It’s highly annoying when recounting a tale of woe, pouring your heart out and shaking your fist, only to hear an unsympathetic someone crow: “That’s nothing, mate … blah, blah, blah … my neck’s bigger than yours.”

A quiet evening in Rome

So when I hear Australians complaining about how other Australians drive, I tend just to nod my head rather than thicken my neck. I tend not to mention the past 10 years sharing asphalt with the Italians, for whom the speed of light is considered conservative, in the wet, in reverse, in their driveways.

That’s not to suggest I haven’t seen daredevil tactics in Oz. Despite the recent “good news” about 2011 registering the lowest number of road deaths since 1946, we still have our share of hoons, road rage and drink-driving are still a problem, and if I had a dollar for every P-plater I saw texting while driving… It’s as though they think you can steer with a smartphone. Perhaps one day you’ll be able to, if Darwinism extends to gadgets.

Compared with what I have seen – and somehow survived – overseas, however, Aussie motorists must be the most considerate on the planet. After a decade of dodgems in Europe, I find myself wanting to hug them for their ability to share a street, to indicate their intentions, to stop at traffic lights, to honk horns as a last resort rather than at the first hint of inconvenience. It feels nice to be overcome rather than overtaken.

Driving in Italy, on the other hand, should be sponsored by Red Bull. I’ve flown aerobatic aircraft, sky-dived, white-water rafted and been to the dentist, but by far the most frightening thing I’ve ever done is drive a car in Italy.

The first time I attempted this extreme sport was in Palermo – the chaotic capital of Sicily. If the average Sydneysider could spend five seconds driving in Palermo they would never complain about the M5 or King Georges Road again, presuming they lived to compare.

I swerved rather than drove through Palermo. Cars were five abreast on what would have been a three-lane road if anyone had bothered to paint lines on it. STOP signs were suggestions, red lights as optional as milk in coffee, and zebra crossings less an aid for pedestrians than for emergency crews in search of their bodies. And that was on a Sunday morning! Most mortals were in church, which is where I headed afterwards to confess to being scared of these good Catholics but bad drivers.

While Palermo is particularly perilous, it is indicative of much of a country that loses about 5000 people a year on its bloodstained bitumen. Why so many?Let’s start with STOP signs, which, unfortunately, many Italians do without giving way to anything other than their inner Schumacher. In southern Italy, STOP signs referee many intersections. Some are so faded it is only their octagonal shape which reminds of their disciplinary role. They are like mistletoe – an optional obligation to be observed or ignored depending on advantage. Unfortunately, too many motorists chose the latter, often resulting in a metallic sound.

Zebra crossings are a waste of perfectly good white paint. Most are faded and ignored, much like the pedestrians who brave them. At a crossing in Australia you can pretty much count on traffic stopping and allowing you safe passage. In Italy you can pretty much count on being overlooked until you die of old age.

A great way to diet would be to place a chocolate cake on the far end of an Italian zebra crossing. Try as you might, you will NEVER eat the cake. I once stopped for an elderly woman at an Italian pedestrian crossing and she was so gobsmacked she curtsied and blew me a kiss.I hope she wasn’t trying to diet.

Apart from a few multi-lane labyrinths, roundabouts in Australia are relatively uncomplicated. In Europe, however, they can be terrifying and were well portrayed in National Lampoon’s European Vacation, when Chevy Chase and his frustrated family spent almost an entire day in the grips of one. “Look, kids – Big Ben, Houses of Parliament. Look, kids – Big Ben, Houses of parliament…”. That was London – things are still pretty straightforward there. But cross to The Continent and it is survival of the fittest, and often the fastest, though “survival” is a poor choice of word when 39,000 people died on European roads in 2008 alone.

Despite our own road toll, low but still tragically high, Australian roads are safer than those of many overseas countries thanks – on the whole – to our respect for other motorists and for speed limits.
This extends to taxi drivers. I often hear Australians complain about cabbies but until you’ve had a white-knuckle ride in a cab in Cairo, Mumbai or Rio de Janeiro, you can let go of that door handle.  A taxi driver in New York once offered me a joint! I didn’t inhale. In fact I didn’t breathe at all until we somehow arrived at JFK. I think the plane back to Europe travelled more slowly than that taxi.

Back in Italy, if you do manage to make an accident-free trip from A to B, the danger isn’t over until you’ve parked at C. Italians own more cars a head of population than any other country in Europe. Their love of the automobile is famous, less so their squabbles over parking them all in a country that has more cathedrals than car parks.

A man in Naples murdered his neighbour over a parking dispute. While in Sicily two 70-year-old men bit each other’s ears off over who was entitled to 3m of asphalt. Apparently they took the matter to court but couldn’t hear the judge deliver his verdict. Everyone’s grievances are relevant to their environment and complaining about bad driving in Australia is often justified. Yet compared with many overseas countries, as in a variety of departments, in my experience Australia is streets ahead.

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    • acotrel says:

      05:46am | 10/02/12

      If I look back on my lifetime of driving in Victoria, I can see a dramatic improvement in our driving habits.  When I was a kid, the road toll one year was 1034, but that is a negative performance indicator.  The traffic density in our capitol cities has increased dramatically and we now drive much more defensively.  We can improve in one main area - if another vehicle is not a perceived threat we tend to ignore it.  Sensibly we’d all be better off commuting on postie motorcycles, but the lack of observance of our duty of care amongst car drivers would mean the motorcycle ward in the Alfred Hospital in Melbourne would have a lot more customers !

    • Mahhrat says:

      05:55am | 10/02/12

      I get this is more or less light hearted, but I wonder how many of us that complain about the “nanny state” don’t realise the benefits that such restrictions bring?

      I can let my kid cross a street here, but would never if it’s even half as bad over there as they suggest.

      Five THOUSAND deaths a year?!  Dear sweet ninja bread men.  I can’t even fathom that.

      I think I’ll try to spend more time enjoying my luck at being where I am.

    • marley says:

      07:37am | 10/02/12

      @Mahrat - well, according to the OECD, the fatality rate in Italy per 100,000 people is 7.1 while in Australia it’s 7.0 - so the difference is less than you might think.

      Italy isn’t the easiest place to drive, or to be a pedestrian, but as long as you keep your wits about you, it’s not that bad either.  It’s not, however, a place to be wandering around with iPods or iPhones on the go.

    • M says:

      08:40am | 10/02/12

      You have to remember that the Italian population is 3 time that of Australia. It’s all well and good comparing their road toll of 5000 a year to our 1291 (2011 toll), but please, compare apples with apples.

      Adjusted for population, with our 1291 deaths between roughly 22 million people, we have a fatality rate of 5.8 per 100,000. The Italians, assuming 5000 deaths in a country of roughly 60 million is 8.3 people per 100,000. Higher, yes, but only slightly so and still comparitivly low with regards to deaths per 100,000 in the rest of the world, as shown here:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate

      We don’t have any carnage on our roads, we are one of the safest countries in the world to drive in. That said, I don’t agree that that nanny stateism is a good idea. I don’t like being wrapped in cotton wool and not allowed to take my own risks. But apparently I’m a little different to “normal” australians, insofar that I don’t subscribe to the convict mentality.

    • Marc says:

      09:03am | 10/02/12

      The nanny state brings no benefits.

    • Bertrand says:

      09:47am | 10/02/12

      @Marc - I agree. We should do away with all workplace safety laws, traffic laws, food safety standards, etc.

    • Marc says:

      10:17am | 10/02/12

      @ Bertrand, I didn’t say get rid of every law and quality control in our society, I’m against the government mentality of “we will stop you doing this, because it has a potential to cause harm to yourself.”

      I don’t like being told what to do by faceless beaurocrats. I’m a functioning adult, I’ll decide what I can and can’t do, and as long as I don’t harm anyone else through my actions, I believe I am justified.

    • Bertrand says:

      11:40am | 10/02/12

      @Marc - you said it brings no benefits.

      That’s a pretty absolute statement. Things like food safety standards and OH&S laws are products of a nanny state mentality, and proof that the nanny state isn’t all bad.

      Feel free to argue against specific regulations you don’t like (I do it all the time), but try to avoid making blanket statements.

    • Marc says:

      12:17pm | 10/02/12

      @ Betrand, let’s look at traffic law, since that’s pretty easy. We’ve trained generations of Australians to rely on the government enforced speed limits for their safey instead of taking personal responsibility. They mistakenly believe that as long as they drive at or below the speed limit, they’ll be safe. This is despite the fact that the vast majority (98%) of fatalities happen at or below the speed limit. Instead of driving to the conditions, correctly judging stopping or following distances, or even paying attention to the other myriad of road rules that are ignored daily, we’ve encouraged a mindset that states “if I don’t speed, I am 100% safe, as every k over is a killer.”

      Before you ask, yes, i’d be happy to introduce a german style system where there are limits of up to 150km/h on certain roads, and no speed limits on others, whilst the majority of town speed limits remain as they are. But for that to happen, we’d have to re-educate the entire population in how to drive. It simply won’t happen in Australia.

    • Panico says:

      01:23pm | 10/02/12

      Italian road deaths year by year according to ISTAT (Italian version of Australian Bureau of Statistics):
      In 2000 there were 7061 deaths
      In 2001 there were 7096 deaths
      2002 = 6980
      2003 = 6563
      2004 = 6122
      2005 = 5818
      2006 = 5669
      2007 = 5131
      2008 = 4737
      2009 = 4237
      2010 = 4090
      Average over 10 years = 6349

    • Bertrand says:

      04:18pm | 10/02/12

      @Marc - I don’t know where you get your figures (most likely some speed camera conspiracy site).

      Here’s what the NSW RTA has to say about speed related fatalities:
      “Speeding remains the biggest killer on our roads.  In NSW speeding is a factor in about 40 per cent of road deaths.  This means on average around 177 people die each year in speed-related crashes in NSW.

      Speeding was a factor in the deaths of 886 people over five years 2005-2009. In addition to those killed, more than 4200 people are injuried in speed-related crashes every year.”

      It would seem to me that measures aimed to limit the number of people speeding on our roads are completely reasonable, as are any fines handed out for people breaking the law.

      You are also making the mistake of assuming that people who obey the traffic laws assume that this is all it takes to be a good driver. Obeying the rules of the road is one of the things a good driver does, but not the only thing. All those other things you mentioned count. Based on my observations, the people following the road rules also tend to be the people who drive with a better attitude on the roads in most other ways. The speeders are more likely to be the tailgaters, lane-weavers,phone-talkers, etc. Their attitude towards speeding is mirrored in their other attitudes on the road.

      But if we are going to see a real improvement in driver attitudes and skills, the solution is most likely mandatory advanced driver education, which sounds like nanny-statism, and we all know how you feel about that.

    • Mark/Fox says:

      09:16pm | 10/02/12

      All the stress is because of overpopulation. Why anyone would let their population explode you would have to ask, but ours has gone past an enviromentally sustainable number and heading to the insane bucket

    • Barge Arse says:

      06:22am | 10/02/12

      Not fair to compare Australia to a third world country!

    • Wayne Kerr says:

      08:11am | 10/02/12

      You’re an idiot.

    • Nathan says:

      06:25am | 10/02/12

      I remember the crossings in Naples, one of my first stops in Europe and didn’t know that they didn’t stop. Learnt that lesson pretty quick

    • Emma says:

      07:04am | 10/02/12

      Its pretty easy. As pedestrian crossing a street it is vital to walk at the one pace. Cars will shoot past you everywhere but that is ok. You only die if you get scared and start to run or stop or turn back.

    • Kurama says:

      07:54am | 10/02/12

      I remember the backstreets of Naples, Two children begging in rags.

    • iansand says:

      06:35am | 10/02/12

      I think the most courteous drivers are North Americans.  Indicate to change lanes and a gap actually opens up, not closes.  In the ‘burbs, if a pedestrian is standing at the curb to cross (not at a crossing) cars stop.  There is the underlying fear that if you annoy someone you might get shot, but provided you obey the rules you are pretty safe.

      I also have a theory about Chinese drivers (I would not drive myself in China).  They drive as though they are riding bicycles.

    • Iansright says:

      08:00am | 10/02/12

      +1 Ian.
      I always thought that if US citizens gave up their iron fisted grip on their FREEDOM to drive home from the bar and their FREEDOM not to wear a seatbelt and their FREEDOM to be surprised how fast a chevrolet truck can go, they’d have a road toll of nil.
      Oh and if someone ever makes an American car with suspension and brakes that work, that’d help…
      But as drivers, their bad rep from movies is thoroughly undeserved. Very courteous and generous road users.

    • Jessica says:

      09:01am | 10/02/12

      North Americans also use their horns… to indicate when someone is doing something dangerous or incorrect.

      There seems to be such a fear of honking and offending someone in Australia. But how do people learn otherwise?

      I used my horn about once a week when I lived in Canada. And it didn’t have the same connotations as it does here. Simply meant “look, you did something stupid, just don’t do it again”... not “F*** you, mate!”

      And yes, they are certainly more courteous when changing lanes, merging, and understand that the “fast” lane is generally for people who don’t want to drive 20k under the speed limit.

    • TrueOz says:

      06:57pm | 11/02/12

      @iansand
      I thought that Chinese drivers were pretty bad when I lived there - right until I lived in the Philippines and drove there. I think it requires at least a mild form of mental retardation to even get a drivers license in the Philippines, and certificated mental retardation to become a tyke or Jeepney driver. I’m currently in Australia (normally live in Asia) and had forgotten the courtesy, common sense and safety of Australian drivers. i think that British, American and Kiwi drivers are all pretty good too, having driven in all of those places as well. Anarchy is great - but not n the roads. grin

    • gobsmack says:

      06:53am | 10/02/12

      Aren’t we told by Cadel Evans and others that in countries like Italy, motorists have much more respect for cyclists?
      How does that reconcile with the author’s statement that in European countries it’s “survival of the fittest, and often the fastest”?

    • Emma says:

      07:01am | 10/02/12

      In Europe speed limits are a well meant suggestion for you to consider.

    • Ham says:

      07:20am | 10/02/12

      According to my quick goolge searches, Australia had 1,292 road deaths last year. Italy had 3,998 road deaths in 2010. Given that their population is over 3 times the size of ours and they have snow during the winter in the north, I’d say this is comparable.

    • La Dolce Vita says:

      07:30am | 10/02/12

      And yet they still manage to stay right on the Autostrada’s - just like we do here, or left, or middle - only we are supposed to stay LEFT unless directly overtaking.

      I was disappointed last (euro) summer not to see much of the Italian straddle though. In years past I loved this concept on the two lane autostradas. You would be doing a pretty standard 130 - 150 km/h on a two lane each eay autostrada down the middle line so when you came upon a 90-100 km/h truck you only had to move left half a lane, and equally when a Fezza or Lamborghini came up behind at 200km/h you could easily move right half a lane.

      Trick was Italians, among the rest of the Western Europeans have this awesome new things in cars that look like little pieces of glass where you can see behind you. I they they call them mirrors or something? What? we have them here? Surely you jest! When you see someone coming up behind you in Italy, France or Spain they move out of the way. Everytime. Without fail. Given this is an absolute assumption on the part of the following driver it is imperitive on the leading driver to comply absolutely. Sadly those that are now cruising that great autostrada in the sky.

      While in the big cities I agree it is pretty crazy in Italy, even there I found it an ordered chaos, coupled with the fact that Italians can actually drive. Their motorcraft is actually really much better than ours meaning they are more flamboyant in their driving. While their cities can be hard to take if you are not used to it, ‘driving’ effort is remarkably consistently rubbish here.

      I came upon a major intersection, remarkably in the suburbs of Naples, completely uncontrolled. No lights, no signs, no road markings. Everyone just gave way to anyone who had arrived at the intersection before and took their turn. Hell we can’t even manage that with our suburban roundabouts.

      But in the small towns and out on the main roads and Autostradas Italy is a driving Nirvana compared with absolute BS effort everywhere.

      Italy any day.

    • Tezza says:

      11:32am | 10/02/12

      Totally agree with La Dolce Vita.
      Just spent a week driving in Italy (including Naples), and another week driving in Turkey (very similar to driving in Italy).
      Loved it both places. The traffic volumes in Italian cities are so much heavier (and streets so much narrower) that if Italian drivers drove like Sydney drivers the traffic would simply not move. Italian drivers do what they have to do to get through the traffic. See a gap, drive into it. If there is another vehicle already there just avoid him. If the road is wide enough for three lanes, but is marked with only two lanes, just make an extra lane. Don’t get upset with other drivers for doing the same as you are doing. The traffic moves, and everyone is happy.
      The most irritating thing since my return is to see on an Expressway the drivers who drive in the “fast” lane at less than the already stupidly low speed limit, eyes fixated to the front and no attention paid to their rear vision mirror.
      If I were Fatty O’Barrel I would order an increase in motorway speed limits by 30 kph (145kph is a perfectly safe speed for driving on a good motorway).
      And at the same time I would direct the police to start booking people who drive in the fast lane when not overtaking (keep slow moving traffic out of the fast lanes and the road will be safer).

    • morrgo says:

      10:33am | 13/02/12

      Second both.  I also drove in Palermo, Catania and many places in between, and soon found it logical and not very stressful. 

      Hitting the horn makes sense too.  Buses do it to let car drivers approaching a roundabout fast know that the bus is not going to slow down to let them in.  People driving in car-wide lanes in old cities do it to make sure the car whose nose appeared in the side street does not progress further (that driver cannot see anything until halfway into the intersection).

      Ditto for previous remarks about the way pedestrians can cross safely.  There is no need for painted crossings, as the traffic parts anywhere, but the autostrade, when a pedestrian purposefully crosses.  Keep your cool, be very obvious and predictable in your behaviour, and keenly observe the others - both as pedestrian and driver. 

      In Italy you cannot sleepwalk/drive.  Now, THAT is dangerous.

    • Simon says:

      07:41am | 10/02/12

      I wouldn’t drive in China either, but I do like that they rarely show road rage.  They expect others to drive stupidly.  That’s even what they use their horns for.  Where we use a horn to rant about something stupid that someone else has done, a Chinese driver will politely toot to indicate to others that he’s about to do something stupid.  You can hardly complain after that.

    • TChong says:

      07:42am | 10/02/12

      You dont need to go O/S.
      AS some one who rode motor bikes for many years, I can tell you that Sydney has some problems.
      1) always avoid taxis with the “vacant light ” on. Many will suddenly veer across lanes, if a fare is spotted
      2) buses ( state and private) many seem to think that the “give way to busses” sticker entitles them to pull out into traffic, regardless of the traffic flow.
      Despite what many think, truck drivers are often the best to ride near - they are usually professional enough not to do anything too erratic, just stay clear of blind spots.

    • Marc says:

      09:01am | 10/02/12

      Hi Chong, I still ride a motorbike and before my recent move to Brisbane, I commuted from the central coast to sydney every day via motorbike, and I agree with you completely. For the most part, truckies are the most responsible road users on the road. The taxi’s are the spastic assasins of the Sydney road network. Keep an eye on them, otherwise they’ll drive into you without warning.

      Btw, that sticker on buses does entitle them to pull out, you must give way to buses.

      IMO, the standard of driving in Australia is extremely poor, but we don’t notice it because of our walking pace speed limits.

    • Christopher P. says:

      09:25am | 10/02/12

      Think taxis are bad?  What about the ‘white vans’ beloved by tradies? These just amble along, mainly because the contents inside are completely unsecured and will spill everywhere if a sudden stop is required. Or maybe they are so clapped out they can’t go too fast. Either way they are the Number 1 menace on the roads in my opinion!

    • Space Ghost says:

      10:10am | 10/02/12

      The number of times I’ve seen a vacant taxi travelling in the right lane on a busy two or three lane road when I’ve been waiting for a cab is ridiculous. I actually put my hand down now because they are insane and I’ve seen so many near misses.

      3) Anyone in a ute on any of the major arterial roads in Sydney will almost certainly be an overly aggressive retard who thinks that not only do they own the road but that they don’t need to follow rules like speed limits, giving way, using indicators etc. The best advice I can give anyone coming to Sydney is if you see a ute on the road hang back because sooner or later he’s bound to do something stupidly dangerous.

    • Danny B says:

      10:57am | 10/02/12

      Marc

      How do you ‘give way’ when you’re halfway along the side of a bus, they throw on the indicator and immediately move out without looking?  It’s either veer into oncoming traffic or be slammed.

      I know we need to give way, but they need to signal their intentions first.  You know, so people can actually give way.

    • Marc says:

      12:23pm | 10/02/12

      Simple danny B, treat every bus the same as you treat every other car, as a life threatening risk that is prone to pull out in front of you without warning or regard for your safety. Buffer to the right hand side of your lane to give room in case the bus does pull out and gas the throttle hard if he does so that you’re clear, as you certainly won’t be able to brake without getting squished.

      That’s how a safe motorcyclist thinks. I commuted in and around sydney for 5 years on motorcycles, and I was never involved in an accident.

    • TH says:

      02:24pm | 10/02/12

      Yeah truck drivers are great, just wish they wouldn’t try to overtake 3 abreast on the F3 going up a hill and slow the rest of us down to 40, really they know they’re not going to be able to stay at 110 why try on a hill?

    • Tubesteak says:

      07:57am | 10/02/12

      Sounds like fun, actually.

      This morning I saw the typical cyclist riding south on George St just north of Martin Place doing about 20km/h. From behind him darts one of those giant Cadillac Escalades. I’m thinking that idiot on the bike who thinks he’s entitled to hold everyone up doesn’t know how lucky he is because that Caddy could have gone straight over the top of him and should have.

      That would be the type of car I’d drive in one of those countries and just have a weekly appointment with a panelbeater. Get out of my way or die.

    • Boganavich says:

      09:04am | 10/02/12

      noice

    • TH says:

      02:26pm | 10/02/12

      oh I hate cyclists that think they don’t have to obey the road rules and they come right up in front of you at red lights and get in the way. or they think that all cars should automatically know what they’re thinking

    • marley says:

      03:55pm | 10/02/12

      Actually, you wouldn’t drive that kind of car - because you couldn’t get it through most of the streets.  Way too big.  And you’d never find anywhere to park it.  Again, way too big.  So you’d drive a smaller car and be a helluva lot more aware than your average Aussie driver is of cyclists, motor scooters and motor bikes. Oh, and you’d generally find that the cyclists, scooters and motor bikes were passing you, and not the other way around.

    • Aitch B says:

      08:05am | 10/02/12

      I’ve driven in Rome, Florence, Lucca and Milan. In all of those places it was white knuckle stuff… truly quite scary.

      Nathan is correct. Just because there’s a pedestrian crossing there doesn’t mean you can cross. You have to wait for a benevolent driver who is prepared to hold up traffic for you or you wait for a gap and go for it! I found the worst offenders in that regard were people riding motor scooters. Hell…. they would take to the footpath to dodge traffic!

    • Castro says:

      08:09am | 10/02/12

      I agree with the article, but only up to a point.

      I was completely stressed out when I began driving in Spain.  Because I was unused to driving on the other side of the road and was in an unfamiliar country, I was trying to be ultra conservative and especially considerate.

      I realised after a while that my attempts to drive slowly, indicate my intentions carefully, allowing other drivers into lanes ahead of me etc were only confusing the locals.  After an extremely stressful two hours circling a block without being able to get into the required shop I snapped and started behaving like a rude and ignorant pig like the locals.  After this, things improved and I didn’t have many more problems. 

      When I came home though, it took another adjustment to get back into usual habits.  I recall swinging across double yellows and into a park on the opposite kerbside and people stopped walking and looked at me like I was an alien landing a spaceship; when to do so in Europe would have been considered completely normal.

    • Shane says:

      08:28am | 10/02/12

      there’s nothing scary about driving in italy, the traffic rarely moves fast enough for someone in the car to be injured and the trick is just getting the right insurance so you won’t be out of pocket.

      then you just drive like them and if you clip a few things, so be it.

    • Chop Suey says:

      08:30am | 10/02/12

      Try driving or being a pedestrian in Shanghai - the rule is to walk in a straight line carrying a red flag and the drivers do their best to miss hitting you.  It seems to work.

    • redvixen says:

      08:35am | 10/02/12

      This story brought back some great (scary) memories.  We spent 4 weeks in Italy in 2004.  We picked up our car at Trevizo airport and drove to Venice.  The road would be a country road in Australia - one narrow lane in each direction.  However, there were about 3-4 lanes (depending on what drivers wanted to do) of *actual* traffic in each direction.  We were terrified.

      And the windy road to Amalfi.  Two narrow lanes on the edge of a cliff, where the bends are only just wide enough for the local buses to get around if they take up both lanes.  Sure they give you warning they’re coming by honking their horns, but if you’re not local you don’t know what it means until you meet one head-on and have to reverse to get out of their way.

      Next trip to Italy we’re going to take out the most insurance possible on the rental and then drive like the Italians.  Can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em.

    • La Dolce Vita says:

      08:41am | 10/02/12

      Non story. Poorly researched and sensationalist. Road toll per capita in Italy is about the same as Australia.
      What this article does is prove that our police state fixation with speed cameras and mobile radar is just revenue raising. in fact the road toll would be lower if people weren’t constantly distracted by ever-changing speed limits.
      I might move to Italy. Oh wait - there are no jobs and the women are hairier than me (or is that Bulgaria?).
      And in the USA - everyone does the appropriate speed according to the freeway conditions, regardless of the signed limit.
      Cue - trolls who say if you don’t want a ticket don’t speed. Bet they were bashed at school too for being dobbers.

    • Bertrand says:

      09:52am | 10/02/12

      Bullcrap - Australia’s road fatality rates have been steadily decreasing since we have had better enforced road rules. To be sure road rules being enforced isn’t the only thing making our roads safer - better roads and cars with more safety features play a massive part.

      But don’t try to pretend that the fact we are having few fatalities now than we were 40 years ago, despite a massively increased population, doesn’t have anything to do with having enforced road rules.

    • iansand says:

      09:55am | 10/02/12

      I have just driven 1,500 miles in the US.  One thing I noticed was that, compared to other trips, this time they seemed to be staying at or near the speed limit.  I have no theory about why.

    • Marc says:

      01:26pm | 10/02/12

      Not bullcrap betrand, truth.

      Here’s something to ponder, if we have safer roads and safer cars than we did 20, 30, or 40 years ago, why haven’t the speed limits gone up?

    • Bertrand says:

      04:31pm | 10/02/12

      Yes bullcrap - if you are going to suggest that driving at a speed limit is so distracting that you are more likely to be in a car accident due to not being able to pay attention to the road, you shouldn’t be driving.

      Likewise, if you are going to suggest that the enforcement of road rules hasn’t contributed to the decreased road toll, you are probably a bit simple. To be sure, the government enjoys the revenue coming in from speed camera, but the receipt of a speeding fine is purely optional. Don’t want to cop a few hundred dollar fine? Don’t speed. This isn’t a trolling attempt, it’s a simply observation. Speed fines can be seen as an idiot tax.

      As for your question re. speed limits. You’re right, some speed limits are too low. However, one of the main arguments in favour of speed limits is that traffic that is travelling at the same speed is safer traffic to be in. Accidents are more likely to occur when different vehicles on the same road are travelling at different speeds. If you decide unilaterally that you disagree with a speed limit and decide to drive at the speed you choose, you are creating a dangerous situation. So, instead of putting the lives of others at risk because you disagree with the law, try to do something proactive about getting the speed limit changed.

      I read in the paper a few weeks back that large scale public opposition to a speed limit on some road in Canberra has forced the government to review its speed (I’m not sure if has been changed, but it does show that proper dialogue with government can get things done.) Simply deciding you will set your own speed limits isn’t going to change anything. If you feel it is worth $300 to get home to your couch 3 minutes earlier, that’s your choice.

    • marley says:

      06:05am | 11/02/12

      @La Dolce Vita - If you don’t think the Italians have speed cameras and mobile radar you are mistaken.  And I have the fine to prove it.

    • The real LDV says:

      11:38am | 13/02/12

      Hey I called LDV first at 08.30 above!

    • Cranky ol' Bugga says:

      08:59am | 10/02/12

      Australian drivers are, let’s face it, not very good.
      However, in Sydney at least, a lot of the truly bad are not from here, and seem all at sea as to basic road rules, let alone road ettiquete.
      Oh, and it’s really about time everyone brushed up on roundabout rules! Most drivers haven’t got a clue…. do you??

    • SteveKAG says:

      09:08am | 10/02/12

      I lived in India for just over a year in 08/09, I would have swapped Italy for India in terms of traffic any day.

    • stevem says:

      09:31am | 10/02/12

      You forgot the convention of parking in neutral without the handbrake on. The idea is that if there isn’t enough space you can bump the car in front and make a bigger space. It ends up with a row of cars all touching and being shunted backwards and forwards as people come and go!

    • Bill says:

      10:32am | 10/02/12

      The single worst driver in Australia is the young male who drives a ute with p plates. In 30 years of driving, my experience is that this combination of car and driver will ALWAYS be the one speeding, tailgating, running red lights, parking illegally - you name it.

      I’ve always thought that the P on the p plate stood for pr1ck.

    • Marc says:

      01:33pm | 10/02/12

      What’s wrong with speeding?

    • TH says:

      02:39pm | 10/02/12

      @Bill, that’s funny coz my experience is middle aged men speed past me and are the ones that flash their lights at me for doing the speed limit, now don’t get me wrong P platers also irritate me on the road but my biggest pet peeve is people not waving thank you when I let them in front of me, it’s up to my discretion if I let people in and when I do I would like to receive some acknowledgement of that

    • Zopo says:

      11:34am | 10/02/12

      Australian’s are just aggressive drivers thats all.

      I drive the M2 everyday to work and home, and man I really worried sometimes.
      Tailgating, cars swerving in front just to get that one car ahead, drivers not respecting the right lane. And if you take off at the lights 0.5 seconds to slow you can expect a beep and a “FU”. We all just need to chill out a bit and relax.

      Although it can be frustrating when cars hit the brakes when they are approaching “green lights”, I dont know why they do it, it’s almost like they are slowing down in case it turns red. Frustrating I tell you.

      At least in Italy they don’t care if you get overtaken or parking your car they usually wait and wave, and drivers stick in the slow lane (although it is usually empty).

    • TH says:

      02:42pm | 10/02/12

      I don’t know why people insist on slowing down to 20 to go on a slight curve when there is no traffic in front of them, oh and the ones that tailgate you and flash their lights then zip out to the side shaking fists at you and shouting then pull right in front and slam on their brakes. is it necessary?

    • Bungalow says:

      11:44am | 10/02/12

      I agree with Steve Kag. Try driving in India. Actually don’t. Just get in the cab and shut your eyes. You’ll be OK.

    • Don't Tailgate Me.... says:

      11:46am | 10/02/12

      Yeah know what you mean – they are all mad in Italy – spent about 2 months driving there almost every day over 2 separate visits (changing gears in a manual with the right hand takes a while to get used too….). Trouble was when came back to Oz I found I was driving like an Italian and had to fight the urge to drive on the wrong side of the road for about 2 weeks.

      These days I have 2 x HD Car Videos cameras (front and back) in my car as over idiots on the road especially tailgaters – once they realise they are being videoed they back right off.

    • Carl Palmer says:

      12:14pm | 10/02/12

      I’ve driven extensively in Italy (Rome to pretty much all of Nth Eastern Italy) & from Sth France to Nth France and back again. I have no problem with the Italians at all. As has already been observed here, the Italians are on balance better drivers than we are, and, are much better at managing the traffic chaos than we will ever hope to be. They sure do travel fast and unlike us here in Ausssie land who drive right up to the backside of a car and start blowing their horns, the Italians zoom up to your backside and politely flash their lights. You move across and yes they zoom off – very fast especially those red cars that a really low to the ground.

      I sort of listened to the advice of a friend of mine who told me to keep out of any major city. I did 98% of the time however I made 2 mistakes – drove in Rome (& during an airline strike with marching protesters all over the place!!!) and I found myself on the arch de triumph roundabout. I survived both but I wouldn’t recommend the experience to anyone.

      And as for pedestrian crossings in Rome. Firstly, you are told not to stop.  Follow that rule and you easily survive. On one occasion I ventured out. Whilst crossing I was watching the oncoming traffic and you could see the drivers / Vespas / push bikes / truck drivers working out where you were going to be as he / she approached the crossing. Sure they would pass you with a couple of feet to spare either side of where you were but you were fine - provided you did NOT stop.

    • Marc says:

      01:31pm | 10/02/12

      The arch de triumph is in Paris, not Rome…

    • marley says:

      01:48pm | 10/02/12

      I think he means Piazza Venezia.

    • iansand says:

      01:59pm | 10/02/12

      Marc - Once you get stuck on those Autostrada it can be hard to get off….

    • Carl Palmer says:

      09:38am | 13/02/12

      Thanks for the tip Marc. Marley, again you are wrong, the Arco di Trionfo is in Florence.
      Ahhh iansand, looks like you speak from extensive experince. Tip – turn left stay right,  turn right stay right, that should get you off and into the Autogrill.

    • DOB says:

      12:40pm | 10/02/12

      In China I once found myslef in a taxi 3 abreast on a single lane, at high speed, way over the speed limit, going down a freeway off ramp from a major freeway. No seatbelts. And the third car on the right of the 3 abreast was a cop car.

      An aussie I met in Shanghai told me that in 6 months he’d personally seen 4 fatal accidents on the highway to Pudong airport.

      Having said that I still love driving in China, especially with no seatbelts. Every trip Ive done Ive nearly been killed (multiple times)  but the police dont worry about road rules and the feeling of freedom is great. You just have to make sure you dont upset anyone in the special licence plate vehicles, especially in Beijing.

    • DOB says:

      12:43pm | 10/02/12

      ps Aussie drivers still suck - at least overseas drivers are largely on the ball. Aussie drivers in some parts of the country cant even manage simple things like merging cleanly or working out that a roundabout does not have a stop sign Overseas all of that is an art form. If youre terrified of it its probably because youve been driving in a complacency bubble for most of your driving life.

    • Kassandra says:

      02:20pm | 10/02/12

      I like driving in Italy, it’s probably my favourite place to drive in Europe. The Italians are more flamboyant than the average Aussie and this is reflected in their driving. They do drive fast but I agree with others who say they also have better skills on average so no big deal and on autostradas they don’t go in the fast lane unless they are going fast which is something we could learn from. They absolutely watch out for cyclists though unlike here. The scooter riders are borderline certifiable. On the other hand Spain is bad for driving in my opinion and Portugal is the worst (in Europe).

    • stephen says:

      02:53pm | 10/02/12

      Portugal is actually, by stats, the most dangerous place in the world to drive.
      Haven’t been there, (but just as an aside) they may have been in this country well before the Dutch.

    • Dan says:

      02:53pm | 10/02/12

      The first time I drove in Paris I was extremely nervous (and I’m not a nervous driver). Then the penny (or centime) dropped. You drive like they do. I’m a regular visitor to Paris now and look forward to negotiating the Arc de Triomph roundabout. By the way, if you want to see motorists ignoring lane markings, go to Cairo - eight abreast on a four lane road. Again, it took a while to work out what was going on. It appeared to be absolute chaos accompanied by incessant horn blowing. However, there’s a system. The car with its nose in front has right of way and is sounding its horn to let the others know it’s there. There are very few serious traffic accidents in Cairo (out on the highways it’s a different story). So the lesson for driving in unfamiliar places is watch what the locals do and do the same - even if it appears to be insane.

    • LaDiva says:

      06:20pm | 10/02/12

      I always wait at pedestrian crossings until a break in the traffic or for vehicles to stop before crossing, especially when with my daughter in her stroller. Most of the time cars, trucks, even buses stop for us, and I always smile and wave in acknowledgement. Today I was about to enter a crossing with my daughter when a ute driver came tearing down the road, saw us at the side of the crossing and sped up. Then when I was halfway across the road a young Asian girl on her P plates whizzed straight through the crossing going the other way, almost bowling us over! And she had the hide to wave at me as she sped past!

      I figured both of these drivers must have read The Punch this morning!

    • StevenJ says:

      10:17pm | 10/02/12

      full of sensor of humor, like it.

    • Paul says:

      10:29pm | 10/02/12

      I don’t agree at all. I have spent years driving in France, Italy, Germany and Australia - and I have found Australian drivers the most inconsiderate and downright rude than motorists in these other countries. And, yes, I have driven in Palermo - not very difficult actually. I think Italian drivers are streets ahead of their Sydney cousins, both in skill and in courtesy.

      The worst drivers of all - Canberra.

    • Cynicised says:

      12:28am | 11/02/12

      I’ve never driven in Italy, but have travelled extensively thoughout the country and I have to say I tend to agree that most Italian drivers seem to know what they’re doing and somehow manage to drive at speed, regardless of the conditions. As for the tourist bus drivers, how they throw those long vehicles around narrow bendy roads half the width of the average Aussie road amazes me! Let alone park the things!  I do have to say though that my scariest passenger experience was in a taxi in Rome. Mamma mia! White knuckle, sweaty fear is the only thing I recall of that journey!

      As for Paris, I quickly learned the rules as pedestrian on a crossing. You step off the curb and walk at a steady pace whilst the cars whizz by. Apparently, the law says they must miss you by 3 feet - and they do! Aussie drivers would never be able to cope with such a crazy rule, they just aren’t good enough, I’m afraid.

    • MattW says:

      05:08pm | 12/02/12

      Haven’t driven in Rome but crossing the road is pretty straight forward… show no fear, check that you aren’t about to step right infront of a vehicle, then walk at a steady pace the whole way across… they well speed up to go infront of you or slow down to go behind. To get comfortable, cross with locals for the first day smile

      I have driven in Bucharest, out to castle ruins in the countryside then back to the hostel in Bucharest. Driving on the other side of the road in a manual is the easy part to get used to - fitting inbetween a beaten up 30 yr old Dacia with 6 people on one side and a new Lambo on the other where there isn’t room for 2 lane wasn’t much fun, nor the horse-and-carts everywhere, not following any road rules, driving down the footpath, etc.

      My favourite traffic experience was last year in Burma riding around on a scooter. Lots of traffic but no jams, everyone wiggles around and fits through any gaps, no road rage at all, didn’t see any accidents… everyone expects everyone else to make a random and crazy manoeuvre at any moment and they are ready for it - no one is talking on the phone. It wouldn’t work with lots of cars (see the traffic jams Vientiane in Laos has now that everyone has them) but with lots of bikes & scooters its great.

 

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