If Malcolm Turnbull achieved nothing else yesterday he may have at least shut Wilson Tuckey up for five minutes.

They're alive. Malcolm Turnbull and Julie Bishop emerge from the Beaconsfield mine

Yesterday’s five hour joint party room meeting was a victory for Malcolm Turnbull but it was one that doesn’t leave a great deal of time for basking in the afterglow.

Malcolm Turnbull and Ian MacFarlane now have the right to sit down and discuss a set of agreed amendments with Penny Wong and Turnbull’s leadership is safe until at least the end of the year.  And while it’s not much Malcolm Turnbull will take any small mercies at the moment and they’re ones he has fought hard for.

You can read the ins and the outs of the amendments here, but the important points to take out of it are: 

- That agriculture would be permanently excluded from the Government’s CPRS but they would still be able to offset their emissions similar to schemes in the US and UK

- The coal industry would be protected from being charged for “fugitive emissions” , that means the gases released when mining coal.

The Coalition concessions to farming and coal industry are massive, and may be big enough to have them knocked off the negotiating table by Penny Wong from the outset.

On the other hand they’re also pretty popular in the bush and with the mining industry (the minerals council was quick to support the move last night), so the Opposition will at least be in the position of being seen to stand up for farmers and miners.

The Government’s also going to be quick to point out that climate change spokesman Ian MacFarlane admitted that the Coalition amendments would more than likely mean that the CPRS will lose money in the first few years.

If - and that’s a big if - Malcolm Turnbull and Ian MacFarlane can come out of negotiations with the Government with enough of their amendments still intact they then still have to go back to the party room to have them approved.

What’s going to happen there is unclear but last night Malcolm Turnbull didn’t seem too optimistic, stressing time and again when asked whether he would actually be able to get Coalition support that all that had been agreed to was a sit down with Penny Wong.

Turnbull says he’s “confident” that the party room would agree to support the legislation with the changes, but in reality that’s unlikely.

There’s a minority of Liberals – “less than 10” according to MacFarlane – who don’t support a scheme and according to Liberal sources even many climate sceptics believed that the amendments should still be supported.

Self-proclaimed leader of the rebels Wilson Tuckey apparently was given the floor on several occasions, despite MPs only having three minutes to speak each, but looked a little more red-faced and agitated than usual when he emerged from the party room.

Leaving the meeting he begrudgingly stated: “Mr. Turnbull has got party room support on his much-repeated words that he can put some amendments up to Penny Wong.”

The Nationals are of course another matter all together.

Queensland Senator Ron Boswell gave an impassioned speech against the ETS, with leaders Warren Truss and Barnaby Joyce saying last night they were still unlikely to vote any scheme.

Senator Joyce told The Punch last night that he may consider voting in favour of the amendments but still against the scheme overall, in a bid to protect farmers from what he calls a “dog” of a policy.

This option would allow the Nationals to register their overall disapproval with an ETS but still get amendments when the introduction of a scheme becomes a fait accompli.

The Greens of course won’t go near Coalition amendments, but given that they’ve dealt themselves out of the game with their demands the Government will be happy to pass the scheme with themselves and a majority of Liberals.

All this of course is a long way off and has a day dream like quality in the amount of things that would have to go Malcolm Turnbull’s way before it could be achieved. But for the first time in a long time at least Turnbull can be afforded that luxury.

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    • BT says:

      08:42pm | 19/10/09

      @ chemist,
      You’ll forgive me for taking the United Nation’s perspective over yours I’m sure.

    • chemist says:

      06:40pm | 19/10/09

      BT the whole vegan/vegetarian environmental argument is complete nonsense. Livestock are simply replacements for the vast wild herds that once existed.

      Water vapour is responsible for 96% of the greenhouse effect. CO2 is responsible for less than 3%. The TOTAL human contribution (from all activities including agriculture) to greenhouse gases is 0.1%.

      That’s right. - 99.9% of greenhouse emissions are natural.

      Termites produce more methane than all human activities combined.

    • BT says:

      04:16pm | 19/10/09

      Until there is a significant global reduction in meat production, a practice which produces more carbon emissions globally than all combined forms of transport, there is no point in any emissions trading scheme. See the United Nations or Peter Singers publications. Go vegetarian or vegan, it’s the most effective thing we can all do to reduce carbon emissions. Not a particularly popular suggestion I realise, particularly with lazy fast food consumers whose taste buds died long ago, but it’s the (inconvenient) truth.

    • Jennifer Nash says:

      03:22pm | 19/10/09

      Bertrand 02:51pm | 19/10/09 – first of all are you really a lawyer?  Secondly why do you use this online forum to abuse me and call me crazy?  Is this was trained lawyers really do? 

      If you really were a lawyer as you claim to be, you would know that the Federal Court of Australia is the correct place and according to HREOC the only place to ask for a judicial review. 

      And by the way, The Wall Street Journal does not think I am crazy, because they and many others like The Huffington Post, USA Today, Daylife, Interceder, Mathaba, Newstin, genuine lawyers and many others have actually published my citizen journalist articles on several occasions because they believe me.  They see that the dogged silence further speaks to my credibility.

      The late US Senator Edward Kennedy from Boston’s letter (see my post) suggests I am no crazy, otherwise he wouldn’t have bothered to personally write to me and advocate for my son’s case, when he clearly did not have to do so as we are not American citizens.

      This is both a state and federal matter, as it involves breaches of the Rights of the Child and the ICCPR, the Federal Court of Australia and the HREOC.
      School bullying is a criminal offence and has devastating consequences for victims, even if you want to trivialise and distort my son’s case and the issues of judicial corruption and high level political cover up surrounding it.

      This article was also published by The Wall Street Journal:

      Parliamentary Crime and Misconduct Committee a disgrace http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/05/429716.html

      Did you bother to read any of my following articles mentioned in my blog?

      How the Federal Court of Australia selectively denies The Rights Of The Child https://publish.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/05/430998.html

      The Misery and Fairytale Commission where complaining is simply illegal http://sydney.indymedia.org.au/image/misery-and-fairytale-commission-where-complaining-simply-illegal

      Human Rights Commission defends regime – not youth   http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/03/424195.html

      You are using the straw man fallacy to distort and misrepresent our case.  How unprofessional of you!  Not to mention nasty! 

      This is what Huguette Labelle, Chair of Transparency International says about judicial corruption:

      “Equal treatment before the law is a pillar of democratic societies. When courts are corrupted by greed or political expediency, the scales of justice are tipped, and ordinary people suffer. Judicial corruption means the voice of the innocent goes unheard, while the guilty act with impunity”.

      Why don’t you find yourself another forum to attack victims of human rights abuses Bertrand?

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      03:10pm | 19/10/09

      ETS is NOT a carbon tax. A carbon tax is simple. A carbon tax is harder to rort.  ETS is effectively a licence to pollute that can be traded. Can anyone say another derivative market? Can you see the lobbyists forming a line outside Rudd’s door to claim special exemption for this and that sector or industry?

    • Jennifer Nash says:

      02:07pm | 19/10/09

      Michael - 10:51am | 19/10/09 did you bother to read any of my citizen journalist articles by clicking on the links I provided? 

      E.g. Bullied schoolboy wants Kevin Rudd to address judicial corruption   http://www.mathaba.net/0_index.shtml?x=618292

      Governor of Queensland’s charade and judicial corruption denial continues
      http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/8/21/770060/-Governor-of-Queenslands-charade-and-judicial-corruption-denial-continues-

      Excerpt from my above citizen journalist article Governor of Queensland’s charade… “On 30 June 2009 Ms Nash attended a community cabinet forum where she personally hand delivered a letter to Labor Prime Minister Rudd, asking him to personally intervene in this matter.  She had contacted him many times previously, but never received a response. 

      On 10 August Ms Nash received a letter from Anna Bligh’s Senior Policy Advisor, informing her that Mr Rudd had referred her letter to him to Anna Bligh, who in turn referred it back to the “Honourable” Cameron Dick, who continues to ignore Ms Nash and her long suffering teenage son. 

      The offensive letter ends with “The Premier trusts this arrangement is satisfactory to you”.

      Premier Bligh had previously shirked all responsibility by referring Ms Nash’s corruption complaint to the previous Attorney General, the “Honourable” Kerry Shine, who just like the “Honourable” Mr Dick, refused to acknowledge the family and their right to public service in their own country service on equal terms”. 

      I had applied for a one on one meeting with either Kevin Rudd or Attorney General Robert McClelland at the Beenleigh forum, but unlike many other people I did not get a meeting.

      Has it not occurred to you that if Kevin Rudd, Anna Bligh or Queensland Attorney General Cameron Dick really wanted to comment on my corroberated and documented allegations, and draw attention to them, they would long have done so? 

      And had EVERY opportunity to do so!

      Can you not see that the all round silence speaks a thousand words?

      Do you know what the straw man fallacy is?

    • Bertrand says:

      01:51pm | 19/10/09

      Wow Jennifer, i am a lawyer and you seem 100% crazy. If you see the place to work out your son’s bullying problem as the Federal Court, and you think that this is the most important thing for the opposition leader to be focusing on, i think your son has bigger things to worry about than the people at school.

    • stephen says:

      12:44pm | 19/10/09

      Malcolm’s cactus. And Wilson Tuckey is startin’ to look like John Elliot : his nose touches his bottom lip.

    • MichaelM says:

      12:05pm | 19/10/09

      Before Wilson Tuckey was “shut up” (which I don’t think actually has happened), he told a door-stop TV interviewer that the so-called amendments amounted to 3 pages. Turnbull and McFarlane have NOT done the work required for a serious debate with the government, presenting material that allows for a clause by clause, point by point, amending of the government’s legislation. They are simply going to roll up with their ‘wish-list’ again. There will be no good faith discussions with this Mal-led mob, because all they are doing is playing politics, under a leader who doesn’t have the first idea about the hard graft of politics, or indeed, it seems, anything. He may not have been born with a silver spoon in his mouth, he may have lived as a child in a rented flat, but ever since he’s hitched his caboose to a series of other peoples’ gravy trains, he’s got too used to it being all too easy. He’s very good at jumping ship before anyone else has spotted the shoals ahead - see One.Tel, HIH - but not so good at “buck stops here” navigation.

    • Steve says:

      11:18am | 19/10/09

      I find it very sad when the Government is pushing to introduce a tax on everything, Fuel, electricity, employment, food, transport, breathing and the issue for the media is the opposition and their leader. WTF?

      This Carbon Tax will push the price of everything up, justified or not prices will go up, everywhere.
      Remember the hoopla over the GST?
      What will milk cost?  What will a birthday cake cost?  What will electricity cost and the gate keepers of public opinion in this country are so obsessed with trying to give the opposition a hard time they can not bring themselves to ask these questions of the Government……..

    • Michael says:

      09:51am | 19/10/09

      Jennifer Nash - and what did the Rudd Government have to say? or did you just go to the Opposition about this issue? Last time I looked Rudd was in Government not Turnbull? Shouldn’t we be hearing what the Government of the day has to say? Or is this just a another chance for you to give a little anti Turnbull reporting?

    • Sherlock says:

      09:28am | 19/10/09

      Well the libs can say goodbye to my vote. I’m not voting for any party that approves a tax on the Australian population to fund a scheme that won’t do anything to mitagate the effects of any climate change. Australian are being taken for a ride by both major parties who want to introduce a new tax. It’s either criminal or just insanity

    • Biff says:

      08:20am | 19/10/09

      Mr Turnbull is just Rudd Lite. We need to know the minutiae of this Employment Termination Scheme before the ink dries.

    • watty says:

      08:14am | 19/10/09

      Four and a half hours to decide THIS? And Malcolm is happy?

      I am sure Rudd and Wong will rush out and embrace this “new look” ETS.
      Just as I am sure Rudd would rather swallow broken glass than Malcolm’s amendments.

    • Daniel says:

      07:07am | 19/10/09

      Malcolm is on borrowed time. He will not be around for the next election.

    • king of pain says:

      06:24am | 19/10/09

      Typically, this looks like government asset stripping. Its unfortunate that Turnbull isnt a Liberal asset or he would be gone. All these so called ecological policies appear to do is strip those with few assets, except for their land, and strip that of them too. Corporations are not going to stay in Australia very long if these policies are put into place. Come on the recession we have to have…...

    • RosscO says:

      06:17am | 19/10/09

      At least the class clown, Tuckey, might have had his nose pulled enough to shut him down for a couple of days.

 

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