As an alternative Prime Minister, former Bulletin journalist Tony Abbott makes a pretty good shock jock. For the second time running Abbott has used his formal budget reply speech not to outline an economic program for Australia but to launch a colourful and energetic but essentially empty political rant about the failures of the Government.

Details, details. Photo: Gary Ramage

That’s not to suggest that the Gillard Government is light on for failures - far from it. There have been plenty and there are now more after Tuesday’s largely uninspiring Federal Budget. To a significant degree, it’s Tony Abbott’s job as Opposition Leader to chronicle those failures. It is, however, also Tony Abbott’s job to explain what he is going to do as Prime Minister. 

As a former journalist, Abbott is prone to one of the most disliked features of the profession – he is much better at critiquing, attacking and denouncing than providing workable alternatives. He has made two formal budget replies as Opposition Leader and both have been criticised. They have sounded more like thundering newspaper columns or talkback radio editorials than economic speeches.

His effort on Thursday was a cut-and-paste job cobbled together from his campaign speeches of last year, wandering way off the fiscal track with his stop-the-boats mantra, to cheers from the spotty-faced Young Liberals dotted about in the public gallery. 

Tony Abbott is either unaware or chooses to ignore the fact that these reply speeches are meant to examine the failings of the Government’s economic statement and then outline an alternative approach.

He was rightly marked down last year when he spent the first 20 minutes of his allotted half hour attacking the then Rudd Government, then offering a lame “watch this space” when it came to the Coalition’s budget measures, saying that shadow treasurer Joe Hockey would fill in the details at the National Press Club at a later date.

Abbott’s speech of last year had a terrific line aimed directly at Kevin Rudd, he of the greatest moral challenge of our time. Abbott said that “over-promising, under-delivering politicians are the cause of so much cynicism in public life”. He was dead right.

The trouble for Abbott is that he’s an under-promiser and an under-deliverer. He explained nothing in his speech last year, and he explained nothing in his speech last week, save for one new measure to cut government red tape for small business.

It wasn’t a budget speech, it was a campaign speech. It was a terrific campaign speech. It was often quite funny. His description of the ludicrously wasteful $308 million set-top box scheme for pensioners as “Building the Entertainment Revolution” was a laugh-out-loud line and a clever swipe at Labor’s management of school stimulus spending.

But at some stage Tony Abbott is going to have to shift beyond political stand-up and invective and spell out his own vision. His failure to do so in either of the budget speeches he has delivered thus far bolsters the sledge from his former colleague Peter Costello that Abbott has no interest in or grasp of economic matters.

It is particularly important for the nation that Tony Abbott get his act together and tell us what he’s going to do as he’s pretty much our nominal prime minister anyway. Most of the polls have the Coalition so far ahead, and Abbott so close to Julia Gillard as preferred PM,  that there seems to be nothing stopping him from defeating this fatally compromised Gillard/Green/Independent Government.

Cheekily requesting that Julia Gillard call an early election to seek a mandate for the carbon tax isn’t going to make Tony Abbott PM. But the one thing which could stop him from becoming PM is being light on detail about policy or evasive as to what his policy intent really is.

Abbott frequently uses the line that the chief role of government should be “to do no harm”. It’s a line which appeals to my libertarian sensibilities, and I am sure that many other Australians also hold the philosophical view that the less governments do, the better the country will generally be. But to a lot of voters it’s a line which may sound suspect or tricky or vague. Abbott has to come clean with us all at some point about what his government would do and what his government wouldn’t do.

At the last election Abbott was on the run from his former self, signing a gimmicky pledge on day one of the campaign saying that the number-one most sacred policy goal of the conservatives, labour market deregulation, was officially off the agenda for this term. At the moment Abbott has not said whether industrial reform would or should be a part of an Abbott Coalition Government if he is elected at the next poll. His alternative vision is wholly framed around not doing things – no carbon tax, no mining tax, no national broadband network.

Clearly it is possible to win office without promising anything. In NSW Barry O’Farrell was swept to a power with the biggest swing in 60 years by simply running on a detail-free but reassuring promise that he wasn’t the NSW Labor Party. O’Farrell had the luxury of being up against a government which had been in for 16 years and had set a world record for ministerial scandal. He was also a political cleanskin who had never been in power or made an unpopular decision. Abbott does not have either of these advantages. He must use the next 12 months to shift beyond the kind of scattergun narkiness which makes a good opening five-minute spray on talkback radio, but tells us nothing about how things would be different if (or when) he is in charge.

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    • Super D says:

      06:12am | 15/05/11

      Ok so Abbott outlines a carefully crafted economic plan of sensible tax reform and spending restraint without the benefit of treasury advice and then the government scraps their own budget and adopts it?  I can’t see how that would ever happen.  More likely the government finds a hypothetical “black hole” to talk about that is of absolutely no relevance whatsoever as it will never actually occur and in government the coalition has the treasury to point out any errors behind closed doors.

      If the Swan era as treasurer has taught us anything, surely its that any muppet can do the job.

      Once again Abbott has denied the government the opportunity to talk about negative hypotheticals and instead must focus on the actual problems they have caused.  I can fully understand why this government doesn’t want to be held to account but good on Tony for doing it.

    • acotrel says:

      09:19am | 15/05/11

      @SuperD So Tony Abbott is paranoid that the government might steal his brilliant ideas?  I just wish he’d give us a peep of even one of them!  He could do himself a lot of good by becoming constructive, however I doubt he is capable of that!

    • Anthony of WA says:

      09:50am | 15/05/11

      Could’nt agree more.We have seen it in the past where the story does become about the hypothetical black hole in the oppositions “planned whatever”. It becomes the story while the government is driving us into a real black hole. The reason the coalition make a better government is the media holds them to account and they know it, and thus do a better job, while the ALP continually gets give a free pass by the press and they have no reason to lift their game. Well I think the public has become aware of how bad the current ALP is. The longer they try and hang in there the worse it is going to get for them, which is too bad because come election we are going to be left without an opposition party.

    • Rosie says:

      10:34am | 15/05/11

      @ Super D

      Well said!

      Why should the leader of the Opposition dance to the tune of the Labor Gillard Govt? Give them what they want - you must be joking????

      David Penberthy why not both, PM to provide strong leadership for good governance and political commentator to beat you guys at your game. Give him a chance and allow the Australian people to decide whether his is better than the lying Julia Gillard. Only can be done if we hold Election asap.

      His job is to replace this non-working Minority Govt and the way he is going about it is being welcomed by the majority of Australians. Some of us have stopped listening to a wasteful incompetent Govt who is taking from Paul to pay Peter for them to survive the full term.

    • pmat says:

      11:06am | 15/05/11

      Groan. Seriously? What you’re saying is Abbott cares more about achieving power than having his ideas implemented, not that he has any. That’s not surprising really, and pretty much explains why the Liberals twist and blow with the wind.

    • Phil says:

      12:22pm | 15/05/11

      acotrel. Surely someone as one eyed as you are would concede that Kevin 07 adopted most of John Howards policies except for Kioto and Workchoices. As soon as they were elected most could see they were out of their depth and no longer had anyone to copy.

      Last year the opposition when Hockey spoke at the press club gave details about savings and guess what the government adopted more than a couple of them.

      Swanny is clearly out of his depth and looking for anyone to copy. The opposition doesnt need to give exact dollar and cents savings but outlined 50 billion odd before the last election. I dont think they would abandon many of those, so labor has a the list as do treasury.

      As for the author, who it is abviously now in his personal interests to attack Abbott and the coalition, rather than rightfully attack the lying labor party and its bunch of no hoper ex union thugs pushing the either you agree with us or you are a loony line.

    • Scumbag says:

      01:40pm | 15/05/11

      @ Rosie, you’ve got those coloured glasses on again, mon cheri’, as well as ‘the third eye’; (always stop at the second pour. The last contains skin and dregs). There ought to be a new political party, endorsed by both major parties, with the blessing of the Indies, called the Minority Party. Then you will get a Minority report. Cheers babe.

    • Mark says:

      02:12pm | 15/05/11

      @Super D The reality is that Abbott has virutally no intelligent things to say.

      He has no vision, no economic ideas.

      Bring back Turnbull and then we might have a viable alternative.

      Until then we are stuck with an average performing government. But they are better than the “shock jock” alternative.

    • dd says:

      02:48pm | 15/05/11

      Abbott is correct to point out this government’s colossal failures, the MSM will not -so someone has to. Rember Kevi07’s ME TOO!ME TOO!Anything worthwhile would be pinched and rebadged as being the ALP’s bright ideas. Abbott would be plain stupid to put his policies out in the open.He is doing well.

    • Seano says:

      03:15pm | 15/05/11

      If Abbott’s ideas are so brilliant then surely he should share them.

      After all aren’t both sides in it for the good of Australia and all Australians? If his ideas get stolen he wins all the way around.

      1. Australia is better off.
      2. The idea is on the public record to which he can honestly point and claim credit.
      3. He gets to pound Labor for being reliant on him for ideas.

      It’s such a weak argument that Abbott has all these brilliant ideas but he is keeping his powder dry. If he doesn’t get elected his “brilliant” ideas die with him.

    • Debra says:

      05:48pm | 15/05/11

      When those that call themselves Scumbag have nonsensical digs at people like ‘Rosie’ you know you are on the winning side. Have no fear if you have been unfairly treated here. Look at the big picture and you will realize you are in the same boat as Tony Abbott. Keep doing whatever you are doing because the more you are hated, the more certainty of your wishes being granted which is Tony Abbott, Australia’s next PM.

    • Norther Steve says:

      09:26pm | 15/05/11

      Hey Seano,
      Labor can’t implement its own policies correctly.  Why would Abbott want to put his policies out there to get pinched and then screwed up?

    • Ryan says:

      11:14pm | 15/05/11

      @ Steve

      What policies ?

      Seano is right. That is such a weak argument, and is just an excuse for the fact that Abbott doesn’t have any ideas.

    • Seano says:

      11:41pm | 15/05/11

      Norther Steve - you guys are a laugh.So he can fix them when he comes into office? Way to extend a weak argument with a weaker argument.

      If Abbott has so many brilliant ideas why is he putting his own election ambitions ahead of the good of Australia?

    • Chris L says:

      02:28am | 16/05/11

      To be fair, I’d like to point out that the whole “me too” saga began with Howard trying to adopt Rudd’s focus on the internet and medical care. If it’s OK for the Coalition to take their cues from the other side I think it’s only fair for the other side to follow suit.

      Also, decrying Penbo and the MSM as being one sided to the left shows a comprehension failure. Much of this article was pointing out how easy it should be to defeat the current government and the rest was encouragement for Mr Abbott to just become a little bit constructive in order to present a viable alternative.

      If you’re happy voting for a party that doesn’t seem to have a plan then fair enough, I guess there’s no point changing the habit of a lifetime. However, I recommend looking at what each party proposes, and perhaps looking at those lesser known alternatives, and actually making a decision based on what they plan rather than what you’re accustomed to doing.

      I’ll be looking at the LDP, the Australian Secular Party and (don’t judge them by their name) the Sex Party with an eye toward encouraging a better direction for this country. Of course, if none of these manage to impress me any more than the majors I may give my first donkey vote in my life.

    • acotrel says:

      08:52am | 16/05/11

      @Phil Are we all living on the same planet?  I’ve never heard Abbott utter anything which would give me any confidence in him, and certainly noithing ever worth copying.  If he has something positive to contribute, let him come out with it, declare it publicly.  And if it gets copied, he can claim credit for his brilliant idea!  What we are talking about is bullshit that’s beyond Abbott’s capability! Yes Kevin Rudd probably copied some of Howard’s ideas.  Tony Abbott must!  He is bereft of any positive and constructive ideas of his own!

    • Ryan says:

      11:02am | 16/05/11

      @Ryan & Seano: There is one thing that is a stand out right here, the public know that the coalition are better economic managers, they have a track record of paying off record Labor debt, not once has Labor ever paid off its own debt let alone that of any party left behind.
      Fact is that Abbott doesn’t have to sell the economic credentials of the Coalition, its a given.
      Why help out this bunch of floundering economic illiterate, big spending morons in the argument that “Australia is better off”. Australia would be better off without this bunch of incompetent liars called the Labor party, and the polls show that. If this incompetent bunch running the worst government in history cared enough to put Australia first ahead of their own political aspirations then they would call an election and the result would make Australia better off.

    • Seano says:

      11:58am | 16/05/11

      @Rhetoric Ryan

      “Fact is that Abbott doesn’t have to sell the economic credentials of the Coalition, its a given.”

      Oh please spare me the right wing rhetoric.Howard’s was one of the highest taxing governments ever.

      If Abbott has an idea in his head then the decent thing to do would be to share it for the betterment of all Australia instead of holding on to it to improve his election chances. A very poor sense of priority for someone supposedly wanting to serve Australia.

      It’s a pretence and an obvious one, Abbott’s not releasing ideas because he none.

    • Charles says:

      02:23pm | 16/05/11

      No Dumbo, the people will see that he is ready for government and reflect this at the next election. Just like NSW, if we continue cutting him sluk, the next election will Abbott elected without ever proving that he is capable to lead. Being an effective NO person does not mean he will be a good PM. As a media commentator said over the weekend, Abbott is a good oppositionist opposition leader.

    • Ryan says:

      02:47pm | 16/05/11

      @ Ryan

      They just did. Last August.

      The Coalition lost. Remember?

    • Ryan says:

      05:12pm | 16/05/11

      @Ryan: an election based on a big fat lie buddy, and no they didn’t loose, they just didn’t backhand enough.

    • Rick says:

      05:14pm | 16/05/11

      Tonys one greatest failure…............................He failed to get elected.

    • RyaN says:

      06:05pm | 16/05/11

      @Seano: sadly for you, facts based on actual delivery and historical accuracy are not rhetoric. Still waiting for Labor to return a surplus, let alone pay off that ridiculous 150 billion dollar sized debt.

    • Seano says:

      07:20pm | 16/05/11

      @RyaN - You’re honestly going to tell me that returning surpluses during boom economic times is a great acheivement. You’re honestly going to tell me that our debt as compared to our GDP is in any way significant.

      Rhetoric and little more.


      PS. NIce touch the way you suck up to another right wing troll with capitalisation…so cringeworthy.

    • Ryan says:

      07:44pm | 16/05/11

      @ Ryan

      Yes, they did. They loosed (sic).

    • RyaN says:

      11:45am | 17/05/11

      @Seano: are you going to try and claim that our debt isn’t significant like the mining boom is going to last forever. No wonder you Labor lot always leave the country with so much debt to deal with, incompetent and completely unrealistic.

    • Seano says:

      01:04pm | 17/05/11

      @RyaN - The debt is insignificant as measured against GDP, there’s a clear plan in place to clear the debt in a short period of time (can’t be too significant if it can be paid off that quickly) and we are on the cusp of another mining boom. All of which shows that all you know about economics is LNP rhetoric.

    • Geoff says:

      02:29pm | 18/05/11

      Seano - where is the plan to repay the debt?  By which year will Labor have paid off the debt?  Evidence please.  The hypothetical surplus in 2013 is only just better than breaking even for the year, it doesn’t pay back the $150Billion+ debt accrued by the Labor Govt.

    • LeftRightOut says:

      06:36am | 15/05/11

      Like most media commentators, you (Penbo) criticise Abbott for his approach, yet he (Abbot) has destroyed one Prime Minister, and it would appear he has now ruined a second.
      I think, that whatever the collective of interested journo’s think, is probably the exact opposite of what is the truth. You guys are an excellent contrarian political compass.

      Clearly Abbot’s approach is working, and the press gallery can’t stand it. This latter point in itself, is something that most people find pleasing. Journalism has been relegated to lower than used car salesmen.

    • acotrel says:

      09:20am | 15/05/11

      ’ he (Abbot) has destroyed one Prime Minister’
      With help of his friends in the mining industry!

    • BobM says:

      09:47am | 15/05/11

      acotrel is out of bed early this morning and busy defending his goddess.

    • C1 says:

      11:23am | 15/05/11

      To both Left RO and Acotrel,

      I would actually say Labor actually destroyed one PM. They were the one’s who tapped him on the shoulder (with a kitchen knife).

    • The Galah from Hervey Bay says:

      01:35pm | 15/05/11

      C1   :    ..........and why do you think Labor tapped Rudd onthe shoulder
      (with a kitchen knife )  ?
      Hmmm ?
      Because Tony Abbott absolutely destroyed Rudd and Labor was left with no choice.

    • michael j says:

      02:38pm | 15/05/11

      Abbot had nothing at all to do with Rudd’S demise
      the Mines that can’t pay TAX,but can threaten the Government
      with a $ 200 million Add campaign during the Election,
      worked though,,,

    • LeftRightOut says:

      07:38pm | 15/05/11

      Well, Labor kind of did destroy themselves, and are now doing it all over again. Whichever way you look at it, Abbot has no reason to change his MO. Because Penbo says to? I doubt it, because Labor say so, not a chance…
      Abbot’s popularity is still [relatively] low, but Rudd, and now Gillard, can only spin themselves out of so much doo doo.
      The utter incompetence of this government is well and truly accepted in the wider community - Labor are finished for at least a decade, and mores the pitty. We need old Labor types like Hawke, Keating etc… they were dudes you could vote for.

    • Rosie says:

      10:16pm | 15/05/11

      @ Leftrightout

      “Labor are finished for at least a decade”

      Last time I checked they’d won the last two elections.

    • Mark says:

      08:05am | 16/05/11

      @I think and I vote: Obviously you don’t think too hard . Slogan, Slogan, Slogan, its all Abbotts got. Unfortunately it seems to work.

    • depressed says:

      02:18pm | 16/05/11

      “destroyed one Prime Minister” should read “destroyed Australian politics” (or at least helped give it a good shove over the edge).

      Hyper-partisan politics, appealling to bigotry, fueling people’s anger for political gain… these tactics have been so successful in the US that the government is effectively paralysed and operates for the benefit of special interests only. 

      Although these have occurred to some extent previously, the Libs under the leadership of TA seem to pretty much use destruction their sole strategy.  No point arguing this - it has been their stated goal to “force” an election at any cost.

      Such tactics can be sucessful in the short term (see the rise of the “negative” political campaigns - the US will show us where we are headed…) but it is a short game only.  Devaluing the government, accusing the public service of being partisan, encouraging cynicism in the electorate etc simply means that when the Libs get in (as the Labor/Liberal merry-go-round continues), the Libs will simply be handed a poisoned chalice. 

      Their actions will rightly be able to be compared to Rudd/Gillard and (assuming the MSM are consistent) they should be equally unpopular as constant news of “rorts’, waste and mismanagement arises. Remember that Howard wasted more on Defence and Telstra alone than Rudd/Gillard have even been accused of (let alone actually wasted) in the entire stimulus.

      The cycle will continue, albeit a downward one…

      Geez, depressing.  hope I’m overreacting here.

    • JB says:

      03:46pm | 16/05/11

      @ Depressing, my thoughts exactly!

      I actually think Tony Abbott, Opposition Leader, is much the same as Kevin Rudd, Opposition Leader was. Light on promises or detail, skilled in manipulating the media etc. You only have to look at what happened to Rudd when the public realised he couldn’t deliver for a preview of what might happen if Abbott gets into power. Tony Abbott isn’t a bad leader because he’s unsuccessful, he’s a bad leader because he doesn’t lead. Unfortunately, right now it’s a lesser of two evils situation and there isn’t a real alternative.

    • Edward James says:

      06:58am | 15/05/11

      I have yet to pay any attention to the Federal Budget or the Budget Reply. I expect bits and pieces to filter down in time. The Liberal Coalition is the other half of the two parties not much preferred, Being the alternate is why they swept to power in NSW. I expect those who have had enough and voted for change on March 27, to keep in their minds. The fact that the shrinking number of politically inbred Labor Party members. Who support preselection of the same lousy party members to Local, State and Federal electorates time and time again. Are a big part of the problem, consider Milton the horrible Orkopolous, his ignorant fellow Labor party members with preselection kept him in government for years no one really believes no one knew what his go was!.Other MP’s who rorted the pay arrangements conspired with Labor Party people to do it. No criminal charges have be prosecuted on behalf of the taxpayers.  Labor have only tried to tell voters they have changed. But we know their talk is cheap especially from dead beat politicians. We have a lot of work to do to finish doing to Labor what these selfish party members have been doing to this country at the Local, State and Federal levels of government for far too long. Like a bad habit we need to change it.  The Liberal National Coalition just happens to be the best tool for the job right now. In the long term we need to get the political message across to new politicians. The way Labor has rolled for so long is not acceptable anymore not from Labor or any other party either. We the people do have the power to dismantle the dysfunctional political parties which have run this country into a fiscal ditch, by putting their parties before the Australian constituents. We just need to follow through with very public malice aforethought!  Edward James

    • Amused says:

      07:02am | 15/05/11

      Unfortunately, this current government is that short of ideas, to give them any good ones to use in a budget reply speech is lunacy.

      Let’s see them come up with more of their own ideas, thanks!

    • Steve Smith says:

      09:37am | 15/05/11

      Amused
      Tony Abbott is even shorter of ideas,all he is accustomed to, and knows how to do best is to be an attack dog.
      He was John Howard’s attack dog during the Former Liberal Prime Minister’s reign in Government,but unfortunately he hasn’t to be retrained to be anything else.
      He has no policies or ideas of his own so he attacks other political parties that have.
      He has no ideas, no clues, no real direction or purpose in the political arena, opposing everything,but giving and contributing no alternative proposals in return.
      As for the budget reply speech, it gave nothing to really entice intelligent people to vote for him,it was a full on attack on the current Government and Prime Minister,but failed to deliver what alternatives that the Opposition had in mind.
      What does Tony Abbott and the Liberal party really stand for?, he has failed big time to show the Australian people why he would make a better Prime Minister.
      He has failed to show how the Liberal party (being the alternative choice of government) would deliver a surplus in less time than the ALP, if they were in Government, he has failed to show or explain what cutbacks they would make to be able to deliver a surplus in record time, or is their claim and boasts just as hollow as they are.?
      The Labor party and other political parties do not have to steal Tony Abbott’s ideas because they have their own.
      Besides,how can they steal ideas or policies from Tony Abbott when he hasn’t got any to begin with.
      Tony Abbott’s method of continually attacking the Government and objecting to everything and anything proposed by the current Government is simply to disguise the fact that he has no ideas and no policies himself.
      The man is empty of ideas,policies and logical debate and is a perfect example of an old proverb, “Empty vessels make the most sound”

    • Gordicans says:

      07:38pm | 15/05/11

      @ Amused, Name one single original idea that Abbott has expoused since he has been opposition leader.  He is being propped up by News Limited pure and simple, and is more interested in achieving power than what is good for the country.  It will be a tradgedy if this guys ever gets into power.  Not that I am a fan of the current government, I am not.  But if they can roll out the NBN and get the C02 tax happening, then atleast something has been achieved.

    • Northern Steve says:

      09:34pm | 15/05/11

      @Steve Smith - TLDR. Didn’t you post this same dribble in another article this week?
      @Gordicans - I would say the jury is still out on whether they can implement either the NBN or the carbon tax.  The NBN is just too damn expensive, even more so than Labor thought, and the carbon tax will have to get through parliament with the support of the Greens AND the independents.  Last time the Greens voted against it because it wasn’t tough enough, and the independents will be watching their votoing base very carefully,
      As for original ideas, I’m pretty hopeful that Abbott will ahve success in overturning the Wild Rivers legislation that Bligh put in to grab the inner city green vote at the last state election.

    • Mark says:

      08:13am | 16/05/11

      @Gordicans, “He (Abbott) ..... is more interested in achieving power than what is good for the country.”

      Well said - I often think this is the slogan the current Government should run (because its true). Abbott appeals to and encourages the worst in people (and he knows it!). I am also no fan of Gillard but at least she’s not Abbott!

    • Steve Putnam says:

      07:35am | 15/05/11

      “...it is a tale
      Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
      Signifying nothing.”

    • Seano says:

      07:44am | 15/05/11

      I’ve been saying this about Abbott for years, spite and nastiness isn’t an alternative and it will be the thing that keeps him out of office. Dissatisfaction with Labor will not automatically turn into votes for the LNP lead by Abbott because he is so personally disliked and untrusted (something he’s well and truly earned). An LNP under Hockey or Turnbull might well be worth consideration for many of those swing and dissatisfied voters, but now with a poll lead they’ll likely stick with Abbott and follow him right off the cliff.

    • BobM says:

      08:33am | 15/05/11

      Juliar’s the one who is leading her party off a cliff and into the wilderness for the next 20 years. I can’t wait till the next polls come out - if it starts with a 2, voters will start agitating to our scrawnbag (but well dressed) GG to end the farce, waste, lying and incompetence. And don’t expect Malcolm Turnbull or Joe Hockey to save Juliar - Tones has got her on the ropes!
      And why should TA give her dumbarse government any hints or tips anyway?

    • Seano says:

      10:07am | 15/05/11

      Not only have you missed the point of the article you’ve demonstrated in doing so highlighted exactly Tony’s problem with the electorate (“Juliar”). You also obviously have a poor grasp of how our constitutional democracy works.

    • TCB 24 X 7 says:

      10:27am | 15/05/11

      BobM,
      Correct gillard and co are continuing to destroy the Labor Brand.
      The latest being is that they are now into HumanTrading.
      The disastor to Labor in NSW is evident that gillard and co are going to set Labor back for a long Time.
      Deposing gillard is starting to look like a Viable option by Labor think tanks, to have any chance of Success at the next election.
      I think that possibility has crossed their minds.

    • TimB says:

      10:29am | 15/05/11

      “Dissatisfaction with Labor will not automatically turn into votes for the LNP lead by Abbott because he is so personally disliked and untrusted (something he’s well and truly earned). “

      Already has. Look at the polls.

      See you at the next election.Bring a tissue.

    • Seano says:

      02:02pm | 15/05/11

      Polls aren’t votes genius. Keep ingoring the issues because snide comments are real election winners…they obviously were last time.

    • jf says:

      02:22pm | 15/05/11

      “he is so personally disliked and untrusted’

      By you Seano. Why exactly, other than that he is a Catholic, you have never said.
      “something he’s well and truly earned”

      Again, I am genuinely perplexed by this comment. I’ve asked you before Seano and, having never had an answer, ask again. Why?

    • Seano says:

      02:53pm | 15/05/11

      jf - when have I ever attacked Abbott over his religion? You’re the first to burst into tears over strawman arguments and the first to set them up.

      As far Abbott being untrustworthy are you talking about scripted or “unscripted comments?

    • TimB says:

      02:58pm | 15/05/11

      Polls are indicative of trends in votes. I won’t call you a genius, even sarcastically, because you’re the farthest thing from one.

      Keep wallowing in denial though. It’s going to be fun watching you attempt to come up with an exucse as to why Tony is PM after the next election.

      Oh and answer jf’s question too. I’m curious as to why you think your opinion is somehow reflective of Australian’s at large when you’ve got no evidence to back you up.

      And don’t bother quote the last election at me, far more people were in favour of Tony Abbott than they were Gillard. It was Green preferences that saved her last time. They won’t the next time around. Too many swinging voters moving from the ALP to the LNP for that.

    • Seano says:

      03:43pm | 15/05/11

      @Timmy -

      “Polls are indicative of trends in votes.”

      Polls are meaningless this far out. Polls have been wrong before and they will be again. Tony didn’t win the last election despite the polls.

      “I won’t call you a genius, even sarcastically, because you’re the farthest thing from one.”

      LMAO….coming from one of the dullest of the right wing ranters that doesn’t mean a whole lot.

      “Keep wallowing in denial though. It’s going to be fun watching you attempt to come up with an exucse as to why Tony is PM after the next election.”

      Like you did when Abbott didn’t become the last PM champ?

      “Oh and answer jf’s question too. I’m curious as to why you think your opinion is somehow reflective of Australian’s at large when you’ve got no evidence to back you up. “

      Anoher moronic strawman argument. My opinion is reflective of my opinion and I’m not the only one who thinks that no ideas and nasty rhetoric is a problem for Abbott (try reading the article champ). The arrogant stupidity of an atypical right wing hive mind thinker is always amusing, umm here’s the tip champ this is a blog where people come to share their opinions. And not everyone agrees with your narrow world view learn to accept that.

      “And don’t bother quote the last election at me, far more people were in favour of Tony Abbott than they were Gillard. It was Green preferences that saved her last time. They won’t the next time around. Too many swinging voters moving from the ALP to the LNP for that. “

      Takes a real hero to only want to play when the game is fixed.

    • nihonin says:

      04:05pm | 15/05/11

      Seano, as all Labor ministers say when interviewed (same as the PM on The Insiders this morning, but, but Tony Abbott), personally I don’t give a ‘vote’ what Abbott is doing atm, the Liberal party aren’t in government.  Why does the current ad hoc government keep deflecting, are they so ashamed or useless that it’s easier to play ‘look over there, a pigeon’.

    • TimB says:

      04:31pm | 15/05/11

      “Polls are meaningless this far out “

      Then why do they have them then Seano? Sorry but no matter how much you want to believe it, polls aren’t entirely meaningless. Or have you alreay forgotton why Rudd was rolled?

      “Polls have been wrong before and they will be again.”

      Yes they have. Do you honestly believe these ones are *all* wrong though? Do you honestly think the ALP has nothing to worry about?

      Say it then Seano. Right here and now. Say that you believe the current polls are wrong, and that the LNP will NOT win the next election under Abbott.

      “My opinion is reflective of my opinion and I’m not the only one who thinks that no ideas and nasty rhetoric is a problem for Abbott (try reading the article champ). “

      Never said you were the only one. I have said though, that I believe you remain a minority. You’re the one who seems to think that *enough* people agree with you to make this statement true “but now with a poll lead they’ll likely stick with Abbott and follow him right off the cliff. “

      The cognotive dissonance required for you to simultaneously point out that Abbott has a poll lead, yet also claim that he’s going to to somehow turn off enough voters to lead the LNP to defeat boggles the mind.

      Like I said before, do you truly believe the current polls are garbage? That those numbers are going to magically reverse at election time simply because Tony Abbott is Tony Abbott?

      As long as things continue as they are, with Labor lurching from one policy disaster to the next, Tony doesn’t need to do anything other than what he’s doing now. He’s got the next election in the bag.

      “Takes a real hero to only want to play when the game is fixed.”

      Sounds like an admission that I’m right. You *don’t* have any evidence to prove that your opinion is reflected among Australians at large.

      And FYI, I don’t mind dissenting opinions. And I don’t mind you or anyone else posting them. But I will expose and ridicule the weak ones. Deal.

    • jf says:

      04:35pm | 15/05/11

      Seano says:

      02:53pm | 15/05/11

      “jf - when have I ever attacked Abbott over his religion? You’re the first to burst into tears over strawman arguments and the first to set them up.”

      If you are suggesting that I take umbrage when someone misrepresents my position then you are right. However, misrepresenting or plain lying seems to be the only way you can respond.

      For instance, thanks to the magic of google, I have you a couple of quick Seano quotes on the topic of Abbott and religion: 

      “The point remains (drawing the picture) that the concerns about Abbott, his religious views”; and

      “genuine concerns about Abbott’s more extreme religious views”; and

      “Channelling Jesus was probably the dumbest thing Abbott has done”.

      I haven’t decided whether your comment was a lie or a misrepresentation as it seems to contain a little of both.

      “As far Abbott being untrustworthy are you talking about scripted or “unscripted comments?”

      Either or mate. Just give me some examples of his “spite”, nastiness”, untrustworthiness”. For instance, has he ever made a statement about a significant policy and then done the opposite when in government? Or, has he ever orchestrated the execution of an elected first-term PM (actually, to make it easier, make it any term)? Has he ever represented himself as having a position on religion and done the opposite (for instance, like an atheist introducing chaplains into government schools)? Anything. Champ.

    • Ben81 says:

      04:43pm | 15/05/11

      Don’t worry Tim just let Seano go full Baghdad Bob on us, it’s funnier with every passing week and every poll.

    • Eddie says:

      05:37pm | 15/05/11

      @ TimB

      “Tony doesn’t need to do anything other than what he’s doing now. He’s got the next election in the bag.”

      That’s what you said last time. ROFLMAO.

    • Seano says:

      05:45pm | 15/05/11

      jf - Only a complete moron would not be able to see the difference between questioning Abbott’s views, religious or otherwise and attacking him because he is Catholic.

      Tiny Timmy -

      “Sounds like an admission that I’m right. You *don’t* have any evidence to prove that your opinion is reflected among Australians at large. “

      Obviously there’s no point arguing with someone moronic enough to ignore that I’ve repeatedly stated that my opinion is my opinion. I mean just how dumb do you have to be to ignore what I’ve actually said and think that attacking what I haven’t is some sort of clever argument?

      @Ben81 - you’re sometimes above the low trolling of the moron squad, shame you have nothing to contribute today.

    • MarK says:

      06:05pm | 15/05/11

      lol seano is one mad bro

    • Luvvy says:

      06:20pm | 15/05/11

      Heartland Malbin has disowned Labor and their trolls just attack Abbott like the rabid dog losers they are,Seano is top of the rabid list right next to that lying filthy Barren Gillard

    • Seano says:

      07:40pm | 15/05/11

      @MarK

      “lol seano is one mad bro”

      Better than being dumb…bro.

      @Luvvy - It takes a special kind of delusional lunacy to post a lowlife troll comment whilst claiming other people are trolls. Well done.

    • TimB says:

      07:55pm | 15/05/11

      @ Eddie ,who the f**k are you? (Badger perhaps? AASQ?). And when did I ever say that?

      Go ahead. Post a link. Bet you can’t.

      @ Seano- Ben is right. Baghdad Bob you are. Yes, your opinion is your opinion. You opinion is also wrong.

      Take no notice of those tanks in the background.

    • Seano says:

      08:45pm | 15/05/11

      @Tiny Little Timmy - Your opinion of my opinion isn’t worth a piece of shit.

    • MarK says:

      08:50pm | 15/05/11

      “Seano says:

      07:40pm | 15/05/11

      @MarK

      “lol seano is one mad bro”

      Better than being dumb…bro.”

      Yep

      He mad

    • jf says:

      08:56pm | 15/05/11

      Seano says: 05:45pm | 15/05/11
      “jf - Only a complete moron would not be able to see the difference between questioning Abbott’s views, religious or otherwise and attacking him because he is Catholic.”

      Oh Seano. You are one funny bugger. You have drawn some pretty long bows in your time but this is the longest yet (that I’ve seen).

      Still no reasons for your inexplicable hatred of Tony Abbott though.

    • Darren K says:

      09:01pm | 15/05/11

      @Ben81 “Baghdad Bob” - “They’re not even [within] 100 miles [of Baghdad]. They are not in any place. They hold no place in Iraq. This is an illusion ... they are trying to sell to the others an illusion.” LOL - What a perfect description of Seano…Clearly delusional

    • Northern Ste says:

      09:55pm | 15/05/11

      I reckon we start a book on how bad the polls have to go before Seano disappears from this site.  I’m taking 29% primary vote for the ALP and Seano goes all invisible on us.

    • Seano says:

      11:27pm | 15/05/11

      @Mark

        Yep

        He dumb.

    • Seano says:

      11:34pm | 15/05/11

      jf -

      “Oh Seano. You are one funny bugger. You have drawn some pretty long bows in your time but this is the longest yet (that I’ve seen).”

      Not only do you not have the intellect to understand the idea that someone might challenge some ones views but defend their right to hold them (after all that’s what you and the other right wing trolls are all about, shouting down those who would disagree).

      But I see you’ve also missed the point of this article, brilliant.

      “Still no reasons for your inexplicable hatred of Tony Abbott though.”

      You’ve been given plenty of reasons champ, ignoring what I’ve said is no more an argument than is making it up. Who do you think you’re convincing other than other right wing loons?

    • Seano says:

      11:38pm | 15/05/11

      Darren K - thankyou for your non-contribution, you should be so proud.

      Northern Ste - When you’re around alot the right wing trolls scream
      “get a life” when you’e not around they scream “scared”. Besides rhetoric and spin the only thing we can be sure of is that right wing trolls don’t like differing opinions and therefore clearly have a low opinion of democracy.

    • MarK says:

      12:26am | 16/05/11

      “I’m taking 29% primary vote for the ALP and Seano goes all invisible on us.”

      Awwwww. I like playing with seano. He is sort of like Badger only with more stupid attached.

    • TimB says:

      06:28am | 16/05/11

      jf, I think you’re onto something there. Seano’s big important vote swinger at the NSW election was the issue of ethics classes.

      Whilst I agree that the idea of students who wern’t doing religious education sitting around wasting time instead of doing something useful is stupid, to Seano it wasn’t just stupid. It was a deal breaker when it came to his vote.

      Why was this issue, when laid against important stuff like transport, power prices, etc such big a deal to him? Because it apparently signified that the ‘NSW religious Right’ had too much control over poor Barry.

      Exactly what nefarious policy Seano thought they intended to enact with this control, I have no idea. He refused to tell me when I asked the question. But whatever horror scenario he concocted in his head was apparently horrific enough to stop him voting for the Liberals until they revised their ethics class policy.

      So no jf, I don’t think it’s too far a stretch to presume that an anti-religious attitude plays a big part in Seano’s voting decision process. If one was feeling uncharitable, one could describe Seano with the same word he likes to throw around when pretending to be morally superior….what was that word again?

      Oh yeah: Bigot.

    • jf says:

      07:30am | 16/05/11

      Seano says: 11:34pm | 15/05/11

      “Not only do you not have the intellect to understand the idea that someone might challenge some ones views but defend their right to hold them”

      Righto, on the topic of intellect, what I said, in response to your comment that “he is so personally disliked and untrusted” was “why, other than that he is a Catholic”.

      Now, firstly, your response “when have I ever attacked Abbott over his religion” is a classic Seano straw man response.

      That is, you misrepresented my question about why you didn’t dislike him as a statement that you “attacked” him. It’s far easier to argue that you’ve never “attacked” him than that you don’t like him because of, amongst other things, his religion.

      Secondly, leaving aside that fact that you frequently attack him on a wide range of issues including religion (as is your right) and that is, at best, disingenuous for you to state otherwise it is clear that you don’t like him. It is also clear that one of the reasons you don’t like him is because of his religion, which is Catholic.

      Thus, my first question is fair, accurate and substantiated by direct quotes from you.

      Only a moron would think that they could misrepresent my original comment, argue the second point and that no-one would notice.

      “after all that’s what you and the other right wing trolls are all about, shouting down those who would disagree”

      Apart from the hysterical irony of you accusing others of “shouting down those who would disagree”, post one single quote from me that is right wing? One. Champ. Or is simply easier to classify me as someone with extreme right wing views and then debate views that I don’t in fact hold.

    • jf says:

      07:30am | 16/05/11

      Seano says: 11:34pm | 15/05/11

      “Not only do you not have the intellect to understand the idea that someone might challenge some ones views but defend their right to hold them”

      Righto, on the topic of intellect, what I said, in response to your comment that “he is so personally disliked and untrusted” was “why, other than that he is a Catholic”.

      Now, firstly, your response “when have I ever attacked Abbott over his religion” is a classic Seano straw man response.

      That is, you misrepresented my question about why you didn’t dislike him as a statement that you “attacked” him. It’s far easier to argue that you’ve never “attacked” him than that you don’t like him because of, amongst other things, his religion.

      Secondly, leaving aside that fact that you frequently attack him on a wide range of issues including religion (as is your right) and that is, at best, disingenuous for you to state otherwise it is clear that you don’t like him. It is also clear that one of the reasons you don’t like him is because of his religion, which is Catholic.

      Thus, my first question is fair, accurate and substantiated by direct quotes from you.

      Only a moron would think that they could misrepresent my original comment, argue the second point and that no-one would notice.

      “after all that’s what you and the other right wing trolls are all about, shouting down those who would disagree”

      Apart from the hysterical irony of you accusing others of “shouting down those who would disagree”, post one single quote from me that is right wing? One. Champ. Or is simply easier to classify me as someone with extreme right wing views and then debate views that I don’t in fact hold.

    • Seano says:

      08:19am | 16/05/11

      @MarK - why do you bother champ…your little troll comments are meaningless and moronic as are you.

      @Tim

      “jf, I think you’re onto something there. Seano’s big important vote swinger at the NSW election was the issue of ethics classes.

      Whilst I agree that the idea of students who wern’t doing religious education sitting around wasting time instead of doing something useful is stupid, to Seano it wasn’t just stupid. It was a deal breaker when it came to his vote. “

      You should change your name to “Dishonest TimB”.
      Lets just nip this in the bud now champ. I said that if O’Farrell changes his stance on Ethics classes AND articulates some sensible policy then I would vote for him. I voted for O’Farrell after he issued his promise to widen the M5 moron.

      I’m not about to bother with your drivel further. How childish, gutless, stupid and weak are you that you are so frighten by my ideas that you have to follow me around and misrepresent them?


      @jf - scanned your moronic drivel. Semantic football is not an argument either champ.

      I have repeatedly stated valid criticisms of Abbott and attacked him over his views not over his right to hold them. I’ll give you a mini-synopsis of why I dislike Abbott not that it will matter you’ll only misrepresent, ignore and pose moronically stupid and irrelevant questions as if you or they have any meaning, I’m sure you think that’s a brilliant tactic…it isn’t.

      Abbott is nor fit to be PM because of his admitted lack of honesty, his lack of ideas, his constant mindless nasty rhetoric, his constant attacks on refugees and the most disadvantaged in society, his more extreme religious views and poor attitude to women, contraception etc. His history of non-delivery in office and the fact that he not only helped architect work"choices” but championed it long after the public resoundingly said No.

      You can continue to pretend that there are no good reasons for disliking Abbott if that helps you sleep. You and your hive mind cronies can continue to try to shout down people with differing opinions and ignore the point of this article at your own peril.

    • TimB says:

      08:41am | 16/05/11

      I haven’t misrepresented anything.

      ” I said that if O’Farrell changes his stance on Ethics classes AND articulates some sensible policy then I would vote for him. I voted for O’Farrell after he issued his promise to widen the M5 moron.:”

      Do you know what the definition of “AND” is? Here’s a hint. It’s not the same as “Or”.

      IF O’Farrell had pledged to widen the M5, but *stuck* with his policy on Ethics classes you, by *your own admission* wouldn’t have voted LNP.

      The ethics classes were, by your own words, a dealbreaker. Your attempts to backpedal and cry foul about “misrepresentation” are pathetic.

    • Seano says:

      10:31am | 16/05/11

      First. You don’t understand the importance of Barry taking a stance on Ethics classes, I’ve explained it before but obviously it’s beyond your tiny intellect so there’s little point discussing it with you.

      Second. You intentionally left out the important part of my comment which was that Barry release some policies. That chump is misrepresentation and that’s what you’re all about.

      Misrepresenting the views of people that scare you makes you a troll, but a dumb one.

      Keep analysing my every utterance, keep worshiping at the altar of Seano, I am after all your God.

    • Blue Lou says:

      10:40am | 16/05/11

      @BobM et al…

      You Liberal Party losers make me laugh my arse off with your BS calls for an “uprising” and “let’s have another election” and then saying Abbott is a great leader etc bloody etc.

      And calling the GG “Scrawny” is really going to make her sympathetic to your “cause”. So typical of the bluster and bully tactics the Libs employ… thankfully you tools will be in Opposition for at least another 2 years, and by that time you’ll be exposed to the entire electorate as the silver spoon sucking whiners that you are.

      In the meantime, Gillard is expertly ushering in new reforms and quite rightly not listening to the hysterical minority. Labor has also done a tremendous job of steering this country through the GFC, something the Libs had absolutely no clue about. Witness Julie Bishops, “We would have waited to see what happened” quote as a perfect example of their lack of foresight, minimal brain capacity and incompetence.

      And when you take a closer look at the current situation, you should see that the single reason the Libs aren’t in government at the moment is… Tony frikkin Abbott. He couldn’t help himself and had to attack the Independents and offer up stupid $Billion bribes during the negotiations after the last election and, despite their generally right leanings, they couldn’t bring themselves to partner with Abbott. And thank the gods they didn’t… this country would be suffering like never before under the malodorous, boneheaded rabble that call themselves the Opposition. Long may they reign!

      Here’s a call… Tony Abbott will not be Opposition Leader at the next election. Once the Carbon Tax is implemented, it’ll be “See ya Tony, and don’t let the door hit you on the arse on your way out!”

    • jf says:

      11:00am | 16/05/11

      Seano says:

      08:19am | 16/05/11

      You protest that your point has been misunderstood and then when shown that it hasn’t you scream semantics and right wing extremism. The semantic games were started by you when you protested that I had accused you of attacking Abbott for his religious views when I had suggested that one of the reasons you don’t like Abbott is because of his Catholicism. In the context of the discussion it was necessary to (a) demonstrate that I hadn’t said that you “attacked him because of his religious views” and (b) that I was correct when I said that one of the reasons you didn’t like him was because of his Catholicism.

      Your modus operandi is transparent Seano. You respond to a point you don’t like and you misrepresent that position with some facile crap to suit your argument. You start an argument Seano and when you lose you scream semantics.

    • TimB says:

      11:15am | 16/05/11

      No Seano, I left it out because it wasn’t important to the argument.

      FACT- You said you’d vote against the LNP if Barry didn’t satisfy you in regards to ethics classes.
      Who gives a shit what other reasons you had for voting for/against the LNP? It doesn’t matter. We’re focusing on this one. Just because it was one of many ‘dealbreakers’ doesn’t change the fact that it WAS a dealbreaker.
      It’s your pathetic distraction tactics that are the true misrepresentation here.

      “You don’t understand the importance of Barry taking a stance on Ethics classes,”

      The last time you explained it,  you said it was important because it meant that “religious right” had too much power over LNP policy. Just like I reiterated in my prior post. 

      So answer the question, and stop avoiding it. What exactly is it you were so afraid of the “religious right” doing?

    • Seano says:

      11:49am | 16/05/11

      “No Seano, I left it out because it wasn’t important to the argument.”

      No you left it out because you wanted to misrepresent my position as being based one issue. You clearly and purposely ignored the fact that there were multiple issues.

      You are also are obviously not able to understand the importance of Barry taking a stance over ethics classes.

      “FACT- You said you’d vote against the LNP if Barry didn’t satisfy you in regards to ethics classes. “

      Again you lie. I said I’d vote FOR the LNP if O’Farrell took a stand against the bloody mindedness of the far right of the party over Ethics classes AND released some policies. There’s a definite difference. I was saying O’Farrell had a chance to win my vote.

      But of course in the black and white world where morons live you can either vote LNP or else.

      I don’t give a shit what you want to focus on or not, you have no legitimacy, you have no integrity, you misrepresent others and then want to be taken seriously. Grow up.

      You are irrelevant, it is you desperately trying to mispresent my position, I don’t give a shit about yours. Because you’re a troll and little more.

    • TimB says:

      12:16pm | 16/05/11

      “No you left it out because you wanted to misrepresent my position as being based one issue.”

      No I didn’t. I don’t care how many issues you base your vote on.

      This is about YOUR position on the religious affiliation of some members of the LNP. Your position on *any other issue* is irrelevant. It’s not under discussion. This entire discussion has been about the religious issue. And that’s what you’re trying so desperately to avoid admitting.

      You won’t answer as to exactly why you were so scared about religious influence over LNP policy. You won’t explain to jf as to why you have an issue with Abbott’s religion. One can only conclude that you are an anti-catholic bigot, who bases at least part of his vote on anti-religious fear.

    • Seano says:

      12:46pm | 16/05/11

      LMAO.

      “No I didn’t. I don’t care how many issues you base your vote on.”

      You cared enough to leave out an important of what I said.

      “This is about YOUR position on the religious affiliation of some members of the LNP. “

      No this was your mispresentation of my opinion subjectively edited for your own trolling purposes.

      “Your position on *any other issue* is irrelevant. It’s not under discussion.”

      Only because you decide to narrow the parameters of the discussion so finely so that you feel you have a leg to stand on, you don’t.

      “This entire discussion has been about the religious issue. And that’s what you’re trying so desperately to avoid admitting.”

      Misrepresenting arguments and framing the discussion around those mispresentations isn’t a discussion, no matter how much you’d like to pretend otherwise.

      “You won’t answer as to exactly why you were so scared about religious influence over LNP policy. “

      I stated my objections clearly at the time. You’ve chosen to ignore those as you have no interest in what I actually said, because you’re a troll.

      “You won’t explain to jf as to why you have an issue with Abbott’s religion. “

      I’ve clearly stated issues with Abbott’s religious VIEWS not his religion…you misrepresent yet again, it’s funny,  moronic but it’s not a debate.

      “One can only conclude that you are an anti-catholic bigot, who bases at least part of his vote on anti-religious fear. “

      You’ve made the rest up you may as well go the whole hog. It’s what trolls do they make stuff up and somehow think this is winning the argument.

    • BobM says:

      01:02pm | 16/05/11

      @Blue Lou(ser) - is that you, Penbo?

    • Northern Steve says:

      03:06pm | 16/05/11

      Well, Seano, if the polls keep going the way they’re going, and today’s was another shocker, it’s looking like Gillard is a goner.  Now I would NEVER make a call like that this far out from an election, but they’re showing all the signs not just of a government doing it tough, but of a government looking like people aren’t listening to them.

      I’ll do you a deal Seano, I know the next election is a long way away (probably), but if Labor’s a dead cert loss, and you keep posting through the election, and once the results come in you come back and agree the people have spoken, that GIllard did not lead a good government, I’ll make a $100 donation to the charity of your choice.

      I still reckon you’ll go all wonder woman’s plane on us though.

    • Seano says:

      04:40pm | 16/05/11

      @Northern Steve

      Unlike many right wing drones I don’t decide who I’m voting for this far out from an election. Unlike many right wing drones I’m free to criticise or support any party. Unlike many right wing drones I have not claimed a win for Labor nor am I desperately hanging on to one. Makes no difference to me champ, I’m loaded. My concern has always been what’s best for Australia.  The nasty, policy vaccuum and the associated bigotry that is Abbott is not best for Australia. As i’ve said before an LNP under Turnbull or Hockey might be worth a look.

      I am also not interested in playing moronic FIXED games with right wing trolls champ. You want to shout down the opposition try your hardest. You must really hate democracy.

      I’ll post when I want, if I want on whatever topic I want.

      The only significance that can be attached to my post is that I had the time, the interest and I could be bothered.

      You want to make up irrelevant bullshit based on how many posts I do or don’t make or based on what I do or don’t say then go right ahead. Tere’s already a group of right wing morons dedicated to the task.

    • TimB says:

      06:29pm | 16/05/11

      “LMAO.

      “No I didn’t. I don’t care how many issues you base your vote on.”

      “You cared enough to leave out an important of what I said.”

      How is what you said important? This discussion was about your attitude to religious affiliations in the LNP. Nothing else you said had any bearing on that, so I left it out.

      “No this was your misrepresentation of my opinion subjectively edited for your own trolling purposes.”

      Did I say you were basing your vote on only one issue? No. Was this a discussion how many different issues were a factor in your vote? No.

      I simply showed where you said that if the policy on ethics classes wasn’t changed you would not vote for the LNP.  Barry could have met your criteria in every other issue that affected your vote, but if he had kept the plan to scrap ethics classes you wouldn’t have voted for him. This is 100% true.
      Despite your paranoia, you have not been misrepresented in anyway. 
      I stated your opinion exactly as it was. You’re crying like a girl because I left out something pointless. That’s not misrepresentation you big sook, that’s called efficiency.

      “Only because you decide to narrow the parameters of the discussion so finely so that you feel you have a leg to stand on, you don’t.”

      Again, the parameters of the discussion from the *start* was your attitude to religious views in the LNP. You’re the one who tried to bring your other voting factors into play in order to distract from the main issue.

      ““This entire discussion has been about the religious issue. And that’s what you’re trying so desperately to avoid admitting.”

      Misrepresenting arguments and framing the discussion around those mispresentations isn’t a discussion, no matter how much you’d like to pretend otherwise.”

      Again, I didn’t misrepresent anything. You said you wouldn’t vote for the LNP if Barry didn’t keep ethics classes. Fact.

      ““You won’t answer as to exactly why you were so scared about religious influence over LNP policy. “

      I stated my objections clearly at the time. You’ve chosen to ignore those as you have no interest in what I actually said, because you’re a troll.”

      No you didn’t. You’re a liar. You avoided the question last time too. Feel free to review:

      http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/new-years-resolutions-wed-all-like-to-see/

      What you said:

      “The LNP stance on this issue shows who’s really running the party in NSW, the right wing religious nuts. If O’Farrell is a puppet of these clowns and can’t stand up to them then I wont be voting for him.”

      What I asked:

      “What do you think is going to happen? The far-right faction is going to impose some sort of medieval Christian theocracy on NSW?”

      What you answered with:

      “Again I could give a toss what you think. The point is that the proposed canning of these classes is completely unnecessary and a clear indication of who’s running the LNP which is a genuine concern to many who actually think before they vote”

      So no, you never answered the question. You have yet to specify exactly why you’re so afraid of the “religious right” running the LNP.

      You are simply nothing more than a bigot.

      “I’ve clearly stated issues with Abbott’s religious VIEWS not his religion…you misrepresent yet again, it’s funny,  moronic but it’s not a debate.”

      His religious views, ARE his religion,  idiot. Pretending that there’s some sort of distinction is moronic
      . ““One can only conclude that you are an anti-catholic bigot, who bases at least part of his vote on anti-religious fear. “

      You’ve made the rest up you may as well go the whole hog. It’s what trolls do they make stuff up and somehow think this is winning the argument.”

      No I’ve based my conclusions on all the things you’ve said, and the fact that you’ve done nothing to disabuse me of my conclusions. So yeah I’ll claim victory in this argument based on logical reasoning. It’s far more respectable than calling your opponent a troll and thinking that automatically gives you a win.

    • Northern Steve says:

      07:27pm | 16/05/11

      I apologize Seano when I originally read your post I thought it was a personal diatribe of bile and invective, but on rereading I can see it was a balanced article looking at policies from both sides of politics (sheesh).
      BTW as of today’s poll that your opinion is being shared by less and less people. Given the nature of your very personal attacks on Abbott (as opposed to policy) don’t be surprised if people assume you are just a labor troll instead of a serious commentator.
      PS am now waiting for a similarly balanced post on the future of Gillard as leader and her possible replacement should she fail to improve.

    • Seano says:

      08:29pm | 16/05/11

      “This discussion was about your attitude to religious affiliations in the LNP. Nothing else you said had any bearing on that, so I left it out. “

      Arrogant as well as stupid.

      On what planet do YOU get to decide what the debate is about? On what planet do YOU get to decide what should or shouldn’t be included? Moron you don’t get to decide anything.

      Subjectively cherry picking comment outs of context, misrepresenting arguments and narrowing the parameters of the debate to what suits you is childish and stupid but it’s not debating.

      I am not interested in you or your troll tactics. Therefore I’m not even going to bother reading the rest of your moronic twaddle….

    • Seano says:

      08:52pm | 16/05/11

      “I apologize Seano when I originally read your post I thought it was a personal diatribe of bile and invective, but on rereading I can see it was a balanced article looking at policies from both sides of politics (sheesh). “

      It was on opinion. My opinion albeit a commonly held one (read the article genius) that Abbott’s lack of ideas and nastiness (not to mention the nastiness of his supporters) is going to cost him votes. And here’s the tip genius, it’s a democracy and people are entitled to have an opinion. And believe it or not genius but it’s actually allowed to be a different opinion from yours. Suck it up princess.

      “BTW as of today’s poll that your opinion is being shared by less and less people. Given the nature of your very personal attacks on Abbott (as opposed to policy) don’t be surprised if people assume you are just a labor troll instead of a serious commentator.”

      I have never personally attacked the bloke. I’m happy to give it back to right wing morons when they get personal (at which point they invariably burst into tears and cry “unfair”) but that’s it. I’m polite to polite people and I attack Abbott’s views, attitudes, ideals, policies (*cough*), attitudes, actions and track record. But unlike the right wing trolls that infest this site I don’t call him names, and I don’t have a go at him for inconsequential bullshit. Why aren’t you all over right wing morons who spout “julair”, “giltard”, “harpy”, “witch” etc, etc invective?  Seriously who’s the troll here when the standard that you set is that attacking Abbott’s views is bad but attacking Gillard on a personal level doesn’t rate a mention? BTW genius I’ve even agreed with Abbott on the very rare occasion but don’t let that get in the way of your trolling champ.

      “PS am now waiting for a similarly balanced post on the future of Gillard as leader and her possible replacement should she fail to improve. “

      1. I don’t claim to be unbiased or to representative of any view other than my own. Never have.
      2. If that is the standard you’re setting genius then why aren’t you on the back of every right wing troll infesting this blog equally demanding objectivity?

      People don’t like Abbott, they have good reasons for that. Either come up with some actual reasons why Abbott is a good choice for PM or learn to accept that we live democracy. But you can stick your right wing troll bullshit right up your arse.

    • Northern Genius (ie Steve) says:

      11:28pm | 16/05/11

      Hmm, let’s see Seano, you say:
      “I have never personally attacked the bloke”
      Yet your original post starts
      “I’ve been saying this about Abbott for years, spite and nastiness isn’t an alternative”

      Sounds personal to me.

      Next!

      “It was on opinion. My opinion albeit a commonly held one (read the article genius)”
      Can’t see anywhere in the article where it says that it’s a commonly held opinion that Abbott is full of spite and nastiness.  In fact, there is no reference at all to public opinion about Abbott.

      Woops!

      And
      “2. If that is the standard you’re setting genius then why aren’t you on the back of every right wing troll infesting this blog equally demanding objectivity?”
      I’d like to say the right wing trollers don’t bite as well as you, but they do, and I go and play with them on any of the climate change posts here, trying to throw a bit of science their way.  I play it where I see it.  I can cop that Abbott has his faults, but FFS, Gillard & Swan are A Class political and adminstrative duds.  They seem to have a talent somewhat akin to the Midas touch, only its not gold, if you get my drift.

      Seano, your original post was nothing but a troll, you were looking for bites, not a policy discussion.

      “But you can stick your right wing troll bullshit right up your arse.”

      But you can’t take it yourself.

      Might change my nick to Northern Genius, hey?  Wadya think?

    • Seano says:

      11:43am | 17/05/11

      “ “I have never personally attacked the bloke”
      Yet your original post starts
      “I’ve been saying this about Abbott for years, spite and nastiness isn’t an alternative”

      Sounds personal to me.”

      I was talking about his attitude and paraphrasing the article which you clearly didn’t read “genius”.

      From the article, “He must use the next 12 months to shift beyond the kind of scattergun narkiness which makes a good opening five-minute spray on talkback radio, but tells us nothing about how things would be different if (or when) he is in charge.”

      Now “genius” get whoever is reading this to you to look narkiness up in a dictionary.

      Next!

      “2. If that is the standard you’re setting genius then why aren’t you on the back of every right wing troll infesting this blog equally demanding objectivity?”

      “I’d like to say the right wing trollers don’t bite as well as you, but they do, and I go and play with them on any of the climate change posts here, trying to throw a bit of science their way.  I play it where I see it.  I can cop that Abbott has his faults, but FFS, Gillard & Swan are A Class political and adminstrative duds.  They seem to have a talent somewhat akin to the Midas touch, only its not gold, if you get my drift.”

      Only a complete moron would a) admit to trolling people whilst calling someone a troll. b) equate attacking Abbott with a defence of anyone else.

      “Seano, your original post was nothing but a troll, you were looking for bites, not a policy discussion.”

      No I was passing comment about a genuine problem for Abbott that you and the other right wing trolls have only served to highlight whilst missing/ignoring the point. Nastiness isn’t going to win swing voters, lack of ideas isn’t going to win swing voters. Abbott comes across as nasty and spiteful that is a genuine criticism. I suggest that you ask a grown up.

      “But you can’t take it yourself.”

      Unlike right wing morons I don’t follow people around posting spite nor do I have a stated policy of attacking particular individuals or the man instead of the ball (and please don’t continue to be stupid enough to claim that there’s anything wrong with attacking Abbotts attitude). But I am always more than happy to return serve to the morons.

      “Might change my nick to Northern Genius, hey?  Wadya think? “

      Why not, based on your latest massive fail it would be amusingly ironic.

    • Northern Genius says:

      02:54pm | 17/05/11

      “Only a complete moron would a) admit to trolling people whilst calling someone a troll”

      And troll who accuses others of trolling, while denying their own trolling, is a hypocrite.

      “I don’t follow people around posting spite nor do I have a stated policy of attacking particular individuals or the man instead of the ball “
      Really?

      “But you can stick your right wing troll bullshit right up your arse.”
      ” complete moron “
      ” I suggest that you ask a grown up”
      “get whoever is reading this to you”

      Well, as long as you’re not going to get personal about it all, it’s all good!

    • Seano says:

      03:28pm | 17/05/11

      Northern “Genius”

      “And troll who accuses others of trolling, while denying their own trolling, is a hypocrite.”

      I posted an entirely valid opinion which you’ve failed to challenge at any stage as you’ve attacked personally for daring to criticise Abbott. This makes you both the troll and the hypocrite.

      ““I don’t follow people around posting spite nor do I have a stated policy of attacking particular individuals or the man instead of the ball “
      Really?”

      Really.

      “Well, as long as you’re not going to get personal about it all, it’s all good! “

      Like most trolls, you’re happy to dish it but you burst into tears when you cop it back. I’m polite to polite people but I don’t suffer fools at all.

      All you’ve done is tried to shout down a differing opinion and you’ve failed. Just like the other trolls who’ve tried the same thing.

      Abbott has earned his unpopularity with his narkiness (that’s nasty spite btw), devisiveness, his lack of ideas, his lack of a record of delivery in office. All of which is going to cost him votes despite the anger that pointing this out causes right wing trolls.

    • Andrew says:

      08:03am | 15/05/11

      Bloody hell the Gillard Government don’t even know what they are doing whilst in Government. Sounds like Wayne or Julia have had a word in your ear while wondering around the corridors as they do to Journo’s.
      He has said he will outline his policies when an election is called which is always the case no matter who is in Opposition and then it’s up to the voter to decide who they vote for. This line of arguement David sounds suspiciously like what Gillard and Swan want you to get out there for them.

    • BobM says:

      08:37am | 15/05/11

      Penbo is just a mouthpiece for the Labor government.

    • Seano says:

      10:11am | 15/05/11

      When Penbo says something you don’t like apparently he’s a mouth piece for Labor. I’m equally sure when he says something you agree with it’s all “Yeah, right on”. A firm grasp of reality you have there Bob.

    • Seano says:

      11:26pm | 15/05/11

      Oh please. Go back and look at the many, many articles where he’s stuck it to Labor and then try and to feel foolish.

    • John says:

      08:14am | 15/05/11

      A great man once said “Reject everything, Suggest nothing and kick the bastards out”. Interesting that labor instead of pushing the budget spent every second before and after the budget having a go at Tony Abbott.

      The Liberals dont have to do much as labor digs thier own hole so Abbott doesnt have to do much

    • The Galah from Hervey Bay says:

      08:15am | 15/05/11

      A good shock jock . ?    Great !  This nation needs a bloody good shock to wake it up to the fact that the current government is hell bent on destroying our way of life , living standards and the normal traditional aspirations of all Australians.
      We need a huge shock indeed -  we have placed our country in the hands of a bunch of rabble without the qualifications to run a sunday school fete in Cooba Pedy.
      What Abbott had to say in his budget reply was intended to do just that -  he has laid the matter out in its bare bones - get it in to your minds before it is too late to save what we have left .

    • Steve Putnam says:

      11:01am | 15/05/11

      So we should listen to you? You can’t even spell the name of your home town correctly: Coober Pedy.

    • The Galah from Hervey Bay says:

      01:28pm | 15/05/11

      Steve Putnam :  On the petty point Stevo , Coober isn’t my home town but if you went there you will find that the locals write it as Cooba PD.
      Okay ?  that finishes your petty crap - now down to the facts.

      Did i force the facts down your throat ?  No !  I simply put my view .
      Certainly , i am aware Labor hacks find the truth unpalatable but do try to control your stupidity.

    • Marilyn Shepherd says:

      02:46pm | 15/05/11

      You really are a galah, precisely how on earth can any government destroy your mind numbingly igorant way of life?

      Lift you out of it?

    • It Opals says:

      04:26pm | 15/05/11

      Steve Putnam - Hahaha serves you right for nit-picking. Not Cooba PD but Gooba SP Hahaha

    • The Galah from Hervey Bay says:

      05:33pm | 15/05/11

      Marilyn Shepherd :  I assume your hero Stevo being ticked off upsets your day . Your comment is nearly as meaningless as his.
      If you have not yet worked out how a government can destroy your way of life , i suggest you go home to Mama and stay away from the keyboard.

    • Steve Putnam says:

      06:17pm | 15/05/11

      Obviously Galah;  but why not call it as the locals do rather than just half say it? By the way what is a “bunch of rabble”?

    • Your name:Charles says:

      05:12pm | 16/05/11

      If you lived in any OECD country you would know that Australia is the only developed country talking about getting the budget back in the black before 2020. All other countries can only dream of having an economy even close to ours. Please don’t trash talk what is obviously an extreamly good position we are in. Learn to appreciate it instead. Coalition is all retoric, spin and fear mongaring. don’t be drawn into it.

    • LeftRightOut says:

      08:31am | 15/05/11

      what is a shock jock anyway? Another shallow Americanism that lightweights use to denigrate someone they don’t agree with… poor form.

    • Steve Smith says:

      09:58am | 15/05/11

      LeftRightOut
      Listen to Alan Jones or Ray Hadley and you will soon discover and learn what a shock jock is,and by their daily diatribe it would appear that their radio station has became a propaganda arm and mouthpiece for the Liberal party

    • Sandy says:

      08:40am | 15/05/11

      Thanks David, like Mark Kenny yesterday maybe the media is starting to focus on the important issues again,
      As much as I would like to consider the coalition as my preferred government, on the details we have at the moment of what they stand for, it would be a giant leap of faith.
      I have been a voter for the last 30 years and I have seen Tony Abbott in action, his history and his current rhetoric do not give me any confidence in the man at all.
      The Coalition can now start acting like a real alternative government and treat the public as intelligent human beings or they can let Tony Abbott keep on with the current misleading, negative, obstructionist, and on occassions covertly mysoginistic rhetoric flowing and still be on the opposition benches after the 2013 election.
      The media can really help here holding both sides to account, report the facts and figures and disregard the press releases they are being fed by the spin doctors from both sides and give us the paying public the real facts!

    • fox says:

      09:10am | 15/05/11

      “covertly mysoginistic rhetoric”

      Is that like when someone criticising Obama’s utter failure in almost every aspect is a “covert racist”?

    • buckyboy says:

      12:43pm | 15/05/11

      Sandy says…As much as I would like to consider the coalition as my preferred

      Bullshit, Sandy….you are just another Labor stooge, blindly following Get Up’s deceitful direction.

    • JB says:

      03:51pm | 16/05/11

      bubkyboy, i see, so whenever someone dares to criticise the Liberals, they MUST be controlled by those evil closet commies of Labor and Getup! or… you just can’t accept that a lot of people are deeply dissatisfied with BOTH major parties at the moment

    • nossy says:

      08:45am | 15/05/11

      Abbotts negative behavour reminds me of something someone said to me many years ago Penbo - “its better not to try and soar like an eagle , just be a pidgeon and shit on everyone !”  hahah The Gillard government in trying to soar like and eagle and implement policy that will benifit Australias has come across the Mother Of All Pidgeons in one Tones Abbott !  Dr No has taken the negative to heights I never thought possible and presents that and himself as an alternative government and PM ! Good grief ! Australia under Abbott would become the laughing stock of the world - we would just wallow aimlessly failing to address any of the urgent matters that need address right now like Climate Change. No Penbo I will not be voting for the “classic pidgeon” in Abbott !

    • Christian Real says:

      09:48am | 15/05/11

      Nossy
      Abbott has already made a laughing stock of himself when he froze when confronted by Mark Riley.
      Tony Abbott gave us a glimpse of what he would be like and how he would respond to reporters questions if he ever did become Prime Minister.
      The World Press would possibly nickname Tony Abbott as “Mr Freeze”

    • Codger says:

      09:59am | 15/05/11

      Ah, the good old “world opinion”.  Doesn’t matter what Australians want; it’s world opinion that should dictate our political outcomes.  While we’re on a bird theme, what do you call a government that wants to soar like an eagle but instead waddles like a lame duck?  A dodo?

    • nossy says:

      01:39pm | 15/05/11

      @Christian Real - I actually think it goes deeper CR - I think he has an Anger Management Problem - it bubbles away just below the surface but one day POW !

    • nihonin says:

      02:21pm | 15/05/11

      nossy, I’d rather a pigeon shit on me than a turkey that believes it’s a eagle.  You seen the size the size of a turkey crap compared to a pigeon crap ewwwwww.

    • TCB 24 X 7 says:

      03:58pm | 15/05/11

      nossy,
      have you noticed YOUR negativity towards Abbott.

      Are you and your supporters Commie Bastards.

    • It Opals says:

      04:35pm | 15/05/11

      Christian Real & Nossy

      Anger management problem is Swany dear Swany. Don’t show your anger by picking up the nearest object and gripping it too tightly when you hear Tony Abbott’s name mentioned. You dear Swany will break it if it happens to be a glass of water.

    • nossy says:

      05:55pm | 15/05/11

      @TCB 24 X 7 - Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr - bit catty girlie !  haahhhhhhhhhhhh

    • TCB 24 X 7 says:

      07:42pm | 15/05/11

      nossy,
      Not girlie, i am a right winger,  not afraid to say it.

      Once Again are you a Commie Bastard.

    • nossy says:

      07:51pm | 15/05/11

      @TCB 24 X 7 - how dare you Sir -I am cut to the quik ! I will have you know I was at my parents wedding !  hahahaahahh

    • Mouse says:

      08:46am | 15/05/11

      It is not the Opposition’s role to give an alternative budget in reply. Abbott was not obligated to give his pre-election speech as the alternative PM now, that happens pre-election time. As you said Penbo, it was his job to chronicle the current governments failures. What he did was exactly that and he did outline an alternative vision, he just didn’t give all the figures to run a decent budget. Labor are in government, it’s their job to do that at the moment. Besides, the PM doesn’t give a budget speech, the Treasurer does. So all this rubbish about Abbott being a economic ignoramous is just that, rubbish. A government has people assigned to portfolios, they are the ones who are supposed to know them inside out. The PM is the boss and is supposed to have a good understanding of all portfolios but to expect them to know the smallest details of each is a bit over the top. Howard didn’t. Keating & Hawke didn’t, gillard doesn’t,  and they shouldn’t be expected to.  Liberals have a proven track record with budgets, Labor don’t.  Liberals tend to be committed and focussed, whereas this Labor government doesn’t appear to be. If the leak has a negative public reaction, or the polls say no, it seems that policy is quickly changed, tweeked or was never going to happen.
      I am not pro Liberal or anti Labor but I am sick of this hotchpotch, about face, arrogant government that has all the appeal of a smelly wet sponge.  From what I have seen over the last few years I am certainly not inspired and have deep concerns for the future of our country. I don’t really care who is PM, I just want them to start doing their job and doing it well, to start looking passed the next damn election and their super payout.  The minority government project doesn’t appear to be working very well either, what a fiasco. Maybe we should wipe the board clean and start again, we couldn’t be any worse off!

    • Marilyn Shepherd says:

      03:15pm | 15/05/11

      Oh dear, really?  The speech is called “the budget reply speech”.  That should give even the dimmest person the notion that he is supposed to comment on the budget and nothing else.

      If it was not the “budget reply speech” they would call it the “just anything I want to rant about speech”.

    • Mouse says:

      05:34pm | 15/05/11

      Marilyn, as you said “the Budget reply speech”. Tony Abbott did reply, to the budget. It did not say the Budget ONLY reply. If that’s what you think it is, you would be the only person in Australia. Every other budget reply has also contained the Opposition’s views for the Australian future. Tony Abbott did just that. Did you even listen to it or read it?  If not, here’s a link, knock yourself out.http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/budgets/full-text-of-tony-abbotts-budget-reply-speech/story-fn8gf1nz-1226054922105
      Compare it to some other budget reply speeches, seems a pretty good effort to me!
      http://australianpolitics.com/2007/05/10/2007-budget-reply-speech-kevin-rudd.shtml
      http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/05/13/1084289816000.html

    • nihonin says:

      05:39pm | 15/05/11

      Marilyn Shepherd, hence the word ‘speech’ not policy, as in “budget reply speech”.

    • Muzz says:

      08:54am | 15/05/11

      Abbotts approach is to keep the focus on Gillard as it should be. He’s there to keep her accountable on behalf of Australia. He can say what ever he likes in his reply speech. Abbott is intelligent, and too smart for you guys in the pro Gillard press gallery and it’s driving you all mad. Abbott stays one step ahead. Sounds like your jealous of his journalistic skills mate. He gave a great speech for an alternative PM. Most people agree from reports I’ve read and heard.

    • Joel B1 says:

      08:58am | 15/05/11

      The illusory bipartisanship sprouted by Gillard and Rudd was rubbish.

      Every single time the opposition made an attempt to promote good legislation Gillard or cohort would shout it down. They say and say again “We are the Government, we make the legislation”. Or as did that nasty bit of work Gillard when she asked for support and got it in parliament only to say (and this is an exact quote) ” Ha ha, you did a back flip”.

      When you’re dealing with a second-rate primary-school queen-bee mind like Gillard basically any actual details are wasted. As Abbott knows, it’s best to outline broad ideas. We all know Gillard will make up anything to continue her run as the barely elected PM.

    • SydSteve says:

      10:18am | 15/05/11

      “When you’re dealing with a second-rate primary-school queen-bee mind”
      Yes, and this is how he treats the general public. No policies just slogans to appeal to lowest common denominator. He’s fear campaign has gotten so bad that all his followers think the sky is falling down. Check any political argument in the Punch comments and it won’t be long before you find someone preaching that Australia is being destroyed and that a way of life is being destroyed.

      “the current government is hell bent on destroying our way of life , living standards and the normal traditional aspirations of all Australians.”

      And that’s just from this page. It most be a scary world being a Liberal fanboy.

    • jf says:

      02:28pm | 15/05/11

      SydSteve says:10:18am | 15/05/11

      “it won’t be long before you find someone preaching that Australia is being destroyed and that a way of life is being destroyed.”

      Because it is true SydSteve. Melodramatic maybe, but this government is simply that bad.

    • Mike says:

      09:03am | 15/05/11

      Sounds like your hurting Penbo LOL
      ps…... It’ll be OK, sounds like Tim is going to propose, we’ll have another Julia! That should do the trick for you Labor luvies.

    • Steve Smith says:

      10:08am | 15/05/11

      Mike
      One thing is for sure, Tim and Julia wouldn’t invite Tony Abbott because he would say no and oppose their wedding just like he opposes everything and anything else.

    • No 1 Rosie says:

      01:21pm | 15/05/11

      @ Steve Smith

      God save our Queen is what Tony Abbott said in Parliament after Julia Gillard’s gloating rave of her and boyfriend Tim’s attendance on our behalf at the Royal wedding. The Power of the Monarchy was too much for the hairdresser boyfriend it gave him romantic ideas of his desire to legalise their de facto relationship. Tim was over excited he forgot to ask her first, opting to make the announcement with the media. It is exactly what Gillard needs, more distraction! What say Steve Smith???

    • nihonin says:

      05:48pm | 15/05/11

      @No 1 Rosie, maybe it’s just a way to get his hands on all the tax payer goodies, if he is ever dumped once Julia isn’t the PM anymore. Hey hey, look me I’m Tim and it’s all free and easy now I’m a divorcee’.  lol

    • Mouse says:

      08:23pm | 15/05/11

      They would make a good couple then Rosie, they both make public announcements without consulting with the other concerned parties first!

    • The Badger says:

      09:16am | 15/05/11

      Seems you’re not the only one thinking like this

      Barrie Cassidy wrote
      “Based on this week’s performance, Tony Abbott still sits with the long list of low achievers.

      His populist, contradictory, rhetorical and shallow analysis of the budget has been matched only by the shadow treasurer, Joe Hockey.

      For months, both have demanded deep cuts to the budget. But when the government made a modest attempt to prune welfare, they described it as war on the middle classes.

      This was not the time to hurt Australians, Joe Hockey protested.

      How on earth can you be fiscally tough, and make the necessary cuts, without hurting someone?

      Previous governments, to the detriment of future generations, turned middle class welfare into an art form, using the family allowance system to rain a whole bunch of new vote buying gifts on the electorate.

      There is a pressing need to draw the line. But when the government did, Abbott and Hockey condemned the move with all the rhetorical flourishes they could muster. By and large, the media applauded them for - apparently - smart politics. But it’s all too easy. People are easily persuaded that they get a raw deal, even when they don’t. The opposition’s response has simply encouraged a dangerous sense of entitlement that pervades much of the country.

      Abbott said on AM that “this government” says people on $150,00 “are super rich,” (they haven’t said that) and “they don’t deserve any help from the government.” (They haven’t said that either.) He then said , “Sure, these people might be doing better than most, but they’re doing better than most through hard work.” Is he suggesting those who don’t earn that much haven’t worked hard enough? “

      http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/05/13/3216341.htm

    • Frank says:

      09:45am | 15/05/11

      Fancy quoting Barry Cassidy ! Hilarious, biggest Labor stooge in Australia.

    • MarK says:

      09:57am | 15/05/11

      You siad this yesterday Badger or should I say you regurgitated it yesterday.

      it is still as hilarious now as it was then.

      Keep trying kid. Your protests are growing quite shrill.

      Isn’t it good the real PM Bob Brown has said he will not allow an election before 2013. Must be reassuring to have him out in front leading the way saying NO.

    • No 1 Rosie says:

      11:31am | 15/05/11

      Badger the Harass

      You sound lonesome very much like the way Malcolm Turnbull looked while Tony Abbott was making his courageous speech, only a winner could make.

      It seems you are wishing “if only it was the Labor the Party” and Turnbull “if only it was me.”

      Tony Abbott is a different man, as Peter Costello said on Bolt this morning; Gillard is politically dead and Tony Abbott has gained the confidence to represent the Australian people as a true statesman!

      Badger the Harass - a great ending to the soap opera would be the marriage of Julia Gillard to her hairdresser boyfriend.

      Erick where are you? Fancy a bloke declaring to the media that he would like to ask his girlfriend, who happens to be our PM to marry him. OMG have some class and ask the girlfriend first and if she had any nous she would have said STFU Tim, it is the last thing I need at the moment.

    • buckyboy says:

      12:58pm | 15/05/11

      Bhaaaaaaaaaaaa….Cassidy, the doyen of balanced journalism. You lot are really getting desperate.

    • nossy says:

      03:34pm | 15/05/11

      @The Badger - lovely stuff Badge - you brought out the Lib heavyweights fella - great “‘catch” !  hahahahaha

    • Jane says:

      09:19am | 15/05/11

      What vision did the Labor Party have in Opposition? They had none except to focus on JWH and pull him to pieces for 11 years. The only time we heard of any vision from them was during the elecion campaign with Rudd. So get over yourself Pemberthy, we’re 2 years or more out from an election unfortunately. Abbott can say and do what ever he likes, as long as he’s holding this Government to account and putting them under scutiny he’s doing his job as Oppostion Leader and a damn good job he’s doing of that.
      In a democracy that’s how it’s supposed to work. Your little rant is more llike a piece written by Gillard or Swan. Were they pleased with your little piece?

    • John says:

      09:20am | 15/05/11

      Why doesnt any of the news media ask the question to all Australians now. DO YOU WANT A FEDERAL ELECTION TO BE CALLED? If Gillard and Brown still dont react then well we know that they are not acting in the best interest of the people.

    • acotrel says:

      09:24am | 15/05/11

      @Penbo
      ‘The trouble for Abbott is that he’s an under-promiser and an under-deliverer. He explained nothing in his speech last year, and he explained nothing in his speech last week, save for one new measure to cut government red tape for small business.’

      What are trying to do - set a new precedent in objective reporting?

    • TCB 24 X 7 says:

      10:11am | 15/05/11

      acotrel,
      so you agree with all the SHIT labor has and is still creating for Australia.

    • nihonin says:

      02:18pm | 15/05/11

      Better than over-promising and never-delivering, said outcomes, eh acotrel.

    • Batsareout says:

      08:26pm | 15/05/11

      Nah Penbo’s just rattled that Abbott has absolutely given this Government a huge tailspin.
      With 28% of us backing this Budget and 11% of us believing Labor can’t be trusted as the economy administrator I think it’s fair to say Abbott won the Budget. Again. Dancing not to Penbo and his media friend’s tune but to his on…Good on him! To me that’s a leader. The contrast with the weak Gillard Government is remarkable!
      Another issue of which Penbo didn’t write one single word….by writing off the Independents and Greens Abbott showed courage and strength. I hope this election may happen before long. The Bats are out!

    • Northern Steve says:

      10:11pm | 15/05/11

      But nihonin, this is the Year of Decision and Delivery, haven’t you heard?  The other three were just stretching and warming up, so to speak.

    • Laughing says:

      09:27am | 15/05/11

      Bought to you by David Penbirthy on behalf of the Labor Government.

    • buckyboy says:

      01:10pm | 15/05/11

      It’s in the water in Canberra…contains large traces of delusion. The Canberra Press corp take communal baths together on a regular basis.

    • BobM says:

      11:02pm | 15/05/11

      @Buckyboy - That’s a scary thought with Laurie Oakes about…..there wouldn’t be much room left, eh?

    • Bris Jack says:

      08:07am | 16/05/11

      Buckyboy, no, only in the froth, bubbles and spin in Penbo’s spar.

    • Garry says:

      09:30am | 15/05/11

      Tony got you rattled too David? He certanily has good journalistic skills, shame yours aren’t as good. This reads like a cut and paste out of Gillard and Swans brain.

    • Bruce says:

      09:32am | 15/05/11

      Can someone tell me of an any opposition leader who supports the government of the day ? Is’nt that the purpose of the OPPOSITION. Even if the opposition did suggest good policies, do you think the government of the day is going to acknowledged the suggested policies ?

    • No 1 Rosie says:

      01:26pm | 15/05/11

      Malcolm Turnbull because he is still singing; “it should’ve have been me.”

    • Northern Steve says:

      10:17pm | 15/05/11

      Memories a bit hazy, but Howard as oposition leader supported Hawke with a lot of the fundamental economic reforms like floating the currency and an independent RBA etc.  You’d be scratching to find time the ALP supported Howard when he was PM.  They certainly fought tooth and nail against the GST.

    • MarK says:

      09:53am | 15/05/11

      Snigger.

      The most significant politician on Australia today has spoken and has put the cat amongst the pigeons.

      I truly love it. One reply by Tony and the budget, such as it was, is forgotten. Even Penbo cannot stay on topic. A moribund government releases a budget that a mere 28% of people rate as OK so off on a tangent he goes.

      Since you are such a great critic of this particular budget reply speech and since you claim Abbott falls into the journo trap of “critiquing, attacking and denouncing (rather) than providing workable alternatives” do please provide a list of other budget reply speeches that outlined an alternative budget.

      What’s that? Oh…is that the sound of silence?

      Pathetic whine is pathetic whine.

      This government cannot keep itself in the headlines in a positive way for 30 seconds and you suggest Abbott should do what?

      FFA they cannot even give shit away to pensioners without ballsing it up.

      Anyway I am hoping for a list of great budget replies to compare and contrast. In the meantime off to a anti carbon tax rally with a witty sign proclaiming Gillard to be Browns bitch. I am sure it will be most popular.

    • Mouse says:

      01:57pm | 15/05/11

      Sorry to rain on your parade MarK, but Tim has had a chat with Weekly Times and today they broke the story of him wanting to ask gillard to marry him, one day, no rush. It looks like gillard wants a June wedding.  Great timing of the announcement, people love weddings. It will at least give us something to nice to think about instead of all this nasty government business.

    • Auditor says:

      09:54am | 15/05/11

      Can you show me a link to the terms and conditions of the budget reply speech please. Or are these you own personal conditions? Please clarify.

    • the whisperer says:

      10:01am | 15/05/11

      Does anyone remember when we would sit down on Budget night and Budget Reply night and make comparative lists? Labor policy is such and such re Education. The Coalition, this. Same with health, industrial relations, and any other relevant aspects of the Budget. By the weekend following we would have a fair idea where our best interest lay. Not now. This Government delivered their Budget, but where was Abbott? No policy except ‘don’t have a policy’. The followers of the Liberal, National, Labor, Greens etc., parties are entitled to hear the Opposition’s alternative. “No appearance, Your Honor!” How can Australia judge? There will be those, uninterested in Democracy, or Australia’s future, but only in their chance of ‘winning’ who will slate me. Go ahead. Show us your true colors.
      Sometimes I am reminded of the ‘eternal bagger’. He/she attempts to brings people down by attacking their character, (with or without reason), in the hope of elevating themselves. Their poor, sad, ignorant, delusional selves.

    • MarK says:

      01:55pm | 15/05/11

      “Does anyone remember when we would sit down on Budget night and Budget Reply night and make comparative lists?”

      Wow you are like pers. You make stuff up and tehn frame an argument around it.

      The opening statement of yours was a lie. A straight out first rate LIE.

      It never happened like that. Get over it. Repetition of a line doesn’t make it so. It really is pathetic to see when there is so little of substance and nothing positive to argue lefty apologist off in fantasy land cooking up lies to attack with.

      Abbott has you ladies so spooked it is scary.

    • Dave C says:

      10:07am | 15/05/11

      Abbott has done a wonderful job of exposing this governments failures. He is an excellent opposition leader. What he needs to do is not call for an election but simply wait until 2013 and release some vague policy guidelines 6-3 months before from August 2013 election. After all this is exactly what Rudd did in 07 and Howard in 96, and in NSW this year O’Farrell just let the ALP sink deeper and deeper into their slime and you saw what happened then.

      Abbott just needs to put the pressure on this government and by 2013 the people will be so fed up with the Greens influence and the Gillard indecision and spin he will be able to do an O’Farrell and win by default.

      As for the ALP, they took a $20million surplus and zero govt debt and turned it into a $45-50Billion deficit and $300 billion debt and then they talk of some magic surplus in 2 years and then attack Abbott’s lack of policy 2 years out from an election as being a threat to the hypothetical “surplus”.

      Give me a break

    • Rocket Surgeon says:

      09:34pm | 15/05/11

      Your whole argument is based on the premise the GFC didn’t happen. It did. If the Liberal’s had won the 2007 it still would have happened and the budget position would either be what it is now or we would be in recession and it would be worse.

      There are many things to criticise the government for but the deficit and debt isn’t an honest one.

    • James04 says:

      11:09am | 16/05/11

      The Coalition warned they didn’t need the second stimulus and didn’t support it. The Coalition supported the first stimulus, which seems to be left out of Labors and their supporters commentary. The budget would be in a better position now without the second stimulus which was a total and unnecessary waste of tax payers money.

    • Impressed says:

      10:12am | 15/05/11

      If your a Gillard Labor supporter you would have absolutely HATED Abbotts speech. Gillards face through out was priceless stuff. Well done Abbott, most impressive.

    • TCB 24 X 7 says:

      03:42pm | 15/05/11

      Especially when she was looking at the public gallery as people were applauding the points Abbott was making in his reply speech.
      She is like Gaddaffi in thinking that everyone likes her.

    • Luke says:

      10:31am | 15/05/11

      The people not impressed with TA’s speech are Gillard/Swan/Wong and David Penberthy. From the majority of reports I’ve seen they were all good.

    • Seano says:

      03:01pm | 15/05/11

      I don’t know where you get that idea. Even at the height of Rudd’s popularity any poll on Sky would have favoured the LNP.

    • Steve Smith says:

      09:39pm | 15/05/11

      Jane
      Did you only just buy a computer, the sky poll has always favoured the LNP, it is akin to the galaxy poll and other LNP rigged polls that the Liberals hold for entertainment,but alas these polls didn’t help the LNP at the last election and the won’t help them to win at the next elextion either.

    • Jane says:

      07:08am | 16/05/11

      Steve Smith - try using spell check if you can’t spell. It’s not difficult to enable if you can’t find it on your browser. If you don’t how to do that then ask any 6 year old.

    • Seano says:

      08:22am | 16/05/11

      Catching someone on a typo is a brilliant and relevant argument. Well done.

    • Steve Smith says:

      09:20am | 16/05/11

      Jane
      I know how to spell, I was first in my class a high school for spelling, but a typical trait of a liberal clone to pick up a typing error to use it as a reply
      Your reply is almost as worthless and as Tony Abbott’s Budget reply speech that lacked detail on how he was going to bring the budget into surplus and he also failed to indicate what cuts he would make,and where he would make those cuts.
      Abbott is hollow and full of wind and hot air,arrogant and only cares about himself and his ambition to become Prime Minister one day.
      As an alternative choice of Prime Minister his decission to omit the details of what cuts he would make and how he would bring the budget back into surplus was a complete turn off for intelligent thinking Australians.
      Only the Liberal clones would actually believe that Mr “Don’t believe everything I say” is their Messiah in waiting.
      .

    • TimB says:

      03:24pm | 16/05/11

      Now I *know* Steve Smith is an alter-ego of Christian Real.

      Christian made the exact same claim of being “first in class for spelling months ago:

      http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/mark-kenny-sat-feb-7#comment-331620

      “Christian Real says:12:07am | 06/02/11

      Wayne Fehlhaber,
      I deliberately misspelt the word wrong to see which Liberal or Liberals would jump in like a mob of piranhas on a feeding frenzy
      The word is Mathematician, see I can spell it correctly, Wayne, that is why I was Ist in spelling right through high school, oh and first in the class also, Dux every year..”

      Last time I checked they stopped putting an emphasis on spelling sometime in primary school. By the time you get to high school you’re expected to be able to spell already. They don’t have spelling tests anymore then.

      Christian/Steve, you don’t impress me with your made-up acedemic claims. You sure as hell don’t impress me with your need for two usernames.

      Sockpuppets ahoy. Each equally as stupid as the last.

    • Seano says:

      04:28pm | 16/05/11

      “Sockpuppets ahoy. Each equally as stupid as the last. Sockpuppets ahoy. Each equally as stupid as the last. “

      Can’t be as stupid as ignoring the point being made to pick on a typo.

    • TimB says:

      05:47pm | 16/05/11

      Steve Smith’s point was that polls mean nothing. If you believe that as he does, then you’re both stupid.

    • Steve Smith says:

      07:10pm | 16/05/11

      Tim B
      You really amuse me with your alter-ego assumption, but both being good at spelling doesn’t neccessary make us the same person as you appear to think.
      A wild guess, but once again your assumption is wrong Tim B

    • Seano says:

      07:11pm | 16/05/11

      “Steve Smith’s point was that polls mean nothing. If you believe that as he does, then you’re both stupid. “

      No his point was that sky polls mean nothing (and they’re not typically in favour of Labor as incorrectly claimed by Jane).

      Guess missing this clear point and jumping on the whole typo bandwagon makes you the stupid one.

    • Steve Smith says:

      07:28pm | 16/05/11

      Tim B
      I see where you are also assuming that Eddie is Badger, boy you do have a problem assuming that all these people have alter-egos.
      Well, I guess it come from being a devout and loyal follower of Tony Abbott, after a while you start becoming as delusional as he is.

    • TimB says:

      07:46pm | 16/05/11

      For starters Steve, *neither* of your alter-ego’s are particularly good spellers (or otherwise intelligent).

      But more importantly you’ve both used the same ridiculous story about winning spelling comps in high school (lol), you both re-appeared at the same time after a nice absence, and you both use the exact same brand of mindless, idiotic, reality-ignoring, ALP worshipping rhetoric. So I’ll keep going with my theory on this one.

      @ Seano- That was your point. It was only one of Steves. Now if you’ll excuse me, I know you’re jealous that I’ve deigned to respond to someone other than you, it’s hard when you realise that you’re not nearly as important as you think you are. But try to cope.

    • Steve Smith says:

      07:51pm | 16/05/11

      Tim B
      By reading through your comments,I have to ask,are you are still at school?
      And does your parents know that you are using the computer to blog instead of doing your homework?

    • TimB says:

      08:36pm | 16/05/11

      Really Stevie? That’s the best you can do?

      I feel sad for you. You’re clearly not that bright.

    • Seano says:

      09:03pm | 16/05/11

      Dim Tim: “That was your point. It was only one of Steves.”

      Steve: “the sky poll has always favoured the LNP, it is akin to the galaxy poll and other LNP rigged polls that the Liberals hold for entertainment”


      He’s talking about specific polls not ALL polls as you claimed. Seriously need to change your handle “Dishonest TimB”. Lying is the only way you can hold an arugment.

      And you still jumped on a typo as if that was an important debating point. FFS you even did research. You set the standard for moronic trolling.

      “Now if you’ll excuse me, I know you’re jealous that I’ve deigned to respond to someone other than you”

      Mimicry is a form of flattery and I guess I should find it sweet that you’re now ripping off my jokes but I think it really is kinda sad that I so obviously am your God.

    • Christian Real says:

      04:38am | 17/05/11

      Tim B
      I see that you shouldn’t be accusing other people of not being good spellers or passing judgement on other people,when you make mistakes in words yourself, but I don’t go to the extreme of pointing them out to you,like you and other liberalites do.
      Also, your fetish of savings everyone’s blogs are a bit concerning, are you stalking me and my cousin Steve?
      Or it could be Tim B, that are you a troll at Liberal party headquarters that saves everyone’s comments and postings.

    • Cate P says:

      11:32am | 15/05/11

      Penbo I think that Abbott is counting on people being so disgusted and mistrustful of the current govt that they will vote for the coalition anyway.  when he gets into govt he can see whats really going on and act accordingly.  He has already said they are pretty much sticking with the policies they took to the last election.  Minimalist promises gives leeway for over delivery.  He’s not an idiot.  People are sick of empty promises and liars…

    • hermes says:

      03:28pm | 15/05/11

      Agreed. Although I generally vote Coalition, my husband, who is a lifelong Labor voter, and hates Tony Abbott with a passion, is even considering voting for the Coalition. Why? Because this Govt just lurches from one idiotic, barely thought-through policy statement to another. He, and most of my friends and famil,y pretty much reason that even if they don’t like the Coalition, they couldn’t possibly do any worse than the incumbents…though most of them still like Kevin Rudd. Gillard just reminds me now of an ex partner, whose every action is suddenly incredibly irritating. For a much better reasoned commentary, from an *actual* ALP thinker (few and far between these days) read this http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/budgets/abbott-puts-up-his-dukes/story-fn8gf1nz-1226055574970

    • Rosie says:

      05:43pm | 15/05/11

      @ hermes

      I call 100% BS, apart from the bit about you voting for the Coalition.

    • hermes says:

      08:30pm | 15/05/11

      rosie, sweetness all 100%; me I don’t bullshit, got adhd, don’t lie ‘cos can’t remember what lies told, so just tell the truth, easier that way; do a vox pop in the street, any day, you’ll get similar viewpoints…at least in Qld anyway.

    • stephen says:

      12:05pm | 15/05/11

      What will save the PM is her marriage.
      We all love a wedding, and the happy couple should make their vows in Church, which might isolate Balmanians, (crikey, they’re a heathen lot) but might leave Belconnians gasping for more.
      Tony A’s OK. Haven’t you noticed he likes sport and does things and like a lot of other sportmen and women I know, is not real good on speeches ?
      Pollies do things too, and it’s the doing that matters. He might not be good in Parliament as a retorter, but when it counts, he will choose the right path.
      And why can’t we have a sportman as PM ?
      We are, after all, are sporting nation, right ?

    • Mel says:

      11:28pm | 15/05/11

      @ stephen

      Warney ? Fev ?

    • Shane from Melbourne says:

      12:20pm | 15/05/11

      Choosing between ALP and Coalition is like choosing between death by hemlock or death by arsenic. Both are populist, both have no vision for the country and both refuse to make the hard decisions. It doesn’t matter who gets into power, we’ll still have crap government.

    • Muzz says:

      08:10pm | 15/05/11

      You’ve described Gillard perfectly. Abbott couldn’t be more different, he opposes everything about her and her Government in case you haven’t noticed. And now she’s trying to copy him. She’s embarrassing.

    • Watcher says:

      12:32pm | 15/05/11

      Even if they are unhappy with the Government , Labor voters won’t vote for Abbott, he is too critical, he seems to be constantly on the attack, you never see that man smile. A far better option for Labor voter would be Malcom Turnbull, he is mild mannered, smiles alot and he is not aggressive. He is a man who you feel you could talk to, Tony Abbott is one you feel you want to avoid in case your his next target.

    • MarK says:

      02:01pm | 15/05/11

      Shame that Turnbull is not a conservative.

      Who gives a crap if Labor people will not vote Liberal? Over 20% voted for the idiots in NSW. If they were sticking with them after the last decade of disaster and debauchery then those votes are never moving anyway.

      Funny enough us conservatives like our conservative party run by conservatives.

      Totally fine as it is. If he is so popular ask him to swap sides. He will leave at the next election anyway. Abbott will smash this government and whoever is the leader by then and have at least two terms in the top job. Turnbull can’t wait that long and will never have the numbers anyway.

    • The Badger says:

      03:53pm | 15/05/11

      It’s a good thing you have your imagination. Because if you didn’t have your alternate fringe world reality, you’d have nothing.
      Abbott prime minister for two terms in a row
      Bwahahahaha

      Abbott will not make it as leader of the NoPosition Opposition to the next election.
      Who gives a crap if you think Turnbull isn’t a conservative. What matters is that he does.

    • MarK says:

      06:03pm | 15/05/11

      Awww Badger you seem angry kid?

      Settle down son you are going all red is the face and look a bit silly.

      Saw Barnaby and Warren down at the anti-carbon tax rally. So many people there. So much derision for Oakeshott and Gillard.

      So funny.

    • Ryan says:

      10:23pm | 15/05/11

      @ Mark

      No angry red faces looking silly down there then ?

    • Ben81 says:

      12:41pm | 15/05/11

      http://www.liberal.org.au/Policies.aspx
      Is Abbott supposed to re-announce everything here or scrap is all and replace them for no reason at all or something? 

      “Cheekily requesting that Julia Gillard call an early election to seek a mandate for the carbon tax isn’t going to make Tony Abbott PM.”

      What’s ‘cheeky’ just for a massive understatement is saying during an election campaign that a carbon tax will not be introduced then…you know…introducing one.  Australian products will become more expensive and the result will be zero impact on climate change.  It’s ridiculous.  Well done Tony for doing what’s right.

    • Knemon says:

      12:41pm | 15/05/11

      Abbott is a classic propagandist, nothing more nothing less. There is no doubt in my mind that he draws inspiration from Dr. Joseph Goebbels – “Success is the important thing. Propaganda is not a matter for average minds, but rather a matter for practitioners. It is not supposed to be lovely or theoretically correct. I do not care if I give wonderful, aesthetically elegant speeches, or speak so that women cry. The point of a political speech is to persuade people of what we think right. I speak differently in the provinces (regional areas) than I do in Berlin (Canberra), and when I speak in Bayreuth (Sydney), I say different things than I say in the Pharus Hall (caucus room). That is a matter of practice, not of theory. We do not want to be a movement of a few straw brains, but rather a movement that can conquer the broad masses. Propaganda should be popular, not intellectually pleasing. It is not the task of propaganda to discover intellectual truths”

      If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth, if you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it, if you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, if you repeat a lie long enough, it becomes truth, if you repeat a lie many times, people are bound to start believing it.

      As Abraham Lincoln once said – “You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time”

      Slowly but surely the people of Australia (especially the media) are starting to see through the LNP propaganda and this will eventually be the downfall of Abbott.

    • Ben81 says:

      12:53pm | 15/05/11

      “There is no doubt in my mind that he draws inspiration from Dr. Joseph Goebbels”
      hmm, that seems like a nice place to stop reading your garbage.

    • Muzz says:

      02:15pm | 15/05/11

      The downfall of Abbott? He’s not even the Prime Minister yet. Too funny….

    • TimB says:

      02:19pm | 15/05/11

      Youi know, descending to the intellectually vapid position of insinuating that Tony Abbott is a Nazi doesn’t give credence to your fantasies.

      Julia is the one that is sinking. The polls confirm this. People have stopped listening to the ALP government and no longer believe a word they say.
      It’s you and your willfully ignorant cohorts, (Acotrel, Badger, Christian Real, Seano, Steve Smith, Persephone, etc ) who remain in a delusional and ever shrinking minority.

      The next election is going to be so much fun.

    • Declan says:

      02:36pm | 15/05/11

      Laughable comment,The Australian public have been left in no doubt that Labour is nothing but a propaganda machine and rely on Public Relations spin masters rather than policy developers,you fooled them for a while but no one is listening anymore,they are watching with the sound off,actions speak louder than words,Federal Labor are the most obvious of frauds in our political history

    • peter says:

      02:36pm | 15/05/11

      hahahahaha labour/green turkey

    • Seano says:

      02:50pm | 15/05/11

      The last election was supposed to be lots of funny too Timmy. Nasty rhetoric isn’t going to cut it.

    • TimB says:

      03:51pm | 15/05/11

      “The last election was supposed to be lots of funny too Timmy”

      Was it Seano? Who said that? It sure as hell wasn’t me. You wouldn’t be making stuff up now would you?

      I’m on the record last election stating that I thought it would be close and honestly didn’t know who would win. Given the result, it was a pretty fair call to make it seems.

      I’m far more certain this time. 2 years ago, I figured the ALP were guranteed a second term under Kevin Rudd. I didn’t like it, but even I could tell that neither Turnbull, nor Nelson before him stood a chance of denting Rudd’s prospects at re-election.

      Then a miracle happened. Tony Abbott spoke up and said the word the Left loathe: ‘No.’ ‘No’ to bad policies. ‘No’ to the waste. ‘No’ to bad government.
      He stood up to Kevin Rudd like Turnbull couldn’t, and offered the alternative that Turnbull didn’t. And he destroyed Rudd’s credibility in the process. Now he’s done the same to Gillard.
      That’s why the polls are overwhelmingly favouring the LNP and the ALP’s primary vote is at it’s lowest level since the 90’s.

      The only way the ALP will win the next election is if they have a similar miracle waiting to happen. Do you honestly believe they have one? What is it? *Who* is it?

      And trust me, if your answer is “Tony Abbott”, then like I said, I’m going to enjoy the reaction of you, Knemon, and all the other wilfully blind lefties that infest the Punch, once Tony wins the next election.

    • Seano says:

      05:37pm | 15/05/11

      *Yawn* Conservatives where claiming victory in a landslide before the last election. You can pretend otherwise if it makes you feel relevant.

    • Rosie says:

      06:00pm | 15/05/11

      @ TimB

      Complete and utter bollocks, as usual.

      Everybody knows you were banging on every day about how the Coalition were going to win the last election.

      And then after the election you were still banging on every day about how the Independents were going to join with the Coalition.

      Lying about it now won’t change the fact that you were wrong on both counts.

    • TimB says:

      08:45pm | 15/05/11

      Oh conservatives were? That wouldn’t be another one of your stupid generalisations now would it?

      *I* didn’t. That’s the point. You’re wrong. Again.

      Same to you Rosie #2. Making shit up. It’s all people like you and Seano have got.

      Here’s what I actually said:

      http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/my-mad-monk-hunch-abbotts-going-to-win/#comment-188756

      TimB says:09:29am | 15/08/10

      ‘Here’s hoping you’re right Penbo. Honestly I don’t know, the polls are all over the place. One day it’s an Abbott win the next it’s Labor. I notice from the Telegraph this morning that we’re back to Abbott again.

      One thing is for sure though. Another 3 years of Labor incompetence like the last 3 years and Australia is screwed. Sure we’d probably punish them in the next election but it might be too late by then.”


      Just for fun (and to make Seano look more stupid) lets look at the Punch’s election the prediction thread. I didn’t post in it myself (like I said, I was on the fence the whole time), but a few names we recognize did:

      http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/election-2010-make-your-predictions/

      MarK’s prediction:
      “Labor by 2 seats.”

      Dash’s prediction:
      “I fear Labor will win by three seats.”

      Against the Man’s prediction:
      “Libs to win (narrowly).”

      So I was predicting a close election. 3 other known Coalition supporters on the site also predicted a close election, 2 of them actually predicting Labor wins.

      Hmm what did Seano predict…

      Seano says:05:07pm | 19/08/10

      Labor win by roughly 6 seats.
      Greens win balance in the senate.

      Yet right after the hung parliament, he tries to tell us that Tony lost the unloseable election? WTF? An unlosable election that he predicted Labor would win by 6 seats. Ahuh.

      But back to the main point, Seano. Yes, I’m sure you can pick out one or two “conservatives” who were predicting a landslide win. Just like I could summon up a few Labor supporters who were claiming landlide wins for the ALP.
      But you’re reaching indeed if you’re trying to claim that anywhere *near* a majority of conservative voters were predicting a lanslide for the LNP.

    • Seano says:

      11:23pm | 15/05/11

      I’m glad you spent your entire evening making an eveb bigger tool of yourself.

      Cherry picking comments, misrepresenting arguments and then shooting down things I didn’t say is moronic. But please keep wasting your time.

      Now go and honestly dig through the myriad posts from conservatives claiming they would win by a landslide. Then go and honestly dig through the myriad conservative posts claiming a tie was a win.

      Honesty, it’s not really your thing.

      BTW. I’m delighted that the point of this article has gone entirely over the head of you and your ilk.

      I’m also delighted that I have my very own conservative troll so challenged by my opinions that he has to follow me around spending hours analysing my every utterance.  Please do keep worshiping me…although next time you’re at the troll meeting can you ask if I could have a smart one?

    • MarK says:

      12:16am | 16/05/11

      Damn you Tim.

      How dare you bring facts into an argument with Seano.

      Now he will get mad(der).

      His head might explode and stuff.

    • TimB says:

      07:55am | 16/05/11

      * Make baseless unproven generalisations- Check.
      * Claim “cherrypicking” when confronted with facts that contradict ‘argument’- Check
      * Claim argument has been misrepresented, then go on to restate same argument anyway- Check
      * Finish with lame insult, accusation of “trolling”, and desperate attempt to claim relevance- Check

      Another typical Seano post.  How very tiresome.

    • Seano says:

      08:39am | 16/05/11

      * Misrepresent what I’ve said - check
      * Make up things I haven’t said and attack that - check
      * Cherry pick out of context quotes as “support” - check
      * Make something sound significant when it clearly isn’t (e.g.election predictions) - check
      * Have a troll buddie come in with a moronic comment - check

      You’re a gutless, dumb, troll but please continue to analyse my every utterance as you worship at the alter of Seano.

      Time Timmy spents digging through my posts - Hours
      Time I spend digging through Timmy’s posts - Nil

      Win.

    • Mark says:

      12:58pm | 15/05/11

      The good news is that the Coalition are continuing with their negative, no policies strategy. It’s earnt them them the benches of Opposition at the last two elections, and will do so until they understand that the way to win elections is to have better policies.

    • Northern Steve says:

      10:51pm | 15/05/11

      Hmm, this is interesting
      “Ryan says:11:43am | 14/05/11
      The good news is that the Coalition are continuing with their negative, no policies strategy.

      It’s earnt them them the benches of Opposition at the last two elections, and will continue to do so for as long as they don’t understand that the way to win elections is to have better policies. “

      About as original as a Gillard Govt policy!  Straight from a post on the punch yesterday.
      http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/budget-2011-were-all-liberals-now/?from=scroller&pos=3&referrer=article&link=text

      So who are you really, Ryan/Mark?
      Is it possible that all the ALP trolls here are the same person?

    • Jane says:

      08:25am | 16/05/11

      Google Mark Ryan and see what pops up.

    • Northern Steve says:

      02:58pm | 16/05/11

      Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
      He really is on the payroll then.  Don’t these guys ahve anything better to do than spending their publicly-funded time writing rants on here?

      I guess we can’t really expect any balanced views then.

    • Bris Jack says:

      01:05pm | 15/05/11

      I was thinking Abbott is more like a disc jockey than a shock jock.
      He has chosen the tune, chosen the dance, taken the lead and Gillard is desperately trying to keep up.

      The dance chosen is the Foxtrot.

    • ti3vom says:

      01:50pm | 15/05/11

      It’s amazing how many posters follow the ALP line that the MSM regularly follow, they are told that Tony Abbot is negative .. this is the current big pitch, they all repeat it constantly and the press and the rusted on lefties all chant it in time.

      The ALP in opposition, opposed! Surprise, and now the opposition does. Surprise!

      What’s the problem do you all mindlessly follow the ALP script that closely?

      Why should Tony Abbot follow it as well?

      Rudd constantly deflected the media to the opposition during his entire tenure, the media never followed up or examined him closely. All the ficus is intentionally on the opposition, with no real focus on government.

      if Tony had given a financial repsonse, it would have been the focus of the media, not the government’s poor budget performance.

      By not “attacking” the budget, it has denied the ALP, the MSM and the lefties the oxygen to attack the coalition.

      It’s a smart move by Tony, and the left don’t like it .. tough titties.

    • Insider says:

      03:45pm | 15/05/11

      I wasn’t aware until recently that Labor get around having chit chat to the journo’s and tell them what they want them to say, what questions about Abbott they want asked and what slogans to repeat. And the pro Gillard journo’s repeat at nauseam what ever the Government thinks will work in the media. This article is a typical example. You hear Gillard and all her team this week back harping negativity negativity negativity and the journo’s all dutifully follow their instructions. Funny part is, it’s still not working against Abbott.

    • James04 says:

      02:27pm | 15/05/11

      Never mind Tony’s brilliant reply speech, I’m looking forward to the next episode of the Gillard Governments circus OZ. Boat load of asylum seekers put on Christmas Island until she gets her new policy together, hoping to just ask them to get on a plane to be dumped in Malaysia or PNG. You would think there is enough trouble at that detention centre without adding fuel to the fire there. Oh well should be a beauty coming our way soon. Stay tuned, the fun and frolics of Julia Gillard continue, stay tuned folks. My spell check doesn’t like “Gillard” anyone else notice that?

    • AnnaG says:

      04:06pm | 15/05/11

      You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to realise that putting these people on Christmas Island while they wait to be sent to Malaysia or to where ever is going to cause chaos. How do they get them onto a plane? how are the detainees already on Christmas Island going to react when some of these people are friends or relatives of the ones being sent away? Riots I would expect. How do they control these boat people on a plane against their will after spending all their money to get here? How do they get them off the plane once they arrive at their destination? Julia Gillard and her Government just keep asking for trouble. It doesn’t matter what they do it’s amateurish and the outcomes are always so predictable.

    • Mouse says:

      06:35pm | 15/05/11

      What will happen on Christmas Island will be the same as before - they burn buildings, stand on the roof with placards, go on hunger strikes - and then get visas, just like at Villawood

    • Alicia says:

      02:40pm | 15/05/11

      Gillard today with her mate Barry Cassidy - “If you like, I’m there as the architect as we’re building this nation, building this new building,” she said.
      Need I even comment on this statement.
      She says his negative style might be interesting to watch, but it is not sustainable.
      Someone needs to tell her being TRUTHFUL is not being NEGATIVE. And it’s her as Prime Minister that’s not sustainable.
      I think she should just go and get married and live happily ever after in the burbs with Tim.

    • Vaunted says:

      06:25pm | 15/05/11

      Julia doesn’t seem to be able to articulate one single aspect of her alleged ‘vision’ without somehow weaving into almost every sentence the current standard Bruce Hawker put-down of Tony Abbott. Fact is, Julia is completely out of her depth and it shows. Architect of a nation? What a laugh. On her performance to date most Australians would be reluctant to trust her with designing a back yard chook shed, much less building one.

    • thatmosis says:

      03:25pm | 15/05/11

      Abbott did the right thing by not outlinning what he and his party would do. leaves the Government scratching thier collective heads wondering where theit next policies will come from, that isapart from adopting all the Green Policies which as we have seen are about as popular as a pork chop in a synagog. The look on the Government s faces when they realised that they were getting nothing but a bucketing in his speech was priceless as they squirmed and went pale underhis onslaught. Be afraid Jooliar, very afraid. This Government has shown itself to abe a complete trainwreck in slow motion and we are the causalties.

    • john hallett says:

      04:15pm | 15/05/11

      Tony Abbott is a truly pathetic opposition leader.His
      Tea party style and his “just say no” philosophy does great disservice to his party and the country.

    • TCB 24 X 7 says:

      07:48pm | 15/05/11

      Well john h.
      do you expect him to say yes to shit policies and fiascos of the labor party.
      Now That would be a disservice to Australia.

    • christine m. says:

      08:29pm | 15/05/11

      What?  Abbott “truly pathetic”?  Watch, and suffer, as he finishes off the Gillard experiment.

    • RWB says:

      04:38pm | 15/05/11

      And on the subject of revealing original ideas, didn’t I read this article on My ABC entitled “Looking for a great opposition leader. Still looking.” By Barrie Cassidy? The one thing Mr. Penberthy has learnt though is to avoid tipping a dip in Coalition polling. This government is no better than a headless chook, Tony Abbott, rather more politely than I have, simply and effectively pointed that out.

    • sir ronald bradnam says:

      05:05pm | 15/05/11

      Afraid not. What all political parties truly lack is any form of effective leadership. Probably Turnbull comes across as the best so hope he gets the opportunity at another chance.

    • nossy says:

      07:27pm | 15/05/11

      @sir ronald bradnam - precisely Sir Ronald - I do like the cut of your gib Sir ! And you play a mighty fine game of cricket too - ooops thats Sir Donald - sorry !

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      05:31pm | 15/05/11

      Both parties believe in “Big Australia”- check. Both parties shovelling out middle class family welfare- check. Both parties kissing the ass of the mining industry- check. Just exactly were the differences between both parties again? Both Abbott and Gillard are manifestly unfit to be Prime Minister of Australia.

    • Lucy says:

      07:44pm | 15/05/11

      Here they come, the BOTH campaigners and the TURNBULL campaigners again. Two in a row. Abbott is one of the most experienced and intelligent politicians in the parliament, no need to drag him down to Gillards level thanks. And you can have Turnbull, he would do a better job than Gillard as Leader of the Labor Party.

    • nossy says:

      05:52pm | 15/05/11

      Rejoice loyal subjects there are Wedding Bells in the air ! Our PM looks like announcing this wonderful event very soon. Got to be worth 40 points in the polls girls !  hahahahah

    • Faybian says:

      06:39pm | 15/05/11

      The vitriol on this site sometimes is just breathtaking. That’s why that old saying “never discuss politics or religion” still holds true. Btw there’s way too many people using the phrase “cognitive dissonance”. Couldn’t you just say you feel conflicted ppl?

    • nossy says:

      07:30pm | 15/05/11

      @Faybian - no worse than in the House Of Reps Faybian old sausage - in my opinion we are all good friends here - and I will drink to that !

    • Holly says:

      06:54pm | 15/05/11

      The budget reply speech showed Tony Abbott at his most devious but the media seemed to lap it up. There was no holding him to account for his blatant mistruths.  However that is old news.  Once again Tony has left Joe Hockey in the poo.  Can’t wait for Joe’s budget speech to the press club.  I wonder whether he will have to handball the hard questions to Andrew Robb this year.  Talk about the three stooges.

    • Northern Steve says:

      11:49pm | 15/05/11

      Is that you there, Ryan?

    • Ryan says:

      11:53am | 16/05/11

      @Northern Steve: it seems that this is the MO of the Labor trolls, hijack someone elses nick.
      There was originally a MarK whose posts were great, then this Mark nick started posting labor propaganda.
      I have been posting on here for a while under my nick only to find that over the weekend these Labor trolls have apparently performed the same.

    • Northern Steve says:

      08:59pm | 16/05/11

      Bastards

    • Stan says:

      08:45am | 17/05/11

      You killed Kenny !

    • Eigengrau says:

      07:50pm | 15/05/11

      What is the point of outlining an alternative budget now, when the Coalition is so far ahead in the polls and an election is likely 2.5 years away? They don’t need any more ‘intelligent’ voters to jump on board, and detailing a budget without treasury support and time would play right into the Government’s hands by allowing them to attack Abbott for any cost inconsistencies, black holes, blow outs, etc.

      I don’t see why the government is so obsessed by Tony Abbott - an effective government ignores the opposition and attempts to erase them from the public’s mind at this point in the election cycle. His lack of financial detail will allow everyone to scrutinize the Government’s budget without any distraction - surely what a competent treasurer would want, right?

    • One size fits all says:

      07:52pm | 16/05/11

      I think the point is that due to the current state of the parliament, it might not take a general election to change the government - one goverment-side resignation and subsequent seat loss, and your man Rabbit becomes the PM without so much as an announced policy. Therefore I respectfully say that he SHOULD be letting the nation in on his detailed budgetary plans

    • TCB 24 X 7 says:

      08:10pm | 15/05/11

      Hey Holly,
      Well good old Uncle Bob holds your giggling gillard to account.
      And the swan should not take it out on glasses when he is snookered
      And as for stooges, your mob cant even stop boats. God help us if their was an invasion.
      Shit that reminds me, Those fools even cut Defence Spending.
                                      Stephen Smith, 
                            WHERE THE BLOODY HELL ARE YOU.

    • John says:

      10:01pm | 15/05/11

      Next 2 years defence will hand back bout 2.8 billions dollars. Shouldnt that be used to counter the threat of a rising Chinese military. Even the white paper produced by this govt says that Australia should be worried bout China’s military.

    • christine m. says:

      08:54pm | 15/05/11

      Okay, I’m objecting to the picture of Abbott that Penberthy puts up there.  That peculiar angle is supposed to mean what?  You sad and jealous men.  Did I say “men”?  Weaklings, sheilas.  Whatever party you support, there is no denying that Abbott is a role model for health and fitness.  But deny it, you will.  It must be galling to have, as your leader, the sedentary Julia Gillard plod-plod-plodding her way to the bottom.  Watch, and suffer, as the hated Tony Abbott rids the country of her pitiful “leadership”.

    • Hal Pringle says:

      11:01pm | 15/05/11

      The theme of your column is the Labor Party talking point for the week: distract from the shortcomings of their budget by insisting Abbott must produce a hypothetical budget.

      The septics have a good term for this: you are “carrying water” for the ALP.

      Like faithfull little waterboys, you trotting the ALP talking points, ignoring the big picture which Abbott so accurately portrayed. This government:
      * lacks legitimacy,
      * lacks interity and
      * has done and will do more harm to the Australian people which each of its major initiatives.

      Are you surprised that the Canberra press gallery (and this blog) commands such little respect in the wider community?

    • Dallas Beaufort says:

      01:19am | 16/05/11

      Does David Penberthy have the pills to stand as an independent and deliver? or just stay as the middle mouth feeding the chook’s while picking up his pay packet, I wonder how he would convert public desires into action without playing one of the other or selling some silly climate change policy to stay relevant.

    • Correllio says:

      04:47am | 16/05/11

      Oh FFS which of you journos even bothered looking at the Coalition policy released during last years’ election campaign? Nearly zip. I laughed out loud to suddenly read journos quizzing the Coalition about their direct action plan which had been out since *February 2010* only AFTER Gillard announced her carbon tax. Heard nada about it during the campaign even though us poor punters had picked it for a very clever policy that appeased both the warmies and the skeptics while still delivering objective good for the environment such as improved soils without vandalising our coal and manufacturing industries and taxing us to oblivion. Laughed even further this morning hearing Truss explain that patiently again to the hapless Bonjourno.

      And which of you journos even listened to Abbott’s Budget reply? He said he wasn’t going to sing to Labor or journos’ tune but offer a big picture and he did. Suffer in your jocks journos, Abbott isn’t dancing to your tune and clearly the voters didn’t mind.

      In any case Abbott mentioned some 20 or so Coalition policies which were already on the table in his Budget reply - policies which were announced less than a year ago.  And I am sure there will be refinements and changes plus new policies WHEN THE NEXT ELECTION IS CALLED in however many years hence. Abbott didn’t have to spell them out. Contrary to what Labor and journos think, we’re not dumb and uninformed. A mere reference to them and we know what he’s talking about. And unlike Labor and a fair number of journos Abbott knows how to talk to voters, and focus on the bottom line, just as he did when he uttered the four most devastating words in Aussie political history: great big new tax.

      It’s the Labor-Greens who are in government and it is this government which must be held to account for its Budget and its debacles. TA is doing his job calling the government to account.  Why don’t you journos try doing your job in that regard as well.

    • Phil says:

      07:33am | 16/05/11

      Cornellio Why would journalists, and I use that term loosly do their job. Most are labor apologists, hey Pembo was/still is?? is a relationship wth one of the labor federal ministers, which is not disclosed, so you know which way many of his pieces will be slanted. He is rightly entitled to date whoever he chooses, but just like many others this should be a disclosure on the site.

      Abbott gave details of massive savings last year in the election, but no they couldnt do an assessment of these, nor could they do the assessment of what he said last year that labor took hold of this year. He was the one who put mental health on the table and embarrassed the government to act. He rightly said he and his collegues are dominating the political debate from opposition. Julia is showing daily she is not up for the job, and you can probably bet money that the deal to hand over to Combet/Shorten has been done but Julia is staying put till the end of June to collect the big super payout.

    • watty says:

      08:48am | 16/05/11

      As one who gave his 100% unswerving support to Rudd (as Editor of the Daily Telegraph) the day of the 2007 election I suggest Penberthy’s political comment belongs in the comic section.

    • James Hunter says:

      08:33am | 16/05/11

      Abbott is a sham his budget reply was pathetic and if he got into power where would he get his ideas from? Maybe Pauline hanson since he hates Malcolm Campbell the only intelligent thinker in the Liberals and he cant stand Joe Hocky who at least may have a bit of compasion. Any one with a God botherer background should stay well away from politics. We dont need an economic luddite nore a person who doesnt believe in free choice on abortion.

    • Watcher says:

      10:24am | 16/05/11

      Tony Abbott is a good attack dog, he hits target all the time and the response from Labor does not have the same venom, but people are now turning him off. To much attacking, we don’t want all this hostility in our daily lives, we elect both side to run the country, one side’s views may differ from another from time, but this is a daily occurrence, he attacks to much and is so negative. I sometimes wonder if he ever laughs or smiles. They need someone moderate Like Turnbull, who will appeal to both side of the fence Labor and Liberal voters. Opposing is good if you genuinely feel it is wrong for the country but to oppose everything is just opposing for opposing sake.

    • Mikko says:

      10:55am | 16/05/11

      Good heading, Penbo, except Tony Abbott is both, and you could have dropped the “or”. Today’s News and Nielsen Polls are all the evidence anyone should need to see the writing is on the wall for Julia Gillard and Abbott is looking more polished and PM material by the day. He is communicating effectively while Labor is gasping for breath.

    • Steve says:

      12:20pm | 16/05/11

      I have to agree Mikko. I heard Penny Wong on the radio this morning sprouting the tried and tested ALP line. The standard response to any hint of critisism is, paraphrased, “we might be crap but Abbott is worse” This tactic has had its day because many people are only hearing the “we are crap” part.

    • Babs of Sydney says:

      02:19pm | 16/05/11

      Congratulations Tim for thinking about asking Julia to marry you.  That should shove her back up in the polls.  Any truth in the rumour that you will be honeymooning at the Christmas Island Resort?

    • Tory Shepherd

      Tory Shepherd says:

      08:18am | 17/05/11

      Hey I deleted a batch of comments that were getting out of control with accusations of trolldom and general stupidity. Sorry!

    • James says:

      10:54am | 18/05/11

      or another idiot trying to make a name for themselves

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      01:45pm | 09/12/11

      According to my exploration, billions of persons all over the world get the credit loans from well known banks. Thus, there is good possibilities to find a student loan in any country.

 

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