Ordinarily the first parliamentary sitting week for a new opposition leader is a chance to redefine themselves, introduce new ideas to the public, perhaps break the shackles of received wisdom about their view of the world.

Words our respondents used, without prompting, to describe Tony Abbott, sized by frequency. Word arrangment: wordle.net

But like John Howard when took the Liberal leadership (again) in 1995, Tony Abbott makes his first parliamentary charge as Opposition Leader this week as a relatively well-known political quantity. So do the cliches about him match the perceptions of people in the street? Being the new leader, and seeing as we did the same number on the Prime Minister and Malcolm Turnbull last year, we decided to ask people some simple questions about what they thought of the Member for Warringah.

So was there a surprise, like in the Rudd survey when people said they perceived the Prime Minister as somehow physically small? Nup; respondents described Abbott almost as a caricature of how he’s caricatured: a straight-talking conservative bruiser, hated by some for his views on social issues, known for them by all.

(If only conventional wisdom was always as accurate as the cliches pinned on Tony Abbott by both sides of politics, there’d be little need for market research companies, pollsters, maybe even opinion websites.)

The graphic above summarises the responses we got last week when people were asked to describe Abbott in three words. Without any prompting, in 82 responses the word “conservative” came up 20 times. People also frequently associate the words strong, honest, religious and misogynist with him.

As a reflection of what people know about an MP’s political principles, the contrast with the Prime Minister couldn’t be more stark. When we conducted the same exercise asking people about Rudd there was a range of comments about his intelligence and handling of the economy but few pointed to core political principles.

While people tended to point to the Prime Minister’s personality traits as talking points, the Abbott responses were full of references to his beliefs. Some liked them, some didn’t.

Encouragingly for Abbott, when people do talk about his personality many Labor supporters see something to like in the guy. Steve, 46, from Mount Druitt, said he “appears honest” and described him as “mature” and “different”. Paul, 43, from Breakfast Point, said Abbott was “straightforward and sensible” and described him as “smart and unassuming”. Both would have voted Labor in an election at the weekend.

A repeated complaint that respondents raised - again, totally unprompted - was a belief that Abbott mixes religion and politics in a way people disapprove of. This was raised by Liberal supporter Matt, 38, from Pyrmont – who clearly had a general approval for Abbott when he described him as “outspoken, smart” and “a head-kicker”.

Matt’s view neatly encapsulates the overall findings of the survey - that Abbott is a strong character and forthright in expressing his views, but there are reservations about the depth of his convictions on certain issues. This contrasts with his opponent Kevin Rudd, who our survey last year found was broadly seen as intelligent and doing well on the economy, but few cared much for his quote-unquote politics.

Given Rudd’s approval ratings this does raise a question of whether the politics of politics are bad for leaders. Who cares about underlying political philosophy and things like principles (take, oh, economic conservatism) when people want government to get on with governing?

The survey was taken last week in Sydney over three days. In a week Abbott gave an interview where he almost said women shouldn’t have sex before marriage, perhaps it’s a little unsurprising that his social conservatism would be top of people’s minds.

His views on sex before marriage were specifically raised by 15 people as a negative in our survey. In total 30 people out of the 82 said his views on social issues including gay marriage and abortion were a negative. With the exception of three, these were all committed Labor or Greens voters.

The same number of people (30) mentioned, in some formula, Abbott’s forthright nature as a strength, but these people had a mix of voting preference. Rough translation: people acknowledge Abbott’s straight talk irrespective of how they might vote.

Abbott’s plan as he comes out of the blocks this week was flagged in an email to supporters yesterday with the subject “Parliament is back – and so is Mr Rudd’s big new ETS tax”.

Eight people listed Abbott’s environmental policies among their complaints about him. The number of voters who rated this issue - which won Abbott the leadership - as a strength?

Zero.

Happy new parliamentary calendar year. Should be a dinger.

Punch research journalist Tina Tek contributed to this report.

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    • stephen says:

      05:24am | 01/02/10

      If Tony Abbott denies the reality of man-made climate change, he’s cactus. True and simple.
      Which wouldn’t worry me so much - Labor will win the next election anyway -but I wouldn’t want our Hero getting away with too many more heart-warming media stories outside Churches.

    • Super D says:

      08:24am | 01/02/10

      But man-made climate change isn’t real, or at least is wildly overstated.  I think that pointing this out will gain him more votes than it will lose him.  The Pro-warming rhetoric is quickly being overtaken by events.  How do you think the election will go for the ALP and greens if during the campaign the IPCC head is charged with fraud?

    • Ben says:

      08:45am | 01/02/10

      Quite true Eric, people said the exact same things about Howard during his years as opposition leader and he ended up being PM for 11 years. Whitlam was an equally (if not more) polarising figure. I don’t think that Abbott will win this election, but he may well end up being PM one day in the future. Like Howard he will probably learn to become a little more pragmatic and moderate some of his more ideological standpoints to appeal to a wider spectrum of voters. That said, he will really need to clean up his behaviour a bit if he is ever to be electable. He was a walking disaster for the coalition at the last election.

    • al gore's kool aid says:

      11:17am | 01/02/10

      Just because you pray at climate change alter, don’t assume we all do. Direct against to minimize pollution without bankrupting the county is the only action I will support. Rudd is doing the bidding of international bankers and the UN. I don’t recall that being part of his job description.

    • Doron Katz says:

      11:42am | 01/02/10

      Stephen you re a cactus! Are you a scientist or someone that reads enough to think he knows what climate change is? I suggest your PM debates Lord Mockton if he is to have any credibility instead of declining the invites.

    • BULMKT says:

      01:25pm | 01/02/10

      Re Stephen @ 0624am

      Man Made Climate Change is crap.

      The IPCC and its hoards of AGW alarmists have been hit for 6, seven times. Below lists the seven hits:

      One, Copenhagen failed.
      Two, Climategate exposed the deceit of the IPCC’s top climate scientists.

      Three, Glaciergate exposed the lies that Himalayan Glaciers would all be gone by 2035.

      Four, the Northern hemisphere experienced over the Christmas/New Year holidays record cold and snow falls.

      Five, the IPCC admits there is no link between global warming and extreme weather.
      “We find insufficient evidence to claim a statistical relationship between global temperature increase and catastrophic losses.”  - Muir-Wood’s Paper, after peer review 2008.
      “The Idea that catastrophes are rising in cost because of climate change is completely misleading.” Mr Muir-Wood 25 JAN 2010

      Six, the IPCC have again used unsubstantiated claims – this time claiming that Global Warming might wipe out 40 per cent of the Amazon rainforest.

      Seven and lastly, the world-wide political landscape is changing, just look at the outcome in Massachusetts, USA and look at the growing amount of Australians who now doubt AGW.

      At least Abbott says what he means

    • BrAinOfJ says:

      08:26am | 02/02/10

      All, and i mean ALL the smart, SANE people in this world without an agender believe man made climate change is happening. Just because you dont like it or it doesnt suit you doesnt mean its not happening.
      The only people not supporting the theory are either employed to do so or simply a crackpot who wants their face in the paper and doesnt mind a little damage to their reputation.
      The world aint flat people, just cause you want it to be…
      As for Abbott… his religious leanings worry me. I worry he is out of touch. There are a few other strong candidates for the liberal leadership, so he had better watch himself in my opinion. I wouldnt be suprised if they use him as a tool to close the gap to labour, and then unleash the big guy come election time…

    • Mickey says:

      10:44am | 02/02/10

      BrAinOfJ, what you describe as the “smart people” the rest of us class as mindless sheep, trotting along to the latest fad. And to the non believer, the climate change zealots are far from sane or reasonable.

    • John A Neve says:

      06:05am | 01/02/10

      Tony Abbott is in my view, a good follower, not a leader. Tony bends with the breeze, he lacks, I believe a vision for this country.

      Like them or hate them, good leaders have an aim, a target, a goal for their country, if Tony has one, he has kept it to himselfe. Turnbull had faults, but at least he had a dream.

    • Peter says:

      09:01am | 01/02/10

      He’s just a political opportunist who put his party ahead of the Nation. His “big new tax’ rhetoric is nothing other than a scare campaign that he thinks will spook voters into re-electing the Liberal Party. Nice bloke, but I wouldn’t want him running the country..

    • paul m says:

      12:24pm | 01/02/10

      Australia, like all democracies, has the leadership it deserves.

      Unfortunately, whilst I for one think we a a societty badly need a moral leader like Tony Abbott, I am afraid we deserve a risk-averse technocrat like Rudd.

    • sooz says:

      10:40am | 01/02/10

      “...Abbott gave an interview where he almost said women shouldn’t have sex before marriage..”
      C’mon Colgo, you can do better than that. A pity you didn’t read the AWW article - or did you? Distortion of the truth is commonplace in the MSM but with regards to Abbott and this article in particular, be careful - it may backfire on you.

    • Toddzilla says:

      12:00pm | 01/02/10

      He kept to himself in a secret diary called Battlegrounds that is available in all good bookstores.

    • David says:

      09:32pm | 01/02/10

      Turnbull’s dream was to be prime minister.  I think a better Australia came further down the list for him.  He lost me once he started attacking Mr Rudd about the ute.

      I think Tony Abbott would make a very good prime minister.  He’s certainly made it interesting already.  I don’t think the liberals would have had any chance with Turnbull’s “me too” approach.

    • Liz says:

      06:43am | 01/02/10

      He’s a smart man but not smart man but not smart enough.

    • Richard Tuffin says:

      06:50am | 01/02/10

      I think Tony Abbott’s straight talking compared to Rudd’s continuous sludge filled trail of spin is going to win Abbott a lot of fans.  It won’t be a tip him over the edge at the next election, but it could be enough to cost Rudd control or stronger dominance in the Senate.

    • Got my vote says:

      04:16pm | 01/02/10

      Yes, yes, yes,  Rich.  you’re pretty well on the money son.

    • Richard Tuffin says:

      06:52am | 01/02/10

      And that’s a cool graphic that you’ve used for this article by the way - well done to your designers!

    • iansand says:

      06:53am | 01/02/10

      Abbott polarises.  He is thus unelectable.

    • Jack says:

      08:55am | 01/02/10

      I don’t understand why australians refuse to elect leaders.  a leader is someone who polarises, because he actually does something that may not be popular.  a leader gives direction, even if it means telling young ladies not to mess up their lives.  For some reason, most australians would rather want an idiot like rudd who has no beliefs, and had no personal direction.  Give us real leaders for a change, not puppets who just do the popular thing!

    • Nicholas says:

      10:56am | 01/02/10

      Your comment: Ahh… people won’t vote for him because 1/10 people are gay and he has a problem with that… those 1 / 10 people are the sons, mothers, fathers and children of other voters… he has really just isolated himself…not to mention his comments regarding sex before marriage that imply a woman either must get married, become a nun or a spinster. His ideas are dinasaur like in that they should have become extinct a long time ago…

    • Tash says:

      12:39pm | 01/02/10

      The implication is in your mind only!  Actually read what he has said.  At least someone is standing up for our young women.  After working with youth for a long time and teaching and studying child development etc and having an active interest in physiology - we are doing our children a disservice (both male and female) by pushing sexual boundaries.  Primary school children are talking about having oral sex in the weekend for goodness sakes!  And he was speaking as a father of daughters who wanted a happy life for them.  Science has proven the impact physiologically on a body once a person begins having sex…Adults need to wake up and understand what all the “let’s shag anything walking” is actually doing to their bodies, their emotions and what the effect of taking the “pill” and depo provera on their bodies.  We are all about convenience these days - forget that those pills can aide cancer, that our one-night stand may end up in pregnancy - but that’s ok - there’s always abortion right????

    • Kim says:

      01:24pm | 01/02/10

      That’s funny, it’s Rudd who does door stop interviews outside his church on Sundays, not Abbott. It was Rudd who went to see the Pope. It was Rudd who had photos of himself taken visiting Mary M’s tomb stone before he went to Copenhagen.

    • Nicholas says:

      02:45pm | 01/02/10

      I know Rudd is Christian but at least he respects the secular nature of society and doesn’t force is down our throats like Tony Abbott. Unlike Rudd, Tony Abbott just comes across as a fundamentalist whack who thinks we don’t need to worry about climate change because God will save us…God should be removed from public policy (all due respect). Humans were given brains to help themeselves! Not to sit by idle and await for divine intervention. What a cop out (even if you are a Christian)!

    • Brian B says:

      10:29am | 01/02/10

      If you polarise certain segments of the electorate, you are generally doing something for the good of the country. Mr. Rudd wants to govern ruled on the basis that everyone will agree with him. Pathetic leadership.

    • BULMKT says:

      01:30pm | 01/02/10

      And Rudd doesn’t polarise?

    • John says:

      02:55pm | 01/02/10

      And Rudd doesn’t???

    • persephone says:

      07:31am | 01/02/10

      Agree with the above comments, but would add that TA’s perceived honesty and straightforwardness will take a hit during the election campaign.

      As Opposition Leader, Tony has been remarkably consistent when it comes to taking one position in the morning and then changing his mind by the afternoon.

      Not a big issue during the silly season, when noone’s really focussing, but a fatal flaw during an election campaign.

    • Luke says:

      08:22am | 01/02/10

      Talk about changing their minds -
      Rudd   OCT 2009 - I believe in A Big Australia, about 35 mill sounds about right, and I don’t apologise for that.
      Rudd - JAN 2010 I - don’t have an opinion on a Big Australia.
      Rudd OCT 07 -I will take over public hospitals if their is no improvement by JUNE 09
      FEB 10 - still no decision
      RUDD 07 - I will not means test the helath insurance re bate.
      RUDD 10 -  I plan to means test the helath insurance rebate.
      And I’m sure there are plenty more comparisons that can be made.

    • Don Clark says:

      07:37am | 01/02/10

      Gaaaah. You surveyed how many?  Derisory.

      Still, here’s my three words -
      Belligerent
      Smart-arse
      Opportunist.

    • Eric says:

      07:42am | 01/02/10

      “Abbott polarises.  He is thus unelectable. “

      —And Howard didn’t? Or Whitlam, or Keating?

    • Super D says:

      08:28am | 01/02/10

      Over the christmas break I read Battlelines in an effort to better understand the man who would be Prime Minister.  In his book he presents a rational and consistent though process with a depth of thinking that befits a potential leader of our nation.  I would recommend everyone interested in politics - from either side - reads his book.

      My biggest concern with Abbott is that his constant appearance in Budgie Smugglers will give our Prime Minister body image issues.

    • Gavin says:

      09:53am | 01/02/10

      Consistent? Don’t make me laugh.

      This is the man who trumpeted on the front page of The Australian ‘We must support ETS’ but has since swung to the right of Andrew Bolt on climate change in order to lead his party? A nakedly ambitious and opportunistic politician, just like the rest of them.

      Plus any man who can be goaded by Nicola Roxon into completely losing his cool simply cannot win an election in these risk averse times.

    • Nicole says:

      08:08am | 01/02/10

      Agree with Don Clark. At a sample size of 82 I’m pretty sure your results would not be statistically significant, however much they may appear to conform with already held views about Abbott. I’m also somewhat stunned that only 30/82 thought his views on social issues were negative. So that means 52 people were okay with his anti-gay marriage, anti-abortion stance? Yikes.

    • Michaela says:

      08:16am | 01/02/10

      I like Abbott. He cuts through all the dribble. Kev747 can’t do that. Tony’s a real man because he wears budgies and quite frankly, doesn’t give a damn!

    • Eric says:

      09:10am | 01/02/10

      Paul, when you start believing your own party’s propaganda, you depart from reality - and thus become less effective.

    • Steve of Cornubia says:

      08:17am | 01/02/10

      This is facile and pointless. Rather than invite comments, perhaps we should ask people to state their political preference and we can fill in the rest, i.e. “He’s great” or “He’s horrible” etc?

    • Karen says:

      08:24am | 01/02/10

      Rudd a PHONEY. Unelectable.

    • fluffy says:

      08:25am | 01/02/10

      rudd was elected to get rid of the opposition front bench..( the then government ) why would we want them back again? - we need new people, new ideas. not just john howard v2.0 - besides.. last time they were in, they forced us into a couple illegal wars of aggression, australia can do without idiots like that.

      as soon as i see someone standing for office that looks like they might actually be a leader.. not just a politician, i might even vote.

    • Jason S says:

      08:29am | 01/02/10

      People aren’t going to elect Howard again Eric. Abbott is the echo of his former boss.

    • Nedahl says:

      08:36am | 01/02/10

      I can’t STAND Tony Abbot. I’m in total disbelief that he’s the leader of the Opposition party. How on earth they thought he was a better choice for the country with his ridiculous views on abortion and women in general is beyond me. I hope he goes away. Quickly.

    • kev says:

      09:32am | 01/02/10

      His views on abortion are spot on, someone has to stand up for these murdered children.
      you may find his views on women offensive but that doen’t mean what he says about them or thinks of them is wrong.

    • former labor voter says:

      12:20pm | 01/02/10

      Ummm it’s Kevin Rudd who gives church door step interviews.
      More hypocrisy and double standards ignored by the media.

    • Paul says:

      08:36am | 01/02/10

      @eric I agree that Abbott has Howards callous divide and conquer agenda - an politically effective but unhelpful strategy. The difference with Abbott (and his attack dogs Bronwyn and Sophie) is he will kick societies weakest: welfarers, single parents, boat people, kids/people in need. None of the other leaders you mentioned were that heartless.  My concern is that this distracts Australia from nation building focus. To busy arrogantly talking to listen or see the social realities of Australia. Howard was a good example of this when he *forgot* to plan or build infrastructure or set up the economic system to turbo charge research and development to build a 21st century economy. There is a common theme of narcissism here. Not to mention Abbotts beliefs in Queens and Popes and religious fundamentalism - lecturing women about virginity.  Let’s do the time warp (backwards) again? No Thanks!

    • Corsair says:

      10:42am | 01/02/10

      Again with the “lecturing women about virginity” comment. This has been shown to be not true and was complete spin done by the media. I suggest you do some research before developing an opinion.

    • Paul says:

      08:37am | 01/02/10

      @eric I agree that Abbott has Howards callous divide and conquer agenda - an politically effective but unhelpful strategy. The difference with Abbott (and his attack dogs Bronwyn and Sophie) is he will kick societies weakest: welfarers, single parents, boat people, kids/people in need. None of the other leaders you mentioned were that heartless.  My concern is that this distracts Australia from nation building focus. To busy arrogantly talking to listen or see the social realities of Australia. Howard was a good example of this when he *forgot* to plan or build infrastructure or set up the economic system to turbo charge research and development to build a 21st century economy. There is a common theme of narcissism here. Not to mention Abbotts beliefs in Queens and Popes and religious fundamentalism - lecturing women about virginity.  Let’s do the time warp (backwards) again? No Thanks!

    • Macon Paine says:

      11:50am | 01/02/10

      C’mon Paul in fairness to Howard he did inherit a $96 Billion debt. That could have gone a long way towards planning/building infastructure, eleviate social ills ect, even the diehards like Persephone recognise this was a significant hurdle for Howard and Costello.
      Im interested in your response to this, what about the role of various state governments during the same time period, are they not responsible for planning and building infastructure? Im not defending Howard over his perceived lack of planning on this issue, but again in fairness, the state governments (especially NSW) have a lot to answer for as well and your letting them off the hook. Also what on earth do you mean by “turbo charge reasearch and development”? Is this some new Ruddism like “working families”?

    • Rod says:

      08:41am | 01/02/10

      Abbott became the leader of the Liberal party by the will of the people - a massive campaign against Rudd’s climate change tax. This would be the first time such a thing has happened and since then Abbott is picking up more followers. The Laborites need to be concerned. You can’t do nothing for two years and then roll out a bunch of new policies because you’re spooked. Federal Labor is running the place like NSW State Labor. What an appalling thought.

    • H of SA says:

      08:42am | 01/02/10

      What I like:

      Intelligent
      Self - reflective
      Honest on faith
      Family values

      What I don’t like:

      Not listening to the electorate (retaining as close as possible the same frontbench we booted out in 07)
      Possible Minchin puppet
      Policy weather vane

    • KM says:

      08:43am | 01/02/10

      It depends how you like to be told the truth. Abbot is a strait shooter, someone that tells the truth and does not sugar coat it. Some people cannot handle this. They like to be told the truth with a good dose of spin.
      Were as Rudd’s talk is mealy-mouthed gobbledygook. Rudd is a master evader of the hard questions. He’s all about chocolate cake and ice cream, telling people what they want to here not what they don’t. Rudd will not make a bad announcement. When there’s one to be made. He gets someone else to do his dirty work for him for fear it will damage his popularity.

    • Carl Plamer says:

      11:08am | 01/02/10

      @Peter, I think it was more to do with a “tired” and “boring” JH than anything else. I don’t think the too far left or right had much to do with it.  Out popped KR as a “fresh” alternative that was going to fix everything – do this and that, say this and that and sign this and that.

    • Patrick says:

      08:44am | 01/02/10

      Karen says:

        Rudd a PHONEY. Unelectable.

      Miss the last election did we love?

    • Muzz says:

      08:44am | 01/02/10

      Abbott won’t win the next election, but he did save the Libs from being wiped off the political landscape, which is what most media and journo’s were reporting would happen last year.

    • Carl Palmer says:

      08:45am | 01/02/10

      How interesting - “Eight people listed Abbott’s environmental policies among their complaints about him. The number of voters who rated this issue - which won Abbott the leadership - as a strength?
      Zero.”

      This tells me that they either don’t understand or will financially benefit from this piece of ETS stupidity, no doubt a broad sampling of community views.

      This is scary – “Who cares about underlying political philosophy and things like principles…” I care. I would have thought the direction the country was heading was / is important. Don’t principles, values, beliefs, ideology significantly influence the way we live our lives?

      “Battlelines” does give an insight into the man, for mine TA=substance, KR=“Rudderless”. 

      Agree on one thing, it will be an interesting parliamentary calendar. TA – and his team, will need to step up and really take it to the Govt.

    • Peter says:

      09:54am | 01/02/10

      Interesting. I wonder how a radical move to the right will help a party that was percieved as “too right” anyway and booted out at the last election.

    • H of SA says:

      08:46am | 01/02/10

      Rudd’s a phoney and unelectable or Rudd’s a phoney and Abbott’s unelectable?

    • JH says:

      08:48am | 01/02/10

      You forget that the world did not achieve anything at Copenhagen and the current ETS (dispite talks with the Greens today) is dead. This is because most people now realise that the ‘science’ behind man made climate change is inconclusive.  Rudd has a hard choice, realise that the ETS is dead and move on, or stick with it in an election. If he chooses the later, he will loose.

    • Tropsmurf says:

      08:51am | 01/02/10

      If he can get his message out without the media distortion (eg recent virgin comments) I think he will do quite well. People are getting tired of the spin and are looking for politicians for stand for something (even if they might not agree with everything he says)

    • ELBOWGREASE says:

      08:53am | 01/02/10

      Abbott is dishonest and unreliable. Rudd is just boring.

    • JF says:

      03:42pm | 01/02/10

      Dishonest? Unreliable? How so?

    • Macca says:

      08:56am | 01/02/10

      Compared to Howard who everyone loved? yeah, rethink that one…

    • persephone says:

      08:57am | 01/02/10

      Umm, Karen, don’t know how to say this to you—-

      Rudd WAS elected. Therefore he is not unelectable.

    • Fred says:

      08:58am | 01/02/10

      It would be nice if we could have a leader of a major party who is not a creationist.  Is that too much to ask for?

    • Tropsmurf says:

      10:23am | 01/02/10

      My understanding is that both Abbott and Rudd agree with evolution theory but don’t let facts get in the way of your anti-Christian bigotry

    • Old Clive says:

      09:03am | 01/02/10

      You should know about dreams, you live in them.

    • h says:

      09:08am | 01/02/10

      @karen: we have some bad news for you. Rudd got elected. He runs the country.

    • DDD says:

      09:10am | 01/02/10

      Abbott used to wear buggies, but then his wife told him not to so he doesn’t.
      Abbott used to believe in climate change bu then he saw the chance to win power within his party by back stabbing the leader who took an educated stand on this issue.
      Abbott used to speak his mind, but he now tries to walk the path of being critical of everything the government does, which makes him appear negative and uneducated.
      Not a bad man or politician but not a good leader.  He will be found out by the people and likely face the same fate as the past to leaders of Liberals.

    • can't stand him, will never vote lib while he's in says:

      09:12am | 01/02/10

      I think that sample size was a bit small, but hey.

      I’m amazed that people think Abbott is honest, and even if he is honest what he’s honestly expressing is his bile-filled right-wing hatred of the modern world.

      The man is a total coward, airing a political view about virginity - knowing full well he speaks at all times as the leader of the opposition… then when there was a swing of opinion away from what he ran and hid behind “oh oh oh I was talking privately, family, my own family, not as the leader of the opposition”.

      What a bald faced lying coward. Clearly he’s quite happy to air his stoneage religious views using his political position to be heard. We can expect more of the same from the disgusting prat.

    • AJ says:

      09:40am | 01/02/10

      People defending Tony Abbott’s comments on virginity and sex before marriage are suggesting that he was only saying what advice he’d give to his daughters.  If that was truly the case, the answer that you give to the New Idea (or was it Women’s Weekly, I can never remember) journalist is ‘That’s between me and my daughters’.

      Anything you say in the media when you’re Opposition Leader is AS Opposition Leader.  He would have won my respect (but probably not my vote) if he’d said ‘my family values are for my family’, and it would have helped the perception that he wants to impose his very conservative social agenda upon the rest of us.

      Instead, he put his foot in his mouth.

      And you have to wonder where the Liberals who believe in, you know, actual Liberalism are through this ridiculous process.

    • LOVE THAT COMMENT says:

      04:26pm | 01/02/10

      So that mean you don’t like him, ah?? 
      Go for it!~~!!!!
      Just say it how it is!!! from your eyes.

      I JUST LOVE IT.

    • Darren says:

      10:00am | 01/02/10

      I view Tony as the Liberal Party’s Mark Latham - he is a non-thinking, speak first and then attempt to engage the brain politician - he will get the same result as Latham as well

    • Peter says:

      10:02am | 01/02/10

      I wonder how long it will take Abbott to roll out some new ‘white ‘australia’ policy in response to Rudd’s big Australia plan? When he does, would be interesting to see how he explains that Australia is not racist, but only likes white people…

    • SM says:

      10:03am | 01/02/10

      Abbott is a relatively poor speaker, and will be slaughtered by the silver tongue Rudd when push comes to shove.

    • Zeta says:

      10:24am | 01/02/10

      I’ve never been to the Prime Minister’s Office, but I like to imagine his Private Secretary has a picture above his desk that says ‘You don’t have to mad to run this country, but it sure helps!’, like those ones you see behind the desks of doctor’s receptionists.

      One thing you can surely say for Abbott, is that he’s mad enough to run the country. He might be too mad, but the electorate will be the judge of that. Rudd, in comparison, is probably not mad enough. As a disclaimer, when I say ‘mad’, I mean, Richard Branson ‘let’s go to the moon!’ kind of crazy, not John Forbes Nash crazy. The distinction is important, as Channel 10 found out last week when the mental health lobby took them to task over those group therepy promos.

      The last time I ranted about Abbott it was decrying his poor risk assessment, but compared to Rudd, at least ‘risk’ is in his vocabularly. Voters just need a better idea of what kinds of risks he’s going to be taking.

      John Howard took risks. He took big, bug-f**** crazy risks. Worst massacre in Australian history? Ban guns. Pro-Indonesian militias antagonising our neighbours? Send in the troops. Water front dispute? Send in the troops. Fight inflation? Baby bonus. Save the dream of home ownership? Free home deposits. The list goes on. Here was a guy who saw challenges, and took them head on, using a combination of free cash for middle Australians, dramatic legislative changes, and the judicious application of the SAS to every day problems, like Tampa, Union busting, Timor and Afghanistan.

      Now you can’t say if that was right or wrong. You can make a values statement about how you shouldn’t use military special forces for domestic purposes, or how his stimulus measures lacked fore sight, but what you can’t argue with was that he did things. That’s to say nothing of his more subtle risk taking, the biggest regulatory changes to Australia’s corporations in decades, his practical shift toward big government social welfare whilst actually saying the opposite.

      But what can’t be argued with is the fact his risks paid off. Declines in gun ownership without doubt lead to a safer Australia, even if I personally didn’t like them. Timor is an independent democracy. He changed the way Unions deal with Government, he made home ownership a reality for hundreds of thousands of young parents, who were encouraged to have children by cash incentives.

      All these risks lead to WorkChoices, and the inevitable backlash, but for a while, his brashness paid off.

      Imagine Rudd’s responses to those challenges. We would still be bogged down in reviews into gun laws. The UN Security Council would still be in the process of making a determination about Timor, while militias slaughtered people in the streets. The water front would resemble a war zone, crippling our economy. Studies, studies, more studies, reviews, investigations… but there would be a lot of school halls, I’ll give him that much.

      For all his risks though, Howard was a known quantity, at every election. We might not all have liked what he did, but at least the electorate knew that when a problem presented itself, Howard would do something. He made that clear in his earliest headland speeches, that he was a leader of action and reaction.

      Abbott’s failure is elucidating what kind of man he is. We need to know if he’s a man of action, like Howard, or is he just all hairy chested rhetoric and foot stomping. So far we haven’t seen that, or else he’s keeping his cards close to his chest. Thom Woodroofe points out today in his excellent Punch contribution, Rudd is changing Australia, slowly, into a more sterile place. As Paul Keating said when you change Prime Minister, you change the country. How will Abbott change the country is the big question. Will it be a more conservative brand of sterility? Will it be the respectful liberalism of Howard? The bombast of Keating? Or is he a different beast altogether? Post-political? A McCainesque Maverick?

      I’d like to see a bit more crazy in Canberra, more direct action, but at the same time, until Abbott shows us just how crazy he is, a lot of Australians won’t want to take that risk.

    • KB says:

      02:21pm | 01/02/10

      Brilliantly worded.

    • Darren Kwan says:

      10:33am | 01/02/10

      I wish Rudd had a goal I could be proud of, the guy just does whatever he thinks is popular, without actually have a strong stand point on something he personally believes will be good for the country. That is why Howard was pm for 11 years, atleast when he had a goal, it was something he personally believed to be the best thing for the country and he stuck to it.

      Personally, the whole handling of the economy by Rudd (that is rushed, impulsive and childish) plus his passion for the ETS (which is a tax that will help buffer the backlash from his GFC splurge) make me 100% not trust the man with my future with this country i was born and bred in.

      If Abbott comes out with a direction for this country, you can be assured he’ll stick to it, and it’ll be done. In the end, all a man has in this world is his word.

    • Davy says:

      10:37am | 01/02/10

      Interestingly enough, I am not sure how people actually feel about their daughters. It would appear that many here, actually want to see their teenage daughters porking every bloke they can find. Must be part of their education I guess. It is interesting that when asked, Hue Heffner did not wish his own daughter to be a playboy bunny.
      Maybe we need polititians who are prepared to stand up and make a statement about what they believe. I dont think he is considering making a law that unmarried women cannot have sex.
      I am quite sure that those who lambast the man for this stand, would equally cry foul on somebody who did not accept the right of somebody else to have an opinion. In fact these same people would cry bigotry.
      The man has made a stand = strength of charachter. I would certainly consider voting for him.

    • Paul says:

      10:40am | 01/02/10

      Dear John, do yourself a favour and buy a copy of Battlelines. It might change your views about Abbott having a lack of vision. Turnbull never had such foresight; he just liked to parade around listening to nobody else’s voice except his own - and Godwin Grech’s!

    • Damian says:

      10:45am | 01/02/10

      Key difference between Abbott and Latham is the religious one. It’s why you’ll never see Abbott implode in the way Latham did during his famous departure/self destruction. Abbott has a grace and charm that is endearing, even if his chances of success are low.

    • Corsair says:

      10:49am | 01/02/10

      I also think this survey proves that there are people out there who like to form an opinion without checking the facts first (also evidenced by some of the comments).

      Scary thing - these people vote.

    • Nicholas says:

      10:56am | 01/02/10

      Your comment: Ahh… people won’t vote for him because 1/10 people are gay and he has a problem with that… those 1 / 10 people are the sons, mothers, fathers and children of other voters… he has really just isolated himself…not to mention his comments regarding sex before marriage that imply a woman either must get married, become a nun or a spinster. His ideas are dinasaur like in that they should have become extinct a long time ago…

    • Toddzilla says:

      12:17pm | 01/02/10

      Nicholas - you have a brain the size of a dinosaur. Abbott has never mentioned gay people, your pea-sized intellect has impugned on him opinions that he never mentions and things he never suggested. For example, he never suggested, nor even slightly implied, that women should not have sex before marriage. It was a view impugned upon him by people who think he behaves in a stereotypical way, when, in fact, he is the least stereotypical politician in this country.

      It is this stereotype that will bring him down at the election because a myth is always more powerful the reality. If taken objectively, Abbott is everything Rudd should be, but isn’t. He’s honest, principled, willing to take decisive, difficult decisions. He has a personality. He, unlike Rudd and unlike the stereotype, has never made political decision as a result of his beliefs (hence the fact he didn’t ban RU486 while Health Minister). Rudd on the other hand uses his church credentials to try and imply that he is not the evil, power-hungry megolomaniac lightweight that he is. He goes to church every week, invites the cameras along for the ride, but would still happily murder his own children if it meant one more day in power.

    • Smarter than you... says:

      01:00pm | 01/02/10

      Ahhh… he has been quite vocal about limiting rights for gay people, along with the right faction of the coalition for a very long time. If Peter Costello was around maybe the party wouldn’t be so redundant… considering I have just been admitted to Law at UTS i would wager my intellect is much larger than yours. Thanks.

    • Toddzilla says:

      01:46pm | 01/02/10

      @Smarter than you. Mate, don’t talk about getting into law as some sign that you’re intelligent. It is meaningless and not even a great achievement. For the record, I have already received degrees in Law and Economics (from UTS, as well), which I had completed within 5 years of leaving school. Given that it was such an easy accomplishment, I never considered it an achievement. Also, my IQ has been measured in standardised testing as well over 160 (though I realise I can’t prove that to you here). So before you start sprouting off your intellectual capabilities just for getting into some uni course any neville can get into, you might want to know something about the person you are talking to. Good luck with your course, though. Don’t worry, it’s a piece of the proverbial - so easy in fact that you should consider anything less than a distinction in any subject as a failure. Now back in your box, kid.

    • Nicholas says:

      02:36pm | 01/02/10

      I believe you were the first to bring up intellect. I merely brought up the fact Tony Abbot was an out of touch, churchy,  mysogynist loser…you seemed to have had a problem with that. Oh well, at least I can be happy, although gay, that I’m not a member of THAT particular minority who thinks he is the next best thing to sliced bread (white picket fence, fundamentalist, boring, stale white bread)...lol.

      Oh and I’m still smarter than you…

    • Peter says:

      03:36pm | 01/02/10

      Seriously, why do some people on this forum feel the need to confirm their intellect by telling us they have got or are doing a degree? If you’ve got one, or even if your doing one, good one you, well done, but seriously you sound like absolute tossers every time you come out with that statement. A degree doesn’t make a person any smarter, just more knowledgable on a particular topic (and even then it’s debatable)..

    • Kelly says:

      10:57am | 01/02/10

      I think Abbott has alienated too many women to ever be elected. His personal beliefs & religion is fine, but he has fused it way too often with his political position. He is clearly aware of this damage, as seen by his latest efforts to do stories with his daughters etc, but I think the damage is too great to recover from. Time will tell.

    • Wendell says:

      10:58am | 01/02/10

      Lame, gay, churchy loser

    • Heather says:

      11:09am | 01/02/10

      Abbott has stated that his party will vote against the RELIGIOUSLY-BASED LABOR and Family First plan to censor the internet. He thus has my vote—because he clearly is religious (I’m not), but also clearly does not always let his religion stand in the way of doing what the electorate would prefer, contrary to what the media say about him.

      Most of our “opinions” are formed by ill-informed concepts of media beat-ups (right or wrong). Example: OMGZZoundzzzzz!!! Abbott wore Speedos on his way from the beach to the car!!! Let’s all crucify the man!!!

      And he would rather his daughters (look at the damned question in context, people) not boink every guy on the planet and hold to the ideals they were brought up with (religious freedom, and the opinion of same, is actually a right in this country, even if legislated “freedom of speech” isn’t, and therefore fair game for Conroy and his religious nutter pals).

      What on earth does that have to do with running a country? All that says is he cares about his daughters, and is involved enough in their lives to give advice. I know non religious men who’d like to lock up their daughters until they’re 40. So?

      And, meanwhile, do you know what your local member, Rudd or Swan, or Conroy, are doing? The actual legislation being proposed at the present time, that is not being reported in Big Letter Headlines in media, and what side each stands on? Blinkers, anyone?

      I’d rather “honest” any day. We complain about how dishonest our pollies are and now we have one who says what he thinks (no matter what it may cost him) and we’re having a go at him for it. No wonder pollies think doublespeak is “wiser”—we demand it of them or punish them for being honest.

    • asif says:

      12:34pm | 01/02/10

      Abbott has stated that his party will vote against the RELIGIOUSLY-BASED LABOR and Family First plan to censor the internet.

      - got a link for that please heather?

    • Evan Findlay says:

      11:09am | 01/02/10

      Like his rock solid, iron clad guarantee on medicare. Your idea of truth is a little flexible KM.

    • Brad Coward says:

      11:11am | 01/02/10

      As Liberal leader Tony Abbott is not the Labor suckhole that Malcolm Turnbull was.  As a potential national leader he speaks clearly and concisely.  You understand his position instantly.  He cuts through spin.  He has shown that it’s not just a “woman’s prerogative” to change one’s mind on an issue as more information comes to hand.  He does not try to be everything to everyone.

      Ask him a question…he will answer it.  You may not approve of the answer, but your question will be answered directly.  You don’t sit there wondering if he has answered a question that someone else has asked.  He doesn’t speak in fifteen second sound bites.  He is aware of the issues that concern the average man and woman in the street and is prepared to acknowledge that fact.

      He doesn’t hide behind his front bench.  He is not afraid to be heard doing “bad news”.  He is prepared to be grilled by “journalists”, knowing full well that by granting the interview he is walking into potential enemy territory.  He speaks without a prepared script.  If you don’t express your ‘undying love and devotion” to him, he is unlikely to toss a hissy-fit.  He allows you to express you opinion without resorting to name calling in defence of his opinion. 

      In short….as a human being and a politician he represents and is everything that Prime Minister Rudd represents and is not.  I can’t say that I have ever liked Tony Abbott, but currently he is saying the things that the Prime Minister isn’t or won’t say because he feels that his popularity will be tested. 

      If I lived in Abbott’s electorate, I would vote for him.  I would not have voted for Turnbull or Nelson directly had fate found me living in their electorates.  I believe that Tony Abbott offers an alternative to the Rudd government.  Exactly how much of an alternative he offers will be revealed in the fullness of time as policies are released.

    • Harquebus says:

      11:15am | 01/02/10

      Tony Abbot, just like our prime minister, is a religious nut not capable of making a sane or rational decision. I won’t be voting for either of them.

    • Peter says:

      12:05pm | 01/02/10

      Not sure if our Prime Minister is religous at all. Saw him on the Today show yesterday and he said he believes in evolution and Charles Darwin. Not sure how that fits in with his religous beliefs and he quite skillfully navigated away from mentioning God. A bit disappointed he wasn’t asked about what he would say to his daughters re pre-marital sex. No doubt he would have said “ask your mother”, so he wouldn’t offend some sex crazed non-believers out there and help to further deminish the role of the father so some of the feminists that he likes to appease don’t get offended..

    • Val says:

      11:22am | 01/02/10

      I find Kevin Rudd is very good reading from a prepared script, but when that’s taken away he looks and sounds like a fool. Sunrise the other morning was an example of that, he couldn’t answer the questions and looked like a fool. Even on 7.30 Report last week, he appeared to be able to prattle on at length without taking breath about subjects he was prepared for but a few times when he was asked a question he wasn’t expecting, he looked stumped, and had trouble putting his words together, and looked quite uncomfortable. I don’t find this happens with Abbott.

    • Mikko says:

      11:33am | 01/02/10

      Three words for Tony Abbott: Forthright, athletic, likeable. Three words for Kevin Rudd: A Toxic Bore.
      Oh, I think somebody said that before.

    • NCG says:

      11:32am | 01/02/10

      I’m unsure as to why people believe that Tony Abbots personal values will have any impact on the nations political landscape. So he doesn’t want his daughters sleeping around, big deal, how many parents wish the same, no matter what there political persuasion or background? Regardless, do you honestly believe he would try and bring this into law?

      Wake up people. John Howard used to go for a jog every morning. His personal fitness regime didn’t get made into law; “everyone, able bodied, must exercise for an hour every morning”. While such a law probably wouldn’t be a bad idea considering the obesity epidemic this country faces, no elected government would encroach so rampantly on peoples personal choice. That’s what dictatorships are for.

    • Nicole says:

      01:12pm | 01/02/10

      Unfortunately politicians ARE people, and their personal values will affect the way they govern. You only have to look at the Howard years to realise that while Howard may not have made exercise compulsory for everyone, his upbringing and his beliefs about the kind of country Australia should be undoubtedly were behind some of his most controversial decisions - the treatment of refugees, WorkChoices legislation, the GST…

      Let’s not forget that Abbott rejected the use of RU-486 in Australia not so long ago.

    • NCG says:

      01:57pm | 01/02/10

      Nicole; the RU-486 bill was voted on as a conscience vote. There will not be a major political party that blindly supports or rejects such a policy unless they want to commit political suicide by significantly alienating one group of people over another. As you mentioned, WorkChoices is a prime example of supporting a polarising policy.  Frankly I think abortion is a womans choice, I can’t see why anyone would want to demand a child be brought into this world when no one wants it. It’s a disaster waiting to happen, but that’s for another time….

    • Cly says:

      11:47am | 01/02/10

      Someone who actually believes supernatural stories from the bronze age are true should not be allowed a position in government - especially the role of PM.

    • H of SA says:

      12:28pm | 01/02/10

      Right yep, people who would differen’t beliefs to Cly shouldn’t be allowed to hold public office, even if the majority is happy to vote them in (See our last two PM’s) - how very democratic of you Cly.

    • Jane says:

      11:50am | 01/02/10

      Rudd drives me crazy with never taking ownership of anything. If he is attacked about something he always answers, I have done the same as the Howard Government did before me, or I had the oppositions support on this, or he rambles on about what is going to be happening in 2050. When he talks so far in to the future he states the obvious, like we have an ageing poulation. Yep, we all knew that. We need to increase productivity, Yep my 15 yr old son could have told me that too. He is talking about things he won’t be around to be judged on. He also never has a committment or any detail about what he will be doing now to achieve this. What steps is he going to take? It always appears that he is trying to be tricky about everything he says.
      “Ownership of Nothing”............ “It’s the other mobs fault.”..............“Those Oppoisite”...........

    • vic says:

      11:51am | 01/02/10

      The speedos are just a cheap stunt to try to distact sensible people from the complete and utter tripe he’s been spouting since he took over.  Tony Abbot is the Christian Osama bin Laden

    • James says:

      12:09pm | 01/02/10

      Abbott is not capable of functioning in the modern world outside his narrow sphere of like minded conservatives, he would be a liablity to Australia and any prospects of Australia becoming respected in the wider world.

      His track record on environmentalism is laughable and would damage our fragile recovery on this front.  Abbott in charge would confirm our detractors arguements that we are stuck in the past.

    • gary says:

      12:14pm | 01/02/10

      Tony Abbott will:
      Make Divorce hard to obtain…
      Re-Criminalise Abortion
      Have the Bible & English history compulsory
      pay for his climate change intitives with tax hikes too

    • Chukky says:

      12:16pm | 01/02/10

      I think Australians are waking up to the whole Climate Change fraud and most of those who do beleive that climate change is man made know that Rudd can’t solve the problem with his ETS policy. Tony Abott’s enviroment policies will do more than Rudd’s without sending us broke!

    • TM Leung says:

      12:21pm | 01/02/10

      Tony Abbot has a view on abortion and women, just as he has a view on many other things because of his faith.  You may not agree with his views, but you have to agree that his view is consistent with his values.  Rudd claims to be a catholic, but when he proposes policy in direct contradiction of what the catholic church teaches for the sake of appealing to voters in order to keep himself in power, what does this make him?  A hypocrite!  I’d rather vote for a man with integrity with some views that I do not agree, rather than a hypocrite sitting on the fence.

    • Tinman says:

      12:25pm | 01/02/10

      The worlds full of Highly educated idiots & intellectual thugs . Religious Zealots, full of their own self importance , like many justifying their conduct via their special relationship to God ( or John Howard ? ) !. Just like all of the other politicians and so called leaders of society, world wide, whom share these same traits, coupled with small minded short term visions of unsustainable economic / population growth and constant expansion etc etc .They are blinded by their own political bias and desires ! Their small mindedness is leading the world down a path that can only end in tears for our Grand children ! Gee I’ve forgotten whom I was talking about here, was it Rudd or Abbott or all the rest ?  Politicians all look the same to me !! Total monotone (speech and thinking) , SELL OUTS, who could not lie straight in bed. They have the insight wisdom and vision of retarded rocks and the social skills of teenage spoiled Brats !  No offense ment,  to any Rocks or spoiled Brats !

    • Harquebus says:

      03:08pm | 01/02/10

      Couldn’t agree more Tinman.

    • Clinton says:

      12:26pm | 01/02/10

      A big new tax campaign got Paul keating an extra term that few thought he would get. Don’t underestimate the value of a fear campaign.

    • pussinboots says:

      12:30pm | 01/02/10

      ...“the Abbott responses were full of references to his beliefs. Some liked them, some didn’t”

      It is not the POINT whether people like his religious beliefs or not. Of course respondents brought up his Catholicism unprompted - it is our RIGHT to have a government that doesn’t allow the faith of the few to govern the many. Yes Labor has it’s religious bent - but I will argue to the death it is better than having what gary mentioned: at-fault divorce, criminalised abortion, teaching the Bible in schools and allowing Catholic values to seep into sex ed and other aspects of education.

      I’m sorry, but no other aspect of Abbott - rubbish though all his other facets are - is as worrying as his inability to understand separation of the powers. As with most of the avidly religious, they are blind to the very concept that others should not and CANNOT be ruled by what they believe. A secular society is of my utmost concern - and the freedomof women and girls to make their own decisions about their own bodies. Didn’t my fore-mothers do this back in the 60s? Why are we going here again?

      Just think if it were any other brand of extremist religion vying for power in Australia - what would the furore be then.

      As for climate change - ignore at your peril. Do some reading on what the church/es think about it and you will understand Abbott a little more. It comes down to the belief that God wouldn’t possibly allow his children to die from their own stupidity and greed. For the rest of us who don’t believe in the easter bunny, climate change remains real and we would like something done about it.

    • fool me once says:

      12:32pm | 01/02/10

      WHO CARES IF HE’S UNPOPULAR !!!  We aren’t electing a celebrity here.

      Abbott will stop this CARBON TRADING SCAM and that’s worth a vote.
      I’m sick of the unbridled praise of saint kevin and the deliberate demonising of the mad monk. I want a head kicker out there fighting for Australians and not a flimsy populist ponce selling us all out to the UN.

      Put Abbott and Rudd on monthly hour long televised debates and we will see who can explain themselves better. Without speech writers and memorized sound bytes, Rudd will sound like the empty vessel he is.

    • paul m says:

      12:39pm | 01/02/10

      @gary - I don’t know if that’s true but if it is, then that makes him the better option as far as I am concerned:

      -Divorce:  is far too easy to obtain and whilst that’s politically incorrect to state,  damaging to those affected by it - indirectly als burdening society and the state. A healthy nation is one that has healthy families.

      -Abortion: If you believe life starts with conception, abortion is a criminal act. Either way, unless there are mitigating circumstances (e.g. medical), it’s a morally reprehensible act and traumatising for many women who do it (not to mention husbands, partners, etc)

      -Compulsory lessons in English history and the Bible: The moral and cultural foundations of this country are Christian and Anglo-Celtic. You could do worse than to ensure every child is familiar with them - even if only to critically question and challenge them. A people unfamiliar with its history is forced to repeat its mistakes and lacks a coherent cultural identity within which (or against which! see the US) to tell its own shared story.

      Climate Change - I am not sure I understand this, your last point - do you mean conservation policies? If so, I am prepared to pay a tax for the nationalisation of our river system and the “green army”, if it achieves what it sets out to do.

      And FWIW: nope, I am not a Liberals fan and never voted for them.

    • Jason says:

      01:04pm | 01/02/10

      I believe that religion should be seperate from politics, so I wont vote for Abbot because I believe he wants to bring politics and religion closer together.

    • Swampy says:

      02:00pm | 01/02/10

      If he was able to seperate his religous views from his political life I might like him a little better. There is meant to be a division between religion & state for a very good reason.

    • Harquebus says:

      03:13pm | 01/02/10

      Is that why they say the Lord’s prayer at the beginning of each parliament?

    • Phil says:

      06:03pm | 01/02/10

      Jason on that basis you would be a green voter anyway. A vote for Greens is a vote for Labor, which just so happen to be long ago in bed with the catholics. Suggest you vote for the atheist party.

    • Nicole says:

      01:21pm | 01/02/10

      RE Abortion, define ‘medical’ circumstances. What if a woman decides to abort when she knows that she would never be able to provide for her child adequately, ensuring that it would suffer from economic deprivation its whole life? Wouldn’t this kind of economic deprivation lead to poorer health? Does that constitute a medical circumstance that fits your definition of when women should and shouldn’t be allowed to get an abortion?

      As for compulsory lessons in English history - absolutely, once there are compulsory lessons in Indigenous Australian history and language. Seems only fair, don’t you think? As for compulsory bible lessons, I do hope you’re joking - numerous Australians manage to come up with their own moral code without the help of religion, thanks very much.

    • Peter says:

      01:48pm | 01/02/10

      Re you compulsory history lesson, no doubt that will cover off January 26, the day an English army arrived and stole someone else’s country, committed acts of genocide against the defenceless Aboriginies, a day of shame and no honour, now celebrated by drunken hoons every year? Perhaps we keep telling our kids how Captain Cook discovered Australia (despite the fact there were people already here)? And maybe a few more untruths? or how about we freeze our history to only a 50 year period so that only Anglo history gets acknowledged and no - one else does? I’m all for a HISTORY lesson, provide HISTORY includes everybody that’s arrived here. Australia is in DIRE need of a history lesson. It can start with the truth..

    • Nicholas says:

      02:29pm | 01/02/10

      Seperation od church and state! I’m as much a citizen of this country as you and want my potential children to have NOTHING to do with the church. We are a secular state. We are not a christian state. What are you on?

    • Radical Chick says:

      12:55pm | 01/02/10

      If nothing changes that drastically changes my mind…I am voting Abbott for PM…I am sick and tired of the excuses of this poor excuse for a government. I am A LOT worse off under them then I was under Howard and that is my bottom line.
      Abbott for PM!

    • GeeJay says:

      01:00pm | 01/02/10

      I, for one, just hope that Malcolm Turnbull is still around after next election .. He will be badly needed!!

    • Tanya says:

      01:06pm | 01/02/10

      Wake up Paul M, divorce? abortion? bible lessons? I do not want to live in a country where the bigotted preachers enforce their views on others. There is a reason for seperation of church and state. Mr Abbott is a thumbs down from me.

    • Nicole says:

      01:15pm | 01/02/10

      But most Australian voters don’t care that Abbott is ruling in line with his personal values, or with any kind of consistency in mind. He’s a POLITICIAN, not a priest. If Rudd proposes policy in direct contradiction of the Catholic Church because that’s what voters want, then good on him. That’s why we elected him - to do what WE want. As long as Abbott refuses to acknowledge that he will do the same, he will remain electoral poison for the coalition. I’d rather vote for a man who does what Australia wants, than a man who lets his personal and religious beliefs influence his decisions.

    • Thommo says:

      03:23pm | 01/02/10

      Australians dont want an ETS but Rudd still wants to go through with it. Abbott will look after the interests of Australians more than UN RUDD will.

    • Jackie says:

      01:24pm | 01/02/10

      I agree that his comments were his own to make, agree or not. But as a leader he needs to take care because people will take them up the wrong way, no matter what side of politics you’re on. Brandis however shackled him when he told the Deputy PM she couldn’t speak for families because she didn’t have one. That alienated a huge area of swing voters that had probably listened and then turned away

    • Paul says:

      01:35pm | 01/02/10

      @eric wild assumptions there Eric - which party are you refering to? I’m a swinging voter. (And it’s *propaganda* that Abbott is into Queens, Popes, fundamentalism and other bizarre cultural hangovers from repressed Victorian England? Which planet are you from Eric?) Same applies in NSW, Labor is useless but less scary than a Liberal party about to be hijacked by the hardline Christian Right. There is a difference between the political realities of lesser evils and propaganda.

    • Virgo says:

      01:36pm | 01/02/10

      I can’t and won’t vote for Tony Abbott, its not only the fact that he wanted to join the priesthood and he obviously still has those very Catholic ethics, its more than that for me. He appears to me to be a man wanting desperatly to please everyone, and in trying to please all 22 mill of us he’s going to alienate at least half.  His constantly changing his mind on issues is not only annoying it makes you disbelieve and who wants a Prime Minister who you can’t believe in? I heard him talking of bringing work choices back and Australians did not lose time from work to get out there and protest, only to have this man bring work choices back. The Liberals did not listen to us and not only that..they can’t count. They must have realised by the numbers on the streets..we were not happy. To even talk of bringing it back is sheer folly. I also did not feel comfortable with the man talking of virginity in the same sentence as his teenage daughters were mentioned for me that was tawdry and say what you like this is my opinion and just like everyone else here I am entitled to my views. That’s what Democracy is about. I think they made a big mistake removing Malcom Turnbull, at least he had the integrity to stand up for what he believed in

    • AR says:

      02:13pm | 01/02/10

      Virgo. Malcolm Turnbull works for Goldman Sachs - he has ZERO integrity.

    • H of SA says:

      03:19pm | 01/02/10

      Agree with you re workchoices Virgo, appointin Abetz to industrial relations was a real thumbing of the nose to voters.

    • paul m says:

      01:59pm | 01/02/10

      @Tanya: Are you seriously suggesting a Christian viewpoint is a threat to the “seperation” [sic] of powers?

      Ouch.

      Your adventurous reasoning (and spelling) frankly confirm why the teaching of English (or European, Christian) history should be compulsory.

    • sooz says:

      01:59pm | 01/02/10

      How clever you and Gary are. I find it interesting that so many commentators from the left have total disregard for the truth.

      Tony Abbott has said the EXACT opposite of the issues you both insist he is hell bent on introducing. Why do I know this? Because he has barely been asked anything else in interviews since he became leader. How about backing your comments up with links to verify?

      As for climate change, I suggest you do some reading of your own on the “science” of Mann-made global warming. You won’t find any reporting of it on The Punch but there is plenty available for those not blinded by the religion of AGW:

      http://wattsupwiththat.com/
      http://climateaudit.org/

      The corruption within the IPCC is being exposed daily. Wake up!

    • Tim says:

      02:01pm | 01/02/10

      Peter,
      no doubt this history lesson will also include how the aborigines lived in horrible conditions, comitted various abuses on their own people, had tribal wars and made many animal species extinct all before the white man came.
      I mean if you want to tell the truth that is.

    • Peter says:

      02:31pm | 01/02/10

      How they lived? Don’t know, school never covered off that one. Some would have been doing ok I suppose, they were trading with the chinese and other nations before white man came and found an apparantly empty country?
      Abuses on it’s own people? Don’t know, school never covered off that one as well. I am aware of the abuses of white man on aborigines and the ensuing genocide..
      Tribal Wars? I am familiar with the Aboriginal concept of war of sending your best fighter (one man) to fight the best of rival tribe. 2 men fight, 1 winner. Seems more civilised than white man to me.
      Many Animal Species extinct? Perhaps, but white man hasn’t failed in this endeavour either. I suppose it was the Aborigines that killed off the Tasmanian Tiger? or wait? was it the same white man with wiped Tasmanian Aborigines off the map? Im all for the truth, not the re-written type we see when the victor usually dehuminises his enemy by making several baseless claims how uncivilsed they were..

    • Nicholas says:

      02:56pm | 01/02/10

      Well said Peter. Best comment on here…

    • Tim says:

      03:10pm | 01/02/10

      Peter,
      it seems your schooling didn’t cover a lot of areas then. Maybe you should do your own research because it seems you have been fed a very slanted view.
      I’m all for the truth also, and not the re-written black armband type that you have obviously been taught. You know the one where the aborigines lived in peace and harmony with nature until the big bad white man came.

    • Peter says:

      03:51pm | 01/02/10

      Tim, i worry more about your knowledge than I do of mine. I least i did some history research independantly of my school.. And your point you keep raising about tribal feuds (and the disbelief that they lived in peace and harmony) before white man came? Not sure how that is relevant. I can’t think of ANY country in ANY era that hasn’t had any internal problems. Never meant their country got stolen and to my mind has never been a legal basis for war. England is a long way away from Australia, must have seemed even futher in 1776. What are you saying? Were they innocently sailing by and thought we better stop the feuding by killing all the black people, stealing their country, steal their resources, all white man get rich, tell Abo’s to get over it while at the same time Anglo Australia can’t get over modern migration even though no one killed them or stole their property.  I suppose you still believe the meat pie is Australian? Russell Crowe and Crowded House are full blown Aussies? or the best bit of history re-writing i saw on the weekend where some property guru suggested Australia invented the notion of having a neighbour (and that’s because of the hill hoist don’t you know?). I had to laugh..

    • Jaydead says:

      03:57pm | 01/02/10

      I could never vote for Tony Abbot, as I’m pretty sure that bulge in his budgie smugglers is the dirty knife he stuck in Malcom Turnbull’s back. How long before he starts swinging it at everything Australians hold dear, like welfare, medicare, education, and big taxes on the rich?

    • Joe says:

      04:11pm | 01/02/10

      What straight talk? He dodges everything you throw at him, unless it’s spin on something that has nothing to do with governing. Does anyone even listen to the interviews with this guy? Q: “What do you base your policy on climate change upon?” A: “Ah, I’m a politician not a scientist.”

    • Ricky says:

      04:26pm | 01/02/10

      Personally, i would vote for ANYONE over Kevin Dudd.He is useless & he is a liar. The alternative couldnt possibly do a worse job.

    • Brian says:

      04:38pm | 01/02/10

      Tony Abbott is the real deal and hopefully the next PM.

      All those bigots who only use his PERSONAL moral convictions against him are weak in argument - having strong convictions is a good thing.

      Rudd is more like Howard than Abbott for all the Howard-haters.

      A person should be judged by actions rather than words - we have head a zillion Rudd speeches declaring war on everything, the “great moral challenge” and all the other superlatives.

      Then you see Tony Abbott, surf-life saving, volunteering CFS, cycling/running for charity here there and everywhere.

      Your call.

    • Von says:

      05:38pm | 01/02/10

      Rudd has let us down, we voted for this dud? Vote labor out, they have ruined this country!

    • Brad Coward says:

      05:39pm | 01/02/10

      @ GeeJay…..you hope that Malcolm Turnbull is around after the next election.  Do you honestly believe that Turnbull will win pre-selection for the seat ?  He hasn’t gone quietly, doing a hatchet job on the Liberal Party.  My bet is that he won’t stand, not even as an independent.

    • LES PATTERSON says:

      05:44pm | 01/02/10

      Give me the job of Prime-Minister.  I promise to give you a bang for your buck!

      Yes sir-ree folks as I said “I promise I promise I promise I promise”

      OOOO what did I promise you?  Doesn’t matter folks but I promise you that I promise AND I CAN GUARANTEE YOU I PROMISE..
      Oh yes and I’ll under cut any-one that stands in my way, cause I know people in high places.  And that is why I say “I promise.  Cheers folks from yours faithfully

    • Betelnut says:

      05:44pm | 01/02/10

      Last time I checked, we did not have a presidential style voting system, and very few punters can cast a vote directly for the PM or Opo leader.  Lets consider the teams….

      PM             Rudd v Abbott         TIE
      Rudd cannot call it a shovel or a spade.  Abbott calling it both.  A pox on both these populists.

      Treasury         Swan v Hockey     Labor +1
      Swan still in floaties, but Hockey cannot find the pool.
       
      Education         Gillard v Pyne     Labor +1
      Gillard taking on the AEU takes the bout. Pyne the whine a little outgunned.

      Workplace Relations   Gillard v Abetz     Labor +1
      Ideology aside, Australia voted on Workchoices already. This plus the Godwin factor puts the Ranga in front and daylight second.

      AG           McClelland v Brandis     Labor +1
      Would have been a tie, except for Brandis’ silly comments this week. Gave oxygen to the blowtorch Gillard was clumsily trying to wield.

      Immigration         Evans v Morrison     TIE
      Evans is dogpaddling and hoping the boats stay away until election time.  Scotty Morrison is making the right noises (see his articles on the Punch), but can his party hear him over the sound of the dog whistle?

      Climate Change     Wong v Hunt         Libs/Nats +1
      Alarmism vs Denialism aside, Wong’s ETS is a big FAIL on all levels political, environmental and economic.  Still waiting on Hunt’s ideas, may be waiting forever.

      Defence         Faukner v Johnston     Labor +1
      Who?  Give it to Fauks.

      Foreign Affairs     Smith v Bishop     Labor +1
      No major stuff ups from Smith, and two years without a single pair of fishnets to be seen.  Despite being made of plastic, Bishop is a lightweight.

      Health         Roxon   v Dutton     Labor +1
      Dutton still waiting on that heart transplant…

      Housing/Community   Macklin v Andrews     Labor +1
      I will always side with the living. Double Tap.

      Indigenous Affairs     Macklin v Scullion     TIE
      Does ineffectiveness come with the seat?  Where did Brough go?

      Finance         Tanner v Joyce     Labor +1
      Love Barnaby, but seriously….

      Trade           Crean v Truss         meh
      Are they still around?

      Infrastructure     Albanese v Macfarlane   TIE
      Is poorly directed, overfunded infrastructure better than none at all?

      Communications     Conroy v Smith     TIE
      No kudos for the NBN because it comes with a distasteful filtered aftertaste.

      Industry Science Research   Carr v Mirabella   Labor +1
      Mirabella is simply an oxygen thief.

      Environment Arts         Garratt v Hunt/Ciobo     Libs/Nats +1
      Impossible to take the former front man seriously, a true duck out of water.

      Agriculture           Burke v Cobb         meh
      Super             Bowen   v Hartsuyker     meh
      Tourism           Ferguson v Ciobo     meh

      Final score:    Labor       10
                Lib/Nats         2
                TIE/meh         9

      So by a score of 10 to 2, Labor gets a reprieve for 3 more years.

      My 2c.
      Betelnut

    • Robinoz says:

      05:49pm | 01/02/10

      I’ve decided I’m not going to waste my time voting, but if I did, Abbott would be in with a chance. He’s experienced and a good performer, the only thing that makes me nervous is he is tied at the hip to the catholic church and therefore has some archaic and stupid ideas. If he could convince me that he could keep church and state separate, I’d vote for him.

    • PRETTY BOY says:

      06:10pm | 01/02/10

      Robinoz Hi there,
      Don’t be fooled by the ‘Tony has good family values catholic thingy’ 
      Tony Ab may be just the right opponent for K.Ru for the minute
                      BUT
      Tone.Ab is a pretty boy.  He is so conscience about his body looking good I am concerned if could concentrate long enough without worrying about his body and his fitness.  With all his time either riding his bike for surfing or what ever it takes to keep him LOOKING SCHIMCKO.
      In fact I bet you he fights for the mirror to constantly keep at check on his looks.
      I don’t know how he would go in the hot sit?

    • Dan says:

      06:06pm | 01/02/10

      Can a few of you read back over your comments?? Your bloody bonkers, it sounds like we’re fighting against communist regimes in 300BC, chill out people. Just listen to the actual candidates and what they are saying, stay away from the media spin, i.e. the punch. Then make your mind up.

    • katarina says:

      06:44pm | 01/02/10

      I am a supporter of the Liberals but I fiercely disagree with Abbott’s conservative stance on fundamental social issues and I do fear that his politics and conservative social agenda are mutually inclusive inclinations. 

      However it was his stance on the politics of climate change that won my support.  I don’t believe the common alarmist disposition on CC and I view it to be yet another strand of politics of fear that will have very serious repercussions in politics, economics and ultimately society. 

      Thus, as a woman and someone who seriously disagrees with Abbott’s conservative social views, I was willing to accept this as a trade-off.  I would vote Abbott, despite his social conservatism (which no doubt would transgress into conservative policies!) because of his stance on CC.  Voting is always a trade-off.  Rarely does any single party encapsulate our every want.

    • Carrie Sanders says:

      08:52pm | 01/02/10

      Hands up those who were thankful that we didn’t have the ETS shoved down our throats last year? Think about it people - Turnbull, Hockey and everyone else did not have the guts to stand up for us, but this man did. With that one gesture, he did more for our economy (the so-called ETS would have done nothing more than putting us at a disadvantage since the rest of world did not have such a tax) than Rudd had ever done in his entire time in office and showed more courage than our spineless PM could ever muster. He might have made mistakes in the past and done / said the wrong things, but people change and grow up and I for one am willing to give him a chance.
      Before you say no to Abbott, ask yourself this - do you honestly want to stick with the spin-doctor who is more interested in flying his mega troop around the world at our expense, spending money on reviews after reviews after reviews, and squandering our surplus? I have never felt strongly about politicians, but Rudd is about to make history in my book as the worst PM there ever was. Please please people.. wake up for the good of Australia!

    • David says:

      09:52pm | 01/02/10

      I totally agree, I think Rudd could be the worst PM ever if he stays there too long.  I was so happy Turnbull was ousted and they voted down the ETS.  I couldn’t believe they were going along with it.

      Example of Labor spin, the ETS is the world wide term.  Notice they never say ETS instead they’ve made up their own CPRS.

    • tim says:

      09:06pm | 01/02/10

      Abbott the dill and Betelnut +10 for getting it right.
      Mr Turnbull will be back for the parties sake and a move in the right direction.

    • steve says:

      09:18pm | 01/02/10

      The reasons that people vote for an individual party is as varied as the individual voter. I would print a bumper sticker that says
      “DON’T BLAME ME I DIDN’T VOTE FOR THE SILLY BASTARDS”
      Trouble is there will come a time when the swing goes that other way and I well may have voted for the then elected silly bastards. No one party have a mortgage on stupidity. (Though the greens go close)
      There are rusted on supporters in rusted on seats on either side of Australian politics, they do not change their vote so the election is decided by a handful of votes in a handful of seats. Keating’s margin in the swinging seats he held was about 1500 votes, that and preferences got him over the line in the unwinnable election.
      The Labour party may be in for a shock, if the electorate do the same to Krudd as they did to Whitlam. You can see it in the smug façade of the pseudo elite in the labour party and the vitriol that they spray at Abbott. They are worried folks very worried…… we shall see what happens

    • Jaythulhu The Great says:

      12:55am | 02/02/10

      It’s really scary how many of you have drunk the Liberal Cultist Cordial. Here’s why Kevin Rudd hasn’t been able to get anything done: The Liberals and the Nationals keep making up lies and nonsense to scare the gullible, and then fillibuster and flounder about in parliament so nothing can get done. If the Libs would just sit down and shut up, instead of being such obstructionist morons for the sake of being obstructionist, this country would be in much better position.

      You rant about how big the budget surplus was, completely ignoring the fact that to get it that high howard and co. ripped every bit of funding from schools, universities, scientists, artists, hospitals and every social welfare program they could get their grubby little hands on. They also made it easy for the rich to dodge tax, buy up all of the land and houses using tax breaks created just for the wealthy, and sent our sons and daughters off to die in an illegal invasion of a sovereign nation.

      They don’t deserve to run the country, they deserve to locked up and never released.

      Bring on the new, 3rd option full of intelligent people who are actually qualified for the ministries they run (accountants for the budget department doctors for the health department, etc) and base their decisions and policy on fact and logic, instead of hokey religious myth, scare tactics and pseudo-science.

    • Beamesy says:

      01:18am | 02/02/10

      Rudd doesn’t have the guts to enter into any debate which may squeeze his bubble-wrapped goody-two-shoes, teacher’s pet persona. A man of convinction speaks his mind without fear. Its time to get another job if you’re a PM too afraid to tell the people what you really think. Rudd needs to cut the sanctimonious, arrogant, all-knowing tone from his voice; stop reading off a teleprompter and grow a pair. Straight talk will win over spin any day of the week.

    • David says:

      02:10am | 02/02/10

      I voted for Rudd last time and I will I made a mistake because he is just a leader that just worries about his position and doesn’t care about Australia So Abbott next time I’ll vote for you

    • SirFartalot says:

      03:09am | 02/02/10

      labor is running on empty with their Bob Carr Spin of lies.  Abbot placed huge drift and wedge into and making Labor work as Government and thats what the opposition should do.

    • Voxpop says:

      07:30am | 02/02/10

      Up above Nicole is right to blast Abbott about RU486 and NCG is merely an apologist trying to sidestep with BS.  NCG while you try to deflect, by saying Abbott wouldn’t legislate against casual sex (obvious simplification to the point of absurdity) you try to ignore the fact that he already has form.

      Abbott grossly misrepresented advice from medical experts on RU486 so that he could ban it - he used every tactic he could to keep it out of the country.  Howard only caved in to allowing a conscience vote because of the proverbial hitting the fan - and while I know Howard held the exact same views (he voted with Abbott on the conscience vote) he was not stupid enough to let it taint his image (part of the reason Abbott was recognised as his head kicking henchman) perhaps he even thought he would have the numbers to back him up - after all not many women in parliament.

      Not only that but Abbott set up huge funding for pregnancy counselling services (a good thing you say) except that he manipulated the outcome by only sponsoring religious counselling that would NEVER under any circumstances give any advice on abortion even if that is what is asked or pleaded for.  While pro-choice counsellors received no govt funding this is a glaringly obvious abuse of power.  He basically made it mandatory for women seeking help to be further marginalised and preached to by pro-lifers using disgusting emotional blackmail and totally unfounded medical claims eg ‘abortion causes breast cancer’ - I kid you not, that was one of their platforms.

      “Repeatedly Abbott has proved incapable of making sound ministerial judgments on issues that relate to women’s fertility because he allows his decisions to be driven by his personal, religious beliefs. Of course, he is entitled to hold anti-abortion views but to allow his personal views to affect his ministerial decisions indicates the man is unfit for the job.” from The Age 2005.

      Honestly I find Coalition politics to be a complete circus with him at the helm accompanied by Barnyard and can only hope that women and other more liberal, Liberals in the party hold him to account - there were many in the Coalition that stood against him and Howard on the RU486 vote - 95 to 50 was a solid win against Abbott but when you look further it was almost a 50/50 split in the liberal party (defying Howard and Abbott) with many of those still in play.  And for those saying Rudd has religious views as well trying to cancel it out of the equation – he knows to keep them to himself and not influence our secular society with outdated views.  Rudd voted against Abbott on RU486 and has done nothing to indicate that he would ‘force’ religion onto the community.  Whereas Abbott has done during his time as Health Minister – god help us if he ever reached PM.

      Abbott – Dangerous, Misogynistic, Regressive

    • Barney says:

      08:08am | 02/02/10

      God help us

    • Katie says:

      10:21am | 02/02/10

      Tony Abbott has principals, they may not be our own beliefs, but at least we know hes a man who “cares” about something.  He is a Christian, deal with it!— do you want him to hide his values and become a hypocrite, a lier, a man who won’t stand his ground.  His personal beliefs and party policy, two different things all together…...   

      Carbon emission Pledges.  China 40-45%, India 20-25% USA 17% and Australia 5%.  (per SBS news) I would hardly called Rudd progressive with climate change. he wont stop coal power (vested interests)  Regardless of who our PM is international pressure will result in climate change action.

    • Voxpop says:

      11:12am | 02/02/10

      Katie please read my post about his personal beliefs and party policy NOT being two different things - cheers. 
      Also his principles keep changing - first he supported 6 months paid maternity leave and now he doesn’t.  First he said climate change was crap now he claims to be environmentalist - the guy is a deceiving populist clown and like many christians believes he is morally superior - yet he’s also a hypoctrite on sex before marriage - spectacularly so since he was training for priesthood.

      I agree with your second paragraph, especially “Regardless of who our PM is international pressure will result in climate change action” - Rudd should go higher than 5% but sadly negotiated down to try and get coalition support.  Abbott has no answer on this issue and he’s going to get tripped up by trying to appeal to the Nationals base - saying that they can plant trees and sequester soil, but they want compensation (refer to hunger striker etc) and he says no new tax LOL such BS.  He has no real solution because he comes at it from a skeptics angle so only going to fluff around the edges.

    • Peter says:

      03:46pm | 02/02/10

      At the end of the day, it will take just one thing to kill off Tony Abbott - INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS!!

    • Ross L says:

      05:58pm | 17/03/10

      Tony Abbott is complete and utter GRUB !
      Why everyone cannot see through his lies and political banter is beyond me.
      Look at his track record when he was a Howard minister. He was the king of lies and deception. And now he is the opposition leader.
      Keating said, god help us, and I couldnt agree more !
      Whilst he is very clever at bagging the current government he very rarely delivers any alternative ideas himself. Thats because he doesnt have any.
      When has this grub ever agreed with any idea or comment coming from the government.
      He only knows how to oppose or disagree with anything and everything from the Rudd governemnt, what a negative and very dark man !

 

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