Enough. Unpopular though it may be, it is a time to take a stand.

Rich and stupid. Photo: AFP.

We have to stop celebrating morons and their attendant antics. We have to stop defending idiots and their self-imposed tragedies.

Whether it be a middle-aged former cricketer with a penchant for romancing equally vacuous bimbos or drug-addled footballers with a natural gift for screwing up every fifth chance offered to them - it’s about time we drew a line in the sand and said “sod off!”.

In the good old days we kept stupid people on a very short leash. They had limited opportunity to express their opinions, their social options were limited to the nearest pub and we created talkback radio to keep track of what they were thinking so it could be nipped in the bud before it became dangerous. 

Somehow they have managed to escape these sensible precautions and now they are everywhere – some with unbridled power and influence. 

All of a sudden their opinions are reported seriously by mainstream media, they dominate the social scene altogether and instead of ringing in to talk-back radio they appear to be hosting it.

If you live in New South Wales they form an entire government.  If you live anywhere else they seem to formulate most of the government policy.  In business they not only managed to almost bring down the entire world economy but somehow also got the job of fixing what they had broken. 

Day by day their influence seems to grow and the non-stupid sit idly by waiting for everyone to wake up but people are not waking up… they are falling into the same stupor.

The growing influence of the stupid appears to be making stupid people “trendy” or, God forbid, even desirable.  We underestimate that influence at our peril.

You see, we tend to identify the stupid as individuals - like that Corey kid who had the mega-party at his parents house or Sam Gilbert who thought photographing nude footballers made perfect sense - but they are probably best viewed as a group.  As a group they are much more frightening. 

As a group they are far more powerful than major organisations such as the Mafia or the much-vaunted industrial complex and without regulations, leaders or manifesto they nonetheless manage to operate to great effect and with incredible coordination.

However, when identified as a group they are also easier to understand and to stop.  The Fundamental Laws of Human Stupidity is a famous essay by the economic historian Carlo Maria Cipolla that explores the controversial subject of stupidity in some depth. 

These are Cipolla’s the laws of stupidity:

1. Always and inevitably each of us underestimates the number of stupid individuals in circulation.

2. The probability that a given person is stupid is independent of any other characteristic possessed by that person.

3. A person is stupid if they cause damage to another person or group of people without experiencing personal gain, or even worse causing damage to themselves in the process.

4. Non-stupid people always underestimate the harmful potential of stupid people; they constantly forget that at any time anywhere, and in any circumstance, dealing with or associating themselves with stupid individuals invariably constitutes a costly error.

5. A stupid person is the most dangerous type of person there is.

So - you begin to understand how serious the situation is.  Don’t be fooled by the protestations of stupid individuals that they are harmless. 

Paris Hilton, for example, likes to insist her stupidity is nothing more than a harmless act – cleverly calculated to increase her media profile and celebrity mystique.  This is simply not true.  It is incredibly difficult to pretend to be stupid. 

Anyone who had the misfortune to meet Paris on Bondi Beach when she last visited Australia would have had difficulty working out where the sound of the ocean was coming from.  You can’t fake that.  Paris is genuinely stupid and that makes her genuinely dangerous. 

She is dangerous because we allow her to be seen as successful first and stupid second and therefore worthy of emulation by the young and the impressionable.  It is in fact this identity model of motivation that creates most of the problems.

Take the latest example of local stupidity in Ricky Nixon.  He decides that having some sort of ‘inappropriate’ relationship with a teenage girl (also coincidentally stupid – see how they congregate?) with a known and ongoing history of emotional and sexual immaturity is a good idea. 

Non-stupid people are aghast.  Did he not think of the consequences we all ask?  Did he not weigh up the pros and cons of this and see that this could only be damaging in terms of his self-interest? 

The answer is he probably did but self-interest was most likely not the motivational model he was considering.  He was probably basing his decision-making on an identity model of motivation and that works like this:

What kind of person am I?  What does that sort of person do in a situation like this?  Therefore, what should I do if I want to be seen as that kind of person?

The potential result in Ricky’s head might have been this:

I am a successful sports agent.  Successful sports agents are influential and desirable individuals who lead extraordinary lives of money, power and gratuitous sex.  I should have a crack.

And if, indeed, that was the way Ricky was thinking then the problem from society’s point of view is how we have contributed to Ricky’s definition of a ‘successful sports agent’.  Ricky gets that definition from the rest of us. 

We paint a picture of what a ‘successful sports agent’ or anything else looks like.  We create that identity by what we talk about and look up to as well as by what we don’t talk about and silently condemn. 

Then, by celebrating stupid exploits and even defending them as somehow outside the control of the individuals involved we reinforce that identity model. 

That is why Paris is a role model, Corey is a larrikin and Gilbert is a victim.  That is why Warney is a legend, Cousins tale was a tragedy and Bush was President.  Still think it’s harmless?

Stupidity can easily be proved the supreme Social Evil. To quote Walter B Pitkin who wrote A Short Introduction to the History of Stupidity in 1932, three factors combine to establish it as such. 

First and foremost, the number of stupid people is legion.  Secondly, most of the power in business, finance, diplomacy and politics is in the hands of more or less stupid individuals.  Finally, high abilities are often linked with serious stupidity.

These are the same people who then become role models. But they are only role models because we allow them to be.  Here is an opportunity to stop the rot. 

Wherever there is a vacuum the vacuous will fill it - so let’s start clearly identifying our role models rather than leaving it to chance.  Let’s make the title of ‘role model’ one that is bestowed on worthy individuals rather than simply assumed by anyone and everyone. 

Finally let’s start making the stupid undesirable by labeling the stupid for who they really are - no more excuses, no more redeeming qualities… just plain stupid.

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    • S.L says:

      06:04am | 02/03/11

      I agree with your comment on talkback radio Brett. I drive for work so I listen to the radio many hours daily. As I’m sick of listening to the limited playlists of music stations I switch on (in Sydney) Al, Ray, Jason etc for a laugh. I can’t believe the stupid questions people ring up radio stations to ask? It’s usually to do with the subject the host is raving on about that day so it makes me wonder how many “stooge” callers are on their payroll?
      I’m surprised Todd Carney didn’t get a mention here. A first class moron who will be praised from the roof tops as soon as he gets back on the field.
      Paris, Lindsay, Charlie etc sell papers and mags by having their mugs on the cover so who are the stupid ones?
      I know someone (lucky so and so!) who has met Pamela Anderson. He said out of the spotlight she is lovely and very self depricating. I suppose you can’t always pick people by their public persona!

    • Janey says:

      08:59am | 02/03/11

      Yes, SL, most of the “callers” on commercial radio are people in the industry (usually other announcers) so yes they are indeed on the payroll.  Announcers ring each other all the time asking for an “insurance call”.
      This ensures the hilarity, spontaneity and energy that commercial radio believes it provides to listeners lives on hour after excruciating hour.
      Commercial radio cannot afford the at home listeners, with nothing outrageous to say, umming and ahhing their way through valuable paid airtime. 
      Gotta make a buck after all.

    • Marcus says:

      10:32am | 02/03/11

      Surely you don’t mean Charlie Sheen, he’s bi-winning!

    • Marcus says:

      10:32am | 02/03/11

      Surely you don’t mean Charlie Sheen, he’s bi-winning!

    • LInda says:

      12:35pm | 02/03/11

      Jane you are wrong that callers on commercial radio are on a payroll.  I have worked at the station you are talking about & I definately know that they are genuine listeners.  Any industry people calling the shows are actually listening to the show & call to comment..  Scary as it may be the this type of radio station has maintained for years to be No 1 in the ratings in their industry and it’s because it’s has the most listeners.  You cannot fudge this.

    • S.L says:

      08:18pm | 02/03/11

      LInda I’ve heard accusations to the contrary from announcers from other radio stations. No not the station you’d think it would be but FM music stations!
      So who knows who clicks on that feedback icon?

    • Against the Man says:

      06:05am | 02/03/11

      Dumb people? Gillard announces a carbon tax so soon after hammering us with a flood levy to cover up ALP mis-management or maybe it is just Bob Brown turning the thumb-screws on her because he is the one really in charge and the true PM and Australians are too dumb to realise that. Stupid people are dangerous - ask the families of those who died in the home insulation debacle….............

    • Daryl Saal says:

      08:53am | 02/03/11

      You just proved how dumb some people are. In project management terms the home insulation program was an outstanding success in it’s main aim of kickstarting the economy, and even the inevitable individual failures were well below the normal incidence in a project that large. The end result was many thousands of homes using less energy and our economy being rated the best in the world. Regarding your other statement please advise how the “ALP mis-management” caused record flooding or Yasi?

    • Reg says:

      09:28am | 02/03/11

      I would have thought because it contributed (at least in part) to 4 deaths and a lot of house fires would automatically deem it a failure…

      I guess it depends on what is the price of life for some. How much is yours and your family’s worth Daryl?

      Blind Freddy could see at a hundred paces the scheme would be rorted for all its worth and safety would become an issue.

    • Reg says:

      09:59am | 02/03/11

      Perhaps we should all be a little more modest about our superiority before the word gets out.

      We wouldn’t want to confirm to the world how stupid we Australians really are by exclaiming our superiority in this manner. So far all we see are people condescendingly broadcasting their absolute superiority over those “others”. And some the audacity to describe Yanks as dumb.

    • Tubesteak says:

      10:03am | 02/03/11

      You clearly don’t understand how a representative democracy works.

      Bob Brown is not PM. Labor made a deal with the Greens and Independents to form a government. The Liberals and the National Party have formed a coalition but failed to secure a deal with the Greens and Independents to form government. Really makes you wonder how bad a party is when they can’t get 3 former members of their party on side to form a government.

      I hope to one day take away your right to vote.

    • Reg says:

      10:27am | 02/03/11

      (To that other Reg.) Deaths such as these do not seem to attract the same loud-mouth concern when they happen in the work-place every day. Kids on work-experience slain because of supervisory neglect.

      There are always employers who flout the rules intended to prevent such tragedy, so why should the home insulation scheme be any different? Obviously the goal of your condemnation is purely political and therefore not very smart.

    • PaulM says:

      10:32am | 02/03/11

      “Finally let’s start making the stupid undesirable by labeling the stupid for who they really are - no more excuses, no more redeeming qualities… just plain stupid. “

      Hey Darrrryll, he’s talking about people like you.

      So in the spirit of the article, you call a program that had to be cancelled because of deaths & rorts, that even the government admits will take years to check the houses insulated & rectify & that will cost more to fix than was spent to implement is an oustanding success in project management terms.

      Well your argument is in the same vein of most of what you have ever posted, just plain stupid & an accurate representation of you as a person, just plain stupid.

    • dennis says:

      11:24am | 02/03/11

      PaulM you missed the point of the article. That Darryl has a different opinion on the outcome of a complex political issue doesn’t make him stupid. Just of different opinion. The stupid person would respond to a question on the insulation program by changing the subject and quickly stating how Charlie Sheen should get his job back ‘cause he’s a legend.

    • PaulM says:

      12:06pm | 02/03/11

      denis, you class the failed implementation of the Pink Bats Program, the deaths and the ongoing costs to investigate & rectify the failuers of the program as a comples political issue. Oh dear…..

      Well when we have developed a society that derides achievement, punishes initiative, turns education from pass/fail to competent/not yet competent, that says telling a child they are wrong is abuse & that holds up mediocrity as the standard we should all aspire to, we end up with…...well, attitudes like yours & darrrrryll’s.

      The article is about how we as a society have elevated the dregs & treat it like cream & that it is well past time we stood up & pointed out the stupid wether it be in what they do or what they say.

      Darrrryll’s assertion of a sucessful program was just plain stupid, your assertion that it is a complex political issue is also just plain stupid.

    • Country Realist says:

      12:11pm | 02/03/11

      Dennis, being stupid is a matter of opinion.  In my opinion, having an opinion may make you stupid.  It maybe different or the same as other people but it can still make you stupid in other people’s opinion!

    • dennis says:

      01:06pm | 02/03/11

      Disagree country. Having an opinion based on limited or incorrect facts, life experience and cultural upbringing make make an opinion on one specific issue wrong or flawed but I disagree that it makes someone stupid as a whole. More likely misinformed, maybe judgemental, hypocritical or of less intelligence to comprehend, for example, a complex issue. Following your logic anyone who disagrees with your opinion is stupid. It must be fun having no friends.

    • dennis says:

      02:05pm | 02/03/11

      Wow PaulM. Your hindsight is wonderfully 20:20. You are simply amazing. I guess you also consider the implementation of a carbon price scheme as not a complex political issue? Can you see the future yet on that one? Any deaths from that one, what will be the failures? Guess your memory must be fading but when the pink bats scheme was argued in parliament unfortunately they didn’t have your foresight and saw it is just a little complex. Have you considered a move into politics becasue we need people with your skills to make decisions for us stupid people.

    • Against the Man says:

      03:29pm | 02/03/11

      Fact: People died in home insulation project
      Fact: No one has been held criminally responsible (as far as I know)
      Fact: Gillard isn’t in control, the Greens and Independents are controlling her

      You can deny the facts but the fact are the facts and those of you that disagree are dumb smile

    • dogkness says:

      05:09pm | 02/03/11

      The stupid ones in the insulation rollout were those who thought they cuold cash in on it without doing the work to learn how to do it safely. And in most cases those were the ones who suffered.

      The home-owners that though they didn’t have to verify the credentials of the installers were also the stupid ones, and ...

    • Daryl Saal says:

      05:20pm | 02/03/11

      Well thanks for your judgement of my intelligence. I repeat that the program was successful overall. I’m retired now but among many work tasks I had was as a very senior project manager handling billion $ projects, and when you do a lot a small percentage of problems can still add up to tabloid fodder. The deaths were terrible for the individuals and their families but actually attributable to shonky operators not the program. Having multiple tertiary quals, the respect of many highly qualified colleagues and been a successful organisation leader to hundreds of professionals, I’m comfortable that my IQ is high as tested. To PaulM the program was cancelled because it had achieved its primary aim of lifting the economy, and because the shock jocks whipped the bogan yobbos up to an unwarranted frenzy which destroyed it politically.

    • PaulM says:

      12:46am | 04/03/11

      “I repeat that the program was successful overall. “

      And yet there have been raids on 35 insulation companies & 2000 demands for payment for non-conforming/potentially fraudelent work carried out under what you class as a successful scheme.

      As I said, JUST PLAIN STUPID.

    • acotrel says:

      07:21am | 04/03/11

      Anybody who’s ever had a real job knows that contractors are obliged to conduct Job Safety Analyses under State OHS laws.  Slandering Peter Garrett for polical mileage is getting to be passe!

    • porkchop says:

      03:45pm | 04/03/11

      you guys kill me. half a dozen comments in after a thoughtful article it’s gillard again. Surely there are other places on the internet you can go to satisfy your insatiable desire to reduce every single subject in the world to “it’s gillards fault” (or Tony). It’s ridiculous. And you are boring and predictable. We’ve got it ok? Message recieved. Let’s entertain another subject for a few seconds eh? For heavens sake.

      Article was spot on. Well said.

    • acotrel says:

      06:15am | 02/03/11

      What you’ve got to realise about stupid people who appear in the media, is that other stupid people identify with them.  I suggest the reason Pauline Hanson ever got any votes, is that the limitted amongst us imagined themselves in the same position, and recognised they’d be just as moronic! She struck a chord!

    • malohi says:

      08:30am | 02/03/11

      Please disregards that barb someone gave you yesterday about 24/7 posting. Your comments always seem to give me a pre coffee smile in the morning.
      I for one appreciate you cynical wisdom.

    • Reg says:

      09:28am | 02/03/11

      Bob Brown too I imagine…

    • deb says:

      06:54am | 02/03/11

      Trouble with Ricky ?He was thinking with d%^ky .common enough in the older male.No big deal if he had been the bloke up the road,you know whatisname.
      Stupid?Yeah. But how many men of a certain age have gotten away with it?

    • Rick says:

      08:34am | 02/03/11

      so Deb because you havent got one you dont think at all?

    • Reg says:

      09:30am | 02/03/11

      I think the point she was making is live by the media, die by the media… simple premise that.

    • thatmosis says:

      07:04am | 02/03/11

      We make it a rule not to buy anything advertised by a sportsman, celebrity or pollie. We figure that they are paid to say what they do and I for one do not want to add to their fortunes by actually buying their advertised products. Of course there are those out there who believe that if an overpaid sportsman ,celeb or whatever says its a great product then they must buy it to keep up with the Joneses but then again there has always been a brain dead section of every population.

    • acotrel says:

      08:31am | 02/03/11

      Thatmosis, I’m suffering from extreme cognitive dissonance.  I never listen to bullshit!  I never even hear TV advertisments, they simply don’t compute, whether they involve sports people or take any other form!

    • Reg says:

      09:31am | 02/03/11

      So acotrel… what you are saying is you never listen to what you say… hahaha… kidding!

    • Reg says:

      10:36am | 02/03/11

      “hahaha… kidding!’ That didn’t sound very smart of me did it. Sorry acotrel.

    • shane says:

      07:13am | 02/03/11

      Great article, the best on the punch in awhile I think.

      But, railing against stupidity is like railing against breathing. I think they must serve some evolutionary purpose which hasn’t been discovered yet. Like ear wax.

    • acotrel says:

      08:55am | 02/03/11

      @Shane.  Without stupid people in the world, we’d never be able to feel superior!

    • Kim says:

      08:59am | 02/03/11

      Spot on Shane, the is the best article I’ve seen for a long time.

      We should stop the stupid people breeding - I don’t believe in the evolutionary purpose…...

      I see stupid people.  They’re stupid but they don’t know they’re stupid.  wink

    • Keen Observer says:

      09:45am | 02/03/11

      Well I can solve half your dilemma, ear wax protects the ear canal from foreign objects…..the stupid people may be a tougher one.

    • Tiger says:

      10:32am | 02/03/11

      absolute gold, shane :D

    • whatahooha says:

      04:15pm | 02/03/11

      the stupid ones breed quicker, my mum says.

    • Lee says:

      07:40am | 03/03/11

      Remember 50% of the worlds population is below average intelligence

    • cazmac says:

      09:52am | 09/03/11

      How did this get from discussion about stupid people to a rant about religion from a fanatic?

      Oh…hang on….

    • malohi says:

      07:16am | 02/03/11

      I feel you pain. I hate all this celebrity focus.
      Jessica Watson the “hero” I think was the story/bombardment that pushed me over the edge.

      Perhaps if the media reported actual news in order of social importance there may be some perspective, however with Charlie Sheen being on the front page as opposed to say, protestor massacres in Libya, the future is bleak.

    • Adam Diver says:

      08:14am | 02/03/11

      There are massacres in Libya? Must be the zionist and the americans staging false protest obviously.

      Actually if you look at Libya in depth you will notice that ...um….that Natalie Portman looked stunning at the oscars and that ...um… Princess mary didn’t get invited the royal wedding.

      What were we talking about?

    • Kirsty says:

      07:17am | 02/03/11

      It is time we figured out our priorities as a society.  Stupid people are on their way to having far too much influence in areas they shouldn’t really have a say at all.  It seems that younger kids would now prefer to win a logie/aria/grammy/emmy etc than a Nobel Prize or a Pulitzer and the dreams of living a happy life now seem to just revolve around clothes, money, booze and sexual conquests (I’m not basing this on scientific research just all of the people that went to my school and my conversations with other people my age).  As Pink sang in the son Stupid girls ‘what happened to the dream of a girl president, she’s dancing in a video next to 50 Cent….outcasts and girls with ambition that’s what I want to see’.

    • VVS says:

      09:37am | 02/03/11

      I think the people who have set their goals as winning a logie etc (but not the rare quad, the EGOT - that’s for the talented) are probably not the type of people who have the skill/talent set to win a noble prize or pulitzer.

      Simple thing amuse simple minds.

    • Nigel says:

      07:26am | 02/03/11

      here here. Bring back Darwin and natural selection. Then there may be a chance they die out.

    • Placebo says:

      09:49am | 02/03/11

      @ Nigel: Natural selection seems to have been hacked and is now eliminating ‘intelligent’ people instead off weeding away at the ‘Stupid’ people. smile

    • Zac de Spudnut says:

      09:54am | 02/03/11

      It’s already here….

      “a cynical existentialist, anti-human humanist, anti-social social-Darwinist, realistic idealist and GOD-like ATHEIST. “I am prepared to fight and die for my cause,” he wrote. “I, as a natural selector, will eliminate all who I see unfit, disgraces of human race and failures of natural selection.” Pekka Eric Auvinen - killed 7 students for his Atheistic beliefs.

      http://atheisticviolence.wordpress.com/

    • Grammar/Spelling Nazi says:

      10:24am | 02/03/11

      Hear, hear. That is all.

    • observer says:

      10:40am | 02/03/11

      Im not sure what side you are arguing for Spunut…the website you posted is drivel at best…Are you saying that Pecca is the “result” of Darwinism, or that he is an arbiter of atheism, or are you simply acknowledging that he is one of the more dangerous half wits that litter our world? The rantings quoted hardly support any rational decision on behalf of this nutter which in turns makes one wonder how a specific cause can be attributed when 5 are noted.Just wondering….

    • James1 says:

      12:01pm | 02/03/11

      That’s our Zac.  Always up to misrepresent the views of the mentally ill.

    • Elphaba says:

      12:38pm | 02/03/11

      @Zac, wrong thread, mate.  There’s a God and Scripture thread further down the front page…

    • Miles says:

      12:51pm | 02/03/11

      Placebo, that’s because we are paying the stupid people to breed more stupid people whereas the intelligent people can’t afford it due to paying for all the stupid people via welfare and taxes.

    • MK says:

      01:16pm | 02/03/11

      Have you not seen the film Idiocracy? It’s supposed to be a comedy, but I am beginning to wonder if it isn’t a prophetic masterpiece! wink

    • Zac de Spudnut says:

      03:34pm | 02/03/11

      observer, James1 & Elphaba,

      Thats right Pekka is very much the result of Darwinism/Atheism. Tell me how do you bring back Darwin and natural selection? Check out French Jacobine revolution and the Communist atrocity around the world for answers.  Are you suggesting only the religious are sane when they commit atrocities? If a religious commits crime would you guys claim he was mentally ill? I don’t think so. Atheist Pekka clearly knew what he was doing and in what name. Just a casual look at Atheist news reader Spicer’s blog would tell you there is heaps of Pekka’s on that blog. Take the time and analyse some posts from Atheists and you will get what I mean.

    • Elphaba says:

      05:29pm | 02/03/11

      @Zac, I would have half a chance of understanding you and what you write if anything you posted made any sense whatsoever.

      So, I will continue to get from your posts the only thing you provide.  Hilarity.

    • Zac de Spudnut says:

      08:31pm | 02/03/11

      Elphaba,

      I know It is quite hard to understand when it’s about Atheists blowing up for Atheistic beliefs. How can the so called rational and logical people blow up without the aid of God? Hilton may be stupid, at least she gets paid for it. But many Atheists are extremely intolerant and out right dangerous.

    • Elphaba says:

      08:06am | 03/03/11

      @Zac,

      Why tar all atheists with the same brush?  There are extremes in any demo.  Maybe people would start taking your mor seriously if you didn’t sound like a militant nutter.

      You preach against the supposed intolerance of atheists, but you mate, are the most intolerant person I’ve ever had the displeasure of reading.

      Even Erick is a cakewalk compared to you.

    • Zac de Spudnut says:

      10:19am | 03/03/11

      Elphaba
      @Zac,

      Why tar all atheists with the same brush?>>>>

      You should start preaching this to resident Atheists, start with Tracy Spicer, Tory etc. I am fine with free speech but why lace it with extreme intolerance. Why are Atheists intolerant and hateful? Don’t you think with out God and the reliance on so called science and logic should make Atheists more sane and loving? How mistaken humanity is…...

        There are extremes in any demo.>>>

      But they don’t claim science and logic to cover their tracks or promote extremism wrapped in science.

      You preach against the supposed intolerance of atheists, but you mate, are the most intolerant person I’ve ever had the displeasure of reading.>>>

      But at least I don’t swear at people and end up killing millions to create Atheistic utopia around the world. I would rather be called intolerant for exposing the bloodshed of Atheists through history.

    • James1 says:

      11:11am | 03/03/11

      “There are extremes in any demo.>>>

      But they don’t claim science and logic to cover their tracks or promote extremism wrapped in science.”

      No, just ancient books - far preferable, I suppose.

      I don’t claim that no atheist can be totally insane, like Mr Pekka.  Nor do I claim that only religious people can be insane.  Indeed, some insane people believe there is a global conspiracy involving reptile aliens, others believe they are Jesus, still others believe they are a “natural selector”.  Doesn’t mean the insane religious ones represent the mainstream, or that the insane atheists represent the mainstream.

      You attribute arguments to me (and Elphaba) which I (and I presume Elphaba) do not support, and argue against these imagined positions.  Which in turns lead me to question how solid your own grasp of reality is.

      Now its back to killing people and eating the eyes of puppies to bring about my commu-atheist utopia for me.

    • Elphaba says:

      11:15am | 03/03/11

      @Zac, I repeatedly have said that I think comments from atheists accusing the religious of believing in “sky fairies” is inappropriate, and does nothing to further the debate.  The difference is, I don’t demonise the other side in order to valiate my point. You see, my point is valid without doing that.

      Religious extremists frequently quote that they are doing God’s work when undertaking mass murder.  Extremists will quote whatever they can do further their cause.  Manson thought the Beatles’ White album gave him the messages he needed to conduct his kooky cult.  Just because certain extreme pockets of a larger group do these things doesn’t mean they represent the whole.  I am smart enough to know that 99.9% of religious people get on with their lives, but your posts seem to convey that you think 99.9% of atheists are the enemy to existence - and that’s simply not true.  You previously have shown little understanding as to what atheism actually is!

      As fo whether your intolerance is more acceptable than those that physically attack others for their beliefs - get a grip.  The only difference between your hate mongering and theirs is that you don’t have dynamite strapped to your chest.  Don’t think for a second that demonising people who think differently from you verbally is appropriate, just because you won’t follow through.  You probably wouldn’t even say half this stuff to someone’s face - which just makes you an angry coward.  You are just as bad.  You are just as intolerant.  You are just as disgusting.

    • Zac de Spudnut says:

      01:46pm | 03/03/11

      James1

      No, just ancient books - far preferable, I suppose.>>>>

      Atheist favorites like sky fairies, spaghetti monster or Imam Dawkins favorite - religious are child abusers would calm the raging anger of Atheists I suppose.

      Would you call the mostly intolerant Atheists on Spicers blog insane? Do you think Tracy Spicer - who is a news reader and makes a living (big $$$$$$$) coz the same listeners whom she intolerantly bashes listens to her news - is insane? Like I said I am all for free speech and makes western Christian nations more appealing and free. However what I find in her blog is not genuine debate or discussion, rather pure hatred for Christians. If she exercises the same right (free speech) in an Atheist state like China, Cuba or North Korea, she would end up in a gulag. So thank the Lord and that ancient book for Australia.

      You attribute argument ts to me (and Elphaba) which I (and I presume Elphaba) do not support, and argue against these imagined positions.  Which in turns lead me to question how solid your own grasp of reality is.>>>

      None of my posts are personalised. Most of my comments are well substantiated and backed up.

      Elphaba says:
      @Zac, I repeatedly have said that I think comments from atheists accusing the religious of believing in “sky fairies” is inappropriate, and does nothing to further the debate. >>>

      I haven’t read this before. It is good for a start. But generally I suspect a different reason for change of tact from Atheists. The other day I was reading Sam Harris’ long speech to fellow Atheists in a conference. In a nut shell he was saying how Atheists are losing the battle with Christians (it is worth reading). The main argument he put forward was how Christians have turned the tables and are now calling Atheists mass murders. He was advicing his community, it is better to work with Christians and in no way helpful to hide behind Islamic terrorists to attack Christians. He was informing them there is a world of difference between Islamic terrorists and Christians. Wow!!!!. I came out thinking there is many truths in what he is saying. Because my research tells me the same thing.

      Religious extremists frequently quote that they are doing God’s work when undertaking mass murder>>>

      Like Pekka, Columbine Atheists, Lenin, Mao, Marx and friends claimed they did it for Atheism and Darwin.

      You previously have shown little understanding as to what atheism actually is!>>>

      Yes i.e, to tow your line (opinion) on what Atheism is. Why would I when I have substantiated and backed up my positions.

      The only difference between your hate mongering and theirs is that you don’t have dynamite strapped to your chest.>>>

      You mean I won’t kill 7 school children like Pekka Auvinen did for his Atheistic faith. Don’t you think that is a good thing Elphaba.

      Don’t think for a second that demonising people who think differently from you verbally is appropriate, just because you won’t follow through.>>>

      Let me repeat again this for you. Instead of preaching this to me try preaching to your fellow Atheists. A good start would be The Punch. Hail Darwin even many Atheists now agree fellow Atheists are intolerant.

      You probably wouldn’t even say half this stuff to someone’s face - which just makes you an angry coward.>>>

      Let me explain it to you slowly. Just because I have strong convictions wouldn’t make me angry or a coward. I’ll easily say the same thing in a discussion. I am not your average PC trained.

      You are just as bad.  You are just as intolerant.  You are just as disgusting>>>

      Just a few paragraphs above you wrote Quote “I don’t demonise the other side in order to valiate my point. You see, my point is valid without doing that” Unquote and you expect me to believe you.

    • Elphaba says:

      02:44pm | 03/03/11

      @Zac, get some comprehension skills.  I’m not demonising your faith in God, and I don’t have to demonise you.  You do that all on your own.

      I am caling you out as being an intolerant bigot.  I am calling you out as someone who does nothing to further your point and only manages to invalidate everything you say with your hate mongering.  YOU are a bigot.  It wouldn’t matter what you believed it - it’s all on you, not your faith.

      If you posted sources that were less biased and didn’t have a vested interest in demonising atheism, I would read them fully.  But what you’re posting is the equivalent of hate speech.

      I have given a sound and clear definition of what atheism is, and have pointed out the mistaken way in which you label Communism and Socialism as some kind of atheist regime and dogma - neither of which true atheism has.

      learn some tolerance, start posting some facts, not hate mongering, and then I’ll respect you.  But I don’t abide hypocrites.  You’re a hypocrite.

    • cazmac says:

      10:48am | 09/03/11

      How did this get from discussion about stupid people to a rant about religion from a fanatic?

      Oh…hang on…

    • Tim says:

      07:31am | 02/03/11

      I said this last week:
      Why do people pedestalise others who are so obviously not worthy of being role models?
      Just because someone may be good at their chosen sport or is like Paris Hilton (what does she actually do?) or
      has just managed to sleep with someone famous, doesn’t automatically mean they are, or should be, some parragon of moral virtue.
      They are simply normal people just like the rest of us. They will have problems, they will make mistakes.
      So who do we blame for this?
      Is it the inherently stupid famous people who are just doing what they’re allowed to get away with
      OR
      Is it the members of the public who let them do it?

      Everyone has the right to make their own decisions in life, everyone should be prepared to take responsibility for the consequences of those decisions.

    • Bilby says:

      08:35am | 02/03/11

      I would say that these people are worthy of something, because they’ve achieved something that lot’s of other people have tried and failed at. They’re clearly not normal people, because normal people can’t do what they do, so people look up to them. In my mind the trouble is simply that we credit them with more than they deserve. A great footy player is a great footy player and should be looked up to for that *alone*. It doesn’t make him a great person (clearly); it doesn’t make him someone we should look to for moral guidance (even more clearly). (That was my first correct use of a semicolon in something other than c code. I’m quite pleased with myself wink ).

    • Mark says:

      10:51am | 02/03/11

      Tim

      Personally I trace it to the continual breakdown of the traditional family unit.  An increasing number of children simply aren’t parented properly in a balanced way by an ever-present mother and father.  They form the habit young of getting their guidance from the most readily available source, the mass media.  Not their fault – they’re just kids at the time.

      The mass media are money-making enterprises so will always put the cheapest crap in the paper and on the screen.  The popularity then feeds itself in a viscous cycle and the never-ending race to the bottom.

      The issue is there’s generally no wiser adult in the room whilst the TV is on to say “Christ, Ricky Nixon, what a dickhead”… or “Paris, you airhead”… whether it’s direct criticism or light ridicule, no-one points out to kids the problems with these people.

      Through legislation and social practices, the traditional family and its importance is continually broken down either directly or by collateral damage. 

      The parents are away, the kids will play… and not do much else.

    • Interloper says:

      11:41am | 02/03/11

      Mark, your theory doesn’t hold up. I know plenty of traditional family units made up of stupid parents breeding stupid children.
      I remember several years ago being expected to sympathise with a colleague whose 5yo child’s kindy teacher had told the child that Big Brother was trash she shouldn’t watch. The colleague was upset because the kindy teacher had no right to say that what the family watched together was trash.

    • iansand says:

      07:44am | 02/03/11

      Or substitute “ego” for “stupid” (making appropriate changes for parts of speech, syntax etc).

    • Pete says:

      07:46am | 02/03/11

      Those who think have been concerned about the rise of the idiots for some time. Unfortunately I see no halt in the slide, and in fact it became worse in the last decade or so when the concept of “everybody has the right to their own opinion” came in. I think we’re in serious trouble, and we’ve been on this path for some time. Things are going to get a lot worse before they get better, and until the “stupidity armageddon” occurs, things aren’t going to get any better. Should be funny to watch though.

    • Adam Diver says:

      08:17am | 02/03/11

      In Australia we encourage the stupid to breed, just wait for the next generation

    • Brett says:

      10:01am | 02/03/11

      Stupid people propogate because laws protect them from themselves, and we pay them to breed (as Adam noticed). The stupid used to be weeded out by natural selection, but not laws and litigation pay them for being stupid. Add the media on top of this and we have stupid-geddon.

      People like the guy that sued Winnebago for damages when he put the cruise control on and went to the back to make a coffee (he thought it was auto pilot) and crashed, and he WON, should just be taken out the back and shot, this would cull the stupid. Their offspring should also be culled. They should never be rewarded.

      I once saw an oxy-acetalene bottle with a warning saying “do not use while asleep” and you know someone got a payout for that when they probably lit their shed on fire with it.

      If the laws and judges stopped rewarding stupidity, the media stopped encouraging stupidity and the government stopped paying bogans to breed, the world would slowly become less stupid.

    • notSue says:

      12:17pm | 02/03/11

      Read “The Marching Morons”  (here’s the Wiki ref)
      “The Marching Morons” is a science fiction story written by Cyril M. Kornbluth, originally published in Galaxy in April 1951. It was included in The Science Fiction Hall of Fame, Volume Two after being voted one of the best novellas up to 1965.

      The story is set hundreds of years in the future: the date is 7-B-936. John Barlow, a man from the past put into suspended animation by a freak accident involving a dental drill and anesthesia, is revived in this future. The world seems mad to Barlow until Tinny-Peete explains the Problem of Population: Due to a combination of intelligent people not having children and excessive breeding by less intelligent people, the world is full of morons, with the exception of an elite few who work slavishly to keep order”

      It explains all. *siigh*

    • David says:

      01:39pm | 02/03/11

      Brett, the Winnebago story is just that. A story. It’s a well-known urban legend with no basis in fact. Still, with some of the people getting lots of publicity for their stupidity I don’t blame you for thinking it was real. And if you really want to see some stupid people, just head on over to China and watch some of the drivers here!!

    • Nick says:

      03:00pm | 02/03/11

      Great article!
      Yes the movies Idiocracy and The Marching Morons are two very lighted hearted films that address a very serious social problem. Our society is geared towards rewarding those that achieve the least. Free housing, free public transport, free medical, free handouts, lower taxes, cash for kids and on its goes. This has really been getting my goat for ages (no offence to Goat herders) and it is no wonder that the moron is glamourised. Why dont we look at doing the unthinkable and reward those that contribute the most and incentivise the rest to aim higher? For example;

      1. Finish year 12 - the govt pays for an international air ticket for graduates to see a bit of the world and get a better understanding of the world at large and how we fit into it. Develop an appreciation for other cultures and our own way of life.

      2.Finish year 12 & get an apprenticeship or enter post year 12 education - recieve heavily discounted fee’s and financial incentives. Maybe to reduce the financial strees on students and apprenticehsips they are exempt from paying tax until they complete their vocation?

      3. Enter the workforce and stay gainfully employed for 5 years - recieve a 3-5% reduction in your payroll tax? Additional tax breaks to apply as you continue to work?

      4. Wish to have a family - must be able to demonstrate to some yet to be thought of organisation tha,t a) you are mentally sound of mind to raise a child (IQ test maybe?), and b) that the couple are both financially stable and can afford to raise the child without govt handouts.

      5. If the individual / couple are then employed gainfully, are of sound mind, and do not burden society then they recieve Free Health Care, Free Public Transport, increasing tax breaks as they mature & contribute. Can you imagine this as an alternative to Superannuation and how that would free up %9 of businesses capital to reinvest and what burden that would remove from the govt to fund needed projects?

      This is my idea for a prosperous Australia where morons are simply incentivised out of the equation.When their is some sort of reward to be gained by doing the right thing and rewarding desirable social behaviour I bet you that society as a whole will leap ahead.

      Or at the very they just become smarter morons.

    • John says:

      08:27am | 02/03/11

      This article ignores that most people are stupid and would therefore relate to, and idolize stupid people.

    • Eleanor says:

      08:32am | 02/03/11

      This article has made me seriously consider the merits of eugenics :/

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      08:51am | 02/03/11

      You’ve never considered the merits of eugenics before? I hope you don’t vote.

    • Samson says:

      03:49pm | 02/03/11

      @Eleanor: How miserable, I really hope you don’t mean that.  Sorry for singling you out for my rant but seeing an otherwise rational poster write something so disturbing sort of prompted it.

      Reading conversations like these genuinely makes me feel depressed.  I guess people tend to be a bit crueller when anonymous than they would be otherwise, but it’s still apparent that 99% of the commentators here can see no worth, no value whatsoever in fellow human beings living out their lives across the earth.

      The worst part is that these ‘legions of stupid people’ don’t even exist.  Genuinely ignorant people are extremely rare.  The ‘idiot masses’ that many commentators would like to forcibly sterilize or even systematically murder, are nothing but a strawman, an imaginary Frankenstein of inane MTV soundbites, snippets of conversation overheard in shopping malls or nightclubs and fictitious media stereotypes of ignorant middle class types.  The worst examples of modern culture are projected onto everyone that the poster doesn’t intimately know and now we have the general theme of comments on this article.

      And I think that last point is important.  How many of the posters demanding that ‘stupid’ people be stripped of the right to vote and breed were born to two doctors or engineers or physicists.  Who here came from a family where only intellectual pursuits were encouraged, where there were no presents at Christmas (nasty consumerism) and where your parents possessed only the most carefully reasoned and balanced political opinions that they passed onto their children.  Not many I would say.  Yet you all grew up to be so intelligent that you can flippantly label the rest of humanity as worthless?  The ‘stupid’ people that Brett Rutledge would like us to excise from society are our mothers and fathers and siblings.  They probably have some ill-formed opinions on politics and I doubt that anyone’s parents are as culturally refined as their children wish they were, but their contributions to society are immense, and their ability to raise productive families and vote for their leaders has produced a modern society which is smarter, healthier, more compassionate and more vibrant than any other in the history of mankind.

      And don’t get me started on that definition of stupid as acting in a way that is damaging to others as well as yourself.  No one in the world can say that they have never stuffed up a work project, or a relationship, or made a foolish purchase.

      tl;dr:  We all take turns doing stupid things and then making fun of the other people doing stupid things.  Try not to let such an inane game make you hate the world so much, you’ll feel better for it.

    • Harold says:

      09:24pm | 02/03/11

      @ Samson, by far the most intelligent comment here.

      In my opinion someone with a high IQ who fails to acknowledge they are still capable of making mistakes, is more stupid than one with a low IQ who is aware of their limitations.

    • Huey says:

      08:35am | 02/03/11

      Dumb and stupid usually only harm themselves or a few others. Smart but stupid are the real worry,their potential to cause harm is unlimited.

    • Tubesteak says:

      08:56am | 02/03/11

      “In business they not only managed to almost bring down the entire world economy but somehow also got the job of fixing what they had broken.”

      Bit ironic to write an article about stupidity and include this quote which seems to imply you don’t understand the causes of the GFC. The GFC was caused by stupid people but not the stupid people you seem to think.

      Stupid people can be mildly entertaining or they can be useful as masturbatory aids such as all the vapid princesses that seem to be inspired by Paris Hilton.

      However, there should be limitations on voting. If you can’t give a detailed explanation of macro- and micro-economics plus a detailed explanation of our legal and democratic system then you shouldn’t be allowed to vote. This will isolate the impacts of stupid people.

    • Bazza says:

      09:55am | 02/03/11

      Wouldn’t this just give more power to those with better access to education (ie the wealthy), and not necessarily the smarter? Not a rhetorical question.

      I’m not educated, and wouldn’t be able to give a detailed explanation of the systems you cite, but I understand that the catalyst for the GFC was questionable lending practises, and I certainly wouldn’t have wildly blamed Labor had Australia gone into recession. I know what the “G” in “GFC” stands for.

      However, I know of degree-holding individuals who blindly attribute Australia’s pre-GFC economic boom to previous Government management rather than waves of global credit.

      Should I be disallowed from voting, even though I am able to form my own opinions independently, despite the propaganda that flows during election time?

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      10:14am | 02/03/11

      I don’t think that the people who caused the GFC are stupid at all. They managed to loot the US public treasury and still continue to make money by borrowing from the the US Treasury at a virtual interest free rate and lending at a higher rate.

    • Tubesteak says:

      10:19am | 02/03/11

      One of the tenets of economics is that advanced economies need a well-educated populace in order to prosper. The reason this doesn’t translate into action is because governments fail to adequately fund decent educational programs (usually too busy focusing on the electoral cycle and buying votes with baby bonuses and maternity leave thus meaning less money for core essentials).

      Therefore, you wouldn’t necessarily be left behind. You, or more likely, your children, would be advanced as educational standards would be a larger focus (as would health, infrastructure and transport as economics again shows that these are also necessary for a prosperous society). Thus, it wouldn’t necessarily be exclusionary.

      It depends on what degrees your friends have. The opinion of an engineer or doctor on the causes of the GFC are moot and no more valuable than your own.

      However, dodgy lending practices were a symptom and not necessarily the cause. The real cause of the GFC came with market liberalisation in the 70s and not enough regulation coupled with governments flooding the markets with cheap credit. Market liberalisation is fine if you have the necessary regulations and controls in place. But there wasn’t.

    • Ho Hum says:

      04:13pm | 02/03/11

      Tubesteak “If you can’t give a detailed explanation of macro- and micro-economics plus a detailed explanation of our legal and democratic system then you shouldn’t be allowed to vote. This will isolate the impacts of stupid people.”

      Being a parrot and verbalising huge volumes of economic, legal or constitutional definitives and text does not in any way make an individual automatically “NOT stupid”. In fact it often reflects a huge weakness.

      I’ve sat through many government sponsored think tanks where repetitive, verbatum parrotting by accountants and lawyers of huge paragraphs from some obscure legal document followed by all round slaps on the back, was supposed to somehow be the penultimate resolution of the serious problems we were discussing. It’s schoolboy stuff. Nonsensical and one of the reasons our governments and some organisations can’t deliver… and where others more intelligent, make a buck. Great gift of the gab and good memory may get you reelected, but won’t necessarily solve the problems we now face… many stemming from stupid decisions made by prominent stupid people. For that we need intelligent people who can think outside the box while not entirely discarding the lessons of history.

      To fully quote Donald Horne “Australia is a lucky country run mainly by second rate people who share its luck.”

    • Nigel says:

      08:58am | 02/03/11

      Huey, so true, beware the stupid academic….

    • Sheridan says:

      04:03pm | 02/03/11

      I so agree with that.. The educated idiot is the most dangerous of all..

    • Al says:

      08:58am | 02/03/11

      re: “1. Always and inevitably each of us underestimates the number of stupid individuals in circulation.”

      If this is true it is VERY scary as I consider the VAST majority of the human population to be not just stupid but dowright moronic!

    • Al says:

      08:58am | 02/03/11

      re: “1. Always and inevitably each of us underestimates the number of stupid individuals in circulation.”

      If this is true it is VERY scary as I consider the VAST majority of the human population to be not just stupid but dowright moronic!

    • James says:

      09:07am | 02/03/11

      Here here about time we addressed this issue, we should not be giving stupid people a megaphone.

    • Isa Mudgecko says:

      09:09am | 02/03/11

      Thank God I’m not alone in (once-)common sense.

      We do need to try to stop stupid clowns from breeding,not subsidise and encourage them to do so.

      Start with the mindless oafs who manage to get lost attempting to bushwalk/sail/stunt ride without any safety equipment, and then cause much expense and trouble to others trying to rescue them. Let them suffer the consequences of their stupidity and remove themselves from the breeding pool.

      Danger is nature’s way of sorting out the non-viable humans.

    • Moonbeam says:

      11:19am | 02/03/11

      You mean like Tim Holding? So many people in his old Department are still disappointed he was found!

    • Trish says:

      09:11am | 02/03/11

      Yes, totally agree, why IS the so called “news” on tv flooded with the stupidity of the likes of Charlie Sheen etc. When did this stuff become “news”. We rarely ever watch the news on TV anymore - it’s just full of rubbish.

      And don’t get me started on why on earth they have to “advertise” news.

    • Mirror says:

      09:13am | 02/03/11

      If we get rid of stupid people, The Punch will have nothing to print.

    • pinkandpurple says:

      09:17am | 02/03/11

      A smart person would walk right away from discussing stupid people…

    • Look at me... says:

      09:28am | 02/03/11

      Yawn…  It is this very forum of media that promotes stupidity.  The inane and banal rule on the interwebs.The idolisation of persons who contribute nothing of any real benefit to society is reflected in the likes of FaceBook and Twitter, where the poor old kiddies who did not get enough attention from their parents now have a forum where they can now say:  “Look at me, look at me…” and some other moron will be watching.  Ah shucks I am a victim of it right now writing this!

    • Frito says:

      09:28am | 02/03/11

      Rich Prosecco. It has what plants crave.

    • Brett says:

      11:19am | 02/03/11

      It has electrolytes smile

    • ted thorne says:

      09:31am | 02/03/11

      And then there’s those manipulative “look at me” nobodies who then cry wolf to the media at every opportunity to brag about their latest celebrity sex trophy.

    • Redeker Plan says:

      09:32am | 02/03/11

      [Standing ovation]

      Well said, sir. Yeats put his finger on it before it even happened: “The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity.”

      You know, I’ve been making plans for the inevitable zombie apocalypse (IZA) for several years, which makes me the figure of much head-shaking and tinfoil-hat type comments from friends and family.  Sooner or later, these people will have to argue their way through the gates of my compound, and they will all have to admit they were wrong.  Other folks quietly make a passing comment about hordes coming over the back fence and you make eye contact and nod meaningfully;  you know you’ve met someone else who realises what’s happening.

      Because to me, the IZA is a metaphor for just how friggin vacuous and stupid the human race is becoming.  Romero showed us – the mindless shamblers who return to the shopping mall and stagger around aimlessly because that’s how they chose to spend their days when they lived. 

      The other night I watched George Negus’ 6 pm show, because you know, it’s George Negus and I’ve been a fan since I was a kid, back when 60 minutes was worth watching (I’m showing my age a bit).  And I truly could not understand how that format was approved to go to air.  At least the 6.30 ACA/TT abortions don’t even attempt to pass themselves off as serious news journalism – but this is George F@#$n Negus.  Presenting the top world news – Egypt, Libya, etc, in 40 second grabs between ads for KFC and antibacterial bum-wipe commercials.  Is it the first TV program aimed at goldfish?  The Daily Show is a SATIRE and it gives more indepth information.

      I know the human race been getting progressively stoopider since the 90s.  But I really noticed it during the Bush era, because that’s when it first started to become something shameful to admit that you believed in book-learnin’.  When the adjective “intellectual” became something that you dreaded hearing applied to yourself, because then anything you had to add to a debate would be sneered at, usually in conjunction with the phrase “ivory tower” shoved into it somewhere. 

      The trend caught on here, which is how we ended up with this vague notion that only people who live in McMansions, and spend their free-time wandering around Chadstone buying Pumpkin Patch designer clothes for the future mindless drones they’ve squeezed out of their bogan loins are “real Australians”.  Anyone who put their hands up expressing concerns for the way our consumer-driven debt-orgy was affecting the environment, the economy, and the socially disadvantaged was howled down as an “Intellectual Elite” (or a latte-sipper, if Intellectual Elite had too many syllables to remember). 

      I could go on, but I won’t; my blood-pressure is starting to rise.  I used to think that I could make a difference; make the world a better place for everyone.  I studied hard and worked harder to try and improve the lives of people who couldn’t do it for themselves.  But it’s can’t be done, the tipping point is long past; the majority see nothing wrong with what they’re becoming – it’s comfortable, and there’s nothing to fear as long as you shut up, consume, try to become famous and most of all let the government make your decisions for you.

      But mark my words folks - the brain-dead are rising.  Now I spend my time preparing bug-out bags and sharpening my machete.  Now I look after me and mine.

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      10:30am | 02/03/11

      “I could go on”

      That was you holding back? You’re right, self-important pseudo-intellectual tirades are usually longer than this.

    • Ms Zoolander says:

      10:41am | 02/03/11

      I think we must be soul mates!!! This article has soothed my mind a little…I was beginning to think I was alone, drowning in a sea of idiots, narcissists and self obsessed twitterers

    • Redeker Fan says:

      01:46pm | 02/03/11

      ^ this comment, the best comment I think I’ve ever read. It’s so good it’s even making me comment on a blogging site. Please can you make your own website where I can read your social commentary every day?

    • Romli065 says:

      02:02pm | 02/03/11

      Well said Redeker Plan, and you too Ms. Zoolander.  I too was starting to think myself some sort of closet genius, saying things in my head like .. “am I seriously the only one who recognises the rise of all the morons in the world?”.  It’s a hideous state of affairs, and I fear it will only get worse before it gets any better.  Thank God I never had any children, for they too would surely be part of this moronic Gen Y scourge and I would have to expend all my energy to hold back and NOT KILL THEM!  Bring on the IZA!

    • TCM says:

      08:14pm | 02/03/11

      GOLD !!

      Take a bow Sir——- and I thought I was alone amongst a sea of STUPID STUPID people…....

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      12:03am | 03/03/11

      God, back to Shakespeare in the park. All of you.

      What a genius. Regurgitating the ABC like that, how intellectual.

    • JudyG says:

      09:33am | 02/03/11

      Hallelujah, finally someone has come out and said it - the media is hell bent on shoving the drivel written about these idiot people - quite frankly I couldn’t give a toss what Bingle is tweeting, whether Jess Hart is working hard, what Simone Callahan is doing or Kim Kardashian for that matter. Don’t get me wrong I do not want to see just gloom and doom written, but for the love of God, why do we have to have the inane thoughts and goings on of these famous, for being famous people reported on every second. While they may provide some level of escape for the great unwashed - it is trite drivel in the end and maybe they should be focusing on making THEIR lives better rather than trying to live vicariously through these non-events

    • Janey says:

      10:32am | 02/03/11

      gosh Judy I just about lulzed myself off my chair rolling in my pants.
      Or something like that.
      Just reading or hearing that “so and so tweeted such and such” makes me kind of ill.
      Twitter and tweet.  Tweedledum and Tweedle even dumber.

    • Andrew says:

      09:34am | 02/03/11

      The average person is pretty stupid, and fifty per cent of people are even more stupid than that. I agree - stupidity is dynamic and independent of intelligence, ability or talent. The worst stupidity is wilful stupidity. Take, for example, the healthcare debate in the US. Now, everyone has a view to which they are entitled. I will not reveal mine as it’s not important. However, it was easy to see from the outside the debate, so far as the Republicans were concerned, centred on socialism, communism and encroaching government control. I’ve a degree in politics and sociology and I can absolutely confirm, through trolling right-wing forums, the people screeching the loudest had no idea *whatsoever* what the terms “socialism” or “communism” meant. Like, not the first idea. Further, they had no desire to learn. You’d explain the military was also “socialised” and that Marx said communism could only exist AFTER capitalism, so we’ve never really seen a Marxist communist state… and they’d lose control and begin really nasty ad hominem attacks. They spit ‘liberal’ like it is a swear word and be in no doubt, they have no idea what that means either. These are smart people - engineers, pilots - wilfully choosing ignorance because accepting added information would be accepting their position is incorrect at best - cruel, selfish and capricious at worst.

      Stupid people are everywhere and I’m sick on entertaining their lack of drive, gumption or natural curiosity. I resisted this type of thinking a long time, then realised I was just putting myself down to make others feel better for their own stupidity. Now I’ve accepted that most people are dumb as a sack of hammers I feel much better, as though chains have been cast off. Half of the people I meet I need not suffer at all and can safely ignore completely. Bonus.

    • James1 says:

      12:51pm | 02/03/11

      Sometimes I begin to despair for the future of conservative politics, with the anti-intellectual turn it has taken of late.  Edmund Burke would be rolling in his grave.

    • PaulM says:

      10:52am | 04/03/11

      One thing I have noticed about the vacuous & stupid is their propensity to start a sentence with Like, or You Know.

    • Marek says:

      09:38am | 02/03/11

      Sadly, you make very good point.

      PS: perhaps we need an IQ test at polling booths. Anyone with IQ lesser than 100 does not get to vote.

    • Bilby says:

      10:05am | 02/03/11

      I once suggested to a French girl that the problem with our system was that not only do we *allow* stupid people to vote, we *force* them to. The righteous indignation that followed was something to behold wink

    • Elphaba says:

      10:19am | 02/03/11

      No, no, no.

      No matter how ‘stupid’ you may feel people are, they are all entitled to a vote. 

      Anyone who think stupid people don’t deserve to vote is a pretentious wanker.

    • Bilby says:

      11:21am | 02/03/11

      “Anyone who think stupid people don’t deserve to vote is a pretentious wanker.”

      To this and Yossarian below, I say that this sort of attitude that has assisted us in becoming the society we have today, with the government that we deserve. Every opinion, no matter how idiotic and poorly thought out, is equal. What a load of tripe.

    • Marek says:

      11:33am | 02/03/11

      @Elphaba,
      would you like for example to drive a car designed, built and tested by stupid people? What if you discovered at 100km/hour they forgot to include a break? When a motor company employees an engineer, they make sure he/she is qualified.

      Voting is a bit like that too. You vote people in, who design and build a nation. And yet, the people who select the “nation’s engineers” and the “engineers” themselves are not subject to any scrutiny. Frightening.

    • Elphaba says:

      12:00pm | 02/03/11

      @Marek, be serious.  Your example sucks - how ridiculous.  The ability to build a car has nothing to do with your opinion about whether it’s a crap car or not, but whether you can put the parts together.

      You want to strip the ‘stupid’ (in your opinion) people’s right to vote because they didn’t vote the way you wanted them to.  If they fill the ballot paper out correctly, then they are entitled to that vote.  The really stupid people are those who think they’re being sooooo intellectual by not voting at all and writing ‘Abbott is a cock’ on their ballot paper.

      Luckily, ‘stupid’ is subjective.  Guess what I think you are?

      Suffice it to say, I disagree vehemently with your opinion, and will not argue with you further.  Have a great day.

    • nicholas says:

      12:39pm | 02/03/11

      voting is not about intelligence it is about opinions and popularity. Politics is all about how popular you are vs other guy/girl (reminds me of that joke about the two guys running from the bear, one stops to put on sandshoes and says he doesnt have to outrun the bear, he just needs to outrun the other guy). We (the people) voted in kevin because we were tired of howard, tired of his american led war, tired of his children overboard fiasco, tired of his workchoices, and frankly we weren’t too sure of his abbott and peter costello replacement before the term of his office ended. We voted in Kevin because he was younger, fresher, he made promises (dont they all) which he, like every other politician, went and broke, but damn they sounded good. How many of you intelligent people actually examined each parties promises and vote based on that or did you just follow the national media beat up and roll with the mob to the polling office. Did you look at all the parties, the sex party, the gun party, the religious nutters party. Did you not vote in abbot last election because he looked ridiculous in budgie smugglers. Did you vote for Pauline Hanson in her time because she stired up the aussie spirit (please explain) and told you what you wanted to hear. I think if we all (stupid people included) sat down, did our own reserch, investigated each political party without media or emotional influences, then the polling booths would be a very quiet day on election date and we intelligent people would be spending a little more time confirming our excuse for not voting. As the imaginary Jesus once said, “let he who is without sin cast the first stone”

    • Bilby says:

      12:41pm | 02/03/11

      Elphaba - Building a car can be done by all sorts of idiots, due to the intelligence and design skills of the engineers. In fact it can be done by the stupidest of all, a robot. For each part, there is no choice. You take the only one designed for that car and fit in the slot provided. Voters have to choose between components which is more akin to the design example that Marek posited than the building part which you have latched on to.

      Imagine if voters put a car together. We’d have the engine electorate selecting a V8, the fuel electorate selecting diesel, and the chassis electorate selecting a mini moke, cos it’s cheap. We’d end up with… well… the government that we have. Not surprising really is it?

    • Tubesteak says:

      12:45pm | 02/03/11

      Democracy only works when you have an informed and engaged populace. We don’t have that.

      We have a few people who are informed and engaged and a large number of people that vote for whoever tells them their wallets will be fatter.

      Universal suffrage has left us in the state where every ill-informed and poorly thought-out opinion is just as valid as well-reasoned opinions. This creates poor government by electing poor representatives who are locked into repeating this cycle.

      Stupid is not subjective. It can be objectively measured by determining the depth of knowledge and ability to reason in a person.

    • Elphaba says:

      01:19pm | 02/03/11

      Still disagree, guys.  I think stripping the rights from people less informed than you (and again, you’re only as informed as you choose to be), is a bad idea.

      And we ended up with the government we have because people made no choice at all.  Those people would claim that they’re wildly intelligent because they chose to not vote at all.  I don’t like the government we have either - but at least my beef is with the right people.

    • baal says:

      02:20pm | 02/03/11

      I can tell you guys have not really thought this through.
      Who decides who can not vote, when you limit the voting franchise you run the risk of alienating people and creating an underclass.
      IQ tests are a biased for a mulitude of reasons (research them). Any means of discriminatin would create injustice.
      The only way I could see it working is gaining your vote via miliary or civil service so only commited responsible citizens are rewarded with the privilage of the vote.

    • Marek says:

      02:20pm | 02/03/11

      @Elphaba there is a vast difference between uninformed and stupid. In many jobs you will be asked to pass a test to measure your competency, cognitive and problem solving skills, or even simple IQ test etc. However, it seems politicians do not need to be intelligent or competent.
      An IQ test question: If you promise no carbon tax before elections and introduce a carbon tax once elected you will be called:
      a) Labor party member
      b) jul-liar
      c) PM of Australia
      d) all of the above
      e) untrustworthy
      f) i still get my dole check
      Similarly you could test IQ of a voter: If you elect Labor for the n-th term in NSW you will get:
      a) better transport system
      b) better medical system
      c) unified transport ticketing system
      d) low electricity bill
      e) none of the above
      f) probably 2 new Premiers per term
      e) i still get my dole check

    • Bilby says:

      02:39pm | 02/03/11

      baal - I’m sorry, but if you’re going to go adding pragmatic points of view to this argument, I’m going to have to ask you to leave.

    • Elphaba says:

      03:06pm | 02/03/11

      “However, it seems politicians do not need to be intelligent or competent.”

      So is it a problem with the pollies, or the voters @Marek?  If you think pollies are that bad, you should run for election and try to make a difference.

      I agree, both choices (Fed and State NSW) are utterly rubbish.  But I still will fight, to the death, for a political system that allows everyone to be heard.  I think it’s a wonderful thing.

      Look, what I’m saying is, that it boils down to voters not necessarily being stupid, but them not agreeing with you.  IF a person read what both parties offered, IF they read up on how to make their vote count, IF they read about the minor parties and where their preferences went to, and at the end of the day, still voted for the party you didn’t want them to, you would call them stupid.

      Having a different opinion does not equal stupidity.  And since we can’t differentiate between those who pull a party name out of a hat the morning of the election and those who read up on the system to be informed but still vote for someone different to you, then the vote must be afforded to everyone.

      Like I said - the only stupid people are the pseudo-intellectuals who voted for no one, and thought they were being clever.

    • Marek says:

      03:39pm | 02/03/11

      @Elphaba: I think you misjudge me. I never said I call people stupid because they do not agree with my opinion. My point was on literary stupid people. Low IQ, no concept of cause and consequence etc.

      As for standing for the elections myself: my qualifications are not needed in government. Unlike some politicians I know that. This does not mean I cannot demand that my local MP be competent and intelligent. The NSW candidate I talked to this morning at the local railway station shows some promise.

    • nicholas says:

      03:53pm | 02/03/11

      i think you will find that in this day and age politicians are all the same. At the end of the day what really is the difference between labor or liberal, thier popularity is to keep more people happy than the other guy on teh other side of the table at question time as they address Mr speaker. The greens are always going on about thier tree hugging crap but put them in office and they will handle the same issue, raise the same taxes, and fund the same levies and then the lower houses will pass or veto thier reforms to the eyeballs. Giving the common man the vote is part and parcel of our democracy and trying to take it away from them will not help us. Face it kids we will be where we are, it hasn’t really changed, hawke and keating weren’t that much different to todays abbot and gillard. Dont worry though soon our alien overlords will come down, put the mind clamp burden on us and we will toil in the mines next to the stupid people dreaming about the days when we could laugh at politicians in budgie smugglers.

    • Phill says:

      03:55pm | 02/03/11

      I’ve done IQ tests, on the web here and there. Seriously I must have an IQ of 4. I just can’t get the logic behind some of the questions. Then I walk away thinking I don’t need too know which obscure pattern comes next in the sequence. What for? Are IQ tests an accurate measure of intelligence?

    • Elphaba says:

      05:42pm | 02/03/11

      @Marek, I reckon a lot of those people probably either fail to vote correctly, or don’t show up at all - in which case, their vote is not counted. 

      My apologies for misinterpreting you.  I do think though a lot of people equate an election result they don’t like with people who are stupid.  I’ve seen several comments like that on other Punch articles.

      “The Green voters are to blame for our shitty govt, they wasted their vote” blah blah blah.

      Anyone who says that is in my opinion, a deadset moron.  The only wasted vote is the vote not cast.

      I agree, you absolutely should demand competence and intelligence from your candidate, and if they’re in politics, I have to believe there is a level of intelligence there.  I just think that most pollies enter with grandiose notions to change the world, and then realise it’s a lot harder than they think.  And the become jaded.  And they’re perceived as incompetent.

      @Phill, I agree - I’ve tried IQ tests before as well and was pretty underwhelmed about the result.  I think IQ pigeon-holes intelligence and there are many different forms.

    • John Dark says:

      07:28pm | 02/03/11

      Phill:
      IQ tests measure a certain way of thinking, that is all. At my worst, I have done extremely well on IQ tests. On a good day, I can test out near the top. It doesn’t mean a thing and hasn’t made an iota of difference. I would rather have the WISDOM to use what I had to the utmost of my ability in the real world than be able to figure out the next number in the sequence. Or, like a wise man once said “Common sense just ain’t that common”.
      I very much agree on the tests for voting rights and parental responsibilities as posited by an earlier comment though. In my weaker moments I tend to agree with a cull of the stupid, especially when I am driving. The fact that 90% of TV (as one example) is utter tripe is an indicator that the stupid vastly outnumber the wise. Must be why I tend to read and comment on these sorts of things ... or is that just irony?

    • Shifter says:

      02:02pm | 03/03/11

      @Marek - back on what @Bilby touched on, do you think the situation would be improved if compulsory voting were abolished?

      From my opinion, I believe it would, as I perceive the ‘stupid’ among us to be less engaged in the political and economic landscape, and this would make them less inclined to tale 15 minutes of their Saturday to vote.

      The flip side, I believe, would be that it would encourage even more voting buying by major parties as they would now need to engage the populace to get to the polling booth as well as writing the party’s name down

    • george says:

      09:39am | 02/03/11

      The problem is most of the so called smart people are loony lefties and are stupid. So we all just give up and see what Charlie is doing.

    • BT says:

      09:43am | 02/03/11

      I see dumb people ... everywhere

    • Tony.N says:

      09:46am | 02/03/11

      So true. Could not have put it better myself !

    • BT says:

      10:02am | 02/03/11

      One keeps walking past me many times in a day ...

    • Keen Observer says:

      09:49am | 02/03/11

      Have you noticed none of us commenters think we are stupid? I’d say there must be a fair percentage…..but which of us?

    • Bilby says:

      10:08am | 02/03/11

      I vote for NRL and Collingwood supporters.

    • Shane says:

      12:25pm | 02/03/11

      I think Bibly is stupid.
      Go pies.

    • Bilby says:

      01:02pm | 02/03/11

      “Bibly” huh? +1 vote for pies supporters wink

    • Sheena Steele says:

      09:53am | 02/03/11

      Anyone who works in Insurance knows that people are stupid. Just try being in a call center for a while and see how often you get this conversation: “What is your policy number so I can lodge that claim for you.” - “Oh I knew you were going to ask me that… I don’t have it.”  Now imagine how many of the call center staff would really like to ask “If you knew I was going to ask for it, why didn’t you bring it to the phone you idiot?”  Also look at how many people who run into someone while reversing their car out of a car park and then blame it on the other person because they ‘stopped right behind me’.  Stupidity, or willfull laziness?  Either way if they keep breeding the human race is stuffed!

    • Itsurjob!! says:

      11:11am | 02/03/11

      Why don’t the stupid call centre staff do a simple name search?

    • Andrew says:

      12:00pm | 02/03/11

      Because @Itsurjob!!, people can have multiple policies under their name, a business or a family name. Also there are many people with the same name. Yes, they can do a name search - and then confirm which policy?? Does that help?

    • Nicholas says:

      09:53am | 02/03/11

      well how about a stupid licence. We need one to drive a vehicle, we need one to do certain sports (scuba diving)  and yet stupid people are freely allowed to wander around and breed, maybe not creating more stupid people but possibly screwing up their offspring ( such as the “skeletal” baby fatality reported yesterday, or those 5-6 filthbags in that property tormenting those kids reported laste month) If they had a licence for breeding we may have a chance of weeding some of them out. Also a new ratings catagory which works in conjuction with the rating system in place. So “Big momma’s house” might be classified M + S (for mature and stupid audiences)

    • Ralph Midnight says:

      09:55am | 02/03/11

      I’m sorry - I don’t think stupid people are the enemy - the enemy is narcissism. A stupid person stands in the queue at Hungry Jacks and craps on about how he’s just got out of prison and his mate is still on the run. A narcissist treads carefully and quietly, before offering the stupid person some drugs and later steals his wallet. Which is the more dangerous? Stupid people are merely the minions of those who manipulate for there own gain. Ricky Nixon isn’t stupid, he’s a narcissist…

    • notSue says:

      04:28pm | 02/03/11

      Or just a really STUPID narcissist?

    • dexter says:

      09:57am | 02/03/11

      Great piece - thanks - thought I was the only one who thought this about the morons we glorify nowadays in all walks of life…......

    • Sick of idiots says:

      10:00am | 02/03/11

      The world has changed so much and because obviously stupid people are in charge of media, glorified stories about stupid iditids make the papers every day and stupid people read them.  I refuse to read about the likes of Paris Hilton. Stupid breeds danger, the most dangerous around today are Gillard, Brown & Oakshott. Idiots like Tracey Spicer can write dangerously stupid artilces like the one that appeared in the Punch yesterday.  I agree with Brett’s article today, wholeheartedly.

    • Seanmac says:

      10:02am | 02/03/11

      Since the mid eighties there have been two ongoing events that have created where we are at today. Firstly the dumbing down of society as a whole and secondly the establishment of laws to protect 10% of the population from their own stupidity and that being accompanied by an ever growing list of public servants with outrageous power prosecuting people who do nothing more than use common sense. Without being unfair I suppose the police or someone like ASIC are the classic example of this. Both supported by Billions in funding and getting more and more power through laws that to many people seem very unfair. Take for example speeding tickets from speed cameras… they want to lessen the tolerance now from 10% to 5% apparently so that if your doing 63 in a 60 zone… your gone. 63 could be accounted for by climate, camber and minimal wear on tires… so has the fined individual done anything wrong? What needs to happen is that we need more common sense people in Parliament who will argue against these stupid laws and policies and more for a common sense approach to living.

    • Stephen says:

      10:02am | 02/03/11

      Politics is stupid because..

      Political debate is formed not by the gathering of known facts and coming to a rational decision based on sound evidence.

      Instead it is based on adversarial combat, either from stupid blind conviction or the stupid requirement to take the opposite view regardless, despite the merits of the other sides case.  This stupid juvenile way of making important decisions is so contradictory to the more evidence and conciliatory based way we make decisions in our own life e.g family work etc.

      In addition we have the voter stupidity factor where it is well known that they don’t need to hear complex and researched debate.  They instantly know the answers from the conviction of their stupidity, e.g. all scientists are wank**s, journos are wank**s, economists are wank**s, the whole spectrum of do gooders (e.g. child protection agencies) are wank**s, judges are wank**s, in fact everyone in public life is a wank**r except the talkback radio host or the politician who’s crude sound bite mirrors their own tiny minds.

      Dare to mess with the stupid and pay the price.

    • Ms Zoolander says:

      10:03am | 02/03/11

      this is exactly right…I can barely tolerate fools at the best of times…but it seems to me that idiotic behaviour is almost de rigeur currently

    • Bazza says:

      10:19am | 02/03/11

      I’m an advocate of removing the safety labels off of things so that the problem of Stupid People will solve itself, however the resulting litigation will negate any beneficial effects.

      Frankly, railing from in front of my monitor will do nothing. Compounding the problem, as I see it:

      - Kids are taught they are special and unique, aren’t given any kind of negative reinforcement that their actions are wrong, so is it any surprise that when the Police tell them off for glassing someone in their local barn, that they react indignantly? How dare someone suggest that they’ve done something wrong??

      - Any kind of negative result from actions can be skewed by either denying, shouting over, or somehow pushing responsibility outward as someone else’s fault.

      - Success can come from having no virtue other than confidence and the ability to kiss ass. Less weight is given to intelligence and evidence based recommendations.

      - challenging convention is often aggressively shut down. Being right is no substitute for having a louder voice or more voices behind you.

      I lament these things, but the final point is what dissuades me from even trying to change things.

    • Kim says:

      12:34pm | 02/03/11

      Can I now take the note off the microwave at work that says:  “Warning!  Contents may be hot.”  ?

      And the one off the Freezer that says:  “Warning!  Contents may be cold.”  ?

    • James1 says:

      12:48pm | 02/03/11

      What about the rat poison that warns us that it is not for human consumption?

      “Oh okay, I’ll just feed it to my cat then.”

    • Sheridan says:

      04:21pm | 02/03/11

      I heard about a woman who superglued her eyes shut because she used it to put on false eyelashes, a man who got his penis caught in the workings of a conveyer belt because he was trying to get a thrill at work and a woman who sustained serious injury when she was indulging in sex play with her partner and a hedge trimmer.. Apparently they all won their cases..

    • St. Michael says:

      11:48pm | 02/03/11

      Actually, those warning labels aren’t there to stop the Stupid People.

      They’re there to eradicate an entirely different breed of subhumanity: the rats who launch frivolous legal action knowing most companies would rather provide some go-away money than spend the tens of thousands required to successfully defend the court case that follows.

      Those individuals are not the Stupid People.  They are much more intelligent, or at least, cunning.  And they are even lower lifeforms than the Stupids.  I call them the Cockroach People.  Because they’re always there, they’re always first when the shit hits the fan, and you will never, ever, eradicate them.

    • Sharon says:

      09:00am | 03/03/11

      A friend who was dating an American lawyer told me about one case he was involved in. A man sued a company because he injured his penis in a blender. Apparently he was in the habit of putting warm water and his penis into a blender and using the blender to move the water about to give him a pleasurable sensation. All was fine until he was away from his house and his own blender. He did the same thing with his friend’s blender(!), and because the design was different to his own blender’s design there was some contact and damage. He sued. And won I believe. Personally, I think his friend should have taken some action against him for putting his genetalia into someone else’s food processing equipment!

    • Pamela says:

      10:20am | 02/03/11

      I formed the view not long ago that 95% of the population is stupid and/or completely intolerable.  I now have my standards set as low as possible because the rage I feel towards this “legion” is making my brain throb.  The problem as I see it is not that there are so many stupid people, but that those stupid people are the ones that have the most children, forever perpetuating the cycle of stupidity.  It seems unstoppable.  The only solution is to lock myself indoors.

    • Mitzi says:

      10:23am | 02/03/11

      And the media is to blame for most of the stupidity because it gives headlines to these morons. Footballers & cricketers, just as models & actors get their massive egos massaged by the media, then the media turns around & kicks them in the head when the morons do something stupid. If the friggin’ media stopped giving these tragics headlines they’d stop being total losers. Kicking a lump of leather around a paddock is not something magical.  Shoving illicit drugs up ones nose is not groovy…it’s the actions of total losers.  The media needs to start focussing on people who do things that are uplifting, & good for mankind. Because if people like that utter talentless bimbo Paris Hilton are the highest role model that the media can dish up then mankind is in serious trouble. The media needs to do more serious investigation of interesting subjects & stop writing up crap that they get from publicists who are paid massive amounts of cash to get their clients names in headlines.

    • Yossarian says:

      10:38am | 02/03/11

      Must be awful, being so obviously superior to everyone, how on earth do you all cope? Oh the MASSES, the stupid, moronic masses…(wrings hands in depair), why don’t they GET it? Articles like this pander to the egos of the wanna-be intelligentsia -  if we can call society ‘stupid’, we can immediately feel better about ourselves. You could go a long time before you hear it said, but actually, western society is better than it’s ever been. It is fairer, kinder, gentler and open to change and progress. Leave folk alone! So what if they want to read about what Paris/Britney/Christina are up to or how much coke Charlie snorted this week. Jesus, what a pack of insufferable snobs!

    • HappyCynic says:

      03:16pm | 02/03/11

      Sure it’s a fairer, kinder, gentler place but you know what they say about ignorance… it’s bliss.  As for being open to change and progress… two words are enough to rebut that point - Tony Abbott.

      Besides I don’t think the slobbering frothing masses are stupid, I think everyone is, without exception.

    • Kim says:

      04:01pm | 02/03/11

      Yossarian - since you have also read the article and entered a comment, are you including yourself in the title of insufferable snob or do you feel that you are above snobbery?

    • Katemonster says:

      10:39am | 02/03/11

      This just supports my argument for a voluntary bogan sterilization program.  If we can stop the stupid people breeding eventually they’ll die out - I dont know many (if any) doctors, lawyers, nurses, etc whose parents didn’t support them throughout school - bogans are too busy drinking and adding the letter O to the end of everyones names to help their kids. (I also think they are stupid enough to think that getting $15k to get sterilized is an awesome deal)  A small town in NZ started this 2 years ago, I’d love to see the stats in 20 years time…

    • Trude says:

      10:53am | 02/03/11

      I’ve been saying the same thing for years. Stupidity is not funny, it is dangerous, especially in it’s influences. I told my kids to watch Idiocracy http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/ but look at it as a very frightening glimpse of the future if we’re not careful.

      The opening of Idiocracy is the most frightening, because it’s completely true right now. Stupid people over-breed, as do their kids and their kids and so on. Intelligent people only have the amount of children they can afford to feed, educate and spend quality time with. They already outnumber intelligent people 3-1, those numbers rise each year.

      I remember being horrified to read in The Advertiser once that there were calls to make some classes easier as today’s students were finding classes too hard. I’ve certainly met too many teachers the last few years with terrible spelling.

      Groups of stupid people form lobby groups to force their stupid ideas onto everyone else. They protest long and loud about stupid issues, they pass on hatreds and their stupid ideas to the next generation.

      Idiots have always been in government, but once upon a time you could feel secure knowing that they were in the minority, that’s not the case anymore.

      Media is to blame for most of it. Everywhere you look stupid people have become celebrities. It once took having a really special skill to become a celebrity, and news anchors themselves had to be intelligent. Now anyone with the right look or a popular You Tube video can be a celebrity.

      I don’t turn the TV on at all anymore and I won’t. But I can’t stop the kids from being affected by stupidity in the media and it worries me. We need to demand that the media stop appealing to the lowest common denominator.

    • Ben H says:

      11:20am | 02/03/11

      Trash is peddled and celebrated deliberately to keep us stuck in the bin, at the lowest level of consciousness. If real, decent people were in ‘entertainment’ and the like, we’d mimic THEM; we’d become good people living and experiencing our being in a positive manner, with concern for others and the world’s problems. Those running the show - creating the problems and pushing hatred and apartness - couldn’t have that. It would ruin everything for them. We’re much easier to herd when we think we are selfish, perverted animals.

    • Ben H says:

      11:40am | 02/03/11

      Whatever they project onto society, we become. None of us have mastered our minds to the point that we can filter out everything we contemplate. We always - some quicker and easier than others, depending on our level of awareness - become what our hearts and minds are exposed to. The entire media industry needs to be overhauled, and the trash removed, if humanity is to have any chance.

    • Andrew says:

      11:20am | 02/03/11

      I’m afraid Modern Society has developed safety nets so that the effects of natural selection have largely been removed.  In fact our breeding and education practices has produced the target demographic for every succesful snake oil salesmen nowadays. A bit like cows in a paddock. If you want to see the future I recommend you see an underrated film called Idiocracy. It’s a one-joke comedy that scarily develops into a documentary - but the first 15 minutes sets the scene.  Every time you see a stupid act by celebrities and politicians you find yourself reflecting on the films prophecies and our future!

    • JulesG says:

      11:25am | 02/03/11

      Stupidity in general is across the board and exponentially more manifest than it used to be.

      The dumbing down of our society, especially in educational performance is at the root of it. Competency based systems that bring the best of us down to the lowest common denominator, in order that the weak are not allowed to ‘fail’ like they used to be. Gone are terms like distinction and credit, instead you are deemed to be ‘competent’ or ‘not yet competent’. A politically correct train wreck I think!

      Red neckery abounds. Political illiteracy and lunacy surrounds us in a sea of apathy. A whole generation that is incapable of verbal expression because of their inability to read and write and their seriously deficient vocabularies are just plain scary! The inability to do the most basic arithmetic is pretty much universal and they don’t seem to care about their illiteracy and innumeracy.

      It’s not surprising that the young and the seriously hampered among us plump for the iconoclastic idolatry of celebrity worship and the wall to wall popularist, American drivel on the telly. It’s an easy and more importantly, effortless way to get some stimulation and to pass the time between competing acts of inanity. Who are these celebrities? What do they do? What use do they serve? Why are these generally stupid people so valued and why are knowledge, excellence, science, achievement and literature so not valued? Not only are they not valued but considered uncool!

      The general level of abject stupidity in our society and the worship of vacuous, meaningless, mindless and utterly useless crap is not only dangerous but threatens the continuation of our species.

    • Ron e Coote says:

      11:40am | 02/03/11

      How else can you explain Gillard’s popularity? Or how Wayne Swan, or Anthony Albanese ever made it this far.

    • JulesG says:

      02:19pm | 02/03/11

      @Ron e Coote: Because they were deemed to be somewhat less stupid than the Liberal/National alliance

    • Ben says:

      11:42am | 02/03/11

      hear hear!

      here’s the test: if you think you’re not stupid, you are.
      it doesn’t matter what you think, only what is.

      if you’ve taken the time to gather the evidence (your tangible results and achievements such as test scores) and carefully considered it all, paying no attention to what you personally think or what other say about you, and everything seems to suggest that you are not stupid, then you might not be.

      eg:
      (stupid) i think this light is better.
      (non-stupid) having tried a variety of different lights, comparing illumination and power bills, it’s clear that this light is the best.

      (stupid) my car is fastest.
      (non-stupid) well we’ve had 4 races, driving each other’s cars in each direction, and you’ve won 3 out of 4, so your car is the fastest.

      (stupid) this government keeps raising taxes!
      (non-stupid) looking at my payslips and receipts over the last 5 years, the comparitive and total tax i’ve paid under this government is about 1% lower.

    • James1 says:

      12:02pm | 02/03/11

      “(stupid) my car is fastest.
      (non-stupid) well we’ve had 4 races, driving each other’s cars in each direction, and you’ve won 3 out of 4, so your car is the fastest.”

      Anyone who races any type of vehicle surely has to be considered stupid.

    • Ben says:

      06:09pm | 02/03/11

      wow we might have a further, real-life example! based on what evidence?

    • John Smythe says:

      11:45am | 02/03/11

      HAHAHA Great read!

      I haven’t laughed this much at a Punch article in ages. Can’t agree more. We need to start weeding out the stupid gene….

    • jack goff says:

      11:48am | 02/03/11

      well said - finally someone has spoken up!!

    • Rex Jones says:

      12:15pm | 02/03/11

      The baby bonus is increasing the overall stupidity of the Australian gene pool! It incentivises the wrong type of people to have children - Some people should be paid not to have children!

    • N says:

      12:18pm | 02/03/11

      Been saying this for years. People make up 90% of the population. People are stupid.

    • Dogbolter says:

      12:32pm | 02/03/11

      Sorry, but where’s Erick, first comment and screaming about how dare you use a woman as as an example - because, y’know men can be as stupid and vacuous as women too.

      Oh, wait…

    • michael b says:

      12:35pm | 02/03/11

      Beautifully put Brett.  Love a debate about stupidity. But I would point out…who do you think is driving/fueling this whole “role model” drivel in the first place? The media of course. because it justifies the focus on the stupidity. We can mock the afflicted, and at the same time, feel a little better about our own existence.  It’d love to see a little more attention on the aspirational - the people doing great things instead of the idiot.  Wouldn’t be nearly as funny, but we might learn something, and heavens above, improve.

    • Leroy says:

      12:41pm | 02/03/11

      Funny though…the same medium that empowers these losers, also promulgates mediocre journalism and populist commentary without the slightest effort on behalf of the author…

    • Nat says:

      12:47pm | 02/03/11

      OK, while few others seem to acknowledge their own responsibility with this situation, I admit it.

      I have moments of stupidity.  At least, I hope they are just moments.  I can’t really be sure though….

      But I still have many times where I shake my head or cringe in disgust at the overly PC/fame-whore culture we are sprinting towards.

      For those interested, Bill Engvall (American comedian) does a very funny stand up routine called ‘Here’s your sign’, all about stupid people.  Very funny…

    • HappyCynic says:

      12:49pm | 02/03/11

      I prefer to use a process of elimination to isolate the smart people from the idiots.  I start with the assumption that 100% of humans are idiots (of which I am, regrettably, one of them) until proven otherwise.

      Since I’ve lived with myself for a lifetime now I’m pretty confident I know myself pretty well and I know for a fact that I’m stupid in some areas.  But I keep learning.

      Only the truly intelligent acknowledge how little they actually know.  Only the truly stupid think they know all they need to know.  This applies to any and every subject, whether it be the inane (like why SSR is such a hateful troll) to the serious (like why Paris Hilton is successful)  smile

    • Tim says:

      12:58pm | 02/03/11

      While I agree with some of what you’re saying… you realise that the company you work for and are writing this piece for are the worst offenders - in fact the orignal - sadly now the tripe is spreading like a cancer and degrading the quality of the ABC’s reporting and SBS who think they also have to mention this irrelevant tungs about Paris Hilton or whoever else. It certainly isn’t news worthy… if you don’t agree, go take a look at news.com now. Or at any point ever and they will have a highly imbalanced page of opinions while they wait for ABC, BBC & SBS to report real news so they can to can post it… disgusting. Don’t think! Let us do it for you… newscorp could well be a large part of the problem in society today. I figure since they don’t need facts for a story neither do I… I just have an opinion, that’ll do.

    • Michael says:

      12:59pm | 02/03/11

      The media worships dumb people and idiots because it’s what sells advertising.  Why does it sell?  It’s because the celebrities reflect the general population.  People don’t want to read about the clever engineer, the smart doctor, the brilliant architect.  No.  Bring on the drug snorting, alcohol guzzling idiots.

    • Mike says:

      08:32pm | 03/03/11

      Absolutely.  If people read about important things (to me, these would be business or finance) or successful people of whatever academic / business / political field, we might actually get somewhere as a country.

      I cannot believe the amount of $ and time that people waste on reading women’s / celebrity magazines on their bus / train into work and about who is seeing who, who’s lost / put on weight, who’s wearing what. etc.  and then gossiping about it all.  Is it really that important to know so much about someone (that may not be true anyway) who you will probably never meet ? No. 

      But if you read a business magazine or something else, you might actually get promoted / do your job better / have better relationships with your spouse or kids / learn something useful / develop a new skill.

    • Drew says:

      01:22pm | 02/03/11

      You all sound like a bunch of pseudo-intellectuals totally in love with yourselves, especially the author of this article.

    • notSue says:

      11:26am | 03/03/11

      Obviously. WE aren’t stupid!

      (which of course we are, we’re posting on The Punch ffs!)

      Nah, we just love a good laugh at the rest of the world’s expense. It’s cheap entertainment!  Peace, brother.

    • B. says:

      01:23pm | 02/03/11

      Observation 1: Proclaiming your superiority on the Internet should be accompanied by at least a cursory spellcheck.

      Observation 2: Most people believe that they are above average. Go figure.

      Observation 3: The world needs stupid people. How many people with PHD’s do you see shovelling concrete, cleaning toilets or beating each other to a bloody pulp for our entertainment?

      That is all.

    • Bilby says:

      01:48pm | 02/03/11

      I believe that’s a “PhD”. The “h” goes with the “P”, so isn’t capitalised.

      Damn it’s hard being totally superior isn’t it?

    • Andrew says:

      02:15pm | 02/03/11

      Also, “PhDs” doesn’t require an apostrophe.

      Thank you for this glorious and unexpected chance to feel superior.

    • Ben says:

      06:15pm | 02/03/11

      re observation 2, the difference is many people have reasons for thinking they’re above average, maybe they used to be in the top percentage at school, perhaps they frequently win quiz nights, etc, while others just plain think they are above average (the end).

      re observation 3, the world needs stupid people quite right, but the problem is when stupid people’s unresearched, unreasoned, unsubstantiated opinions are listened to or even given voice.

    • cityboy @ Sydney says:

      01:30pm | 02/03/11

      I know I may be treading on many toes, offending the one-eyed, and being completely politically incorrect, but it has to be said.  In discussing the stupid I believe one cannot leave out Ricky Ponting and Michael Clarke (sorry cricket tragics). Just look into their eyes and I swear there is no-one home!

    • steve says:

      01:32pm | 02/03/11

      Oh c’mon leave Penis Hilton alone! She’s in a league of her own and you are all just jealous!

    • fairsfair says:

      06:13pm | 02/03/11

      of her penis?

    • St. Michael says:

      11:44pm | 02/03/11

      Hers and Lady Gaga’s, I think.  The latter of which has at least managed to figure out the entire celebrity scene is populated by stupid people and is just pushing it to see how far it can go before someone actually says “Holy crap, she’s just making this shit up as she goes!”

    • Holly says:

      02:08pm | 02/03/11

      look no further than some of the comments on this page

    • Bilby says:

      02:26pm | 02/03/11

      Which ones in particular? The comments with no capital letter and no full stop?

      Sometimes it’s hard, but sometimes…

    • Holly says:

      02:57pm | 02/03/11

      I rest my case.
      (this is too easy to be sport any longer, espcially in Bilby’s case)

    • mikk says:

      02:39pm | 02/03/11

      When did boganism become desirable? I remember when I was young these people were called ockers and yobbos and seen and treated with disdain. We need a bit of that back. Being an ignorant, uncouth, annoying dill should result in you being shunned not celebrated by society.

    • Seth Brundle says:

      02:57pm | 02/03/11

      The problem with stupid people is that they are too stupid to realise how stupid they are.  For example, the person who wrote this article is stupid.  You are stupid.  Also, I am stupid.
      As for Paris Hilton, she ain’t dragging herself out of bed every morning to go to a job she hates to earn peanuts, but you all happily call her a moron.  So, what do you call yourself when you are far less successful than a moron ?

    • Bloke says:

      03:09pm | 02/03/11

      I heard this described best one day when this was pondered between my friends on a Friday afternoon around drinks in the Uni Pub. First consider who you would think of as average intelligence then remember that 50% of the world is dumber than them… kind of scary when you think about it.

    • chazz says:

      03:11pm | 02/03/11

      At last. I thought no one else was looking. George Bush as President was going to be a great way to keep a Democrat in office and I went to bed happy. When I awoke I thought the Twilight Zone had opened up in Texas.  Then I kept seeing the most ignorant people being asked their opinions on the economy, politics, etc and I’m thinking, who are these people? Who cares what they think about anything? I wouldn’t accept input from them to help choose a grocery store. I am 65 and stuck in the Twilight Zone, HELP!!

    • The Masked Commenter says:

      03:37pm | 02/03/11

      I am sick of hearing about all these so-called celebrities. Whats Paris Hilton famous for? Being someones daughter. Well, its justified then…NOT. I dont care what colour dress they wear or what shoes they buy. In the end, they are nobodies, its just unfortunate that some for whatever reason makes them into somebodies.

    • Martin L. says:

      03:39pm | 02/03/11

      Is this why Charlie Sheens twittering is the top story of the day? Go and have a chat with your fellow journalist friends in the office.

    • Aaron says:

      03:43pm | 02/03/11

      Tall poppy syndrome is especially bad for lifting up the stupid and denigrating the intelligent. I worked hard to get into uni in Australia and left five years later with a Masters in Arts, not a Mensa level achievement but something I’m proud of. But now as an adult I’m embarrassed to even mention the fact in social situations.

      Australia is terrifying in how it celebrates mediocrity and underachieving.

    • ?? says:

      05:30pm | 02/03/11

      must be a hell of alot of stupid people making up the masses as they seem to identify with these so called moronic celebs and bottom feeders.

    • Stupidity is rife with voting says:

      06:00pm | 02/03/11

      Stupidity seems to be abundant amongst Australian voters. Many who were disillusioned by both Labour and The Liberals, chose to vote for the Greens, not knowing that a vote for the Greens is a vote for Labour. And even with The Liberals winning 700,000 more primary votes, we end up with a stupid unelected Prime Minister who sold her soul to stupid Independent Senators.

    • Elphaba says:

      07:50pm | 02/03/11

      A correctly cast vote, for no matter what party, is not a stupid vote.  Just because someone does not vote the way you want, does not make them stupid.

      Stupidity is the vote not cast.

      For the record, I’m a Liberal voter.

    • Geof says:

      06:59pm | 02/03/11

      I’m sick of hearing about artificial people like Hilton, Lohan, Sheen,Warne etc, it seems the media is not interested that much that there are disasters happening around the world and that Labor is trashing our economy and the country, they spend their time telling us what these beautiful people have for breakfast and who’s screwing who, I don’t want to know, I want to hear things that affect me, my country and the planet.
      I know it probably keeps a lot of people in a job following all these celebrity clowns around, but hey, they could always go out and get a real job.

    • clazberri says:

      07:10pm | 02/03/11

      Stupidity can be summed by in one word: Creationists.

    • Zac de Spudnut says:

      08:42pm | 02/03/11

      Except that the darwinians wrap evolution in a mountain of stupidity. One has to rely on heaps more faith and mythology to believe in Darwinism. But it doesn’t matter when the main agenda is to counter and defeat the Christians. Here is what I mean…..

      “I believe that one day the Darwinian myth will be ranked the greatest deceit in the history of science.” Søren Løvtrup, Darwinism: The Refutation of a Myth (New York: Croom Helm, 1987), p. 422.

      “Evolutionism is a fairy tale for grown-ups. This theory has helped nothing in the progress of science. It is useless.” Louis Bounoure. The Advocate, 8 March 1984, p. 17.

    • Dave says:

      07:43pm | 02/03/11

      Brett the trouble is I think Paris is smarter than we all give her credit for.  She relies on her percived “bimbo” status to build the image that she successfully parleys into money.  So she needs people like you to get all indignant and write articles about her to verify that you are smarter than she is.  But she makes more money than you do and she needs your articles and many more to keep her in the money.  So who is stupid??  {I know this wont get published but it was worth pointing the obvious out}

    • Bruce Price says:

      08:35pm | 02/03/11

      Brett, Don’t know you from the proverbial bar of soap. You may even come from south of the Murray. But you have got inside my head and stolen your entire column from there. There are certainly a lot of average ozzies you could steal the same thoughts from I suspect. Stupid people are stupid people and being politically correct about them, even when they have pushy kid spin doctors, gets a rich honest hard working country to the mess it currently is. Where are the leaders of integrity, inteligence and vision who can work beyond the power kick of getting elected again by whatever it takes?

    • Goldenfaber says:

      02:37am | 03/03/11

      I have been guilty of doing many stupid things in life. But one cannot continue doing them all your life.
      Stupidity as a valuation of others choices CAN be subjective. Many of my friends happily informed me that i was stupid when i told them i was going to Perth for a holiday last year and that i should be going to Asia which is cheaper. This is when they know i cannot handle humid weather as i have had my sweat glands in my legs and arms cut….
      The politically correct are not stupid as they know that all large institutions in this country are run by teams using that attack to terrify everybody else’s mind and that teamed up they can run everything and do bugger all themselves except promote themslves…
      In your private life it is not worth spending vast amounts of your time trying to change the minds of people who are stuck in an irrational mind set on some topics. It is stupid to forget that we are all irrationale or closed minded on some subjects.

    • Im with -> says:

      06:49am | 03/03/11

      I totally agree.  And heres the kicker for business.  I spent a good two months last year applying for jobs.  Im 40, decently educated, well travelled and on the big side.

      While applying for jobs I noticed that quite often, the young blonde bimbo archetype was hired most often.

      I also noticed that many of the interviewers were less worldly and less educated than myself.

      The majority of people you talk to in these situations when hit by a word with more than two syllable word will stare at you quizzically and then in their best “westie” voice ARKS, (yes not ask, but arks) what I mean.

      After two months of being prodded, probed and generally psychologically humiliated is, the people doing the interviews don’t want someone smarter than them being hired in case they get promoted faster than them.

      I even looked at state and federal government positions, there its even worse than the private sector.  Where equal opportunity has run riot and its more politically correct to hire the indian lesbian amputee with more metal attached to her face than you find in the average steel mill, than someone who is actually qualified for the position.

      This all being said there is still one company out there that does look at your CV and understands that business is about employing you based on your qualifications….  I should get back to work now… Would you like fries and a coke with that order sir?

    • strikemepink says:

      08:55am | 03/03/11

      I am beleaguered with same appalling attitude wherever I go with my Resume. Though I am an Indian but possess few redeeming qualities to disarm the stiff upper lip.
      Coming from Financial sector, I can multi task chores and have facility with words…I am yet to find a company where i can put my skills to use.
      I have metal on me i.e. in my commodity portfolio ..And please show me the way to this equal opportunity employer.
      And please stay away from junk food..our Brain is 80% water and that magic potion does wonders to your mental ability !

    • steveo says:

      07:03am | 03/03/11

      fun column. Yes, I have never understood how talk back hosts could endelessly humour “stoopid” and people. I have nothing against the quiet stupid person, but as I found out at school P&C meetings the stupid are often the most opinionated and time wasters.
      And Paris…. far from being attractive, even her resident facial [removed]for want of a better word”  portrays her as lacking character and being vacuous.
      That she doesn’t read, play chess, or visit museums is plain for all to see.

    • Jody says:

      07:32am | 03/03/11

      The sooner legislation is passed to sterilise stupid people so they stop breeding more stupid people, the better off this world will be.

    • petey of morley says:

      07:47am | 03/03/11

      Dont tell us, tell your mates in the media. If you guys didnt report it, we wouldnt hear it.

    • Daniel says:

      08:09am | 03/03/11

      It’s all well and good to say stupid people are in positions of power.

      I don’t see any of you up there… Obviously these people must have a bit of an IQ to be able to get into these positions and hold the jobs down.

      If you think you could do better or that these people aren’t good enough. Stop commenting about it and actually DO SOMETHING!

      If you people are so much smarter why are you not up there trying to take these jobs. It’s easy to be an armchair expert. Perhaps you’ll find that these jobs and the decisions that go with them are perhaps as easy as the ones you have to make in your simple average lives.

    • Tom says:

      02:58pm | 03/03/11

      Oh the irony of publishing an article decrying stupid people on a Murdoch owned website. A man who has made his millions providing product to the very stupid people you decry.

    • NESLIHAN KUROSAWA says:

      10:35pm | 03/03/11

      Hi there,

      Most definitely!! The question of the day remains,“when we act as silly as we sound, doest that mean we are shallow and also not worth discussing anything meaningful”??  I personally think that most people are born with certain intelligence levels, there is not much we can do about that because it is mainly genetic, right??  What I can not stand is that some who act as if they stupid just to get attention!!

    • NESLIHAN KUROSAWA says:

      11:08pm | 03/03/11

      Hi there,

      Most definitely!!  Most people are born with certain intelligence levels, there is not much we can do about that fact because it is pretty much genetic, right?? What I can not stand is that some people in the spotlight who act stupid and carefree just to get attention along the way!! It certainly makes headlines, however is this pretty much what we want to achieve in life or is it a secret longing deep down inside all of us, to act in this manner??

      We have to realize at some point in our lives that we actually have this longing for some kind of depth and intelligence in our daily lives!!  Right??  What is the hidden message behind these so called famous faces acting so silly??  Is it because they get away with it or they just want to state that they could not care less how other see them and it is so irrelevant, anyway??

      The question of the day remains, “as a society, why do we buy into this image of a very shallow life style”??  We have to do some soul searching ourselves, when it comes to this fascination and obsession with “the rich
      and famous” acting oh so silly!! I truly believe, in life we get exactly what we ask for, nothing more and nothing less!!  Best regards to your editors.

    • Moxy says:

      12:33pm | 04/03/11

      So who are the stupid ones? Those who managed to escape and now everywhere” or those who “sit idly by waiting for everyone to wake up”?
      Or it is the media who ran out of stories?

    • danny donaldson says:

      09:18am | 11/03/11

      Can I nominate the 2 most gigantuan fakes and no nothings in this crazy world-

      Bullshitting Bob Geldorf
      And Next and even a bigger fake….....................................................
      That blowhard Bono- yeah the one with the idiotic sunnies!

      And they get to influence our kids! What hope is there for this nation.

    • Bill Parkment says:

      09:40am | 15/03/11

      Ironically, this editorial is guilty of what it claims to critique, and I’m surprised by all the people leaping gleefully on board. Calling people “stupid” is something we should avoid, no matter who they are referring to. It’s an ad hominem tactic used by people (mainly children, but sometimes adults) who are not up to the more challenging task of debating the genuine issues.

    • felixmeister says:

      02:03pm | 10/03/12

      “I mean, I know they’re there to stop stupid people running into the street and killing themselves! But we’re not all stupid! We don’t all need nurse-maiding. I mean, why not just have a Stupidity Tax? Just tax the stupid people! ” - Jennifer Saunders as Eddie

 

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