It is an extraordinary moment. A stadium of 4,000 hormone-charged teenagers from all walks of life, sitting in absolute silence, engrossed by the scene playing out before them. No one has asked them to be quiet. It just happens when you’re watching strangers die in front of you.


We are at the 2011 Youth and Road Trauma forum, an event which is the brainchild of the extraordinary team at Sydney’s Westmead Hospital Trauma unit. Exhausted from years of dealing with pulverised youthful bodies due to motor vehicle crashes, the team’s director Dr Ken Harrison decided it’s time for a new tack.

Usually, 16 and 17 year-olds converge at the Acer Arena for rock concerts. This is different. The scene unfolding on the large arena floor is a re-creation of a fatal road crash involving teenagers. The ‘drivers’ and ‘passengers’ are young actors, but everyone else is an emergency professional playing their roles in such a matter-of-fact manner, it’s deeply disturbing to watch.

Before the shows starts, NSW Premier Barry O’Farrell, a father of two teenagers, tells the crowd “it’s likely there are people in this room who will die in a car accident”. Not the sort of straightforward thing you’d normally hear a politician say, but the truth is more powerful than fiction.

Other road-safety shock campaigns have also used actors. But this one is different. For starters, the scenario is based on real events that happened in 2003. Teenage friends driving home from an end-of-school party, sharing texts while driving, a trip that ended in death and injury. And this re-creation is not on a small screen. This one is right in front of the kids, with sirens, screams and lots and lots of (fake) blood.

The event is narrated by Dr Ken Harrison, a lively, rock solid fellow with over 20 years experience in trauma work. He solemnly explains from his podium, as the scene unfurls before our eyes,  the process of what happens step-by-step at a crash scene. It’s so gut-wrenchingly realistic my colleague and I feel giddy.

Watching it unfold connects the audience with all the participants, not through clever scripting or artful direction but the sheer reality of watching dozens of strangers mopping up what could be your blood, pulling apart your car, photographing your dead body.

Just when you think the drama is ending, there’s more. And this time it’s 100 per cent real. Real life crash survivors with brain injuries take the stand. They address the silent crowd, revealing intimate details of permanently losing their faculties at 17.

This is the sixth year of the forum and it appears the message could be working. The road stats in NSW seem to be on their side. There has been a steady decline in fatalities, particularly in the 17-25 year old risk group.

Dr Ken tells me he likes to think it’s due to this campaign though its too early to tell - and texting has led to a new mode of crashes. He says that by seeing the Forum, the safety message stays with the audience for much longer. It’s factual, not preachy, and this is the generation who appreciate facts.

Here’s hoping they remember the facts on Saturday nights to come.

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    • atthepub says:

      06:04am | 24/06/11

      What took everyone so long to finally get real? When will we take the keys away from repeat offenders who are putting everyones lives at risk?

    • acotrel says:

      09:20am | 24/06/11

      ‘This is the sixth year of the forum and it appears the message could be working. The road stats in NSW seem to be on their side. There has been a steady decline in fatalities, particularly in the 17-25 year old risk group.’

      And this is supposed to make youngsters into COMPETENT drivers?  It’d be interesting to know the stats about motor sport competitors who have died in road accidents ! !  I wonder how many of the kids we train to ride MX bikes in competition will be adding to the list of deceased through their own incompetence? Sometimes the cure for a disease is simply more of the same! Motor racing is all about managing risk appropriately, the earlier it is learnt the better.

    • Matt says:

      09:52am | 24/06/11

      No acotrel, it is supposed to make them into LIVE, rather than DEAD drivers. Besides, competence comes from experience. Its a little hard to gain further driving experience when you’re 6 feet under, wouldn’t you agree?

      As for the rest of your post… I’m sorry, but it makes very little sense.

      If you’re saying that the cure to the “disease” is for more people to die on our roads, that’s just messed up in the extreme.

    • acotrel says:

      11:20am | 24/06/11

      @Matt When did you last have the experience of your car swapping ends on a slippery road?  Motor sport competitors have that experience, and can handle it!  If you want to stay alive become COMPETENT.
        ‘Speed plus incompetence kills’ should be the slogan!

    • Matt says:

      01:34pm | 24/06/11

      @acotrel - That has happened to me once, actually about 6 years ago. I was extremely lucky that it happened in an area where I skidded off the road into a nature strip, and walked away without a scratch to myself, and negligible damage to the car.

      What is your point? I wasn’t speeding, I wasn’t drinking, and I was obeying the road rules when it happened. I simply hit a pocket of water on a very wet night, and lost control. Not everyone has the means or inclination to be a race car driver, and events outside of your control sometimes crop up. But anything to reduce incidences of drink driving and speeding cannot be anything but a good initiative.

      Are you saying we should all be racing car drivers acotrel?

    • Shifter says:

      02:04pm | 24/06/11

      I’m not we should rush our 16-17 year olds into motorsport, however as an alternative DEC courses in WA teach skid recovery skills. I’m sure there are similar things in other states.

      It’s a shame they aren’t mandatory driver training. It’s also something that should be refreshed often as people don’t tend to perfect skills that they don’t practise.

    • Henry says:

      07:29am | 24/06/11

      I was there yesterday, and the one criticism I have about the entire event was a story of a guy who received permanent brain injury while walking home. A tragedy, yes, definitely. But according to the emcee be was walking home after having a few too many so he could ‘impress his friends’. I found that absolutely ridiculous, and the notion that an event so anti-drink driving could turn around and ridicule this guys choice to do the responsible thing really shook me up

    • Pete says:

      12:59pm | 24/06/11

      perhaps it wasnt ridiculing him but more a comment , that even if you decide to walk while inebriated you can become a road statistic.

    • Alicia says:

      09:38pm | 25/06/11

      I agree with Pete, it was probably indicating that regardless of how you decide to get home, that you still need to make sure you’re safe.

    • Pete says:

      07:32am | 24/06/11

      hoons, first strike and you are out, crush the car dump it on their lawn and it can be a wonderful reminder while they pay it off

    • acotrel says:

      10:03am | 24/06/11

      @Pete They should have done that to the car of the 80 year old hoon that ran off a roundabout in Benalla into KFC, and seriously injured two kids.  As for the cops labelling young incompetents as ‘hoons’ or ‘larrikins’ or ‘bodgies’, the need to get off their culture of stigmatising the young!  They’re not that flash themselves ! !

    • marley says:

      11:47am | 24/06/11

      @acotrel - well, if the cops “aren’t that good,”  you’ve just provided evidence that extra driver skills training (which cops get) isn’t the answer to the problem either.

    • Pete says:

      11:52am | 24/06/11

      @ acotrel
      I spent 12 years of my life cleaning up the blood and body bits of road users and you are right there is no age limit to stupidity ,so I call anyone misusing a motor vehicle a hoon and they should be treated equally. i dont recall mmentioning an age bracket in my comment. So dont presume I am . Actually some of the worst behaviour i witnessed came from people who were old enough to be parents

    • S.L says:

      07:35am | 24/06/11

      Admirable effort guys but P platers will always be 10 foot tall and bullet proof. I hope the Youth and Road Trauma Forum bares fruit.

    • Shenanigans says:

      10:01am | 24/06/11

      I resent that generalisation.
      since when have all P platers been like this? Stop picking on us, fully licensed drivers aren’t that much better, infact I see more roadside crashs cause by fully licensed drivers then P platers.

      every demographic has its bad apples, the media just like to target the 17-25 age bracket because it has nothing better to do.

    • St. Michael says:

      11:19am | 24/06/11

      From memory, Shenanigans, it’s the 17-25 age bracket that get killed most frequently in car accidents.  That is probably why anti-road toll campaigns, and consequently the media, like to target that bracket.

    • Shenanigans says:

      11:34am | 24/06/11

      i refuse to call the accidents because there is no such thing as a car accident. anyway, most frequently my arse, i hear about fully licensed drivers killing themselves and or other people more often then i hear about P platers doing it.

      fatal crashs involving 17-25 year olds are more widely reported for under handed shock tactics.

    • S.L says:

      11:40am | 24/06/11

      @Shenanigans I was once a P plater and not a day goes by where I don’t see male P platers speeding and female P platers gasbagging on mobile phones (not hands free ofcourse) while driving. I won’t start on your doof doof sound systems.
      Yes it’s a generalisation but a pretty acurate one….......

    • Shenanigans says:

      12:15pm | 24/06/11

      S.L not every P plater is like that, a few maybe, probably the few who don’t have jobs to fill or anything useful to do other then cause trouble, therefore are more visible.
      what’s wrong with the sound systems? they don’t affect our driving.

    • S.L says:

      12:31pm | 24/06/11

      You’re kidding aren’t you Shenanigans? Loud sound systems distract a drivers concentration and also restricts them hearing what’s around them.
      Yes hearing! A driver doesn’t just use his eyes to be made aware of what’s around him! How do you hear a siren or the horn of another car? A motorbike in your blindspot?
      Boy do I enjoy instant experts like yourself….......

    • Sarah says:

      01:22pm | 24/06/11

      I understand the irritation with people generalizing the 17-25 year old driver age bracket. To be honest I think people forget what it’s like to be young. You have to start somewhere, these people must have been born a perfect driver to hear them talk. But there is no way to gain real experience but to live it. The reason the young are targetted is because they’ll never get to the age where they are an experienced driver, if they aren’t careful now.

    • Shenanigans says:

      01:27pm | 24/06/11

      i love how you assume I’m an expert. I’m not, I’m a P plater, who has a sound system, who drives saftely and has never caused a crash. if its loud enough to block out a siren or horn (which by the way have a decible pitch that cuts through the sound of music) you probably don’t have useable ears anyway.

    • Shifter says:

      02:41pm | 24/06/11

      @St. Michael - ‘From memory, Shenanigans, it’s the 17-25 age bracket that get killed most frequently in car accidents’

      Perhaps it’s because they don’t live long enough to reach another age bracket. If all the idiots kill themselves early it doesn’t make older drivers better it makes them luckier.

    • Alicia says:

      09:42pm | 25/06/11

      Not all P platers are teenagers! My mother got her licence at 40! I got mine at 22. I am by no means a perfect driver but I’m responsible and I never misbehaved in my car as a P plater, or with my open licence.

      Most of the idiots I see on the roads are older, usually in a 4WD!

    • Hailz84 says:

      03:39pm | 27/06/11

      Whilst no longer a P plater I take great offence to this generalisation. I was in 2 accidents while on my P’s one quite serious, neither of which I was the at fault driver but the fully liscenced drivers who were the other cars in the accidents were. It was my experience as a P Plater that fully liscenced drivers seemed to have the opinion that they had the right to tailgate me, cut me off in traffic and overtake me on the wrong side of the road because while I drove the speed limit I refused to speed. It is no only P platers that should take more care of the road, but all drivers.
      Fully liscenced drivers need to stop believe they have more right to the road then those of us learning to drive or those on our P’s, while I in no way condone hooligan P Platers fully liscenced drivers also need to be targetted in these campaigns.

    • Michael says:

      08:04am | 24/06/11

      Something i still don’t understand is, how it is so, that the government can legislate for cars to have safety ratings and emissions ratings etc for approval on Australian roads but nothing is being done to limit the speed achievable in a motor vehicle.

      What is the point of speed cameras? isn’t it counter productive for police and pollies to bang on about road death tolls and speed kills, only for Holden or Ford or any other manufacturer to release yet another blisteringly quick performance vehicle marketed towards young male drivers?

      I am dismissing as cynicism my thoughts that it’s about revenue raising, but the suspicion grows inside my mind. If someone could explain the negatives of limiting vehicles to only being capable of travelling at the maximum legal speed in Australia 130 klmph with the exception being made for police vehicles I would be appreciative.

    • LC says:

      12:53pm | 04/01/12

      - Because that would hurt people who decide to do the right thing and race vehicle on a private track.
      - Because the law abiding majority should not have to pay the price for a few idiots. Do this, and the idiots have won.
      - Because most law-abiding adults in a free country don’t appreciate being treated like children.
      And finally:
      - Because if someone is really determined, a computerized speed control device is bypassable. Don’t say “that’ll be impossible” or “well make that impossible” because I work in IT, and one of the most basic rules in IT is that while things can be “difficult”, “complex”, “challenging” or “time consuming”,  to a someone with enough determination, NOTHING is “impossible”. An engine immobilizer can be worked around if someone has enough determination, and in the past it has happened. A lo-jack can be disabled or jammed. If a dedicated hoon wanted a car to race around in, or a hardened crim wanted a getaway car that could go real fast, they can and will bypass the system.

    • Col. of Blackburn says:

      08:08am | 24/06/11

      I am old enough to remember the ‘Declare War on 1034’ campaign. Now our State road toll is in the region of 230 a year. The question one must ask is when we reach the point of diminishing returns? How much, as a society, are we prepared to pay to lower the road toll to 229?
      It has been reported that 582 rural suicides are attributed to the Government’s draconian Vegetation Laws, because these people cannot provide a future for their wives and children. Why isn’t there a public outrage about this carnage? Is it because such causes aren’t ‘‘kewl’ enough for our inner city elites?

    • TChong says:

      08:41am | 24/06/11

      Maybe the motive behind the tragic figure (582) is open to some debate ?
      Did all of those sad people leave notes / make statements to this effect ?, or is this speculation about motives by those who seek to make political mileage out of somebodies stress and desperation in order to further their own political cause ?

    • L. says:

      09:07am | 24/06/11

      ” Why isn’t there a public outrage about this carnage? Is it because such causes aren’t ‘‘kewl’ enough for our inner city elites? “

      That’s easy Col…

      It’s because you can’t “quantify”, and therefore put a price on and fine sadness and frustration… That is to say, you can’t raise revenue out of it.

      Speeding on the other hand…

    • acotrel says:

      11:28am | 24/06/11

      @Col There is aneasy way to decimate the road toll.  All that needs be done is to teach drivers how to handle a car at high speed, as part of their driving course.  Joining a car club, and entering the club sprints would be a good move for a lot of people.  Then they might get in touch with reality. An advanced licence could be introduced to encourage the young to gain experience and excel.  If they break the law, achieving the advanced licence could be a mandatory requirement for returning to the public highway.

    • Gerard says:

      08:11pm | 24/06/11

      acotrel, I think you may have misjudged the government’s motives when it comes to traffic laws…

    • Tator says:

      08:23pm | 24/06/11

      Alcotrel,
      for once, you and I are in agreeance.  Driving is a skill and is not taught well to beginners.  It is a skill that takes years to become competent at and even then, can bite you on the arse when you are not paying attention.
      Due to a workplace injury, I have spent the last four years driving the roads of SA working at Traffic Operations.  I spend approximately half my time whilst driving on the wrong side of the road conducting overdimensional load escorts ie houses and buckinghuge mining machinery (have a nice photo album that would put Monster Moves to shame and as oversized transportation goes, the Aussie industry does it well)  From my experience on the roads, I find that around 75% of drivers actually have a clue about the road rules and how to drive, 20% can get from point a to point b safely and that is about it and 5% shouldn’t have a licence as they know little about the Australian Road Rules.  I regularly have close encounters of the deadly kind whilst working these escorts, mainly because people are not able to estimate things like closing speeds or just don’t watch the road far enough ahead (many just drive looking just in front of their bonnet) and I have been lucky enough so far not to have had a serious accident whilst conducting an escort and the associate high risk driving down the wrong side of the road into oncoming traffic (worst thing so far was an exploding wing mirror from roadside debris thrown up by a passing 4wd who was on the shoulder and didn’t slow down) 
      I have seen the results of many an accident as well and it isn’t pretty when you have to scrape someones brother/sister/father/mother/child off of the road with a shovel and it is even worse having to tell them that their family member has been killed.  Many people don’t even consider the effect that a fatal prang has on the emergency service personnel who attend them, from the poor traffic copper, the paramedic, the firie or the rescue guys who attend every serious prang.  Some end up with mental health issues like PTSD and there have been instances of roadside ESO personnel getting injured by passing traffic by people rubbernecking as they drive past a prang.
      So I will finish with this final message for everyone, learning to drive is not a right, it is a priviledge given to you by society, please ensure you know the road rules properly and obey them as that will keep you safer than disobeying them, plus learn how to drive properly, most driving courses for learners teach only the basics required to pass the exam and teach nothing about advanced car control ie controlling skids and object evasion techniques.

    • Blah says:

      04:57pm | 25/06/11

      Acotrel - I both agree and disagree with you.

      I did a Drive To Survive course, and my goodness am I glad I did! I learnt a lot and I’m definitely a better driver because of it.

      But the fact is some people learn this stuff, and become more likely to take risks thinking they have the skills to avoid an accident. Which makes them more likely to cause an accident.

      The “bulletproof” mentality of some people can be enforced by this sort of education, so while it might help some it also might endanger others.

    • King Haakon IV of Norway says:

      08:35am | 24/06/11

      I’ve driven all over this country and Ive witnessed some appalling driving but I have to say that the drivers In Canberra and surrounds are some of the worst. Poofer platers and adults alike. I think it must be the fact that the traffic is pissweak and most locals believe that hole to be the centre of the universe. I say Scumberra should be used as a test for a one strike and you can never drive again rule for P-platers and two strikes for fully licenced drivers.

    • MD says:

      09:06am | 24/06/11

      Suicide kills more young people than car crashes, with much less advertising for support campaigns.

      Run a piece of that sometime.

    • Dave says:

      09:43am | 24/06/11

      You must have missed all the Beyond Blue ads on TV that covers this issue!! It is also an issue that all schools address on a regular basis

    • Brian says:

      09:47am | 24/06/11

      A quick check of the suicide and road safety tags shows 3 articles (including this one) on road safety and five on suicide this year… According to one of the articles on suicide, that’s about the correct proportion based on the number of deaths (180 to 100). They do run pieces on it, but it doesn’t mean this kind of piece is unnecessary, or less valuable. Unless you’re saying that we should only ever target the biggest single issue?

    • Robert says:

      09:40am | 24/06/11

      While ever the government is raking in millions in speeding fines and telling gullible people that the crack down on speeding and the use of speed cameras is what is saving lives they will keep pushing the speed kills agenda and using shock tactics instead of tackling the underlying reasons of poor driver attitude and training that are the main problem.

      The reduction in the road toll can be attributed to two things. The first is better designed and safer vehicles. The other is better roads. While this has been happening driver attitudes and skills continue to decline.

      I do hope that this forum does save some lives and I’m sure it may have made some that attended think but it will still not make them better drivers.

      Until the government actually insists on better driving standards for ALL drivers, including mandatory testing of all drivers every five years, nothing will change.

    • Brett says:

      12:50pm | 24/06/11

      Driving a car is the most dangerous thing that the majority of Australians will ever do. And yet, we dont mandate real driver training. Who gives a crap if you can indicate while you change lanes, reverse parallel park and do a hill start? Do you know how to deal with understeer in a front wheel drive? Do you know how to manouver your vehicle while the antilock brakes are pumping? Do you know how control your rear wheel drive car in an oversteer situation? Can you manouever your vehicle in wet and or slippery conditions? Do you actually understand how your tyres and suspension work together to provide you grip?
      All these things are taught in defensive driving courses. In many countries these courses are madatory, but not Australia..we think speed cameras and gruesome road accident advertising can band aid over the real lack of driver training.

    • Robert says:

      04:09pm | 24/06/11

      I hear you Brett. Many young drivers don’t find out the hard way what happens when things go wrong and all we get are knee jerk reactions from to powers that be. Near me a young girls dies when she lost control of her car in the wet. No one will ever know what actually happened but the theory is she panicked and hit the accelerator instead of the break and crossed a median strip into oncoming traffic.

      And what did the Authorities do? Put 3 foot high concrete barriers down the median strip where the accident happened. This was a one off freak event on a perfectly safe road but now we have the barriers that obscure your view coming up to a round-a-bout make this stretch of road very dangerous for anyone in a car with a low driving position

    • LC says:

      08:13pm | 24/06/11

      And the real unfortunate bit Robert, is that it’ll take another fatal P-plate accident for them to take them down.

    • Jade says:

      09:48am | 24/06/11

      I use to be a real dickhead in cars, my boyfriend and I would do burn outs, drink drive (we lived out in the country so there were no cars on the road) and we just young and stupid.

      That all changed for me when my best friend and two people we worked with nearly died after crashing into a tree at a suspected 100km/h.  Inexperience, speed and a dangerous road caused this crash and since then I have been fairy responsible on the road.

      I think it takes something like that to wake people up to the fact that it can happen to anyone and if they had of died it would of been such a waste.

    • jade says:

      10:20am | 24/06/11

      *fairly not fairy

    • PW says:

      05:22pm | 24/06/11

      Some people at the age of 17 are not mature enough to be allowed to control a motor vehicle. You see them out there doing stupid things every day. Jade and her boyfriend were at one time among them, although it seems in her case maturity has now kicked in, as it does. Although some are mature enough, and they would be penalised, I think the age for obtaining a drivers licence needs to be raised to 19 or 20 years.

    • michael j says:

      10:19am | 24/06/11

      EXCELLENT training for doctors ,n, paramedics ,but Turbo-Chargers and Nitrous-Oxide make up for a short attention span,,

    • Shenanigans says:

      10:22am | 24/06/11

      I personally think the problem is the small miniority of idiots that are given a drivers license, one wonders how they even managed to pass all the test required to get their P plates in the first place.

      I have personal experience of a fully licensed driver and his sheer stupidity. I ride a motorbike, or used too till this genius merged lane straight into the side of me. Dislocated shoulder, broken collar bone, shattered wrist and a knee reconstruction later I was left with a rather painful recovery period and a broken heart because my brand new bike was written off, plus the dick head that hit me just kept driving, if not for a P plater who pulled over to help me out i probably would have been on the side of the road for a rather long time.

      If anyone from the government just happens to read this, please, make mandatory driver training for ALL drivers every 4-5 years of them holding a license, and harsher penalties for causing crashes, also maybe general intelligence checks for people getting their P plates.

    • static says:

      12:31pm | 24/06/11

      Dont start me on brain dead car drivers and the whoops didnt see you mate argument. Any one who uses this excuse after hitting anything should have their eyes tested and if it is found their eyesight is ok have their licence suspended because they were just plain negligent

    • ausspud says:

      01:40pm | 24/06/11

      You know theres a problem with the system when you have the whole family get out of a car to help the driver reverse park.
      The whole system is corrupt.

    • neil says:

      01:47pm | 24/06/11

      Someone has to piont out the elephant in the room, 4% of road vehicles are motorcycles yet thay account for 25% of fatalities and 30% of injuries. So the simplest way to reduce the road toll by 25% is to re-classify motorcycles as recreational vehicles like quadbikes and get them of the roads.

      I’m not suggesting to total ban, allow people to go on rides on the weekends but ban them from everyday commuting. We nolonger allow people to carry guns, we’ve banned nail clippers from aeroplanes, motorcycles are just to dangerous to be on public roads mixing with cars.

      Some idiot will now pipe up and claim that bikes are perfectly safe and the fault is with the car drivers. WRONG it’s always the motorcycles fault because they are on a vehicle that does not have crush zones, seat belts and air bags, ABS brakes or stability control and if they had the same collision in a vehicle that did they would probably still be alive.

      Authorities and the community are no taking road safety seriously while they continue to avoid this issue.

    • LC says:

      07:50pm | 24/06/11

      “I’’m not suggesting to total ban, allow people to go on rides on the weekends but ban them from everyday commuting”

      “re-classify motorcycles as recreational vehicles like quadbikes and GET THEM OFF THE ROADS”

      Ok….You realize that getting them classified as recreation vehicles means they are banned from the road full time, right?

      I run a motorcycle for my commute because its A.Cheaper and B.Quicker than my car. Public transport isn’t an option for me if you value your safety and time to unwind after work. Cycling isn’t an option for me because of both the time factor and the fact there is no shower blocks at my place of employment. Are you volunteering to pay my petrol bills?

      Motorcyclists are taught that regardless of what is and is not your fault legally, it’s ALWAYS your fault if you end up in a motorcycle collision, because it’s small and fast, and can easily outmaneuver and if necessary, outrun a car. You MUST notice every little thing from the hoon zooming up the right lane, to the slightest changes in the road surface. All this looking out and noticing minor details has in turn made me a better car driver. But in turn, drivers should keep their eyes peeled for motorcyclists (or at least their ears, theirs a benefit to being able to hear all the engine noise). They disappear easily behind roof pillars and in blind spots, though again, a motorcyclist must avoid being “invisible” at all costs, another thing I was taught.

      I have only fell off my bike three times, twice when I was just learning how to be stable on the motorbike, and once when the engine died when I went around a corner. Apart from some minor bruising, I walked away from each one uninjured. Any real stupidity on a motorcycle would be unlikely to result in anyone’s death but their own, while stupidity in a car can cause another road user to die too.

    • Kika says:

      01:54pm | 24/06/11

      The licence system here in Australia is appalling. Here are my criticisms:-
      1) Anyone can fluke 20 minutes of manouevers and driving generally ok enough not to fill up the examiner’s tick sheet. This doesn’t mean you are a good driver
      2) The 100 hours of so that kids have to do these days means nothing. If they drive with their parents are they picking up their parents bad habits? Probably
      3) There is no defence driving included in the exam. Only offence. LOL. But jokes aside, it is ridiculous expecting kids to be able to reverse in a straight line, yet can’t handle their car when it’s out of control, or when something completely unexpected occurs like a kid on a bike pops up in between cars.

      There needs to be a system where kids go for their licence in modules or something, like a TAFE diploma, and defensive driving is a core component of the examination.

    • Robert says:

      05:05pm | 24/06/11

      And make sure the defensive driver training course and license testing includes basic car maintenance. If you can’t check the oil and water and have no idea what pressure should be in your tyres and how to check and adjust it you should not have a license. No point being a “safe” driver if you are driving an unsafe car

    • Brian says:

      07:02pm | 24/06/11

      In WA there are two stages of ‘L’ plates, then 2 of ‘P’ plates (I don’t know other states). Personally I think there should be a sort of progression:

      1) to get your first-stage L’s you pass a theory test (it’s unreasonable to expect them to have any driving skill at this point), as is currently the case.

      2) to get your second stage L’s you have to have had the first stage L’s for 6 months and pass a driving instruction test.

      3) to graduate from second stage L’s to First stage P’s you need to have a number of driving hours (number open to debate) and have held the second stage L’s for 6 months. You are now allowed to drive unsupervised, but with lower Demerit limits and alcohol limits (say 3 demerits and no alcohol reading).

      4) to go from first stage P’s to second stage P’s you have to have had your P plates for at least 12 months AND completed an accredited defensive driving course. In return you get a few more demerits available and a relaxation on the alcohol limit (say six demerits and 0.02).

      5) Finally, to graduate to your full licence you need to have had stage 2 P’s for 12 months and be the holder of a CURRENT senior first aid certificate (or an exemption as to why you cannot attain it, such as a disability).

      Then, add the requirement to have a current first aid certificate to any licence renewal, and 5 or 10 yearly driving tests. The result will take the same amount of time as the current system for those who make the effort to get the qualifications, and greatly increase driver skill. Additional costs would probably be in the realm of two to three hundred dollars, which could be subsidised to some extent.

      As an added bonus it will also greatly increase the chances of anyone who IS in an accident (on or off the road) having a good outcome, as given the prevalence of driving the first person to come across a bushwalker, heart attack victim, child face down in a pool or vehicle crash is quite likely to then be trained in basic first aid. For those who argue that the first aid certificate is too hard to get (and I’ve met some…) consider that in Perth there are courses EVERY day of the week (and most evenings), and that it can be a single day thing if you do the theory online. If you’re either not capable of organising attendance to a course for one day every five years or not intelligent enough to pass the very basic nature of the courses, I’m not sure you should be at the controls of a vehicle…

    • atthepub says:

      02:45pm | 24/06/11

      If you want to live; grow up fast Shenani cause you’re wrong, dead wrong about the 17-25 year olds.

      Only around 10% of road users are young drivers

      See link for Age of Liable Person in a Crash

      http://www.icwa.wa.gov.au/mvpi/crash/statsliabage.pdf

    • Success Story says:

      03:27pm | 24/06/11

      For the record the people of QLD are the *best* drivers in AU I believe.

    • Brook Levenge says:

      03:36pm | 24/06/11

      ^^ Completely agree. The “smart state” indeed.

    • stephen says:

      07:09pm | 24/06/11

      This video seems like a Summer Heights High set piece for ‘the kids and Mr. G.’
      Yeah sure they had tears, (but so do the youth at Gallipoli draped in our flag)and nothing will change until a greater change takes place.
      We are mostly very careless, (‘she’ll be right mate’) which was OK for our ancestors when referring to the vagaries of the weather, but it’s now the 21st Century. Care does not make us sissys.
      And dads, neighbours and best mates should not be allowed to teach the young to drive.

    • Gerard says:

      08:34pm | 24/06/11

      Yawn…yet another program with self-appointed guardian angels talking down to kids. These things haven’t changed a bit since I was at school. As long as the roads are ruled with an iron fist by the RTA (the Revenue and Taxation Authority), no one will respect any ‘experts’, even the ones with genuine credentials.

    • Harquebus says:

      10:30am | 27/06/11

      It didn’t cut with me because, I am not stupid enough to install that Flash crap.

      Censorship sucks. ThePunch moderators suck almost as hard as the ABC moderators.

 

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