Your workplace, circa 2000. Employee: “I’ve got an idea for an entertainment device that can hold an entire music collection. It is beautifully designed, fits in your shirt pocket and can retail for under $500. What do you think?”

Not exactly easy to work with. Photo:AFP

Chief: “We appreciate your input Steve, but it doesn’t quite synergise with our six-month strategic outcomes moving forward”. What would have happened if, ten years ago, someone came up with the idea for the iPod in your workplace?

Would it have got up? Would it even have got past the initial pitch? And if it did get considered for development, would the original, brilliantly simple concept have ended up as the final product, or would something like this have happened …

Chief 1: “Why is it all white? Does it need to be white? How about green?”
Chief 2: “Blue’s very in at the moment.”
Chief 3: “My wife loves pink.”
Chief 4: “Actually orange is quite a bold colour.”
Chief 1: “Ok, why don’t we mix everyone’s favourite colours together?”
Everyone: “Yes!”

Chief 2: “Ok, but I’m not sure about this wheel thing. Most music players have more buttons.”
Chief 1: “You’re right. Let’s cut the wheel in half and add some buttons.”
Chief 3: “Actually, let’s add a whole keyboard.”
Chief 1: “Brilliant!”

Chief 3: “One other thing, our research shows that 100% of the target market still uses CDs.”
Chief 2: “Really? Well why are they going to want this mp3 thing?”
Chief 3: “I don’t know. All of our competitors products can play CDs.”
Chief 1: “Ok, let’s add a CD player to it, just to be sure.”

Later …

Chief 1: “So how’s it looking?”
Employee: “Here it is, with your feedback taken on board. It’s ugly, shit-brown and the size of a small suitcase.”
Chief 1: “Great. Let’s give it a go!”

I don’t know exactly how the iPod came into being, but I’m pretty certain it wasn’t like that. Of all the things that have been written about Steve Jobs since he died – his creative genius, his passion, his dedication, his love for his family - what stands out most to me is that he was a bit of a prick to work with.

He was relentless, stubborn and single-minded. He pursued perfection ruthlessly. He hunted down great ideas and he heaped shit on the bad ones. He was quite possibly arrogant, certainly uncompromising.

This darker side of Steve Jobs doesn’t fit neatly into the faultless, all-conquering-hero persona some would want for him – you didn’t hear Barack Obama lamenting the loss of “a visionary, a loving family man and a self-righteous pain in the arse”.

But this side of Steve Jobs may have been just as significant as the ‘creative genius’ bit when it came to shaping the success of Apple. He didn’t settle for second best and he didn’t modify great ideas just to keep people happy. When he had a vision for a new product, he had it created to perfectly reflect that vision.

Not every company has a Steve Jobs. But some probably do and don’t realise. How many Steve Jobs-style ideas get killed or maimed because they don’t fit in with the current strategy, because they are not put forward at the ‘right’ time, because they will mess up short-term sales targets or because they are bastardised in the name of group consensus or ‘stakeholder buy-in’?

A committee would never have come up with the idea for an iPod. A focus group would never have recommended the development of the original Macintosh personal computer. Sometimes, great ideas need to be staunchly promoted and ruthlessly protected. That’s not always popular.

What people loved most about Steve Jobs – if the wave of Twitter and blog tributes is anything to go by - was his dogged pursuit of excellence and his ability to back his intuition and ignore the naysayers. The question is, how equipped are most companies to deal with this type of personality?

Sure, it’s easier to get your ideas implemented when you run the place, as Steve Jobs did. But don’t forget that he was pushed out of Apple once – for being difficult to work with, combative and single-minded. What might Apple have achieved in the 90s if Steve Jobs was there?

So if there’s a moody, arrogant, single-minded perfectionist at your work, listen to their ideas and let them have their say; they might just be the next Steve Jobs*

*Disclaimer: They might not be. It’s possible they are just a prick. 

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    • Nathan says:

      05:06am | 14/10/11

      An ipod is an MP3. As MP3 are not knew i don’t know if you can claim the whole visionary piece to invent an ipod. Sure Apple developed the best version but they didn’t take a massive risk on untested technology.

      Technology companies have teams to do their R&D to generate new idea to patent so i think it is pretty safe to say that allot of companies do in fact listen for ideas and their success is dependent upon in it.

    • Pedant says:

      06:28am | 14/10/11

      An ipod is an mp3 PLAYER.

    • Matthew says:

      07:44am | 14/10/11

      Every computer from about 1993 was an MP3 player and the iPod wasn’t even the first MP3 player, according to Wikipedia they were about 6th or 7th in line with the idea.  Creative definitely beat them to the punch.

    • Chris says:

      09:30am | 14/10/11

      The iPod was hardly the best. The thing that makes Apple products popular is the Apple marketing, not the products which are usually just controlled versions of other companies products.

    • iMitchy says:

      10:39am | 14/10/11

      @Chris,
      Not only that, the iPod really boomed when the music piracy phenomenon and P2P sharing started to go downhill. Apple was prepared for this and when it got to the point where download speeds were so slow on P2P sharing sites and you never actually knew the quality of the end product until you already had it, that we started to think “I’d rather PAY for a quality product which will download in seconds. It aint free but it’s not that expensive”. The iStore was already there…waiting.

      I don’t know who came up with the concept of “iProducts” (and giving Jobs all the credit can stir up a lot of debate), but I think the iStore and iTunes as the support to the iProducts are the real proof of Jobs’ visionary mind. The money keeps rolling in even after you have left the store and taken your device home.

    • Andy D says:

      11:28am | 14/10/11

      I’m no fan of Apple or Steve Jobs. I think Apple bears more than a passing resemblance to Scientology and Steve Jobs had a bit of L. Ron Hubbard to him. To me Jobs was not an inventor and Apple have become the world’s number one patent troll.

      But…

      The iPod was pure genius. If Jobs is remembered for the iPod alone he must go down in history as a business giant.

      At the time the iPod came out the only other mp3 players available looked like the sort of junk sold in $2 shops and were hopelessly complex looking. Even the Creative stuff was pretty clunky.

      Jobs’ genius was not to invent the mp3 player, it was to take a pretty boring piece of consumer technology and make it sexy. And that is the formula Apple has been following ever since, with varying degrees of success.

    • neo says:

      03:01pm | 14/10/11

      ipods are horrible mp3 players, the audio quality is atrocious! And the fact that you have to use itunes, which is pretty much malware.

      Sony Walkman makes an affordable alternative, with the audio quality being SIGNIFICANTLY better than the ipod’s.

    • Factuals says:

      08:14am | 15/10/11

      I think it’s time to drop the “Apple just has good marketing” BS. At the time of the iPod release, Apple was still in the “beleaguered” category and any misstep could have been fatal. Regarding MP3 players, Apple certainly wasn’t the first but the iPod was the best.

      Firstly, someone could learn how to use it in 30 seconds. None of the others were that simple. In addition, its storage capacity was right up there (yes, we know, less storage than a Nomad…)

      Secondly, iTunes (née Sound Jam originally from Casady and Green) was (and I believe still is) the absolute easiest way to both organise music on a computer and get it onto a player. By eschewing the computer’s filesystem, Apple made the front application a database, which meant you could create as many playlists as you wanted, independent of the actual file locations. No need to duplicate/triplicate/quadruplicate files and sort them into folders just to get a new playlist.

      Finally, Apple made the iPod (and iTunes) Mac-only because they thought that was their market. It was overwhelming consumer demand that made them realise they were onto something with it.

      As a side note, I was so happy when WinAmp came to the Mac. I’d heard so much about it and it’s great customisation features. HAH!  Sure it had lots of customisation, but as a music player/organiser, it sucked.

    • Alicia says:

      09:12am | 15/10/11

      I’m with Factuals on this one. My fiance got given a Sony MP3 player of some kind in 2006 and it was quite difficult to figure out how to get the music onto the player. I don’t think we ever managed to do so. Apple made it easy with the iPod.

    • Walt says:

      02:46pm | 15/10/11

      Neo, it’s the crappy headphones not the device. MP3s are digital they all sound the same no matter what plays them. They aren’t dependent on a good quality needle or clean tape heads.

    • Don says:

      05:22pm | 15/10/11

      Bit of a dimwitted argument - really. Let me put it to you that many companies have followed this point, gone with one person’s vision about a product and stuck to it regardless of the naysayers. Why don’t you hear about them? Because they went broke - big time. Geez.

    • Peter#1 says:

      05:14am | 14/10/11

      The camel is a perfect example of what you are alluding to. It was designed by a committee, way back when, trying to create a horse.
      Sometimes you need to be a stubborn prick and stick to your ideas.

    • Owen says:

      03:07pm | 14/10/11

      Do you know any horses that can last in the same conditions as a camel? No? I thought not.
      The camel is, all by itself, also a fascinating animal.
      Both have their strengths, and weaknesses.
      Just like Apple products compared to the competition.
      Some people refuse to see how good the camels can be though, because the camel isn’t an Apple iHorse.

    • OddCreature says:

      09:28pm | 15/10/11

      “Some people refuse to see how good the camels can be though, because the camel isn’t an Apple iHorse.”

      LMAO Owen - it’s so true!

      Other people will describe it as good marketing but it’s much more than that - Apple found a way to own the product catergory. Kind of like how no one calls their cooler a cooler, they call it an esky. No one goes to the shops looking for a music player, they go to get an iPod. They won’t even consider other brands, even if they’re cheaper or better (and don’t kid yourself - there are cheaper and better ones out there).

    • acotrel says:

      05:36am | 14/10/11

      ’ How many Steve Jobs-style ideas get killed or maimed because they don’t fit in with the current strategy, because they are not put forward at the ‘right’ time, because they will mess up short-term sales targets or because they are bastardised in the name of group consensus or ‘stakeholder buy-in’? ‘

      Or because your boss is a bullying sycophant who cannot understand the technology ?

      AUTHORITARIANISM STIFLES CREATIVITY !

    • n_dude says:

      02:15pm | 14/10/11

      I suspect Xerox adopted the approach outlined in the earlier part of the article and hence they could not see the prospects for the mouse and the GUI. Xerox were still stuck in the paper and photocpying world. Visionary with authoritarianism obviously worked for Apple.

    • neo says:

      03:21pm | 14/10/11

      No it didn’t, Apple has been lagging behind PCs since its inception, and it still is.

    • HereNthere says:

      05:39am | 14/10/11

      You’ve your scenario wrong.
      It should read,
      Boss, I’ve worked out how to bleed another round of loot from teenagers, using that model developed by Sony 20 years ago, called the walkman. We just upgrade the technology, market it under a brand name kids think is environmentally friendly and quirky, and we will make a motza selling them them at twice the price better products are available for.

    • PW says:

      06:57am | 14/10/11

      A Walkman was about 10 times as big, had inferior sound quality, had 60 minutes maximum continuous playing time (45 minutes if you didn’t want to risk your C120 cassette getting mangled) and being a completely mechanical device went through the AA alkalines at a prodigious rate. You had to carry cassettes around with you. The CD version was brick-sized, even worse on the batteries and extremely prone to jumping, even with anti-skip technology. It had a maximum play time of 74 minutes and you had to carry CD’s around with you. The iPod is superior to these clunky devices in every way and has therefore met with universal acceptance.

    • acotrel says:

      07:35am | 14/10/11

      @PW
      It’s not rocket science to figure out that a silicon chip will store digital data and do the euivalent of a magnetic tape ! The bit that was smart was designing the software which works against Microsoft, and creates a mini monopoly for Apple !  A simple $40 MP3 player will do everything an iPod will, without buggering up the layout of your PC.

    • Matthew says:

      07:47am | 14/10/11

      PW, if that were the only truth, than Creative would have beaten Apple out.  It was more than that.

      Apple convinced hipsters that it was cool to have an iPod and iMac.  Apple’s marketing team is 2nd to none.  Their technology team is average at best.

    • Bomb78 says:

      09:20am | 14/10/11

      The iPod is only half the story - the reason its is so popular is it just works, and the power behind ‘just working’ is iTunes. An iPod is just a dumb device, but iTunes makes managing media simple. We are not all blessed with the technical ability to manage files efficeintly on a compter (if we were half the people I know who work in IT would need a new job). The marketing is slick, but lets not forget its a good product.

    • malohi says:

      09:20am | 14/10/11

      @PW Walkmans were the buisness, noone cares about your anti-walkman propaganda.
      @ Matthew, spot on, that was always the key to apple’s success. See the comment of PW for confirmation.

    • acotrel says:

      02:01pm | 14/10/11

      @Bomb78
      Any dill could write a programme to cut and past MP3 files from a directory onto an MP3 player.  In fact if you own a computer and cannot do the cut and paste, you should donate it to some 5 year old school kid, or at least entice the kid to show you how to do it.

    • neo says:

      03:27pm | 14/10/11

      “Walkman” is not a casette player, it’s the brand name for Sony’s portable music devices. Currently, and in the past, the Walkman produces and produced much better audio quality from mp3 files than the ipod.

    • JP says:

      10:04pm | 14/10/11

      Acotrel - don’t invoke the ‘if you don’t understand how it works, don’t use it’ argument. It’s a fallacious one.

      Otherwise, only doctors should be capable of receiving medical treatment, only lawyers should have recourse to legal remedies, and only accountants should handle money. And only engineers and architects get to be inside buildings.

      The divorcing of understanding how something works from understanding how to use it is the greatest thing humanity has ever done - because it allows society and family to exist, and as a result economies and technologies.

      As to Jobs - I don’t like Apple products, because I have an uncanny knack for having them break on me. I recognise that their strength has been in making the niche, mainstream (at least since revitalisation) - and that’s what Jobs brought to the table - the ability to make something very easy to use, and very easy to sell. Not an easy achievement.

      (also - HereNthere: whilst it is fashionable to hate the popular, Sony do the exact same thing. Remember Motorola? They started as a company who took the idea of a record player, and made it work better for mounting within a car. Does that mean an iPhone is essentially a fancy Motorola car-record-player? Probably not, although the logical steps are all about as big as each other to get there, by half-a-dozen to a dozen companies.)

    • PsychoHyena says:

      12:39pm | 15/10/11

      @acotrel, it is so much more than that. Copy and paste is simple, yes. Writing an application to run on all potential systems to not only download the file correctly AND then allow you to move that file between devices? Not so much.

      If it was so simple to create the application than programmers would be paid a pittance and there would be more freeware out there.

    • Mahhrat says:

      05:50am | 14/10/11

      Been saying the same thing for years.

      You get nothing useful from Committees, except rubber stamps of stuff that people with actual talent have done.

      Give someone a job, give them the responsibility, hold them accountable for the output, then LET THEM DO THEIR JOB.

      “Consultation” is fine only until a decision needs to be made.  Let the person paid to make it make it, and live with the result.

      What you’ve discussed here is exactly the problem with the public service.  Our “leaders” (the pollies) avoid responsibility at all costs.  Is it any wonder then that the public service does exactly the same thing?

      On topic for at least one line (It’s Friday, gimme a break): Don’t speak ill of the dead, Jim.

    • acotrel says:

      08:04am | 14/10/11

      @Mahrat
      There is one place where committees are effective, and not many Australians know of it.  The transparent committee process of Standards Australia which combines opportunity for public comment, provides a forum for political input by the individual.  The standards which are generated often become the basis for legislation.  The Workchoices/AWA format which was created by Liberal Party politicians , would have been much better received, if it had been generated by Standards Australia.  The employer, and employee unions, and other industry groups could have had their bun fight in the committee meetings, instead of getrting emotional, involving the media, and toppling the Howard government.

    • chas says:

      09:22am | 14/10/11

      acotrel
      You are sadly mistaken about standards Australia.
      Standards Australia is comprised of committees creating standards that suit their vested interests to the detriment of “non-members”

      An example is Standards Australia creating unique steel specifications that suit local manufacturers when suitable standards have been in place for decades in Europe and Japan. This has resulted in large scale projects in mining being unable to use Australian manufactured steel because existing designs in place and deployed around the world call for Japanese or European standards. The industry shot itself in the foot by not just adopting internationally recognised standards.
      There are many more examples. Standards Australia is a sham. International standards should be used where available.

    • STATIC says:

      09:38am | 14/10/11

      I agree and if you want to implement something just get some consultants in,pay them a motza to say that it would be good to implement your idea.You then go to your employees and tell them that the consultants said ot was a good idea so it must be and then you put it into practice. I have heard a definition of consultants and that is ” the plague rats of management”

    • Mahhrat says:

      05:50am | 14/10/11

      Been saying the same thing for years.

      You get nothing useful from Committees, except rubber stamps of stuff that people with actual talent have done.

      Give someone a job, give them the responsibility, hold them accountable for the output, then LET THEM DO THEIR JOB.

      “Consultation” is fine only until a decision needs to be made.  Let the person paid to make it make it, and live with the result.

      What you’ve discussed here is exactly the problem with the public service.  Our “leaders” (the pollies) avoid responsibility at all costs.  Is it any wonder then that the public service does exactly the same thing?

      On topic for at least one line (It’s Friday, gimme a break): Don’t speak ill of the dead, Jim.

    • marley says:

      07:10am | 14/10/11

      @mahrat - been there, done that, agree entirely.  The only use for “committees” in the public service is to get the right people together to coordinate delivering a policy or product that has already been decided on.  Committees are good for working out logistics and assigning tasks - they’re terrible for coming up with ideas or policies. 

      And I doubt that business is any different.  Most big businesses are bureaucracies anyway.  Committee upon committee, meeting upon meeting, performance reviews, etc etc.  Whether it’s business or the civil service, a real leader with drive and vision comes up with the ideas, and the minions make it happen.

    • Mahhrat says:

      08:54am | 14/10/11

      @Marley - yep, will go with your first paragraph entirely.  They’re good at the breaking up of responsibility once the output is determined.

      Big business usually is, which is why they focus more on profits and less on what is profitable (often to their demise).

      The difference is though, the private sector has to deal with the realities of money.  APS Committees simply don’t, and therein lay the problem - the expected outputs are not met, nobody goes hungry.

    • Tina says:

      05:54am | 14/10/11

      I think it is like that in a lot of companies. The original idea has to pass the test of every board member, then it has to be made a safe bet that is targeting a broad audience, it has to be reasonable in production costs. How many companies can afford to bring out a revoluntionary product, put their whole brand behind it, and then risk failure?

      Steve Jobs was lucky as well that his ideas were well received and celebrated by the public. But what would say about him today, if the ipod had been a failure and ruined Apple? Would he still be a genius, but one that just didnt quite manage to catch the public? Or would he have been the prick that cost so many people their jobs?

    • marley says:

      07:11am | 14/10/11

      @Tina - but that was his genius - picking winners.

    • Matthew says:

      08:55am | 14/10/11

      @marley, he was an entrepreneur and took a risk.  He wasn’t a genius, he was lucky and could market the product well.

      Apple’s products in almost all cases are products that someone else has done before them (including the windowing idea, that they stole from Xerox but sued Microsoft for and the iPod).  They just changed the packaging, put an apple sticker on it and put the price up 20% and people bought it.

      His “genius” (I argue that he was a genius, he was just one of the best in his field) was in the marketing, not the product.  The last product that Apple made that was better than the competitors was the Apple II, everything since then has been sub-par with brilliant marketing.

    • marley says:

      09:52am | 14/10/11

      @matthew - I think we’re saying the same thing.  Jobs’ genius lay in identifying the technologies that could be turned into products with massive market potential, and then in exploiting that potential through slick design and great marketing. Picking winners, not inventing them.

    • jim says:

      08:19pm | 15/10/11

      @Matthew, I didn’t buy an iPod over a zune/cheapChineseMP3player because of marketing.

      It was well designed. It got me from A to B in the shortest form possible.

      And it works… I pay for simplicity and for something that works.

    • The righteous one says:

      07:17am | 14/10/11

      Jobs was not a creative genius, the creative ones worked for him.  Jobs had a marketing knack.  He didnt allow the technology to be open to third party access thereby having great control over second grade products which he somehow manage to give snob value to. These product underperform other products yet he has owners thinking they are marvelous.  Snake oil salesman.  Appeared to be very up himself

    • MarkS says:

      10:07am | 14/10/11

      3rd party access can be very useful.  Apple computers are not the main personal computer choice.

      Take computer games. Once game companies got very upset when people tried to modify their games. Now they do their best to help people mod their games. To use their software to make other games. Why?

      Because they if they produce a highly modifiable game with a reasonable engine, it does not matter that they spend damn all on the game itself. Hundreds of people will spend tens of thousands of hours making great mods for free based on their game.

      Then they take the best ideas, rejig the engine & go again & again & again. Most of their development costs being meet for free. Indeed it is not unknown for them on occasion to make a commercial deal with a hobbyist mod, where they will put the official stamp on the mod, allow him to sell it instead of giving it away & even help market it & gain a cut of the resulting monies. 

      Authors have gone down the same route with fan fic.  They tried to stop it once, now many help market it.

      Apple makes more per device because they guard their patents with high priced teams of lawyers throughout the world.  But all they are doing is ensuring they get more of a smaller pie. Often it is better to get less of a bigger pie.

    • neo says:

      03:39pm | 14/10/11

      Mark, completely agree.

      The difference is, video games is a sphere of the tech savvy, or at least it attracts a lot of these people. The tech savvy want customisation, they want freedom to do what they want with the product they paid money for. These people like variety, they like innovation and they like the freedom.

      Apple products is the sphere of the technologically inept, people who like the ease of use of the iphone, because you can’t adjust any settings, you can’t change the look, its very limited, much like a menu on your TV or something. These people like simplicity, they like routine, and they hate having to make choices about how their phone will look and feel.

      That is why some apple products are popular, their target audience does not want to have options in their products, because they would probably just screw them up and not know how to fix them.

    • Tubesteak says:

      07:35am | 14/10/11

      “He was relentless, stubborn and single-minded. He pursued perfection ruthlessly. He hunted down great ideas and he heaped shit on the bad ones. He was quite possibly arrogant, certainly uncompromising.”

      Ha. That describes me. I could email that to just about anyone that knows me and they’d agree.

      All the greatest leaders of history were like this. Alexander the Great. Lincoln. Churchill. Ghenghis Khan. Just to name a few.

      Nice guys finish last. You have to be ruthless, cunning, unyielding and blunt to get anywhere.

    • neo says:

      03:44pm | 14/10/11

      Larry Page and Sergey Brin are neither ruthless nor cunning, yet they made it bigger than Steve Jobs did.

    • marley says:

      04:29pm | 14/10/11

      I’m just thinking about George Custer.  Relentless, stubborn and single minded for sure.  Definitely arrogant and uncompromising. He didn’t finish first.  He didn’t finish at all. And he got a lot of good men killed in the process. 

      So, while you’re pursuing your ruthless, cunning, unyielding and blunt course, you’d better hope that you’ve got it in you to be an Alexander and not a George.

    • Brendo (from Malvern VIC) says:

      07:43am | 14/10/11

      Tina says “.....Steve Jobs was lucky…” blah blah blah

      Respectfully Tina I must disagree. In both tenors at Apple - Steve Jobs was able to lead a company that developed and sold beautifully-designed products that were / are simple to use and greatly desired by some many people. That’s not luck - that’s called skillfully successful.

    • Tina says:

      07:55am | 14/10/11

      I dont mean to belittle his success. But generally doing something new involves a risk. And while we praise him having the guts to do so, a risk for a company always puts people and jobs at risk as well. (But obviously it paid off and he managed to grow Apple and not ruin it)

    • Brasil says:

      08:03am | 14/10/11

      Jobs gift was taking something that already existed and making it more appealing to the general community. He also had a super knack for marketing, which meant that superior and/or cheaper products often were drowned out. But people forget Apple’s failures as well. Anyone got a Newton?

    • acotrel says:

      08:20am | 14/10/11

      @Brendo
      I agree.  An iPod is an excellent product, however the way has been made inaccessible to windows explorer is cynical.  It might be a smart marketing ploy, and something of which most customers would neither know or care.  However it’s a nuisance and unnecessary. Microsoft software has become the industry standard, anything else should be compatible ! I understand that it’s important to make a dollar in business, but to create something which interrupts the smooth flow of information is counter productive in the overall scheme of things !

    • mick says:

      07:57am | 14/10/11

      You must be talking about dead beat business leaders in Australia who conservative to the point of stupidity and who cannot see past conventional wisdom.  The word ‘future’ simply does not exist.  If it did great inventions like the black box flight recorder and the desktop computer would not have gone overseas for foreigners to develop and make money out of, selling the finished product back to Australia.  They must have been laughing very loudly at our inept business community.  And while I’m at it bear a thought for the world’s 3rd largest gas deposit (Gorgon) which was flogged off to overseas ownership only 16 years ago because the imbecilic business community was too short sighted to see the strategic importance going forward but a few short years.
      Some people call Australia the lucky country.  Unfortunately it looks more like the stupid country at times and a benign population needs to be very very careful that it does not sacrifice its jewels left we all become beggars in our own country.  It is sad.

    • Tail -> Dog says:

      08:08am | 14/10/11

      I’m a manager in public service.

      Yesterday I put a pre-preliminary, not even fully formed plan, infant, baby germinated idea to a forum to ask if we develop it further.

      Loudest voices - “NO!”

      ...I’m doing it anyway.

    • Tina says:

      08:29am | 14/10/11

      You want to change something in the public service? Possibly even during the morning tea break? Are you nuts?

    • Joey Joe Joe Junior Shabadoo says:

      08:34am | 14/10/11

      Ideas are forbidden in the public service… that stuff will get you fired.

      Just tow the line, don’t think, shred documents when told to, don’t ask questions… you’ll be head of department in no time.

      There is no ingenuity originating from the public service, they pay the private sector for that.

    • Mahhrat says:

      08:51am | 14/10/11

      Good pup!! smile

      As I’ve always said in the APS (with respect to the original author), it’s a lot easier to seek forgiveness than ask permission.

    • Tail - Dog says:

      09:50am | 14/10/11

      @Mahhrat

      Agreed. Dont ask “what would you like?”

      Just get it done and say “Here. This is what it is.”

    • Tim says:

      10:47am | 14/10/11

      Leave

    • Fred says:

      08:21am | 14/10/11

      I thought he just made things look really pretty. I guess the fact that an apple desktop costs a fortune relative to a pc and they would sell a whole lot more if they brought the cost down a lot is in line with Job’s stubbornness and strategy as you say.

      But that would make Apple fan boys a little less into themselves and we can’t have that.

    • stephen says:

      08:25am | 14/10/11

      I was gonna answer but I was too busy on my mac, charging my ipod whilst unpacking the ipad, which just goes to show that if I didn’t have any of this stuff, how I could of spent my time bagging a bloke who made a kick-start to the 21st century.

    • meh says:

      08:26am | 14/10/11

      “moody, arrogant, single-minded perfectionist”

      The correct title is Developer / Engineer, although not all of them are perfecionists.

    • Project Manager says:

      12:35pm | 14/10/11

      I project manage a team of developers and engineers and testers.

      Not one of them is moody, one is arrogant - but he is also extremely young and therefore believes himself to be invincible and not one of them is a ‘real’ perfectionist - although I will admit, they are all single minded - to the point that it exasperates me on a daily basis.

      Never try to make a developer see the bigger picture! They will only ever focus in on what is right in front of them.

      I suppose this is where Steve Jobs differed.

    • neo says:

      03:42pm | 14/10/11

      You must have the lowest sorts of developers working for you, because even an average coder usually tends to be a perfectionist at the very least. Also, all good coders are arrogant. Hire some real pros.

    • SimpleSimon says:

      08:31am | 14/10/11

      My understanding was Steve Jobs told the tech guys he wanted an MP3 player with 1 button. When they kept coming back to him saying “it can’t be done! It’s impossible” he would say “do it anyway”. He may not have been the guy that actually invented the little wheel thing, but he was the one who forced the techies to get creative. Constraints drive creativity and innovation, and Steve Jobs was relentless in enforcing his ideas. Sure, the original iPod was technically more than 1 button, but it was the attitude in trying to achieve that goal that inspired the design that was ultimately extremely successful.

    • B4Bear says:

      09:19am | 14/10/11

      Beautifully put. The click wheel is one of the most elegant designs going around. Simple, easy to use and effective.

      I love all the nay-sayers here. Jealousy writ large.

    • Mdub says:

      08:37am | 14/10/11

      If Rupert Murdoch passed tommorow, would we see the same sort of public grief as we are seeing for Jobs? I think not. In the end they are one and the same, Jobs just managed to make himself appear a demi-god.

    • Tina says:

      08:50am | 14/10/11

      Who is Rupert Murdoch?

    • AFR says:

      10:11am | 14/10/11

      But Murdoch has the sexy Chinese MILF wife…

    • Blake says:

      08:42am | 14/10/11

      What the hell?  The mp3 player was invented well before Apple made their ipod.  So sick of this rubbish being spouted everywhere.  Apple invented nothing, they only popularised geeky items to the illiterate, and others perfected it.

    • B4Bear says:

      09:45am | 14/10/11

      Says he sitting on a PC (who popularised that by the way) using a GUI to get his point across. Oh the irony.

    • Erick says:

      10:15am | 14/10/11

      @B4Bear - “sitting on a PC (who popularised that by the way)”

      That would be IBM and Microsoft.

      “using a GUI”

      Invented by Rank Xerox Palo Alto Research Centre.

      “Oh the irony.”

      Indeed.

    • B4Bear says:

      10:37am | 14/10/11

      “That would be IBM and Microsoft.”

      So the Apple II my school bought in the late 70s was popularised by IBM. Thanks for the history lesson

      Another thing, being the first is not always the best. But being the one who can adapt and modify it so the consumer wants to buy it, that is one who makes the money.

    • Gomez12 says:

      11:10am | 14/10/11

      @B4Bear
      You mean the PC popularised by IBM and it’s compatibles (Apple II was good, but a market failure - due to Steve Jobs) on the Gui developed by Xerox?

      Most people are pointing out that he was a marketing genius, not a pioneer - in fact he was so good that he could market himself as a pioneer without having to be one - you’ve proved that point.

    • Gomez12 says:

      11:25am | 14/10/11

      @B4Bear
      Wow, you really are a fanboy aren’t you?

      Apple was a success only with schools… in the 70’s…

      Apple shot themselves in the foot by refusing to licence their tech and got subsequently destroyed in the marketplace. The IBM PS2 was a similar offering but due to being licenced to other manufacturers quickly came to dominate the market, which is why I’ve spent 15 years working on PC’s and still haven’t had to touch a mac in any professional environment.

      And it’s Easy to see why - You’ve got ATi and nVidia competing themselves silly over the graphics market, AMD and Intel flogging each other in the processors and numerous board/ram and peripheral manufacturers all competing from a common base to gain market share. Apple had… Apple. That’s why all new Apple computers are running Intel chips with (I think) nVidia Video cards, Apple simply couldn’t compete with the innovation being put out by multiple companies.

      Being first usually isn’t the best - but you have to be first to be the “Genius” and the “Pioneer” - Steve basically refined idea’s and technology of others, then marketed them brilliantly. Which is fine and he was very successful at it. What baffles me is the legions of fanboys like you who stick your fingers in your ears and yell “Steve Jobs was the greatest EVAR, LALALALALALA” It’s simply not the case.

      Apple is also following it’s own self-destructive game-plan. Everything is proprietory, it’s not compatible with much, it requires a massive expenditure to achieve mediocre results and is quickly being overwhelmed by it’s competitors - Android in particular which has what 5 or so manufacturers running with it as opposed to iOS which has 1. (Seeing any similarities here with the demise of the Apple mac?)

    • neo says:

      03:48pm | 14/10/11

      Macs were never popular. Not like the Windows running boxes anyway. Yeah, my school had some shitty macs as well, I think that was the first time I disliked an apple product.

    • RyaN says:

      09:04am | 14/10/11

      This has nothing to do with the technology nor how it was invented, it was Steve Jobs’ genius in marketing these sub-standard products in a way that made them “fashionable” and hence every gulliable in-crowd fool and his money were soon parted.

      True marketing genius.

      If you want a true technical genius who passed recently, try the man who died recently without so much as a newspaper article who was solely responsible for just about every development you see today.

      RIP Dennis Ritchie, true genius!

      http://walyou.com/unix-dennis-ritchie/

    • alank says:

      09:41am | 14/10/11

      agree with RyanN - I believe Steve Jobs was a marketing genius rather than an original designer.  He had the nous to perfect an existing but inferior product and make it appealing to a mass market.  I bought an 8gb MP3 player from Dick Smith for fifty bucks and it does everything my sons $250 Ipod does.  Granted it is a bit clunky and does not open up ITunes etc.. so what, i do not need that.
      He recognised we are slaves to fashion and trends and good-looking stuff.

    • reddragon says:

      10:40am | 14/10/11

      Said the same thing here last week and got shouted down by the Apple fan boys. Missed the announcement of Dennis Ritchie’s demise. That is the fate of the true genius, particularly when combined with gentleness, grace and humility - all of which he had in abundance. I worked for a brief summer with him at Bell Labs. Need to go and wash away the tears.

    • Markus says:

      12:00pm | 14/10/11

      That your mp3 player does not open up iTunes for me would itself make it worth every cent.

      Does Apple still try to force you to install Quicktime every time you update iTunes?

    • RyaN says:

      12:15pm | 14/10/11

      @reddragon: Personally I think its a sad indictment on the media that this was not covered, especially considering the outpouring over Jobs.

      I guess the passing of Steve Jobs was far more “fashionable” to cover.

    • neo says:

      03:50pm | 14/10/11

      LOL @ Quicktime, that was the biggest fail media player ever. Worse than Real, even after RP became Real ADS Player.

      Oi, oi, open that .mov file…wtf is a .mov file bro?

    • PG says:

      09:30am | 14/10/11

      James never said Steve Jobs invented the MP3 player.

      The genius in the invention of the iPod was it’s elegant design and the click wheel which made it ridiculously easy to use. This made it appeal to the general population instead of just geeks who liked to tinker with computer/tech stuff. When the first MP3 players were released they weren’t terribly easy to use and most people struggled to work out how to get music off their CDs, let alone use one of these new compact digital MP3 music player things.

      Any idiot could use an iPod, they were that easy to use. That’s why they were/are so popular.

    • Markus says:

      12:16pm | 14/10/11

      At least you’re admitting that Apple products are marketed at idiots, which is the same argument people have been making against Apple for years.

    • Jessc says:

      08:46am | 16/10/11

      I wouldn’t exactly call them idiots. Before the Apple marketing machine came along, computer products were only for those who knew what to do, who had an interest in computer technology. All those who just wanted to do some fancy shit on a computer without having to have read a 500-page manual and know how to install their own motherboard had no where to do it - enter Apple.

      Its easy to call those who don’t have the same nerd interests as you as idiots, but isn’t it more helpful to the discussion to reframe your argument as Apple targeting the massive untapped market of luddites?

    • Tim the Toolman says:

      12:45pm | 16/10/11

      “At least you’re admitting that Apple products are marketed at idiots”

      Yes, because making something elegant can only mean it’s for idiots.  I bought an iPhone in no small part because of the beauty of the interface and that like it or not, it’s a deserving piece of history.

    • MK says:

      01:06pm | 16/10/11

      The first MP3 players, i could easily copy my MP3 files
      to and FROM
      YES oh YES FROM my MP3 player

      Click and Drag!

      Oh so Difficult

      the friendly Ipod deletes all my songs because i dare tyring to plug it into one of my other computers

    • Nathan says:

      10:12am | 14/10/11

      As a graphic designer, I’ve seen time and time again that nothing ruins good work more than a committee.

    • Demoman says:

      10:44am | 14/10/11

      Steve Jobs was the Edison of our time.

      Like Edison he beat people to the patents and was better at marketing than coming than inventing.

      I can’t stand religious Apple zealots and their temple in the CBD.

    • LeeCompmate says:

      12:48pm | 14/10/11

      Kane Kramer a Brit invented the forerunner of the iPod, DRM and On-Line Music back in 1979, but at the time there was no digital music market. http://bit.ly/17055e. sadly he let the patent lapse. Full marks to Steve Jobs for perceiving the potential and then creating and marketing what became the biggest digital music player of all time.

    • Bryan says:

      01:02pm | 14/10/11

      Steve Jobs was a marketing genius that also had the ability to
      - explain technology in simple terms
      - quickly recognise the aesthetics of good designs (and bad)
      - be uncompromising in the build quality and finish of anything he was involved in
      - inspire those around him to achieve beyond their own beliefs
      - attract and hire talented people
      - obtain loyalty and respect from almost everyone that came into contact with him (even his opponents)
      - be ruthless and unforgiving

      All these (and probably many more) characteristics made up the genius that was Steve Jobs!

    • amy says:

      01:13pm | 14/10/11

      My attitude to apple products is one great big “Meh”..I just dont see the apeal

      though to be fair I do own an ipod….except thease days you’d be hard pressed to find an MP3 player that isnt an (overpriced)  ipod

    • Markus says:

      01:36pm | 14/10/11

      I am yet to find any MP3 player that is more expensive than an iPod.

    • neo says:

      03:52pm | 14/10/11

      I am yet to find any MP3 player that is worse than the ipod.

    • Brizben says:

      01:33pm | 14/10/11

      I remember at the time a lot of similar products were around but the Apple iPod had the best usability and clickwheel on the front was easy to use.

      Where Apple really excelled was connecting it to the iTunes store.

    • neo says:

      03:54pm | 14/10/11

      They did well with itunes indeed. To think, you can manufacture an mp3 player and restrict it to the music store you own, ahh the monopoly.

    • Steven says:

      09:15pm | 14/10/11

      Apple only have a monopoly over their own products. If you don’t want to use iTunes then don’t buy an iPod.

      You choose to be locked in if you buy an iPod so more fool you.

    • mum of three says:

      02:22pm | 14/10/11

      Lately, a lot of business advice is “find out what your customers want and give it to them.”  Henry Ford said, “if I had listened to the customer, they would have told me to make a faster horse.”  Jobs and Ford have vision in common and coupled with strong leadership, both changed the world.

    • neo says:

      03:57pm | 14/10/11

      An anti-semite racist and a sweat shop owner, real good role models you got there.

    • Ash says:

      03:19pm | 14/10/11

      He gave us toys. End of story

    • Cynicised says:

      04:05pm | 14/10/11

      In reply simply to the headline “There’s a fine line between a genius and a prick” I say absofrigginglutely! I know several people who exemplify that statement. They are either incredibly tangential original thinkers who consistently astonish with their intuitive grasp of business, or are unrelentingly talented high achievers,  yet they are also completely unaware of the damage their powerful, perfectionist drive does to those who are merely trying to keep up!  They are forces of nature and being in their orbit can be an enlightening, quasi-religious experience. It can also be hellish, dealing with their egos and unpredictability.
      I wouldn’t have it any other way!

    • some managers kill ideas says:

      09:58am | 15/10/11

      I have this week experienced what happens when everyone needs to have ‘buy in’ for something. At the start of the week the concept made sense and had two people that had come up with it. Management decided that it was absolutely necessary to ensure that a number of other teams (sometimes multiple people in on team) signed off on this concept. Changes made here and there etc. Finished result - doesn’t really make sense or hold together properly and has very much deviated from the brief - but now everyone has agreed and had their say we can go ahead with it. Personally I think we should cut our losses and cancel it - but since everyone thinks its ok we will throw money at it and then wonder why it failed (and it will, it really no longer holds together at all!!)

    • Davo says:

      10:48am | 15/10/11

      I love reading you guys (and gals) bitching about each other’s points of view. Sorta like my own nerdy version of “The View”. You know what? I have an apple products and android products, and can appreciate the virtues of both. I’ve jailbroken my Ipad and can modify it as much as my android phone. Finally, Ipod wans’t the first - agreed. But except for the tech-heads, the average person just wanted their mp3 player to work simply and efficiently, without too many hassles. Ipod / Itunes achieved this.
      In the end - if you like apples well-managed (albeit simplistic and managed) interfaces, then buy them. If you dont - then dont! I’m sick of apple fan-boys and non-apple fan-boys ripping into each other every time either release a new product. Get over it!

    • Henry Wu says:

      12:14pm | 15/10/11

      Is anything in this piece actually based on facts or is it purely speculation?

    • Cate says:

      01:56pm | 15/10/11

      Mr Job did very well in his life.  However, I feel all this godlike worship is a little over the top.  Let him rest in peace.

    • who cares if you like apple says:

      07:00pm | 15/10/11

      Is it just me or was this story meant to be about the fact that management at some companies makes sure that all idea are exactly as they approved of them and so they are stifling creativity? It seems to have turned into another pro/against apple blog (booooooring).

    • Mark says:

      07:10pm | 15/10/11

      A lot of slagging here, But I say to those people “what will your legacy be?” “what will you be remembered for?”
      I dare say not a lot!!

      And you certainly won’t be dying with a company valued at over $350 BILLION that you hand built.

      Show some respect people.

    • Andrew says:

      11:08pm | 16/10/11

      iPod - one of the worst products in history. Expensive, terrible sound quality, dreadful to use (software, interfacing etc). Copied everything else, badly. World would have missed nothing if it was never built.

      iPhone - one of the best. Everything copied it - usually well.

    • Leidy says:

      10:23am | 17/10/11

      So much info in so few words. Tosltoy could learn a lot.

    • julian thomas says:

      10:18pm | 23/10/11

      apple is great for people who dont appreciate how to use the options provided on a PC, follow the leader Jobs JailPC vs FreePC

 

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