With detention facilities on Christmas Island getting closer and closer to capacity, and a Federal election looming, the issue of desperate people seeking asylum on Australian shores remains a hotbed of cheap political point-scoring at the expense of some of the world’s neediest people.

Asylum seekers board a boat to Christmas Island. Picture: Colin Murty.

Disappointingly, the term “queue jumper” is now so deeply entrenched in our nation’s vernacular that some Australian politicians use it interchangeably with the term “asylum seeker”.

Let me be clear and point out that two are not synonymous. In fact, the queue is a myth. 

In 1951, Australia became one of the first countries to sign the UN Refugee Convention. The Refugee Convention sets out the basic minimum standards for the treatment of refugees. By signing the convention, we signalled our commitment to uphold the fundamental right of people to flee persecution and seek asylum.

Under the convention, Australia has an international legal obligation to protect asylum seekers who arrive in our country with a genuine refugee claim. This is known as the onshore program.

Despite hysterical claims about our country being overrun by a flood of refugees, in truth only a few thousand asylum seekers arrive in Australia without visas each year, seeking our protection from persecution. The vast majority of the world’s refugee populations are taken in by poor countries.

While the numbers coming to Australia are small, Pakistan, for example, is now home to over 1.7 million Afghan refugees. In an effort to redress this huge global imbalance, Australia resettles a number of refugees out of refugee camps and vulnerable situations in countries like Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia, India, Syria, Iran and Thailand. This is known as the offshore program.

The resettlement of refugees through the offshore program is crucially important, and the right thing to do. However, it should be recognised that Australia does not have a legal obligation to operate this program. This ‘responsibility sharing’ or ‘burden sharing’ is something we do as a responsible member of the international community, to alleviate the disproportionate pressures placed on countries like Pakistan.

To be resettled in Australia under the offshore program you must either be referred by the UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) or sponsored by someone already living here. If the person sponsoring you is not a family member, or, increasingly, an immediate family member, your chances of success are negligible.

To be referred by UNHCR you must first be allowed to register with UNHCR, then UNHCR must be in a position to be able to refer you to a resettlement country. Last year 75 per cent of all refugees resettled internationally had fled from two countries, Burma and Iraq.

For most refugee populations around the world the opportunities for resettlement, and even registration, are slim, and the future is bleak.

A number of countries in our region refuse to allow UNHCR to even register refugees.

For example, for the last 15 years Bangladesh has refused to allow Burmese refugees to register. Pakistan is now so dangerous UNHCR has had to restrict its operations and Australia’s access has also been severely curtailed. For refugees in these countries and many others, there is no queue.

This does not mean resettlement is not important, and traditionally the offshore component of Australia’s Refugee Humanitarian Program has been one of the most positive and well-resourced refugee resettlement programs in the world. Australia has also consistently remained one of only three countries to offer significant resettlement places each year.

This generous contribution our country makes to international burden and responsibility sharing should be applauded, and is something of which we should all be proud.

But it does not replace our obligations to those who arrive on our shores, whether by boat or by plane, seeking our protection.

The origin of the notion of ‘queue jumping’, as Australians understand it in the current refugee debate, lies not in the fact that people living in refugee camps are more deserving of our protection, but in the fact that the previous Australian Government initiated a policy linking the onshore and offshore programs in a fixed quota system.

The linking of the two programs has had a number of very negative consequences. It has meant that an asylum seeker who is granted refugee status onshore is perceived as ‘taking’ a place from a humanitarian entrant offshore.

This policy has pitted refugee communities in Australia against each other and created a perception in the Australian community that one refugee group is more deserving than another.

Sadly, it has also fundamentally compromised Australia’s international reputation as a rights-respecting country which recognises that individuals have a fundamental right to flee persecution and seek asylum.

Much reporting by mainstream media outlets over recent years has also clearly demonstrated the lack of understanding of the difference between our international obligations to protect those recognised as refugees onshore (asylum seekers) and our contribution to international burden sharing.

The blurring of these two distinct programs has seriously undermined public understanding of both, and ultimately this has only served to undermine public confidence in Australia’s refugee programs more broadly.

Nobody wants to be a refugee, yet the thousands of Sri Lankans and Afghans currently facing severe human rights abuses have very little hope of finding sanctuary in their own countries. Nor will they find it in their neighbouring countries, which are not party to the Refugee Convention and have no obligation to provide protection.

As a result, men, women, children and families are forced to take desperate measures and risk their lives undertaking dangerous journeys to countries like Australia.

Put simply, there is nothing illegal about seeking asylum. It is a fundamental human right, and Australia has an obligation to protect people who can prove a valid refugee claim.

Gaining a visa to live in Australia as a refugee is by no means easy. All asylum seekers who are found to be refugees and allowed to remain in Australia must undergo a rigorous assessment procedure before being granted refugee status.

In order to prove their claims and qualify as a refugee under the Refugee Convention, these people must demonstrate that they cannot return to their home countries out of genuine fear of torture or death.

Around 90% of asylum seekers who manage to arrive in Australia by boat are ultimately found to be refugees. Despite the trauma they have endured and their overwhelmingly genuine nature of their claims, these people are vilified. The notion of the ‘queue jumping’ asylum seeker continues to be exploited by Australian politicians and still resonates with sections of the public.

De-linking the onshore and offshore humanitarian programs should now be considered a priority for the Australian Government.

The damage that is being done - firstly to Australia’s international reputation, and secondly to domestic support for refugee protection - by the blurring of these two distinct programs, serves no purpose but to undermine our nation’s commitment fundamental human rights principles.

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    • Eric says:

      06:17am | 24/02/10

      So after claiming there’s no queue, you then go on to describe the queue, which you call “the offshore component of Australia’s Refugee Humanitarian Program”.

      It’s still a queue by any other name. And the illegal immigrants who abuse international treaties by asylum-shopping their way to Australia are still queue-jumpers.

      It’s well past time that Australia renounced the outdated 1948 Refugee Convention. It has become nothing more than a resource for people-smugglers.

    • Bruce says:

      11:05am | 24/02/10

      Eric. Agree. Maybe we need to revisit the 1951 UN refugee convention and its definition and scope of what is a genuine refugee in todays environment.

    • Jane says:

      11:41am | 24/02/10

      I would also take issue with your statement:
      “cheap political point-scoring at the expense of some of the world’s neediest people”

      How many among your respondents can come up with mutiples of $5,000 - $10,000 in CASH to make such a trip?

      My question to you is, if those people can stump up the cash to get here why are they unable or unwilling to, within their own country move to a safer area and contribute towards ridding the country of the problems they are escaping.

      When you suggest “neediest people” you are stating it is those without the resources to fight back or ensure a safe future we should be supporting. Clearly people with the know how and financial resources to circumnavigate the law and the world are not, by any definition, needy.

    • Dingo says:

      09:51pm | 24/02/10

      Agree with Eric and Bruce. A document signed in 1951 to address the issues arising out of the 2nd world war is completely irrelevant today.

      The Europeans who migrated after the war came to start a new life and worked hard to fullfil their dream. There were no Nazis claiming refugee status in 1951. The Vietnamese who arrived in the 70’s and 80’s did the same thing. The North Vietnamese weren’t applying for refugee status like the South Vietnamese.

      This is the history of immigration that leads Australians to fallaciously think immigration will always be a good thing. That’s not true.

      Thanks to Malcolm Fraser, Australia accepted refugees on both sides of the conflict in the Lebanese Civil war and in his largesse, he allowed Syrian criminals into Australian. So much so that NSW requires a Middle Eastern Crime Squad to deal with the specific violence and crime they brought with them and passed on to their next generation.

      There is now a movement amongst radical Islamist to spread Islam and Sharia Law across the world. A small but significant percentage of the people attempting to get into Australia from the Middle East have no intention to work hard to provide a better life for themselves and their families. This is not a racial or cultural divide, it is a 200 year gap in civilization. This is part of the reason that migrants accepted from the Middle East should be properly vetted.

      It is time to change the law to say anyone who arrives by boat will not be granted residency. You can have temporary protection in a secure facility (with a golf course and spa if you like) until it becomes safe for you to return to your country of origin. However, you will not get a permanent Visa. You will also not get access to taxpayer funded lawyers who will drag out court proceedings for years despite the falsehoods of your claim and then argue you’re so hard done by because the process has taken so long that you’re eligible to stay.

      Oh, hang on - that was the law and the boats stopped arriving, then the Rudd Government decided appeasing the UN was more important than protecting Australians.

    • John says:

      09:30am | 25/02/10

      Well said Dingo, I think we to look at the 1951 UN refugee convention again. We can still take refugee but on our terms.
      Rudd’s appeasement is laying the groundwork for his next job with the UN.

    • Casey says:

      04:53pm | 25/02/10

      Eric, Suggest you re-read Graham’s article because you have completely missed the point. Or perhaps you should read more on the difference between the onshore and offshore programs (however, I believe Graham has described it very well).

      I spent a year in the refugee camps in Bangladesh. If the Rohingya (Burmese refugees) had the option of paying the little they could afford to board a boat to Australia rather than spend the 17+ years that many of them have in the squalid camps, there would be little hesitation.

      Perhaps a visit to a refugee camp or conflict zone would help you to understand the desperation of such situations Eric…

    • Samuel says:

      07:07am | 24/02/10

      Are you kidding? There is clearly a queue - and it applies to all countries. By definition it takes time to process people for resettlement. Australia’s international reputation is fantastic, we take proportionately more refugees than just about every other country on the planet.

      Stop trying to put down our wonderful country. That’s why so many people want to come and live here. You should be ashamed of yourself.

    • Sandra says:

      09:34am | 24/02/10

      Samuel, I think the point is that the idea of a ‘queue’ when we talk about refugees is just too simplistic.

      When there are about 15 million refugees recognised by the UNHCR and only 80,000 resettlement places, an orderly queue just doesn’t exist. Using the term “queue jumper” implies that asylum seekers are elbowing people out of the way at the supermarket checkout, when in reality, many refugees have almost no chance of ever registering with the UNHCR, much less being resettled.

      And, proportionately by population, we are way, way down the list of countries who accept refugees. Our ratio of refugee:citizen is about 1:1600.  There are at least 30 countries who are more generous than us, including:  Syria 1:11, Tanzania 1:125, Venezuela 1:132, Canada 1:459

    • im says:

      01:24pm | 24/02/10

      I really worry about our generosity in accepting people from certain cultures and their ability to fit with our society. Afghan refugees want the Imam of the Southport mosque to preach jihad! Yes these are people we have welcomed and fed and clothed. They also have taken down our flag on more than one occasion and torn it up. The Imam who is a good man who came here from Egypt is refused to bow to their bullying demands. I believe past due we removed ourselves from the UN convention and allowed in only people we deem fit and safe.

    • Sean says:

      07:34am | 24/02/10

      This is a brilliant piece which should be read out aloud on the streets of every significant town and city in the country. The myth of “The Queue” and “Queue Jumpers” has been allowed to persist for way too long and has put too many lives (which is to say, one or more) in jeopardy.

    • John A Neve says:

      07:51am | 24/02/10

      I found Graham’s article both interesting and informative. However, it raises a number of questions in my mind.

      “Australai has an obligation to protect people”, protect them from what?
      When Ma, Pa and the kids can board a plane and fly into this country, then walk of with their bags. What are we protecting them from?

      When people flee their homeland and cross two, three or four countries to get to Australia, are they really “asylum seekers” or just people trying to better themselves?

      Based on Graham’s comments I’d rather our money was put into the offshore program. They are in my view the most needy,

    • Phil says:

      09:13am | 24/02/10

      Once again we nearly agree entirely.

      You are right many of these asylum seakers are merely country shoppers, not genuine refugees.

      I personally would prefer to have a system whereby we state clearly to the UN that anyone who arrives here illegally will be deported to where they came from, however as a contra we will increase out intake from the offshore program by say 2,000 persons per annum. This would be a fairer system whereby regardless of money (much of much is gained via illegal methods) you have a change to be resettled in Australia.

      Similarly Visa Overstayers should be deported within 7 days of their Visa length being briefed at their own cost to again wherever they are citizens. They would also be disallowed reentry for a period of 10 years.

    • James says:

      11:24am | 24/02/10

      In other words Phil, you want our government to knowingly send people to their deaths, perhaps if they are unlucky, to be tortured first.  All in the name of preventing a couple of thousand people arriving here in boats.  Nice.

    • N says:

      12:04pm | 24/02/10

      Phil, John; good points. I too would support an intake system which returned asylum seekers to their country of origin after the crisis that brought them seeking asylum had subsided.  Love the term “country shoppers”, I’ve been struggling to think of something so aptly descriptive. I think if you pass through other safe countries on the way to seeking asylum here, your application is denied outright.

    • Phil says:

      12:06pm | 24/02/10

      James the boats basically stopped completely before the imposter PM changed the law. Regardless of whether you agree or disagree with Howards laws even rusted on labor voters I know say he stopped the boats.

      If I take your scenario and they were going to killed in their own land, what wimp of a man would leave his family in those conditions whereby they could perish and not send his wife and/or children first. I put it to you it is because in their culture the man is worth far more than the women.,...

      Many coming get these large amounts of cash to pay the people smugglers by selling/growing and distributing drugs. They think of nothing of the misery, killing etc that this will cause only of themselves. Are these really the type of citizen we want to bring to Australia?

      If it came down to the position where I could not feed my entire family I would go without. Not these people the men only matter to them, stuff the women and children.

      James would you and your fellow refugee advocates, like to sponsor some out of your own money to come and live in your homes?

    • James says:

      12:29pm | 24/02/10

      Ah - your last sentence clears that up for me nicely Phil.  You think people should be left to die because it might cost money.  Again, nice.

      More generally, your unsourced generalisations are essentially meaningless, emotive garbage.  Can you prove that many refugees are drug producers?  And how are you any different, if in the name of stopping a few boats you would happily send people back, thinking nothing of the death and destruction this would cause for their families?  Is that really the kind of citizen we want for Australia?  There is a big difference between committing such acts in the name of saving your life, and in the name of saving some money, as you advocate.  I know which is more ethically sound in my books.

    • Phil says:

      01:21pm | 24/02/10

      James your words not mine. I said I would increase the intake from offshore, thus many more than otherwise would perish in camps could come here. As these people would generally be happier they have a better chance of working hard to pay back the investment in them.

      Please explain how so many get $ 20,000, when they look down on their luck and on their last 50c. The countries from which they come are known drug growing regions. Given the average wage, it would take a life time to get the money from legal means.

      You have not answered my point of why do just them men go? Do you believe that they should travel first if they are fleeing from such a dangerous situation? Would you not sacrifice your own life for that of your wife and children? I know I would if necessary.
      When was the last boat load of women and children only intercepted.

      Do you believe that if you have money you are more entitled to come to Australia than if you do not have money? Should the same apply to say health care?

      If that was the case many successful migrants in the 60’s 70’s and 80’s would never have arrived and contributed to our country.

      I cannot believe you desire people to risk their lives and travel in a leaky boat to reach our shores.

      As for the money thing, their arrival and cost of looking after them till they are deported or accepted is paid by our taxes. It is not cheap. Those coming from camps overseas would simply by flown here at a much lesser cost, thus allowing us to bring more per dollar spent.

      Unfortunately socialists think the government is made of money, We are spending for more than we earn at present. The problem with the concept of socialism is that eventually someone elses money runs out.

      I simply said if you were asked for a 2% levy on your salary to fund these illegals would you happily pay it, or house them in your home for free.

      I work for a living and earn good money, so I am different. Are you saying that if it is a means to the end its ok. If so are you saying the Salvos should start selling smack as a way or raising money to continue their work.

    • James says:

      02:07pm | 24/02/10

      I am simply saying Phil, that it is not as simple as “boat people = bad; offshore asylum seekers = good”.  Not all refugees are poor, and the fact that one has money makes them no less in need of asylum.  If things were to go bad here, would you expect to be given asylum behind all those without money?  Or would you pay your way (with your good earnings) to asylum? 

      On the men and women thing, I am not qualified to comment.  The only boat people I actually know are women, one of whose husband was killed by the Taliban for shaving.  She came here by boat after sitting in a refugee camp in Iran for four years.  She had the option of spending her life savings (which her husband got for fighting the Soviets) to come here by boat, or sitting in the camp in Iran for who knows how long.  If she had been sent home, she would have been killed.

      Final thing: I am not a socialist.  I even voted for John Howard - twice.  And yet I believe that people have the right to seek asylum here, because like us they are people.  I do not desire that they should risk their lives to do so, but in the real world, people do.  It is better to accept that and deal with it, than to stick your head in the sand and pretend it will go away - if only you make sure enough go back where they came from, in 90 percent of cases to be tortured or killed.  As a political realist, I insist on dealing with reality as it is, not as I would like it to be.

    • Dodi Ansell says:

      05:03pm | 24/02/10

      John, people who cross two or three borders are trying to find a safe place to settle.  In the case of Afghanis and Sri Lankans, Indonesia, for example is not a safe place to settle as they do not subscribe to the Refugee convention, and are unlikely to provide safe haven for these people…Indeed they often incarcerate them for many years.  Certainly the people in the offshore program are needy, but not everyone can access these programs, and in many cases just waiting to be accepted can be fatal, as refugee camps are notoriously dangerous places especially for the weak and vulnerable.

    • Eric says:

      06:23pm | 24/02/10

      Dodi, in the case of Sri Lankan Tamils there’s a very safe place to settle, much closer than Australia. It’s called Tamil Nadu, and it’s right next door to their place of origin.

      The fact that they travel many thousands of miles through other countries to get to Australia is in itself proof that they are not genuine refugees.

    • Jane says:

      08:49am | 24/02/10

      Congratulations Graham - this is a wonderful article. Australia is a well off country and we should be doing more to help this that are the most vulnerable around the world.

      By signing the UN convention, Australia made a commitment to be a compassionate global citizen, but recent debates and cheap point scoring have soured our reputation. Seeking asylum is not illegal and we should not be treating it as such.

      A further point I would make is that issues over asylum seekers should not be tied up with border protection and terrorism. Terrorists do not travel by boats, they travel by plane on valid visas.

    • Razor says:

      01:36pm | 24/02/10

      ...apart from Tamil Tigers?????

    • Dingo says:

      09:04pm | 24/02/10

      Yes, terrorist do travel by boat . Four of the people on the Oceanic Viking fast tracked into Australia by the Rudd Government have being determined by ASIO to be a security threat - code for likely terrorist.

      I’m still waiting for Rudd to apologise to Wilson Tuckey for the slurs against him when Tuckey had the audacity to point out the likelihood of this happening under Rudd’s open invitation to get here by boat for a 90% chance of Australian residency.

    • di says:

      01:50am | 25/02/10

      Tamil Tigers have their own boats - like the one that was off shore near Canada…

    • Barb says:

      09:09am | 24/02/10

      Bravo, great piece - I only wish more people would read it, nd read it properly. 
      You see Eric and Samuel, you both completely missed the focus of the “queue” myth.  For want of repeating the article, refugees can only register to re-settle in countries where the Red Cross are allowed to operate ..... did you miss the section on Burma, or Pakistan which clearly states there is no Red Cross representation; where they aren’t allowed to operate safely, therefore no registration, no “queue”.  They are not the only countries where the UNHRC are banned from operating.  Most refugees/asylum seekers, and let’s get this straight that is what they are, not illegal immigrants - flee countries where this off-shore program does not and probably will not ever operate.

    • E says:

      03:45pm | 24/02/10

      but they flee through countries where it does, where they should be joining the queue

    • Tim says:

      09:11am | 24/02/10

      So you say there is no queue then go on to talk about what looks suspiciously like a queue.
      You claim there is no such thing as a queue jumper then go on to talk about how the onshore and offshore programs are linked thus meaning any refugee who lands on our shores will take the place of someone waiting in another country. Um what was your point again?

    • thatmosis says:

      09:20am | 24/02/10

      The fact that most ‘illegal” asylum seekers pay thousands of dollars to come to Australia, not as family units but as one off who hope to be given asylum so that they can then bring the rest of their families out to live on the largess of the Tax Payer irks me. If these are truely refugees then where did they get the money first of all and why not travel with the most important part of your life , your family. we are being played for suckers and the bleeding hearts should really take a good look at whats happening.

    • Matt says:

      11:37am | 24/02/10

      Refugee status has nothing to do with wealth.  Many refugees are poor but there is no reason why one cannot be a rich refugee.  To cite an obvious example many Jews fleeing Europe in the 1930s were both wealthy and persecuted.

    • Sandra says:

      03:07pm | 24/02/10

      Exactly Matt.

      The definition of a refugee is someone who fears persecution based on their religion, race, ethnicity, political opinion or social group.

      Obviously people who have money are still at risk of torture or death if, for example, they are the ‘wrong’ religion.

      And often, people who pay $8000 to come here by boat aren’t rich.  Instead, an extended family will sell everything they have in order to save a brother, cousin, aunty etc. Wouldn’t you do the same if someone you loved was at risk?

    • Dingo says:

      09:08pm | 24/02/10

      Part of the problem now is that both sides from a war-torn territory claim potential prosecution from each other. So Australia accepts both claims and the violence is simply moved here.

    • ~Bug Catcher~ says:

      09:26am | 24/02/10

      The picture at the top of this story says it all!

      All young men coming to Australia to do what may I ask?
      *Get a job?  What bloody job? Some of my friends can’t find jobs!
      *Live here at my expense?  Where? I have friends who are struggling just to rent a home let alone buy one. Now the RBA are talking more rate rises for those of us lucky enough to have a home.
      *Health care, what health care and which hospital? Join the queue!

      The illegal immigrants look smug like a bunch of tourists on a cruise ship with a passport to Brigadoon.!!
      A great land where everything is free! Yeah Right!!
      The minute they are picked up on that glorious cruise ship,AKA The Australian Navy,  they know they will NEVER be sent back to their place of origin.

      Good old Malcolm Fraser the Humanitarian, should take them all down to the Mornington Peninsular and “help them out”
      Or is it a case of NIMBY!!

    • Phil says:

      11:57am | 24/02/10

      Bug Catcher     You are on to something. None would like a refugee community set up in their own backyard. Those that do want the queue jumpers to get a free ride in Australia, please give your suburbs so the government knows where to resettle them all.

      Further I wonder just how many bleeding hearts on here actually have resettled geniune economic refugees into their homes, clothed and fed them as well as paid for their medical assistance.

      None thats how many. It is very easy to say that Australia is a rich country, but a more apt description would be was a rich country. That was until we were dumb enough as a nation to hand power to a bunch of second graders who blow money like it is being printed for free.

      Graham why would they not seek asylum in some of the countries that they pass through whos culture, religion and way of live mirrors their own far closer than that of Australia. Why not apply in Malaysia, Indonesia for permenant residency or a working visa for Australia, if our land is their ultimate destination.

      Those who pass through other countries are merely country shoppers.

      The current system only encourages people to risk their lives trying to reach our shores.

      I am all for increasing our genuine offshore numbers but I do not agree that those with money should have access to this great land over those who dont have money, just like those on social security have just as much right as a top tax bracket CEO to medical care.

    • tom says:

      01:06pm | 24/02/10

      Phil only countries signed up to the UN refugge convention are obliged to accept refugees…and Australia is basically the only one is South East Asia. Neither Malaysia or Indonesia have signed it, so refugees are not legally recognised.

    • Eric says:

      09:37am | 24/02/10

      Barb, if what you claim were true, then genuine refugees would only need to visit a nearby country where Red Cross stations exist. The fact that they instead choose to travel all the way to Australia shows them for what they are - unwanted invaders, not asylum seekers.

    • Submitter says:

      10:06am | 24/02/10

      Maybe it might be easier to be “smuggled” out than trying to cross a border with a neighbouring country. Every thought about that Eric?

    • Tim says:

      10:31am | 24/02/10

      Submitter,
      that’s just wrong.
      Most refugees pass through multiple neigbouring countries before they hop on a boat to come to Australia.
      Refugees can apply for asylum in Australia in any of these countries.

    • Submitter says:

      10:44am | 24/02/10

      Tim -My point to Eric is that borders are dangerous places and his thinking is a bit concrete on that one.

    • Alex says:

      11:15am | 24/02/10

      Tim,
      Not really. The most common countries people pass through before reaching Australia are places like Pakistan, Malaysia and Indonesia. None of these countries have signed the Refugee Convention and it is often very difficult to access the UNHCR (who organise any resettlement). A country like Malaysia, with an estimated 50,000 refugees, is incredibly dangerous for asylum seekers and often registration with the UNHCR doesn’t even prevent people from being detained and deported.

    • Tim says:

      02:24pm | 24/02/10

      Alex,
      the most common place the asylum seekers sail from is Indonesia.
      The UNHCR has a presence in Indonesia and it is possible to claim asylum at any time from there.
      It is illegal under international law for any country (signatory to the convention or not)  to deport an asylum seeker back to a country from which they may be persecuted.

    • Alex says:

      02:59pm | 24/02/10

      Tim,
      It is true that the UNHCR are in Indonesia but that are drastically under resourced, and barely have time to register people let alone refer them for resettlement.

      Refugees in Indonesia often wait for years to be resettled and in the mean time they are not allowed to work, study or send their kids to school. If you were in a situation like this, wouldn’t a boat ride to Australia seem like a logical option?

      I agree that in an ideal world people would be able to just go to the nearest UNHCR office, register and then be processed in an orderly “queue” like fashion. But things just don’t seem to work like that. If the Australian Government is really serious about implementing long-term solutions to this problem, it should at least offer to resettle more people out of Indonesia.

    • Tim says:

      04:32pm | 24/02/10

      I agree with you Alex.
      The government definitely needs to look at resettling more people out of Indonesia. I don’t want anyone travelling in these boats to Australia. Its far too dangerous.
      Overall the refugee problem is a tough one.
      Its impossible for every refugee to be successfully resettled and Australia can only do so much. I think the UN needs to step up and make some changes, i don’t like the fact that people have to sit in these camps for years.
      But this will cost money and lots of it.

    • Sadhbh says:

      09:45am | 24/02/10

      Thanks for this article, I can only echo Barb’s comment that I wish people would read it and absorb it as opposed to forming their ill-informed counter-comment after skimming.

    • R.E.L. says:

      10:08am | 24/02/10

      No queue?

      Why do some well-intentioned, highly educated people have to wait years to be granted visas because of the backlog of applicants, aka “the queue”?

      Yet people come here on rickety boats - perhaps they are fleeing for their lives - and are immediately granted the relevant papers?

      They should be told on arrival at Chrismas Island:
      “Thanks for considering Australia as a safe haven. Please fill out these forms and be interviewed. Then wait your turn while we process everyone else’s paperwork which we’ve had in our IN tray for the last 2 years and are still processing. Go have a cuppa and we’ll let you know when your papers are ready, in about 2014.”

    • bella starkey says:

      10:41am | 24/02/10

      I like what you’ve done here. It’s like you are so wrapped up in xenaphobic outrage not only do you not understand the concept that has been explained here, you don’t even understand the misunderstanding that the article is trying to debunk.

    • Xan says:

      10:43am | 24/02/10

      Are you really saying that we should be excluding people who are fleeing torture and death, in order to speed up the process for people who just want to come here for the jobs and the beaches?

      In any case, I hardly think that a few thousand boat people are really going to make much difference when about 200,000 people migrate permanently to Australia every year.

    • Dingo says:

      10:32pm | 24/02/10

      bella, do know the meaning of the word xenaphobic. I know it’s become really popular ever since a smart arse interviewer used it to embarrass Pauline Hanson, but I doubt many Australians could have given a definition prior to that interview.

      It actually means fear of foreigners. Nothing R.E.L. has said would indicate he/she has such a fear. The refugees in “the queue” that R.E.L. thinks should get priority over people paying criminals to arrive by boat are foreigners.

      What you seem to be incapable of comprehending is the ridiculous contradiction in this article. There is no misunderstanding on R.E.L.s part. People arriving by boat after passing through Indonesia have no legal or moral right to claim refugee status in Australia. However 90% are now successful in falsifying that claim thanks to the likes of the author of this article supported by people like you.

      As a result, people who have not been able to escape persecution are denied the opportunity to live in Aust because they’re not sufficiently in your face.

    • Gregory says:

      10:27am | 24/02/10

      By effectively letting these people in the country we are supporting the criminal activities of people smugglers and condemning hundreds of people to die at sea. The greater good would be to refuse these people entry, and then just go to the country in question and let a thousand of the skilled and english speaking workers into Australia. If you support these people coming to Australia by boat then you might as well say your for the deaths of hundreds of people at sea and the support of illegal people smugglers. Sometimes people dont understand the greater good in the situation. Sure we need to be kind and help out those less fortunate, but there are better ways to do things.

    • AdamC says:

      10:28am | 24/02/10

      Graham, most of the time I hear or see the term ‘queue jumper’, it is being used by an asylum seeker advocate. The ‘queue’ is a straw man built by the refugee industry so it can tear it down.

      I favour mandatory detention, which I assume you don’t – though your article doesn’t really talk about any substantive policy issues. I consider that the asylum process should be carefully managed, and minimised where possible, because, despite the high-horse rhetoric, it is essentially an informal migration channel. I don’t especially like informal migration channels. It has absolutely nothing to do with queues or those who jump them.

    • Robert King says:

      10:35am | 24/02/10

      Congratulations Dr Thom on a meticulously argued article in your area of expertise. Unfortunately, as many of these comments reveal, we have a long, long way to go to repair the damage done to both our national fabric and out international reputation, by the myopic, jingoistic, cynical imbeciles that directed the ‘debate’ they’d hi-jacked during their term in office. When former ‘Liberal’ Party President John Elliot can coin the term ‘illegal refugees’ on national television (Q & A) and not be called to account for it, I have to ask myself what sort of a country I live in and if I really want to continue living here. I feel a very real and deep sense of shame to be associated in any way with some of the people commenting here.

    • Tim says:

      11:05am | 24/02/10

      Don’t worry Robert the feeling is mutual.
      Self hating people like you disgust me.
      You just cant get over the fact that some people have different opinions to you.
      Why don’t you argue the point instead of denigrating others?

    • Randal says:

      12:22pm | 24/02/10

      One can only hope Robert that you answer ‘yes’ to your question and take your bile and insults to some undoubtedly more enlightened and far off shore.

    • Robert King says:

      12:42pm | 24/02/10

      @Tim,
      I’m glad I disgust you. What point would you have me argue? The case has been presented by a man in a position to present a case; a man with actual expertise in the field. What do you bring to the table? Your ‘opinions’? You’re entitled to your ‘opinions’ (for what they are worth); you are not entitled to your own facts. You seem to be the person who has difficulties with people having different ‘opinions’ to you; don’t assume that, because I don’t buy into your fabricated 19th century notions of nation and nationhood, etc that I am ‘self-hating’. I don’t hate myself; on the contrary, I hate cynical, myopic, jingoistic, racist imbeciles hi-jacking public debate. You have just amply illustrated my point, with your comment.

    • Cuppa says:

      01:26pm | 24/02/10

      Well said Tim, i couldnt agree more.I would say many would agree with you.

    • Robert King says:

      02:01pm | 24/02/10

      @Randal,
      Oh! I’m SO sorry, Randal… I’d forgotten how well mannered you ‘Liberals’ are… absolutely devoid of morals, or scruples, or ethics, with no ‘vision’ (outside of how the hell to win the next election) for over two decades now, but so impeccably well mannered. Don’t worry about international convention or common human decency, just whistle up the dogs of racism again… it did you the world of good, at the last federal poll… just make sure you do it ‘politely’. You don’t deal with the confronting truth of what little Johnny was ( and by implication you are) at all well, do you? Perhaps it challenges your delicate sensibilities.

    • Tim says:

      02:05pm | 24/02/10

      Robert this is a news website based on (Shock horror) comments and opinions.
      The author may have plenty of expertise in this area but to claim that a large proportion of his argument is not based on his own personal opinions and values would be silly. In fact his expertise may work against him because of the emotional aspect of dealing intimately with this issue.
      Emotional knee jerk reactions do not make for good public policy.
      I have done plenty of my own research in this field and can find plenty of holes in his argument. Others here have done the same. Apparently because we have different opinions to you that makes us ” cynical, myopic, jingoistic, racist imbeciles”.

      Australia can only accept a certain amount of refugees, this is a fact.
      I personally would rather have this amount come from among the people who cannot afford to pay people smugglers thousands of dollars to take them from indonesia (a country in which there is a definite queue) to Australia by boat. Delinking these programs would set up an open invitation to these people smugglers.
      What is your solution Robert? Should we stop trying to discourage asylum seekers from arriving by boat. A trip that can only be discribed as extremely dangerous.
      Should we just let them all in?
      Where does this leave the people languishing in those camps?

      Or does your argument simply come down to name calling?

    • Robert King says:

      02:26pm | 24/02/10

      @Tim;

      ‘The author may have plenty of expertise in this area but to claim that a large proportion of his argument is not based on his own personal opinions and values would be silly’ Where do I make that claim?
      ’In fact his expertise may work against him because of the emotional aspect of dealing intimately with this issue.’ Not if he’s a genuine academic.
      ‘Emotional knee jerk reactions do not make for good public policy.’ So stop making them and particularly stop trying to make them public policy.
      ‘I have done plenty of my own research in this field and can find plenty of holes in his argument. Others here have done the same.’ What are your academic credentials for conducting this research? Who were you supervised by?
      Apparently because we have different opinions to you that makes us ” cynical, myopic, jingoistic, racist imbeciles”. No, that would be the former ‘Liberal’ federal government.
      ‘Australia can only accept a certain amount of refugees, this is a fact’. Please quote source.
      ‘Delinking these programs would set up an open invitation to these people smugglers.’ Please elaborate on this process.
      ‘Should we stop trying to discourage asylum seekers from arriving by boat. A trip that can only be discribed as extremely dangerous’. I don’t conceded that we should ‘discourage’ asylum seekers, at all.

      ‘Should we just let them all in?’ Perhaps we should ask indigenous Australian their advice on the matter?

      ‘Where does this leave the people languishing in those camps?’ In the camps, presumably.
      ‘Or does your argument simply come down to name calling?’ “…cynical, myopic, jingoistic, racist imbeciles” is an accurate description of the Howard government and it’s policies; not ‘name calling’. Who’d have thought such a ‘hard’ man would be so sensitive?

    • Randal says:

      02:35pm | 24/02/10

      Sounds to me that it might be time for your medication Robert, seems that the old blood pressure may be about to pop, perhaps a permanent overseas holiday, come on you know you want to, I mean why would someone filled with such hatred for his country and his fellow Australian’s want to stay here so come on do us all favour and shove off.

      Cheers on the polite comment though, you are the first person to allege being well mannered as being an insult and I put that down to your fury, perhaps anger mangement classes might help you, we would hate for you to give us Aussies a bad name during your exile.

    • Robert King says:

      02:55pm | 24/02/10

      @Randal,

      Is that the best you’ve got? Really. No wonder the ‘Liberal’ party is in such disarray! What are you? A campaign manager? Why don’t you tell the good people what the historical roots of ‘nationalism’ are, Dr Goebbels?

    • Tim says:

      03:22pm | 24/02/10

      Thanks for providing me with your solutions to the current asylum seeker problems Robert.
      Oh wait a minute….....

    • Randal says:

      03:26pm | 24/02/10

      No not a member of either the ALP or the Liberals Robert, I am just something that you despise, a citizen with an opinion that is different to yours.

      Sorry Robert, it’s called democracy, the right to ‘freedom of expression without fear nor favour’, I am afraid that socialist ideal of yours to shut up dissenters with force just does not work in this nation - perhaps that’s why you hate it so much.

      I hear Venezuela is a nice place Robert and your man Chavez shares your delight in silencing critics and opponents and a general hatred for the West and I think you would fit in there just nicely.

      Hell, I will even pass the hat around for a one way fare for you, on the promise of course that you agree never to come back.

    • Robert King says:

      04:43pm | 24/02/10

      @Tim,

      Oh, I’m sorry Tim… you still think it’s a ‘problem’... must be an electionin the offing.

    • Robert King says:

      05:06pm | 24/02/10

      @Randal… well then who pays for you to post here all day? I know you are too upright to be doing it on your bosses time… that would be stealing…

      “I am afraid that socialist ideal of yours to shut up dissenters with force just does not work in this nation - perhaps that’s why you hate it so much”.
      It seemed to work quite well for eleven and a half years under the Australian Fast Bowler’s government… no one has suggested force (aside from you) and I think you’ll find ‘silencing dissent’ (aside form being the appropriate title of a book about the Australian Fast Bowler’s government) is actually a feature of all totalitarian regimes, regardless of the economic base, so there’s no reason to exclude your side from the practise they so obviously engaged in, for so long.
      I don’t despise you because you are “a citizen with an opinion that is different to yours (mine)”; I despise your because of your attempts to influence the voting behaviour of the apolitical, particularly in marginal seats, with your racist scaremongering.
      So… if I see straight through you (and who, aside from the apolitical, couldn’t) and therefore, don’t agree with you (who could?) I’m ‘Un-Australian”, is that right? Or is it ‘Un-Patriotic’? Do I exhibit insufficient ‘Anzac Spirit’ for your liking? Does this constitute ‘sedition’? Where should I insert the ‘Oi! Oi! Oi! bit? Just which aspects of our shared cultural heritage do you NOT claim as your exclusive property?

    • John says:

      09:11am | 25/02/10

      Robert King@ The social engineers have done a job on you. I am SO over self-haters and the guilt factory. Regarding our international reputation, what against the likes of Saudi Arabia, Burma, Iran, China, Japan, Russia, Indonesia and many more. I am yet to find this mystical country in the world that is above reproach. Rational debate please!

    • Tim says:

      09:14am | 25/02/10

      Good Robert,
      If there is no problem, then there is no further need for you to be commenting here. This article is a waste of time and you must be extremely happy with the government’s policies.
      And its funny that you think that everyone who disagrees with you must be some sort of Liberal stooge. Really shows your depth of thought on this issue.

    • Robert King says:

      07:40pm | 25/02/10

      @John;
      I’m sorry John… didn’t see you there… gee! You haven’t changed a bit since the last time I saw you; election day 1993. You remember? It was a hot, sunny Saturday.  I was handing out ‘how-to-votes’ at Putney Public School, wearing a Labor badge the size of a hubcap. You were doing an emergency round of all the Bennelong booths… too little, too late. You staggered over under an Akubra the size of a carport, with that idiot grin plastered on your pasty face. You robotically thrust out your dead-fish hand. Incredulously, I took it and shook gently; you felt boneless, delicate and somehow breakable all at once. I thought; this guy’s a complete idiot! Does he even know where he is?  Then you noticed the badge… you just had time to mutter something about; “it’s good to see young people involved in politics…” before your ‘minders’ formed a scrum around you and shuffled you off, out of ‘enemy’ territory. Three years later, you were prime minister. Twelve years after that the country breathed a collective sigh of relief, having narrowly avoided complete disaster with you and you American ‘mates’….

    • John says:

      10:35am | 26/02/10

      Robert King@ Mate, I’m not sure if you could have seen me, wearing those thick rose coloured glasses. But I think I would have noticed you in your Pollyanna outfit.

    • Carl Palmer says:

      10:40am | 24/02/10

      It looks like you are prepared to allow people smugglers in their dangerously rickety boats to make money with the lives of “onshore refugee”. I pretty sure that the task of bring them here would be delegated to someone else whist they stayed on terra firma preparing the next trip. 

      I think we need to review the outdated UN Refugee Convention policy in light of current practices. I doubt that 60 years down the track people smuggling or any other issue we face today reflects the challenges they faced in 1951. I’m sure the dynamics have changed.

      Personally, I’m all for doubling maybe even tripling our current combined offshore and onshore intake and working with the UNHCR, focus our efforts on those offshore countries that have been identified as really needing our assistance. That should rectify would go someway to “fixing” Australia’s international reputation.

    • barb says:

      10:51am | 24/02/10

      Eric, Eric, Eric - you hysterical fool.  I am sure if you were around in the 50’s and 60’s you would have also believed in the Red Peril from the north!  Have you ever been to a war torn country, seen what and who patrols the borders?  Its not like crossing from one country to another on a Contiki tour of Europe.  Do you not watch the TV news - even the commericla stations can’t hide the deplorable conditions these vulnerable people endure. Have you seen what a refugee camp looks like?  Maybe you should think about widening your sources of inforation on the subect with the intention of being better informed.  Maybe a week volunteer work with the Red Cross in Australian in their Refugee department is on the cards.

    • Anna C says:

      10:55am | 24/02/10

      Most of these so called “genuine refugees” come to Australia via Indonesia and a lot of them are muslims.  Why do they choose to come to Australia
      (a secular country)  rather than live in a muslim country?  It is because they know they will have a better standard of living in Australia.  I wouldn’t mind them coming so much as long as we didn’t have to support them on our welfare system.  Let them come to Australia but don’t give them Centrelink payments or public housing etc.  I am sick of Australia being taken as a sucker by these people.  Maybe all you bleeding hearts should put your money where you mouth is invite some of these “genuine refugees” home.

    • Ricky says:

      01:34pm | 24/02/10

      I agree anna.It makes me sick that our taxes go to these country shoppers when our own old age pensioners are struggling & our hospitals are a joke.I care about the aged Australians who built this country, not some illegal migrant who is interested in milking our weak welfare system.Its also interesting that all the people in the photo are male.

    • Xan says:

      05:19pm | 24/02/10

      But many aged Australians are refugees. This country is so diverse and has an impressive history of absorbing migrants and refugees, who in turn have contributed to the prosperity we enjoy today.

      And “country shoppers”??? I think you’d find that given the chance most people would choose to stay in the place they were born. Refugees are forced to flee because they are threatened with torture, arbitrary detention, or even death…We should be proud that Australia is one of the few countries in the world that is (usually) tolerant, peaceful and wealthy enough to attract people in that situation.

      Just go the UNHCR website look at the profiles of transit countries like Malaysia and Indonesia - these are not places that provide a long-term, durable option for refugees to re-start their lives. Refugees in these places are often locked up, and usually aren’t allowed to get a job or access health or education.

    • Randal says:

      11:41am | 24/02/10

      Graham,  what you have left out of your article is that the refugee’s who arrive by boat pay people smugglers large fee’s to hop across nations, who turned a blind eye to their presence, and then arrive by boat into Australian waters having departed from countries such as Indonesia and Malaysia.

      These people are not sailing directly from their troubled homeland, nor from the overcrowded refugee camps in Pakistan where those who cannot afford to pay the people smugglers are stuck in the most awful and squalid conditions for up to a decade and in many cases beyond this time frame.

      Instead those with financial means are the people who take the ‘fly and sail’ approach and whilst I do not blame them for using whatever means they have to end their misery, it is incumbent upon western nations to have in place adequate border protection policies to deter these arrivals at the expense of others.

      Under the previous government stricter treatment and lengthy delays upon arrival, with no guarantee of entry into Australia even if confirmed as a refugee had this effect and the rate of boats arriving slowed to a trickle, in fact more people have arrived in the past 12 months under the relaxed laws of the Rudd government than in the last six years of Howard’s ‘Pacific Solution’.

      You are also aware that for every boat arrival by those who have used financial means to arrive at their country of choice they take the place on Australia’s annual quota of refugees at the expense of those stranded in camps, effectively ‘queue jumping’ for want of a better expression.

      Your statement as such encourages the special treatment of those with ‘fiscal’ means to be granted asylum at their country of choice ahead of those less fortunate and I for one cannot see how this view can possibly be justified.

    • haggis says:

      01:06pm | 24/02/10

      E r r m m, could not the almighty United Nations take it upon themselves to stamp out the bastardry in the source countries that drives people to flee their homeland?
      Or does that kind of human rights abuse (persecution,  torture, death,  and appalling poverty in their own countries) not fall within the UN’s brief?
      If the blue berets were sent in, to sort out, a country at a time,  the psychopathic despots, military and religious fanatics and greedy corrupt politicians, would this stem the unbearably pathetic tsunami of fleeing humanity that seeks to live in peace?
      So much quicker and cleaner than all the talk and massive bureaucracy blundering hopelessly behind the tidal race of desperate humans. 
      It is high time the source countries were called to account.

    • James says:

      02:26pm | 24/02/10

      haggis,

      I for one would love to see that happen.  Thing is, are you willing to go to Somalia, Burma, or Sudan and fight, and perhaps die, so that you can prevent people seeking asylum?  Because at the end of the day, some one has to wear the blue helmet, and someone has to pay for the guns, tanks, uniforms, paycheques, helicopters, jets, aircraft carriers, logistics trains, and everything else involved in making war (even for peace).  What we have now is not a perfect solution, but it is a realistic solution.

      There is no guarantee that is is quicker and easier than “all the talk and massive bureaucracy” anyway.  I believe that what you describe is what we are attempting in Iraq and Afghanistan.  How quick and easy is that shaping up?

      While I admire your idealism, there is a real world out there - it is harsh, imperfect, and saddening, yes, but we must deal with it.  Burying our heads in the sand is no solution.

    • jack says:

      12:09pm | 24/02/10

      Graham, you have inadvertently explained why so many of the boat arrivals undertake this dangerous and expensive journey from Indonesia. You say that 90% of boat arrivals are found to be refugees, ie almost a guarantee of success.

      As you know the figure for other onshore applicants is around 30%. I am sure that increasing the odds of success so dramatically is driving many asylum seekers to take the risk and spend the money.

    • Alex says:

      12:35pm | 24/02/10

      Jack, I think you are looking at it backwards.

      It is not that you have a higher chance of being assessed as a refugee if you arrive by boat - mode of arrival doesn’t impact on the Immigration Department’s decision to grant refugee status. Australia has a fairly rigorous refugee determination system, which is applied to all people who claim asylum on or offshore. The fact that 90% of boat arrivals are declared to be refugees versus 30% of plane arrivals just means that nearly all people who come via the sea are genuine refugees…which kinda makes sense because who on earth would risk that voyage on a leaky boat unless they were really truly fleeing for their lives?

    • John says:

      12:24pm | 24/02/10

      Queue or no queue I think we need to look closer at the role of NGO’s in this debate who may actually seek to promote illegal arrivals. They have their own political agendas and since the early nineties some have been infested with a serious case of cultural relativism. Refugees are now a big industry for better or worse. The main problem is that NGOs shield themselves from accountability; they provide ways for unqualified and self-serving people to acquire money, influence, and power; and their income depends upon manipulating public opinion, which means garnering support from politicians, other bureaucracies, and the elite.

    • Badger says:

      12:43pm | 24/02/10

      Most of the Illegals are from Muslim Countries, so why are they wanting to come to my Country that is not a Muslim country to settle having passed through the largest Muslim country to get here, why oh why??
        Because they are country shoppers, & know that they will be able to get into Australia in the end, even if it is VIA New Zeeland, where you are not required to have visa to come to Australia.
        These people are very cunning, & are playing us into a cocked hat, they have lived on their Cunning all their lives, and can’t tell the truth at all times.
      Go home and sort your own problems out don’t bring them with you to MY COUNTRY.

    • Cuppa says:

      02:02pm | 24/02/10

      Well said Badger.And they are bringing their problems to MY COUNTRY. Many have the same tribal mentality that they claim to be fleeing, & have no respect for the Australian way of life.Every tax dollar that is spent on them is one more tax dollar that doesnt go to Australians in need.We should be helping our own first…

    • iansand says:

      02:17pm | 24/02/10

      Indonesia is not a signatory to the refugee conventions.  Refugees have no legal right to stay there, whereas theuy have the right to stay here.

      There is a reasonable argument that pressure should be applied to Indonesia to accede to the refugee conventions.

    • Bryndal says:

      02:54pm | 24/02/10

      ‘These people’ ‘They have lived cunning all their lives’ ‘cant tell the truth’ ‘My Country’. All of these terms are the chant of the ignorant xenophobe.

      These are people not things – as with all people some are cunning some are not – some lie some don’t – as to it being your country – I think there are few million Australians from a wide range of backgrounds (socioeconomic & ethnic) that would disagree with you. It is democracy and not ‘yours’.

      It is this ignorance and vilification which fuels the hate toward fellow humans that allows for violence and discrimination in our community.

      We are part of the world – we cant put a fence around Australia (as much as you would like to keep it ‘your country’)  build a bridge & get over it!

    • Eric says:

      12:59pm | 24/02/10

      Barb, Barb, Barb - you namecalling ignoramus.

      First of all, TV news is not a treliable source of information.

      Secondly, boat invaders rarely travel directly from their countries of origin. In other words, they have already escaped their situation before they ever board a boat.

      Your arguments, like those of most invader advocates, are based on an inability to think rationally about an emotive issue.

    • James says:

      01:08pm | 24/02/10

      “Invaders”?  Can the histrionics, Eric.  Such quick resort to hyperbole makes me wonder if you can think rationally about an issue which, in fact, is not emotive at all.

      Let me ask you this: was the first fleet invading, or settling?

    • Eric says:

      03:07pm | 24/02/10

      “Invaders” is an accurate term, since they are neither illegal nor refugees.

      As for the First Fleet, the fate of the Aborigines is a perfect example of the consequences of uncontrolled arrival of boat people. That is what we all face if the loony open borders brigade gets its way.

    • James says:

      05:02pm | 24/02/10

      A good response Eric.  Until that, I had you pegged differently.  On invaders though, 90 percent are found to be genuine refugees.  So for the vast majority, refugees is the best term.  The leftovers - invaders as you term them - are sent home.  So, really, there is no problem, is there?

    • zoe says:

      01:31pm | 24/02/10

      I’m just curious as to why most of the pictures I see of asylum seekers on these boats seem to be men?

    • James says:

      02:29pm | 24/02/10

      I’m curious as to why tabloid media photos are considered to be representative of our refugee intake.

    • Alex says:

      02:34pm | 24/02/10

      There are a few reasons for that.

      Firstly, in places such as Sri Lanka and Afghanistan (where most boat arrivals come from), young boys are often most at risk of persecution. They are often caught between militia groups like the Taliban who want to recruit them, and the Government security forces, who expect all young boys of certain ethnicities of belonging to those militia.

      Secondly, families often pool all their resources to send their young men to seek asylum. This is because the journey is usually very long, and very dangerous, so it is not practical for women, children and the elderly to attempt it. The idea is that the young men try and reach safety, and then help their sisters, wives and children to join them.

    • zoe says:

      03:35pm | 24/02/10

      Thanks Alex,

      James I didn’t believe that these photos represent refugees, it does seem that there is more men that seem to arrive on the boats and Alex has given an explanation as to why.

    • fred says:

      03:47pm | 24/02/10

      Because
      most are Hazara Afghans; recently Tamils are also coming by boat
      the journey is known to be dangerous; thousands have drowned
      women/ girls do not have freedom of movement ; remember the burka
      families are often large and poor (no contraception)
      escaping costs money, which is limited
      most borrow money to flee - enough for one
      many are young -under 30
      some are older, returnees from Nauru who had to flee again
      some are boys under 18 - sent by family fearful of their capture by the Taliban
      l

    • Sam says:

      01:37pm | 24/02/10

      Yes, it’s obviously election year. First of all, great article Graham, you’re right, there is no “queue”. It’s just that many people think that a processing period implies that there must be a queue that is being processed on a first come first served basis. This assumption is borne out of another assumption, that there is nothing but processing between the time of application and the time of either approval or rejection thereof. The fact is, if the Swedish government can process my family’s asylum application in 3 weeks back in 1988, there’s no reason on earth why the Australian government needs 2, 4, or 8 years to do “background security checks”. It’s so obvious that there is a *huge* amount of delay being intentionally implanted into the “application processing” process. Why? to delay the flood off-course. Thankfully Australia isn’t cruel enough to reject most refugees, but neither is Australia kind enough (or silly enough) to be the safe haven to everyone at once.

      Personally, I think the whole idea of international borders is an infringement of my human rights, but then again I’m not stupid enough to believe that I have any rights whatsoever other than those privileges afforded to me by my government.

      If we can stop lying to ourselves with this “human rights” nonsense, we’ll see the picture a lot more clearly. Australia has the right to accept or reject anyone at any time, whether they are a genuine refugee or the Queen of England. Anything else is purely out of kindness and a sense of obligation to the international community.

      In any case, I’ll be voting for Rudd until Abbot can say Ni Hao. Change for the sake of change is not best for Australia or for me.

    • Nicki says:

      01:40pm | 24/02/10

      The “queue” is Liberal Coalition invention to confuse even more naive voters. Any person who has upstairs light on knows that.

    • E says:

      03:29pm | 24/02/10

      pfft there is an onshore and offshore system.

      The boat arrivals are circumventing the onshore system.

      Unless you can prove to me that the countries the boat arrivals come from have zero people inside the onshore system, I claim that they are rorting.

      Also they are required to ask for asylum in the first port they arrive in after fleeing their country, they dont get to pick and choose.

    • Razor says:

      01:41pm | 24/02/10

      Australia should withdraw from the UN Refugee Convention.  That would stop illegal entrants risking their lives on leaky boats.

      Note that doesn’t mean we should stop taking refugees.  We can run a fine refugee resettlement program without being a signatory to the convention.

      The fact that refugees can pass through a number of safe countries before getting to us where we are obliged to accept them, unlike the countries they pass through, is a ridiculous situation.

    • jo says:

      03:04pm | 24/02/10

      If you cared about the lives of the “illegal entrants” you would probably not come up with the brilliant idea of Australia withdrawing from the UN Refugee Convention. The fact that you suggest that the resettlement program should be the only one ran by the government is pretty much like saying “offshore refugees: good people; inshore: bad people”. Why such a dichotomy?

      You seem not to realise that the 1951 Convention and the resettlement program are different things with the exact same purpose.

      On the other hand…“safe countries”?! Which countries on the way between Sri Lanka and Australia are you labelling as “safe”? Or between Indonesia and Australia?

      Besides, Australia is only obliged to process the asylum seekers, not to accept them. If Australia considers that they are not genuine refugees, they get eventually deported. And this happens more often than you probably think.

    • Razor says:

      04:52pm | 24/02/10

      jo asks “Which countries on the way between Sri Lanka and Australia are you labelling as “safe”? Or between Indonesia and Australia?”

      Well lets start with India which has a State called Tamil Nidu, because millions of Tamils live there.  Then we have Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore and Indonesia - none of which I call unsafe and are all favourite holiday destinations for Australians, so they can’t be too bad.  Then add East Timor and Papua New Guinea, neither of which are glowing examples of western capitalist democracies but aren’t intent on killing Tamils.

      Support for the acceptance of boat arrivals encourages the evil process of people smuggling.  It also limits our national perogative to screen refugees offshore.

      No, I do realise they are differnet and that is exactly why we should withdraw from the failed 1951 Refugee convention.  That convention was established following WWII in light of what happened in the Holocaust.  Since then it has failed to prevent genocide in Cambodia, Rwanda, Darfur, Bosnia and Kosovo.  It is a joke perpetuated by soft-hearted dogooders and non-developed nations on the developed world.

      Your turn.

    • iansand says:

      05:06pm | 24/02/10

      Are any of those countries signatories to the UN Refugee Convention?  Genuine question.  I don’t know.  If not, on what basis can a refugee assert a right to stay?

    • Eric says:

      06:41pm | 24/02/10

      Gee, iansand, I guess they must all be bigoted racist xenophobes then!

    • Razor says:

      08:55pm | 24/02/10

      Remember Eric - according to the moral relativists, we are not better than them.

    • jo says:

      04:41pm | 25/02/10

      Oh wow! Hold on, why didn’t we think about this before? Holiday spots! Let’s send the asylum seekers to the idilic and safe places you mention: Indonesia, Papua New Guinea (let’s ignore the fact that we are actually taking refugees from such countries)…If I can spend a week in a resort there, why wouldn’t they? Oh, hold one, maybe because they are dying in the detention centres in Indonesia.

      To put into practise your stellar idea we’d have to pretend such countries that have actually signed the convention put it into practise. However, virtually all countries from Sri Lanka to Australia, signing or not, are not resettling people. For example, PNG is not only not resettleling refugees but sending them overseas, running out of the violence in the country.

      Razor, try to be coherent. To start with, the example of India you are giving…India is not even a signatory of the 1951 Convention. Therefore, if you were seeking protection in India because you have a fear of prosecution you would be treated in India as ‘illegal entrant”.

      It is important that you realise something else. You seem not to be aware of the fact that the 1951 Convention’s ultimate goal is not to “prevent” conflicts. For this, there are other tools in the international system (unfortunately, not very effective). What the 1951 does is protecting the displaced people of these conflicts, when they occur, if they do. In other words, once the damage is done it provides people that are escaping a conflict with a way to start a new life somewhere else. Generous countries such as Australia do this quite well, but other countries not as lucky in terms of wealth are doing the same thing (for example, Afghan refugees in Pakistan).

    • Arthur Baker says:

      02:15pm | 24/02/10

      Apart from the obvious impracticality of someone sitting down and entering 40 million names in a nice neat database, and regularly updating an orderly worldwide ranking list of neediness, there’s a more fundamental problem with the use of the word “queue” in this discussion - the so-called “queue” of refugees has virtually none of what most Australians would regard as essential features of a queue they were willing to join. The word simply doesn’t mean the same to an Australian as it does in the refugee context.

      Queueing for a beer at the cricket, a meal at your local RSL, a lunchtime sandwich in the corner deli, or a bus to work, you’d expect (a) to be able to find the queue (b) that no-one would try to kill you while you wait (c) that you won’t have to bribe the person behind the bar or counter, and (most critically) (d) that you will make progress towards the head of the queue and eventually get served.

      None of those expectations apply in the badlands of refugee world. You can spend 10 years in what westerners laughably call a “queue” and be no further forward in your quest to resume your life in safety. Can I suggest most Australians wouldn’t last more than a week in such a queue before being spurred to take an alternative course of action? And if that meant pooling an extended family’s entire resources (bear in mind many refugees have either sold everything they own, or frequently had to simply walk away from houses, businesses, jobs without recompense) to send the family member most likely to survive on a difficult and dangerous sea-voyage, wouldn’t the average Australian do just that? You’d be failing in your responsibilities to your family’s future if you did otherwise.

      Enough of the “queue-jumper” slur. Those whose comments have included this insult, invented by politicians for the basest of motives, try to put yourselves in their shoes. Always assuming, of course, that you can imagine a life outside your comfortable, secure, air-conditioned, superannuated cocoon called western society.

    • E says:

      03:33pm | 24/02/10

      “Can I suggest most Australians wouldn’t last more than a week in such a queue before being spurred to take an alternative course of action?”

      Fair enough, so you concede that there is a queue, but that they are willing to jump it?

      I respect their motives, sympathise with their plight,  but I dont think we should encourage people to risk their lives on boats they intend to sabotage the second the coast guard shows up.

      Perhaps we should take all boat arrivals and fly them back the the nearest UNHCR onshore centre for processing rather than keeping them a Christmas Islan?

    • Katie says:

      02:53pm | 24/02/10

      I’ve never read such a depressing group of comments in my life. Graham, I really appreciated your article - it was good to read about this issue without the usual rhetoric. I just wish I’d stopped reading there.

    • Andre says:

      03:02pm | 24/02/10

      Amen to that

    • Ben says:

      06:23pm | 24/02/10

      Too bad this article doesn’t reflect the real world and you had to read something you didn’t want to, Katie.

    • E says:

      03:17pm | 24/02/10

      Blah blah, only read half of it… but I have a question for Graham…

      If there is no queue, are you saying that there are zero Burmese, Afghan or Iraqi asylum seekers in the onshore program?
      If there are any, how did they get there, considering your statement that the onshore program (the queue) is innaccessible to these people?

      I think your argument looks pretty foolish at that point. The illegal arrivals also contradict the refugee laws becasue Australia isnt their first port of call, which is where they are required to apply for asylum.

      They are making the stays in UNHCR camps longer for people who play by the rules, they are jumping the queue and breaking the law by entering Australia illegally and by not applying for asylum at their first port of call after leaving their home country.

    • fred says:

      03:31pm | 24/02/10

      Thanks for a good article, Graham
      I hope it substitutes fact for myth, though bigots’ minds are usually closed.

      Some writers (68 above) don’t understand that seeking asylum - whether on a plane or a leaky fishing boat is a PROCESS which may or may not result in confirmation that the person has a well founded fear of persecution and needs protection.

      Australia’s off shore selection of UNHCR confirmed refugees strikes me as really being a selective migration program, although for humanitarian and not economic reasons. Mind you, refugees are renowned for taking menial jobs others won’t and fill a real niche in the labour force. Yes, at the bottom.

      What Australia seems to lack is a clearly defined policy on asylum seekers -translating into domestic policy what being a signatory to the UN Refugee Convention actually means for us, when desperate folk try to cross our borders to seek protection from whatever drove them away from hearth and home and beloved family. Given his declared position, I think Tony Abbott should commit to withdrawing Australia from the UN Refugee Convention.

      Today our Government announced more power for ASIO and millions of dollars to catch and punish criminal entrepreneurs who exploit desperate asylum seekers. I am waiting for the political balancing act - help for the victims - the asylum seekers.

      The few thousand asylum seekers Graham speaks about are no threat to national seccurity when our processing system checks their claims properly. Mind you, the alleged Tamil Tigers who were recently deported did not have the legal right to contest ASIO’s findings in a court of law, and we are left wondering who dobbed them in, and what was the level of proof that they were a danger to you and me.

      It saddens me that Australia’s action to stop people crossing our northern border overwhelms and swamps our action to tackle the reasons behind the outflow of Hazara and Tamil asylum seekers from countries where they were born , and does not resolve the tragic practical situatuion faced by UNHCR and Malaysia which have fully assessed “genuine” refugees waiting to be resettled.  We can’t leave those refugee victims of war and persecution in the limbo of jail and detention in countries where they are illegal and where only international disaproval stops them from being returned to the country of their persecution.
      C’Mon Aussie , C’Mon - do the right and humane thing!

    • H of SA says:

      03:42pm | 24/02/10

      Q: When is Racism acceptable?

      A from most Australians: Never

      A from Liberal Party of Australia: When its an election year

    • Robert King says:

      03:51pm | 24/02/10

      To ‘Tim’, ‘Randal’, ‘Cuppa’ et al;
      I don’t need the likes of you to tell me what my experience of being Australian ‘should’ be. I’m not interested in your conceptions of what ‘Australia’ or ‘Australian’ mean, just as I wasn’t interested in Australian Fast Bowler Howard’s conception of ‘Australian’ and ‘Un-Australian’. I don’t accept jingoistic nationalists assumption of the ‘right’ to exclude me from their ‘community’ (Volksgemeinschaft is more accurate) because I don’t share their worldview. It’s a quarter to 4 in the afternoon and only 71 people have responded to this article. Most of the comments that have been posted are from rightwing fruitcakes like you lot. Do you ever get the feeling you’re losing your audience? If you knew anything of psychology you’d understand exactly what you have revealed about yourselves here today, but I suspect you don’t actually know much, about anything. The only difference between me and the people on those boats is attributable to the accidents of birth. The only difference between you lot and the sturmabteilungen is… the language spoken.

    • Randal says:

      04:18pm | 24/02/10

      Robert the major difference between you and me is your complete and absolute inability to present a rational argument.

      Although I must admit it has been fun taunting you.

      Tell me though Robert, why are the left so angry all the time, I mean you have an ALP government nationally, and in all States bar WA, I mean surely you should be wandering in some left wing utopian haze… yet you persist with venom and vile rants?

      What is it that upsets you so, is it that you cannot force your views of the world upon all us, go one Mr. psychology be honest, it will be a liberating experience for you.

    • Robert King says:

      05:20pm | 24/02/10

      @Randal,

      that’s it, just keep attributing to me (your ‘enemy’) that which you can’t accept about yourself. Accuse me of doing exactly what you are doing yourself. Who knows? Maybe a lot of apolitical people, in marginal seats, might be influenced by your ‘arguements’... I don’t think they really read ‘The Punch’ though… perhaps you should rethink that part of your ‘strategy’. I don’t think anyone here much cares what you ‘think’.

    • Robert King says:

      06:15pm | 24/02/10

      @Randal;

      “...yet you persist with venom and vile rants?’ Oh, really? I originally posted a congratulation to the author of the article, an expert in the field. I have been subjected to vitriolic abuse by foaming-a-the-mouth ‘patriots’ all day; I must ‘hate’ this country, if I don’t agree with the jingoistic nationalisic sentiments of other ‘posters’ etc, etc, etc,... yawn… And collectively you’ve tried a couple of times to get me to engage with your ‘arguement’. I won’t engage with your ‘arguement’ for exactly the same reason genuine historians don’t ‘engage’ with David Irving; holocaust denial isn’t ‘bad’ history; it isn’t history at all. I won’t ‘engage’ with your ‘arguement’ because; you don’t have one. I won’t legitamise your ‘vile rants’ with any reply or counter-arguement at all; here or anywhere else, because, as you’ve amply proven here today, your premise is based on your own twisted hatreds and nothng else, at all.

    • Cuppa says:

      06:52pm | 24/02/10

      Well said Randell.People like Robert King get all red in the face when others dont agree with their bleeding heart views.Thats why he is so fun to taunt.Personally i couldnt care less about your vitriolic views Robert.You dont speak for me or mine, & there are a great many Australians who dont fit your p*ssweak mold of what it means to be Australian.Hows that make you feel Robert?(take a deep breath now)...

    • Robert King says:

      08:14pm | 24/02/10

      @Cuppa;

      How does what make me feel? Your unintelligible gibberish? Your totally transparent, totally derivative, totally failed attempt to present my argument as your own?  What has what I ‘feel’ got to do with anything? ‘Pissweak’ is spelling pissweak, ‘p*ssweak’... gee! I sure hope I didn’t offend anyone… I don’t claim to speak for ‘you’ or ‘yours’ (the womenfolk, I assume); I just don’t want intellectual neanderthals like you exerting undue influence in the debate about anything in this country, any further. I don’t have a ‘mold of what it means to be Australian’; I have my experience of it and you and the Australian Fast Bowler John Howard have absolutely nothing to do with it. You had eleven and a half years of a federal government that directly represented your myopic, backward ‘vision’; the general public consigned them and your glorious fuehr… I’m sorry, ‘leader’ to the dustbin of history in November 2007, you remember? When little Johnny lost the lot, seat and all?  People like you seem to be having a great deal of difficulty coming to terms with that. People here can see through your attempts to hi-jack public debate for what they are. I’ve just been reeling out enough rope for you to expose what lies at the heart of your spurious ‘argument’?

    • H of SA says:

      04:43pm | 24/02/10

      Rober King, though I don’t necessarily agree with your style of presenting it I agree with most of your sentiments.

      The point about the difference between you and the boat arrivals is poignant.
      This is what I find so upsetting, what makes my blood boil in this whole situation.

      You can come up with arguments cultural, economic ect. However the justifications of being anti-asylum seekers do not change this one fact.

      Human beings. Fellow human beings, have shown up and asked for our help and people want to deny them.

      Never ever let the anti-refugee crowd trick you into thinking they are afraid of asylum seekers because they are too different.

      They are afraid because they are too similar.

      If we have to look at them, we have to acknowledge their humanity. And it make it so much harder to let someone down when you have to acknowledge your shared humanity.

    • Robert King says:

      05:12pm | 24/02/10

      Thank you ‘H’,

      You are quite right; I should at times be ashamed of myself for stooping to their level and adopting their own tactics. However, if someone doesn’t get down in the gutter with them they may rise up again and I (for one) don’ t want another decade plus of having what my experience of being Australian ‘should’ be dictated to me be the (increasingly frantic) right.

    • Tim says:

      09:23am | 25/02/10

      A point of order Robert,
      you didn’t have to get down in the gutter with anyone. From your first post you started in the sewer.
      And now as you have freely admitted, you have no interest in having a debate on this issue, i shall let you return there.

    • Robert King says:

      05:12pm | 25/02/10

      @Tim;

      ...the member for Lower Bavaria will resume his seat; there is no point of order.

    • Mikk says:

      05:44pm | 24/02/10

      I have never been so disgusted in my fellow Australians than over this refugee issue.
      Has it ever occurred to any of you that the problem is not a few thousand people in boats or even those in “the queue” but the fact that their countries are so f@%$d up that they have no option but to leave. Ruled over by violent, despotic regimes while we stand by and do nothing or even worse actively invade and wage wars in their countries.  Think how you would feel if you had been unlucky enough to be born in Iraq or Afghanistan or as a Tamil. How can people spout such intolerance and lack of compassion while all the while ignoring the basic underlying reality.  Refugees dont choose a life of homelessnes and separation they are forced into it. Many times thanks to acts or policies taken by our governments. With our support and acquiescence.
      Shame Australia shame

      As for the article everybody missed completely the differences in what is the offshore and onshore programs. The onshore program is mandatory and we signed agreements to that effect. The offshore program is optional and we dont actually have to accept a single refugee from any UNHCR registered camp/office.
      We do so because we are (supposedly) nice people who see it as the right thing to do and help share the refugee burden fairly amongst the countries that accept them. What is so hard to understand? Are you all thick? If you want to stop reffoes coming here then why dont you start with the “optional’ ones that we take in? Or are you the dogs they are whistling at?

    • Eric says:

      08:10pm | 24/02/10

      So you hate Australia and Australians. You’re welcome to leave any time, Mikk.

    • It is a joke - Angela Lloyd says:

      06:59pm | 24/02/10

      I’m with you on that Eric.

      I can not agree more.  What is this on-shore, off-shore component Program.  It may have been the case of the WW2 recovering and displaced peoples program but gosh that time has long been gone.  It is over and out.  As you clearly have shown us the date being 1948.  I wasn’t even born then.
      I recall the times when the immigration department had announced to the people of the inner city, namely China Town that they were coming through to check if there were any illegal immigrates.  Well you could have fired a cannon down those little streets, there was hardly no-one in sight.  Those who found their way into Australia be illegal methods shot-through and run for cover elsewhere only to come back when the coast was clear.  I used to laugh.  It was business back to normal.

      There has been a many of great discussion about the ‘boat people’ in which our government has clearly pointed out that the numbers are but a very few.  It has confessed a much larger number of illegal immigrates that pass through our borders and come by air and fly in by plane.  This is a fact the government has stated on many occasion.  This brings me to the point as to what is Graham Thom message all about.  Is he trying to say that asylum-shopping is O.K because that is what his message appears to be.  Just shopping and we will allow it.  It is a joke in my eyes

    • The Bastard of Canberra says:

      08:34pm | 24/02/10

      “Around 90% of asylum seekers who manage to arrive in Australia by boat are ultimately found to be refugees.”

      Indeed this is quite true. I know. I approved many myself. They are found to be refugees by virtue of one of the finest Western legal principles:  the benefit of the doubt.  While the law says the onus of proof in a refugee status application is on the applicant, this has in practice evolved into applicants challenging the Australian Government to disprove their stories. As very few stories from remote war zones can be conclusively and individually disproved, the storytellers get the benefit of the doubt, and the refugee status. The net result is that, for many years now, every person getting on a slow boat (or a fast plane) to Australia with an intention to claim asylum here, has a prepared story that effectively distills the combined wisdom of previously successful applicants. It has to be moving enough to engage the 1951 Convention protection obligations, but at the same time vague enough to be uncheckable. Uncheckable does not necessarily mean untrue. What it means, however, is that in practice we operate a touch-the-base system. Anyone who has arrived in Australia and has enough smarts to stick to the set script , is effectively assured of permanent residence. There exists one rarest exception, for those unlucky enough to be recorded somewhere as terrorism suspects. Even they, however, will not go short of advocates willing to portray the Tamil Tigers (original inventors of suicide bombing, killers of two presidents, enthusiastic recruiters of child soldiers and extortionists of money from the global Tamil diaspora) as noble freedom fighters. In most cases, however, all that an applicant has to do to is to patiently repeat “They want to kill me”  and answer all question of “Who are “they”, and why do they want to kill you?” with “I do not know, but they want to kill me”.  Before I get tarred and feathered by the class warriors, and called a denier or worse : - no, I do not know either what is the just solution to this.

    • Tim says:

      09:29am | 25/02/10

      Exactly right Bastard.
      There is more to this issue than some here would have you believe. So quick to dismiss and denigrate their fellow countrymen and not willing to actually assess or debate the issues.
      There is no easy solution to this problem.

    • Your name:Noemie says:

      02:50pm | 03/03/10

      I can’t understand while in having been in contact with these individuals and families you can be so influenced by rumors. You talk about the “benefit of the doubt” rule for all asylum seekers coming. i do not think any body who has nothing to fear for his safety in his country would take the risk of coming on leaking boats while they do not know how to swim.
      i work with these individuals. Their story appear stereotyped if do don’t actually try to understand them in their individual sufferings. They come from the same countries, so abuses are similar but the effects on their life and losses are not.

    • 6clegs says:

      01:03am | 25/02/10

      I’ve got nuthin to add to this so called ‘‘debate’’ (more like just another ‘fun day out in Vileland’ for all the “Proper Australians”, who BTW, ‘of course’ “are not racist!”) *reaches-for-sickbag*

      I just wanted to support “Robert King”. Mate, you said it all, and said it so much more politely than I could be bothered! (it’s not like this hasn’t all be explained before)

      And to the author -  thank you for trying - but me thinks that some of the contributors just don’t feel like the day is a good one unless they’ve had a gud-ol-boyz racist rant…they make me nauseous.
      The author presents the facts, and then along come the parrots fan club to contribute their appalling lack/knowledge of reading comprehension.

      ...cue offer of one way ticket to somewhere - along with the usual boring insults these “Proper Australians” trot - no, gallop out!
      (are these the same trolls/sick souls that hack into the sad “Tribute” facebook sites - get banned from there, so hang out here to post - ‘their love of mankind’ ???? probably ... )

    • Robert King says:

      05:09pm | 25/02/10

      Why thank you, 6clegs. I’m humbled by your recognition. The credit is entirely Dr. Thom’s though; I just spent, (I almost said ‘wasted’, but the time wasn’t really wasted, was it?) all day yesterday defending myself for congratulating Dr. Thom. The ‘hi-jack-the-debate’ brigade are alive and (physically) well, it would seem. If we all just stand around, hoping they go away, we’ll have no-one to blame but ourselves for the consequences.

    • jack says:

      12:24pm | 25/02/10

      No Alex, they have a high success rate becasue they can present without any documents, ie no passport no visa application form and supporting docs.

    • The Bastard of Canberra says:

      08:38pm | 25/02/10

      Alex says:  “The idea is that the young men try and reach safety, and then help their sisters, wives and children to join them.”

      Indeed, this is quite true.. Not just sisters, wives and children. Theirs are societies built on extended family groups. The word used back home for the brawny young men braving the stormy seas is ‘anchor’.

      The pooling of resources by an extended family group of 20-30 people to fund a throw of a grappling hook at Australia is standard practice. Once resettled, anchors are expected to repay the expense by either arranging for the family group to join them, or by remitting money home. Lines attached to anchors in Australia are meant to pull in not just the immediate family - spouses and children -  but ideally also adult siblings with their spouses and children, aged parents, aunts and uncles, nephews, nieces, cousins etc.

      Claimed family relationships are mostly uncheckable, as civil records are sparse, inaccessible, long destroyed, or never existed, and corruption of local authorities issuing ID papers is legendary. DNA testing is expensive, cannot be reliably done in source countries, and is verboten anyway as politically incorrect. Sponsorship fraud is common. If caught lying, sponsors in Australia will claim necessity and post-traumatic stress disorder, and disclaim responsibility.

      “Sponsors” is actually a misnomer, because anchors are invariably impecunious by the time they arrive in Australia. Once safely on the mainland , the lobbying effort of anchors and their advocates goes towards persuading the Government that all relatives left behind are, by definition, also refugees who must be immediately resettled in Australia, at Australian expense. When accused of splitting families, the Government generally caves in. The anchors might or might not have been legitimate refugees themselves, but we were not able to disprove their claims beyond reasonable doubt. Their sponsored relatives might or might not have any refugee claims of their own. But since we cannot disprove these either, who cares…

      Please note a disclaimer as before - no, I do not have any reasonable answer on how to manage this.

 

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