Over the years many have proclaimed the Kyoto Protocol “dead” and once again media reports are starting to suggest the imminent demise of this international climate change treaty and a new Australian compromise.

Trust me, Copenhagen is this way

Clearly the protocol is not yet dead as its binding pollution reduction targets for most industrialised countries remain in force until the end of 2012.  However as negotiations have intensified in the lead up to the Copenhagen climate summit in December, the treaty’s future has become increasingly uncertain.

Behind the headlines about targets, technology transfers and finance for developing countries, a profound discussion on the “legal form” of the new agreement is occurring. This dominated recent talks held in Washington D.C. attended by Climate Change Minister Penny Wong.

In these negotiations on a new climate agreement, which will continue next week in Bangkok, two very different legal pathways are emerging.

The first builds on Kyoto and expands internationally agreed commitments to reduce emissions to include the USA and slow emissions growth in countries like China. It would also cover the international mechanisms, like levies on international shipping and aviation fuels, which will drive public and private sector investments in climate change solutions, particularly in developing countries.

The second pathway scraps internationally agreed commitments and/or standards altogether, putting the emphasis primarily on domestic law. This would lead to a patchwork of loosely connected national or regional systems, each with its own set of rules.

This second pathway reflects the current situation where countries like the USA, China, Brazil and India are prepared to take action domestically, but are not necessarily prepared to subject themselves to international verification, accounting standards and/or compliance.

For example, China’s current domestic energy targets are projected to avoid emissions equivalent to those of Russia by 2010. But China has not put this in an international agreement. In fact the current legal architecture would not allow China to do this!

The draft treaty submitted to the UN by the USA also illustrates this issue. It suggests that industrialised countries would undertake emissions reductions “in conformity with domestic law.”  This implies that future international action on climate change would not be based on internationally agreed rules that are broadly perceived as fair for everyone, but on rules largely determined by national (vested) interests.

This would mean that every emissions trading system introduced around the world would need to set up rules for whether they would accept, for example, an American, European, Chinese or Australian carbon pollution credit.

Then they would have to try and find a way to make sure that that the very same credit had not been also sold to someone else! (A worrying alternative would be to let the market and carbon permit traders sort all this out.)

Emerging out of the negotiations is an alternative Australian proposal which is attracting increasing interest as it potentially charts a route between these two pathways. It includes economy wide commitments to reduce emissions by developed countries but which would also allow other economies like Mexico and South Korea, traditionally not classified as “developed”, to register the emission trading systems they are developing in an international “schedule”.

China’s efforts would also be documented in a schedule, including the key commitments from its Five Year Plan. After countries have put their commitments on the table the international community would then assess whether the individual and collective effort is sufficient. If not, they would negotiate with each other to reach an agreed level of global reductions.

A key attraction of this proposal is that it builds a bridge between the Kyoto world and the new post-2012 world where fair, international commitments from a broader range of countries - especially the USA and China – will be essential if an effective binding agreement is to be reached. It could also provide the vehicle for future “rounds” of reductions without having to renegotiate the entire system each time.

Indeed a schedules approach, if carefully designed, would allow efforts to be ratcheted up more quickly, as countries can increase, but not decrease, their commitments at any time.

On face value the schedules approach seems like a possible way forward. As international law experts have noted the schedule approach could provide a flexible and iterative means of expressing climate action.

However, as we have seen in the past, countries will take any opportunity to weaken their own commitments. The credibility of this approach will depend on its ability to strengthen global action and not lead to a system that just sees countries registering existing national commitments.

For example, countries should only gain access to international carbon markets and financing if they had an agreed schedule.  The devil, as ever, will be in the final detail.

Whether the Kyoto Protocol will survive the Copenhagen round, or be subsumed into a new treaty, remains to be seen. Regardless, Copenhagen must lay the foundations of a robust, trusted and independent process for coordinating national efforts and driving clean energy investments.

Without a robust, flexible and transparent legal architecture, trust between nations will be reduced, the agreement will not be durable and we will not avoid dangerous climate change.

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    • stephen says:

      02:49pm | 21/09/09

      If so many doubt the efficacy of global warming, how come everyone I know is buying a diesel car ? I mean, it’s gonna rain tomorrow, isn’t it ?

    • Margaret Gray says:

      02:58pm | 21/09/09

      Have the AGW proselytes ever stopped to consider why - if we are all going to die in a fireball apocalypse - the rest of the world is so slow in formulating a “way forward” agreement to combat the “scourge” that is “dangerous climate change”?

      Even in ignoring the overwhelming LACK of conclusive scientific EVIDENCE of any human involvement in “climate change”, Wong and her shrill fellow travellers struggle to provide ANY cogent argument for the introduction of an economically crippling carbon tax that will significantly lower the poverty threshold across the globe.

      Wong struggles to convince even herself of the merits of such a “global” scheme and has flip-flopped on the parameters she use to explain her version of “climate change”.

      Kyoto, Bali, Pittsburgh, Copenhagen, (insert city here).

      All are towering monuments to flabby government bureaucracy, ‘bought’ scientists desperate to maintain tenure and morally bankrupt environmentalists and rent seekers who prefer civilisation went backwards.

      The fact is there is no problem to tackle….deep down Rudd knows it.  So does Wong.

      Robbs disappearance from the Shadow front bench for three months is no coincidence and is of exquisite timing.

      All the climate heavy lifting for the Coalition will be done by an avowed skeptic.  It will also run contrary to Malcolm’s soft liberal stance on this issue.

      Whilst Penny and Kevin are away in the Big Nowhere pursuing an agreement to the Big Nothing, the alternative government will use this opportunity to rearrange a few chairs in the HoR.

      Kevin 24/7 might be overseas, but all the action will be right here.

    • Biff says:

      03:12pm | 21/09/09

      All this blather and not one word about how to control the world’s burgeoning population. Wouldn’t fewer people lead to fewer emissions?

    • pc says:

      04:05pm | 21/09/09

      The summit at Copenhagen does not represent the final hurdle to the challenge of climate change.  It is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end, but after 25 years of debate, and some, if little action, it may be the end of the beginning. (Thanks winston)

      In order to make meaningful cuts in emissions, the nation states of the world, particularly the wealthy ones such as ours, must bargain in good faith, as Erwin points out,

      “Copenhagen must lay the foundations of a robust, trusted and independent process for coordinating national efforts and driving clean energy investments.”

      Any treaty will fail if it does not have the consent of the nation states involved, but it will also fail if it does not have the consent of the citizens of those nation states. We cannot let our politicians fail us, we need a grassroots expression of popular support. That support is currently overwhelming and made all the more obvious by the heckling and bad faith of those who see no need to support something that doesnt directly benefit their hip pocket.  Try the 10:10 campaign, be a part of one of the great historic enterprises.

    • KeIThy says:

      04:22pm | 21/09/09

      @ Biff: if you (bothered to) think about it population and emissions aren’t as simplistically related as some of the Fibs would like to think. Now that they are starting to admit to the validity of per capita emissions then that is where the picture starts to become clear(as opposed to being muddied by ‘free-market’ liars) and people like YOU start to learn something.

        Fashion victims who demand the Earth are the dumbest animals who ever lived: unfortunately it’s what makes the world go around in loops! [Lol, NOT!]

    • acker says:

      05:30pm | 21/09/09

      When are we going to take a simple but significant step like solar air-conditioners on our buildings…the hotter and sunnier it gets the more air-conditioning power these units produce…and if there is a blackout, you still have air-conditioning….”
      http://solar-thermal.anu.edu.au/low_temp/solarac/index.php

    • Bart says:

      07:34pm | 21/09/09

      Umm, Mizz Wong, when are you going to contribute something of worth? I mean you’re in a position to make a real difference and benefit to the community but you talk soooo much climate crap. I mean you barely make sense when you try to explain this climate crap. You use words like “catastrophic” “alarming” “tipping point” “before it’s too late” “urgent action is needed”. Sorry love, you got to get real, get a life and contribute to society not try to scare us into paying oxygen tax.
      How insulting you and “change all policies when we get in Garrett are.

    • Bill says:

      03:25am | 22/09/09

      Bart, you must be Bart Simpson for sure, get a some perspective here old boy.

      Dont know which part of OZ you are from, but boy if you cant see the climate change happening then you must have a white stick in the right hand and I dont know what the left hand is holding.

      What do you want everyone to do, play chicken with this subject, it is the most important forward step we have to take in in the history of this country.

      The planet not to mention our childrens future is at stake, so lets not play around and take this situation with some serious attention.

      Kid yourself thats it is not real, as one once said every large journey starts with a small step. Whatever can be done know makes it easier in the future.

      Your head in the sand attitude cannot previal for the sake those who have some intelligence and want the world to survive the choking that the worlds polution is causing.

      Let me give you a task, put a plastic bag over your head, the biggest you can find and see how you you last while breathing CO2 into it with nothing replacing it.

    • Mike says:

      09:10am | 22/09/09

      Bill says:03:25am | 22/09/09
      Gee Bill, what an intelligent post….NOT. Have you ever watched a Nature documentary? If YOU were to take a look around you would see nothing new in global climate. You are among the mindless bed-wetters blindly accepting a fable. CO2 is a lesser GHG than water vapour and it absorbs less radiated heat per mplecule than water vapour. If the world is led down the economically destructive path of cap-and-trade, it will be small consolation that fools like you won’t see any of the trillions of dollars to be gained by the Gores of the world. It is you that should put a bag over your head. Your analogy is stupid, ignorant and a clear indicator to the voodoo nature of this scam. And give us a break re ‘our children’. They will wonder how people like you could be so stupid as to actually believe we can alter climate. Tosser!

    • rob brown says:

      09:28am | 22/09/09

      Bill, you are the one with your head in the sand “old boy “. It is climate change scare mongers like you that are the problem. If people dont agree with you fanatics there is something wrong with us.

      Your prophet ” Al Gore ” has made millions of dollars, so how about pulling your head out of the sand for a change and have a good look at the other evidence that is out there..

    • Sherlock says:

      09:45am | 22/09/09

      Before we set targets for the reduction of greenhouse gases I believe the Australian public has the right to know two things.

      1. How we are going to achieve these targets.

      Setting targets is easy it’s achieving them that’s the hard part. I’ve seen people talking about a 40% cut by 2020. Even at half that a 20% cut is a big ask in 11 years.. I hear Wong talking about cuts but I have yet to see any actual plan to reach these targets. The public has a right to see the plan before our government commits us to any agreement. However if you mention the words ‘clean’ and “coal” in the same paragraph I’m just going to laugh at you.

      2. How much this is going to cost us. They’re talking about the ETS raising $11 billion per year in revenue. That’s $500 per year for every man woman and child in Australia today. I wonder if the average family of mum, dad and two kids are ready for an extra $2,000 per year.

    • watty says:

      12:02pm | 22/09/09

      The only “major disaster” likely to occur is damage to the Rudd ego if Copenhagen fails to rein in the major players like China,India,Brazil and other “developing” countries.

      Wasn’t there a couple of Rudd’s “core"promises” kicking around about “nothing being commited to until China India et.al were brought to heel” and “Global Warming reduction would only cost Australians $1.00 per annum.”?

      No doubt “Slick Willie” and “Sleazy Kev” came up with the solution over breakfast yesterday

      .

    • watty says:

      12:18pm | 22/09/09

      The Climate Institute.Doesn’t it and it’s Board rely heavily on Government grants?

      I know from their website they rely on “FAITH” in their efforts to predict the “Global Warming Apocalypse” and even advise religous leaders on how to deal with it.

      Of course the members of the Board from the “alternative’ energy producers will agree wholeheartedly with their CEO?

      Nothing stirs the mind more than the thouyght of the $billions to be made fron carbon credits,unreliable “renewable energy sources” and the money men’s cash registers ringing 24/7.

    • Jugger says:

      02:25pm | 22/09/09

      Humm, it always makes me wonder why climate sceptics point out the money to be made in green technology.  The hypocracy is outstanding.  Yes, people are going to make money out of sustainable technology.  The oil industry has been fleecing us dry for the last hundred years or so, but I’ve never heard so much as a whimper from those on the right.  Why then, are you all suddenly so concerned about an industry making money?  Could it be because in a capitalist society (one that members of the right put in place) that’s what industry is there to do?

      You right wingers show your utter lack of intellience by trotting out the same tired old “but there gonna make money out of it” argument.  In a capitalist society, the easiest way to effect change is to ensure that people can make money.  By making Green Industry profitable, the left is successfully adapting itself to the world created by the right.  We’re beating the right wingers at their own game, and they’re not happy about it.

    • watty says:

      03:07pm | 22/09/09

      The difference “Jugger” is that oil gas coal and nuclear al work and provide 98% of the world’s energy requirements.  Any suggestion that “renewables’ can ever replace them is “whiteman dreaming”.

      No probs with making money or profits.Do have problems with “snake oil” salesmaen peddling their wares.

    • Jugger says:

      03:29pm | 22/09/09

      Wrong watty.  Oil, gas and coal require that those finite souces be consumed at a rate of many thousands of times quicker than the environment can produce them.  One day they WILL run out, that’s a fact.  What then?

      Whilst it’s true that renewables cannot entirely replace the old forms of energy at the moment, the technology is getting more efficient all the time.  Someday in the future we will be able to rely on 100% renewables, the amount of time that takes to happen is totally dependant on how quickly the population as a whole gets behind renewables.  Progress is not static, new and more efficient technologies are being created every day.

      Snide comments do nothing to change the fact that oil, gas and coal will all run out some day.  Nuclear is carbon ‘clean’ but creates waste materials even more dangerous than carbon. The head in the sand approach solves nothing.  Saying ‘its not happeneing” or “the problem’s too hard” is a simple minded attitude.

    • John Smith says:

      04:54pm | 22/09/09

      Doesn’t the schedule system lend itself to countries taking advantage of not meeting targets. Countries like China and India are huge contributors to greenhouse emissions, but they would still be considered as ‘developing’ and could therefore make smaller commitments than would be necessary.

      If the international community is to be the judge of whether a country meets its schedule commitments, surely that will just be another opportunity for continuing delays and disputes.

    • watty says:

      09:17am | 23/09/09

      “Someday we will rely on 100% “renewables” and you accuse others of having their head in the sand Jugger.?

      Keep the dream alive mate but you won’t see the world running out of coal,oil,gas or uranium in your or your great great grandchildren’s lifetimes.

      In the meantime wind and solar may have crept up to 5% of the world’s energy requirements.

    • MudCrab says:

      01:06pm | 25/09/09

      stephen asked -  “how come everyone I know is buying a diesel car ?”

      320Nm of torque and 6.6L/100 highway. More power for cheaper fuel I use less of.

      I didn’t buy one cause it’s ‘green’, I bought one cause it’s MUSCLE smile

    • thatmosis says:

      10:00am | 10/10/09

      The latest on Climate Change and an omen of whats to come , hopefully.
      Senator Barnaby Joyce

      Leader of the Nationals in the Senate

      Bangkok Climate Change Talks Fail – Precursor to failure in Copenhagen


      Queensland Nationals Senator Barnaby Joyce believes the failure to arrive at a climate change consensus in Bangkok will be repeated at Copenhagen.

      After two weeks a gathering of 190 nations in Bangkok failed to arrive at any consensus over climate change. With less than 60 days until the Copenhagen meeting the Bangkok gathering was supposed to be an opportunity to lay the foundations for the Copenhagen summit to be held in December.

      Senator Joyce said the failure of the Bangkok meeting is yet another reason why Australia should not rush into any international agreement until there is clear consensus. The inability for an international agreement stems from disagreement between developing and developed nations.

      After the Bangkok talks the United States and China are still unable to come to a satisfactory agreement. Developing nations are seeking financial assistance from developed nations to introduce cleaner technologies.

      Senator Joyce said Penny Wong’s solution to assist developing nations such as China to reduce emissions is to allow them to increase emissions. Penny Wong is arguing countries like China should be entitled to produce more emissions and set their own targets because they are an emerging economy.

      If that is the case, then why can’t parts of rural and regional Australia, with their developing economies, be allowed the same concession?

      The recent Bangkok meeting shows that the international community will be unable to come to any meaningful consensus.  Therefore, Australia must make its own arrangements.

       

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      Down to the nitty gritty and its all falling apart after each countries vested interests conflicts with anothers. This was doomed from the start and any country that goes it alone is only going to cause pain and suffering to its own people for no benefit to the country concerned or the planet but bragging rights to the clowns that bought it in.. As for renewables they are a joke and no base load system will be available in my lifetime or for that matter in my grandchildrens lifetime. I run stand alone Solar and know the problems and the cost associated and am convinced that Nuclear is the way to go.

 

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