Winston Churchill once said, “Democracy is the worst form of government, except all the others that have been tried”. I think Winston and I are on the same wavelength.

Abbott and Gillard: New questions for old sparring partners

The more I think about it, the less I care about politics, mainly because of all the distractions, stunts, negativity and opportunism that gets in the way of how the system is supposed to work, preventing our elected representatives from effectively governing the country.

MPs trade their personal beliefs for the party line, governments are hesitant to green-light projects that will only show results past their term, and election promises are forgotten without consequence. In the political world, style trumps substance at every opportunity as candidates prioritise being seen participating in ironman events over providing meaningful political input. Then they get attacked for it, and the cycle starts again.

I could go on providing examples of why I believe that investing any time or effort into following or contributing to the process is a pointless exercise.

My increasing indifference regarding politics worries me. I’m talking about shrugging my shoulders at the governing of our country, the very fabric of our society. How can I not care? What class of gormless fool does that make me?

As I moped about my day, head lowered in the shame of political apathy, I noticed that I had trodden in dog poo, which was now stuck to the bottom of my shoe. It was at that moment that I was inspired to call on none other than our politicians themselves, and charge them with reigniting my passion for politics.

I proposed an epic challenge between classic media sparring partners, Tony Abbott and Julia Gillard. I would pose the same series of questions to each, with their answers having the potential to warm the tepid cockles of my political heart and re-engage me.

Both parties agreed to the terms. I would reproduce the questions and each of their unedited responses here on The Punch. I would then provide my take on which politician’s answers inspire the greatest faith in our political system.

More importantly, the readers of The Punch would be given the opportunity to evaluate the two sets of responses for themselves and through commenting on the article, pass their own judgements.

Below are the six questions and the responses of both Abbott and Gillard. My own take on their answers follows, but please, offer your own opinion on their performance by placing a comment.

1. What is the best thing and the worst thing about the current political system in Australia?

Julia
I like our system of compulsory voting because it means we as politicians have to be representative of all Australians – not just pockets of interest groups.

I also like the way the Senate is set up to be a constructive House of review.  However, controlled as it is at the moment by the Coalition, it has become a house of obstruction and a vehicle for the Liberal Party’s policy of “just saying no” without offering any viable alternatives, at the expense of much needed reform.

Tony
The best thing about our political system is that it hasn’t impeded our being one of the best places in the world to live. The fact that we are not a banana republic and are unlikely ever to become one suggests that our system of government and those working in it have done something right.  The worst thing about our political system is that it’s shunned by many people with a contribution to make because they don’t think they could bear the character assassination and invasions of privacy that seem to be part and parcel of political life.

2. What is your perspective on MP’s trade off between representing their genuine individual beliefs and ‘towing the party line’?

Julia
MPs’ individual perspectives are rightly thrashed out in caucus and in Cabinet. But you can’t just have meetings and discussions with no purpose – you need to come to some kind of an agreement and plan for the future of Australia.  That’s why we present a united front.

Tony
I’ve never had a problem with ‘towing the line’ and ‘being myself’. Liberal MPs are permitted, if they feel strongly enough, respectfully to dissent from the ‘party line’. In my case, I think that I’ve always been able to say what I think is necessary without causing the party too much angst.

3. How important is honesty in politics, and how important do you think it should be?

Julia
I am serving as Deputy Prime Minister at the behest of the Australian people.  If they can’t trust me to be honest, I don’t deserve to be here.

Tony
MPs shouldn’t tell lies. That said, they don’t have to spill their guts in response to questions that people have no right to ask.

4. How important are personality and image in politics, and how important do you think they should be?

Julia
Personality is inevitably important in decision making.  You’ve got to be tough and decisive, but you’ve got to be willing to compromise too.  Image is not something I think about – what I am concerned about is trying to do the best job I can as Minister for Education, Employment and Workplace Relations and Social Inclusion.

Tony
Inevitably, personality and image matter in politics. It would be odd if voters didn’t warm to personality as well as to character. In the end, though, politicians are judged on their performance which is as it should be.

5. If your party is elected in 2010, will you keep the promises that you make in the election campaign and given the historically low rate of elected political parties keeping their election promises, why should I believe you?

Julia
Australians understandably felt cynical about the core and non-core promises of the Liberal Party.  We have taken a different approach of always striving to deliver our promises and keep our word and I would back my record for keeping election promises over anyone in the Liberal Party any day.

Tony
It would certainly be my intention to keep promises. The best way to do so is to avoid making promises that are over-ambitious or impractical. Keeping promises sensible and achievable is most likely to engender confidence that they will be delivered.

6. Given the issues raised by the previous questions and all the other inefficiencies in the political system (tendency to govern only for benefits during terms, deal making between parties regarding legislation), why should I care?

Julia
I can understand that some people might be sceptical about some politicians’ motivations or be turned off by the adversarial nature of politics, but the question to me is do you want to be engaged in the big debates that will shape our future, or don’t you? Do you want to be engaged in a debate about our health and hospital system in the face of an ageing population, or don’t you? Do you want to be engaged in a debate about how to make a difference for the nation’s most disadvantaged kids and provide them with a world-class education, or don’t you?  It’s that simple.

Tony
People should care about who is running the country because it does make a difference. As Paul Keating once said, when you change the government you change the country. People expecting that politicians will be perfect are bound to be disappointed. That doesn’t mean, though, that they should be indifferent to who is elected or equally scathing about everyone.

The Verdict
Could you give me a moment while I compose myself? I don’t know about you, but all this spin has made me dizzy.

For me, I’ll call it a tie. It’s more polite than saying both politicians lost. I certainly don’t feel inspired, in fact I feel that my apathy has been validated.

I’d like to offer a big “well done” to Julia for starting the challenge in spectacular politician style by only answering half of the first question. While she was happy to name compulsory voting as the best aspect of our political system (the fact that people like myself, who are more likely to turn up and draw a pair of boobies on the ballot sheet than vote sensibly, are forced to make the journey to the nearest polling booth to go through the motions is indeed cracking), she failed to name what she believes is the worst. I suppose having an eternal optimist in Canberra might have its benefits.

Regarding the “toeing the party line issue”, I think Julia’s response more honestly reflects the reality of the situation. I doubt that the freedom that Tony alleges Liberal MPs enjoy to defy their party would be unlimited if they want a future in the party, no matter how “respectfully” they go about it.

I find it ironic that Julia followed up “if they can’t trust me to be honest, I don’t deserve to be here”, with “image is not something I think about”. Come on Julia, you are a politician, image is important and if it wasn’t something you and your team prioritised, you wouldn’t be as successful as you are.

Kudos to Tony for quoting a Labor PM, which I thought was the cleverest move from either of the pair in answering these questions. While I’m complaining about inefficiencies created by the party system, Tony is positioning himself as being above it, by quoting Paul Keating.

I would have bought it if he quoted Rudd.

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    • John A Neve says:

      06:12am | 01/04/10

      How right you are.

    • H of SA says:

      12:18pm | 01/04/10

      Wow those repsonses from both were pretty underwhelming.

    • Luke says:

      06:35am | 01/04/10

      Rudd and crew like to point out Abbott’s negativity to their Government, but I notice he wasn’t negative or even mention the Labor Party or his Opposition in a negative way but Gillard did this
      “.However, controlled as it is at the moment by the Coalition, it has become a house of obstruction and a vehicle for the Liberal Party’s policy of “just saying no” without offering any viable alternatives, at the expense of much needed reform.”
      “Australians understandably felt cynical about the core and non-core promises of the Liberal Party”

    • Adam Diver says:

      06:55am | 01/04/10

      I agree I think Tony took this one ironically by not being the cynical, negative opposition he usually is.

      Biggest dissapointed was Gillad saying she does not think about image- oh please there foes question 3 out the window

    • Edward says:

      08:02am | 01/04/10

      That was going to be my comment!  Abbott quotes a labor PM and tries to be above the bickering.  Julia just keeps trying to go there.

    • Maree says:

      09:21am | 01/04/10

      Adam Diver: Agree, Gillard has “boofed up” recentley. She is definately aware of her image. I do not blame her. Politics is about image. I just wish sometimes a bit of honesty and substance in politics would be nice. A rare commodity !!

    • Jason says:

      04:33pm | 01/04/10

      I agree - the first thing I noticed in the answers is that Julia took any opportunity she could to badmouth the Liberal party, whereas Tony answered the questions without needing to do this.  But then, this is no different to most discussions on The Punch where ALP supporters continually divert attention away from themselves towards the opposition, as though only the Libs need to be accountable.  One day we will be able to discuss Kevin Rudd’s government without referring to John Howard (he was sacked years ago now)

    • Mr Pastry says:

      07:16am | 01/04/10

      Policies are just pre-election promises, to be forgotten and sidelined while enjoying the trappings of power.  The priority is always, trying to get ones face into the history books, the real reason for entering politics and not the laughable idea of serving the community.  Apathy is the tool of the modern politician - if they hang around long enough we will get so annoyed with the encumbent we will have no choice but to vote them in.  Fortunately history remembers the great, not politicians.

    • BigBob says:

      07:59am | 01/04/10

      Miz Gillard does not need the acting lessons Tony Abbott is reported to be getting. Labor is disciplined and focused, whilst Mr Abbott remains without policy and agressive. Acting lessons will not change the aggressive person he really is nor will it give him policy. It will just make him look more false than he already does. We can only hope this is an April Fools Day joke or the joke will be on us

    • Luke says:

      09:47am | 01/04/10

      He isn’t going to have acting lessons. Labor must of thought they had something here. Happy April fools day Labor and media.

    • Bruce says:

      09:46am | 01/04/10

      BigBob: You may find that just about all politicians actually get coached in presentation style (acting) through one course or another. I think you will find there will be not much finger pointing from either side of politics on this issue. Only the media will jump on this issue selectively !!

    • Paul says:

      10:13am | 01/04/10

      Labor is disciplined and focused.  You are talking about the Australian Labor Government aren’t you?  You must be one of them because only an insider could be that wilfully blind.

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      02:07pm | 01/04/10

      BigBob :  The Labor disciplinarian needs a little discipline if you believe your spin Bob.  The foil insulation fiasco and the school halls ripoff tell a differrent story to yours. Rudd’s tendency to treat his staff like
      @#%* shows a lack of those qualities as well. Maybe the April Fools Day joke is on Labor after all.

    • Sue says:

      07:57am | 01/04/10

      Scott - I go for Julia Gillard and believe her answer re ‘image’.

      If Julia thought about her image more than her job she would look like Julie and Bronwyn Bishop for starters.  She would have immaculate makeup at every moment of the day with not a hair out of place.  The perfect Stepford look would be seen each and every day.

      The image she creates of being a hardworker, delivering on her policies and believing in having a go for the future (not just the 3 years of the election cycle) seems the one she needs.

      Tony worries about his image constantly - hence the lycra, etc.

      I think I’ve seen the real politician and it turned out to be a female.

    • Adam Diver says:

      08:57am | 01/04/10

      I like Gillard despite the BER fiasco, she seems to be fairly competent which is a huge compliment for a politician. Perhaps she doesn’t dress herself up nicely but if I had a penny for every time I see see her with a Hi-Vis Vest and a hard-hat on I would be very wealthy indeed.

    • Andrew says:

      09:50am | 01/04/10

      What BS Sue, Have a look at a picture of Gillard 3 years ago compared to one of her today. Toned down the ‘mad” looking bright red hair for one. Also note she has had voice training as she is less harsh in her delivery and her cadence is less rigorous. She has had a complete makeover.

      BTW every riding enthusiast wears lycra. Just go out and have a look. I suppose they must all be worried about image.

      Gillard sounded like a broken record here. Didn’t want to point to her own convictions or achievements just had a go at the Liberal party every chance she got. Krudds one termers are running scared.

    • SA surfer says:

      02:34am | 05/04/10

      Ha yeah because lycra is certaintly going to rocket his image sky high, he must have thought ” i know what’ll be cool for my image… lycra!”
      Lycra isn’t even cool for lance armstrong.
      The mans just going for a bike ride do you want him to wear a tutu.

    • Edward James says:

      08:04am | 01/04/10

      Caucusing is a bone of contention. Julia first translates; telling readers your question about genuine individual beliefs is the same as.  MPs’ individual perspectives are rightly thrashed out in caucus and in Cabinet. I read rewording of the question and then her response as a none too subtle example of her contempt for the democratic process. Thinking voters do vote for individual politicians who show signs of possessing their own backbone. We are after all voting to influence the way our government works for us. Caucusing is a behind closed doors process where individual politicians have their backbones removed. In fact caucusing is a form of cloning the party line, the party is interfering with our expectation that our representative he or she will exercise their influence in the best interest of us their constituents. A politician’s personal value’s can affect party politics like a dose of really bad political flue.  Liberal MPs are permitted to dissent and so a Labor MPs Tony. But when that dissent interferes with the parties “united front”  see what happens!  I advocate politician’s genuine individual beliefs as the basic substance of what we are voting for in a representative.  I have already had an adverse affect on several political careers by exposing their personal values and asking voters to consider those personal values above all else. Lying politicians are not an acceptable part of politics I will not put up with it and I despise others including politicians who do! Edward James

    • persephone says:

      07:58am | 01/04/10

      But haven’t you fallen into the trap of believing that democracy is about the leaders?

      You can’t be a constituent of both Julia’s and Tony’s - and are probably not a constituent of either. Thus neither of them represent you.

      It might have been more interesting and relevant for you to pose the same questions to a couple of the people you actually might get to vote for, your local candidates.

    • Adam Diver says:

      08:53am | 01/04/10

      Haven’t you fallen into the trap of living in La-La land? In theory its about local representation but my Local MP does not decide how much tax I pay, how much funding my local hospital gets or whether or not we should go to war for example. Perhaps they can lobby for one thing or another but they wield no real power.

    • persephone says:

      10:00am | 01/04/10

      Yes, Adam, but the central point of this piece is that the writer is trying to find a way to connect with politics.

      I’m suggesting that, by looking at leaders, he’s doomed to failure, because he’s looking in the same place he’s always looked to and obviously won’t find anything new there.

      You and I obviously find politics fascinating and remain engaged. The writer doesn’t and isn’t, and I’m just pointing out that he’s not going to find anything new or exciting in the approach he’s taking.

      If you really really wanted to ‘change’ politics, you’d look at candidates, not parties, and go for the person you thought would best represent you, which after all was the intention of our founding fathers.

      And if we all did that, the local candidate would become much more important in the scheme of things, and neither party could foist no hopers upon us, secure in the knowledge that everyone will vote for the label.

      I agree it’s not going to happen and that, in our present scheme of things, the candidate is often a mere cipher.

      I just question whether we have to accept that.

    • Mark says:

      10:20am | 01/04/10

      Unfortunately the average punter would not know/care who their local MP was I warrant. No proof. Just a hunch.

      The whole article was a snore fest anyway. I mean look at the questions. Clche crap.

      Scott complained about apathy relating to pollies then asks them question so banal the mind boggles.

      Anyway he said boobies.

      That was awesome.

    • persephone says:

      11:37am | 01/04/10

      Have to agree, Mark (except the boobies bit didn’t excite me much).

      Ask banal questions, get banal answers, come to banal conclusion.

    • demeter says:

      12:46pm | 01/04/10

      good point, I agree

    • persephone says:

      01:43pm | 01/04/10

      Mum! Where’ve you been?

    • Anna says:

      08:52pm | 01/04/10

      @peresphone is that what caused your banal comments?

    • Karen M says:

      08:45am | 01/04/10

      I always get the impression Julia works so hard she actually forgets to worry about her looks, thats something I can relate to. Shes an attractive woman ,but we did not elect her to be Miss Australia. Julia was elected for her ability. Mr Abbott on the other hand is on display constantly, he’s more feminine than many hard working females today and I get the impression a mirror is never far from hand with him. He really needs to put more effort into his policy and issues concerning Australia. His agression needs to be curbed, hes a live wire waitng to ignite. My personal opinion is that Mr Abbott would be more like a dictator than the the Leader of a Democracy

    • Mark says:

      08:59am | 01/04/10

      Hahahahahahaaha.

      Funniest piece of spin I have heard all year.

      Bruhahahahahahaahahahaha

      That was awesome. What else have you got?

      Omg I can’t stop laughing. Please give me more. Thus is too good to be true. Lawl.

    • Andrew says:

      09:51am | 01/04/10

      What the???

      So Julia is a hard working woman with no time to take care of her image even though as you say “shes an attractive woman” (nice touch by the way) but Tony is a prima donna. I’m sure his old rugby and boxing opponents would love to hear that.

      But best still is your leap from self love to dictatorship.

      Give us all some of what your smoking.

    • Ryan says:

      11:08am | 01/04/10

      You do know what a “Julia Gillard” is in reference to in the country don’t you? When someone tells you a place is a “Julia Gillard” it means its dry, rough, red and barren.

    • Adam Diver says:

      02:01pm | 01/04/10

      @ Ryan

      Thats a harsh, harsh joke but on the other hand it made me laugh and “its funny cause its true”

    • dale says:

      08:44am | 01/04/10

      3. How important is honesty in politics, and how important do you think it should be?

      OK now this question is worded wrong is should be more about answering questions with a strait answer of fulfilling election promises.

    • biff says:

      09:03am | 01/04/10

      How interesting to see our politicians call on professionals of the theatre for assistance. First it was the Bird of Paradox seeking voice lessons. After several intense sessions it’s almost possible to understand her. Now we learn that Tony is seeking the help of a professional to knock off the rough edges and take the harshness out of his mannerisms. Could it be that life on the stage and life in parliament are indistinguishable?

    • Mark says:

      09:09am | 01/04/10

      Yes.

      If you are really good at one though you paid huge amounts of cash and your opinions on everything are sought after and desired.

      Over to you to guess which that is.

    • Nigel Catchlove says:

      09:19am | 01/04/10

      No Biff, life on stage and life in parliament are easily distinguished but a spectator is a spectator no matter what they’re looking at.  I’m heatened by the example that is being set by our politicians in terms of life-long learning and constant self improvement.  I think that Abbott is doing the right thing and I never thought I would say it, but so is Gillard.

    • biff says:

      10:41am | 01/04/10

      Gee Mark, you’re making it tough. Got a clue for me?

      It’s been a few years since any politician sought professional help. The last occasion I can recall was when 4 teams of highly skilled surgeons performed a personality bypass on Paul Keating. It was a 14 hour operation and hailed as a medical breakthrough.

      These days they rely on B-grade actors to coach them.

    • acker says:

      09:42am | 01/04/10

      re: compulsory voting ....working in a polling location I have never seen anyone while vote counting bring to the team leaders attention a ballot paper with boobs drawn on it. Hope you havent been sucked in by some tall stories from your drinking buddies.

    • Peter says:

      10:11am | 01/04/10

      I want a “one party” system where electorates choose their own independant representatives. No party interests, just people trying to do good for their country. I want to see a complete overhaul of our political system. The problem is, if we ever had an opposition (whether labour or liberal) who worked constructively with the government of the day, we would never see a change of government. These guys will just keep playing games until they get themselves in power. I sure we can do things better and more efficiently with some restructuring…

    • isaac says:

      02:49am | 05/04/10

      First of all there is no such thing in our constitution that even mentions parties so this overhaul is not required. It is just convention that created the party system and it would happen again. There are always going to be like minded people who have similar policies and find it more convenient to converge into a party. Would you rather two parties thinking different things or a room full of people in this one party of yours all screaming at each other. PS’ one party’ system, thats known as an illiberal democracy, where are the checks and balances mate. Secondly if you look on the Senate website, or elsewhere if you had the capability of research you would find that over 200 bills a year are passed which suggests to me that government is working relatively constructively with each other.

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      10:27am | 01/04/10

      What an idiotic remark from Tony Abbott. “The fact that we are not a banana republic and are unlikely ever to become one suggests that our system of government and those working in it have done something right. ” Anyone who knows something of history knows that you can become a banana republic quite quickly in today’s globalized society. Even the strongest economies are not immune. Just take a look at the financial problems in Japan, U.S and Europe. Political structure does not equate to economic strength.

    • Henry says:

      12:24pm | 01/04/10

      Are you saying that Japan, the US or European countries are Banana republics? 

      Abbott is referring to the Westminster system.  The strongest system of government there is.  Look at the Socialist systems in Europe re: Greece, Spain and Portugal - there you have your potential (and current) nana repubs).

      The Westminster system allowed Australia to avoid being a banana republic in 1975, when its safety valve had the incompetent Whitlam sacked.  Without this system we would all now be weaving baskets or pulling plows as the whores of Asia.

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      01:05pm | 01/04/10

      Actually the strongest system is whatever hybrid system that passes for the Chinese political system. And the Westminster system didn’t prevent the United Kingdom from getting into financial difficulties. Not sure whether Ireland has a Westminster system or not. Australia has been lucky to have quite a bit of mineral resources, but to suggest that our prosperity has come from our system of government or the politicians within it is absurd.

    • Wirewolf says:

      01:09pm | 01/04/10

      @Henry: Did you not follow the Stern Hu case? We already are the whores of Asia! We decided as a nation to lie back and sell our “assets” to Asia years ago. Pretty soon, we will abandon our traditional ties to England and the US and officially become a client state of China, thus dispensing with all pretenses to independence (not to mention credibility).

    • Saskia says:

      02:22pm | 01/04/10

      “to suggest that our prosperity has come from our system of government or the politicians within it is absurd”

      You are hilarious.

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      09:47pm | 01/04/10

      @Saskia- yeah right we export westminster democracy and politicians. (actually I wish we could export our politicians). Cold Hard Cash. Where does it come from? China mainly. No, you and your Liberal idiots (as well as the Labor clowns in power) are hilarious.

    • Glen says:

      10:35am | 01/04/10

      “I’d like to offer a big “well done” to Julia for starting the challenge in spectacular politician style by only answering half of the first question.”

      Umm

      “However, controlled as it is at the moment by the Coalition, it has become a house of obstruction and a vehicle for the Liberal Party’s policy of “just saying no” without offering any viable alternatives, at the expense of much needed reform.”

      I would’ve thought that was a pretty obvious answer to the second part of that question.  Whether it’s a good answer is another debate.

    • Saskia says:

      10:43am | 01/04/10

      I thought both responses were reasonable and I would note that Gillard stated that she like compulsory voting which I think should be scrapped, and Abbott highlighted that the Liberals are able to be more individual in beliefs which is a plus rather than the pressure on ALP members to tow the Union line.

      I think the problem is people like you Scott MacKillop.  You are just an apathetic person by nature.  Jaded and cynical and probably impossible to inspire with real words.  A rolled-gold example of why Australia should join the rest of the Western world and have voluntary voting to avoid donkey votes from those not engaged or interested in the practical running of the nations administration.

    • Andrew says:

      11:25am | 01/04/10

      If you scrapped compulsory voting Labo would never win another election. They know it and that’s why they support compulsory voting.

    • Saskia says:

      11:32am | 01/04/10

      Exactly Andrew.

      Dumbed down electoral rules are the only things that keep the ALP in power.  If we had voluntary voting Australia would have had hardly any ALP governments ever.

      The electoral boundaries need looking at too.  SA has had numerous elections over recent years where despite having higher 2PP they have lost.

      A total joke.

    • Wirewolf says:

      01:18pm | 01/04/10

      I’m curious. Do you think that having one party is power forever would be healthy for a society? I don’t. I think that we need periodic changes of government (even if they are worse in the short term) to stir things up and cause people to think about issues of governance. A country in which one party dominates in perpetuity (even if it is elected) becomes a dictatorship, because those in power cease to be accountable, as they know they will be re-elected no matter how badly they do. Political competition and rivalry, as tiresome as it often is, is vital to the maintenance of meaningful democracy. If anything, we should be wishing for the domination of the Labour and Liberal/National parties to be diluted and for new parties to emerge that represent a more diverse array of opinions. Democracy means canvassing and being open to a diverse array of points of view. A country dominated by one party will not be open to diverse viewpoints.

    • Margaret says:

      11:43am | 01/04/10

      The first thing is that Julia is not Deputy Prime Minister ” at the behest of the Australian people”. She was givern the job by her party.

      Secondly, I don’t know how to say this, but I agree with Persephone. Having been politically active for a great many years I have come to the conclusion that most people vote the party not the person.  When they get to the polling booth on election day, there is rarley a picture of the candidate but always one of the leader of the party. Unfortunately for today’s voter the differences between the major parties is no longer as clear cut as they used to be.

    • casba says:

      12:09pm | 01/04/10

      Julia doesn’t care about her image??? Give me a break!  Obviously you have forgotten what she, and Krudd, both looked like before they won office in 2007! Both have had huge makeovers, and Julia has also received some much needed instruction on that voice and its strident pronounciation problems-thankfully! She has been welll and truly “softened” in more ways than one! You only have to look at well documented photos of Krudd from his “Doctor Death” days as the Goss senior advisor to know that he has upped his image.  But $1000:00 suits don’t maketh the man and a softer feminine image doesn’t fool most of the people either. It’s all just another facet of the Labor Spin Machine in action.

    • casba says:

      12:24pm | 01/04/10

      @Margaret.
      You agree with Persephone?  What are you?  Another apparatchik of the Labor Party, just like Persephone obviously is?

    • Lee from WA says:

      12:24pm | 01/04/10

      What is the most annoying thing is Scott’s unrepentant cynicism. I can’t stand people who cannot be dissuaded from being totally pessimistic and cynical about politics. There was some honesty in some of the comments made by Gillard and Abbott and yet Scott deals up nothing but whinging.

      Go somewhere else if you find voting a burden Scott. For all the flaws of our political system, it is a hundred times better than almost anywhere else now or in history. Dissidents in China or Iran would do anything to have a system with our flaws rather than theirs.

    • Willy K says:

      12:58pm | 01/04/10

      Agree.  Very bored with the world-weary young cynics who moan about our pollies, system, they are all the same blah blah blah.  From my experience 99% of them still vote Labor/(Green) despite being ‘neutral’.

      Tell us what you want Scott.  Tell us what you can do for the country and what you think should be done.  Standing there with your hand out saying ‘inspire’ me is sad.  And if you are not interested at all then please don’t vote at all.  Just do something.

    • Wirewolf says:

      01:35pm | 01/04/10

      The comparison to China in no way invalidates Scott’s point that our political caste are (to quote Obi Wan Kenobi)  “a wretched hive of scum and villainy”. Just as a corpse attracts flies; politics attracts narcissists, sociopaths, and sundry other psychological misfits all hell bent of climbing to the top of the greasy pole over the (aforementioned) dead bodies of their constituents (and anyone else that gets in the way). If we hold our political leaders in contempt, it is only because their conduct is deserving of it.
      The suggestion that because our system is superior to that of Iran or China we should look upon our leaders with unstinting admiration is laughable, and contrary to the very principles of democracy (that leaders should be judged by the people who they represent). Rather than accepting their profound mediocrity, we should be demanding that they do better than they have up until now. The real problem is that the only people who want positions of political power and authority are the ones that cannot be trusted with them, so we remain stuck with the atrocious mob we’ve got.

    • isaac says:

      02:48am | 05/04/10

      Well said Lee. I think its just easy for people to be cynics because then they never have to come up with an original thought ever again, they just plod along bagging everyone in their path.

    • dancan says:

      12:53pm | 01/04/10

      To survive in politics a person is required to have all the personal traits that no normal individual would want.  It creates a person who you’d never want running a country or even be friends with but they’re the only ones who would want to do it.

      As the saying goes.  The biggest problem with politics is all the politicians

      Note:  I’m personally so tired of listening to a politician that I didn’t even read Abbott and Gillard’s responses before I wrote this.  I wonder now as I go back to read, will I be surprised or will I merely see the sound bite.

    • Shelley says:

      01:10pm | 01/04/10

      The party knocking negativity at every opportunity has the Deputy come out first question with a negative punch at the alternative party. That’s what’s off-putting about politicians. I know the history re: Keating and banana republic. Abbotts praise for all politicians while popping in that reference was clever without being so clumsily negative.
      I agree. The questions were fairly benign. After reading the response to the first question I was in a negative frame of mind and not inclined to favour either.  By the time I’d read Gillards answer for 6 I was asking myself what the question was again. I judged Addott to answer honestly in the main while Gillard was giving a great display of that party unity she was praising.
      Image is not something I think about ? Please! Why the glossy photo shoot and makeover if image is not important? That’s the answer given by a not so honest politician.

    • Angie says:

      01:12pm | 01/04/10

      If compulsory voting were abolished, the ALP would never be in Government. The fact that all people in Oz have to vote (or get fined) means that the ALP can simply pay off voters to come to their side ($900 cheques anyone?) The typical demographic of Liberal voters is working, tax paying, family types who obey the law and do not get involved in criminal activities. The average Labor voter is the sum of the rest.

    • Jane says:

      01:22pm | 01/04/10

      I think his unreprentant cynicism is entertaining and just the approach this topic needs.

    • Mr Subramanian says:

      01:44pm | 01/04/10

      A bit disappointed that it was only the deputy PM you asked, instead of the PM himself; you did get the Leader of the Opposition, after all.

      Was very disappointed in Gillard’s partisan answers. Abbott’s done well in his responses, I think - too bad that the evidence of his party’s past behaviour disagrees with the things he says.

      To me, that’s the whole point - these folks can say whatever they want, it’s what they actually do when in power that matters. Can they actually make a decision that we can tell won’t help them at the impending election, but is better for us long term? Can they listen genuinely to the other side’s ideas and accept what’s good - and any justifiable criticism - and move on?

    • Yas says:

      02:15pm | 01/04/10

      you know, this is really one of those articles that is not so much a waste of space as it is a wasted opportunity. You had access to two key figures of our political landscape, and a qualified and hopefully well informed and slightly educated and intelligent person, you cam up with the following as potential sources of inspiring your dormant ability to “give a crap”:

      1. Are politician liars, and do you lie/ why should i trust you? (gees, i’m surprised neither one turned around and answered “i won’t dignify that with an answer”) 

      2. as products of the system that put you in positions of influence and power, please, will you tell us what’s wrong with the system? (what did you expect? “what i think is wrong with the system is that people like me end up running the country, and people like you forget what the right to vote means and end up wasting everyone’s time by drawing boobs on ballot papers”

      3. how important is “toeing the line” ? (the idea that we even speculate this is mind boggling. Turnbull or Latham. That is the answer. no more cyber space should be dedicated to stating the obvious).

      4. does how you look and what you wear or say affect you and you political standing? (again, what is this? did you really think Jules would say “clearly as a red head so high up in politics i’m demonstrating it was my strength of character ... blah blah” or Tony “well, my physical defect of having abnormally large ears and shifty eyes have not stopped me, so that shows that Australians don’t really care about the exterior”  , budgie smugglers, and empty fruit bowls in your headlines anyone??)

      if you life is as empty and monotonous as you claim, to the point where you have lost your ability to care about the rights and freedoms you make no effort to keep or enjoy; just get therapy. stop wasting our time with dribbles of infective minutia.

    • Anna says:

      08:57pm | 01/04/10

      @Yas i dont think the idea was to make a great bit of political journalism. I would imagine that it was to throw in the stimulus and see how the sharks respons. Its all for fun. This is obviously writiten or a laugh and the fact the article drags them along is funny.and clever i think. Lighten up its a long weekend.

    • freeman says:

      04:26pm | 01/04/10

      Yeah Scott, but politicians don’t deserve all the blame here. 
      unfortunatley in politics you can’t say what you think or the media will jump on it and misrepresent it. ( best example was Tony abbot being honest about his position on homosexuals and the media reporting just a few words of what he said to put it in the worst possible light) . any fair/detailed critisism they give gets altered into a 5 second sound grab or 5 word headline.  the only thing the public and media respond to is exagerated hysteria and scare mongering. there’s little room now for detailed, even debate. it’s all just catchphrases. “climate con job” “great big new tax”
      more than anything its the voting publics fault for not educating themselves in politics and our inability to spot a phoney, (2007 being the best example)

    • acotrel says:

      05:41pm | 01/04/10

      It looks as though the Liberal Party is no longer the champion of Australian businesses. One can only infer from their attacks on the Rudd government over it’s ‘lack of control’ in it’s stimulus programmes, that they believe our businesses need much stronger REGULATION!

    • Amy Brunner says:

      03:35pm | 02/04/10

      Scott, you make the statement/comment ~ “governments are hesitant to green-light projects that will only show results past their term”

      You are, I believe a little out of date ~ have you not noticed that as of late, the Labor Premier of Queensland comes out quite consistently with plans and announcements for projects that won’t start for at least three years into the future and will take up to six years to complete ~ the underlying “message” is that firstly you will have to vote for Labor again, firstly to get the project started and secondly for an ensuing term after that to get the project finished.

      The great Health Reform that Kevin Rudd is flagging now is not going to come to commencement till after the next Federal Election.

      A number one fact being that he campaigned on his fixing the Health system at the last election.

      A number two fact is that he now does even by his own plan not intending to do anything till after the next election.

      Maybe not a fact, but certainly a grave suspicion is that this scheme is not so much a Health System Reform as an accounting exercise.

    • Front Row says:

      06:09pm | 03/04/10

      For God’s sake.  Before we do a joint, random, critique on politicians who might “get things wrong”, can we just get the bloody spelling right? Don’t you employ any grown-up subs?

 

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