What a victory for AFL in Sydney, hey? Over 33,000 flood the SCG to see the Swans play Hawthorn, while next door at the Sydney Football Stadium, a crowd of, ahem, 10,000 witnessed the NRL snooze fest between the Roosters and the Knights. A colourful SCG against a stadium in funereal military blue.

Maybe they need to try a different sort of reality TV. Photo: Brett Costello

That story is all over the papers. That story is easy. Lazy too.

It’s also burying the lead.

The Swans have been swamping the Sydney NRL clubs in attendances for years. Been doing it since the Bloods woke from their slumber in the mid-90s. Even if the NRL clash was a little more mouth-watering than the turgid Roosters against the impotent Knights, it wouldn’t have come close to the numbers at the Cricket Ground.

Where the game is really played, where the money is made, is where the Swans are getting killed.

Just 49,000 Sydneysiders bothered to watch the game on television. That’s 49,000 with no caveats. No Fox Sports live coverage, nor 7mate. 49,000, total.  Quite frankly numbers like those are not worthy of mainstream free-to-air television. Seven News was slaughtered. Because of the AFL. 

Not all of it is the doing of the television behemoth that is NRL. More people watched netball on Ten, while the day before saw more people watched bowls on ABC1 than Ten/OneHD’s Saturday afternoon AFL clash. If there wasn’t a watertight contract in place, the AFL simply wouldn’t have been on Seven yesterday.

Back in the day it was easy to poke fun when the Swans on occasion were out-rated by Iron Chef. Remember? The irony is in those days a figure of 130,000 would have caused enough alarm for emergency 9am board meetings.

Just think about yesterday’s numbers for a moment. Of the entire Sydney population interested in yesterday’s game, 40 percent were inside the SCG. The dip is astounding.

What does it matter, a record TV deal has already been done, you say? Yes, with the new television deal, Sydney’s atomic TV ratings won’t matter. With $1.25 billion on the way, no club is going broke for a long, long time, and no child entering school shall be without an AFL sponsored lunch box until they complete their HSC.

However, there is a bigger picture here - Western Sydney.

The Swans have been an established brand in the harbour city for nearly thirty years. If we take yesterday’s figures – relatively consistent over the last 12 months I might add - as the sample size, just 2 per cent of Sydney cares enough to invest three hours a week in them.

Seriously, what hope does this give GWS? When they are handed their inevitable early thrashings the media berate them, as the Gold Coast Suns know only to well. Easy, lazy stories, ill-informed too, yet destructive nonetheless.

The new club will enter the competition under a new arrangement which means exactly zero of their games will appear on mainstream free-to-air television. For a decade the heavies at AFL house played their hand hard. Every game involving a local team in the fledgling markets had to be on free-to-air at a decent time. It has been a disaster. Even the unyielding Andrew Demetriou, a man who you fancy would buy ten bingo cards at the RSL just to get the edge on the old ladies, knew he had to fold. 

Sure, some games in Sydney will be aired on the diminutive 7mate, while every AFL match will be available live on subscription television, but try convincing the marginal western Sydney socio-economic group to shell out a minimum 80 bucks a month when we are about to enter the Carbon Tax era.

Not exactly a rails run for a new club in a niche sport.

There is a group in Sydney that is madly-in-love-with-AFL-lets-move-in-then-get-married-and-get-old-together. The problem is no-one else in town seems to want to dance or flirt with the sport. They don’t even want to be friends with it.

If Sydney was a giant party, AFL is the couple in corner that’s lost in each other’s eyes while everyone else is ignoring them out of resent or embarrassment for them.

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    • S.L says:

      06:56am | 24/05/11

      I won’t knock what a great game AFL is but if you look at participation figures (real ones not spin from AFL headquarters) in NSW and QLD you won’t see any significant increase since the Swans or Lions relocated. Why on earth do both the AFL and NRL seemed hell bent on trying to expand into markets that are just not interested in their product? The Storm could be mentioned hear with barely any support outside expat Kiwis and northerners. No AFL team in Tassie and no NRL team on the central coast and both codes (excluding the Canberra Raiders) aren’t interested in leaving the coastal fringe!
      Go figure!

    • Bilby says:

      09:37am | 24/05/11

      What real figures would those be? The grass roots has gone from strength to strength, especially over the past 10 years, as I’m so fond of pointing out. Just as an example, Roosy could not have got in trouble at an East v Newtown U16 game 10 years ago, because there was no Newtown U16 team.

      AFL know how to develop a market from the bottom up. Nobody sees it happening, then all of a sudden there are all these kids that have grown up playing and following aussie rules. Build it, and they will come.

    • random says:

      12:04pm | 24/05/11

      There’s plenty of people interested in Brisbane and Sydney, just not always watching TV.

      Unfortunately AFL is a game that looks good on TV but loses much of the sense of space and tactics in that medium that comes from seeing it live.

      Many people who I have taken to see live AFL games will subsequently happily watch it on TV as the game almost requires a live understanding to enjoy the TV version.

      The other thing is that you can’t develop a genuine interest in the code in general by playing Swans games live and then consigning just about every other game telecast in Sydney to a late night slot. The only people that get benefit from that are shift workers and insomniacs. At least the next TV deal shows signs on delivering prime time telecasts every week equally around the country. From that position you can grow a support base for the code, not just a one tema mentality.

      Besides that, anyone who supports Rugby League who wants to take a shot at AFL support should wake up. Last weekend had a MCG club match attracting 83,000. When the NRL can come even close to matching that is when they and their supporters get licence to open their traps.

    • S.L says:

      01:05pm | 24/05/11

      @Bilby look at the participation rate between the Hawkesbury River and Taree for example. In many divisions they can barely make the numbers. The AFL quote 700,000 participants last year. Do the maths per head of population, it’s utter rubbish!

    • Porker says:

      05:13pm | 24/05/11

      @random

      League are behind the AFL on creating a culture of attending games and membership but it’s not that simple. Every geographical area of Sydney is represented in the NRL (North Shore accepted, and the Bears WILL be back!) and all play at smaller, suburban grounds usually using local juniors. There is no draft nor is there 8 teams playing out of the same two venues every week. This creates important differences between the two leagues that Melbournites in particular don’t appreciate. All teams are heavily invested in their Leagues Clubs, with the revenue from these traditionally underpinning the league at the expense of a focus on growing crowds.

      The end result, for instance, is that The Penrith Panthers Rugby League Club have net equity of 200 million dollars and the Collingwood Football Club have net equity of only 8 million dollars.

      Plenty enough to open one’s trap about, I’d have thought.

    • Jack Thomas says:

      02:13pm | 25/05/11

      The owners of the networks are Sydney blokes, simple. No programmer in their right mind under a Packer (or similar) will ever put anything but league on their screen.

      Same reason Eddy McGuire was run out of Sydney, he was from Melbourne.

      Sydneysiders have always been fair weathered and flat track bullies. When the Swans win they’re on board, but you have to laugh when the fans clap when the ball goes out of bounds and the ground starts playing music.

      What do you expect from a city that turns itself inside out trying to deal with its international reputation for a gay party capital while also being the home of the redneck surfer?

    • Gareth says:

      06:59am | 24/05/11

      So what are you saying? Should the AFL just admit defeat and pack up and leave town? You see the thing is Sydney people don’t like any sport really. The only reason the bowls rated so well is because Sydneysiders were probably sitting around on the couch smoking billies and going ‘wow man, look at the ball, it’s like… like rolling toward the other one dude’

    • Muttley says:

      08:50am | 24/05/11

      Lol. Actually Gareth, we enjoy sport, we just have other interests as well. A problem the dribbling pack of aerial ping pong fans south of the border clearly dont share, dude. The sad fact of the matter is that lawn bowls is actually far more interesting than AFL.

    • Jim says:

      08:53am | 24/05/11

      I’m guessing you’re one of those Melbournians who claim to be the world’s greatest sporting fanatics? The ones who claim they’ll get 50,000 to the MCG to watch a training session? If so, why is it that Melbourne is the only city on the eastern side of Australia that can only support one code of footy? The union, league and soccer down there are all heavily subsidised.

    • Liam says:

      09:24am | 24/05/11

      Jim,
      wheres your reference for that mate??
      The fact that the melbourne victory is the biggest drawing team in the A-league and that melbourne is the only city that can support 2 A-league franchises at the moment. Union has just started up and the storm get average crowds/memberships.
      Whereas Sydney FC’s crowd attendances have dropped dramatically since there early success in the A-League, The waratahs fans recently berated there own side for there style of play, and most sydney League clubs struggle for crowds/members. Melbourne is also home to Tennis and Formula 1 in australia

    • ronny says:

      09:30am | 24/05/11

      @Jim, yes Jim they are subsidised but they still pull bigger crowds in Melbourne than in their home states. Attendance figures for NRL, Soccer and Union are all higher in Melbourne than anywhere else. For such passionate followers of your code you are a lethargic bunch aren’t you?

    • Adam says:

      07:12am | 24/05/11

      A contributing factor may be the eratic schedualling of AFL games in the northern markets by the “broadcast partners”. Seven in particular has had a substandard approach to showing a product that they paid huge sums of money for during the last broadcast deal.
      Interesting to see the outcome of this newest dea, and any promises of telecast written into the contract. It could well be this record of failure by Ch7 is the AFL’s northern undoing

    • Liam says:

      07:28am | 24/05/11

      Not just using the Sydney market but the national market in general. On PayTV taking the three highest rating games of each round for the last 4 weeks, the NRL has hadan audience of 2,144,000. Divide by the 12 games thats 178,000 per game. The AFL has had 2,210,000 using the same criteria, divide by 12 games and thats 184,000 per game. On Free to air using the 3 highest rating games for the 4 weeks, the NRL has had a total audience of 5,483,000 divide by (only) 11 games and thats 498,000 per game. The AFL has had 6,876,000 divided by 12 gives 573,000 per game. *This only covers metro stats (syd,mel,per,ade and bris) and not regional. I would suspect NRL would claim some ground back as NSW and QLD have a reasonably high regional area, although Tasmania, NT and regional vic also aren’t counted. On the attendences front the AFL averages 38,423 per game, times that by 186 regular season games and thats a total audience of 7,146,604, paying between $30-$60 a ticket. The NRL averages 17,367 per game, over 201 games thats 3,490,778, And AFL is more advertiser friendly noting ad breaks between goals and quaters, and a longer running time, and what you have there is a way more marketable game!
      The NRL has 3 games a week on Free to air and at 2 hours running time is a grand total of 6 hours a week on FTA
      They also have 8 games on PayTV and at 2 hours running time is 16 hours a week.
      From Next Year the AFL will have 4 games on FTA at 3 hours running time is 12 hours a week on FTA.
      The also simulcast those 4 games plus the other 5 games (9 in total) and at 3 hour running time in 27 hours.
      So using simple math, The NRL has 22 hours a week to broadcast their league and try and sell advertising space while the AFL has 39 hours. Which is almost double.
      GWS arent being entered into the competition to get 30k to a game next year, there a 20-30 year project, aimed at the next genereation who havent made up their mind, and with the giants/swans rivalry will only add more interest to the game in the fickle sydney market.
      Take the likes of swans player Keiran Jack, his father a former NRL great, Keiran took up AFL in junior high and is now regarded as one of the swans best midfielders. While soccer is the most played sport among juniors in NSW, AFL is the fastest growing sport among juniors in NSW and with the money being thrown into grassroots footy, it will only continue to grow, and in 20 years time that will be the fanbase on which AFL will start to overtake NRL in sydney.
      And yes the swans have been there for 25 years and have made minimal impact, but the AFL has only really been pumping money into the sydney market for about 10 years.
      Also the out of the top 99 watched events in australian TV since 2001, coming in at 5 and 8 is the 2005/2006 Sydney V West Coast AFL Grand finals.
      AFL Grand finals also take positions 12,13,17,27,28,30 before the highest rating NRL grand final gets a look in at 31.
      While the highest rating NRL State of Origin games comes in at 70
      At the end of the day the NRL still holds ratings domination in sydney , but is slowly but surely losing ground to the AFL
      References
      http://www.tvtonight.com.au/category/ratings
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attendance_figures_at_domestic_professional_sports_leagues
      http://www.throng.com.au/ratings/most-watched-tv-shows-20012009

    • Not good enuff says:

      08:36am | 24/05/11

      Jebus dude… this is “the punch”

      Firstly, delete your references. Supported statements are not welcome here.
      Secondly, call someone a knuckle-dragging neckless bogan or aerial ping-pong knock-on specialist immediately.

      Then say its all the leftists/right whingers’ fault and sign off with a non sequitur (incorrectly spelled).

      Such unwarranteed misunderestimating facts willadd 10c to the price of petrol in the bush.

      ...see how easy that was? Lift your game!

    • Ned Kelly says:

      09:14am | 24/05/11

      Liam get back to your real job of working for the AFL, fantastic numbers but really(!) the world domination of the AFL will never happen, nor will it ever be relevant in NSW or Qld, anyway the State of Origin is on so us NRL freaks have weeks of fantastic footy action both on and off the field and AFL freaks just don’t understand that.

    • Tim says:

      09:19am | 24/05/11

      6 Million people in regional NSW and Qld.
      25% of the total country.
      Mostly Rugby League fans in the Rugby League heartland.
      Convenient that you leave it out isn’t it.

    • Liam says:

      09:25am | 24/05/11

      Sorry, I will try and lower my IQ next time

    • Jay-ded says:

      09:49am | 24/05/11

      @ Not good enuff

      Dude—well said!

    • NS Welshmen says:

      09:59am | 24/05/11

      I would agree most that, the AFL is in for the long haul. Sydney people follow fashion so television viewers of the Swans will ebb and flow depending what sport is deemed to be in at the moment.  However overall it is still the best game to watch live and at the SCG it’s a pleasure. Once you get new people to watch live they always come away with more positive take on the game.

      But on the weekend the Swannies were lazy!

    • Liam says:

      10:10am | 24/05/11

      @Tim,
      I ‘conveniently’ left out regional figure because I could not find them.
      If you look at Demographics of Australia closely, Regional QLD and NSW make up 5.136 million people or 22.6% of the population. Regional VIC,SA,WA plus the total population of Tas and NT(Hobart/Darwin not counted as metro) make up 3.578 million people or 15.7% of the population. And Growing up in the Riverina Distict of NSW I can say with some knowledge that every town south and west of Broken Hill-Griffith-Wagga-Albury is predominantly AFL heartland.
      Not really enough of a ‘Regional’ difference to put weight of some claims that NRL smashes AFL in TV ratings

    • Rowdy Roddy Peeper says:

      12:04pm | 24/05/11

      I refuse to read such a long dense post… especially about AFL…

      Learn to use the enter key mate. Rule of thumb is that shorter paragraphs (no more than 4 lines) make it easier for the eye to read.

    • random says:

      12:14pm | 24/05/11

      Tim & Liam - don’t forget the number of people in those regions of NSW and QLD that are from elsewhere in Australia, and very often that elsewhere is an AFL heartland not NRL. They didn’t move to regional NSW / QLD to watch football, but if they are AFL fans (particularly in some areas of NSW) they pretty much couldn’t watch AFL even if they wanted to - because the eratic and indirect coverage does not promote the code in general.

    • Liam says:

      01:22pm | 24/05/11

      @Tim
      Sorry, Forgot to Carry the one (i.e ACT), the state that I now live in btw, but I still only get 5.35mil for NSW/QLD/ACT regional using the ABS website, small change I know.(stats only reflect as of June 2009 for all states)
      But you cant Call the ACT a RL heartland state, there is a real AFL prescence here as well!
      Also using “The Australian” as a reference point is silly, owned by the same mob as the NRL, of course there going to talk up their product.
      If their figures are even remotely accurate they talk about a cumulative tv audience.
      “Overall, the NRL delivered a total cumulative audience of 120.6 million across all coverage compared to the 111.1 million for the AFL,” the report said. - “The Australian”
      Across all coverage, That includes 24 rounds, finals, 3 State of Origin, A couple of Tests, The Four Nations, City V Country and the Indigineous Game.
      Thats against the AFL’s 22 rounds, finals, and the EJ Whitten Legends Game

    • James Shaw says:

      01:55pm | 24/05/11

      I got half way through that literary master piece and gave up. Those were the most pointless statistics I have ever read as the cherry picking was so blatant. Why on earth pick the top 3 games and times it out as a representation? Why not just pick total viewers for all the games?

      Please ban Li-ame from posting anymore. The punch will lose readers if people have to put up with that dribble.

    • Porker says:

      02:36pm | 24/05/11

      Liam

      You do make some good points but I’m interested in your reasoning when using the ‘national’ figures to compare the games. The NRL is actually an international competition, there being a team from New Zealand. (Or do these people not count?) I think one of Rugby League’s strengths is it’s international flavour, it being the national sport of Papua New Guinea, there being a World Club Challenge and top level competitions in both hemispheres, across four or five countries. Whilst I think at the moment AFL’s ascendancy is not really in dispute there may come a time when the insular nature of the game start’s to count against it. What happens if our marketplace starts to place more of a value on international integration and competition and less of a value on certain suburbs of Melbourne competing against each other at the same two grounds every week?

    • Tim says:

      03:10pm | 24/05/11

      Liam,
      you were the one talking about total product, now you want to compare the same amount of games?
      I don’t know what the game by game figures would be, the AFL would most likely be slightly ahead, but using the 5 capital city figure is just silly and is largely biased to the AFL.
      I also doubt News Ltd have fudged the total figures in that report as the AFL was the one using them.
      On any figures, do you seriously think a second Sydney team will be viable with the ridiculously low support base anywhere in NSW?

    • Brendan says:

      04:12pm | 24/05/11

      Whats also interesting is the capacity rates for attendance. The afl is at 61.14% attendance vs capacity and the NRL is at 48.69%, not that far behind. The total attendance number is not all that relevant if you take into consideration where people are going to watch the games.

    • Belzebarb says:

      04:30pm | 24/05/11

      AFL is so gay. You mob make Richard Reed look like Hugh Heffner

    • Liam says:

      04:34pm | 24/05/11

      @Porker
      Your right about the AFL not having an international flavor, but are we discussing a code or are we discussing a league??

      If discussing a code then the AFL will have a hard time competeing the NRL/UK superleague combo.
      Although the UK Superleague only averages just over 10,000 per match, even worse than the NRL, and don’t ask I have no idea what there TV audience is.

      But if discussing a league,  I dont include NZ because I dont know there ratings, but yes it would add some more ammunition to a league argument. But in a country of 4 million, how many support league/union or smaller sports basketball/soccer/australian rules. I would think in my ill-informed position that Union would cater for well over half of NZ, the all blacks are basically a religion over there yeah??

      An while it nothing more than an ametuer sport elsewhere, AFL is slowly being spread throughout the world…. even though your probably laughing now, have a look into it, theres a 40 team amatuer comp in the US, with slightly more than half the participants are in fact locals and not expats

      @Tim
      I was never talkiing about total product I took a ratio of the 3 higest rating games over the period of 4 weeks and came up with a game average. I did however mention total attendances. I wouldn’t think that anyone within AFL circles believes that GWS will not lose money in its first 10 years, but that is a loss that the AFL is willing to take.

      GWS is being planned for the next generation who havent made up their mind on their sport of choice. Unlike sydney, GWS will have full backing and full funding from the AFL from day one, not left to fend for itself for the first 10 years of its existence.

      I don’t think NRL will ever die, I think there is room in australia for both codes. but AFL is in sydney to stay, it will only grow

    • Porker says:

      05:36pm | 24/05/11

      @Liam

      Well next time, find out what the ratings are in New Zealand before you write a tremendously longwinded post about how the AFL as a league is better supported than the NRL. They’ve been in the League since 1995 which is plenty enough time for you to do a little bit more research.

      And I would posit that Rugby Union supporters in either country watch a fair bit of league when it’s all said and done. I do. All of the kiwi’s I know love Origin and to a man/woman scream for Queensland. Check the ratings for the year the Warriors made the GF. Nobody up here is completely one or the other.

      I just wonder where to for the AFL now, even if GWS does work (and by the way, all you Melbournites, GWS isn’t exactly a closeknit, naturally bonded supporter base. But you guys know best!)  You might get into Canberra, Tasmania is possible and perhaps the WA market could sustain another team extending out. In the meantime, Melbourne, The Bulldogs, Port Adelaide, The Suns, GWS and North all have their hands out.

      In the meantime, look at all the places lining up for the NRL’s next licence. Christchurch, Wellington in New Zealand. Port Moresby. Cairns, Rockhampton, the Sunshine Coast and a second/third teams for Brisbane in Queensland. The Central Coast in NSW. Adelaide and Perth, the last if only for tv time.

      Which league would you buy stock in right now if you were investing in potential? How would an AFL beat out an NRL that had a 24 team competition in 25 years?

      And why did Rupert Murdoch never try to steal your sport?

    • Davo from St Kilda says:

      07:29am | 24/05/11

      Ho hum, another day, another anti-AFL piece coming out of Sydney. From The Punch, again. What is it with the constant bashing of the nation’s biggest football code from the nation’s most miserable city? Is it jealously of the AFL’s overwhelming domination of the country’s sporting landscape? Our superior crowd numbers, the fact that we smash the NRL on both free-to-air and pay TV? The TV rights which, again, have proven that advertisers and business in general would rather put their money on the AFL?

      Poor Sydneysiders. Haven’t got the passion to support their own rugby teams, and criticise those of us who attend the greatest game in the country.

    • Tim says:

      09:25am | 24/05/11

      Once again Davo,
      you know that the NRL beat the AFL for total viewers during last year.
      It’s been pointed out to you over and over again, yet you forget it every thread.
      Using the selective 5 capital city figures that you always put up is forgetting that 6 Million pople or 25% of the total country live in regional NSW and QLD.
      Keep living your Mexican fantasy, AFL will never be big in NSW or Qld.

    • Davo from St Kilda says:

      10:16am | 24/05/11

      @ Tim - where is your proof that the poorly attended NRL outrates the mighty and massively supported AFL? I’ll give YOU proof that the AFL outrates rugby both on free-to air and pay TV. Here it is: http://www.talkingfooty.com/tv_ratings_2011.php 

      You use the term ‘total viewers’, so here are the facts - Over the entire 2009 season, the AFL’s TV audience was 65,023,000 people while the NRL could only manage 40,272,000. Hmm, 65 million is more than 40 million, right?

      Don’t forget that my link provides round-by-round and game-by-game figures, unlike your previous claim which merely plucked an unproven figure from the air.

      Think about it Timmy. If rugby can barely get 10,000 people to a game compared to 30,000 –  90,000 for a game of AFL, how could it have more TV viewers? The number of people at a game directly corresponds to the number of people watching it on TV.

      BTW, I have already been to three games this year which were attended by 60,000, 70,000 and 80,000 fans. Have you EVER been to a game with that many people???

    • Liam says:

      11:16am | 24/05/11

      @Davo from St. Kilda
      Nice, said what I said in half the effort.
      You would think its hard to argue facts, but some people continue to give it a shot

    • Anthony Sharwood

      Anthony Sharwood says:

      11:21am | 24/05/11

      Hey Davo and Tim, I love it when you guys go head to head. Makes it hard to get any work done. Keep it up! That is all.

      Actually it’s not. I love the way you deliberately call “rugby league” rugby Davo, ya cheeky bastard.

      Shame about your beloved Blues last week BTW. I tipped em too.

    • Tim says:

      11:44am | 24/05/11

      Ant,
      I tipped Carlton as well.
      You would think that if you’re getting paid a couple of hundred grand a year, you could kick a goal from 15m out. Unfortunately Warnock choked.
      5 out of 5 in the League helped me out in the tipping but.

      Davo,
      once again your “Proof” is nothing of the sort. Giving 2009 figures for five capital cities only proves that AFL is bigger in Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth than Rugby League is in Sydney, Brisbane in 2009.
      WOW.
      Provide the total figures and then we’ll talk about Proof.

      Once again read this news story:
      http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/media/nrl-disputes-afl-audience-claim/story-e6frg996-1226025045416

    • Mick says:

      12:29pm | 24/05/11

      @Tim
      Your quoting a newspaper whos owner, you guessed it owns half of the NRL.
      All news corp are doing is trying to raise the value of their commodity before they sell out there half.

    • Seano says:

      07:36am | 24/05/11

      I am looking forward to the death of the GWS Gnats. The AFL declared war on the NRL and every other code in this country. They ignored markets like Tassie and the fact that the Swans have been posting losses when they decided to force the GWS round peg into square hole and therefore they deserve everything they get.

    • Davo from St Kilda says:

      09:25am | 24/05/11

      @ Seano - this is the difference between Melbourne and Sydney. Here in Melbourne, we welcome new sporting teams, even if we don’t quite understand them fully at first (go Storm and Rebels!) We hope that they succeed and will even attend the odd game or three, because we love sport. In Sydney, however, for some bizarre reason, people hope that new sporting teams will fail! They actually want new teams to die before they have even played their first official game. What the? How mean-spirited is that?

      In Melbourne, there is enough support and financial backing for sports of all codes to thrive, but in Sydney, it’s obvious that the sporting fans are too blinkered and ignorant to acknowledge that there is a big world out there full of different sporting codes. This is why Melbourne has been acknowledged as the World’s Greatest Sporting City, while no one has ever heard of Sydney.

      BTW, Seano. The AFL never ‘declared war’ on the NRL. They simply responded to the demand for a superior sporting product. And Tasmania has never been ignored. AFL games have been played there for years, something you should be aware of before posting such ill-informed comments…

    • Seano says:

      12:27pm | 24/05/11

      Bullshit.

      You don’t play our games live on TV. You don’t cover our game in the media. You shove an unwanted team into an area tha has no interest in AFL despite the fact that the Swans are posting losses and Tassie are crying out for a team.

      You’re full of it champ just like your silly game, boring game.

    • Barry says:

      01:11pm | 24/05/11

      Seano,

      Sorry to break the news to you, but wasn’t it the NRL that established a team in melbourne WELL before GWS was even conceived? Be careful who you accuse of declaring war…

      Why is it that so many people are so one-eyed about their sport, like it’s one of their children. I happily enjoy supporting the Tigers, the Pies and the Waratahs simultaneously. They’re different games and can be all appreciated for their differences.

      I played all three codes at different times through school and in seniors. I find it difficult to understand why so many people can only handle one code at a time…

      I’ll just finish with pointing out the MASSIVE dollars that the NRL lose on the Storm every year. If I was a beeting man I’d have my money on the Storm folding before GWS does.

    • n_dude says:

      01:34pm | 24/05/11

      I agree with Seano. Melburnians are one-eyed VFL supporters and when I lived there I could never see an NRL game on free to air TV which was saturated with VFL coverage. Why setup a team in rugby league heartland when Tassie and NT, where the game is equally popular, cannot?

    • Seano says:

      03:05pm | 24/05/11

      I’m sorry to break it to you Barry but there where AFL teams moving into NRL territory well before the Melbourne Storm was conceived. Like many sports fans I did not object to the Swans or the Bears, peaceful co-existence was more than fine. I went to Locketts record breaking game so this wasn’t that long ago.

      I’ve also played every sport under the sun, including AFL, I even went to school in Vic and was on the school team for the short time I was there. I had a team I supported and even some of their merchandise.

      As I said, it’s the constant lack of respect that the NRL and every other code receives from the AFL that has turn me from a sports fan who was happy with peaceful co-existence to someone who absolutely refuses to have anything to do with AFL. It is barred in my house.

      No coverage or respect shown shown to the NRL or any non AFL code really in VIC despite how well the Swans are treated in Sydney.

      Forcing a team into a rugby league heartland that has no interest in the NRL. Despite the Swans posting losses, despite the fact that the Sydney market is already flooded and can’t support a basket ball team. Despite the fact that there are AFL territories wich are crying out for a team.

      The constant shove it down your throat arrogance of loud mouth dullard AFL supporters like Davo with their “supperior product” and “national game” delusions.

    • S.L says:

      03:19pm | 24/05/11

      Davo where is Tasmania’s stand alone AFL team? Don’t say Hawthorn either! Just a weak after thought….......... As for Melbourne embracing other sporting codes? Look through a paper or news reports out of Melboring and you are hard pressed to find anything other than aerial ping pong, even in cricket season! Your crowds do swamp Sydneys as we always agree but don’t for one minute think you win the TV wars. Wednesday nights State of Origin League is traditionaly in the top 2 or 3 TV programs every year nationally.

    • Matt of Jerra Shore says:

      09:14pm | 24/05/11

      @S.L
      Tasmania doesn’t have an AFL for a number of reasons.
      First the demographic of Tas, where to base the team? hobart (the capital) is in the south, while 2/3 of the population is in the north of TAS.
      Secondly, the AFL sees the Gold Coast and western syd and more lucrative markets financially,
      And thirdly most of TAS is already behind an AFL team so theres no certanty that most of the state will get on board. There will be a team in TAS… in time.

      As for SOO being in the top 2 or 3 programs annually
      http://www.throng.com.au/ratings/most-watched-tv-shows-20012009
      nuff said!!

    • Davo from St Kilda says:

      09:19pm | 24/05/11

      @ S.L. - the “State of Origin League is traditionaly in the top 2 or 3 TV programs every year nationally.”? Are you deluded? Of the top 99 watched shows in the last decade, the highest ranked rugby state of origin came in at number 70, while 9 AFL games were watched by more people. See http://www.throng.com.au/ratings/most-watched-tv-shows-20012009 . More proof that AFL kills NRL hands down.

    • peter warrington says:

      07:40am | 24/05/11

      the swans are not pretty to watch. they need to move away from Roos’ obsession with defence - which he has carried onto the Couch.  add to that a small ground and a way too low camera angle and all you see if a swamp of uninteresting players. compare that with the gladiatorial cats v blues night game from the MCG on friday night. i hate both clubs but it was a superb spectacle. my tigers staged a classic against essendon the next night -83k at the game and squillions watching the replay, and a few of us sneaking it early on Main Event.

      GWS will have its own feel and audience. i suspect its underdog nature will grab many - it already has, in league mad suburbs like Rooty Hill. there will be people who will watch 12 hours league and now 3 hours of AFl every week.
      it will also give expats a second chance to see their team in Sydney. surrounded by fans rather than swannnnnnniiiiiieees.

      PS GO TIGES!

    • jeff says:

      07:45am | 24/05/11

      what’s afl?

    • TChong says:

      08:15am | 24/05/11

      Whats the issue?
      Cant someone like one or the other, or as many do, follow both ?
      AFL isnt going to take over from the NRL, nor the NRL usurp the AFL.
      Plenty of room for both.

    • Shifter says:

      12:37pm | 24/05/11

      Dollars Chongy. People tend to have a finite income, and prefer to spend their disposable income on the things they like best. So if the money is spent on AFL tickets and merchandise as opposed to NRL, then the AFL wins.

      Which is all this Gold Coast Suns and Western Sydney Giants expansion is all about, more money from untapped markets.

      If the AFL believes that Tasmania has a potential to bring more money than it already is to the game, they’d be in there like a rocket.

    • Dave-o says:

      08:21am | 24/05/11

      What’s that about lazy reporting.

      Subscription TV has the highest sign up rate in area’s of low socio-economic status.

    • Andrew G says:

      08:42am | 24/05/11

      Dan, why do you care? No-one in Melbourne is saying the Storm are rubbish and should shut down despite them not being all that popular, we are happy to have any team down here. Same with the Rebels. More sports options on TV and in stadiums means more kids will experience sport and want to get out of the house and have a go themselves. That’s got to be good for the health and wellbeing of the next generation.

    • Andoo says:

      10:46am | 24/05/11

      But if Nrl started a second team in Melbourne I’m sure questions would asked from Nrl and AFL supporters.

    • Hamish says:

      11:18am | 24/05/11

      Sydneysiders are all scared that their thug’s game invented by inbred Yorshiremen will be subsumed by our glorious indigenous game, that’s why they’re so obsessed by the Swans and GWS. In Melbourne we’re happy to have a league team to cater for a specific niche audience because we know it won’t ever rival the AFL. ‘Cos, you know, aussie rules is just a superior game.

    • Mark Bourke says:

      08:51am | 24/05/11

      BLAH BLAH BLAH !!!  Why would News corp and 7 pay over 1.25 Billion big ones for the AFL television rights. NRL are just picking up the scraps !!!!

    • Jim says:

      08:58am | 24/05/11

      There’s a couple of things always omitted by pro-AFL writers when spruiking the attendance figures of a Swans match;

      1. With a trip from Melbourne to Sydney now costing roughly the same as admission price to the ground, what proportion of the crowd are not from Sydney?
      2. There is on average, 1 AFL game in Sydney every 2 weeks. There are 4-6 NRL games in Sydney every week.

      But there’s no question that the NRL could do a lot more to get the crowds in, and it’s embarrassing to see a friday night game played in an eerily empty stadium…drop the ticket prices!!! 50,000 people paying $10 a pop is definately better than 10,000 people paying $50 each when you add in the extra revenue from parking, food, drink and merchandise sales.

    • random says:

      12:23pm | 24/05/11

      Jim, your missing some big points. It doesn’t matter that there are 4-6 matches of NRL each week - they are hard pushed getting a total combined crowd equal to the crowd that turned up to a single club match last weekend at the MCG - 83,000. At the same time there were other AFL matches that all drew much larger crowds than comparible NRL fixtures, including the Swans. When the NRL can draw 83,000 to a club match (not a final or State of Origin), then League and its supporters have license to comment. Until then, retreat to Fox2 and watch the League.

    • Jim says:

      12:32pm | 24/05/11

      I think you missed what I said random - key points like “Swans match”, “Sydney” and the entirety of my last paragraph.

      I don’t really care what happens in Melbourne…no self respecting NSW’man or league fan does. raspberry

    • random says:

      01:12pm | 24/05/11

      Jim,

      Your last point is well made about associated costs and sports fixtures in general, but must serve by comparison to suggest that the NRL has all the magnetic drawing power of a pile of sawdust when pitted against AFL, which has much the same cost structure for attendance. I grant you that the Swans pull large crowds on a less frequent basis than the collective local derbies of the NRL, but they have a loyal supporter base still paying money week in week out to see them which is no different than the NRL teams (match attendance excepting). A Penrith fan can go to a home game every second week, as can a St George fan. By the nature of the writing above, you would believe they have much the same size supporter base as the Swans, but the fans are not there. I still suggest that until NRL fix its own pathetic crowds then it has scant capacity to comment on the drawing power of any other code in any medium (live or broadcast), rival or not.

    • lgilb_e@hotmail.com says:

      07:26pm | 25/05/11

      How big and important is the new AFL tv rights deal ?? Well Foxtel will have a dedicated 24hr AFL channel. And for NRL? Some games on Fox sports 2, for those who cant be bothered showing up with 10k other dregs at an NRL suburban slum. NRL is 30 yrs behind the AFL and going nowhere.
      Enough said.

    • Shane says:

      09:38am | 24/05/11

      Frankly I don’t bother watching such boring drivel. I prefer to watch the biggest, strongest, fastest and most impressive athletes on the planet. That’s why I watch the NBA.

    • Shifter says:

      11:41am | 24/05/11

      Fastest? Wrong game mate. NHL any day.

      Strongest? I think most forms of football involving hands would have something to say about that. League, Union, AFL and NFL.

      Biggest? Tall maybe. I think the NFL or rugby players would generally be larger than the stringbean basketballers.

      Most impressive? Depends on taste really. LeBron’s dunks are cool, but so are Datsyuk’s stick skills, Peyton Manning’s passing and Jurrah’s high flying marks.

    • Shane says:

      12:50pm | 24/05/11

      Fastest as in sprinters, it’s no contest. Only NFL comes close, and even then it’s only a handful of Wide Recievers. Rugby’s got a few quicks on the wings, too, I’ll grant you.

      Strongest? HA! The Average NBA player is 6’7” and 100kg. Average! That’s Key Forward territory in the AFL. Sonny Bill Williams is 6’4” and 108kg. Take someone like Shaquille O Neal (in his prime) and he would swat away NFLers like flies. Of course, he was an exceptional specimen, but today’s superstars (LeBron James, Dwight Howard) would just flat-out dominate anything in Australia for sheer strength. Dwight Howard can Bench Press 160kg whilst maintaining a vertical leap of 90+cm and freakish sprinting ability. Ben Wallace can Bench Press 210kg.

      Biggest: See above. Clearly bigger, not just taller. It’s not even close. Sure, the PGs are relatively small, but then you hit SF (6’6” - 6’9”, 95-105kg), and ultimately you get to the big fellas, the PFs and Cs, at close to 7’0” and 120kg+.

      Most impressive: Well, I don’t even consider league impressive since it’s a 2D sport that involves a huge amount of “OK, you tackled me, now be nice and get off!” At least Union is hard enough to keep playing. AFL players are phenominally fit, but watching them live I am continually underwhelmed with their agilty and hand-eye coordination. That’s why they’re recruiting junior basketballers in droves these days - the coordination is lacking in kids brought up on a diet of footy and footy alone.
      Nobody outside of Canada has cared about Ice Hockey in years.
      Peyton Manning can pass. Good for him. Talk about a one-dimensional sport! What a joke. You know they’ve done studies that show the average “live ball” game time in the NFL is 11 minutes per game. 11 MINUTES!

      Long story short, in the NBA you have guys who are physically more impressive, playing a game that requires far more agility, in a 3D environment, at a quicker pace than anything other major sports (I’m being generous here with NRL, AFL) can offer.

    • Tim says:

      01:21pm | 24/05/11

      Shane,
      so what you are really saying is that a country of 270 million people produces better sportspeople than a country of 22 million.
      Who wouldve thunk it?

    • Shane says:

      02:10pm | 24/05/11

      @Tim, pretty much. Combine that with obvious genetic advantages for black men, and you have a group of superior athletes with the world at their feet, who could excel at any sport they turn their hand to.

      They choose basketball, and basketball benefits. Simple, really.

    • In the Know says:

      10:54am | 24/05/11

      In the know

      the AFL move into Western Sydney has nothing to do with NRL…its purely acting to try and subvert soccer whihc is played at grass roots level and by most children living in the area except islanders

      getting in now is a long term plan to build a bridge head now and into the future

    • AFR says:

      01:10pm | 24/05/11

      If they aren’t after Rugby/League playing Islanders, why did they sign Israel Falou?

    • Justin says:

      10:58am | 24/05/11

      At least the AFL has a watertight broadcast contract. The NRLs contract with Channel 9 seems to be housed in a colander, with Gallop & co allowing Nine to drill a few extra holes in it every now & then.

      We’re up for a delayed broadcast of Friday nights double header, we had a delayed game for the bloody royal wedding, & the form that the Warriors are in, you just know there’ll be a Friday night final in New Zealand, & captain “aww it’s the best thing for our fans (not giving them the game live)” Gallop will be out telling us that he’s allowed Ch 9 to once again break their contract in the lead up.

      There’s only one football code in Australia that is truly professional in the administrative stakes, & I’ll give you the tip, it isn’t the NRL.

      The AFLs attitude to a new idea is why not?

      The NRLs attitude is um, ah, well recent history (from 20 years ago) tells us that it’s probably not feasible. We need to concentrate on the existing blah blah. The game’s never been in better shape. Excuse me while I extract this flag like white handkerchief out of my pocket & wave it around.

      The Saturday after the Test match, the only NRL game was on at 7:30pm. Did the AFL miss the chance? Nope, they had the Swans game at 1pm & a 4pm game that went through to 7pm. 6 straight hours of AFL on ABC radio in Sydney. Tell me that wasn’t planned?

    • Ando says:

      02:49pm | 24/05/11

      So just so you can watch a game live the Nrl takes a massive cut in revenue because nine cant fit in ads in a live game. Afl can put an ad in every goal. Watching a game slightly delayed doesnt bother me at all.

    • Justin says:

      04:23pm | 24/05/11

      Poor old Nine, my heart bleeds for them. They’ve been f*cking over league since the Kerry Packer days.

      If you want to watch sport on delay, get a PVR. I want to watch it live so that I can sync the ABC radio commentary & get rid of the gibberers in the Nine commentary box.

    • Shane says:

      12:07pm | 24/05/11

      As a spectator sport:
      A bad NRL game is terrible to watch.
      A bad AFL game is terrible to watch.
      A top-class NRL game is bearable to watch.
      A top-class AFL game is exciting to watch.
      There’s the difference.

      The mistake of GCS and GWS is not where they play, but the fact that they dilute the talent pool even further. Ask the North American pro sports leagues about expanding before the talent is there to do so… the product itself suffers and you end up with four or five teams monopolising things. But the AFL is trying to convince us that somehow, in the space of two years, the total number of players capable pf playing absolute top-flight AFL has risen by 80-odd? This, despite the fact that the WAFL, SANFL, VFL etc are obviously inferior products? Where have these 80 blokes been hiding?

    • Beaussie says:

      12:35pm | 24/05/11

      I give up on the Swans and AFL. The game has become soft and boring and no longer interests me. I can understand why nobody watches it on TV.

    • Peter says:

      12:57pm | 24/05/11

      I love AFL and get quite bored by NRL boof-heads but I do believe it is unfair to compare the crowd at the Roosters/Knights game to the Swans game. You have to realise that there is only 1 AFL team in Sydney (currently) and there is a LOT of rugby league teams so obviously there is a bigger fan base for the one team who covers the WHOLE of sydney for AFL opposed to roosters (just eastern suburbs of sydney.

    • Dave says:

      01:06pm | 24/05/11

      If Sydney NRL supporters aren’t interested in AFL why do they bite so hard… because the inevitable is happening right before their eyes and they are afraid! Even the weakest AFL clubs have more paid up members than NRL clubs would dream of getting to a game - has to say something?

    • Steve says:

      01:18pm | 24/05/11

      Davo,
      You don’t get to call yourselves the World’s Greatest Sporting City until more than 1% of your population learns the difference between “rugby” and “rugby league” and when to use which term in the modern sporting vernacular.
      Someone from the World’s Greatest Sporting City would know that…

    • Shane says:

      01:57pm | 24/05/11

      Steve,
      The only difference between union and league that most of us south of border care to know is that there is a few different rules, its pretty much the same game.
      I doubt you will find 2 games of backyard cricket with the same ruleset but at the end of the day its still backyard cricket

    • Other Shane says:

      03:18pm | 24/05/11

      To paraphrase…

      League is a game for thugs played by thugs.
      Rugby is a game for thugs played by gentlemen.

    • Gavin says:

      01:33pm | 24/05/11

      I find the constant whistle blowing makes watching AFL on TV unbearable.
      FWEEEP….....FWEEEP….....FWEEEP….......FWEEEP…........FWEEEP!

    • macca-d says:

      01:36pm | 24/05/11

      1) The SCG is actually a really good footy venue.  Went there for my first game last week.
      2) Beautiful Sunday arvo - possibly the last before Spring - is not the best time to be watching the footy on telly.

    • Saskia says:

      01:47pm | 24/05/11

      The constant knocking, fear, and hysterics from the Rugby League fans tells us that they are sh*tting their bloomers about AFL.

      When the AFL dragon truly awakes in NSW and Redneckland then its game set and match for the NRL.  Sydney and Brisbane are traditionally poor supporters of live sport compared to the other cities.  Sure they sit out in their bogan outer burbs and watch short fat guys sniff b*ms on TV but this will be even more sad when the AFL is getting packed houses in every CBD stadium in the land.

      Get on the AFL bus now or forever be a dinosaur watching a 2D sport with no crowds.

    • Saskia says:

      01:48pm | 24/05/11

      The constant knocking, fear, and hysterics from the Rugby League fans tells us that they are sh*tting their bloomers about AFL.

      When the AFL dragon truly awakes in NSW and Redneckland then its game set and match for the NRL.  Sydney and Brisbane are traditionally poor supporters of live sport compared to the other cities.  Sure they sit out in their bogan outer burbs and watch short fat guys sniff b*ms on TV but this will be even more sad when the AFL is getting packed houses in every CBD stadium in the land.

      Get on the AFL bus now or forever be a dinosaur watching a 2D sport with no crowds.

    • Trevor says:

      02:13pm | 24/05/11

      To the majority of Sydneysiders watching AFL is as entertaining as watching a flock of seagulls fighting over a soggy chip. I can’t even tell the difference between a good game of AFL and a bad game of AFL, it all looks like a fumbling bumbling mess regardless.

    • Max Emery says:

      02:13pm | 24/05/11

      It’s not like Sydneysiders haven’t had time to check AFL out and decide if it’s worth following. We have and it isn’t.

      That’s why the ratings are abysmal and that’s why the decision to put another team in Sydney is just simply funny.

    • grant says:

      02:35pm | 24/05/11

      The TV ratings of the 1st Swans V GWS game will be massive.  Check out Lions V Suns in QLD a RL State the 2nd most watch Fox sports game ever.  Local rivalry will be huge.  All good for the game.

    • Max Emery says:

      07:32pm | 24/05/11

      Pounds to peanuts that the vast majority of the ratings for the Suns v Lions game came from the southern states. Same will happen with the Swans v GWS.

      One quick glance at the Swans ratings will show you which way AFL’s ratings are headed in Sydney.

      You my good fellow, are in for a shock. Talk it up all you like but when GWS hit town, the Swans are the only team that will suffer.

    • Steve says:

      02:53pm | 24/05/11

      Shane,
      Point taken, although you’re missing mine about the World’s Greatest Sporting City. No one who wants to spruik that term so liberally would dare get caught out being so lax about the different codes, surely??!!

    • Rob says:

      04:07pm | 24/05/11

      Oh my sweet lord.

      Stop the ‘mines bigger than yours’ contest and simply watch what you want to watch. 

      Personally, I think TV ratings in Sydney are so poor for the AFL because fans of the code are used to being neglected and subject to 11:30pm time slots.  They’re used to relying on web/social media for scores and news.

      Anyone who doesn’t believe AFL is growing at a rate far beyond NRL is ignorant or stupid.  Check out club membership stats in the last 10 years as a starting point.  Also, having 2 teams in Sydney and Bris/GC isn’t about ratings and ticket sales… it’s about having the same situation as Adelaide and Perth now have… a home game every weekend.  Both codes are business, not sport.  They exist not to give you something to do on a weekend, but to get the players and execs PAID.

      Heads out of bums and take it for what it is.  Also, AFL rules and go Kangas!

    • Tim says:

      04:51pm | 24/05/11

      Yes, lets look at the AFL growth in Sydney:
      Year: Members, Ave Crowd
      1997: 22109, 36612
      1998: 31089, 31549
      1999: 31175, 30586
      2000: 30177, 25308
      2001: 28022,  27556
      2002: 27755, 25270
      2003: 21270, 32244
      2004: 25010, 30964
      2005: 24955, 31516
      2006: 30382, 32877
      2007: 32500, 35632
      2008: 26721, 32834
      2009: 27500, 30506
      2010: 28671, 31586

      Obviously massive growth can be seen year on year. Any one who disagrees is ignorant of the all encompassing AFL juggernaut.

    • Davo from St Kilda says:

      09:05pm | 24/05/11

      @ Tim – while you’re talking about club membership totals, let’s look at some more numbers. In 2010, nearly 600,000 Australian people were AFL members, while a mere 120,,000 were NRL members. It just keeps getting more embarrassing for you, doesn’t it chump?

    • Tim says:

      09:14am | 25/05/11

      Davo,
      we’re talking about Sydney here.
      You know the place where you said that AFL is going to take over?
      We don’t care what sport you Mexicans support, you’re the one talking up AFL north of the border.
      The figures have really shown amazing growth hey?

      But but but….....you know AFL’s the best and all that. Davo told me so.

    • Xman says:

      04:34pm | 24/05/11

      Amazing how the author forgets to mention the Swans game was ad free on Foxtel. 46k FTA, plus 50k or so on foxtel, plus the 33k at the game and I’d say the support for AFL in Sydney is fairly decent. The NRL game only rated 240k with stuff all attending the game.

      And on GWS, the AFL obviously believe there is room for expansion in Sydney because it appears Sydney do not follow NRL in decent numbers.

    • The MCG is my Church says:

      04:58pm | 24/05/11

      Wow.  Rugby comes to Melbourne and people love and embrace it.  The Rebels are getting great crowds, and the Storm are supported by the media in leaps and bounds.  But send the AFL to individualistic and vein Sydney and suddenly the sport is being dissected and critiqued like as if someone at AFL ranks started the debate to begin with.  People in Sydney need to give up trying to bury everything good that comes out of Melbourne.  A majority of Australians love Aussie Rules in some capacity.  Just because Sydney doesn’t, doesn’t mean it has no importance.  Get over it and move on. The AFL is here to stay in NSW and QLD.  It is officially the nation’s number one sport.  You can try to counter that with your television figures all you want, but no sport in Australia gets as much coverage in not only one, not only two, not only three, but FOUR states as the AFL does.

      And seriously, 33k people from Sydney are turning up to watch a game LIVE and upfront, and yet the author STILL tries to dilute the game’s worth by showcasing television ratings?  How many people go out and support their clubs?  There is no where near the same amount of passion and commitment from NRL fans as there is AFL fans.

      The other is a bitter, Melbourne-hating dweeb (yes, I said “dweeb”)

    • loudstrat says:

      06:06pm | 24/05/11

      Such is the way with the paranoid and scared rugby league fan

      AFL has massive crowds throughout the whole country
      AFL has large and growing participation numbers all over the country
      AFL has just signed the biggest TV deal in Australian history
      AFL has dominant ratings in Perth, Melbourne, Adelaide
      AFL has good ratings in Brisbane
      AFL has poor ratings in Sydney

      Which of these facts warrants an article from a Sydneysider obviously terrified of AFL?

      The fear and paranoia is a uniquely Sydney Rugby League thing too… RL fans from Brisbane are totally secure about the AFL. They either like it or are ambivalent, but they certainly arent fearful. They dont feel the need to deride it.

      But then again, Brisbane people actually attend NRL games.

      Maybe those two things are linked.

    • Porker says:

      07:20pm | 24/05/11

      Sigh.

      Not paranoid, not scared, just a little bewildered as to how people like you get to be so ignorant. And arrogant.

      Maybe those two things are linked.

      It’s not only Rugby League fan’s from Sydney with a problem, here. Let me tell you…

      It’s those of us from Western Sydney - a vastly diverse, vastly spread out area who are being linked together artificially by know alls from Melbourne like you through GWS. Baulkham Hills, Balmain, Burwood, Bonnyrigg, Blacktown. Nothing alike. Nowhere near each other.

      It’s all of those from NSW who have a soft spot for the Swans - the least locally hated team in the league - who suddenly have know alls up from Melbourne trying to manufacture a spiteful rivalry between the Swans and GWS.

      It’s anybody who sees the ‘five capital cities’ figures quoted by the likes of you that comes from somewhere like Newcastle, the Central Coast, the Illawarra, Gold Coast/Tweed, the Greater Canberra Area, the Sunshine Coast, the Qld Central Coast, Cairns and any of the other significant areas of population that are League areas and don’t seem to count or be acknowledged by you (and even worse get lumped in as being ‘Sydneysiders)’. (You have Geelong and Hobart in reply, I know. But thats it)

      It’s the entire nation of New Zealand who have a direct interest in Rugby League through the team they have in the NRL, yet get ignored by know alls like you because it suits your purpose.

      It’s all of the people who like Rugby Union (which supports ten teams in our region) and watch a bit of League, yet have to listen to know alls like you and/or your mates calling them both Rugby and ignoring the fact that 95% of both sets of fans would prefer the other over AFL.

      Its the entire population of Papua New Guinea, for whom League is their national sport and whom would all love a team in the NRL. Perhaps the AusAID money being wasted in South Africa on AFL would be better spent closer to home?

      It’s those of us who cringe at the insularity and parochialism of the people in AFL states in particular. It’s downright embarrassing that in this age of globalisation an entire city measures it’s self worth by how many fans go to a game of football. There is no engaging with the closest country next door, or to anybody in the Northern Hemisphere. (Not since you turned on the thuggery on the poor amateur Irish)

      All of us have a problem with people like you. And we’re not all Paranoid Sydneysiders.

    • The MCG is my Church says:

      01:01pm | 25/05/11

      @Porker The AFL does more to expand and evolve, and become more accessible overseas, than what Rugby does, or any NRL or Super Rugby league does.  Melbourne doesn’t look at crowd figures and say, “oh, the AFL is better”, it looks at the way the NRL treats non-Sydney or QLD-teams.  There is absolutely no support.  I mean, what the hell is your argument?  We see the AFL and we want as many people as possible to play it and enjoy it.  The NRL just doesn’t care about that.  I mean, you’re critical of a league because it’s pushing a team into a growing demographic?  Really?  I don’t think you can see how pathetic that argument is.

      Also, any team in Geelong or Hobart would be stronger and exposed far greater around the country than any teams in Newcastle or Wollongong.  What does that say about the sport?

      We judge crowds because that indicates interest.  If you have people putting bums on seats, that means people are going out of their way and spending their time supporting the team.  33,000 at a Swans game means 33,000 people are dedicated and committed to attend.  In a city of almost 5 million, you’d think a new team wouldn’t be out of the question.

      Sydney is fearful, because it hates seeing something that thrives and is exposed as much as the AFL is that isn’t from Sydney.  They hate that it’s from Melbourne.  It’s very, very obvious. 

      Can you possibly imagine an article in a Melbourne newspaper discussing how “slaughtered” the Storm have been in the ratings?

      No, because the city embraces and accepts anything and anyone.  We don’t see Rubgy as a Sydney sport.  We see it as another sport we can dominate in (and we will, even without cheating).  Whereas Sydney looks at AFL and thinks “MELBOURNE!”. 

      The AFL is Australia’s sport.  You cannot get around that.  I mean, the amount of revenue generated and money spent on licenses and whatnot are more than enough proof of the sport’s worth in the country.

      Get a clue.  This is not about AFL vs Rugby.  It’s about Melbourne vs Sydney, and it’s absolutely pathetic.

      Anyone would think people would embrace a new professional sports team.  What city in the world actually kicks up a fuss whenever a new team comes to town?  The city of Sacramento almost collapsed when the Kings almost moved down to LA.  Be grateful. 

      In Sydney?

      “WE DON’T WANT AFL BECAUSE THE LEAGUE IS TRYING TO CREATE RIVALRIES AND WE DON’T LIKE THE WAY IT SPENDS ITS MONEY AND MARKETS THE GAME AND WE DON’T CARE IF IT WANTS TO GROW THE SPORT BECAUSE THIS IS RUGBY HEARTLAND AND THAT’S IT!”

      That’s the exact mentality that makes the NRL the amateur, irrelevant league that it is.

    • Tim says:

      01:47pm | 25/05/11

      The MCG is my Church ,
      the delusion in your post is hilarious.
      Sydney and Brisbane people on the whole don’t care about AFL.
      It’s not Australia’s sport, it’s Melbourne’s, Adelaide’s and Perth’s.
      Don’t you see how arrogant you sound when you just assume that we’ll follow your sport because you say so? Your assumptions of superiority are ridiculous.
      Part of the reason Sydney people don’t like the AFL and especially the fans is because of the attitude that you’ve displayed in spades here.
      Take a look at the comments, If Mexicans were truly accepting of other sports you wouldn’t see the amount of vitriol you see on this page for followers of other sports.

    • Randy says:

      06:44pm | 24/05/11

      Rugby League is the worst football sport known to man after Gridiron.  If we just saw sense, got rid of it, and turned all the league players into Union players we’d be much better off.  The Wallabies would actually be good, and real football (soccer to the bogans) would have more room to grow.  AFL is much better to watch than league….

    • bikinis on top says:

      08:29pm | 24/05/11

      Please give Tasmania , Sydney’s Second team before 2012.

    • Rich Mond says:

      11:30pm | 24/05/11

      When is the NRL going to realise that it’s greatest asset - The State of Origin, is also it biggest liability. 

      Australians are such a parochial bunch that anybody outside on NSW and QLD doesn’t give two hoots about the game.  Victorian’s cannot stand New South Welsman and Queenslanders are not that weloome either so why would they show any interest in a game between these two states.  There is a reason why 9 show the game very late.

      What incentive does a kid growing up in suburban Melbourne have to play Rugby League,.  No State team (of any relevence) for him.

      Face facts Rugby League is not the main game whever it is played -  England (Football) , Australia (AFL) and New Zealand (Union).  It has regional following and nothing more.

    • Ben says:

      07:32am | 25/05/11

      Hi Dan, could you please tell me the ratings between Roosters v Knights in Victoria, South Australia, Western Australia and Tasmania? Or is only Sydney is classed as Australia????? Rugby League is a great game aswell as the AFL, but lets not kid ourselves. The NRL is way behind the AFL soley because of the NSW influence into the NRL. Queensland is the new home of Rugby league not NSW . AFL is the massive monster and their goal in NSW is not to convert you Dan, its to convert the Kids. Are you that blind Dan????? Unless the NRL does something about the AFL the AFL will only become stronger in Sydney.The Afl Might only have 5% of the market now, but in 5yrs time it could have 10% of the market slowly chipping away Rugby League!!!!! It’s people like you Dan that is slowly destroying the game of Rugby League.

    • Mark Young says:

      09:26am | 25/05/11

      Reading through these comments, It is clear that a lot of people from the Southern States have trouble getting their heads around the fact that up here in the North, we see the AFL as being as silly and irrelevant as they see the NRL.

      Personally I don’t see why either group of fans cares about the other.

      Are there any Collingwood fans here who feel that their premiership was cheapend because there wasn’t a team from Western Sydney in the comp?

      Live and let live people

 

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