Within the past 24 hours Prime Minister Julia Gillard has been meeting with some of the world’s most recognised misogynists, yet she is thousands of kilometres away from Federal Parliament and Tony Abbott is not in sight.

Gulnaz was raped by a cousin in 2010 and found guilty of adultery.

In a glaring example of hypocrisy, days after playing the political gender-card and lambasting the Federal Opposition Leader in an attack on his so-called ‘attitude towards women’, Prime Minister Gillard has met with people that jail rape victims and uphold laws to oppress women’s rights, without publicly raising the subject at all.

She was in Afghanistan, a nation where Australian leaders have a legitimate right to interfere, because Australians are dying to help them and our taxpayer-provided dollars are funding them. While Australian politicians from both political sides promote our involvement in Afghanistan as bringing freedom to their people, their own government creates a culture of slavery and oppression towards women and we say and do nothing.

Last year I wrote an article for Brisbane’s Courier Mail about the case of Gulnaz, a young Afghan woman who spent two years in jail for the crime of adultery after being raped.

Let’s be clear – this young girl was the victim of the rape, not the perpetrator. That any culture can allow a girl to be thrown in jail for being the victim of a violent crime is unconscionable.

That Australia continues to fund this government and allow our troops to be killed defending such warped priorities, is a crime against humanity.

Where was Julia Gillard’s ‘badass’ speech when a teenage rape victim was in jail? I’m sure she knew about this case and I am positive she cared. But why did she stay so silent? The world could have benefited by her voice at that time.

In my prior article I wrote the following, which still holds true today:

If we are fighting for freedom what does freedom look like? It is clear no politician in Canberra can answer that. It is equally obvious that both the Federal Government and the Opposition would rather keep their heads firmly stuck in the sand than admit our military operation in Afghanistan has led us to compromise our principles and sanction a way of life that should repulse us.

Anyone who is not convinced that Australia - along with other nations funding and supporting the Afghan regime - has sold-out our values should take note of a media release issued recently by the Afghanistan Independent Human Rights Commission.

The AIHRC is extremely concerned about the increase of violence against women, arbitrary punishments, and their summary trials, particularly the increase of honour killing and rape cases in the country.

Rape and honour killing are among the crimes that have substantially increased and have caused concern, turning to a widespread problem in the Afghan society, adding to the number of its victims each day. Women and young girls have been the victims of these crimes. Cases of murder and sexual assaults are kept hidden and are not reported to authorities.

This increase has been allowed under the current Afghan Government, led by the same leaders our Prime Minister was sharing drinks with yesterday. Domestic violence against women in Afghanistan makes up around 90 per cent of the country’s violent crimes, yet offenders rarely face trial.

The Afghan Government not only refuses to further women’s rights but continues to actively oppress them, as was shown by the 2009 passing of a law allowing men to deny their wives food if they refuse sexual demands.

Prime Minister Gillard can continue to play political games and score cheap points by playing the gender-card in the Australian Parliament for cynical political gain. Let’s be honest, most Australians don’t expect anything more from politicians.

But if she really wants to be a badass and advance the cause of women worldwide, she’d use her power, platform and ability to take a real stand and tell the Afghan Government – and the world – that Australia will no longer fight for freedom unless freedom is for all.

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    • Len says:

      11:28am | 15/10/12

      Dont worry Lyall, any voter with a hint of intelligence saw Gillards performance last week for what it truly was…a mere charade by a complete failure of a PM desperately trying to deflect crticism of herself and her band of merry idiots.
      And of course the silence from the goon squad of Swan, Wong, Roxon and Plibersek is deafening this week. They should be in the press promoting the PMs trip to afghanistan where she is pushing hard on the shonk regime of Karzai for the improvement of womens rights. But of course, Gillard does not care about womens rights, only when it can be used as a diversion for her govts failures.
      Gillards hypocrisy knows no bounds.

    • JoniM says:

      11:59am | 15/10/12

      Spot on Lyall !
      But as yet the bulk of the media remains complicit in attempting to illicit support for the government’s nasty strategy and still fails to call it for what it really is….....an ALP blatant personal smear campaign against Abbott in the hope of political gain ! The media luvvies still prefer to stand by their own political bias or to at least milk any upcoming newsprint value from the issue.

    • BoneyM says:

      12:10pm | 15/10/12

      BoneyM
      “complicit in attempting to illicit support”

      “illicit - contrary to or forbidden by law; “an illegitimate seizure of power”; “illicit trade”; “an outlaw strike”; “unlawful measures”

      It’s OK if English is not your first language. It explains your twisted posts. I think you have milked your blatant personal smear campaign against the government for long enough.

    • andye says:

      12:10pm | 15/10/12

      @JoniM - “an ALP blatant personal smear campaign against Abbott in the hope of political gain !”

      The Liberal Party made the debate about character a while back. It was all perfectly fair until Labor scored a goal. Now suddenly its a terrible smear campaign? Cry me a river.

    • fake julia says:

      12:42pm | 15/10/12

      i Will spot sexism and mysorgyny whenever I sees them

      Hi Slipper, great Text
      Hi Wayne Swann, I am upset at all those Liberal member(1 Alex Hawke) for not walking out of Alan Jone’s speech, but you not saying anything about the real Union sexist was great
      Hi Tanya Pilbesek, thanks for spoting sexism for me in parliament, but nothing against the real Union sexist
      Hi Pakistani school girl,
      Hi PM of Afganistan

      It really seem like fake Julia is really very interested in sexism and misorgyny, and it is the fake kind that she is interested in

    • thruthehaze says:

      12:54pm | 15/10/12

      @BoneyM

      Actually, “illicit” can mean much more than merely “illegal”. It also refers to something beyond common accepted convention and carries with it the connotation of something being clandestine and just a little shameful. eg “an illicit affair”.

      Its OK if you can’t think outside a very small box, but don’t expect others to follow suit.

    • dovif says:

      01:05pm | 15/10/12

      Andye said

      The Liberal Party made the debate about character a while back. It was all perfectly fair until Labor scored a goal.

      How far back did you want to go with your debate about character?

      LOL. Paul Keating is not a Liberal

      Did you listen to what Julia, Swann, Roxan had to say about Abbott

      For comparison, did you listen to what Julia, Swann, Roxan etc had to say about Rudd?

      Note how the Liberals treat Turnbull and compare it to how the ALP treat Rudd.

      Julia was smirking when she was faking outrage at Abbott, I remember the last time I was really upset, and my lips were definitely not laughing. It was not a goal, it was fake Julia at her best

    • paul says:

      01:18pm | 15/10/12

      People seam to forget we Australians do not decide when or where we get war. That decision is handed down by the military industrial complex and our leaders will always obey. We are a colonial puppy dog.
      The only war we ever got out of was the Korean war. Asides from that we are the first there with our bayonets prepared
      If you really want to understand it research till there is no tomorrow. I knew in 2005 the Afghan war would still be going because the American think tanks tell you everything, knowing people are to lazy to ever investigate.
      The purpose of the afghan war is to not really win it but just keep it going. Everyone should read “Project for the new american century”. Written in 2000 I believe Cheney was an author that had an uncanny skill in predicting exactly what would happen in the coming years.
      The phrase conspiracy theorist was invented by Government to denigrate anyone who does to much research, and like little puppy dogs I expect there Sheeple to come out and slam me in a few posts.
      Just remember the crazies who claimed the gulf of tonkin was a setup? Well that is know confirmed and accepted in america.

    • Karen from Qld says:

      01:26pm | 15/10/12

      Fake Julia

      Gillard is only interested in sexism and mysorgyny when it suits her i.e. when she has no other card to play.

    • JoniM says:

      01:37pm | 15/10/12

      @ BoneyM

      Thanks for picking up on my typo !
      You can’t beat a good gotcha !
      But my blatant smearing of this government is nothing personal.
      It is purely about trying to provide some balance to the very lopsided media debate about the political actions of a desperate government.
      Unlike like the PM, I will REALLY “call it as I see it” !
      Not call it like the PM sees it from her McTernan script !
      And I see it as the lowest form of personal smear politics being waged against Abbott by this government .

    • MP says:

      02:05pm | 15/10/12

      She hates sexism when it’s directed at her but doesn’t give a damn about anyone else.

    • acotrel says:

      02:11pm | 15/10/12

      Lyall, Are you one of those people who believe we should be lecturing our major trading partner, China, on human rights ? If Abbott ever gets up, he will probably start a war playing with that crap.

    • acotrel says:

      02:15pm | 15/10/12

      @Andye
      ‘The Liberal Party made the debate about character a while back. It was all perfectly fair until Labor scored a goal. Now suddenly its a terrible smear campaign? ‘

      That cannot be true, - are you telling porkies like Juliar with the ‘carbon tax’ ?

    • patroll says:

      02:21pm | 15/10/12

      Wow Lyall what a long stretch of the bow. At least she give a $h1t unlike Abbott who thinks the only foreign issue concerning Australia is DA BOATS.
      The PM is in Afghanistan with our awesome soldiers while Abbott meeting Indos President. I hope Abbott knows where he is this time.

    • dovif says:

      02:29pm | 15/10/12

      acotrel

      You got confuesd as per normal, that was kevin Rudd

      Julia has no interest in foreign policy, she is much more into bad mouthing Rudd and Abbott

      She is so bad that Christine Milne also called her a sexist hypocrite

    • Stephen T says:

      02:43pm | 15/10/12

      @andye: What have you done to upset acotrel?  I thought you were supporting Labor.

    • acotrel says:

      02:51pm | 15/10/12

      @Stephen T
      I thought I would just save you work.  Wasn’t that what you were going to say, or is this time different to every other ?

    • Stephen T says:

      03:33pm | 15/10/12

      @acotrel: actually andye makes some very good points, his arguments outside of politics have given me cause to reflect on a few things of late, his approach is perhaps something that you could do well to emulate.  I just thought it a tad rich for you to have a shot at him when he was defending Labor, your fingers got before your brain…again. smile

    • andye says:

      04:11pm | 15/10/12

      @dovif - “How far back did you want to go with your debate about character? LOL. Paul Keating is not a Liberal”

      Err, not that far back. I just meant in Gillard Vs Abbott. I can’t say I have ever seen a politician suffer more criticism than Gillard. Howard was somewhat close, but I think that was more about fewer people on the far left making more noise.

      @dovif - “Julia was smirking when she was faking outrage at Abbott, I remember the last time I was really upset, and my lips were definitely not laughing. It was not a goal, it was fake Julia at her best”

      This is an awesome defense. She didn’t really mean it. Impossible to prove or disprove, and completely dismisses her speech. Look, she smiled! This means she is evil!

      I think she was genuinely angry during parts of that speech. I think by the end she was probably relieved she got through it OK and was probably buzzing a little on the adrenalin. Dismissing the whole speech because of a smile is ridiculous, especially when you guys are at the same time denying that Tony could possibly have known what he was saying.

      Most of these theories rely on Tony being an innocent saint and Gillard being a conniving devil. Perhap’s Tony did not realise what he was saying (I am yet to be convinced), but that still doesn’t mean she didn’t hear it that way. I know I did.

      @Stephen T - “andye makes some very good points, his arguments outside of politics have given me cause to reflect on a few things of late, his approach is perhaps something that you could do well to emulate. “

      Haha, nobody should emulate me ever! I am way too much of a condescending jerk!

    • Carol says:

      06:49pm | 15/10/12

      I find Lyall’s article and many of the posts that follow at best a poor joke.
      Firstly we should not even be in Afghanistan, second as a sovereign country they are entittled to theie own laws.

      Lyall’s comments do little for rational debate on this topic, “their government (does not) creat a culture of slavery and oppresion”, it has been there for decades.

      Perhaps Lyall could tell us just why we should interfere in the way other countries operate when we are in such a mess?

    • AdamC says:

      11:44am | 15/10/12

      I think this line has been done to death. Just because there are cultures and individuals out there (especially in the Middle East and South Asia) that are way more sexist and/or misogynist than our Tony does not mean that our Tony is not a sexist and/or a misogynist. We should not be benchmarking ourselves against the Taliban. Please.

      Tony Abbott is not sexist. He is, on the other hand, a little old fashioned in some of his values and his comments. Talking about housewives doing ironing or his aspirations regarding his daughters’ virginity may not be ultra-PC, but describing it as ‘sexist’ practically renders that word meaningless.

      Shooting young girls who want an education is (attempted) murder, not merely sexism or misogyny.

    • Fiddler says:

      11:57am | 15/10/12

      Absolutely correct, he is not sexist. He is however slightly old fashioned in his values and comments. He does however make it perfectly clear when this will and won’t affect policies. Feminists who have it in for him are just small-minded idiots looking for something to be angry at.

    • Jimbo75 says:

      12:10pm | 15/10/12

      AdamC,

      A great point was made on Insiders yesterday. Words have meaning, and certainly words spoken by our Prime Minister in parliament should be based on their clearly understood meaning.

      Misogyny is the hatred of women by men.

      By telling Tony Abbott that if he wanted to see what misogyny looked like that he should look in a mirror, the PM was saying, in Parliament, that Tony Abbott hates his wife, his daughters, his sisters and his mother.

      If the PM meant something other than that, perhaps that Tony Abbott had made sexist statements in the past or that his statements and behaviours in the past suggests that he undervalues the role of women in society and perhaps even discriminates against them from time to time.

      Those types of statements may would, perhaps, have been far more accurate.

      Regards

      Jimbo

    • SydneyGirl says:

      12:31pm | 15/10/12

      I was just about to say this and find myself agreeing with AdamC! Its an absolute false equivalence.

      There are ways to belittle or humiliate a woman in a public role. I am not saying Tony himself is misogynist but its entirely likely that the PM faces such situations and can recognise it and has the right to state that she finds it so.  She is however a tough woman who can give back as good as she gets and more and she has. So lets not dissect it to death and move along shall we?

    • Jimbo75 says:

      12:39pm | 15/10/12

      Sydneygirl,

      Let’s move along? Some of the claims aobut Abbott being a misogynist are based on stuff he said at university! That should suggest who needs to move along.

      The attitude of the Abbott bashers here is a classic:

      “Yeah we called him misogynist in parliament and in the media, probably went a bit over the top and no we won’t actually confirm that we think he hates women. Can we just move along now? We’ve thrown our muck and some it has landed but don’t expect us to be held to account.”

      Regards

      Jimbo

      ps. Apparently when he was six Tony Abbott said girls had cooties.

    • SydneyGirl says:

      01:01pm | 15/10/12

      Jimbo75, Ms Gillard lamasted Mr Abbott.  Presumably they know each other better than you or I know either of them even though its unlikely that Mr Abbot has seen Ms Gillard’s charming cooties at age 6.  Mr Abbott can serve his own volley.  Its politics - all is fair.

      But there is no need to write articles about Afghanistan and essentially state that unless you are about to be raped or murdered you cannot use the M word.

      That is all. How about you take off your Libs hat.

    • subotic says:

      01:03pm | 15/10/12

      Shooting young girls who want an education is (attempted) murder, not merely sexism or misogyny

      And is a part of Islamic culture, and as such none of Australia’s business.

      If Muslims wish to eradicate themselves by shooting their own female future, then I think we should leave the buggers alone to do it.

      Don’t get me wrong, I feel sorry for the girl as such, but if this is how Muslims & Middle Eastern peoples choose to live in their own country, then leave them to it.

    • lower_case_andrew says:

      01:22pm | 15/10/12

      @SydneyGirl

      ” I am not saying Tony himself is misogynist but its entirely likely that the PM faces such situations and can recognise it and has the right to state that she finds it so.  “

      She does not, however, have the right to call someone a woman hater without evidence.

      And Julia Gillard strikes me as one of the least victimised people in Australia.  It’s a joke to even think that she has been a victim of life, let alone men.

      She’s been as ruthless and ambitious as any man I know.  She’s also at least as incompetent at the art of government as her male predecessors. Notch one up for gender equality!

    • SydneyGirl says:

      01:36pm | 15/10/12

      Hey Punch no need to censor my reply to subotic. He can take it, OK!

      Seriously subotic take a chill pill, we get your dislike.

    • dovif says:

      01:40pm | 15/10/12

      Sydney Girl

      Even a member of the ALP government Christine Milne (Green Leader) is calling Julia a sexist hypocrite

      The game is over, Julia is a proven hypocrite, a supporter of Slipper in the role of speaker, a supporter of Thompson

    • Kika says:

      02:20pm | 15/10/12

      While I wouldn’t say Tony is a misogynist I would say he falls into the old school patronising sexism that was the way of the world 40 years ago. But that’s the thing - it’s 2012. There’s no room for a would be leader of this country to believe it’s still 1972 and it’s ok to say the things he does about women.

    • acotrel says:

      02:22pm | 15/10/12

      @Jimbo
      ‘By telling Tony Abbott that if he wanted to see what misogyny looked like that he should look in a mirror, the PM was saying, in Parliament, that Tony Abbott hates his wife, his daughters, his sisters and his mother.’

      Not necessarily, his hatred probably only applies to womemn in a position of power.  Margie and the girls probably don’t qualify.  Have a look at Abbott’s face and body language durring Gillard’s tirade - he is not used to copping a good burst of invective from women. Most of us would have laughed in her face - he just looked guilty.

    • acotrel says:

      02:25pm | 15/10/12

      @Fiddler
      ‘Absolutely correct, he is not sexist. He is however slightly old fashioned in his values and comments. He does however make it perfectly clear when this will and won’t affect policies.’

      He is just a good hearted fifties kind of guy - like Hugh Hefner ?

    • acotrel says:

      02:29pm | 15/10/12

      @Dovif
      ‘The game is over, Julia is a proven hypocrite, a supporter of Slipper in the role of speaker, a supporter of Thompson ‘

      Hey Abbott ! Get away from behind that elephant ! - Too late ! Dig him out !

    • subotic says:

      02:32pm | 15/10/12

      @SydneyGirl, hell yes I can take it, not a problem.

      But regardless of what I can or can’t take, I cannot fathom what kind of religion & culture allows themselves to treat the weakest part of their society lower than a dog.

      As AdamC said, this was a murder attempt. And contemptible on every level. And shows the misogyny of the religion as it truly is. It’s got nothing to do with race or colour. It’s religion 100%.

      As for Tony or Julia being misogynists, in 10 years from now, who’ll give a toss? Neither of those individuals matter even slightly in the overall picture….

    • Tony=====@Females says:

      02:44pm | 15/10/12

      If Abbott put two holes in the wall either side of my daughters head I would go to his place grab his red buggie smugglers and give him the greatest wedgy of all time.

    • SydneyGirl says:

      02:46pm | 15/10/12

      subotic, its true that there are certain sections of Islam that are despicable.  I only find fault with tarring all Muslims as being the same because this is not the case.  And sometimes you stake close to Islamophobia instead of just being snarky or rational.

      If anything these girls who speak out are very brave.  Saying hell yeah, just leave them to their fates and let them all get wiped out seems a very poor response - maybe just stay silent?

    • acotrel says:

      02:48pm | 15/10/12

      @Subotic
      ‘But regardless of what I can or can’t take, I cannot fathom what kind of religion & culture allows themselves to treat the weakest part of their society lower than a dog.’

      Some religions don’t even allow them to become priests or archbishops.

    • acotrel says:

      02:58pm | 15/10/12

      @ Tony @ females
      ‘f Abbott put two holes in the wall either side of my daughters head I would go to his place grab his red buggie smugglers and give him the greatest wedgy of all time. ‘

      I’d hate to see you if you got really angry !  It doesn’t pay to make really nasty threats on a public forum, you don’t know who might be monitoring it.
      You could always spit in his eye, or pick your nose and flick it at him.

    • Rolls Canardly says:

      03:02pm | 15/10/12

      alcotroller
      Misogyny is a pathological hatred of women… All women. Not just actual successful ones, or those like Gillard.
       
      Your contrived ‘insights’ into human nature regarding Abbott’s reaction to being the subject of an overreach of titanic proportions only betray delusion on a grand scale. Abbott’s reaction was pretty spot-on for a bloke clearly struggling to find a skerrick of professional respect for a PM attacking him with a character slur while hypocritically defending Slipper against the charges that were already in the public domain.
       
      It simply doesn’t get any more ridiculous, or contemptible, but the Labor Luvvies are still trying to claim it as some kind of political master-srtoke.
       
      From another planet.

    • LMOA says:

      03:06pm | 15/10/12

      I think Acotrel has a little man crush on Tony Abbott.  XOXOXO

    • subotic says:

      03:11pm | 15/10/12

      @SG

      Saying hell yeah, just leave them to their fates and let them all get wiped out seems a very poor response - maybe just stay silent?

      I understand your point SG, but I’d rather go the whole “shock & awe” response to try & wake people up to the real issue rather than stay silent or give some half-cocked response as is typical of the Australian “she’ll be right, mate” attitude. Coz it won’t be bloody right, mate.

      I know that many are of the believe that there is such a thing as a moderate Muslim, but I’d like a self-identifying “moderate” Muslim to say that they’re “moderate” in an Islamic country. In a Muslim country, you are either Muslim or you are an infidel. There is no middle ground. I would love to stand corrected on that, but I’ve seen no proof otherwise.

      And whilst you say “oh, but that’s there, it could never happen here”, ummmmmm, never say never…..

    • SydneyGirl says:

      03:45pm | 15/10/12

      subotic there are many moderate Muslims.

      The Pakistani media itself has come out against the attack on Malala.  If you have seen the doco on Egypt’s Arab Spring you can see its a pluralistic society with differing views ranging from a girl in jeans and a guy who had his wife under a tent.  Turkey is a moderate Muslim nation.  The two nations with large Muslim populations - India and Indonesia - have both hardliners and moderates.

      Many of my Muslim friends - and I have quite a few - are atheists.

    • andye says:

      11:52am | 15/10/12

      The Karzai Governement? You mean the same Karzai Government that came in on John Howard’s watch? The same Karzai that can be found in photos laughing it up with Johnny? That Karzai?

      Did John Howard bring up anything like that?

    • Fiddler says:

      12:20pm | 15/10/12

      you have a better option? Believe it or not the US and allies had to support someone and this is a world of realpolitik, they could wash their hands and simply let the country fall back into ruin or realise that it is a long hard road to bring this country out of the middle-ages and this was the best of a bad bunch

    • andye says:

      12:47pm | 15/10/12

      @Fiddler - That is kinda along the lines of the point I was making. I was also saying that it is a bit much to condemn Gillard for not attacking a government the opposition supported on the way in.

    • Fiddler says:

      12:58pm | 15/10/12

      fair enough. FWIW, I think it is worth it, so long as the free world does what it can to keep it going in the right direction, which is often two steps forward, one step back (I say this as someone who has had two friends killed over there)

      It’s like charity, but I believe far more effective.

    • John says:

      01:52pm | 15/10/12

      @ andy

      Exactly. This article is as bad as Clint Eastwood forgetting that it was the Republicans who took them into Afghanistan, not the Democrats. He has the excuse of senility for his own goal, however.

    • acotrel says:

      02:41pm | 15/10/12

      @John
      ’ This article is as bad as Clint Eastwood forgetting that it was the Republicans who took them into Afghanistan, not the Democrats. ‘

      You just made my day !

    • acotrel says:

      03:03pm | 15/10/12

      @John
      That is what Gillard did to Abbott too.  MAKE MY DAY !
      POW, right between his beady little eyes !  - Really made his ears flap !

    • Noelene says:

      11:56am | 15/10/12

      I know things are bad in Afghanistan for women,but living under the Taliban was hideous for women,Girls are now going to school in Afghanistan.That is the single most important reason for Australia to stay the course.The litany of abuse you quote here is the same in most Muslim countries.There are religious zealots in all Muslim countries.You can’t ignore thousands of years of culture.Muslim countries will never allow women the freedom western women have,but they can be shamed into allowing women a voice.
      Give it up AdamC..the only people listening to you are the haters.

    • Luc Belrose says:

      04:03pm | 15/10/12

      I would not be surprised if the situation there may revert to the bad old days post withdrawal of US forces in 2013 and 14. The Russians were defeated there in the past, the Europeans are gradually moving out. The billions of US dollars spent there and the effort of the allied troops may not accomplish the mission given that the Taliban is still there and are undefeated and Mr Karzai may have no other outlet than to invite the Taliban leaders to the negotiating table. So, all that gigantic effort of the west may be for nothing and the enemy would look like winners.

    • BMJ says:

      11:58am | 15/10/12

      So when the opposition says that that this Governement should die of shame for it’s incompetence a valid argument would be to say that the opposition needs to look overseas and see what real incompetence looks like.

      We have low unemployment, low interest rates, things are ok compared to the rest of the world.

      Same logic really.

    • As a Young Liberal I... says:

      12:02pm | 15/10/12

      Too right Lyle. Women in Australia don’t know how good they’ve got it compared to other places in the world. They need to stop their irrational screeching about unfair treatment at work and getting hysterical over Abbotts family based values. At least they’re allowed to go out and do the shopping or pick up the kids instead of being shut away all day like some other countries.

    • TheRealDave says:

      12:16pm | 15/10/12

      Yes, its fantastic that you beleive that they should be allowed out to do the shopping and pickup the kids.

      Yougn Liberal Values at work huh?

      I suggest a Young Liberal that isn’t getting any anytime soon wink

    • marley says:

      12:21pm | 15/10/12

      Do you know, I’ve actually spent time in one of those countries where the women do get locked away.  Your lightweight attempt to use their plight as a tool to make a political point here is both ignorant and despicable.

    • andye says:

      12:50pm | 15/10/12

      Hmmm…. I smelll a troll.

    • nihonin says:

      12:54pm | 15/10/12

      You joined the wrong party Young Liberal Troll, the ALP are the ones that support all the ideals you mention, have a listen to Julia Gillard’s speech last week, where she defends Peter Slipper.

    • evelyn says:

      01:05pm | 15/10/12

      Shame on you Marley. This is not about you. Who cares where you have been? How can you oppose someone for pointing to the appalling failure to speak out on women’s rights. It does not mtatter which party is in power. This is bigger than political loyalty or ego it is about core human rights values.

    • Monty says:

      01:08pm | 15/10/12

      Marley, do you believe we should ignore (or not point out) lesser degrees of sexism and misogyny because there are other cultures where women have even less freedom than here?

      I’m sure you don’t. But this new tack by conservatives in this country to deflect or switch the narrative away from a very much needed domestically focused discussion is what I find ignorant and despicable.

    • marley says:

      01:20pm | 15/10/12

      @Evelyn - we have here a troll who’s trying to make the point that worrying about the status of women in Afghanistan is an attempt to divert attention from the dreaded plight of women in Australia, and that Lyle’s article is an attempt to divert the discussion away from domestic misogyny.

      I’ve seen the plight of women in one of the Muslim countries, and I’ll damn well worry a sight more about them than about women’s rights here, thank you very much.

    • marley says:

      01:23pm | 15/10/12

      @Monty - “do [I] believe we should ignore (or not point out) lesser degrees of sexism and misogyny because there are other cultures where women have even less freedom than here? “

      Nope.  But I don’t believe the reverse either, with is what (Not a) Young Liberal was trying to do.  I don’t believe we should ignore much worse examples of sexism and misogyny abroad because we have lesser problems closer to home.

    • evelyn says:

      02:02pm | 15/10/12

      Marley - are you calling me a troll? You seem to spend your whole life on this blog, often misleading people. Personally I have no more time to waste in ping pong blogging that you seem to love. That does not make you the winner. It is not about you. Who cares what you say you have seen? Get it? Great and brave article. Party loyalty is for those who do not value the power of their vote.

    • Jane Goodluck says:

      02:29pm | 15/10/12

      Evelyn, to be fair, with “we have here a troll” Marley does seem to be referring to “A Y L I”, the original poster. And I think he’s got it wrong, anyway.

      However, I agree with your general characterising of Marley’s style. I decided some days back not to bother with any more replies to the patronising, the pick pick pick,  and the false comparisons that are Marley’s trademark.

      That said, I do value the power of my vote, and I do take the time to carefully consider the options and policies at each and every election. 

      I do not consider “party loyalty” at all, as my aim is to vote as best I can judge for the national interest (rather than self interest). 

      With the result that in over 40 years I’ve never yet found a sound reason to vote for the Liberal/National coalition - at any election, national or state.

    • acotrel says:

      02:36pm | 15/10/12

      @nihonin
      ’ have a listen to Julia Gillard’s speech last week, where she defends Peter Slipper. ‘

      Even Tony Abbott’s cast-off friends get defended ! Kind hearted Julia ! Good at defending women from misogynism too ?

    • acotrel says:

      03:17pm | 15/10/12

      @marley
      ‘Do you know, I’ve actually spent time in one of those countries where the women do get locked away. ‘

      Canada ?

    • marley says:

      04:18pm | 15/10/12

      @evelyn - no, I wasn’t calling you a troll, I was calling Young Lib a troll.  And my comment wasn’t about me, it was about the women in these places.  I don’t agree with the author’s conclusions, but I do agree that there are levels of sexism and misogyny and that the situation for women here needs to be placed in perspective.

      What I didn’t like was the troll trying to downplay the significance of the overseas issues.  I’m not sure why you have a problem with that position, given that it seems to be close to your own.

      As for party politics, I couldn’t give a damn about party politics.

    • Rosie says:

      12:11pm | 15/10/12

      Yet another bad judgement on our PM’s part! ‘Poo’ all over her people in our parliament and then flutters off to places well known for their men to hate women in their fight for gender equality. What would be going through her mind as she meets and greets after Tuesday’s performance! It isn’t hard to say that she left her conscience back here in her homeland for the glory of being PM.

      Hope that those especially females that have lauded and are still lauding PM Gillard’s Tuesday’s tirade would be reading this article and thinking how they would have felt if the male person they cared and loved was the very person sitting in the Opposition Leader’s chair doing a job? I know I would have felt a sense of devastation, speechless, sad and sorrow because my loved male was put in a spot to act and respond in a very civilized manner. It would have been extremely difficult but because he was the Opposition leader it was crucial to be civil for all our sakes not just for his female loved ones or his political party!

      Thanks Lyall Mercer! Whoever said: “I will call misogyny or sexism the way I see it” has not only exposed if for what it is but brought the worms out of the woodwork.

    • Bark says:

      01:25pm | 15/10/12

      Abbott is a bully and far too many bullies are protected species in Australia at the moment so not agree with your comments at all, especially as he used the gender card himself ,which was fake beyond all doubt. Nothing more sexist than using women causes to furthers one ambition. Slipper has misused public money but Abbott chased Thomson instead, union money not even taxpayers so ok if our money used for private dalliances? He is unethical, only turning on Slipper when politically advantageous.  So I wonder about those loved ones who are the constant target of incessant and habitual lying as Abbott dishes out. I see no reason to feel sorry for him at all. The opposite in fact,

    • Rosie says:

      01:46pm | 15/10/12

      @ Bark

      “There will be no carbon tax under the Govt I lead” My Govt will implement the East Timor Solution as the solution to asylum seekers arriving on our shores! Two years asylum seekers are coming in droves. Get a reality check.

      You wouldn’t know a liar if you stepped on one as you would never know what it is like to be loved dearly by the people that you have to rely on for guidance, support and companionship.

    • Jan says:

      01:57pm | 15/10/12

      It was a great speech and has been lauded the world over for that reason. Thank you Prime Minister Gillard !

    • Jane Goodluck says:

      02:49pm | 15/10/12

      What the PM actually said:

      “There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead, but lets be absolutely clear. I am determined to price carbon.”

      And did.

    • dovif says:

      03:13pm | 15/10/12

      Jane

      She also said I will set up a citizen’s assembly to ensure Australian wants a carbon tax before commencing, and Australia will get a vote on the carbon tax

      and she didn’t

    • acotrel says:

      03:14pm | 15/10/12

      @Rosie
      ‘“There will be no carbon tax under the Govt I lead”
      Sounds great until you hear the bit that was cut off which reaffirmed her preference for an ETRS !  The LIE was Tony Abbott’s construction.  Have a look at all the clips on Youtube, every one of them ends on a high note of Julia’s voice, clearly indicating the edit .
      I actually watched the original news broadcast where she was supposed to have lied, and I heard her full statement about the ‘carbon tax’  - I know what the truth is in this matter.  Abbott is a poisonous liar !

    • Rolls Canardly says:

      03:17pm | 15/10/12

      Juliar also said she would only ever introduce a price on carbon after a strong and abiding consensus within the Australian people…
       
      Just a small detail, Janey but an important one, wouldn’t you say?
       
      That’s the trouble with attempting to rewrite history according to one’s blinkered view, rather than to actual events.

    • acotrel says:

      03:22pm | 15/10/12

      @Bark
      ‘Abbott is a bully and far too many bullies are protected species in Australia ‘

      Brodie’s Law has changed that in Victoria.  Do we need a Federal equivalent ?

    • AdamC says:

      03:34pm | 15/10/12

      Jane, this sort of retrospective, bordlerline delusional justifications for Gillard’s carbon tax deceptions really do nothing for the PM. They just highlight the extent of her mendacity.

    • Bark says:

      03:53pm | 15/10/12

      Some here know the truth at least. Both parties agree to reduce emissions 20% on 2000 levels by 2020. Agreed previous to Gillard taking office. Both have policies that will incur an expense so no “no expense option” available.  The “carbon tax lie” is pure populism complete with slogans. She promised a price on carbon which is what we will get to achieve the targets. Abbott has used a play on words as his policy will be financed from general revenue. Like income tax is easier pill to swallow than carbon tax? When polluters pay carbon tax but we pay the income tax?  Makes no sense. Still a tax and one that will be more costly to taxpayers as it rewards polluters with grants. Abbott has misled the nation severely and the press have aided him. So please before you quote the no carbon tax line please do some research.

    • Joe Blow says:

      04:38pm | 15/10/12

      @acotrel.  Wow, Now we know that whene Tony Abbott isn’t supporting the community raising money for charity, fighting fires or saving lives, he’s home in his study editing youtube videos.  Not just one - but he’s managed to find every copy and edit them all!!

      Most idiotic thing ever said on thi sforum.

    • Rolls Canardly says:

      04:40pm | 15/10/12

      Barker
      Selectively dealing with facts is the same as lying. I tell you what, if you can show me an example of any time before she was elected that Gillard publicly promised to put a price on carbon without equivocation during the next term of her government, I’ll donate twenty dollars to your favourite charity. OK?
       
      I’ll tell you something else. I know Gillard said she was going going to make (I think at first it was a thousand) 500 of the biggest palloodas pay the carbon tax, but eventually came up with only 250 (or so), and then compensated some of them to keep them ‘palooding’ rather than seeing their considerable workforces end up on the dole, and also compensating households for the tax they said was designed to change their behaviour by getting them to buy goods and services from ‘green’ industries.
       
      What’s more dishonest, old mate? Bagging Tony Abbott for something he hasn’t done, or completely ignoring Gillard doing something she said she wouldn’t, but went ahead regardless.

    • Sharz says:

      04:55pm | 15/10/12

      @ Bark

      Please give us a break “Abbott has used a play on words” Not even 24 hours and already you have forgotten the biggest play on words; “dying of shame” government dying of shame to can’t say it because Punch may not print.

      As far as the carbon tax goes - you can explain as much as you like play on words until the cows come home but it is etched on smart people’s foreheads “Gillard PM there will be no carbon tax under the government I lead. Full stop end of the story.

      Have you found anyone that loves you unconditionally or have can’t figure out the signs?

    • Mark says:

      06:33pm | 15/10/12

      @sharz

      “Full stop end of the story.”

      You wish.

      Everybody knows this is what the PM actually said.

      “There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead, but lets be absolutely clear. I am determined to price carbon.”

    • BruceS says:

      12:14pm | 15/10/12

      Thank you Lyall, for an informative, accurate and honest article, with which I fully agree. The mendacious PM admitted that Foreign Affairs was not her thing, and, she was totally correct.

    • It's for Oil says:

      12:16pm | 15/10/12

      Q: Why are we in Afghanistan?
      A: To stop terrorists
      Q: So why aren’t we in Indonesia?

    • lower_case_andrew says:

      12:36pm | 15/10/12

      Because Indonesian society and government is absolutely nothing like the Taliban?

      p.s. East Timer.  Happened a little while back, it was it was in the newspapers.

    • Joel M-J says:

      12:55pm | 15/10/12

      We also have excellent security and police relations with the Indonesian Government. That was not the case with the Taliban previous to 2001.

    • TheRealDave says:

      01:08pm | 15/10/12

      I agreee, its all about the Oil in Afghanistan. BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW!!


      ......what do you mean there’s no oil in Afghanistan…...

      ....shit…...I just got 5000 flyers printed up…..

    • lower_case_andrew says:

      01:18pm | 15/10/12

      East Timer = East Timor in auto-correct language.

    • Craig says:

      12:17pm | 15/10/12

      So the PM should fix the problems of the entire world because she’s made a 15 minute speech…

      Let’s get our own house in order first.

      Sexism = lost productivity. Anyone who advocates women should stay at home, accept lower paid or more junior positions, or live in a society where they are more at risk than males of sexual assault and physical abuse (thereby adding costs to businesses and societies to protect them) is an enemy to Australian prosperity.

      True liberals support and work towards gender equality.

    • marley says:

      01:03pm | 15/10/12

      Actually, true liberals put the legal framework in place and then back away from further government involvement in the market.

    • Mark says:

      01:41pm | 15/10/12

      Who is advocating that we should live in a society where women are at more risk then males of sexual assault? Or are you just trying to group people who have traditional family values and don’t believe in the glass ceiling with lunatics that don’t exist?

      > True liberals support and work towards gender equality

      This is not a liberal thing, this is called being a respectable human being. Using government power to ‘forward’ gender equality is a liberal (left) thing.

    • Bark says:

      04:32pm | 15/10/12

      Mark

      Using populism as Abbott does so well is the right wing way of ensuring there is bigotry forever more. The right would never get the “common man” vote on policy as against thier best interest, it is always about inciting prejudice. Always.  Equality is better for the nation as Craig says whereas populism is only good for the individual. It is supremacy under any other name.

    • JPJones says:

      12:45pm | 15/10/12

      “Prime Minister Gillard has met with people that jail rape victims and uphold laws to oppress women’s rights, without publicly raising the subject at all.”  Pity she isn’t tackling the problem at home and outside the parliament.  Recent case of the circumcision of 12 month old female is misogynist butchery.

    • evelyn says:

      12:29pm | 15/10/12

      Many people are confused by the ‘Arab spring’. Who should we support? Should we intervene militarily? If free and fair elections produce theocratic Governments, are we bound to respect the result as democratic? Is the Muslim brotherhood a theocratic extremist organization?
      The only way to address complex problems is to return to first principles. What is democracy? Can a theocracy ever be a democracy? The simple answer is no.
      The key to understanding is to distinguish between process and outcome: between elections and democracy. Democracy is not just a process - it is an outcome arrived at only through a democratic process.  It is more than merely an election result.
      Elections – one vote one value, secret ballot, where a majority wins, is merely a process. Since such a process empowers people politically (which is the central aim of democracy), it is often confused with democracy. But history is replete with examples (such as Hitler and the Nazi party) where the peoples’ will expressed through elections has produced undemocratic regimes.
      Democracy is not a suicide pact. A referendum to end democracy forever and intall a theocracy (ie make God’s law, sharia law, the supreme law) or, install a dictatorship, cannot ever be democratic. It would still be undemocratic even if 100% voted for the Nazi party. No democratic election can ever allow a candidate whose intent is to end democracy. Today, Hitler and the Nazi party would not be allowed to stand candidates.
      Sharia law can never be democratic. The European Court of Human Rights confirmed this in Refah Partisi v Turkey. Why? Because democracy is a political system that allows for laws to be made and changed by the people (theocracies do not allow this since God’s law is unchageable), and implement Western and universal human rights such as free speech, freedom of religion, equality of rights for gays, women and minorities.  Because sharia law makes blasphemy and apostasy punishable even by death, and systematically discriminates against gays, women and non-Muslims, it can never be democratic.
      Since the constitution of the Muslim brotherhood calls for the establishment of a worldwide Caliphate (totalitarianism) subject to sharia law, in a staged process by combining non-violent (stealthy) and violent means, it can never be democratic . The fact that many, muddle headed ‘human rights’ supporters, lend credence to the Muslim brotherhood, is a triumph for cultural relativism (all cultures are equal) and Islamism.  Theocracies are not the same as, or equal to, democracies, and never will be.
      Peace talks with the Taliban are an admission that we have lost the war against terrorism. The Taliban cannot implement democracy since to do so would be apostasy punishable by death. There is simply nothing to talk about.

    • JoniM says:

      02:02pm | 15/10/12

      In a nutshell, evelyn !
      All the rest of the world’s responses are simply for political or economic show !

    • PsychoHyena says:

      12:39pm | 15/10/12

      For some reason people seem to have this amazing ability to ignore the meaning and purpose of diplomacy. You go into a country demanding they conform to how you feel things should be and you’re going to end up with a very angry country.

      Let’s reverse the situation: How would we as Australians act if someone came into our country and told us that we were doing things wrong and that we need to follow what they believe is right?

      This is a hypothetical question and I can already see the answers being along the lines of “won’t happen, so what’s the point?” or “we’re talking about x country not Australia, different situation.”

    • marley says:

      01:14pm | 15/10/12

      I don’t think the author of this piece is talking about diplomacy.  She’s talking about issuing an ultimatum:  clean up your act or where outta here.  No more military support, nor more financial support, no more Aussaid.  No more NGOs doing good works.

      Of course, she’s ignoring what happens then.  We have no future influence at all on what happens in Afghanistan, the plight of women there continues to go downhill, and we stand back and watch.

      The reality is, the situation is not so far gone that we need to be throwing ultimata around.  A little judicious pressure here, a little arm-twisting there, a hint of a business deal or a nice fat aid package, will accomplish much more.  Now that IS diplomacy.

    • PsychoHyena says:

      01:26pm | 15/10/12

      @marley, I agree, I was thinking more about some of the comments on this article talking about Gillard displaying hypocrisy by not slamming the situation while in these countries. But then a lot of those making those comments are probably the ones who don’t realise that the militant groups would react and react strongly.

    • marley says:

      01:41pm | 15/10/12

      @psychohyena - the motto in a lot of these places if you hope to do good is “softly, softly.”  I don’t have an issue with the way Gillard is handling it.  But I do hope she is doing a bit of behind-the-scenes arm-twisting.

    • evelyn says:

      01:50pm | 15/10/12

      Marley - Not so far gone? Rubbish. Pres. Obama’s policy is clear ‘ We have lost and we are withdrawing’. The local Western trained forces are very unlikely to withstand the horrors awaiting them.  The impact on women will be appalling. You clearly do not understand diplomacy. Anyone who does knows there is a stark contrast between the idealist school (hand over money no strings attached, empower locals who are always right and hope for the best) and the realists such a Clausewitz ’ war by other means’ (use it openly and confidently, give ultimate, to secure outcomes in line with your own values and interests). Under the idealist formula there would be no UN sanctions in case it made the world look imperialistic or hurt the innocents. You need to understand diplomacy properly before blogging.

    • dovif says:

      03:57pm | 15/10/12

      Psychohyena

      It never stopped Rudd going into China and telling the government off over its human right’s policy

      Or Howard with the Indonesians over East Timor

      I just some politicians have conviction and some just askes

      “was Abbott involved?”? “No”
      “can I link him by innuendo?”?  “No”
      “Why should I care”?

    • marley says:

      04:13pm | 15/10/12

      @evelyn - I think I understand diplomacy at least as well as you do.  There is the idealist school of your description, which has very few followers these days;  there is the realist school - hand over some money, impose plenty of oversight, lots of strings, and monitor closely;  and there is the strongarm school - force them into, usually, temporary submission through military force, gunboat diplomacy, sanctions.  There’s one other school as well:  the isolationist school.  Back out totally and wash your hands of the mess.  That’s what the author is proposing.

      At the moment, we are at the realist stage.  Obama is withdrawing his troops, as are we.  But both we and the US will still be actively engaged in other ways in Afghanistan, trying to nudge the government in the right direction. That’s where we should be.  Going isolationist now while the situation is still fluid, removing whatever influence we have entirely, as the author seems to wish, would be far worse for the population.  It may be that’s what we’ll have to do if the Taliban takes over, but that time is not yet.

    • evelyn says:

      06:30pm | 15/10/12

      No Marley we are not in the ‘realist phase’. The idea is preposterous. Realism is not about negotiating with the Taliban in the vain hope they will not implement sharia law. Realism is making our aid and support completely dependent on them complying with our standards of Western and universal human rights or instead devastating them with overwhelming force once and for all. Whilst we have been there, our cultural relativist politicians and lawyers have given them aid and stood by whilst they systematically betray all that we believe in. We are simply withdrawing as quickly as possible because we never did the job of devastating them properly. It’s that simple.  Chances are we will be dragged back when the region explodes. This time we must leave no trace of the Taliban. No more responses to your nuisance ping pong today Marley. A good argument stands alone on its own strength.

    • Tanya says:

      12:54pm | 15/10/12

      Julia Gillard isn’t capable of changing an entire culture in a fly-in fly-out visit, nor is she likely to advance the cause of international diplomacy or the status of women in Afghanistan by either threatening to withdraw support or withdrawing it. At best she could point out a displeasing ideological difference that would be discarded as exactly that anyhow. You can’t punish a dog that isn’t house trained for pissing on the floor. Real motivation aside, the best method of enacting change of that magnitude is to have a voice over time and that is what the Australian government and allies are doing. What you are advocating, Lyall, is that Australia withdraw its troops and financial assistance. I happen to agree. But it is clear that isn’t an option for reasons associated with allied defence and other global dependencies or withdraw we would. And that isn’t advancing the cause either.

    • evelyn says:

      01:34pm | 15/10/12

      Tripe. The writer never said the PM can make overnight change or should withdraw support. Exactly the opposite.  Sadly the PM lacks basic competence, let alone power or influence with the Taliban. Gillard PM is wedded to Pres. Obama’s ‘peace through weakness and cultural relativism’ strategy of withdrawal from conflict in the Middle East, Afghanistan and Iraq, apologizing and gradually implementing sharia blasphemy laws.
      The PM says nothing partly because causing offence is politically incorrect and may induce more Benghazi style terrorism. Both the US and Australia dare not give offence let alone defeat the Taliban militarily. If the Taliban rule and grow strong, as they will after withdrawal, then genocide and the conquest of Pakistan by extremists may well result in a failed State there.  We may need to pour even more troops and resources into the region later in order to prevent gender or religious cleansing or even nuclear war.

    • Tanya says:

      02:37pm | 15/10/12

      @ evelyn: ‘The PM says nothing partly because causing offence is politically incorrect and may induce more Benghazi style terrorism.’

      Sounds like good enough reason to me!

    • evelyn says:

      06:57pm | 15/10/12

      No. NO. Rewarding terrorism by being silent in the face of their appalling behaviour is simply appeasment. Aside from being immoral, it never works. It invites greater concessions.

    • Get Real says:

      01:00pm | 15/10/12

      PsychoHyena, that already is happening in Australia.

    • Jane says:

      01:12pm | 15/10/12

      What a silly silly article.

    • Luke says:

      01:25pm | 15/10/12

      So Lyall. You are saying as long as Tony Abbott is not as sexist as the Taliban, then it shouldn’t be an issue. It is good to see you hold him to such high standards.

    • John says:

      01:59pm | 15/10/12

      @Luke

      Not for want of trying, though.

    • TheRealDave says:

      03:49pm | 15/10/12

      Actually - there you have it, the Liberal Party’s campaign slogan for the next election:

      “Tony Abbott - Not as Bad as the Taliban’

      Attention Liberal Party: You can contact The Punch for my contact details to send me my cheque.

      You’re welcome.

    • mikem says:

      01:38pm | 15/10/12

      The Liberal can try and rewrite history as much as they like but that will not change the fact that their two year campaign against Julia Gillard has always had a sexist edge to it and Tony Abbott has always been front and centre to that campaign.  To suggest that Julia Gillard has no right to object to it is a bit rich.

    • Kika says:

      02:22pm | 15/10/12

      Well said.

      Like I said to them this morning they can’t see through their blue tinted glasses and want to believe what they want to believe.

    • Schmoyoho says:

      01:53pm | 15/10/12

      I can’t wait for an election debate, going to songify the hell out of that.

      Schmoyoho, accent on the yoho!

    • dobbo says:

      02:01pm | 15/10/12

      On the subject of Afghanistan can someone please tell poor old NewsLtd that our Prime Minister has just visited our soldiers in that country. Just been reading on the Brisbane Times website about it from Michelle Grattan. From statements like the following sounds like it might have been of interest to some.

      “During a long and hectic day, the PM was also briefed by the commander of the coalition forces, the United States’ John Allen, as well as by the Australian military. She told a news conference later that General Allen had said the mission was on track for the full handover to the Afghan security forces by the end of next year.” etc etc.

      Of course the other possibility is bias and not wishing to cast the PM in a good light but rather to push Mr Abbott’s groundbreaking talks with Indonesian PM as happened on this morning’s front page of The Oz. Ah well maybe tomorrow things will be different.  We’ll see.

    • ????Young Liberals????? says:

      02:29pm | 15/10/12

      Dobbo I am surprise Abbott even knew where the Indonesian PM was. Tony Abbott is Rupert Murdoch B1T(H!!!!!!!!!!

    • dobbo says:

      04:01pm | 15/10/12

      Y Lib…he may not find the Pres…probably still trying to decipher that pesky electricity bill from WA.

    • SydneyGirl says:

      02:21pm | 15/10/12

      Speaking of misogyny The Punch needs to an article on the Reddit guy who is a nice old grandfather who likes to post pics of girls under the age of 16 - including dead ones - has a subreddit called Misogyny and is “upfront” about his tastes (though he would have much preffered to be anon until Gawker tracked him down).

    • Bob says:

      02:26pm | 15/10/12

      If Abbott said the following would he be a sexist??

      ‘‘He is Gina Rinehart’s butler.’’ Gillard, Hansard, May 28.

      ‘‘Like Jack the Ripper, he is going to be there wielding his knife.’’ Gillard, Hansard, August 20’’

    • yes man says:

      02:35pm | 15/10/12

      and Rupert’s B1(th

    • Kika says:

      02:30pm | 15/10/12

      We may not jail them, but there’s plenty of people who think rape victims ‘ask’ for it by what they say, or wear. And that’s here, not Afghanistan. There’s the Erick’s of the world who will tell you of false rape accusations and back up their case by citing trials acquitted for lack of evidence. The fact remains that it’s difficult to ‘prove’ rape. Not many victims trot off to the local cop shop right after the act and request a swab test.
      And what about child victims? How many children have been ignored in the past - think of the Boys Town issue - how many of their cries for help were ignored? 
      While we are a far, far cry from Afghanistan but I believe charity begins at home. Just because we don’t throw rape victims in jail doesn’t mean that their needs are put first and their abusers are brought to fair justice.

      We should be trying to clean up our own backyard before we start pointing fingers at others worse off and trying to exonerate ourselves from blame.

    • ruru says:

      02:35pm | 15/10/12

      Gawd…
      Yet another half arsed effort at diluting the PMs stance.
      What next?
      Yesterday an opinion piece was pointing the finger at the little 14 yr old girl in Pakistan & using her to show us what REAL misogyny looked like.
      Today its the women in Afghanistan.
      What tomorrow?
      Misogyny & sexism is found in varying degrees everywhere - including the homes & workplaces of this country. And just because ours is less obvious, less anything does not excuse it.
      A bit like a battered woman making excuses: “I know he loves me, he only gives me a slap when I make him angry. I’m lucky, it could be worse!”

    • Liam says:

      02:46pm | 15/10/12

      Tony Abbott met with the President of Indonesia, the largest country with the largest Muslim population in the world. The Islamic religion is generally dismissive of women’s rights. Therefore, Tony Abbott is a misogynist.
      See, I can draw a long bow too!!!

    • Kika says:

      03:01pm | 15/10/12

      Exactly. Tony wasn’t exactly bringing up the laws about the banning of mini skirts and inheritance laws for women, was he?

    • glenm says:

      05:15pm | 15/10/12

      Tony Abbott looked at his watch while a woman spoke… sexist bastard.
      Julia Gillard cut funding to single mothers… Woman hater
      See its really quite an easy game to play.

      Now how about you kiddies run along and play while the adults talk about more important things.

    • Zaf says:

      02:59pm | 15/10/12

      [Let’s be clear – this young girl was the victim of the rape, not the perpetrator. That any culture can allow a girl to be thrown in jail for being the victim of a violent crime is unconscionable.]

      The sad truth is that if that girl wasn’t in jail, her family would have killed her for being dishonored.  In an awful way she was being protected from them by the bars.

    • Fed Up says:

      03:03pm | 15/10/12

      I like the way Labor and left wing tree huggers like to hyjack the meaning of words and redefine them in a form of hate speach.
      No way is Abbott a mysongynist…its just vile hate speech coming from Ju-liar.
      If you oppose gay marriage you’re automatically taged a homophobe.
      What opposing gay marriage and the fear of being labelled a homosexual have to do with each other is anyones guess.
      Words like these and Xenophobe are used to shut down arguement and vehemently ooze of hate speech.

    • James says:

      03:37pm | 15/10/12

      Redefine them in a form of hate speech like ... Ju-liar, for example.

    • TheRealDave says:

      06:11pm | 15/10/12

      Sadly the hypocrisy of the comments go o far over their heads….

    • Joan says:

      03:04pm | 15/10/12

      Spot on Lyall. And day after day Gillard continues to trash Labor and trash Australia with failed policy implementation, ignoring her failures all tihe time blaming Abbott for them . Australian politics taken to lowest level by Gillard who draws the gender card to deflect deserved criticism,  her self-serving `feel sorry for Gillard ` rant will go down as worst speech in Australian parliament.- compare her rant to Rudd Sorry Day speech . As for freedom Gillard and Labor women have more in common with Temperance Movement 1900`s with their restrictions on cigs, plans for alcohol taxes. freedom of speech at risk as well.  Gillard coup the overnight knifing of Rudd as a lot in common with third world despotic countries don’t expect Gillard to make the right decision on Afghanistan. On news today Gillard from Afghanistan was yabbering on about Bulldogs. What a lightweight.

    • Esteban says:

      03:20pm | 15/10/12

      The comparative proof model is popular with many people.

      Australia’s debt/GDP is low compared to many countries so that is proof that we don’t have a problem with debt.

      Similarly it would seem that our levels of sexism are low compared to many countries so that must also proove that we don’t have a sexism problem.

    • P. Walker says:

      03:38pm | 15/10/12

      MISOGYNY??

      Ms Gillard, lets imagine you are a Mr Gillard.  Yep still bloody hopeless and incompetent, nothing to do with your gender.  Stabbed Rudd i the back because they, the Labor Party, was losing its way!
      Still lost, still as damn useless as ever, so perhaps a little tear now and again to suck some sympathy up, eh?
      If that’s how women play the game you deserve all you get.

      ...and yes Lyall, what a damn insult to those females fighting actual misogynist , the people like the, yes “hand bag hit squad”, make a mockery out of these poor individuals.

    • StanleyG says:

      03:45pm | 15/10/12

      lt was good to see on the weekend that Penny Wong and Greg Combet spoke out against fhis stupid ““gender war”“. Hopefully this attitude will filter through the entire ALP. Unfortunately,though,it is not their decision to make. That resposibility lies in the lap of their ventriliquist McTernan.

    • Sharon says:

      06:09pm | 15/10/12

      The only reason Labor doesn’t want to talk about the gender war they started is because the rude crude offensive joke said about Tony Abbott and his chief of staff at an Union function attended by Labor senior minister eg Wayne Swan, was far worse than the Allan Jones offensive remarks. It reeks with double standards and breathtaking hypocrisy. Lucky for them Abbott and the LNP where they stand in the Polls do not need to gain political mileage like Labor did, with the Allan Jones remarks which went on for at least 2 weeks.

      Beware of those that will lump the LNP with the dirty way Labor plays the game. We are beginning to hear both parties are to blame, no party is better than the other, there was no winner last week etc etc This kind of talk from the media and Labor will only give us another bloody hung parliament. I really don’t think I could stand it.

    • TheRealDave says:

      03:52pm | 15/10/12

      So is this a paid PR piece or not?

      Given that the author runs a PR firm. If so - who commissioned it?

    • M. Mouse says:

      04:42pm | 15/10/12

      Meanwhile she is allowing her government to give 79 million a year in aid to a country which can afford nuclear weapons and where they actually shoot dead thier female politicians. Just like thier nighbours, who get 8 million of our aid dollars, also have nuclear weapons and assasinated their female PM as well. But I suppose they don’t count as “misogynist nut jobs”

    • TheRealDave says:

      06:13pm | 15/10/12

      Do you really want to play that game Mouse? Because we’ve been giving aid to both of those countries for a long time and others with very bad civil rights and equality issues…..I know Liberal memories tend to get hazy after late 2007 and all….

    • Mark says:

      04:54pm | 15/10/12

      Why is it that whenever we want to view Abbott as being relevant, we must wind back the clock several decades or compare him to a ruler of a 3rd world,  war torn nation?

    • aussiemef says:

      05:24pm | 15/10/12

      Sir, your logic is absurd.  Unless we speak about all the problems in the world all the time we are not really concerned with the one specific problem being dealt with in a specific situation.  Over 28 years I have worked in three continents away from Australia.  Returning to work in Australia I find the sexism and male chauvinism in Auatralia in the field in which I work and in the sporting world as manifest in AFL and NRL far worse than anything I encountered overseas in 28 years.  I for one am grateful that the PM said what she said.  When on earth will the Liberls see sense and replace Toy Abbott wit Malcolm Turnbull.  Please let it be before the next election.

    • Jim says:

      05:30pm | 15/10/12

      And women in Australia think they are hard done by.  Let’s see now, in some other countries, the “Sisterhood” would love to have the freedoms enjoyed here, like:

      You are not arrested for going outside without a male relation.
      You actually get chance to attend school and university, so that you can read and write.
      You are allowed to drive a car.
      You can wear lipstick and make up in public, plus high heels without being condemned to death for “inciting the passions of men”.
      No one tells you what clothes you can or cannot wear.
      You can have a same sex relationship or an affair without being stoned to death.
      You can choose “who to” or “even if” you get married.

      Women in Australia are a damn sight luckier than some in other countries, and yet, they STILL complain that they have it ‘so hard’.  Give me a break.

 

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