Tony Abbott is an unusual politician. Let me give an example. Some years ago I was invited to join a delegation to cabinet ministers about the unfair impact on judicial pensions of a particular Howard government proposal.

Committed, principled, loyal…Photo: Ray Strange

Tony Abbott saw us alone, without the usual cast of advisers who take notes to use against media exposure and whose presence is essentially to ensure that nothing a minister says is of any consequence. Instead he spoke openly and honestly.

About the same time a friend told me he had seen Tony on a 389 bus in Sydney’s eastern suburbs. He wondered why he wasn’t using a ministerial car.

Politicians normally only go on public transport or use bicycles for a photo opportunity.  I recall the current British Prime Minister David Cameron when he was in opposition being filmed cycling to the House of Commons. One mischievous media cameraman was nasty enough to film the official car following him.

Tony has been consistent in not using his community involvements for political advantage.  Until he became Leader and the media then followed his every move, few people knew that for many years he was both a fireman and a lifesaver.

And to those who are strangers to the surf, the swimming costume he wears is what lifesavers normally wear.  The tedious campaign against the costume - on at least athletic men - is inexplicable. It is,  dare I say it, un- Australian.

I met Tony Abbott in the early nineties when he was the first executive director of Australians for Constitutional Monarchy. I had recently seen him in a packed Town Hall rally he had called where several prominent speakers included a Liberal opposition MP, John Howard. There were men and women, an ALP politician and an Australian of Chinese origin.

I arranged to see Tony at ACM’s modest Sydney office in Pitt Street.  My immediate impression was of a friendly young man with a firm handshake - but not ostentatiously so - and with rugged good looks. His ears suggested a boxer’s - my father was a boxing champion so I was well used to seeing what this sport could do.

It is a fact that the camera treats people differently from real life. An advertising friend tells me the camera loves some faces- he points to some models who he says are less attractive in real life.

The camera does two things to Tony – it draws attention to his ears, and it doesn’t transmit his charisma, which is formidable.

We were going to lunch so we walked a few blocks to a restaurant. Although he was not yet a public figure, several people greeted him in the street. I could not fail to notice the walk – which with an obviously athletic body could only be described as unmistakably masculine. Indeed Tony must be the most masculine and athletic of Australia’s politicians, and not boringly so. I have often thought that had he been on the left he would be the media’s pin up boy.

That style, especially the walk can be misinterpreted.  During one rowdy session in parliament, Tony crossed the floor to hand a document to an opposition MP who had been interjecting while Tony was speaking.  On seeing Tony approach him, the MP jumped to his feet and fled from the House.

Tony was suspended by the Speaker for one hour.

One thing became obvious from my first encounter. Tony is a highly principled intellectual with the common touch. He represents the goal which was drummed into boys’ heads, at least when I was a boy:  mens sana in corpore sano, a healthy mind in a healthy body.

I found from our conversations that he was tolerant and in no way sexist, racist or guilty of any of the other sins of discrimination. For example, it was his proposal that the sexes be equally represented among ACM’s candidates for the 1998 Constitutional Convention.

Tony has two moral qualities, loyalty and strong attachment to principles.

He was loyal to the end to his Prime Minister, John Howard. He would have never led a coup against his leader merely because of opinion polling. He resigned from the Turnbull front bench not to promote his leadership but only after Malcolm refused to delay any decision on that great big new tax, the ETS, until after Copenhagen.

By doing that he put his career on the line. This is a career where he had shown himself to be an effective minister who exercised proper control over his portfolio. Unlike so many recent ministers, there has not been the slightest suggestion of incompetence or profligacy under his tutelage.

His resignation from the Turnbull front bench, against the advice of the gallery who predicted a subsequent electoral massacre, was for principle, not any leadership ambitions. That the result was that he would become leader surprised him.

Much is made of Tony’s principles which are not those of the elites. Unlike some conservatives, he was not -  as I was - a socialist in his youth.  He is, as we know, committed to what he calls our crowned republic. He is a Catholic, but he does not do what many Catholic politicians in the US do. They practice what is called cafeteria Catholicism, picking only those beliefs which are consistent with the current fashions.

Most of his Catholic beliefs will have little to do directly with public administration. The Assumption of the Virgin or transubstantiation can have no effect on government decisions. Nor does the resurrection, the core belief of all Christians.

It is only in those right to life issues that there can be any crossover, and then most of these issues are matters for the states. On abortion, Tony has never suggested this be criminalised. He says it should be discouraged. This is entirely consistent with the views of most Australians, except perhaps among the tiny number who are confirmed atheists.

This firm belief in the values of our Judeo Christian heritage is a virtue and not a vice.

Tony is not a straight up and down conservative.  Like most politicians today, he would see the views of orthodox federalists as an exercise in academic nostalgia. He would probably not agree that the role of government in modern society should be reduced.

Tony is a fine, committed, principled and loyal Australian. That does not mean Australians should vote for him. Kevin Rudd’s political assassination confirms that unlike the US president our prime ministers do not have tenure.

But their vote should in no way be coloured by any misrepresentation about Tony Abbott’s character and competence.

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    • Nick says:

      07:17am | 18/08/10

      And now I hope to see a similar glowing reference for Gillard, if only to provide a sense of balance by the editors of the punch? Otherwise, your bias to the Libs is breathtaking.

    • Phil says:

      09:07am | 18/08/10

      There lies the problem. I dont know if you would find that many with a glowing reference for Gillard, except the same ones who had a glowing reference to Rudd in 2007 or Gough in 70’s.

    • Tom says:

      09:08am | 18/08/10

      This article redresses but does not balance the lies in the union funded villification of Abbott.

      If you want a “sense of balance”, let’s hear about Gillard’s limitations and faults ... and there seem to be lots. But our esteemed meeja would prefer to dwell on Abbott’s ears.

    • Jo says:

      09:12am | 18/08/10

      I totally agree. I read the article to the end only because I was so shocked by it’s publication. Where is the alternative view to counter-balance or the pro-Gillard write up? Disappointed with the Punch on this occasion.

    • Rosalee says:

      09:38am | 18/08/10

      I started to read it, then I looked to see who the author was?  Didn’t bother reading the rest of it - as Tony would say - what a load of crap!!

    • Reginald says:

      10:11am | 18/08/10

      It is not CM policy to allow such a thinng to happen

    • Steve says:

      10:19am | 18/08/10

      Where oh where is the Australian independent press?

      I have long pondered the marked absence in the Australian media of a truly independent press presence. Everything either on-line, in print or on television has an overpowering right wing slant. I would be truly delighted to welcome either:

      a. a balanced, considered press presented by intelligent free-thinking individuals or:

      b. the introduction of a system whereby columnists and reporters (oh and editors whilst we are at it) should have to reveal either their heartfelt political affiliations or alternatively some kind of mini lifestyle statement, such as : I own lots of shares in politically murky companies; my daughter attends school with the children of a prominent politician; I own my own house/boat/investment properties; I have never known what it is to be a hard working Aussie “battler” and wonder where the next meal/kids clothes/rent money is coming from; and so on and so forth - you get the general idea.

      It would be nice to be able to peruse thoughtful, carefully considered pieces which examine both the pros and cons of an issue, rather than opinionated and rhetoric-filled campaign statements for one party or another. The current offerings might easily have been penned in the depths of the opposition benches, Abbotesque soundbites et al.

      This is an insult to the Australian people. It is ridiculous to expect them to carefully consider their political options, only having heard half (or in this case none) of the facts. Opinion pieces are all very well for columnists but they cease to be entertaining once they start to become political. A journalist is no journalist at all without the ability to be able to look at the world intelligently and objectively.

      Each political party has the ability to conceive of new ideas and strategy, whatever their ideological slants may be. The political process should not be to flag everything as bad just because of the party that proposed it. The Green party and Labor both have some admirable thinkers and these ideas and resources should not just be hidden away because the Australian press as a whole lean heavily to the right and therefore propagate right wing slur and propaganda instead of actually doing any real thinking, analysis and reporting.

    • Liam says:

      10:37am | 18/08/10

      Steve, i know it may be hard to believe but I’ve found kochie from Sunrise’s blog to be a pretty good, un-biased source with well thought out stuff. More than most places at least. I too would like to see more independent, balanced media rather than this.

    • Joan says:

      10:43am | 18/08/10

      `a similar glowing reference for Gillard` I`m sure there will be one on the day before election, front page,  with airbrushed pictures supermodel pictures.

    • Pete says:

      10:53am | 18/08/10

      Couldn’t you have at least brought out some sexy cheerleaders to entice our swinging votes instead of just relying on News Ltd trying to brainwash us into thinking its Tony. Tony. Tony?

      Sex sells - David Flint doesn’t…

      The Libs are so much different to Labor that I think I will be voting for Julia Abbott this Saturday.

    • dovif says:

      11:01am | 18/08/10

      I agree there should be a lot more focus on Gillard, like what does she stand for

      How much was she involved in many of the failed schemes, like Insulation and the 2-6 billion wasted in the BER

      How much was she involved in whiteanting Rudd, prior to inserting the dagger, and how much did her good friend Simon Crean helped her

      Did she back out of a deal with Rudd, when the allure of being the PM became too much

      Is she pro the internet filter,

      Did she really planned a detention centre in East Timor, without even approaching their government

      There are a lot that had not been addressed about Gillard in this election yet

    • Patrick says:

      11:30am | 18/08/10

      Steve onlineopinion.com.au is one fairly independent news source, unfortunately not quite large enough to cover enough news, but they comfortingly don’t tell you about Lindsay Lohans latest drug offence or the fact that Justin Beaver got hit by a bottle, and they manage to cover most Australian issues of merit.

    • CJ Morgan says:

      12:30pm | 18/08/10

      Patrick, onineopinion.com.au does opinion, not news - with a decidedly right-wing bias.  It’s a haven for neoliberal conservatives, and favours commentary that is AGW denialist, Islamophobic and misogynist.

      Having said that, it’s quite entertaining at times, but I certainly wouldn’t recommend it for ‘news’.

    • MK says:

      01:12pm | 18/08/10

      I’d like to see just what a ‘similar glowing reference’ for Gillard would include. I believe the media has been very much ‘Pro-Gillard’ during this campaign, if you can call it that.

      They’re very quick to paint Abbott in a less than favourable light, despite the good that no-one can deny he has done in the past. I’m not saying he’s perfect, by any means. He’s definately made some mistakes, some of them more ridiculous than others. But Gillard certainly isn’t the ‘Paragon of Virtue’ that the media seem to have portrayed of late.

    • Sam says:

      01:33pm | 18/08/10

      Reginald, regarding CM policy, it was no surprise Abbott insisted that his little ‘town hall forum’ be arranged by the CM and sky.  He knows who to rely on to get the audience mix he needs for a successful ‘slide to the election’.

    • Reggieman says:

      03:19pm | 18/08/10

      @Nick, just buy last month’s Women’s Weekly. 12 or so pages of fawning adulation. Didn’t hear any complaints from the lefties then about giving equal press to Abbott.

    • Reggieman says:

      03:20pm | 18/08/10

      @Nick, just buy last month’s Women’s Weekly. 12 or so pages of fawning adulation. Didn’t hear any complaints from the lefties then about giving equal press to Abbott.

    • Badger says:

      03:40pm | 18/08/10

      Nick,
            Here is what Gillard is all about,


        NOSTRADAMUS Predictions.

      Its always worth revisiting Nostradamus after a big event occurs.

                ——————————————————-
      Note these consecutive quatrains

                  ——————————————————————
      1. Daughter of the Dragon,


      2. Transplanted by Sea,


      3. Promised to lead a Nation,


      4. Destined to ruin a Nation.


      5. Hooded of Eye, and Red of Hair,

      6. The Cunning Lady makes the snare,


      7. The Cup is hers, and she holds it ever tight,


      8. Her Subjects fall to Poverty and to Blight.
      Don’t like that last line much!
      Nostradamus is Spot on as far as Julia Gillard is concerned….......
      Daughter of the Dragon - Have a Look at the Welsh Flag.

       

       

      Transplanted by Sea -

      Julia is born in the Welsh town of Barry by the sea. Came here at age 10.
      Promised to lead a Nation,

      Temporary PM, Put in By Unions Faceless Men.


      Destined to Ruin a Nation -

      The ETS, Mining Tax and Massive Debt, Sending Mining Companies Overseas, will cripple Australia’s Economy and will send the already struggling Poor & Middle Class into poverty!
      Hooded of Eye, and Red of Hair,

      Expressionless Face, Red Hair


      The Cunning Lady makes the snare - 

      Look at the way Julia always dodges the tough questions by bowing her brow with that fake smile and deadly snare and with cunning, always manages to Spin her way out of accountability to move onto the next question!

       

      The Cup is hers, and she holds it ever tight -
      Don’t think for a second Joolia isn’t as ruthless as the very same UNION THUGS that put her in power, and she will do and say anything to hold onto Power, for the Good of Her, not The Good of The Nation, just like Rudd.
      Nostradamus sums it up perfectly with his final summation.


      Her Subjects fall to Poverty and to Blight.
      DEEP ROOTED UNION AFFILLIATIONS that are part of her WELSH DNA.
      THINK BEFORE YOU VOTE!!

    • kris says:

      03:45pm | 18/08/10

      The mad monk was once seen on a bus and that makes him a good bloke?  Probably the time he secretly went to see Archbishop Pell for “pastoral advice”

    • Steely Dan says:

      04:53pm | 18/08/10

      @ Badger

      “Its always worth revisiting Nostradamus after a big event occurs.”
      Come on Badger, we all know it’s about the 25th season of Neighbours.

    • Hmph says:

      07:01am | 19/08/10

      I hope you’d ask for the same ‘balance’ if this piece had been about Gillard

    • Ads says:

      10:51am | 19/08/10

      Just go to http://www.abc.com.au - there’s an endless stream of Julia fawning there

    • Trajan. says:

      07:33am | 18/08/10

      You are quite right, even if a man is principled, a man of outstanding character and probity, that doesn’t make him automatically electable - a ‘shoe in’.

      It should however, count for something, if a person has moral authority then perhaps we should give it a go, it would surely make a refreshing change.

      And,  if he is an Aussie through and true, then so much the better.

    • Sam says:

      12:13pm | 18/08/10

      Trajan, ‘moral authority’ is all very well,  but actual moral values mean much more to me. I’m an athiest, but I swear I have far stronger morals than your boy, and am more ‘christian’ in my compassion for others. Maybe you remember Abbott abusing the dyng Bernie Banton. And I have never had to explain ‘if it’s not written down, I’m probably lying’.
      Not sure what you mean by ‘an Aussie through and true’, very few Aussies try to get into the priesthood. Maybe you mean he was born here? Nope, neither of our prospective leaders were.

    • Rose says:

      05:21pm | 19/08/10

      Having watched Abbott over a number of YEARS, let me say I have never seen anything remotely principled or moral about him. What I have seen is a man trying to get into power by standing on those least able to fight back.  While I’m really upset that Gillard has lowered herself to his level in many ways, I’m not convinced that she is as hard-hearted as he is.

    • meinsydney says:

      07:38am | 18/08/10

      Thank you for sharing your thoughts on, and experiences with, Tony.  You said:
      “I found from our conversations that he was tolerant and in no way sexist, racist or guilty of any of the other sins of discrimination.”

      If I believed the statement above, Tony would get my first preference vote over Labor.  However, his “we will stop the boats” chants lead me to believe he is racist and will continue to breach international law in regards to how he treats these poor people, and accordingly, will again tarnish our international reputation, which already has many from outside Australia calling us racists.

      Further, he is also anti-gay marriage…...which I would call a “sin of discrimination” even if you don’t.  If that’s not discrimination, what is?

      Further, I am still cringing from hearing his answer to the question about whether or not he’d break bread with Muslims at the Q & A the other night.  His reply that they needed to “join the team” was unnecessary, disappointing, and in my opinion, outright racist. 

      How does a compassionate fair minded voter choose between two “leaders” who are apparently promoting discrimination against minority groups…..so sad that Australia has come to this.

    • Sally M says:

      09:23am | 18/08/10

      labor is equally anti - gay marriage.

      There is not the slightest hint that Labor would be more likely than the Liberals to grant recognised and celebrated union to same sex couples.

      Both parties need to be brought to account on that score.

    • Tedd says:

      09:26am | 18/08/10

      Tony’s stance on abortion could be describes as more than “discouraging” after he baulked at introducing RU486 when Health Minister.  Now what and who might have influenced that?

    • dale says:

      09:32am | 18/08/10

      Why shouldnt and people from any background come to the table when they migrate to Australia?

      Should we just divide the country up and give it to different people?
      There is a difference between being given a fair go and letting people walk all over you

    • Kathrine Grant says:

      09:45am | 18/08/10

      Kathadelaide.
      Well said Meinsydney.  The apparent lack of humanity and compassion from both sides of politics makes me strongly tempted to vote for the Greens.

    • meinsydney says:

      09:53am | 18/08/10

      SallyM,

      I totally agree re Labor’s position on gay marriage and that both parties need to be brought to account.  I don’t want Abbott or Gillard leading our country and am distressed that I will be forced to preference one over the other.  Saturday will be a sad day for Australia, no matter what the result.

    • meinsydney says:

      09:57am | 18/08/10

      dale,

      Did you or your family “join the team” of Aboriginals that lived here before us?  Was that a requirement for you moving here or being accepted here?  Or do you somehow think you and your family are superior to the migrants now wanting to settle in Australia?

    • The Scarlet Pimpernel says:

      10:14am | 18/08/10

      meinsydney

      you really should read what Abbott says. he has a great deal of sympathy for asylum seekers (more than I, since I think they are both cowards for leaving their own country and opportunists wanting what we have worked for, but for nothing).

      There is also the fact that war is over in Sri Lanka and the country is being rebuilt. We should not be accepting people from there who should be home helping that effort. Even the UN High Commission for Refugees talks about people returning home to Sri Lanka ‘‘post conflict’’ (http://www.unhcr.org/4c657ec69.html). Those that are coming here now are economic leeches.

    • Joan says:

      11:05am | 18/08/10

      With regards to Q&A there was nothing in what Abbott said that was cringeworthy in reply to Muslim based question. In fact I thought the person asking question a rude, selfish person out for what he can get out of this country., without giving back. ... he didn’t say that he thanked Australian government for being given a home, to live under the same laws that apply to each citizen, he didn’t say what contribution he can give to Australia. Anyone that comes to live in Australia must become a team player , the immediate post World War 2 immigrant , they came, they worked, no handouts, became a part of the team that is Australia and helped to build the Australia it is today, - they didn’t whinge and whine like this lot as the man on Q&A

    • MarK says:

      11:10am | 18/08/10

      “Now what and who might have influenced that? ”

      Oh I don’t know.

      Stuff like the welfare of the unborn child. It really can’t make the call can it?

      Concerns that the mother might be pressured into “taking the easy way out” since surgery is not required.

      Black market pill selling operations.

      You know little things like that.

      I am sure there are more.

      Not everything has to be cast in the narrative of “get your rosaries off my ovaries” vacuous bullshit.
      What is seriously wrong with expecting migrants to “join the team” aka becoming Australian and supporting a Australian way of life? That is a bizarre thought.

    • sal says:

      11:30am | 18/08/10

      @The Scarlet Pimpernel,
      Just to digress for a moment (as you are prone to do) I want to congratulate you on having the foresight to plan to be born Australian.  Good work.  This must automatically make you soooo brave and I’m sure not in the least opportunistic.

    • dovif says:

      12:10pm | 18/08/10

      You speak of stopping the boats is a bad thing, there is a few issue at stake here
      a. people are drowning in these unseaworthy over crowded boat, so stopping the boat is a good thing
      b. you speak of the obligation to accept refugee, but these refugees are from Indonesia, where they had already been accepted, but these people want to pay smugglers to get them into Australia
      c. Why should it be a user pay system, if you can pay a smuggler to get you to Australia, you get to go to Australia, if you cannot you wait in Indonesia and might end up in Fuji. New Zealand etc. I see no reason why the rich refugee should get preferential treatment
      I think stopping the boat is the humane and equitable thing to do

    • meinsydney says:

      12:24pm | 18/08/10

      Joan,

      Do you thank the Australian government for giving you a home here?  If not, why not?  Or do you only expect Muslims to do that?

      Have you and your family assimilated with the Aboriginals?  If not, why not?  And if not, why do you criticise those that want to also maintain some of their own culture when they migrate here?  Do you think Christians are superior?  Do you admire Hitler?
      Why do you assume he is out for what he can get from this country?  Is it because you are the same way or because he is Muslim, so you think it’s ok to generalize in that way?

      Would you want a prime minister that was not accepting of Christians (which I assume you are)?  Or do you think you should thank a non-Christian leader for allowing you and your family to live here because you are Christian?

    • Sam says:

      12:30pm | 18/08/10

      @Sally M. Yes, both parties are currently against same sex marriage, but when it does happen in Australia, you can be assured it will happen under a Labor government, just not yet.
      I’m equally confident that one day I will get my wish, ‘voluntary euthenasia’, which also will never happen under the libs.

    • meinsydney says:

      12:37pm | 18/08/10

      dovif,

      If they were genuine in wanting to stop the boats, they’d set up processing centers in places like Afghanistan rather than East Timor or Nauru.  I doubt very much the asylum seekers will be flying to those countries, or do you think boats sent to Nauru don’t sink???

      As for your claim that rich refugees come here on boats, you might want to do some basic research.  Far more illegal immigrants come by plane every year (I believe it is about 50 000)....that is how the “rich” ones come.  Do you think we should start locking up, or perhaps send to Nauru, all persons arriving on tourist visas?  Wouldn’t that make more sense than locking up the relatively small number that come by boats?  How do you propose these people get to Indonesia and/or New Zealand….is our government going to buy them plane tickets or are you happy for them to travel to those places by boat, and are just being sarcastic when you claim you are concerned about them drowning? 

      Or is it because the illegal ones arriving by plane are more likely to be white that you have become obsessed with the ones arriving by boat?  At least the ones arriving by boat are processed and when out in the community have to pay taxes and the like.  The ones arriving by plane work under the table, don’t pay tax, and use our infrastructure for free.

      Are you seriously suggesting Indonesia, with it’s third world status and with a far larger population than Australia on a far smaller land mass should really be burdened with refugees because we Australians, who live a privileged life in comparison, are too selfish to allow them here?

    • MK says:

      01:22pm | 18/08/10

      @Sam. I’d really like to know what makes you think that marriage equality will happen under a labor government in particular. Because to my knowledge there are candidates from both parties who support the idea. And there are leaders from both who have rejected the idea. Gillard has been most direct in her belief of marriage being between a man and a woman.

      I’m not trying to be hostile, I’m really just curious.

    • Robert Smissen, rural SA, God's own country says:

      01:24pm | 18/08/10

      I must of watched a different Q& A to you, when he was asked about breaking bread with Muslims on my TV he said he’d already done that.

    • Sam says:

      01:27pm | 18/08/10

      Scarlet, Thanks for the link, it confirmed what I had suspected.  “Overall, there are 146,098 Sri Lankan refugees in 64 countries with the majority in India. Sri Lankan refugees in other countries are also starting to express interest to UNHCR offices about returning home voluntarily”.  I believe most current refugees are from Afghanistan, not Sri lanka. Last I heard, there is still a war in Afg.
      You are quite right though, they are cowards, imaging not wanting to be forever ducking bullets.
      The fact that Afghan peasants have scrimped and saved to get enough money together to buy their sons or daughtersa ride on a rickety, unseaworthy boat to freedom in no way softens my heart towards them.

    • Derek says:

      01:35pm | 18/08/10

      meinsydney the boat people issue is not about accepting refugees, it is about rewarding queue jumpers. NO ONE has said anything about reducing refugee intake, as long as our policies reward people for these actions they will keep trying. There are plenty of legitimate refugees that go through the correct process.

      How is being anti-gay marriage discriminatory, marriage has always been between a man and woman, nothing stops them living as legal partners why should the definition of marriage change to suit them.

    • dovif says:

      01:59pm | 18/08/10

      MEINSYD

      Actually if you had done your research, you would know that a flight from Indonesia $500, would cost loss than paying a smuggler (thousands)  to get you to Australia

      However you would need a passport and a visa, which you will need to state your intention.

      And you would not be able to get in without your passport

    • jf says:

      01:59pm | 18/08/10

      His comments about Muslims were rascist?

      First of all, Islam (the religion of Muslims) is a religion. Muslims are Asian, Arab, Anglo, African and more.

      So, having agreed that his comments were in relation to religion and not race, how would you respond to the blatant anti-catholic comments made by Abbot’s opponents. How would you respond to those not prepared to elect him because he is a Catholic.

      Surely not voting for someone on the basis of their religion is more bigoted than requiring Australian citizens, regardless of their religion, to live within the laws of the country.

      Keep in mind also, there were a number of high profile ultra-conservative christians refused entry to Australia because they didn’t meet the criteria. It is not unreasonable to expect all citizens to obey the law whether they are Christian, muslim, jew, hindu, black, white or brindle. I would wager that there are many more white christians in our jails for breaking the laws than any other group. No-one is or should be exempt. 

      On the topic of gay marriage, which I support, I am far more comfortable with Abbott’s stance than Gillards. After all, Abbott’s stance is based on prinicple. Gillard’s is base political expediency. Also, marriage or not, it was the Howard Government that has introduced more legislation in regards to the rights and recognition of gay relationships than any other Australian Government. The Rudd/Gillard Government has done absolutely nothing.

    • dale says:

      02:01pm | 18/08/10

      meinsydney so do you think we should become nomadic people and roam around. The “Aboriginal people” are loose nomadic tribes and not one people.

      I have not one problem with the past at all. I am sick of people saying the Aboriginal tribes own australia? where did they come from? do they have a seperate cradle of civilisation to all other human beings?

      I believe that people see Australia as a great country with plenty of opportunity. If people want to move to Australia for a better life then i am more then happy for them.

      It comes down to personal experience and beliefs, some cultures believe in female circumsision, Honor killings… I dont think these things belong in Australia…

      But the best thing about Australia is each to there own. call me racist if you want (i am a caucasion male in my mid 20’s so anything i say is racist, i could never be racially vilified or discriminated against)

    • Joan says:

      02:49pm | 18/08/10

      Everday I feel blessed that I live in this country, I don’t take anything for granted,  There are different ways of saying thank you, its not always in words, its by doing and the face you present. The man on Q&A - his body language was not friendly, he could have started with a positive then followed with question, he didn’t… it was just about him and his grudge. I only speak of the man because you brought it up, I haven’t been stewing about him or given him second thought until you twisted the interaction between him and Abbott. I genuinely feel sorry and saddened for the plight Aboriginals find themselves in their own land, and from what I have read Noel Pearson may have a place in the Abbott team if Abbott is elected which is positive. If I chose to live in aboriginal area I would learn more about them ... I have an interest in the spiritual aspect to their lives/stories ....their spiritual connection to the land ... I can relate to it….anytime I go bush walking, outback I can feel the postive energy of being there and Uluru natures spiritual heart of Australia should be kept sacred.. no visitors clambering over it…. in small ways we can show each other that we are trying to understand and learn through the experience to feel it too…. Christians don’t believe in perfection, but forgiveness, they certainly don`t think they are superior, no talk about infidels from them . And what does Hitler have to do with things today in Australia? Keep to the point.

    • meinsydney says:

      07:14pm | 18/08/10

      dovif,

      Last I checked you need more than $500 to fly from Indonesia to here…you also need a passport and a tourist visa.  Not something every peasant in a war ravaged country can easily obtain.  And why are you talking about Indonsia?  We are not talking about Indonesian refugees.

    • meinsydney says:

      07:16pm | 18/08/10

      Robert,

      That was only the beginning of his answer.  You obviously missed the latter part where he qualified it and talked about them needing to become part of the team.

    • meinsydney says:

      07:41pm | 18/08/10

      jf,

      I totally agree with your views on gay marriage and your thoughts on Tony and Julia’s “positions” re same.  I was very disappointed when Julia made it known she opposed it….given she’s aethiest and living in a de facto relationship, it made no sense to me, other than to demonstrate she’s willing to stoop to Tony’s level and lower to achieve power.  And in my opinion, she’s done the same with the boat people.  Until I heard Abbott’s comments to the Muslim, he was going to get a preference over Julia from me.  Now, I’m not so sure.  I was equally disturbed by his comments as I was by Julia’s.  I so wish we had better options.

      As for whether or not he is “racist” in relation to Muslims, your point is taken re it being a religion.  As for us expecting people of all religions not to commit crimes, I agree.  What offended me was that he felt it necessary to say that to the man in answer to his question.  He could have left it with “of course I would break bread with them, I already have”.  He wouldn’t have made that comment if the man was of Christian background.  And I work in the criminal justice system, and I can assure you, true blue white Christian Aussies are very well represented in there. 

      If hte government is truly concerned about the numbers from illegal immigration, they should better patrol entries by air.  Apparently approximately 50 000 who enter by plane each year stay on as illegals.  They are a huge drain on us….work under the table, take jobs from Aussies, don’t pay tax, use our resources and infrastructure without contributing in any way.  But most of them are white and from wealthy countries…so is that why we pick on the poor ones, risking their lives to escape war ravaged countries?  Why the uproar of 2 or 3 thousand entries that way per year, yet seemingly ignoring the 50 000 illegal mostly white peoplefrom wealthy countries who enter and stay illegally every year?  I’d rather see those people cracked down on…..they don’t need us like the refugees do.

    • meinsydney says:

      08:18pm | 18/08/10

      Derek says:12:35pm | 18/08/10
      How is being anti-gay marriage discriminatory, marriage has always been between a man and woman, nothing stops them living as legal partners why should the definition of marriage change to suit them.
      ———————————————————————————————————————-
      It has always been between a man and a woman here in Australia, but not elsewhere.  Canada’s had it for over a decade now, and many other countries also have it.

      So, based on your logic I assume you believe that segregation in the USA also wasn’t discriminatory, simply because it had always been that way?  It didn’t matter how long they discriminated against blacks, it was still discrimination, and it’s the same re homosexuals….doesn’t matter how long they’ve been discriminated against, it’s still discrimination.

    • jf says:

      09:41am | 19/08/10

      meinsydney says

      Your points about illegal immigrants coming in by air are well taken.

      However, they are travelling in safe vessels and are not desperate.

      Those coming in by boats are desperate and are dying.

      The people smugglers must be stopped.

    • Jim says:

      10:13am | 06/09/10

      How do concerns about border security, and a wish to stop the illegal trade of humans by people smugglers, suggest racism? Put the bong down meinsydney, and grow a brain. Secondly, Abbott is not against legally recognising same sex couples the same way married couples are recognised. He does have a problem with calling it “marriage”, just as a majority of people do. In a politically correct world gone mad there needs to be SOME labels held sacred. What will the loony lefties demand next? Non-gender specific terms for mum and dad so as not to upset the poor kids adopted by gay couples??

    • Peter says:

      07:38am | 18/08/10

      It probably reflects on the gullibility of the Australian voting public that Tony Abbot,having been maligned by the Labor Party and others, will, sadly, be penalised for his frankness.
      The stark reality is, that in politics, truthfulness is not rewarded.
      You are quite correct in saying that if Tony Abbott was on the left side of politics, the media would be effusive in their praise for him.

    • Bruce says:

      11:08am | 18/08/10

      Peter: Agree. Particularly if Tony Abbott was a labor politician. Labor would be bombarding the airwaves about his athletic abilities, his image as an average aussie bloke who is highly inteligent, extremely well educated economist and Oxford scollar, and an outdoor, god fearing, athletic iron man which would represent all things good about Australia. But hey, this is politics, leaders are fair game for any smear campaigne, particularly if you have many qualities that people are envious of. Julia must have some qualities that can be maligned ? Just what those qualities are I am not sure. Maybe someone can list them !

    • Joan says:

      11:18am | 18/08/10

      Gillard, and Labor .... the classic case of less than the full truth… launch speech without notes actually speech with a pile of notes on lectern as seen in the `Australian`  today…. total deceit… and the lectern looks like it has had extra height of white board added to it to hide and deceive ie audience can’t see pages turned.  The knifing of Rudd the manipulative language to excuse and justify…... at core the Labor people show up to be not very nice people.

    • dash says:

      04:44pm | 18/08/10

      dale 101pm…you need to do some homework champ Aboriginal people do not belong to one tribe and are only nomadic on their specific cultural lands, being a caucasion male in your mid 20’s in one of the worlds finest education system you should no that…but alas the point of mainstream australia integrating in Aboriginal culture, Australias original traditional culture and thus creating a contemporary traditional culture seems to be lost on you and most others, but what would i know im a 30 something Aboriginal and apparently by your email not welcome in your australia…cheers champ

    • GreekSnake says:

      05:09pm | 19/08/10

      Dash - Who cares?

      Why is the plight of the conquered race always brought forward when talking about current day immigrants?  Your people were treated cruelly and as “the enemy” to civilisation. The way the newcomers saw things, right or wrong, is now history. It is irrelevant. Would I have done things differently? Yes.  But that is the wisdom portrayed in hindsight.

      Your people might have been treated unfairly but they were on the bad end of an invasion. The loss cost them their lands and their ways of life. We see plenty trying to live a hybrid version, the old ways of the land combined with booze and drugs and it doesn’t work. You can’t half assimilate. You either do or you don’t.

      The problem we face is we aren’t sure that today’s newcomers are going to half assimilate or not at all. Especially those with beliefs in stark contrast to our laws and culture.

      Today’s immigrants coming illegaly by boat, are jumping the queue. We have a great country by global standards and that is why so many want in. Why do those who face tougher circumstances get preference playing the humanity card? They shouldn’t. Wait your turn, there is a system. As for those country shoppers, might as well shoot the boats down for all I care. If you have a decent place to live, don’t move just because you found a cheap deal on a shoddy boat.

    • Housewife49 says:

      07:42am | 18/08/10

      Oh dear me. A puff piece. At the last gasp,  all pretending of policy debate abandoned, a puff piece and a rather icky fawning one at that.

      Lets’s look at some policy instead then.

      No debt, thunders that Abbott person.

      Ah yes. After a global crisis, we have federal debt down at about 5%.  But no matter. What is his policy?  He’ll raise bonds to pay for infrastructure.

      Goodness! How novel. Bonds. I may take some.

      Bonds of course, are Government debt! Rather cute, isn’t it! Just a quick rename and debt, it seems, is really OK after all.

      Well, poor silly man, in moderation of course it is. It was all along. In moderation. Cannot for the life of me think of anything much more moderate than 5% of our economy, to get us out of serious trouble. Many people have been saying so, too.

      Speaking of our economy, I’ll keep looking and thinking for myself. The rather thunderous blunderings of that Abbott and Hockey really don’t sit very well with the way things were and are now. 

      As my dear husband suggested to me long ago, I like to read the clear headed view of Mr Gittins in the Herald every morning. Very bracing. He dishes it out pretty even handedly, and well written too.

      Today’s piece, on debt, spending and “waste”, is an absolute corker. Went down well with the toast and marmalade!  Perhaps some of you too would like to read it and think again before you vote.
      http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/labor-deserves-some-credit-not-death-at-the-ballot-box-20100817-128at.html

      Now, pets, don’t waste your time or mine being rude again to one little old woman, just because you don’t like the way I’ve made up my mind . It makes you modern Liberals look really very bad indeed -  and I know, because I pass these columns around pretty freely!  Grey power you know.

      Though I should really say silver-power, shouldn’t I? Bye bye!

    • Texas Millionaire says:

      10:06am | 18/08/10

      Your send off to not be rebuked is amazingly Labor of you. Don’t dare suggest I’m wrong just buy my lies… and that is all your response contains.

      You talk about debt as though it doesn’t matter and refer to it as 5%. You have clearly bought the Labor lie. The actual debt relative to government income is 25% and since it is the government that is doing the borrowing, that is all that matters. If you want to use the whole GDP figure then you have to include all private sector debt which increases the actual debt amount to 50% of GDP. That’s 10 times what you claim and all for what - to avoid a recession that never hit, but spooked the government enough for it to waste all your money and then some. On this issue, the ALP is weak, but they are selling the lie well and the stupid have lapped it up.

      As for the bonds issue, you clearly do not know what you are talking about. We are not talking about government bonds, we are talking private sector investment bonds underwritten by the private sector and made more attractive by taxation incentives from government. It actually decreases government debt rather than increases it. Your view on this could not be further from the truth, but that doesn’t matter because your a rusted on believer.

      And Ross Gittins - seriously - his allegience to the Labor party is well-known. In fact, when I was studying economics at university several professors said that Gittens was Australia’s least informed and least reliable economics journalist precisely because his bias outweighed his logic.

      And don’t bother coming back at any of this because i have facts on my side and all you have is lies. The fact that you’ve been so mentally ill-equipped that you’ve bought Labor’s drivel means that you are their core constituency. And don’t get me started on the Greens. If Labor is dumb, then the Greens are dumber.

    • Housewife49 says:

      10:37am | 18/08/10

      Just say everything you don’t like or don’t understand is a “lie” and everything will suddenly be OK, will it? But it won’t, pet, will it?

      Luckily, there are plenty of sensible people, in finance and in economics, here and overseas, who have a better grip on things.

      Mr Gittins, for example, who is quite able to dish it out to either side, when he thinks they’ve got it wrong.

      I’d rather think about what people like him have to say, thank you all the same.

    • Phil says:

      10:41am | 18/08/10

      Texas if Australia was eventually faced with a Greek or American problem and had to cut expenses considerably, then the writer above Housewife 49 would complain and go off if her pension was reduced, or her housing commission home taken from her assuming she had these things. Maybe she worked hard and is self sufficient in retirement, but somehow labor voter and self reliance are an oxymoron.

    • Housewife49 says:

      11:16am | 18/08/10

      Well, goodness me, yet another rude person.  Being rude doesn’t make either of you right, you know!

      And when you dont know about something, you just make it up! Not really very sensible, pet. Never mind.  You’ve time to learn better.

      I’m a busy bee today - bye bye!

    • Freeman says:

      11:34am | 18/08/10

      Housewife49.
      a) this is a piece about Tony’s character and how it is not represented in what passes for TV coverage. save your policy rants for the appropriate thread.
      b) is the old lady thing an act? you seem to throw in the odd cliche’ for effect,

    • Andy W says:

      11:58am | 18/08/10

      @ Texas
      Net private debt is actually at 60% of GDP and has been since before Labor were elected, so I am not sure what your point is there.
      And yes the commonly used measure of government debt is the debt/GDP ratio, if you want to change the measure to make it look bigger by comparing debt to government revenue it is still the same size in proportion to other governments debt.
      Joe Hockey said last week the budget deficits would have roughly the same no matter who was in power due to 110 billion in government revenue write-downs over the last three years, so you are flogging a dead horse.

    • kp says:

      01:13pm | 18/08/10

      Housewife49 is exactly what I despise in a Labor person.  Sheer rudeness, arrogance, lack of intelligence and vision.  It is so sad that we have so many of these sorts of immature people in our society.  It was an honest piece on Tony Abbott FOR ONCE.  My goodness me luvvy, how many has Julia had.  It has been one of the most Labor media bias (oh and the last one as well with Kevvie 07) campaigns I have ever seen.  Give Tony a break.  He hasn’t had any yet !!!!

    • KH says:

      02:03pm | 18/08/10

      kp - there has not been a liberal leader with ‘vision’ in my lifetime of over 40 years.  Abbott is not a visionary - he is a cheap nasty clone of John Howard.  Only way dumber.

    • Jim says:

      10:27am | 06/09/10

      KH - I’m not so sure about any Liberal leader in your lifetime lacking vision…unless of course you’re 3. There’s no doubt that every Labor leader in MY lifetime has had vision, no question about that…unfortunately they get lost in grandiose visions and inevitably screw up the economy. So in comes a Liberal government to patch things up and get the country back on track, everyone becomes affluent (except teh no hopers who won’t get off their arse). Then the next generation comes through, full of ideologies pushed on them by washed up, left wing lecturers. They are bedazzled by the Labor celebrity band wagon and around we go again.

    • Brian Taylor says:

      07:44am | 18/08/10

      Not such if my first comment got posted if not here ges.
      Finally we get to hear about a differnet side of Tony, and if True, then Australians need not FEAR him as so many have stated in the papers (but I think they are dyed in the wool labor suporters anyway)
      I think it’s time for some hope and change ourselves, time to let Tony prove himself, if at the end of 3 years, he’s proved to be as false as Julia has turned out to be, then vote him out of office, simple.
      I’m a kiwi who has lived here for over 45 years and while I love the fact the All Blacks flogged the Aussies, I care about the place I’ve chosen to live and die in.
      Can we afford 3 years of Tony? who knows, but I do know that we can’t afford another 3 years of Julia and her (now gang of two) her and swanie.
      If Tony proves to be as false as Julia has turned out to be, then get rid of him until we find someone we can trust, maybe, just maybe Tony might prove to be the real deal after all.
      We’ll know in 4 nights what Austalia decides and I hope they chose wisely.
      Three years ago, they didn’t and look what we finished up with…think about it people.

    • Stephen McDonald says:

      07:45am | 18/08/10

      Tony is a good man. He has my vote.

    • Reg says:

      05:49pm | 18/08/10

      Tony is a good man.  He still does not have my vote.

    • dead to me says:

      07:58am | 18/08/10

      Believe or not I feel I can trust Tony. A family man, a non-back stabber and clearly someone who has Australian values. Mind you he isn’t perfect but look at Gillard and how she got the job, how she has not progressed in the last 6 weeks (not one impressive policy idea) and that articifal personality (the real vs unreal Julia).  And I find it funny the current TV ads on how basic living will go up under a Lib government, in the last 3 years grocery, water, electricity and private health insurance (thanks Roxon) have all gone up considerably under a Labor government. Australia needs to realise that Labor and Gillard haven’t done a good job and they won’t.

    • Bobster says:

      11:07am | 18/08/10

      How was that last Young Liberals meeting?

    • Hamish says:

      02:35pm | 18/08/10

      Bobster, I’m fascinated. Dead to me has written a very cogent summary of his/her thoughts. Everything he/she has said is true. If you don’t believe them to be, I assume you would have rebutted the actual points.

      So I’m wondering, what is your comment meant to achieve? If dead to me is a Young Liberal, why does that mean anything? It doesn’t make his/her points any less valid, it just makes you look incapable of rebutting them. Young Liberals are still eligible to vote, you know.

      Bobster, I’m a member of Geelong Football Club, does that make my views on the AFL irrelevent?

    • Bobster says:

      02:47pm | 18/08/10

      @ Hamish

      It is relevant because at this stage the activity of the Young Liberals online during this campaign is as close to established fact as one gets during an election campaign.

      And I fail to see how his unsubstantiated claims are relevant in the slightest. Every allegation could have been equally levelled against the Howard Government. The NBN/Health announcement is very significant (unless you live in an affluent suburb).

      Basically, I’ve got a little bit annoyed with the recent frantic tone of the Young Liberals efforts on here and have decided I shall point it out at every opportunity. When one does not declare one’s allegiance, it is reasonable to speculate - especially given dead to me’s consistency.

    • Against the Man says:

      04:49pm | 18/08/10

      I’m not a Young Liberal but I agree with dtm because what he says makes sense. Labor/Gillard have not done a good job, if they worked for me and performed the way they did, they would be so fired!

    • Bobster says:

      05:06pm | 18/08/10

      @ Against the man,

      That’s probably true in some cases, but I’d be equally as sure that Abbott would have been done for gross negligence if he behaved the way he did as health minister if he was a hospital administrator.

    • JF says:

      06:19pm | 19/08/10

      “:Abbott would have been done for gross negligence if he behaved the way he did as health minister if he was a hospital administrator. “

      In relation to what exactly Bobster? My father, a doctor for 45 years (in private practice) and my wife, a nurse for 23 years (with the public system) both agree that he was a first class Health Minister

      Perhaps you could put some meat on the bones of your accusation.

    • HarlequinBeetle says:

      07:58am | 18/08/10

      Committed, principled and loyal:  even the garbage collector needs these attributes.  Australia’s PM needs to intelligent, have commonsense and vision.
      TAbbott has not given us any hint that he has these qualities.

    • Anthony of WA says:

      10:16am | 18/08/10

      And Gillards has? If she has which one was it?

    • Macca says:

      10:27am | 18/08/10

      @HB, He is a Rhodes Scholar so he is definitely intelligent. And if you want Vision read his book Battlelines (get it from the Library if you are reluctant to help pay his Mortgage). As for Common Sense, I think you throw that away when you decide to become a politician

    • Joan says:

      11:31am | 18/08/10

      Gillard`s vision ....I can be a supermodel too.  Some people make it to `The Time` cover, airbrushed Julia in designer rig-out makes it to Womens Weekly cover

    • Phil says:

      08:08am | 18/08/10

      From what I have heard from some friends that actually know the real Tony, he is like you say a good bloke. The sort that if he were not in politics, many who come across his path would call a friend, and a friendship to be treasured.

      That he is fit and very healthy can only serve as a bonus, less down time, and an active body usually means an active mind.

      I dont expect rusted on labor voters to acknowledge this fact, but they would actually love someone in their corner with the same values, principals, morals and standing.

      That labor thought that a popularly elected PM could be torn down and assasinated at midnight, shows the respect they have for the office of PM. If the focus groups say Julia is not cutting through then we will have someone else sooner. Dont think so, just ask Morris Iemma, Nathan Rees etc etc.

      The contrasts between those putting themselves up for the highest office in the land are obvious to anyone with half a brain.

    • iansand says:

      08:11am | 18/08/10

      A ringing endorsement from David Flint.  That will certainly sway a lot of voters.  Not necessarily in the direction that Mr Abbott may want.

    • Rob r Charteris says:

      08:14am | 18/08/10

      Well that was a waste of data, I got about three paragraphs in before it got too warm and cuddly I was about vomit. I’m surprised Mr Flint you didn’t ask him to marry you, but that would be again not so elitist morals. I don’t think I have read a more conceited dribble apart from the odd snivelling lib supporter on this site. Why is it old people are so desperate to hang on to a monarchy that does nothing for us except come for and overpriced tax payer holiday once they remember they’re meant to be our head of state, it’s about time the PM of this country lopped her head off.

    • Joe Blow says:

      09:04am | 18/08/10

      Whereas JuLIAR is so passionate about getting rid of the monarchy that she’ll just wait for someone to die ... now there’s a committed Republican. 

      Just as committed as she was to Kevin Rudd as his deputy, as committed as she is to Climate Change and to consulting with Cabinet ... a true Labor pollie of conviction!

    • Richard says:

      09:42am | 18/08/10

      So you couldn’t read it Rob? The truth doesn’t sit will with your preconceived prejudice? I think just about everyone (except gullible brainwashed Labour groupies) is starting to realise that Abbott is not the baby-eating psychopath you’ve tried to paint him as Rob, but infact the right man with the right credentials for the job of PM.

      It is instructive though to see you views about the Queen, namely that she should be murdered because she had the audacity to be born as the first child in a royal family, a role which mind you she has conducted with dignity and gravitas. Her very presence as an instution does so much for the stability of our system, and keeps ultimate power out of the hands of politicians, for which we should all be very grateful for considering the demonstrable oppurtunistic moral bankrupt-ness of Labor politicians like Bill Shorten, Wayne Swan and Julia Gillard.

    • MarK says:

      11:22am | 18/08/10

      I love how people criticise without knowledge.

      If I don’t like it I won’t read it. I mean really?

      Gawd I feel like calling Godwin’s Law but it is too easy to do in this case.

      Rob you really, really need to get out more mate and embrace other perspectives. It will make your own clearer. You seem to just hate out of a duty to hate.

    • Skippy says:

      08:17am | 18/08/10

      Mr Flint, I applaud you! Thankyou for giving us further insight to a decent would be PM. Kerry O’Brien did his level best to dig up dirt on Mr Abbott last night, and I think he handled exceptionally Kerry well.
      I’m not ashamed to say that I voted for Tony Abbott yesterday. Why? I’m sure so many would ask. The reason is simple, I want a PM, that represents the many great fundamentals that this country is founded on. Not someone that doesn’t seem to have any core moral fibre, or loyalty.

    • Rosie says:

      08:23am | 18/08/10

      Tony Abbott is what you see is what you get. He has moulded himself into the position he doesn’t take for granted. Good Luck Tony! If you don’t win this time we are still very proud of you and your team and yours will be 2013. We never thought you would get this far, you knocked off Rudd and now Julia Gillard is so scared out of her wits of losing because she only has one thing on her mind and that is not to be an appointed 3 month wonder PM.

      I saw on Paul Murray last night that Julia Gillard at the Labor launch didn’t speak off the cuff like she wanted the Australian people to believe it came from the heart. Old codgers Bob Hawke & Bill Hayden couldn’t wait to tell the media how impressed they were and haven’t seen anyone speak that long without notes. Thank you to the smart cameraman that darted around while she was in full embrace with her boyfriend and took photos of the pages of notes that she tried to hide and managed to only put away one page.

      Sorry it may seem a small thing but that is one of the many reasons I just don’t trust Julia Gillard.

      Australians will just have to learn the hard way if Julia Gillard wins!

    • steve parker says:

      08:35am | 18/08/10

      For me it is not about personalities.

      This election, the Labor Government asks us to reflect on their claim of being superior economic managers in the delivery of sound national programs. In undertaking this process four young people repeatedly come to my mind; Matthew Fuller aged 25, Rueben Barnes, 16, Marcus Wilson 19 and Mitchell Sweeney aged 22. You may not remember their names, but all four died during Labor’s term in office.

      These young men didn’t die fighting terrorism in Afghanistan or during the devastating bushfires in Victoria; they tragically died fitting insulation in ceilings, a part of Labor’s home insulation scheme. What I cannot forgive, and will never forget is how this Rudd-Gillard Government attempted, and continues to attempt to evade all moral, political and legal blame for a poorly conceived program lacking ministerial supervision, a program Peter Garrett described as being “very successful” despite four untimely deaths and hundreds of house fires.

      I have just one vote. This Saturday I will not be voting for a Labor government or any political party that passes on preferences to the Labor Party. This coming Saturday I will be remembering those four young workers and their families. When you place your vote, perhaps you might do the same.

    • Skippy says:

      08:54am | 18/08/10

      So very true Steve, however as we all know too well, labor are very keen to let Australia forget this tragic and entirely unnecessary disaster - I and I’m sure so many Australians, particularly those devastated family members cannot forget… and Labor claim that Abbott is a risk!
      In the memory of those who tragically died under Labors term, don’t forget Australia what incompetence this Government is capable of, do they really deserve another shot at it?

    • Rob r Charteris says:

      08:58am | 18/08/10

      steve parker says:07:35am; What a rant of dribble, it was their bosses WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE for OH&S, why are some people so stupid in regards to this. If it was the government then why are they companies involved being taken to court, answer that one eh’

    • Jeremy says:

      08:58am | 18/08/10

      Rubbish. Those men died because of dodgy unregulated businesses. Unfortunately, the Liberals believe much less in the sort of regulation that would’ve saved their lives than Labor.

      If you want to make sure that workers like these four young men are less likely to be killed or injured at work, vote against the party of big business and low regulation, the Liberal Party, and the smaller parties like Fundamentalists First that preference it.

    • Rosie says:

      09:25am | 18/08/10

      Oh my gosh! Thank you steve parker! I have tears in my eyes as I write this because of the way you have put it. I shed tears everytime I hear the death of one of our brave Afghan soldiers but always lighten up when we hear from the families that these soldiers died doing what they love.

      Natural disasters are out of human control and happens everywhere though always very sad when there are loss of lives. At the moment it is the Pakistan Floods.

      What chance did Mathew Fuller, Rueben Barnes, Marcus Wilson and Mitchell Sweeney have?????? Like all of us these young Australians had to be employed for a wage to survive. Perhaps if we had better Labor fair work policies the deaths of 4 innocent men would have been prevented.  Their ages ranged from 16 to 25 and 16 year old Reuben Barnes and 19 Marcus Wilson weren’t even eligible to vote in 2007 when the Rudd Govt came into power.

      Tony Abbott and the Libs have had everything thrown at them by Julia Gillard and the Labor Robotic Machine to get the desperate Gillard over the line. If Tony Abbott wasn’t a man of strong principles he could have used the death of these 4 innocent Australians for his political gains.

    • Duff says:

      10:23am | 18/08/10

      Yes, Steve, and while we are at it we should also blameTony Abbott and the Liberals for any deaths that occurred at Hospitals while he was Health Minister.  Fair enough?

    • The Scarlet Pimpernel says:

      10:50am | 18/08/10

      Rob r Charteris

      some of those ‘businesses’ were not even registered. Some were not even run by Australian citizens, just shonky foreigners looking to cash in on the ALP’s lack of oversight. Hard to say, then, that they should have followed our OH&S legislation.

      No, the blame for this lies with the Rudd-Gillard Labor Government. In typical ALP fashion, they came up with a brainwave and instead ofthinking it through, rushed to implement it. Thus it has been since the days of Gough, one of Gillard’s heroes, and thus it will always be with the ALP.

      You and your ilk cheapen the lives of these young Australians by your language and refusal to accept the truth.

    • iansand says:

      11:04am | 18/08/10

      Oversight and licensing of tradespeople is a State responsibility.

    • Peter says:

      11:51am | 18/08/10

      @The Scarlet Pimpernel
      You say: “Some were not even run by Australian citizens, just shonky foreigners looking to cash in on the ALP’s lack of oversight.”

      Please enlighten me which law requires me to be an Australian citizen before I can run a business.  Furthermore, please enlighten me by which logic you arrive at “not Australian citizen”=“shonky foreigner”, aside from the obvious.

      And beyond that, I have yet to see anyone place any blame on us, the consumer.  What of personal resonsibility?  What of making sure you get what you paid for?  Why would I hand over cash, even someone else’s cash, for a “shonky” job?

    • MarK says:

      12:27pm | 18/08/10

      Duff says:

        09:23am | 18/08/10

        ”  Yes, Steve, and while we are at it we should also blameTony Abbott and the Liberals for any deaths that occurred at Hospitals while he was Health Minister.  Fair enough?”

      Errr no Duff. The analogy does not work.

      Tony Abbott did not toss billions of dollars at people to go get elective surgery and then decide to let anyone that could hang a shingle do an operation.

      He did not allow “one quote fits all operation” pricing.

      He did not allow no supervision or advisory board be on oversight for the actions of the people drawn into the industry.

      He did not allow practitioners to operate without training.

      He did not ignore advice from the department that they were incapable and not suited to roll out the scheme and hide (try to) the evidence.

      He did not admit guilt and fault by offering to rectify and safety check every instal done because of his mismanagement.

      He did not destroy legitimate businesses in the process by allowing quacks to do all the work.

      He did not stand in front of parliament house with shirtsleeves rolled up telling those same business owners who are now ruined that he would help them and then renege on that promise.

      So as you can see duff it is not “fair enough”.

      Not even close.

      Rudd, Gillard, that spokesman for Ken Henry ummm…..Swann and that guy who is so disgusted by it all he quit Tanner along with Peter G made the calls and own the stuff up.

      At least Garrett tried to warn them. Poor bastard made to be the fall guy.

      What a farce.

    • Rob r Charteris says:

      01:52pm | 18/08/10

      The Scarlet Pimpernel says:09:50am; Again you are someone else that has no idea of how things work. OH&S is governed by a state by state based regulator. In NSW that would be Work Cover. So looking through your skewed way of looking at the world. The houses that burn in WA are the Liberal parties fault eh’ thank you lets pull rAbbott up on that.

      MarK you back to playing yourself eh’ interesting….

    • sal says:

      02:03pm | 18/08/10

      @MarK,
      Tony Abbott was very Federal Health Minister when Dr Patel was performing surgeries in Bundaberg.  Before it is stated, yes I am aware it falls under QLD State government responsibility (as does Oversight and licensing of tradespeople) so if Mr Garrett has to wear insulation deaths from Canberra, why is Mr Abbott immune from wearing the Bundaberg deaths?  I think Duff’s analogy works.

    • The Scarlet Pimpernel says:

      02:24pm | 18/08/10

      Hey Rob

      I’ll type this slowly for you.

      If the shonky businesses were not registered, the various State bodies would not even know about them.

      The only people who would know about them were those that signed off on the payments. And who was that? All together now ....

      Krudd and Joolya.

    • iansand says:

      02:26pm | 18/08/10

      MarK - That Jayant Patel bloke from Bundaberg was operating during Abbott’s incumbency as health minister.  That’s at 87 deaths right there.

      I’m not saying the deaths were his fault, but by your logic they would be.

    • Matt says:

      02:56pm | 18/08/10

      I love you Liberals.  You scream individual responsibility and less “red tape” (regulation) when you are in power (not that you do it) yet when the ALP is in power demand the Government be responsible for everything.  In this case, the deaths resulted from the actions of shonky business and negligence.  The blame should lie with the supervisors and the companies.  Using the deaths of these 4 boys to score cheap political points is really disgusting.

    • MarK says:

      03:08pm | 18/08/10

      Oh dear Sal and ian you really do miss the point.

      “Tony Abbott did not toss billions of dollars at people to go get elective surgery and then decide to let anyone that could hang a shingle do an operation. “

      There ya go.

      The Labor party created the stimulus and was warned against it.

      Interestingly enough The good Qld doctor is now charged with manslaughter and in gaol. See the difference?

      Abbott didn’t create an environment for him to operate in. In every system there are deficiencies.

      How many deaths were there in the insulation industry prior to the stimulus?

      How many operators were offering one quote fits all installations?

      How many companies were there then and are there now in the industry?

      You guys really are reaching now. Please do keep up.

      The analogy is ridiculous. It was then is now and forever will be ridiculous.

      It was a monumental disaster from go to woe. Instead of playing strawman rubbish justify it to me. The whole Batt scheme. Show me its premise and its outcome.

      Should be funny.

    • sal says:

      04:00pm | 18/08/10

      @MarK,
      “Abbott didn’t create an environment for him to operate in. In every system there are deficiencies.”  Funny, I thought as Health Minister Abbott failed to plan for health workforce needs in Australia, capped the numbers of people here trained as GP’s and threw money into career counselling and learning to get foreign doctors registered here to address the shortfall.  Sounds like Abbott DID create the environment for him to operate in.  I agree that in every system there are deficiencies.  Just as Patel is now imprisoned for his negligence, so should the EMPLOYERS who disregarded safety and training and are responsible for these deaths.  Your accusation of Garrett’s spend costing lives is as valid as the accusation Abbott’s withholing of funds cost lives.  Just as Abbott was not operating in Bundaberg, Garrett was not laying batts in roofs.  It’s not hard to understand.

    • Duff says:

      04:43pm | 18/08/10

      MarK, ok, from what you seem to be saying I am going to assume that you are perfectly ok with the idea of John Howard being held personally liable for the wrongful deaths of tens of thousands of innocent civilians who were killed in Iraq as a result of his support, oversight and funding of a war which turned out to be based on a completely false and unjustifiable premise.  Or does that not count?

    • Muttley says:

      05:09pm | 18/08/10

      Duff, dont bother using logic. The liberal apologists are happy to throw mud using their skewed logic, but apparently it doesnt work two ways. I thought the analogy was a good one, but i wouldnt waste my time trying to convince a member of the Howard society. And yes, you would think the Health Minister would bear some responsibility for their portfolio.

    • MarK says:

      06:40pm | 18/08/10

      I will say it again Sal

      “Tony Abbott did not toss billions of dollars at people to go get elective surgery and then decide to let anyone that could hang a shingle do an operation. “

      and

      “He did not ignore advice from the department that they were incapable and not suited to roll out the scheme and hide (try to) the evidence”

      Read it twice you will get it eventually.

      No Duff as with your first analogy your latest offering is wrong with its’ premise as well.

      Both of you need to use the but for test. Take all the time in the world.

       


      It is not hard.

    • JillBob says:

      08:41am | 18/08/10

      Throughout this campaign, Tony Abbott gave due and unquestioned respect to Julia Gillard at all times. He has argued policy, recalled her incompetence as a Deputy PM, publicly disapproved of the manner in which she overtook Kevin Rudd, but never at any time has Abbott stooped to public personal abuse.

      This cannot be said of Miss Gillard’s manners towards the Leader of the Opposition.

      Her deliberate referral to Tony Abbott as “Mr Rabbit” has been neither comical nor courteous.  Then there is her deliberate character slanging: “Phoney Tony”.

      It is pleasing to see that Abbott is man enough to withstand Miss Gillard’s personal insults, and man enough not to retaliate in kind. 

      How Miss Gillard’s example of personal insult sits with parents of impressionable children I don’t know, but it hasn’t sat well with our family and the teachers within it, particularly due to Miss Gillard’s penchant for heavy campaigning amongst schoolchildren.

      Teachers are battling the trend of girl-girl psychological bullying.  What we have heard from Miss Gillard certainly highlights that a potential Prime Minister is no exception when it comes to ungracious language.

    • Phil says:

      10:02am | 18/08/10

      What you say is so correct. Ms Gillard always goes for the throat just liek a school bully would. Wayne Swan, Kevin Rudd look like to type of kis who would have got bullied at school, and when Wayne talks tough you know its like he is telling the school bully to back off. He is a joke is Mr Swan.

      I teach my daughters to not bully or be bullied at school. They know they can tell me anything without fear or favor. My wife was bullied being a wog eating salami panini’s when all the aussies were having vegimite sangas. But she got over it eventually, but did kick some poor bloke squarely in the nuts causing his hospitalisation for a few days back in the 70’s. So Alan on behalf of my wife I apologise. Mind you you shouldnt have forcably tried to kiss her when she said no.

    • Damocles says:

      10:33am | 18/08/10

      Well said JillBob! Saying a person’s name incorrectly, or simply calling them names is so childish, harkening back to the old school playground. Just shows that some people NEVER grow up and certainly shows Labor in it’s true light and their supposed to be our leaders?

    • housesdad says:

      08:43am | 18/08/10

      Why is his appearance an issue? With all the anti-bullying etc hype these days, how can anyone’s appearance even raise a second glance?
      Maybe these PC types should practice what they preach and deal with the issues and not the messenger!

    • Phil says:

      08:44am | 18/08/10

      Steve good call. I bet their parents hold up a glass to huys like you. That 4 young men died because of waste and only after they were shamed did they think to apologise, and even then it was half arsed.

      Labor voters will forgive incompetence and not care about the waste. I am just waiting for them all to line up for $ 5-8,000 per squ m outbuildings at their properties. Like hell will freeze over before 20 take up that offer.

      Bob Hawke and Paul Keating, even possibly the Rudds are the only labor pollies who would/could pay that type of excess. (Hey we all know Keating is an excentric when it comes to his homes and good on him) He has been doing up his Potts Point Palace for some 7-10 years.

    • Herb says:

      08:46am | 18/08/10

      Like most republicans I well remember David Flint’s unscrupulousness and arrant lies from the republic referendum. Personally, if he endorsed the archangel Gabriel, I would be voting for the devil.

    • fairsfair says:

      11:04am | 18/08/10

      like most republicans you are just dirty that you lost.

    • jg says:

      03:04pm | 18/08/10

      sorry herb, cry in your beer.

      You lost.

    • Steve_of_Cornubia says:

      08:53am | 18/08/10

      Forget the personalitis - for the moment. We voters need to know what we will get if we elect a particular PM or member, and that is made easier when the person in question is a conviction politician. Tony Abbot is exactly that. This explains his candid style and his sometimes self-damaging honesty. The most important thing to Tony is that his policies reflect his personal convictions. You don’t have to agree with him, but at least you know what he represents.

      Sadly, many/most politicians aren’t full of conviction. They are in politics because they crave power and influence. In other words, they are ‘me’ politicians. They will support policies that will, first and foremost, get them elected. They will say whatever they think the voter wants to hear, irrespective of the consequences. The names Rudd and Gillard spring to mind, and this explains why they seem so useless when it comes to implementation and management of their own policies - having used the ideas to get elected, they quickly get forgotten/delegated while Rudd/Gillard moves on to TALKING about ther next policy.

    • Andy W says:

      09:37am | 18/08/10

      He is a conviction politician until he “matures” into the exact opposite view: maternity leave, taxation, economic management, the introduction of an ETS, Industrial relations, all issues of which his convictions are now the opposite from 6 months ago.

    • Hermoine says:

      02:19pm | 18/08/10

      I agree, Tony Abbott is a conviction politician.

      However the legislative process isn’t about conviction, it’s about convincing and compromise.

      One of the problems that the Government has been facing for the past three years is that they are still dealing with those Senators elected in 2004 - the election that gave John Howard control of the Senate.  It’s been a hostile Senate for them… and half of the things that the Libs are saying “whatever happened to…” is really “we voted it down in the Senate so they couldn’t do it.”

      So how does a conviction politician deal with a hostile Senate?  Yes, I know what he represents, but what I want to know is how he’s going to deal with something that the majority of the Senators don’t agree with him on.  Will he turn his back on what he’s argued against in the past?  Will he give it up just like that?  Or will he carry on pigheadedly like a three year old who doesn’t get their own way.

      The complete reversal in issues such as paid parental leave and Workchoices, despite everything he’s said and done, including his time as a Minister in Government, suggest that he’s got convictions, but he’s just as willing to put them aside to get elected as the next guy or girl. 

      If you want a conviction politician, go for the Greens.  At least you know they’re not going to be governing the Country.

    • Adam says:

      03:30pm | 18/08/10

      Hermoine its called a double dissolution and Rudd should of done it on the ETS. The election would be long gone and Labor would of been laughing. I am very happy that he didn’t though

    • Fred Nerk says:

      08:55am | 18/08/10

      The ears have more charisma than the man…...and talk about as much sense.

    • DJ says:

      08:55am | 18/08/10

      Tony Abbott is the closest thing this country has got to an honest politician…. and that’s saying something. Unfortunately, the media lefties are doing their best to bring him down. The unrelenting “budgie smuggler” campaign is a slight on the Lifesaving movement of this country and un-Australian.

    • Jeremy says:

      09:01am | 18/08/10

      Abbott openly declared that you couldn’t believe anything he said if it wasn’t written down. Okay, so that’s being honest about his dishonesty, but IT’S STILL DISHONESTY. How, given that, can you trust anything he says?

    • TimB says:

      09:54am | 18/08/10

      Jeremey that’s not what he said, that’s what just what Labor hacks keep saying he said. Here’s the exact quote:

      “TONY ABBOTT: I know politicians are going to be judged on everything they say but sometimes in the heat of discussion you go a little bit further than you would if it was an absolutely calm, considered, prepared, scripted remark which is one of the reasons why the statements that need to be taken absolutely as gospel truth is those carefully prepared scripted remarks.”

      That’s completely different from saying anything unscripted is a lie.

      Now contrast this to Gillard and Labor’s behaviour at the campaign launch yesterday. They took great pains to inform the media how great Julia was for speaking “off the cuff” without a prepared speech or notes.
      *THAT* was a lie. She had her whole speech prepared in advanced and had it in front of her the whole time. Blatant deception from the “Real” Julia.

    • AdamC says:

      11:34am | 18/08/10

      Exactly, TimB, Jeremy’s characterisation of what Abbott said is merely a regurgitation of the tired sophistry of the ALP spin machine.

      Coalition voters like me realise that Abbott’s biggest weakness in an election campaign is his sincerity and frankness. That was what his ‘written down’ comments were really about - actually being up-front and honest about the nature of things. Likewise his comments about virginity and abortion would never have happened if, like Gillard, Abbott were prepared simply to be what the swinging voters in westerm Sydney and Queensland tell focus group moderators they want him to be.

      It is authenticity that is the real divide between the parties and the candidates in this election.

    • Muttley says:

      05:14pm | 18/08/10

      Spin it how you like. The bloke stated that unless it is in writing there is no guarantee he will carry it through. This from the party that gave us “core” and “non core” promises.

    • Hamish says:

      05:37pm | 18/08/10

      Yeah Muttley, non-core and core promises sound so functional. I much preferred the Paul Keating ‘L.A.W’ promises. Say what you will about Keating, but at least everyone knew he was an arrogant liar. Only morons ever thought he was telling the truth (and I was only 12 years old in 1993).

      With the current ALP it’s not that they lie per se, it’s just that they can’t deliver anything. So, when Julia Gillard says something like ‘the budget will be in surplus in three years’ and no one believes her, it’s not that they think she’s lying really, it’s just that they know it won’t happen. As Australians have found out with Labor state (and now federal governments), the problem isn’t that they lie about doing things, they just don’t actually do anything. That is, except squander money is ever more creative, exciting and completely unfathomable ways.

    • Irene says:

      08:57am | 18/08/10

      I was so glad to read that article about Tony Abbott.  Indeed, although having never met nor seen him in person, what you say about him is what subconsciously has been his impact on me through watching him on T.V. and through seeing him there over the years.  He surely is an upright, real-life Aussie, one to be proud of.  Certainly he would have his faults as does everybody.  Thank you for that article.  I wish the whole of Australia could read it.  Incidentally, I am not the kind of person who has a ‘star’, an ‘idol’ and am never one to gush over someone in Public Life.  I personally deplore that kind of thing.  To me, people up there are just people, particularly as during my life, I have met hundreds of thousands in different countries, including those of royalty, aristocracy, top parliamentarians, pop singers and entertainers, billionaires - but also the multitude of poor.  Do you know, all mankind is similar?  So would Tony be.  However, he does have the qualities you name and as such, is excellent material for being our next Prime Minister.

    • Gregg says:

      08:59am | 18/08/10

      I remember myself during 2006 and 2007 I had noticed in Julia and Tony what I thought were going to one day be opposing leaders and had probably noticed Tony even earlier in his parliamentary career for even from afar there was a particular aura, be it his forthrightness or that he was obviously through his cycling activities one very fit guy.
      But in having discussions with some people there were the particular put downs.
      He has come to the leadership in a more open and honest way, a difference essentially over policy and certainly in a different manner to which Gillard has become PM for what hopefully will be a short reign.

      I just hope that people can see past the Labor claims of being great financial managers which they are far from and can recognise that the path of overspending and taxing of our best industry puts us in a spiral dive that gives no hope for the future of this country.
      It will indeed be a great misfortune for all of us if too many people are sucked into their claims and spin.

    • JennyF says:

      09:07am | 18/08/10

      I hope Tony Abbot’s example could lead to an obesity revolution in schools.

    • Nicole says:

      09:15am | 18/08/10

      Excellent article and a brilliant description of Tony Abbott. Unfortunately Mr Flint, you will be torn apart by some of those nasty leftards, because they don’t want to see anything true or good in Abbott. They will continue to follow their leader like sheep, attempt to smear Abbott and refuse to see outside their little square. Quite sad really.

    • The Badger says:

      10:11am | 18/08/10

      Don’t worry Nicole,
      When someone write a gushing opinion of Julia Gillard, you rightards will get your chance.

    • sal says:

      10:27am | 18/08/10

      “Excellent article and a brilliant description of Tony Abbott.”  Perhaps, if we are talking a Lavalife/E-Harmony profile.  So athletic, so attractive, so charismatic…....is he electable based on these qualities?  If so, my vote goes to Jennifer Hawkins….she probably has better policies as well.

    • Nicole says:

      10:40am | 18/08/10

      @Badger, I know. When is it coming? I await eagerly.
      @Sal, I like Jennifer Hawkins too. I reckon she’s got more between her ears than Queen Jooolya. Good decision there.

    • Joan says:

      11:22am | 18/08/10

      Badger; I`m looking forward to reading Rudd`s gush on Gillard… tomorrow would do, same place.

    • Rob says:

      12:28pm | 18/08/10

      @The Badger Rightards????  Resorting to degraded humor aren’t we?  Rightard is a compound of retard and right isn’t it?  It’s pretty low really.

    • iansand says:

      03:28pm | 18/08/10

      However “leftard” as used by Nicole, is a principled and accurate description.

    • Pip.M says:

      09:18am | 18/08/10

      Nowhere in these comments or by Mr. Flint is the comment about the worst issue I have seen spoken by a Minister of the Crown Tony Abbott.  His cruelty and nastiness towards the dying Bernie Banton a great crusader for Mesothelioma should never be forgotten.  Mr. Abbott to even speak those vile words to an ailing man speaks volumes for his lack of principal, decency and his ability to be a leader in this wonderful country.  How could you Mr. Flint say what a great man he is.  A man that could even think to speak these cruelties towards another Australian deserves to be condemned.To put him on a pedestal as so many of these people writing these comments today is just so sad.  Australian are better than this!

    • Bill says:

      10:21am | 18/08/10

      Yes, I remember the situation. The dying Bernie Banton’s final months were hijacked by a unscrupulous union spruiking their political agenda. Bernie was used . Abbott objected to this crass exploitation of a dying man and, quite frankly, so do I.

    • Muttley says:

      05:17pm | 18/08/10

      Nice try Bill, but no. The bloke was trying to get the issue finalised before shuffling off this mortal coil. He stuck with what he believed in. A concept difficult for the liberals to grasp, i know.

    • Steve_of_Cornubia says:

      07:34pm | 18/08/10

      The unions’ exploitation and manipulation of Bernie Banton’s misery was shameful.

      It puts me in mind of the ridiculous hyperbole the unions employed when those two miners were stuck underground in Beaconsfield, using their situation to both embarrass the mine bosses and further the union’s cause - the brotherhood. You can see the similarity between how Labor run their PR and how the unions run theirs.

      Apparently, the two guys who were stuck undrground were ‘heroes’.  Eh? What heroism did they display?

      They bravely sat tight till they were rescued? What else could they do?

      Unions? Just another Lefty organisation full of people using others’ problems to further their own, very lucrative, careers.

    • iansand says:

      09:00pm | 18/08/10

      You guys must have been listening to another Bernie Banton.  The one I was listening to was passionate and determined to ensure victims of asbestos were compensated.

    • Tony says:

      09:20am | 18/08/10

      I met Tony Abbott 10 years ago. He is a good, straight up and down bloke. If he wins on Sat, I reckon he will be a very good leader for all Australians.

    • KH says:

      09:50am | 18/08/10

      Not all Australians.  Speak for yourself.  Some of us would be horrified if this tosser became PM.

    • Robert Smissen, rural SA, God's own country says:

      01:42pm | 18/08/10

      Why KH? ? ? Do you think he’ll make you work for the dole? ?

    • KH says:

      02:07pm | 18/08/10

      Robert.  That’s fairly presumptuous.  I have worked since I was 15. I am now 45.  I take after my mother, who at 72 refuses to set foot in centrelink and prefers to continue working than take ‘handouts’.  Unlike most of the population, it seems.

    • n_dude says:

      06:11pm | 18/08/10

      Maybe Robert Smissen should be scared….

    • Andy W says:

      09:20am | 18/08/10

      I think Abbott’s character can be summed up by his performance last night, It was certainly the lowest point the campaign.
      The conniving and childish attempt to upstage Gillard on an economic debate was stomach turning and if Abbott refuses to debate Gillard on the economy tonight it will certainly backfire for Abbott.

    • watchingwithinterest says:

      10:18am | 18/08/10

      Julia said she would debate Tony anywhere anytime.  He offered and she failed to show up.  How does that reflect on Tony.  Ms Gillard then complains that Tony offered the public forum opportunity on the night of her campaign, when did she offer the debate?  She has a short memory.  For my liking Ms Gillard has thrown a lot of mud at Mr Abbott personally all of which he has copped without retaliation, which says a lot more about Tony Abbott then it does about Julia Gillard.

    • Andy W says:

      10:46am | 18/08/10

      The public forum is tonight! Why won’t Abbott debate the economy then.
      It seems a bit dodgy Abbott would only agree to talk about the economy for a maximum of 13 minutes the night before his policy costings are released but refuses to debate the economy the next day at a pre-arranged meeting with Gillard

    • The Scarlet Pimpernel says:

      12:34pm | 18/08/10

      Why just the economy?

      Why not Defence, Health and Technology?

    • MarK says:

      01:56pm | 18/08/10

      “It seems a bit dodgy Abbott would only agree to talk about the economy for a maximum of 13 minute”

      Blah blah blah.

      He was there.

      Julia said anywhere any time.

      Kezza then wasted 5 minutes of a fifteen minutue interview debating whether a debate on the economy should be for 30 or 60 minutes.

      If he had a questions maybe he should ask it instead?

      Abbott owned him last night. All teh gotchas were tossed back. All the jibes handled with aplomb.

      Abbott continues to grow in stature.

      It must really hurt a lot of people to see it happen.

      All this talk about blowing up, unelectable etc etc hasn’t quite come to pass.

    • watchingwithinterest says:

      03:10pm | 18/08/10

      Andy W

      Tonight is about the people asking questions. Not journalists.  If Ms Gillard wanted a debate on the economy she had her opportunity.  She didn’t show up.  I would have thought that if it was so important 13 minutes would have been better than the alternative which is none.
      Ms Gillard doesn’t want to debate she just wants to play politics.  What she is trying to do is have Tony bend to her will and he’s not playing, which she doesn’t like.  She’s had two chances. First she said no and then she didn’t show up

    • Holly says:

      09:26am | 18/08/10

      You claim that Tony Abbott is highly principled but I have seen little evidence of this.  He has told us he is capable of lying when he does not have a script and he was willing mislead the Australian public regarding his role in the eventual imprisonment of Pauline Hanson - misleading the ABC is not as bad as misleading parliament in his book - now these are on record facts, not a “misrepresentation” of Tony Abbott’s character.

      What is more worrying he is now “channeling,” in his words, Peter Costello - who himself has conveniently had a complete turn around in his assessment of Tony Abbott.  Peter Costello has consistently advocated for an increase in GST - so watch out Australia.  In fact it is a worry that he is channeling anyone and only supports those who regard him as a weathervane.

      Tony Abbott’s total disregard for the future (global warming) or Australia’s obligations in the wider world (UN) leads me to think that he is very small minded and isolationist in his thinking.

      The Tony Abbott I know has a Parental Leave Scheme that demonstrates that he is willing to look after the rich from the public purse, while he totally lacks compassion for the desperately disadvantaged,  believing homelessness to be a lifestyle choice. 

      The fact that he is willing to demonise asylum seekers and place them once again under conditions which resulted in a high number of refugees suffering mental health conditions, again demonstrates his lack of Christian principles and compassion.

      Furthermore your cheap shot tactics regarding the Insulation program says a lot about your own cynical use of others.  You would know as well as anyone that at least two companies have already appeared in court charged with breaching health and safety regulations.  Are you expecting these employers to also pass on this responsibility to the government in a court?

    • Slaver says:

      09:34am | 18/08/10

      Yes Holly and he is the only politician who has ever lied…

    • KH says:

      09:52am | 18/08/10

      Yes,  I have to say it bemuses me that no one has yet brought this up.  The GST.  I’ll bet it goes up to15% if the coalition get in.
      They won’t tax billionaire miners making a mint out of resources that rightfully belong to all Australians, but they will tax all of us to fund their ridiculous policies.  I mean seriously - full salaries for maternity leave?! What a joke.

    • watchingwithinterest says:

      10:39am | 18/08/10

      GST up.  Not likely unless the State Labor governments are complicit as the agreement of all the states including the WA government would be needed to change the agreement.

    • Dash says:

      10:57am | 18/08/10

      It’s no wonder the Labor government has a chance of being returned when it’s supporters don’t understand the tax system or the fact that the Labor states would have to agree to any GST increase. They all run around swallowing Labor’s spin and propaganda! I’d be more worried about your power bills than the GST. Particularly if Labor put a price on Carbon! The inflationary impact of that will be astronomical. You may have noted that Labor pulled away from the ETS as soon as they realised the price increases being factored into power prices so close to an election. Holly you’re concerned about lies now? How about “we wont touch the private health rebate”, “We will abolish uni union fees”, “I fully support PM Rudd”, “I have more chance of playing full forward for the dogs”, “We have an East Timor Solution”, “I was only a member of the Socialist Forum in my 20s”, “Grocery choice”, “Fuelwatch”, “More affordable housing”, “Cheaper better childcare”, public ownership of hospitals “by July 2009”, We are “fiscal conservatives”, the profits tax is “not negotiable”, “we agree to 3 debates, no we don’t, yes we do, no we don’t”. And you’re worried about the “public purse”. How about the waste of taxpayers money under the insulation fiasco (it’s still costing us), the waste under the 2020 sumitt which delivered nothing, Labor backed builders with their noses in the taxpayer trough under the school halls scheme (not to mention Labor states paying bribes to keep it out of the media). What about throwing $900 at dead people and people living overseas? What about the waste propsed on the NBN which will tie us to yesterday’s technology, or the waste planned on the carbon committee? And in terms of asylum seekers, Labor has adopted the LNP’s policy although East Timor doesn’t know about it.  Wake up and stop trying to tell us you are a “swinging voter” because you’re not!

    • iansand says:

      11:10am | 18/08/10

      Slaver - Of course he is not the only politician who has never lied.  They all do.  That does not excuse or justify the practice.

    • Gregg says:

      11:16am | 18/08/10

      KH,
      You may want to put those Billionaire miners into context of companies that superannuation funds and many individuals too will have shares in just like with other companies.
      Those companies just like most have to compete and with mining it’s international and you need to look at what happens elsewhere around the planet but higher taxing will effectively make a proposition to develop a mine here less attractive than what it has been in comparison to alternatives.
      Fine as a short term tax grab to cover over spending but kind of shooting your foot off for longer term results.

      And yep, then we can be quite happy sitting on it in the ground as without the cash flow into the country, there’ll be a whole lot more of us just sitting around and forget the increased super when you do not have any.

      You expect full pay when you’re on sick, annual or LS leave don’t you?

    • Joe Blow says:

      11:37am | 18/08/10

      Holly what is it you don’t get?  Even your Labor Party is complaining that Abbott is paying for Parental Leave from a tax on big business yet you keep on with this drivel about it coming from the public purse.  It’s a worry when we have people who can’t even read the party line ..... Why don’t you just admit that if this was a Labor Party idea you’d be all for it!!??
      BTW - how are negotiations going with East Timor?  Surely with Gillard’s skill at fast-tracking development ‘Building the Processing Centre Revolution’ must be well-underway…. or is she waiting for 150 random people to decide she should go ahead.

    • Phil says:

      11:39am | 18/08/10

      KH

      By your GST comment, you have clearly showed that your IQ is roughly the equivalent of the room temperature in an igloo.

      By all means dislike Tony Abbott, just as I do not like for one bit Julia Gillard.

      I would like to take you up on your offer of a bet if the coalition get in, lets say $ 100,000 given by way of bank guarantee to the solicitor of your choice. I will donate my winnings to Make A Wish Foundation.

      Se last time the coalition was in power they made do with the revenue they got. The GST is a consumption tax, and even Kevin thought to claw some of it back for Health.

      It is far more likely that Labor would increase it to cover the incompetent delivery of programs than the libs. The Libs will never be in power in each and every state as well as federally controlling the parliment in my lifetime.

      Somehow I doubt you will take up my offer.

    • Sam says:

      01:08pm | 18/08/10

      Holly, I posted elsewhere, another blog, about the corruption of Queensland’s revered ‘Sir Joh’, only to get a reply that in effect stated ‘Corruption is ok, at least he got things done’. No mention that, like with Whitlam, the libbers have done everything in their power (the power of a Senate Majority), to prevent Labor ‘getting things done’, and bring down a legally elected govt., because they are ‘born to rule’. 
      That spoke volumes to me about lib mentality, ‘Corruption is ok’. It won’t matter what their boy does, the sun shines out of his ass.

      Abbott has always been under direct the influence of unelected ‘puppeteers’, John Howard, Cardinal Pell overseas mining magnates, even tobacco giants. Whilst Costello is now towing the party line, I don’t think Howard will afford him much influence.

      You mentioned his parental leave scheme, all the nats and some of his own party are against that (so much for a united party), yet the so called Labor biased press are silent on this. Even Tony was against it. “over my dead body”, anybody?

    • Joan says:

      01:09pm | 18/08/10

      Off the cuff `lying` (your word) exaggeration, is not the same as a deliberate setup as with Gillard Labor Launch notes…. Labor Co went out and about to everyone this was off the cuff speech, revealed - a pile of notes on a lectern with an added extension to conceal page turning. Thats a deliberate lie if ever.  If you were a smart woman you would vote YES for Paid Parental Leave, this will give women in the future financial security, career certainty, and family choice with security. This is the best deal of all this election for women of Australia and their families.

    • Dash says:

      02:17pm | 18/08/10

      Sam, are you blaming the incompetence of the Whitlam government on the Libs now? You have got to be kidding me. Go and read up about the Khemlani loans affair, Rex Connor and Jim Cairns mate! Whitlam lost the 1975 election (yes the GG called an election) in a landslide with the LNP securing 91 seats. That was due to the rorts, waste, unconstitutional financing schemes and economic failings of his government. If the people were enraged he would have won but he got smashed in ‘75 and lost again in ‘77. I fear it may be another term before people wake up to the fact that this ALP is just as bad if not worse!

    • Ben81 says:

      02:25pm | 18/08/10

      Sam, just who is this anonymous internet person who “spoke volumes” to you?  Shouldn’t you be basing your ideals on reality?  Can I go look for an absolute twit saying something ridiculous about the Labor party (not that i’d have to go far), and come back here saying they speak for every Labor voter too?

    • Hermoine says:

      02:34pm | 18/08/10

      @Dash, if you knew your history, you can directly blame the ability of the Senate to defer passing the Whitlam Budget (thus withholding Supply) by the efforts of one Liberal Premier in NSW (Askin) and Country Party Premier in Qld (Bjieke Peterson) to flout convention and appoint non-Labor Senators to vacancies caused by death and resignation of sitting ALP Senators.  Interestingly, the Constitution has been amended to ensure this does not happen again. 

      The people of Australia would have had their chance to vote out Whitlam when an election was called in any event.  However, Whitlam recommended the calling of a half-Senate election to the Governor-General (as is his right) but the Governor-General refused (which goes against all convention) and informed Mr Whitlam that unless he called a double dissolution election then he would withdraw his commission.  Whitlam did not.  The Governor-General then asked Malcolm Fraser if he would guarantee supply, he said that he could, and he was commissioned as a caretaker Prime Minister.  He went to the election as Caretaker Prime Minister despite the fact that a no confidence motion was passed in the House of Representatives before the Parliament was prorogued, which meant that Whitlam should have been Caretaker.

      So while the Whitlam Government was responsible for their own incompetency - especially regarding the Loans Affair - the Liberal-Country Party is hardly blameless for the events of 1975.

    • Dash says:

      03:09pm | 18/08/10

      Hermoine there was a general election held in December of 1975 and the Liberals won 91 seats. That was due to the will of the people and nothing else. If Whitlam was caretaker for 4 weeks it really wouldn’t have made any difference. Clearly that government was impotent and on the nose with the electorate. It was democracy in action I say. And I’d also say that with a reduced majority, this ALP may soon find itself in a similar position. I personally don’t believe they deserve to be returned but we’ll see what the people (or at least the people and green preferences) want I guess. Sam is wrong because it is the duty of MPs to represent their electorate and not just blindly go along with everything the government of the day wants. That’s the Westminster system. If he wants to live in a dictatorship, he should move to North Korea where they too have a Socialist leader!

    • KH says:

      03:49pm | 18/08/10

      Phil - personal insults are the last resort of someone with no intelligent argument.  I am entitled to my opinion as much as you are to yours.  In case you didn’t notice, thats what everyone here is doing.  We just don’t all agree that Abbott is a good person to run this country. 

      I have many and varied issues with Abbott and his party as a whole.  I won’t be voting for them.  I never said the alternative was much better, its just not as bad.

    • Slippery says:

      09:29am | 18/08/10

      The author has one key difference from you Liberal haters, he HAS met the man, unlike all of you (and no I still don’t know who I am voting for).

    • Baz says:

      09:46am | 18/08/10

      I don’t need to meet a bigot to know one.

      By the way, get on the winner, Julia is bringing this home and the Rabbott is running!

    • Housewife49 says:

      10:00am | 18/08/10

      But, pet, we’re not “haters”.  That’s just a rather nasty little Liberal-machine smear, isn’t it?  As if that helps anyone make up their mind!

      We just like fair policies, honestly explained.  The Liberals don’t give you that. They never have and I don’t think they ever can, no matter how hard we ask. 

      Take Bonds as an example. They are just debt, after all!

      Deficit and debt. I may be just a little old lady now, but I know as well as they do that 3% deficit and 5% net debt really are a bargain price for an economy escaping world-wide recession and years of dreadfully wastefully high unemployment.

      Liberal policies, at rock bottom, are only ever about looking after people like them. Labor policies are all about all of us. Quite a difference, really.

    • Tone says:

      10:06am | 18/08/10

      Charm in one or two meetings is no recommendation

    • KH says:

      10:11am | 18/08/10

      And therein lies the problem.  Most people haven’t met him, and never will.  We only have his public persona to rely on, and frankly, I would rather vote for Krusty the Clown before I voted for Abbott. 
      The obvious sycophancy from this Flint person is not going to sway me.

    • fairsfair says:

      11:11am | 18/08/10

      Housewife49 - whacking a “pet” in the middle of what otherwise seems like a Labor party press release does not make you sound like an average Australian. You are being paid to type type typaroo or you are high on Domestos.

    • iansand says:

      11:13am | 18/08/10

      I have met him.  I don’t like him.  I found his “charm” artificial.

    • Joan says:

      11:47am | 18/08/10

      Housewife, if you were real smart, and a real woman, and want the best real deal, the only deal for women that matters, a deal no woman should refuse - Abbotts Paid Parental leave…... it will have women set up for the future, not delegated to scrapping for dollars behind the kitchen sink.  Abbott is giving Australian wome the best financial deal ever… they are mad if they don’t take it.  Power to the women - be financially strong. And don’t worry your pretty head Australia won’t go broke doing it.

    • Nicole says:

      12:34pm | 18/08/10

      Yes fairsfair correct. Yet, Housewife complains in her above comment about someone being rude to her. Don’t you just love the smell of hypocrisy in the mid-morning?

    • Phil says:

      01:34pm | 18/08/10

      Joan Housewife 49, is probably only looking after her own. As she is no doubt past child bearing age and did without, she sees no reason that this could benefit her. It will not benefit me one cent, but it will help out many who decide to have children in years to come. Those not agreeing with the Coalition Scheme must be either, a) lowly paid, or b) ahve no desire for their own children to succeed in the future.
      I am 42 with a 9 and 7 year old. I think it great that they will be helped in later life if they have children. Personally we didnt need help, as I worked very hard and got myself in a position where I didnt need PPL, but I dont begrudge others who may want it.
      Just like I would be better off with some labor policies, I dont think that they are in the national interest (mining tax etc) so I shant be voting for them.

      As for bonds, is it off balance sheet funding. Unlike Public Private Partnerships, whereby Macquarie Bank want a long term 20% return on investment, you only need pay 6-7%. As its government guaranteed, super funds will line up to invest, and we get the infrastructure we cannot afford.

    • The Badger says:

      02:06pm | 18/08/10

      Upper class welfare is just wrong on so many levels.

      but hey,

      While were giving the rich money for nothing, let’s give the miners some money to make up for the money they spent on their political attack ads on behalf. of our great political party.

      How did things get so twisted in OZ?

      We have to choose between a global market driven only by calculations of short-term profit, and one which has a human face.
      Kofi-Annan

    • Richard says:

      03:07pm | 18/08/10

      “Upper-class welfare?” get a grip Badger. You are such a misogynist to think that women should get paid a pittance (if anything at all) on their maternity leave, instead of at their regular rate of pay like any other type of leave. A vote for Labor is a vote for moving Women’ rights backwards in this country.

      The factional power-brokers thought they were so smart to install a woman PM to pull the eyes over women voters, but Tony Abbott in contrast stands for real equality and progress, and an end to discrimination against women who put in the effort to get a good education and obtain a decent paying job.

    • MarK says:

      03:12pm | 18/08/10

      Oh gawd.

      Quoting Koffi-Annana on anything to do with economics or anything more important than the last weeks soccer results is like asking Lady Gaga for fashion tips.

      She knows you wear clothes (well sometimes) but is her own unique snowflake with respect to them.

      Koffi as a credible on anything…..hahahahahahaha

    • MarK says:

      03:20pm | 18/08/10

      “Labor policies are all about all of us. Quite a difference, really. “

      List the policies about all of us please Housewife. Any time petal, you being so old and busy and homely like.

      Oh and while you are at it dearie as you seem to have this economics thing all sorted out can you explain to me how Julia justifies her $6000 mortgage on a $100k salary homily? I really need help there and you sound oh so smart and reasonable.

      Thank you Housewife I wait your pronouncements eagerly.

    • The Badger says:

      01:07pm | 19/08/10

      @Mark
      Quoting Kofi-Annan on economics is 100 times better than quoting Bolt on climate change.

      Real knowledge is to know the extent of one’s ignorance.
      Confucius

    • Mack Daddy says:

      09:38am | 18/08/10

      You liberal luvvies can cling on to whatever fantasy you want. The JWS poll is as close as you’ll get to government folks.

      It’s over. ALP win and RAbbott starts running!

    • antenna says:

      09:44am | 18/08/10

      We have Big Ears, but where is Noddy?

    • fairsfair says:

      11:13am | 18/08/10

      He is usually standing behind JG headbanging away while she discusses something of great importance - like the people’s forum.

    • Jamesadel says:

      09:46am | 18/08/10

      “I found from our conversations that he was tolerant and in no way sexist, racist or guilty of any of the other sins of discrimination.”

      This is a joke right? If you knew Tony Abbott, you would know very well he was heavily involved in anti-women’s groups in his university days, you would also be aware that on national television he said he felt “threatened” by gay men.

      And if he’s not racist or bigoted, then why is he making “stopping the boats” such an election issue when several experts agree that it would take 2 decades for illegal immigrants to fill the MCG? Surely our economy, jobs, taxes, infrastructure is more important than a few boats containing people who are desperately trying to escape violent and inhumane regimes?

      I find it EXTRAORDINARY the amount of pro-Liberal dribble News Ltd. have been airing during this election. Surely the national Australian media should NOT have such a bias agenda in their reporting? Why is there no rosey “I know Julia” article? Why are there no criticisms of Tony Abbott and his history towards women, his lack of economic policies, his blatant opinions about wanting bibles madatory in our classrooms?

      The Australian media should be utterly ashamed of themselves. There is no such thing as non-biased, REAL journalism in this country anymore.

    • S.L says:

      09:50am | 18/08/10

      You could have saved the ink in your pen Professor Flint. Alan Jones on Maquarie Radio has been canonising Mr Abbott since before the election started.

    • CJ Morgan says:

      09:50am | 18/08/10

      Dear oh dear.  It seems that the fragrant professor is in love.

      Quite besotted, isn’t he?

      Perhaps Tony’s lack of appeal to women might be compensated for by his apparent physical allure to some kinds of men.

    • devi says:

      09:58am | 18/08/10

      The man who writes love letters to Alan Jones wants us to vote for Tony? This is news?

    • Barry says:

      10:00am | 18/08/10

      “athletic man”
      “friendly young man”
      “rugged good looks”
      “athletic body”
      “unmistakebly masculine”

      The Professor has an interesting perspective on this politician. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

      (PS a boxer’s cauliflower ears dont stick out like Tony’s, they develop a lumpy sort of appearance.)

    • hot tub political machine says:

      02:07pm | 18/08/10

      “Not that there’s anything wrong with that” - well to be fair Tony is married so I wouldn’t quite white wash it. Mrs. Abbott - watch out!

    • JF says:

      02:15pm | 18/08/10

      Are you saying that he didn’t box? He has earned an Oxford Blue in boxing.

    • The Badger says:

      10:05am | 18/08/10

      Thank you for this interesting look at the “real” Tony Abbot

      This is what I took out of what you wrote.

      Committed, principled, loyal
      - sounds like a dog with principles

      Tony occasionally rides a bike

      Tony occasionally likes to dress up as a fireman and a lifesaver.
      - Probably would get on nicely with the village people ((f they weren’t gay)

      You have a fascination with Abbott’s swimwear

      Abbott had attended a town rally with “men and women, an ALP politician and an Australian of Chinese origin.” 
      - I guess anybody is likely to turn up at a town rally

      He has handshake that is agreeable to you and cauliflower ears that made you think of your father.
      - Father issues?

      Cameras make him look bad mostly because of his big ears.

      You like the way he walks and admire his athletic body
      - You gush a lot about his body and consider him a “pin up boy”.  I’m getting worried here. Do you have something else you want to share with us?

      He wears his religion on his sleeve

      Tony is not a straight up and down conservative.
      - Correct he is a straight up and down right wing conservative.

    • jg says:

      11:19am | 18/08/10

      Tony occasionally likes to dress up as a fireman and a lifesaver.
      - Probably would get on nicely with the village people ((f they weren’t gay)

      Of course, you are a volunteer fireman and livesaver yourself?

      maybe SES? or St John’s Ambulance?

      Anything?

    • Tedd says:

      11:20am | 18/08/10

      on his sleeve? what about when he dressed for “life-saving”?  Where does he smuggle it then?

    • Damocles says:

      10:11am | 18/08/10

      Someone has finally said what I felt all along! Here is a man who represents all that Aussies hold dear. He’s athletic, he’s true blue, he’s no bullshit and he wears the much maligned “budgie smugglers”, which is, as mentioned, worn daily by our bronzed heroes the lifesavers. Why have some Australians turned on and taken to mocking a figure who represents the great Australian icon. What, do they now prefer a figure that looks like it has never seen the sun? Who wouldn’t know that a healthy body makes for a healthy mind? A figure that spends most of it’s time in the dark shadows hatching devious designs and scheming scandals. A figure that has turned it’s back on what truly matters in life, purely for it’s own vanity and ambition. What is happening to this country? I hope that the people who really love and care about this country, and not their own little wants and desires, wake up and see what could happen to Australia if a devisive, hate ridden, self interested government led by a troglobite (yeah, do a Google on that one)!

    • Phil says:

      11:46am | 18/08/10

      Domacles You are correct. Labor would rather an overweight so that they dont feel any different to the average joe. They dont want someone who aspires to be fit, healthy, they would rather send teh kids a message that body issues dont matter, you can be fat so long as your happy.

      Dont worry medicare will look after you when your old and your organs are giving up under the constant strain of McDonalds, KFC et al. Has anyone noticed that Julia is wearing darker coloured pants and light tops lately. Could it be that the spoils of office are going straight to her rear.

    • CJ says:

      10:11am | 18/08/10

      Tony Abbott cannot be trusted.

      I find it quite appauling that Julia has been getting so much criticism for not being “real” when quite frankly this hybrid Tony Abbott we have been seeing for the past four and a half weeks is nothing like the man who served in the Howard Government or who sulked in opposition for the good part of the last three years.

    • TheRealDave says:

      10:11am | 18/08/10

      Shouldn’t election adds come with a disclaimer at the end? You know - written and authorised by blah blah for and on behalf of the Liberal Party??

      I am amazed that the author - who knows so much about Tony forgot to mention how Tony was the back room organiser that organised the slush fund and prosecuted the attack and eventual incarceration of an Australian politician (the same politicians who’s policies they ended up stealing anyway). A fact that the press doesn’t seem to want to mention either, especially in the puff pieces the Punch has been delivering up in the last few weeks.

      Should we expect to see a similar puff piece for Joolya any time soon?

    • Gloria Stitz says:

      10:12am | 18/08/10

      Tony Abbott will have my vote on Saturday. What a breath of fresh air this article is. Tony is not a twisted seedy desperate insulting name calling Politician. He is a straight shooter.
      Stumbles through a few words whilst he is thinking about the answer. He wants it to be an honest answer.
      It has always grated on me the inference constantly about his bathers. Stupid. He is a fit, mentally alert, intelligent, decent, family man.
      Just the right qualities to be our new Prime Minister!!

    • Rosie says:

      10:22am | 18/08/10

      For those of you that want a profile on Julia Gillard!

      Heaps of money could be made if a film was made of Julia Gillard’s hungry for power and becoming Australia’s first female PM. It would easily be Drama/Horror/Comedy! The Liberal Party should do it as a fund raiser!

    • Joe Blow says:

      11:41am | 18/08/10

      Hope they don’t leave out the scene from her formative years where she is denouncing capitalism with Mao’s Little Red Book in hand.  If ever there was a person who has backfipped on her beliefs it’s Dillard.

    • Holly says:

      10:22am | 18/08/10

      Slaver maybe, but he is the only one I know who has blatantly tried to pervert the course of democracy - i.e. the right of Pauline Hanson and her party to seek seats in Parliament.  Of course we no longer need her as we have Tony Abbott who seems to be “channeling ” a fair number of her views, particularly on asylum seekers.

      Just to completely convince myself of his deviousness I am about to have a cuppa and watch 7.30 report which I missed last night.

      To all those who have met him and say but he’s such a nice guy - many very bad leaders have been very personable.

    • Macca says:

      10:31am | 18/08/10

      So, for everyone here complaining about the impartiality of The Punch. Ah its an Opinion Website. Mr Flint wrote his opinion and this comments section is for you to have yours.

      If you would like to write an article on your personal experiences* with Tony Abbott I’m sure Penberthy and his team will consider it.

      *note: Nicola Roxon, please ignore this invitation

    • Macca says:

      10:52am | 18/08/10

      Also, for all the ALP supporters calling him rAbbot. Is this the best you can do?

      What is it about politics that causes people to become so ridiculously immature. I personally would like the Libs to win and I cannot put into words how piss poor I think this government has been. Anyone who is proud of their acheivements needs a dose of reality.

      However, Australian’s are not geared towards change, and I expect Julia Gillard to win this election with a reduced majority to what she already has. Considering how high the Opinion polls were in favour of Labor earlier this year it should be a complete disappointment that the ALP let it get this close.

      If Kevin Rudd and the ALP had the balls to go to a double dissolution on the ETS I would have a lot more respect for their convictions. Instead we have a Climate Change assembly. What a croc! I might not agree with Tony Abott on all his policies but I believe he is far more genuine and has far more integrity than anyone representing the Labor brand right now

    • sal says:

      03:13pm | 18/08/10

      I agree Macca, rAbbot seems silly and not the best we can do.  I toyed with Ab(bott)omfeeder.  Seems to sum up his lowest common-denominator, dog-whistle appeal.

    • Brendan says:

      10:36am | 18/08/10

      Worst case of a man crush I have ever seen.

    • Polly says:

      10:42am | 18/08/10

      Tony Abbott is genuine in all that he does and says. What you see is what you get. There is no spin and there is a Statesman-Like quality about Abbott. He would make an excellent Prime Minister. I would rather have a Prime Minister who has Australia’s wellbeing at heart rather than one that only has their party’s hold on power as the major agenda.

    • Bobster says:

      10:47am | 18/08/10

      I’ve met Mr Abbott on two occassions and both times I’d have to describe him as a lovely bloke who is definitely a conviction politician.

      He’s as charming as hell and both times convinced me - in the short-term - that his convictions were wonderful traits.

      Unfortunately, within two minutes of walking away thoughts of RU486, religious opposition to cervical cancer vaccines, inflammatory behaviour on the asylum seeker issue and his outright opposition to workers’ rights came flooding back and I was forced to ask myself; “what the hell is the point of being a conviction politician when those are you convictions?”

      So, nice, principled fellow that he is, I still can’t bring myself to think of what Australia would be like when someone as unflappable as him in some pretty toxic opinions became PM.

    • Rosie says:

      11:43am | 18/08/10

      Bobster you didn’t have to describe Tony Abbott as a lovely bloke to let us know that you are a typical Labor supporter who like Julia Gillard is trying to fool the vulnerable to vote for Labor on Sat.

      Go suck on a lemon?

    • Bobster says:

      03:52pm | 18/08/10

      @ Rosie,

      Can’t win with you lot, can you? Or are you just jealous I’ve met the messiah twice and you haven’t?

      Believe it or not, and this may come to a shock to many in the Lib/Young Liberal movement - one can disagree with someone’s politics without hating said person.

      Your friends in the National Party have long recognised this (except in the case of the Greens) and it’s a pity grace isn’t something the Liberals are capable of if you’re anything to go by.

    • Lexi says:

      10:50am | 18/08/10

      Thank you for someone finally writting something about Tony Abbott that gets to the heart of the man. I think it is important to know what your elected officials are like away from the spin. Unlike the crap piece of writting by that woman who calls herself a journalist Ms Freedman on Joolia this article actually gave me something new on Tony Abbott. Will I vote for him now? Not sure but it is the first story to make me think I might.

    • jg says:

      10:58am | 18/08/10

      I met Tony Abbot a few years ago when I was running an environmental program. he was in a meeting next to our meeting room and during a break, in which all participants where mingling in the foyer, he came over and introduced himself.

      He was genuinely interested in what we were doing, how it was being done and the outcomes we were expecting. He came across as a slightly confronting sort of man, a bit in your face and very forward, very genuine, full of energy, not one to take a backward step in a fight and willing to listen.

      I was quite impressed.

    • Phil Osopher says:

      10:58am | 18/08/10

      You didn’t mention that Tony has a hot line to his favourite Deity.  This is a problem as he could get a crossed line.  A thinker and a Rhodes scholar he may be, but the Abbott does have a deep religious gene which should make real thinkers very wary.

    • JF says:

      02:37pm | 18/08/10

      And Julia Gillard has a deep conviction to atheism.

      So what?

    • Steely Dan says:

      03:20pm | 18/08/10

      @ JF

      “So what?”
      Well, atheism isn’t it a religion, or a philosophy, or even an idea.  Contrary to popular belief that it’s a positive statement that there is no god (that’s anti-theism), it’s actually a rejection of a claim (that there is a god/s), and contains no tenets or dogma.  So saying that Gillard has a ‘deep conviction’ to atheism is not only an unproven assertion (I don’t think she’s mentioned what level of ‘conviction’ she holds) it’s also a strange thing to say - can you have a deep conviction that you’ve been unconvinced of a claim?

      Abbott on the other hand does say that he is devoutly Catholic.  Abbott’s Catholicism tells us something about his spiritual and ethical beliefs, whereas Gillard’s atheism can only tell us what she doesn’t believe in from a spiritual perspective, and nothing about what she believes in from an ethical perspective.

    • JF says:

      03:45pm | 18/08/10

      Steely Dan

      Fair comment Steely Dan. However, I still don’t see this as relevant. Abbott has made it clear that he recognises the very clear distinction between the Church and the State. That is not to say that Julia’s atheism means she is without ethics. I think that it is her desperation for power and ambition are responsible for that.

      My religious beliefs are closer to Julia’s than Tony’s. However I have far more respect for Abbott’s genuine conviction than I do Julia’s conviction of convenience.

    • Steely Dan says:

      04:06pm | 18/08/10

      @ JF

      “Abbott has made it clear that he recognises the very clear distinction between the Church and the State.”
      The RU486 debacle tells us otherwise.

      “That is not to say that Julia’s atheism means she is without ethics.”
      Obviously.

      “I think that it is her desperation for power and ambition are responsible for that.”
      Turnbull might argue Abbott know something about that also.

      “However I have far more respect for Abbott’s genuine conviction than I do Julia’s conviction of convenience.”
      ‘Conviction of convenience’?  How is her atheism ‘convienient’?  A simple glance at the number of religious believers vs ‘non-religious’ in the last census will tell you that only mainstream protestant or Catholic politicians could ever be accused of holding ‘convenient’ religious positions.

    • jf says:

      10:03am | 19/08/10

      I am not a Catholic and absolutely believe in women’s right to abortion. As someone who has had to make a decision to abort a pregnancy, believe in choice. However, despite not being a Catholic and believing in that right agree with Abbott’s view on abortion. That is, to paraphrase, that it should always be a choice of last resort. At this stage the decision to abort is an involved process requiring the individual in question to necessarily take the time required to come to a considered decision. RU486 is a very effective drug. It has the potential to truncate the decision making process with the result that women will make hasty decisions that they will regret. Thus, my view on RU486 is that the decision to approve, if at all, should be considered and deliberative. I’m not a Catholic so I have no reason to believe that the fact Abbott is a Catholic influenced his decision to not approve it. If he tried to ban and crimalise abortion I’d be with you.

      Abbott rolled Turnbull because he was philosophically opposed to Turnbull’s position on an extremely important policy. Also, Turnbull was not representing himself as the potential PM to the voter. The Labor party was elected with the promise of Rudd as PM. Gillard was an involved and critical part of the Rudd’s very small policy team. On what basis did she knife him?

      As much as I disagree with him, Abbott’s position on gay marriage is genuine conviction (as was Rudd’s). My reference to convenience is a reference to Gillard’s position on gay marriage being about the polls and it being a convenient position to have going into the election. However, I may be wrong. You may be able to tell me on what deeply held conviction Gillard opposes gay marriage.

    • Steely Dan says:

      12:26pm | 19/08/10

      @jf

      “I’m not a Catholic so I have no reason to believe that the fact Abbott is a Catholic influenced his decision to not approve it.”
      I think it’s incredibly naïve to think that it didn’t.  Remember, as a result of Abbott’s stance Health Ministers were stripped of the capacity to ban pharmaceutical products.

      “Abbott rolled Turnbull because he was philosophically opposed to Turnbull’s position on an extremely important policy.”
      How is this different to Gillard and Rudd?
      “Also, Turnbull was not representing himself as the potential PM to the voter.”
      He wasn’t?  I could have sworn Turnbull was the Leader of the Opposition for a while there, I must have been mistaken.

      “The Labor party was elected with the promise of Rudd as PM.”
      Which they delivered.  It was his intention to be PM, and he was for almost a full term.  If Gillard had always intended to roll Rudd she would have done it much, much earlier.  Eleventh-hour leadership changes are not popular.  And opinion polls showed after Rudd’s ousting showed that people wanted Gillard to take over. 

      “Gillard was an involved and critical part of the Rudd’s very small policy team. On what basis did she knife him?”
      He was backflipping on and delaying policies that the ALP had been elected to deliver!  Remember?

      “As much as I disagree with him, Abbott’s position on gay marriage is genuine conviction (as was Rudd’s).”
      I don’t care whether his conviction was genuine or not, to be honest.  I care whether policies are good or bad. 

      “My reference to convenience is a reference to Gillard’s position on gay marriage…”
      Of course you were.  Why didn’t I see that?

    • jf says:

      06:33pm | 19/08/10

      “I think it’s incredibly naïve to think that it didn’t.” Why. I’m not a Catholic and my view is not disimilar. If his religious views influenced his stance why is he not for criminalising abortion?

      “How is this different to Gillard and Rudd?”

      Because she wasn’t philosophically opposed to his views. She was a key part of his party of four that made all their decisions.

      “He wasn’t?  I could have sworn Turnbull was the Leader of the Opposition for a while there, I must have been mistaken.” Not mistaken in this instance, however, he wasn’t the leader at an election, he party wasn’t elected to Govern whilst presenting him as the potential Prime Minister. If you can’t see the difference between Abbott rolling Turnbull whilst in opposition and Gillard rolling Rudd, the duly elected Prime Minister of the country then I simply can’t explain it to you.

      “It was his intention to be PM, and he was for almost a full term.  If Gillard had always intended to roll Rudd she would have done it much, much earlier.  Eleventh-hour leadership changes are not popular.  And opinion polls showed after Rudd’s ousting showed that people wanted Gillard to take over.” I agree - almost a full term; opinion polls. The only thing that you forgot to mention was the factional heavies and union bovver boys.

      “He was backflipping on and delaying policies that the ALP had been elected to deliver!  Remember?” Or, more succinctly, he was a sh!thouse Prime Minister leading an appalling Government. 

      “I don’t care whether his conviction was genuine or not, to be honest.  I care whether policies are good or bad.”  As do I. However, the basis on which the policies are formed goes to the integrity and character of the person making the policies. I can respect a person far more if they take a stance based on genuine principal (as Abbott has done in relation to this topic) or for pure political expediency and convenience (as Gillard has done).

      “Of course you were.  Why didn’t I see that?” It was pretty obvious. But since you ask, perhaps it’s because you aren’t to bright.

    • Steely Dan says:

      11:28am | 20/08/10

      @JF

      “If his religious views influenced his stance why is he not for criminalising abortion?”
      Political expediency.  He’d lose the election straight away.  With RU486 he was able to muddy the waters by pretending that there was an underlying safety issue with the particular drug that was flagged by the Chief Medical Officer John Horvath (never happened, as Horvath later attested).  As Health Minister Abbott also gave funding to anti-abortion pregnancy counselling services, some of which told women that they’d increase their risk of cancer if they had an abortion (not true). 

      “Because she wasn’t philosophically opposed to his views. She was a key part of his party of four that made all their decisions.”
      If you believe the Coalition’s claims, that’s not true.  Abbott has been using the line about Gillard being anti-maternity leave for quite some time.  But even if that wasn’t the case, Rudd delaying major policy like the ETS would be reason for Gillard to oppose him on practical/tactical grounds, not philosophical/ideological grounds.

      “Not mistaken in this instance, however, he wasn’t the leader at an election, he party wasn’t elected to Govern whilst presenting him as the potential Prime Minister.”
      Do you mean to tell me there were Libs who voted for Turnbull who had no intention of supporting him if an election was called?
      You seem to forget that we don’t have a Presidential system.  Ministers (and shadow Ministers) are only there as long as the party allows them to be.  In fact, have a look at our Constitution to see what it says about the office of the ‘Prime’ Minister.

      “I can respect a person far more if they take a stance based on genuine principal (as Abbott has done in relation to this topic) or for pure political expediency and convenience (as Gillard has done).”
      Abbott has an ideological opposition to abortion that he suppresses for political expediency too.  But if one of them backflips on their current position in office I’d prefer it to be Julia.

      “It was pretty obvious. But since you ask, perhaps it’s because you aren’t to bright.”
      Let’s recap.
      Number of times you mentioned gay marriage in our conversation: 0
      Number of times you mentioned Gillard’s atheism as a ‘conviction’ in our conversation: 1
      Forgetting that we actually have a record of this isn’t very bright at all.

    • jf says:

      05:37pm | 20/08/10

      It seems as though we could go on like this for days.

      Why don’t we both agree not to vote and spend the day at the beach.

    • Steely Dan says:

      06:16pm | 20/08/10

      @ JF

      White flag noted.

    • JF says:

      10:29am | 23/08/10

      No white flag Steely Dan. Just a recognition that you are opinions are thoughtful and considered and therefore not able to be ignored or easily rebutted.

      Also, the white flag is with Julia Gillard.

      Not to wave in the unlikely event the independents allow Abbott to form a Government but to show to whomever it is left controlling the Labor Party after what is shaping up to be a vicious and self-indulgent (and hilarious) civil war. Maxine McKews concession speech was the second funniest thing on tv on Saturday night. Only mildly less funny than the networks all switching off Kevin (I am the Messiah) Rudd part way through his victory speech - word is he is still going. He really does think he is Australia’s JFK.

    • Matthew D says:

      11:08am | 18/08/10

      The man is a stiff conversative dinosaur who tells the “gospel” truth half the time.

      The Australian people aren’t fooled. A leopard can’t change it’s spots.

    • Patrick says:

      11:16am | 18/08/10

      It’s a sad state of affairs when Tony has to get a reference from David Flint!

    • Reg says:

      05:59pm | 18/08/10

      I was thinking that too except that the man is so deliberately unclear that no-one can be certain that he’s not joking. That’s why I’ve stayed out of this. I think the old swinger is just doing his provocative worst.

      “Sugar dear?”  “Umm, let me think about that.”

    • Cat says:

      11:41am | 18/08/10

      While I was a post-grad student in London I used to see an elderly man riding a bicycle through part of the university grounds each morning. He always greeted me with courtesy and once asked a small favour of me. I was happy to oblige because of his courtesy. Much later I learned that he was actually a judge of the High Court - and a humble man. 
      Tony Abbott strikes me as being a similar sort of person.  Even radical lefties have to admit that he has been ridiculed in the media, his social service efforts have been denigrated, and his religious beliefs have been questioned as inappropriate.
      While questions have been raised about Julia Gillard’s atheism they have been muted. There has been no mention of any social service on her part (I can only assume she has done none) and she has been praised for being a woman - which is surely irrelevant.  Even the manner in which she obtained her present position has been given a minimum airing.
      There is a major not a minor issue here. David Flint may well appear to be biased but he has written a rare positive assessment of a man who would be leader. Rare because, until now, the media has not offered such opportunities. 
      At very least this goes a very small to redressing the balance after the free publicity given Julia Gillard by the AWW - unfortunately it is not likely to go nearly far enough. Labor has done very well out of the media. They have nothing to complain of.

    • Freeman says:

      11:42am | 18/08/10

      I’m glad the libs havent tried to make an Aussie hero of abbott, although they clearly could have given his volenteer firefighting, lifesaving and time spent in the outback with the aboriginies. It would only further cheapen the whole electoral process which is so focussed now on image rather than substance.

    • Tez says:

      11:47am | 18/08/10

      Another yesterday’s man. Tomorrow, a ringing endorsement from Alan Jones.  ( Did you and Tony discuss social issues, such as gay marraige?)

    • jg says:

      12:46pm | 18/08/10

      That would be the gay marriage that Gillard is against?

    • Bobster says:

      02:30pm | 18/08/10

      @ jg

      Anyone who thinks the Labor party is 100% against gay marriage shows an incredible ignorance of the political process.

      Why do you think they’re changing to law to reflect the marriage act in everything bar name?  It’s so in a few years time they can claim the entire process is an issue of nomenclature and say it is inconsistent with the law.

      Hey presto, legal gay marriage. Are we all so shallow that we can’t see this?

      I suppose it’s lucky those against gay marriage are too dense to pick up on it, but then, it’s necessary for the process that the proponents don’t notice either.

      Have I just let the cat out of the bag?

    • MarK says:

      02:54pm | 18/08/10

      Errr Bobster.

      That gay lady at Rooty Hill was a little against “civil unioning” her partner.

      Just a thought for you.

      Don’t apologise for Labor. The party position is they are against gay marriage.

    • jg says:

      03:01pm | 18/08/10

      Bobster,

      then in your own words Gillard is lying?

      You know, she really did say she was against it.

      oh, and so did Penny Wong.

      But I guess that doesn’t matter if you can use it to attack Abbott, does it?

    • Bobster says:

      03:42pm | 18/08/10

      Lying doesn’t enter the equation and I’ve covered this before. This is politics and it has a logic of it’s own.

      Penny Wong was open on Q&A about her efforts within the ALP to shift its opinion - bearing my mind the number of Catholics in the ALP it’s pretty understandable to think the party contains roughly the same 50-50 split as the rest of the population.

      The ALP and Liberal Party are both democratic institutions remember, so the public policy put forward will always reflect the wil of the majority of members.

      I can’t be bothered going through this again though - if people can’t be bothered to take an interest in the actual machinations of the political system that governs us then the shallowness of this election and our general political discourse shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone.

      In short, whether you’re for or against gay marriage - just keep doing what you’re doing and in about five years time we’ll have legalised gay marriage.

      Carry on if you want, but I’m right.

    • JF says:

      12:19pm | 19/08/10

      I hope you are right Bobster.

      However, you are a Labor apologist. Their position is that they are against gay marriage. Penny Wong included.

      Whilst they conservative’s position is the same, it as least based on conviction. However, individual’s within the conservative faction have their own views and discuss them openly. Warren Entsch has spoken openly and passionately on this topic. This resulted in Family first directing their preferences to Labor rather than to the Liberals or Nationals. That is, Family First see Labor as more conservative on this issue than the Liberal National Party.

      Entsch has again been endorsed by the Liberals as the LNP candidate in Leichhardt.

    • Joe Blow says:

      11:48am | 18/08/10

      2 simple questions for Labor voters.

      1.  “If this government has been so wonderful and has such a great story to tell, why is 90% of its advertising reduced negative attacks on Tony Abbott?”
      2.  “If Labor deserves a second chance, why didn’t Kevin Rudd - after all it was he and Swann (supposedly) that saved us from the GFC, NOT JuLIAR?”

      Hint:  Criticism of Tony Abbott is not the answer to either question

    • Seano says:

      12:26pm | 18/08/10

      1. Perhaps because 100% of the Liberal advertising has been either attacks on Gillard, Labor or boat people.

      2. They deserve a second term because the did a good job getting us through the GFC, they apologised to the Aborigines, they got rid of work"choices” and because the opposition has failed to present a viable alternative. Hint: Uncosted promises and hot lines to the patrol boats are not a viable alternative.

    • Labor still ahead in the betting stakes says:

      12:30pm | 18/08/10

      1.  Because a government that stands on its record doesn’t need to tell voters what it’s done.  It lets them remember for themselves.  A government that was elected on throwing WorkChoices out and is now faced with a former Liberal IR minister who administered WorkChoices and who can’t stay on the script about whether WorkChoices is dead or not needs to be criticised.  Also, GetUp is not a government body, if you’re including their rather memorable TV ads about Mr Abbott’s views in the “90% of advertising” figure.

      2.  Labor deserves a second chance because it is the party that Australia elected.  It was Labor’s policies, not Rudd or Swan as individuals, that kept Australia from the GFC.  And before we get the usual objection: the RBA also had a big part to play in keeping Australia from the GFC.  Might we point out here it was a Labor government that unhitched the RBA from government control, making it fully independent?  Kevin Rudd had lost the confidence of Australia as its Prime Minister.  Australia elects governments, not prime ministers - that’s in the Constitution.  Therefore Labor was within its rights to change its leader if it thought the bus driver had gone off the map.

      Hint: still smarting over the fact you’ve got to fight Julia Gillard rather than Kevin Rudd for the country isn’t a good look, Tony.

    • MarK says:

      01:27pm | 18/08/10

      ROFLMAO @ seano.

      hahahaha - and Labor ads have all been positive. No attacks on anyones character or person etc to be seen bruhahahahahahaha

      Oh on the hint…the boatphone was a media spin/stuffup notice how it not talked about. The twits on twitter got it wrong.

      And uncosted okie dokie

      http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/labor-disputes-6bn-nbn-hole/story-fn59niix-1225906209499

      Seems there are more questions to answer and the Libs will have their costings out today.

      Why hasn’t Labor costed the biggest infrastructure spend ever in Australia’s yet?

      Dear oh dear Seano you need better examples stat mate.

    • TimB says:

      02:26pm | 18/08/10

      Hey Seano, you want a “viable alternative”? How about Abbott’s infrastructure funding plan? With all the complaints that the Liberals let infrastructure run down last time (despite it being the domain of Labor-run states), I would think that this proposal would get a big thumbs up. Right?

      ...or maybe you’ll find some way to justify poo-pooing the idea. I look forward to finding out.

    • Seano says:

      06:09pm | 18/08/10

      @MarK - Your “example” misses this:

      “Treasury and Finance have confirmed our provisions for the NBN line up with the best expert advice available. Unfortunately, this report produced by the parliamentary library is misleading and includes some serious errors.”

      If the best you can do is a disputed report where the independent arbiters back the government then I’m afraid it’s not I who needs better stats.

      But hey you keep rolling around on that floor champ. Silly.

      @TimB - You mean he’s going to go into debt? I thought that wasn’t allowed Timmy.

    • Bobster says:

      06:14pm | 18/08/10

      @ Joe Blow

      Can’t criticise Abbott but JuLIAR is civilised debate? Fair enough, I’ll play anyway.

      1. Because that’s how this game is played and, actually, if you’re paying attention you’d notice that a negative ad plays first on TV but a positive ad comes towards the end of the same break. It’s called having a bob each way and both sides use similar tactics. Having said that, last count I saw had eight negative Coalition ads running around the country compared to six ALP ads (this figure could since have changed but still puts a new light on your 90% assertion).

      2. Because Kevin Rudd made a balls-up of the first basic rule of politics - watch your back lest Julia Gillard, Paul Keating, Bob Hawke, John Howard, Alexander Downer, John Hewson, John Howard, Andrew Peacock, John Howard or Andrew Peacock stick a knife in it.

    • MarK says:

      06:45pm | 18/08/10

      Ahh I see seano.

      it is a disputed report when labor says so. Nioce quote form a “Labor spokesmen”....really authorative.

      Gotcha.

      Ummm any idea if they will actually submit it for costing before the election? You know like they have been asking the Libs to do.

      Oh damn….it is too late, what bad luck. We will have to wait for later. bugger

      HAHAHAHAHA

      Silly me here I was thinking that it was unbiased report. Damn.

    • TimB says:

      09:48pm | 18/08/10

      @ Seano, it’s going to happen anyway if you build infrastructure. The trick is getting value for money (something the Labor party knows nothing about). Also, any debt will be owed to the Australian people, not the likes of China. I think that’s a much preferable option.

      Also it means everyone whining about no infrastructure can either put up or shut up.

    • Seano says:

      10:08pm | 18/08/10

      @MarK - I suggest you go back and actually read the article. Unless you’re claim that a 30 year public servant who has spent most of his time in the last 15 years working for Liberal governments is somehow a Labor stooge, you wouldn’t be that silly, surely.

    • Seano says:

      08:34am | 19/08/10

      @TimB - Nice spin. So in other words he’s going in to debt - but he’s calling it something else because of the stupidity of making the idea of government debt a boggieman in the minds of the voting public.

    • Judas says:

      12:00pm | 18/08/10

      I wonder if it would make Tony Abbot “uncomfortable” that a man who openly “challenges… orthodox notions of the right order of things” has written a puff piece fawning over his “rugged good looks” and “obviously athletic body”, describing him as “as unmistakably masculine” and not so subtly pines for the emergence of more athletic men in speedoes.

    • Maxi says:

      12:10pm | 18/08/10

      Gillard stabbed her boss in the back, tells us she was doing the whole fake Julia thing to come across as more proffessional and wants to move forward and forget the past mistakes of her government. Trust isn’t a word I’ll associate with her. This country does need to move forward without Julia as PM. Abbott is the best person to be PM, he understands working families, he understands the average Australian.

    • Sam says:

      01:45pm | 18/08/10

      Still on about the fake Julia thing. Even the dimmest of liberal supporters knows that during a campaign, all leaders are ‘managed’  or if you prefer ‘stage handled’ by very expensive PR experts, to mould their ‘product’, to make it more acceptable to the voters. Example: at one shopping centre walk through, when asked an unscripted question, Abbott turned to his ‘minder’ for advice on answering.
      Julia stating she wanted to be ‘real’ was an effort to shake off such shackles and be herself.
      Abbott knows he will ‘cock-up’ badly if he follows suit.

    • Helen says:

      12:15pm | 18/08/10

      Nothing wrong with man crushes

    • hot tub political machine says:

      01:29pm | 18/08/10

      Hands down the most homo-erotic piece ever published on The Punch

    • Seano says:

      12:27pm | 18/08/10

      “Tony has two moral qualities, loyalty and strong attachment to principles.”

      Are those scripted or unscripted principles David?

    • Dash says:

      01:32pm | 18/08/10

      By their nature, qualities are not scripted, they are inherent! But as a Labor supporter that keeps swallowing lies and hollow promises and accepts waste and rorts, I wouldn’t expect you to understand Seano. Which Jooliya are we seeing this week Seano, the real one , the fake one or the one her NSW Labor henchmen want us to see?

    • Seano says:

      03:39pm | 18/08/10

      But Dash surely a man of principle such as Abbott would have no need the get out of jail free card that is the “unscripted” promise. Surely a principled man would have his word be his bond.

      Oh and which “henchmen” were behind Abbott’s elevation to opposition leader, or do only Labor have “henchmen” and “heavies” whilst the Libs have principled men of honour who do their dirty work.

      As ever there’s a flaw in your logic.

    • hot tub political machine says:

      01:24pm | 18/08/10

      The bias in this piece is breathtaking. Its borderline romantic (see the “rugged good looks line”). I am quite stunned to see something so absurd on a major website

    • The Badger says:

      01:58pm | 18/08/10

      It wouldn’t cost the abc a razoo.

    • Mac says:

      01:47pm | 18/08/10

      The Tony Abbott I know is one who is unable to directly respond to a question and has a self-important view of himself, always considering himself to be on a higher plane than we mere mortals. This man would be a great embarrassment to Australia if he was to represent as the PM notwithstanding some of his very out of touch personal views

    • Kevinski says:

      02:25pm | 18/08/10

      The value of this piece is less than zero.  David Flynt is the leader of that infamous conga lines of suckholes - remember his sickly-sweet fawning over fellow right-winger Alan Jones, when he was supposed to be monitoring him.  You might as well as trotted out fellow right-leaning supporters like Gerard Henderson or Noel Pearson whose “institutions” only jobs are to support the Coalition and criticise Labor.

    • nosthow says:

      02:28pm | 18/08/10

      The real good news about Tony Abbott is that in just 3 days he will be political history - the polls have now swung against him and its nearly all over for the Mad Monk ! And not a day too soon. No policies and no future vision for Australia is hardly the smart thing to do if you want to win an election. Grilled last night like a BBQ chop by Kerry O’brien he floundered and we all saw the “real” Tony - confused and dazed and certainly not PM material !

    • acotrel says:

      03:42pm | 18/08/10

      I do so hpe you are correct.  The thought of Austrralia going further backwards depresses me!

    • Nicole says:

      04:40pm | 18/08/10

      Jeez nosthow, that’s one long dream you’re having. Did some evil fairy put you in to a deep sleep?

    • Geoff says:

      02:33pm | 18/08/10

      Some people shouldn’t be allowed to vote.  Those who let Tony’s ears get in the way of voting for him, or because as a Lifesaver wears Speedos etc are a disgrace to our democracy.
      As for rewriting history the RBA got full independence under the howard Government.
      “The Reserve Bank has been officially independent since the deal between incoming Governor Ian Macfarlane and Treasurer Peter Costello later that year, enshrined in a Statement on the Conduct of Monetary Policy.”
      This incompetent government led by an egotictical control freak doesn’t deserve and extra term not even with julia as PM.

    • Pelle says:

      02:39pm | 18/08/10

      I note by the venom and hate that has been spat out by the rusted-on Labor voters and Union bullies, with the collective IQ of a house brick, that they fear a loss could actually be a possibility. Based on the negative and scaremongering campaign they have run, I sincerely hope Labor loses on Saturday, just so these sycophants can have another rant next week.
      Oh! Housewife49, cut the little old lady crap. No one buys it.

    • Matt says:

      02:42pm | 18/08/10

      If Tony Abbott gave me a plum job at the taxpayers expense (like ABA Chairman) then I would think he was great too!

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      02:44pm | 18/08/10

      Money for nothing and your kids for free
      I want my, I want my
      Paid Parental Leave
      (Apologies to Dire Straits)

    • SkepDad says:

      02:55pm | 18/08/10

      Nice article, right up to the atheist bashing.  We’re an easy target I guess, much like the gays of recent history.

    • Barry says:

      11:03am | 19/08/10

      Let’s not pretend Tony Abbott hasn’t received a lot more flak for his beliefs when compared to Julia, and apart from a comment every now and again about gay marriage in the media, you’ll find homosexuals don’t really receive much bashing from religious people in Australia.  If you’d been to a high school in recent years, you’d find it’s the white collar Gen Y bogan footy-playing males ,who get drunk most weekends, who do more bashing than the religious.  The same people who abused me for going to church were the ones who threw tennis balls at the homosexuals at lunch time.

    • Kate says:

      03:01pm | 18/08/10

      I’m a confirmed atheist and I don’t think abortions should be “encouraged”, as in, let’s all go out and get one.
      I think they should be available as an option for women who are unable to raise a child, but that people should attempt to avoid unwanted pregnancy by using contraception, and rely on abortion only as a last resort.

      Atheist does not equal arsehole.

    • Robert Smissen, rural SA, God's own country says:

      04:14pm | 18/08/10

      No, but a good place to start! ! ! LOL

    • Chris says:

      03:04pm | 18/08/10

      Your all very bitter and at the same time capable of interpreting and analysing text to determine if it is leaning to or on a particular ideology yet seem angry that you have to do so. This is an opinion piece.

      I remember a very different media presence and in the Kevin 07 election campaign and you would do well to convince me the press didn’t have a favourite.

      It’s been well established that particular newspapers tend to pamper either left or right wing voters. They encourage and inform you of what they believe is worth knowing.

      There is nothing wrong with this piece. You now know a few more things about Abbott that you didn’t before and despite the fact they are meant to be received in a good light, most will remain contemptuous if they were already so before reading the article. This will probably only serve to fuel the fire of such people as they criticise the press for PERHAPS having a preference. The following bombardment of colourful reactions signals that many people are hypocritical of their expectations of the press and had chosen their leader long before the campaigns began.

    • James says:

      03:14pm | 18/08/10

      Not voting Labour but certainly not going to vote for Abbot, he is better suited running marathons than running a government.

    • Robert Smissen, rural SA, God's own country says:

      04:17pm | 18/08/10

      So when you vote Green, you’ll vote Labor anyway.

    • sueg4_70@hotmail.com says:

      03:22pm | 18/08/10

      I’ve met the guy and I would agree Tony’s charisma and personality don’t come across in the media.  I found him very likeable.

      But I’m not voting for him.  Why? 

      Because voting purely on the basis of personality is really dumb.  And from what I’ve seen of Julia G I think she also is a very likeable person.

      Most politicians are very personable when you meet them one on one.

    • ted says:

      03:42pm | 18/08/10

      Tony Abbott is a great bloke.

    • John - how to catch a liar says:

      03:47pm | 18/08/10

      I fully agree that Tony Abbott is an unusual politician
      .At lust now I know when he tell the truth or lie.

      I noticed for some time now that every time Tony is telling his” truth “he shake his head left and right.(ear to ear)
      When he tell real truth he nods his head up and down.
      Have a look yourself next time you see and hear Abbott talk .
      Now you all know how to catch this liar.

    • marnie says:

      03:49pm | 18/08/10

      some of his views on reproductive rights/health/sexuality are pretty outdated and frightening. he seems to forget that there is a seperation of church and state for a reason. i would rather vote for my cat to run the country than this bigot.

    • Judas says:

      03:54pm | 18/08/10

      “the tiny number who are confirmed atheists” - not quite sure what the fawning Flint considers a tiny number, but at the last census:

      Those who identified as having no religion number an impressive 3,706,555 and those who don’t list a religious affiliation are at 2,223,957.

      Six million people who are potentially atheists - I hope that The Monk Worshipping, Parrot Praising Flint doesn’t believe in a “big Australia”

      By the way - when did atheists all of a sudden become rabid abortionists?

      This ranks up there with his letter to Alan Jones as one of the most sycophantic pieces of “prose” (if you could call it that) that I have ever had the displeasure of reading.

    • Paul says:

      04:09pm | 18/08/10

      John, I also have made some observations and I can tell when Labor politicians are lying,,, THEIR LIPS MOVE!

    • Christine Smith says:

      04:13pm | 18/08/10

      It’s nice that you know Mr Abbott and think so highly of him. As a very ordinary Australian with a more limited social circle, who doesn’t happen to live in Manly or spend a lot of time on buses in the Eastern Suburbs, I doubt I’ll have a similar opportunity anytime soon to get all warm and fuzzy with Tony and his many fine character attributes. However, if the party he curently leads, the Liberals, are elected to power on Saturday, my country and I will have a load of time to be affected by their policies and ideology. Tony’s budgie smugglers are fun to giggle at but they matter not one jot. I could care less about his personal charm. His party’s policies however seem to be a collection of the worst attributes of Australia’s cultural life, along with promises long on assumption and short on rationale. He can be as nice as he wants, or you think he is, but that’s no reason to vote for him.

    • Ciccio says:

      04:31pm | 18/08/10

      David, an excellent piece. Tony is a conviction politician, which I find very attractive. Whether people like him or not, what you see is what you get.

    • MattJ says:

      04:46pm | 18/08/10

      I say David Flint should book a hotel room, slip on something comfortable, throw some Barry White on the stereo, get some white wine on ice next to a large bunch of red roses; get that scented invite out to Tony…and wait.  You never know your luck in a big country.

    • Infense says:

      11:58am | 19/08/10

      My thoughts exactly. I wonder if Alan Jones is feeling jealous?

    • Pierre says:

      05:01pm | 18/08/10

      I did not hear anyone complaining when the Women s Weekly had a 16 page spread on Julia Gillard. Did they do a piece on Tony Abbott, I don’t think so. Let’s be fair.

    • Michael says:

      08:15pm | 18/08/10

      Um, actually, Pierre, they did.  It was a couple of months ago, shortly after he became the leader of the Opposition.  And it was a complete ‘presidential piece’ complete with WASP, er, WASC, daughters and mother standing around pronouncing how Dad was apparently fantastic to his girls.  WW specifically pointed that out to howlers like yourself who complained the magazine had done so, but you must have missed that bit.

    • Red Baron says:

      05:23pm | 18/08/10

      It is not the front that is of concern, but the normal Liberal lack of standing for anything in the future.
      EG. Australia’s will have to buy carbon technology from the rest of the world instead of selling.
      We will always be bringing up the rear.
      OI,OI, OI.

    • Sam says:

      05:58pm | 18/08/10

      MK says:12:22pm | 18/08/10
      @Sam. I’d really like to know what makes you think that marriage equality will happen under a labor government in particular. Because to my knowledge there are candidates from both parties who support the idea. And there are leaders from both who have rejected the idea. Gillard has been most direct in her belief of marriage being between a man and a woman.
      I’m not trying to be hostile, I’m really just curious.

      Thats ok mate, it’s my personal opinion based on the much stronger religous control of the right, and the fact that the left is far more progressive generally.

      Badger says:02:40pm | 18/08/10   Blah blah
      Badger, where Can I get some of whatever it is you are smoking? 

      Joan says:10:05am | 18/08/10

      Wow, that muslem really did knot your knickers. There were many things he didn’t say, like what he had for breakfast for one.
      Those audience members are given a short time to blurt their questions out, but not enough to satisfy all your idle wonderings.


      jf says:12:59pm | 18/08/10

      ‘how would you respond to the blatant anti-catholic comments made by Abbot’s opponents. How would you respond to those not prepared to elect him because he is a Catholic’.
      I am very anti catholic, and my vote is influenced by him being a catholic.
      It was a catholic priest who raped my long gone mother aged 7 thru 12, thereby helping to ruin her life, and it is the pope who stood idly by and did nothing about recent priests raping kids, the same pope who denies his african believers the safety relative protection of condoms, while they are dying by the thousands from aids.
      My opinion, catholics are actually more dangerous than muslems, on a head for head basis.


      MK says:12:12pm | 18/08/10

      I’m not saying he’s perfect, by any means. He’s definately made some mistakes, some of them more ridiculous than others.
      This may well be the first time I have read such an admission from a lib supporter.  Well done.

       

      Ben81 says:01:25pm | 18/08/10

      Sam, just who is this anonymous internet person who “spoke volumes” to you?  Shouldn’t you be basing your ideals on reality?  Can I go look for an absolute twit saying something ridiculous about the Labor party (not that i’d have to go far), and come back here saying they speak for every Labor voter too?


      Sorry Ben81, I usually avoid using big words, or phrases only adults are accustomed to.
      One of your coworkers, “The Scarlet Pimpernel says:09:50am | 18/08/10” left a link in his post, and I was referring to the message I found when I clicked on said link.
      I hope this clears things up for you.

    • JF says:

      02:59pm | 22/08/10

      How is the Catholic Pope denying “african believers the safety relative protection of condoms, while they are dying by the thousands from aids”.

      If they are true Catholics the wouldn’t be in danger of AIDS as they wouldn’t be having sex outside of marriage or before marriage. If they aren’t true Catholics, then they wouldn’t have a problem using a condom.

    • Rod J'That says:

      06:31pm | 18/08/10

      I’m a confirmed atheist, and I ‘discourage’ abortion.

    • ted says:

      06:43pm | 18/08/10

      Tony Abbott - married, three kids, Rhodes Scholar, politically involved since school, sports mad, volunteer lifesaver, volunteer RFS, over $1m raised in “pollie pedal” which is a fraction of other charitable causes he involves himself in etc etc etc etc…......

      Julia Gillard - not married, no kids (all by choice), Socialist Left, ALP law firm, ALP. No outside interests.

      Who represents this country better…......yes thanks and good night.

    • john says:

      03:36am | 19/08/10

      Sums it up really….

    • Ben says:

      01:59pm | 19/08/10

      Ted… you are correct and I WOULD agree with you if we were voting for a person and not a party.

      The PM does not make policies, the party does.. and whoever is the leader of the party presents them to the people.

    • Charles "Biffey" Biffen says:

      06:54pm | 18/08/10

      Glad to see old Flint sticking up for a mate. David after all is one of the unsung heroes of Australian comedy. It’s good to see Tony putting the boot in to the Idle Poor, they are just a bad example to the Idle Rich. Tony has Principles,fundamental they may be but he does believe in progress. I’m sure he applauds the forward steps of recent years. The improved lot of the poor, the discovery of penicillin; and the discontinuation of slavery, the baiting of lunatics in public and the stuffing of six- year olds up chimneys and down mines. above that he does believe in the original sin and takes Darwinism with a pinch of salt. What more do the public want?

    • Ms Manx says:

      06:56pm | 18/08/10

      Most of his Catholic beliefs will have little to do directly with public administration. The Assumption of the Virgin or transubstantiation can have no effect on government decisions

      Rubbish. Mr Abbott said he wouldn’t let his religious beliefs interfere with his job when he was Health Minister and they did. I don’t trust him an inch.

    • charlie tuna says:

      07:01pm | 18/08/10

      Boxers ears? His ears aren’t cauliflowered, they are just big - plain and simple.

    • Rosemary says:

      07:02pm | 18/08/10

      As an abused and Forgotten Australian suffering PTSD and numerous health issues due to the many abuses. I and many of us should never have been working. Never the less we did so from childhood years until we just couldn’t any more. Never were it suggested nor legally were we supported with these many disabilities ranging from education to physical incapacities. We lost up to and more than 35 years of disability payments. Now this is deemed a ‘life style’ by certain persons. We supported our families through many areas including education and bettered their lives in many cases more than most who did not suffer..
      Yet our carer family members still do work pay plenty on tax while our young family do not take up the support roll at all. So much for work ethics as I tend to understand them.
      Family friends and extended family we have found the same attitudes with no understanding nor help or hope of or support from them. Care organisations do little but receive Gov funding, while appealing to the public to give.
      Pensioner’s only discover this when they receive and people on the dole payment.  Yet loads of money support is available for educated working people for child care. This amounts to far greater amounts of welfare, child allowances, Austudy etc’s and similar payments.
      So where does Mr Abbot stand, not at all by my own search via his right hand man who referred to Disability as a lifestyle as if an option is there for many of us. Do they support the Forgotten Australians and the women and men who lost their babies to adoption? The facts are not there for me to vote for anyone. Nice guy or not.

    • Rosemary says:

      08:29pm | 18/08/10

      And then there is the pensioners not using electric powered heaters or air con.
      For the last couple of weeks or so I used my air con. We have and just received a letter from the electric mob and you guessed it. It is up no more than any other year but they put a new ole for new housing only here a few years old newer ones to justify not at my place and of course as I refused to use it before I really needed to do so like summer in case of better kidney function overheating due to me badly needing it for my health or be bed ridden when cold which are rheumatoid arthritis, joint pains and coldness suffered for years as a child and now as an adult the all foolish medical profession figured to kill my thyroid function to make a hypo person that is suffering more from the coldness than ever due to no metabolism and heart function inflammation and muscular skeletal pain including nerve damage.
      Bet the air con is exploding in Canberra and other gov places. But we have to pay and suffer. Gotta love democracy and the fair go. Some are more equal than others! Oh well I can always die I suppose. At the least I have a home maybe for a while anyway.
      Oh yea Brilliant just .......brilliant.

    • Pwnstar says:

      08:53pm | 18/08/10

      Disgraceful Liberal PUFF peice ill enjoy saturday night, Abbotts a lot like St George for right wingers, get your hopes up only to shatter them when it counts.

    • Jim says:

      10:40pm | 18/08/10

      Either he is a Christian in which case his beliefs must underpin his decisions as PM and he will drive this country in a direction that is similar to the southern states of the US or else he uses Christianity as a way of gaining influence with a percentage of the population. Either way he is not fit to be PM.
      Sadly Labor is pathetic.
      This country deserves better

    • Mike says:

      11:30pm | 18/08/10

      Well Sir David, it will be a case of ‘the King is dead (on 22/08/2010) long live the Queen,.... you get my drift!

    • Maureen says:

      11:37pm | 18/08/10

      Great to read a Truthful, ‘non-biased’ article about Tony Abbot.
      As for those who think the Media is biased. That’s a LAUGH of the first degree. With 95% of the Media being pretty well unashamedly pro Labor and pushing Julia Gillard for all they worth.
      Julia too has Good points which the Media are happy to point out so I wouldn’t get your knickers in a knot over the ‘one’ positive article about Tony.

    • bobby dazzler says:

      11:40pm | 18/08/10

      185 things, very important things have been overlooked in this election .Labor and its Unions along with CFMEU supporting Nick Sherry the assistant tax commisioner have only installed 3 of the Revised laws ,one of which is the Miners Tax , and the rest of the 185 will be implemented one after the other as soon as they gain power ,what does this mean for me and you ,effectively the Unions want greater power in the Govt , particulry the militant Unions such as the CFMEU and the ATO wants more revenue ,and the only way they can get this is by forcing all ABN or Sole trader workers in the country to be employed legally on wages - so if you are a IT Technician ,a hairdresser , a rigger ,a scaffolder , a plumber , a carpenter, a sparkie, or whatever ....you will be soon forced to ( A ) Join a union and (B ) be on wages ....your tools will be the only part of your income that is claimable -and thats all . The Unions will get there membership which they are desperate for ,and the ATO will get its extra revenue. If you dont believe this have a google about it and see for yourself, make no mistake ,they have kept this very low key so as not to rattle the Punters going into the election ,because this will sink LABOR.

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      03:38am | 19/08/10

      The ATO are the heroes because they try to keep bastards like you honest- this coming from a PAYE taxpayer who pays the legal amount of tax.

    • Dave says:

      11:57pm | 18/08/10

      I don’t get how people are insisting that Labor and Gillard in particular have been getting a good run in the media during this campaign. I totally disagree, i think it is Mr Abbott who has been receiving more favourable treatment from the media - The Australian being the most obvious example and also probably the most influential newspaper in this country.

    • Rosemary says:

      12:23am | 19/08/10

      Anyone see the Gruen Programme. Sums it up really.

    • Gerry Sinclair says:

      01:54am | 19/08/10

      The fights on to night!
      A scan of the comments once again proves the correctness of Ronald Reagan’s observation that “to make conservatives angry tell them a lie, to make socialists angry tell them the truth!”

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      10:12am | 19/08/10

      Ronald Reagan was an actor and told lies for a living. Becoming a President of the United States was no big change for him….

    • Terence says:

      09:47am | 19/08/10

      For many years Tony Abbott was John Howard’s bully boy in Parliament and if you read carefully what he said you would have a completely different view of him as a good person.If Johnny told him to argue that the sun moved around the earth Tony would do it without hesitation. And Mr Flint you as Monarchist agree completely with the land grabbing by force of arms under the various Kings and Queens of England and stood idly by when cattle and grain were shipped from Ireland during the Famine while millions
      starved to death protected by Her Majesty’s soldiers and watched cottages being levelled to the ground by her Majesty’s forces because the poor starving people could not pay the exhorbitant rents levelled by absentee Landlord who were Monarchists to the core.

    • Geoff says:

      12:25pm | 19/08/10

      Gee Terence who are you gonna vote for…give me a break.  Kevvie has the brothers of bile Tanner and Albanese.  At least Abbott has never stooped to their level in the gutter.

    • jf says:

      06:37pm | 19/08/10

      Good lord Terence. Just how far back in history do you go in forming your opinions. Don’t forget, England was a conquered island. You would have to go a long way to find anyone of pure Briton blood.

      And, before you go showing your grasp of history attained from reading the latest historical comic book, no, it doesn’t excuse some of the poor behaviour of England as a colonial power, specifically in relation to Ireland.

      And for the record, my Mother’s family is pure bog-irish and I am a republican.

    • Paul says:

      02:35pm | 20/08/10

      Yes, Abbott is a man of upstanding integrity and honesty you only need to ask Pauline Hansen.
      Or can’t anybody remember the ‘slush fund’ our credible candidate so admirably presided over.
      Yes, a true gentleman!

    • roy says:

      03:01pm | 23/08/10

      written by the man Allan Jones was looking for
      all those years ago—- in a London toilet.
      But didn’t find each other till—” cash for comment”—but now both famously
      married to the LOVE MISSLES sent to oneanother in Allan’s time of
      emotional disarray

    • Ben says:

      01:11pm | 25/08/10

      More Liberal party spin. Are you afraid to give Abbott the critical treatment all pollies deserve? Or is it a case of you pushing your team? Spin to win! It ‘s how Abbott got this far against an excellent visionary government with a PR problem and the richest redneck parasites in the country out for their blood for not being the puppets the Libs were for a decade. What spineless, valueless “analysis”; if you love Abbott so much, take it up with him.

 

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