Britain’s expulsion of an Israeli diplomat is a lesson for Australia to stop handling Israel with kid gloves.

Australia, stop whispering sweet nothings in Israel's ear. Picture AFP.

Israel has made clear that it does not respond to gentle persuasion or constructive criticism from its friends, nor does it listen to the quiet language of international law.

Israel is willing to abuse the trust of its friends by defrauding their passports, assassinating people on foreign territory, and approving new settlements on Palestinian land on the eve of peace talks.

Strangely, Australian politicians from both major parties have often fallen over themselves to defend Israel. In doing so, Australia has often been indifferent to shocking violations of international law by Israel. Israeli settlements in East Jerusalem, as elsewhere in the occupied West Bank, amount to war crimes under the Geneva Conventions of 1949, yet Australia has seldom protested.

The colonial plunder of Palestinian resources by Israeli settlers is forbidden by the law of war, yet Australia does not prohibit the import of settler products to Australia.

When a credible, impartial investigation by an eminent international judge, Richard Goldstone, uncovered possible Israeli war crimes in the Gaza conflict last year, Australia howled that the report was biased and unfair. Australia provided few reasons, preferring instead to smear a complex and lengthy report and to allow Israel to blame Hamas and to evade accountability for its own crimes.

If proved, the summary execution of a Hamas suspect in Dubai would be a serious violation of international human rights law and the United Nations Charter. Australia has objected only that our passports were misused. There was not a peep of protest by Australia when the assassination itself occurred, as if document fraud matters more than one of our supposed ‘friends’ assassinating a civilian in a peaceful foreign country.

One Liberal Senator, Julian McGauran, even announced support for extrajudicial killings, by claiming that ‘The tracking down of terrorist leaders is an acceptable act in the context of the war on terror’. That, indeed, is the policy of groups like Hamas, Hezbollah and Al Qaeda, who show little concern for human rights are all too ready to execute their opponents.

Australia bowed to unreasonable Israeli pressure to boycott the United Nations’ ‘Durban II’ anti-racism conference last year, on the basis of crystal-ball gazing about possible anti-semitism, instead of engaging in a crucial multilateral diplomatic process to combat racism.

Israel’s security barrier on Palestinian lands, which has impoverished Palestinian communities, was declared illegal by the International Court of Justice some years ago, yet Australia actively opposed the case from even being argued before that Court.

Australian policy towards Israel has served neither the interests of Australia nor Israel, and has been singularly unhelpful in securing the rights of Palestinians. For Australia, being a best friend and ally to Israel has too often meant remaining silent while Israel does what it wants, including thwarting the peace process or violating international law.

Australia’s often unqualified support for Israel panders to the worst, rather than the best, side of Israeli politics. Lack of criticism from its friends has encouraged Israeli lawlessness, since Israel knows that its allies will seldom complain and if they do, few consequences will follow. 

The puzzling thing about Australian policy towards Israel is that it is usually contrary to Australia’s own strategic interests. It alienates Australia from large blocs of countries, including the Arab, Islamic, African and non-aligned movements, at a time when Australia is seeking a seat on the UN Security Council. It fuels radicalisation against the west, at a time when Australia is struggling to defuse terrorist threats against it. 

If Australia’s stance were rooted in deep conviction and high moral principle, the price might be worth it. But there is nothing principled about turning a blind eye to serious and often criminal violations of international law by any country, let alone by one’s ‘friends’.

Australian policy is rightly founded on a commitment to Israeli democracy and security, amidst a cruel sea of despotic Arab States. Yet, it is perfectly possible for Australia to support those interests while insisting that Israel complies with international law. Doing so would align our friendship with Israel with our broader foreign policy goals of building an international community based on the rule of law and human rights.

It cannot be taken for granted that Israel knows what’s best for its own security. Decades of hawkish, militant Israel governments have not brought Israelis closer to peace. Israeli domestic policy has often been warped by extreme politics and a lack of respect for Palestinian rights, and many Israelis are exhausted by the pointless violence of occupation.

If Australia were serious about peace in the Middle East, serious about international law, and serious about its friendship with Israel, it would stop handling Israel with kid gloves.

It is increasingly clear that the only language Israel responds to is the language of force. It is time that Australia stopped whispering sweet nothings in Israel’s ear, and instead staked out more principled and vocal opposition to Israeli transgressions, including in the United Nations.

Australia must stop fiddling with its votes on peripheral aspects of UN resolutions and instead drawn lines in the sand about what we expect from our friends.

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    • Eric says:

      05:35am | 26/03/10

      International law is a nonsense.

      The strong nations do what they like, and the weak ones go along.

    • Sam says:

      02:52pm | 26/03/10

      Exactly. “international law” has failed all of us at some point in time. And a world without Israel has no hope of any law other than the arbitrary whims of the powers of the day.

      I reason that since WWII occurred on our planet, non-Jews are not worth listening to… and I hope Israel doesn’t, because we non-Jews are a pathetic bunch, and infinitely more so without them leading the way and ignoring our nonsense in the meantime.

      The only hope for a civilised world, is a world with Israel at its centre. The rest of us are so so so mediocre, it’s astounding.

      I saw a woman on the tram yesterday who was pretending not to know where to buy tickets from! I rest my case.

    • Facepalm says:

      02:34am | 27/03/10

      So Israel’s crimes are OK because all the cool nations are doing it?

    • Andrew says:

      10:05am | 27/03/10

      Spot on Eric. The US treats the UN like a revolving door, they come and go as they please and only use it when it is in their own interests.  The entire Middle East is a world within a world which will have problems that will remain unresolved until the end of time. Each country within the Middle East feels justified and right for whatever they do, including:  Israel, Yemen, Libya, Egypt, Syria, etc, etc, etc!  Sadly, the rest of the world and the UN sit on their hands and watch.

    • Tone says:

      06:15am | 26/03/10

      Israel - the ultimate Rogue State that has been fettered too much for too long.

    • Adam says:

      06:17am | 26/03/10

      A well reasoned and argued position Mr Saul, you’ve managed to remove emotion from the debate. Hopefully, we will not see reaction to this post decend into the usual murky waters as people attempt to equate a wish for adherance to the law with anti jewish sentiment. It is possible to be pro jew and anti the current state of play in the middle east.

      @Eric, it was always thus, sadly

    • Fred says:

      08:24am | 26/03/10

      Well said Adam, completely agree

    • Anne71 says:

      12:38pm | 26/03/10

      Adam, you are so right. It’s unfortunate how anyone who even hints that Israel may be out of line is immediately branded anti-Semitic, and dark comparisons made to Hitler, etc.  But when it’s getting to the point where even the US Government (Hilary Clinton) is starting to challenge Israel over their actions, you know that they’re starting to lose a lot of sympathy in the international community. Trouble is, will they care? Unlikely.

    • Dave says:

      07:44am | 26/03/10

      Israel is the root of all the problems in the Middle East and the UN must take some level of reponsibility for this mess as well. The US also has a lot to answer for in regards to weapons sales to the Israelis for so long. How many UN resolutions will Israel break before the wrold says enough?

    • Sam says:

      03:12pm | 26/03/10

      That’s just the problem with you lot… it takes more than 6 million people to be gassed and even then you probably won’t get off your lazy arse and say “enough”.

      Pathetic.

      Sure, “Lest we forget” and “never again”, only to let the same thing happen to Muslims in Bosnia (albeit on a much smaller scale).

      Doubly pathetic “human beings”. Why don’t go back to your TV soap operas and your footy tipping!

    • Justin Turner says:

      07:51am | 26/03/10

      Israel’s long term problem, as I see it, is that the automatic sympathy they rely on simply isn’t present in the younger generations. For people born in the 70’s, World War Two’s atrocities & the post war struggle are ancient history. The ‘get over it’ attitude will begin to dominate as that generation comes to leadership positions around the world.

      Israel, as wronged as they have been, needs to build bridges for the future, or their future will be even more isolated.

    • BMJ says:

      08:41am | 26/03/10

      I agree, I was born in the 80’s and I recognise what happened in the 30’s and 40’s but I don’t understand why we are just blindly standing behind Israel. It’s hurting us, plain and simple, and sometimes it seems that Israel is taking advantage of the sympathy many of the world have towards what they are going through and their situation as a whole. The whole arab world hates us for it.

      Both sides needs to sit down and get this issue sorted. The very least they need to do is get back to some kind of road map to peace. The world community needs put a sizable amount of pressure on both sides. Im just so sick of this conflict.

    • Anne71 says:

      12:48pm | 26/03/10

      @Justin Turner - exactly! Sixty odd years down the track, they’re still playing the Holocaust card for all it’s worth, as if it somehow justifies their actions today. It doesn’t.  The Holocaust was one of the most appalling moments in human history, no arguments there, but that does not make it okay for Israel to do whatever they want to whoever they want. You would think that given what the Jewish people have suffered over the centuries that Israel would be a bit more sensitive to the rights of other peoples to exist, but that doesn’t seem to be the case. Sad, really - as so often happens the abused has become the abuser, and cannot see anything wrong with their behaviour - even when others point it out to them.

    • Sam says:

      03:08pm | 26/03/10

      @Anne71, would recognise the right of “people to exist” even when those people don’t recognise yours?

      To tolerate ridicule is to invite aggression (or something like that).

      I’m Arab, and a Muslim, and I can tell you that most of us need a good kick in the head before any of our “rights” are respected. Sadly, most of you non-Arabs and non-Muslims are not that different in your mediocrity.

      Suck it up Roman Empire sympathisers, its Israel’s time to shine.

    • Anne71 says:

      08:54pm | 26/03/10

      Sam, thank you for your apologist comment. You’re entitled to your opinion, just as everyone else on this blog is entitled to theirs. But please don’t call us “mediocre”  just because our views differ from yours, unless you have something to back it up. Have a nice weekend.

    • Lee from WA says:

      08:20am | 26/03/10

      If Israel is the barrier to peace in the Middle East, why didn’t the Palestinians accept the comprehensive peace plans offered by Ariel Sharon and Ehud Olmert? Abbas hasn’t even responded to the last one that would have provided a significant compromise and would have enabled a real Palestinian state.

      The powers that be in the Arab world has no interest in peace with Israel. They like having an ongoing source of tension so they can further their own agendas, which would probably result in the extermination of Israel.

    • Zeta says:

      08:42am | 26/03/10

      ...and that agenda is the ultimate destruction of Israel.

    • Adam says:

      08:54am | 26/03/10

      agebda or not, the Palestinians or eventual viable state of palestine currently cannot nor will they be able to in the near or mid future be in any position to enact that agenda. Should an equitable peace and a viable state eventuate that action alone would soften any such mindset in the population who elect thier leaders. Therefore that leadership would inevitably soften it’s stance. Currently it is a situation of dog whistle politics, the bully is still at the gate so we’ve gotta be aggresive.

    • Zeta says:

      10:29am | 26/03/10

      @ Adam - The Palestinians might not be able to throw more than a rock at the Israelis, but they’re surrounded by rogue states that want nothing more than to destroy them.

      You’re talking about a people who’ve already been on the brink of extermination. A culture that goes through that experience takes steps to ensure it never happens again. When you’ve been that close to annihalation, ‘peace’ just doesn’t factor into the equation.

    • Trever says:

      11:09am | 26/03/10

      Israel will not share Jerusalem as a joint capital. This is the sticking point.

    • stephen says:

      12:33pm | 26/03/10

      The 1993 Oslo peace accord,and the proposalput forward by Ehud Olmertwas a Land for Peace swap.
      Land, surface land . No mining.
      No access to airspace.
      No accessto coastal shipping,for trade etc.
      And the Israeli checkpoints were to remain.
      In other words, the Israelis were to ‘militarize’ the Palestinians.
      Now if you have a look at the map of the proposed 96% land swap proposed, it wasn’t one great chunk of land. There were slithers of Israeli land jutting in and out of the land mass. This was the fertile land that the Israelis were getting. The Palestinians were to receive, mostly, great chunks of rock.
      The problem now, of course, is that Iran is directly supporting Hamas and Syria - hence, Hezbollah - which makes this conflict a religious one.
      America, to solve this one, may need all the help it can get.

      PS The Good Jew is not a Parable, but a Myth.

    • Sam says:

      03:20pm | 26/03/10

      @Trevor, that’s because Jerusalem is the centre of the Jewish connection to Israel. Christians and Muslims are guest there. The importance of Jerusalem is fundamentally rooted in religion. It’s about time that Chrtistians and Muslims accepted the fact that their “teachings” are derived from Jewish teachings and Jewish sources.

      Christians and Muslims continue to patronise their Jewish cultural and religious roots. It stinks of jealousy and ungratefulness. As if first, second and third can share a single gold medal!!!

      An individual palestinian might be able to establish a connection with Jerusalem, but Hamas and the PA haven’t a leg to stand on.

    • Sam says:

      03:18pm | 26/03/10

      @stephen, it is stupid to be good to those who would stab you in the back if given an opportunity. That’s Christian thinking, you’re welcome to turn the other cheek if you want !!!

    • Dan says:

      03:44pm | 26/03/10

      Zeta, you make comments like ‘that agenda is the ultimate destruction of Israel’ and ‘but they’re surrounded by rogue states that want nothing more than to destroy them.’ Except, apart from extremist terrorist groups, there isn’t really any country who wants nothing more than to destroy Israel. None of their Arab neighbours do, and as for Iran, even there is question marks.

    • Dave says:

      08:48am | 26/03/10

      My favourite comment on Isreal comes in the form of a joke I read somewhere that goes like this:

      An aid comes to the Secretary General of the UN and says, “Sir I think we need to have a United Nations Soccer team - it is the world ganme after all.” The Sec Gen smiles and comments that this is a splendid idea, but who would the team play against? The aid looks puzzled for a moment as if wondering why the Sec Gen would ask such a silly questions and then replies “Israel of course”.

    • T.Chong says:

      09:01am | 26/03/10

      Lee plenty in Israel also see nothing wrong in provoking violence against their neighbors and have no interest in peace, and Zeta plenty of extreme nutter settlers also publicly bark for the destruction of all their percieved enemies as well.
      Just as it is wrong to claim all Jews are part of controlling conspiracies, it is equally wrong to equate all Arabic people as would be terrorists.
      The children of Gaza were no more deserving of death delivered from a missle firing helicopter than any Israeli child is from a rocket.
      Leaders of both sides are the criminals, Hamas, and in the Knesset.

    • Ben says:

      09:16am | 26/03/10

      Great piece Ben, totally agree.  The only way forward in this region is geniune and open dialogue.

    • Harquebus says:

      09:54am | 26/03/10

      Religion is the real problem. Children are brainwashed with religious rubbish and lose the ability to empathize and reason.
      The only solution is to not teach religion to minors and wait thirty years. That ain’t gonna happen. The religious nuts will do what they always do. Fight it out.

    • Dave says:

      10:08am | 26/03/10

      Hey Harquebus tell that to Stalin, Mao, Kim Jong Il etc, religion certainly drove them onwards and upwards! No brainwashing to be seen in the Soviet Union, Revlutionary China or North Korea! (All hail glorious leader)

      Human nature is the reason, not the problem… We need to let countries (groups of people held together by whatever / whoever) settle their differences jungle style in accordance with instinct and stop overlaying transnational blah blah UN blah blah stability blah blah peace and love blah blah.

      Then the biggest, baddest dude on the block would be in charge until the young buck came along and unseated him - everyone has a fair idea where they stand.

    • Craigles says:

      04:33pm | 26/03/10

      Hey Dave, Stalin was religious - he had a vision and re-opened all the churches.

      Radzinsky,E. (1996) Stalin: The First In-Depth Biography Based on Explosive New Documents from Russia’s Secret Archives.
      Doubleday, 1996

    • AdamC says:

      10:05am | 26/03/10

      I am sure Israel would show greater regard to international law if international law was applied justly and universally. For example, Israel wouldn’t have assassinated that Hamas murderer if the Arab states didn’t provide sanctuary to him. Likewise, Israel would gladly leave it to international law to prevent Hamas from attacking Israeli civilian targets from its Gaza base. But, of course, international law only seems to respond when Israel raises a hand in its own defence.

      There is no total guilt or total innocence in this conflict. One has, in this case, to take sides to some extent. For me, that does not mean blindly supporting everything Israel does, but it does mean not pontificating about Israel’s aggressive or irregular actions when it have been left with no choice because of a failure of others to observe the international law you would seemingly apply to the ‘Zionist Entity’ alone.

    • ChrisG says:

      10:27am | 26/03/10

      Let me get this right. The State of Israel’s legitimacy, based on the connection of the Jewish people to this land for centuries, was recognised by the international community in 1948. Its Arab neighbours attacked it immediately and have done so a couple of times since. A couple still refuse to declare peace (are technically at war).

      In addition, a resurgent Persian/Shia imperial power under an apocalyptic madman Ahmadinejad is openly talking about wiping them out. On two of its borders, there are non-state terrorist groups, backed by Iran and Syria, also committed to its destruction, and its citizens are again having to get used to drills with gas masks.

      Taking out a leader, in Dubai, of one of the terrorist groups, using spy tactics used by every spy agency, seems to me legitimate self-defence in the circumstances, and not dissimilar to the use of drones across borders against Al Qaeda which we support to protect our troops.

      Israel has offered to return territories it held after self-defensive wars on numerous occasions, with Sinai and Gaza evidence of good faith, including in the latter removal of settlements. This approach to negotiations has on each occasion been taken as sign of weakness by its enemies and has provoked further attacks.

      So run that line about Israel not responding to ‘gentle persuasion’, and how we need to start using the language of force against this besieged democracy, past me again?

    • Tone says:

      07:36pm | 26/03/10

      The “connection” was interrupted by enough time - several centuries - for the “ties” to be spurious

    • James1 says:

      02:00pm | 29/03/10

      I guess you will be rushing out to recognise the State of Australian Aborigines, should they wish to establish one, based on the connection of the Australian Aborigines to this land for centuries.

    • Ian Matthews says:

      10:37am | 26/03/10

      And HAMAS, and Hezbollah, and Iran, and North Korea, and Somalia, and Zimbabwe, and the UN, and Kevin Rudd, and…

    • fro says:

      11:12am | 26/03/10

      The Israeli administration needs to be treated like the petulant child it is. Economic sanctions, military embargos, suspending finance. Real actions not words.

      Villify a group of people
      Herd them into small managable groups
      Build a massive wall around them to keep them away from others who may wish to help
      Remove basic human rights like food, medical aid, economic opportunity.
      Watch them suffer.

      Palestinian Territory 2010? or the Warsaw Ghetto 1940?

    • ChrisG says:

      01:53pm | 26/03/10

      fro, you have got to be joking with this ridiculous and erroneous comparison.

      the villification that goes on in the middle east - through print,radio and TV media - with explicit inculcation of stereotypes and hatred, is by arabs and iranians still not committed to israel’s existence - you may recall the furore over the mickey mouse look alike peddling hatred on palestinian TV

      Unlike Warsaw, the palestinians have not been herded into a space based on their racial background, and walled in until relocated to extermination camps. Israel has been forced to erect walls to protect its people from external attacks by Palestinian extremists. Look at the hand-back of Sinai and Gaza, or the peace and development where coexistence is embraced, such as in Ramallah: the only thing constraining the palestinians is the violence of the extremists they continue to tolerate.

    • Ian Matthews says:

      11:39am | 26/03/10

      And Hamas, and Hezbollah, and Iran, and North Korea, and Zimbabwe, and Kevin Rudd, and….

    • Adam says:

      11:45am | 26/03/10

      @AdamC says: Likewise, Israel would gladly leave it to international law to prevent Hamas from attacking Israeli civilian targets from its Gaza base.

      I assume this is why Israel is so quick to welcome and assist UN investigators in relation to these matters?

      “There is no total guilt or total innocence in this conflict. One has, in this case, to take sides to some extent”

      Your first sentance is correct, even if the Zionist entity see’s it otherwise. The second sentance is however wrong. The law and all under it are treated the same. No taking sides and no minimising guilt.
      Also the stronger of two parties always has other choices, the weak not so.

    • TwistedeEar says:

      01:19pm | 26/03/10

      Exactly Adam. Isreal has no choice - the Arab states that dumped the “Palestinians” (who were all the Jordinians and Syrians who were expelled from thier countries) could take these people back into thier ancestral states and move on. The populations of the Arab penninsula (whose people outnumber the Israelis significantly) could stop threatening Israel with extermination.

      Lets face it - part of the reason for the debacle with the Israeli war of independance in ‘49 stemmed from the fact the palestinians had had the better part of 50 years to make the land workable and ended up with a dustbowl. The Israelis made it habitable in less than 5.

    • AdamC says:

      01:54pm | 26/03/10

      Adam, you assert that ‘the law’ (by which I assume you mean the institutions of international law) are applied to everyone without fear or favour. But this is not the case. That was my whole point. Only Israel is expected to follow the rules, while terrorist murderers are openly protected by Israel’s supposed colleagues in the ‘international community’ of nations.

    • Macoy says:

      12:34pm | 26/03/10

      The Middle East is a hopeless basket case in large part due to interference from outside the region, the sooner the west becomes independant from oil and cuts all ties the better.  Western meddling has conistantly made things worse for all in the Middle East. 

      Muslims do not want the West interfering, Jews do not want to be told what to do, I think Europeans should let the Middle East work out its own problems. 100 years of western interference has only made the situation worse.

    • Sam says:

      03:32pm | 26/03/10

      I’m afraid the meddling goes back a lot further than 100 years. Try 2500 years.

      If it weren’t for the Middle East, “civilised Europeans” would be sacrificing their babies in the hope of a good harvest !!!

    • Zaf says:

      12:50pm | 26/03/10

      Meh! Australia’s support for Israel is of a piece with Australia’s involvement in Vietnam and Iraq and Afghanistan.  Iow, we’re paying the piper, there is no principle other than self interest involved.

      > ChrisG

      You say: The State of Israel’s legitimacy, based on the connection of the Jewish people to this land for centuries, was recognised by the international community in 1948.

      Most of the countries of Asia and Africa were still colonies, at that time, and didn’t have a vote in the UN.  Most people in the world were excluded from having a voice in the International Community’s institutions.  It’s unsurprising that the colonised peoples still have limited sympathy for colonisation as a way to resolve the problems Jews experienced in Europe (and subsequently the ME).

    • Daniel Plainview says:

      02:53pm | 26/03/10

      None of our business. The average Australian’s opinions of the Middle East are naive, cartoonish and primitive, and only getting airtime because of this visa fraud. Get the dole bludgers off The Punch and generating electricity on treadmills, start riding horses again, further encourage sustainable lifestyle practices, support the Chinese manufacturing sector and start drilling for oil in far north America. Forget about these people and their desert lands.

    • Sam says:

      03:57pm | 26/03/10

      can I get off the treadmill for Earth hour? grin

    • Ian F says:

      03:14pm | 26/03/10

      We now have an absurd situation in which weapons brokers for terrorist organisations should apparently be allowed to operate freely in the Middle East and where town planning applications in Jerusalem might require approval from the United States government.  Under this new paradigm Jews aren’t allowed to defend themselves against terrorist organisations committed to murdering them and must seek permission to even live in certain places.

      Considerable time and effort has been expended by successive US Administrations trying to ‘solve’ the Arab-Israeli conflict, much of it based on an underlying premise of ‘solutionism’ - that greater effort and more talks at an executive level will somehow result in Levantine harmony.  US President GW Bush was actually wise enough to avoid becoming mired in such an enterprise. 

      Deals can often be done in the Middle East between otherwise unlikely partners (as the Israel / Egypt Camp David Accords demonstrated), but proposing a deal and long-term stability on the basis of a ‘two-State solution’ involving an economically weak and politically dysfunctional ‘Palestinian Authority’ appears remote and trusting that hope will triumph over experience.  Interim prospects of success might lie with the concept of a ‘three State solution’ advanced by former US UN Ambassador John Bolton in which (probably with some border adjustments) the West Bank is returned to Jordanian jurisdiction and Egypt is given authority over Gaza.

    • James1 says:

      01:58pm | 29/03/10

      So true, Ian F.  Tomorrow, I am going to ask the Australian government to allow me to build an apartment complex in Auckland.  Why should I even bother asking the Kiwis for permission…

    • Sam says:

      03:39pm | 26/03/10

      “and where town planning applications in Jerusalem might require approval from the United States government”...

      quote of the day, loved it, thank you.

    • Sam says:

      04:02pm | 26/03/10

      This is my favourite topic, I wish you guys emailed me in advance. Is there anything else worth discussing!

      Let’s hope Lara has found a nice flat.

    • A Dose of Reality says:

      06:17pm | 27/03/10

      Two documents: “The Sykes-Picot Agreement : 1916”,  “The Balfour Declaration of 1917”  These are the cause of all the problems. 

      One is a disgraceful betrayal of a gallant friend who suffered horrendous casualties in a war against a common foe. 

      The other is the sale as chattel of a peaceful people.  Few remember that pre -WW1, 800,000 palestinians lived peaceably with 80,000 jews in their midst. 

      Overriding this all is the fact that the Jews were not the only ancient peoples in this part of the world (although they probably are the only one that became mostly European) the Cananittes live on in palestine and lebanon.

    • Lisa says:

      12:54pm | 28/03/10

      Sam’s response to Trevor really summarised an essential problem of the ‘Israel issue’ for me, where s/he said :

      ’ that’s because Jerusalem is the centre of the Jewish connection to Israel. Christians and Muslims are guest there. The importance of Jerusalem is fundamentally rooted in religion. It’s about time that Chrtistians and Muslims accepted the fact that their “teachings” are derived from Jewish teachings and Jewish sources.
      ‘Christians and Muslims continue to patronise their Jewish cultural and religious roots. It stinks of jealousy and ungratefulness. As if first, second and third can share a single gold medal!!!’

      to state an obvious fact, Jerusalem is important to Christians, Muslims and the Jewish world populations. To annex a capital city fifty years ago in the name of a single religious group, to make them ‘feel better’ about Hitler’s incredible war crimes is breathtaking in its arrogance. The diaspora still exists.This land fight is madness!

    • A dose of Reality says:

      08:58am | 29/03/10

      Lisa, you are correct.  The argument lacks any kind of substance and is based solely on arrogance. 

      Firstly, the fact it relies on “religion” makes it untenable, as other faiths have just as much right to practice as the jewish one (and have far more legitimacy as the last non-Samaritan Jewish priest died over 2 thousand years ago - rabbis’ are not priests and cannot function as such). 

      Secondly, claiming that historical occupation/governance of a region is no claim to current ownership.  In fact the same reasoning gives a (stronger) argument that most of what is now France is part of England.  A far stronger argument following this same reasoning hands over the US states of New Mexico, Texas, California, Nevada back to Mexico.  Other examples of this are evident everywhere.

      Also the stupidity of the whole rant becomes apparent when it mentions religion as the overriding factor in this situation IT IS NOT.

      It is a nationalist one.  Palestinians (and their forebears) have occupied that part of the world since agriculture became an incentive for hunter/gatherers to settle - genetic comparisons conclude this.  Although arabic culturally due to the extensive occupation of arabic influences in the region,  they are genetically a Canaanite people pre-dating the Jewish settlement of the original Israel/Judaea kingdoms. 

      As such the whole argument of jewish ownership of the land falls in on itself.  It may have a “connection” to jerusalem, but it is one too late, which is why they throw in the religion card.

 

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I have had some close calls, one that involved what looked to me like an AK47 pointed my way, followed…

Advocating risk management is not “victim blaming”

Advocating risk management is not “victim blaming”

In a world in which there are still people who subscribe to the vile notion that certain victims of sexual…

Nosebleed Section

choice ringside rantings

From: Hasbro, go straight to gaol, do not pass go

Tim says:

They should update other things in the game too. Instead of a get out of jail free card, they should have a Dodgy Lawyer card that not only gets you out of jail straight away but also gives you a fat payout in compensation for daring to arrest you in the first place. Instead of getting a hotel when you… [read more]

From: A guide to summer festivals especially if you wouldn’t go

Kel says:

If you want a festival for older people or for families alike, get amongst the respectable punters at Bluesfest. A truly amazing festival experience to be had of ALL AGES. And all the young "festivalgoers" usually write themselves off on the first night, only to never hear from them again the rest of… [read more]

Gentle jabs to the ribs

Superman needs saving

Superman needs saving

Can somebody please save Superman? He seems to be going through a bit of a crisis. Eighteen months ago,… Read more

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