REMEMBER this name - or if you’re drunk, get a friend to write it on the back of a beer coaster and stick it to your forehead for future reference. It’s going to be important later on.

Salma Hayek's Campari campaign - enjoy these ads while they last.

Not next week. Not in a month’s time. But in a few years, when shouts are banned, shots are illegal, when you are limited, by law, to a maximum of four purchases of spirits, liqueurs and/or fortified beverages within a 24-hour period at any licensed establishment.

When it’s illegal to drink in the presence of minors. Illegal to drink at any sporting event. Illegal to drink at a picnic.

When your bottle of Penfolds has 90 per cent of its label covered with a photograph of a spotty liver, half a brain, a corpse in a car, a person with a glass sticking out of their head and the dramatic warning over the top reading DRINKING CAUSES CIRRHOSIS/BRAIN DAMAGE/CAR ACCIDENTS/RANDOM VIOLENCE and underneath, in 10-point helvetica, the evocative words “Koonunga Hill - product of the Barossa Valley, may contain sulphites, egg white, preservative 220 added. Enjoy in moderation.

Oh yeah, the name.

Professor Sir Liam Donaldson, chief medical officer of the United Kingdom.

The chief medical officer’s annual report, released in London this April, advocates minimum unit pricing for all alcoholic drinks, setting the price at 50p per standard drink. For arguments sake, lets convert 50p to $1.50 in real money that has echidnas on it and say that a 4-litre cask of Coolabah moselle contains 40 standard drinks. Under Sir Liam’s plan, a cask of Coolabah would no longer cost $15. It would cost $60.

It’s enough to make you choke on your Jatz and cabanossi.

The first issue with Sir Liam’s plan is that it suggests a snobbish assumption that poorer people have a monopoly on problem drinking, when there’s plenty of middle-class soaks who pretend they’re drinking bottled wine for the taste.

It also presumes poorer people will stop drinking because it costs more, when there’s evidence they’ve been the most resistant to artificial increases in cigarette pricing and have cut back on decadent items like bread or school books instead.

The most befuddling aspect of Sir Liam’s argument, from a scientific point of view, is he speaks of smoking and drinking as if they are interchangeable, both in terms of health effects on the individual and damage to a community.

The second part of his argument is harder to refute. The first is ridiculous and can be easily dismissed.

In 2009, only the most rabid libertarian would argue that the jury is still out on smoking. The science is in. In all but a minority of cases, you will die sooner than you otherwise should if you don’t get off the darts.

But the science is all over the place when it comes to drink.

Some studies say a little bit is good. Some say a little bit is lethal. Others say moderate daily drinkers face greater risks than bingers, while others argue a daily tipple is much safer than stockpiling your four-for-men-and-two-for-women quota for that barbecue, where you ended up riding a pool pony in the nude, singing Bruce Springsteen’s Born To Run.

One of the sneaky things that anti-grog scientists fail to disclose is that, in their examination of the effect of drink, they consider what are known as co-morbidities - that is, when people die from a couple of things. Because problem drinkers also do other dangerous things - smoking, driving, committing suicide - the figures get lumped together and drink gets the blame.

Drink may deserve much of the blame but when the figures are presented out of context the picture is misleading.

None of this washes with Sir Liam. He insists that, when it comes to the individual, drinking is pretty much all downside in health terms.

In terms of its impact on the community, he’s coined a cringeworthy term - passive drinking. He doesn’t mean it like sidestream smoking, where you walk past a crowded bar, take a deep breath and, next thing you know, you’re playing for Manly. He means it in terms of the broader impact drinkers have on unborn babies, victims of assault and drink-driving, absenteeism, cost to the health system.

The term might be cringeworthy but the argument he makes is more compelling than his every-drink-is-doing-you-damage nonsense. The best argument against it is based on fairness.

If we are not careful the slightly tipsy majority who’ve fired up the Singstar and are cacking themselves laughing with friends will end up paying for that small percentage who are glassing each other or driving home with one eye shut.

At the risk of sounding like Charlton Heston, it’s not the alcohol that does the damage but the person who’s drinking it.

That’s not to advocate the status quo. For the good of everybody, more should be done to crack down on people who can’t drink properly.

For starters, a zero blood alcohol limit for drivers would not only make sense, it would make life easier for people who drink a little bit.

Events in Canberra earlier this year did nothing to instill optimism on the part of sensible bingers. Given his family values platform, Senator Stephen Fielding presumably wasn’t plastered when he voted against the alcopops tax - a pity, as it could have excused his odd behaviour. Fielding also wanted alcohol companies banned from sponsoring sport - uncompetitive, nanny-state censorship which would have damaged every code in the land.

Because the Government said no, he blocked the alcopops tax in its entirety, despite the fact that it’s had the welcome result of reducing binge-drinking by kids. Meanwhile, Health Minister Nicola Roxon is considering new drinking guidelines which say you should never, ever have more than four standard drinks in one day.

Now we have new calls from Stephen Fielding for a ban on alcohol advertising of sport. Others in the health lobby want a ban on all alcohol advertising, in keeping with Sir Liam’s theories about the evil that is “passive” drinking.

Back in the UK, while the British Government and Opposition have both rejected Sir Liam’s unit pricing plan, it is under serious consideration in Scotland.

That’s right, the Scots, looking at a way to drink less and pay more. It’s enough to turn you to drink.

- This is an updated version of a column written for The Daily Telegraph in April before The Punch had been launched.

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    • Toddzilla says:

      03:00pm | 27/08/09

      On the bright side, at $1.50 per standard drink, a schooey of beer will now only cost $2. Winner! Bring it on!

    • Jake the Muss says:

      03:04pm | 27/08/09

      “In 2009, only the most rabid libertarian would argue that the jury is still out on smoking. The science is in. In all but a minority of cases, you will die sooner than you otherwise should if you don’t get off the darts.”

      I think the most rabid libertarian would not bother arguing the science (which is quite irrefutable) and would simply say that individuals own their own bodies and this principle gives forth the right of self determination.  That they are free to do as they wish as long as they do not initiate force against another.

      Public Health is the new vehicle for tyranny in the west.  Public health has gone from research and guidelines, advice and treatment development for population based diseases, to an active lobby for further power for the state to control individual behaviour.

      Particularly in countries with taxpayer funded health care, the ‘these drunkards are costing you money’ argument is particularly effective.  The issue is not framed as the government picking your pocket through taxation, but the drunkard picking your pocket through getting health care payed through taxation….that the government got….by picking your pocket…

      In dribs and drabs, the forces advance.  Smokers clearly defeated and demonised, the new battlelines are drawn against fast food, chocolate bars, and alcohol.

      As Ronald Reagan said, the most frightening sentence in the english language is ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help’.  I suppose a local example would be ‘My name’s Kevin, I’m from Queensland, and I’m here to help”.

      Not that the Liberal Party is any better of course.  Either they wholeheartedly go along with it, or are too scared to even fight for what they believe in.

      “Because the Government said no, he blocked the alcopops tax in its entirety, despite the fact that it’s had the welcome result of reducing binge-drinking by kids.”

      I’d be interested to see this research.  Is it based on the sales figures of the last year?  I remember Nicola Roxon using a decrease in alcopops sales and a decrease in total alcohol sales as evidence at the time.

      This was of course during a rather pessimistic period for the consumer of course.

      http://www.pimpinforfreedom.wordpress.com

    • Jack says:

      03:15pm | 27/08/09

      Wow. I dont know how it happened, but right now… David Penberthy is awesome.

      Great piece.

    • Chris says:

      03:55pm | 27/08/09

      What piece? I can’t concentrate on anything other than that picture of Salma Hayek.

      Margaret Thatcher naked on a cold day, Maraget Thatcher naked on a cold day…

    • Adam says:

      04:01pm | 27/08/09

      I just want to thank you for publishing that picture of Salma Hayek.  There really is a god…

    • James McIlwain says:

      04:05pm | 27/08/09

      The Safety Nazis are burning the Reichstag - well not really burning it - that would contravene all manner of OHS rules and would release carbon into the atmosphere. Here is a simple message for Government… GET OFF OUR BACKS - ITS NONE OF YOUR GOD DAMNED BUSINESS. I didnt vote for a Federal helicopter parent telling me what I can and cannot do. I know whats good for ME as well as I know what is bad for ME. It is MY life, liver, lungs. Now get back to work and do something productive.

    • James McIlwain says:

      04:06pm | 27/08/09

      Chris - now I need a drink

    • Julie Coker-Godson says:

      04:11pm | 27/08/09

      I said it at the time and I’ll say it again, now that once the wowsers have defeated the smokers, they’ll run out of things to winge about and they’ll start on something else.  We now have the School Lunchbox Police, The School Canteen Police, The Fresh and Healthy Food Police (getting a head of steam up here with food vouchers! Watch out!), the Exercise or Die/be labelled a Sloth Police.  Tell me, how do you exercise while reading a book? Oh!....we are not supposed to undertake sedentary activities…please forgive me…I must go and puff myself out until I’m puce in the face….good girl! Away you go!
      I’m sick to death of all these obsessed people trying to dictate to others how to live their lives by using the oldest trick in the book - the guilt complex.  Those who don’t kowtow are a drain on the health system that the healthy do gooders have to pay for.  I resent that line of argument as I believe it is palpably false!  No two researchers can come up with the same results in a report on these issues whether the report comes from USA, the UK, Australia, Canada or anywhere else for that matter.  So my advice to these people is to GIVE IT A BLOODY REST!!!!  PS:  Never disturb a sleeping dog is a very good saying and quite appropriate I think.

    • seth says:

      04:17pm | 27/08/09

      Why not make safe drugs like MDMA legal and give govs another income stream. Pure MDMA has no recorded deaths, it is bad cuts from street presses which kill.

    • Timbo says:

      04:19pm | 27/08/09

      Zero Blood Alcohol is completely inoperable outside any major city in Australia. If you want to drive to the pub in the country to have a quiet drink with a mate after work on a Friday you’re consigned by someone such as yourself, Penbo, to being in the same class as the drunk-driver who only goes to the pub on a Friday to get trashed.
      Zero Blood Alcohol requirements tar all drinkers with the same heavy-drinking brush.
      Hence, your argument is self-defeating in this regard.

    • M says:

      04:26pm | 27/08/09

      Selma Hayek rocks. Now, about the drinking. Drinking became a ‘public health problem’ the moment some nasty little douchebags who committed crimes of violence started whining in court: Oh but I didn’t mean to, I was drunk. And lord love the lawyers, they all took notes! And started saying that but for the demon drink, this nasty piece of trash wouldn’t have busted a cop’s chops, beaten his missus and kids, peed on a homeless man, set a memorial on fire. Drink took all the blame! It became the problem. And attention was diverted from the true problem, which is the nasty piece of criminal trash, who is the same as you or me, except for the time when, while we were out doing law-abiding activities, decided to break the law. It is that person’s fault, actually, whatever the civil libertarians and criminal-apologists would like to say.  Suddenly, alcohol is controlling us all! We are nothing but flotsam in a sea of booze, carried hither and thither at the whim of the pissy waves. No-one is responsible for any crimes they commit now - it’s all bundled together as ‘alcohol-related violence’ and thrown to public health economists who propose protecting the unwashed herd from their own weak wills.  It’s not fascism if it’s for the good of the people. Is it?

      Alcohol is not an inhibitor - it actually lowers your inhibitions. So when you’re drunk and you beat your girlfriend or slap your kids around or pee in the street and all over your stillettos, you’re not acting out of character, as is argued so enthusiastically in court. No, what you’re doing is being honest and exposing your true bogan standardless trash nature for the rest of us to see. And I think people should be allowed to see where the trash is. If you can’t control yourself, I want to know who you are. I want to see you puking your guts up and throwing your glass at someone. I want you exposed. You are trashed. And the non-trash, well, we have a right to enjoy a glass of wine with dinner. And to know who and where the trash is.

    • happy teetotaller says:

      04:35pm | 27/08/09

      Why do people need to drink alcohol, smoke cigarettes and take drugs anyway? I think theyre all weak. Call me a wowser I dont mind- why do you need to have things that are bad for you to get through the day? Grow up.

    • Iian says:

      04:42pm | 27/08/09

      Just bring back the age of 21 before you can drink and close at 6pm on sundays, GET RID OF THE LATE LICENSE also have older barstaff not the young kids WHO ARE BEHIND THE BARS TODAY asking for I,D and knowing how to talk to older customers who call in for dring on their way home and thinking they know how to pull a pint Ale when they DON’T and EX-SECURITY GUARDS SHOULD NOT BE EMPLOYED IN PUBS AS BAR STAFF they don’t have a sence of humor and never will have,

    • nuuky says:

      04:46pm | 27/08/09

      Geez I wonder why young people binge drink today ...  Actually no I don’t ...

      Put simply they face too many pressures while us oldies sit back with our material wealth they face the most uncertain future in generations ...

      Just one example of many is when the Fed turned the banking industry over to private enterprise ..  Whereas once upon a time not all that long ago , we had fixed interest rates for the entire length of a home loan , whereas now interest rates are up and down at anytime bring uncertainty and stress to people paying off loans ..  Small wonder is it not so many reach for alcohol ?

      But just sticking to this one topic we now see taking place families not choosing to have children , or to have less children, than in the past ...

      Why ?  Because how can a couple plan a family with private enterprise in the banking sector bringing only uncertain interest rates ... A family simply cannot plan for a long term future anymore ....

      Add to this is the numbers of full time jobs that come and go and go and come ... What does this do ?  It makes it impossible to plan for a family and long term future of the children within that family with any real certainty ..

      Hence people have less or no children ... They are in a sense forced to choose to do this as it makes no sense to plan for something so uncertain ..

      One result is unhappy women binge drinking due to depression and stress from not having children ..  And who in their right mind could blame them ?

      Unless the right kind of environment is allowed to exist , like it did not so many years ago , then this disgusting trend will continue ...

      And that is really only the tip of the iceberg of problems, which can mostly be traced back to the Fed Govts. relinquishing control over key elements of our society ,

      The myth for too long now has been that Private Enterprise can do most things better than Govt >.

      The question is really that people have to feel valued and they have to feel valued by THEIR Governments ....  Not a Private Enterprise Company that has making money as its over riding aim ..

      Of course we saw in recent years the results of couples not having as many children ...  We saw a shortage in labour and a need to allow into Australia people from all different Nationalities ..

      With so many people from different Nationalities in the Country , sadly racial tensions have flared up and are still simmering away beneath the surface ..

      Bottom line is Governments need to be there for the people once again ...

      Maybe then people wont turn so much to alcohol in frustration at the lack of certainty in their lives ..

    • Jack says:

      04:51pm | 27/08/09

      Because it is fun, loser. People dont NEED alcohol for a good time, or to get them through the day. They enjoy them.

      Oh, and btw - wowser. Mind your own business.

    • Jason says:

      04:54pm | 27/08/09

      I’ve said it before and others have said it here as well.  Once smoking was effectively defeated, alcohol would become the next target.  The moral crusaders have to have a worthy target for their attacks on our personal freedoms.

      It makes you wonder what they’ll start on if they get their way with alcohol (and the internet).  Coffee maybe?

    • Jack says:

      05:07pm | 27/08/09

      nuuky, people drink because it is fun. not because they are stressed about australia’s monetary system and banking regulation.

      also, you can still get fixed term rates if managing a floating rate loan is SO STRESSFUL that you have to get drunk and not have a family because of it. Because, god knows, having a family and owning property should be the goal of every 19yo going down the pub to meet his/her mates.

      jesus. are you serious?

    • Billy Pilgrim says:

      05:11pm | 27/08/09

      @seth actually it’s usually the effects of dehydration/hyperthermia or water intoxication that cause death after MDMA ingestion (don’t drink too much water, kids). But it’s still far less harmful than a hell of a lot of legal drugs out there.

    • Katie says:

      05:21pm | 27/08/09

      I have for many years wondered why so much effort and dollars has been spent on trying to get people to quit smoking, when all the while there has being a steady loosening on alcohol trading regulations over the years.  It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to work out how much more damaging an alcohol addicition is when compared to a smoking addiction.  Why is drinking so socially acceptable when smoking is not?  People should pause for a minute and consider the effects of alcoholism and binge drinking on individuals, familys and society.  David Penberthy evidently doesn’t understand alcohol addiction, how easy it is to become an addict, and how that addiction can never be cured.  People I don’t agree with laws unnessarily regulating peoples behaviour,  but I ask that you to promote healthy drinking habits amongst your friends.

    • David says:

      05:35pm | 27/08/09

      The analogy I have always used with my kids is this: People celebrate by drinking, and they drown their sorrows by drinking. Replace/insert drugs in place of drinking and it’s the same. Jack is correct, people drink because it’s fun. The alcohol, albeit temporarily, washes away the pain of life. However, the next morning that pain returns, with a vengeance.  I stopped drinking a few years ago, never looked back. The sad part is that we have to learn by our own mistakes, no matter how many our parents made.

    • Jeff from Meroo says:

      05:49pm | 27/08/09

      It is people like happy teetotaller that have ruined Australia.  Dead set ruined it.  Not a clue in the world or a brain in their heads, they never got it and never will.  WAKE UP HONEY!!!  I don’t NEED to do anything…  but if I WANT to do something I certainly don’t want someone like you telling me I can’t.

      Ruined Australia.  How you people sleep with yourselves is completely beyond me.

    • Cazzy says:

      06:07pm | 27/08/09

      This alcohol debate is just bullshit.  People worldwide have been abusing alcohol since the year dot.  In the early 1960’s my young mother and her mother, 20 years beforehand, ensured that they traveled home from work in groups in order to avoid the dangers of being out following the six o’clock swill.  This daily binge drinking became a phenomena following the Woman’s Temperance Union lobbying (and succeeding in most States) to have pubs shut at 6pm., post WW1.

      This is not a new thing.  Punish the idiots who break the law, not drinkers.

      @ happy teetotaller
      You’re a bloody saint.  I don’t like dangerous sports, ice cream, cakes and greasy food.  You grow up - we are all different.

    • Suppiluliuma II says:

      06:48pm | 27/08/09

      Beer was first brewed over 10,000 years ago during the neolithic period and has been a part of western culture ever since it first started some 5,000 years ago.  Only the most concieted of fools can hope to stop alcohol consumption, and only barabrous nations like Iran and Saudi Arabia manage to stop its consumption via bloodthirsty and draconian punishments.

      The likes of Sir Ian Donaldson will be swept aside by the wieght of history and culture.

    • KeITHy says:

      07:20pm | 27/08/09

      The spirit of Anarchy is embodies by the mantra: “Boycott Boycott Boycott!!!” Who is controlling YOU?

    • Cassandra says:

      07:59pm | 27/08/09

      There is an easy answer to this problem and it comes in stages.                  1. All politicians must grow a set of balls.                      2. Have a parliamentary debate that positively identifies ALL substances, booze, cigarettes. drugs, clinical obesity, etc. which lead to the problems being whined about.              3. Proscribe them in law and introduce the following laws. People may continue to use these things as a matter of choice, how ever said use will automatically have them taken from the list for public medical treatment.                              4. Abusers of any of these things MAY NOT use their consumption as mitigating circumstances for diminished responsibility.                          This is a ‘biting the bullet’ remedy for a problem that the existing politicians are too gutless to address. I see the pollies as trying to please every body and thus pleasing nobody. To Senator Fielding, the KruddNco and his nanny state is a gutless hogwash that seeks to pass the blame and nothing more, the purpose of an elected government is to GOVERN, not pass the buck, and I suggest that all parties begin the process.

    • Haydn in Bangkok says:

      08:37pm | 27/08/09

      Actually I would dispute the statement that “drinking is fun”. It is the socialising that is fun. Drink is only an adjunct. People could have fun drinking water together. The problem arises when people drink too much. Instead of passing more laws why not enforce the ones we have. It is illegal to serve alcohol to someone who is drunk. Is that enforced ? Hell no. No profit in cutting people off. Just apply that one law properly and fully and all these airy-fairy rules, regulations and laws will be unnecessary.

    • Catherine says:

      08:39pm | 27/08/09

      I don’t know of any study that says binge drinking is better for you than drinking a small amount daily. When you consume large amounts of alcohol in one go, your body finds it much harder to process it and the poisons start accumulating doing things like harming your brain and internal organs. You do this repeatedly, you start creating real problems for youself. David, can you post a link to research that suggests otherwise?

      After seeing people who have serious brain degeration, I find it incredible that people (teens in particular whose brains are still developing) willfully damage their brains with binge drinking (and no it doesn’t just kill the poor performing ones).

      I don’t think alcohol should be banned or priced out of any normal person’s budget but all because it’s so intertwined in human history and culture doesn’t mean it’s good.

    • Cazzy says:

      08:59pm | 27/08/09

      @Catherine
      Pricing alcohol out of the working class price range is not going to solve the problem.  Wealthy people drink to excess as well, less wealthy people will just start buying illegally distilled and dubious spirits that are not regulated.  Back to the prohibition era that existed in the USA.  This will create another dangerous crime wave that exists within the drug trade.

      You can’t legislate against alcohol abuse.

    • Bigpeteoz says:

      09:29pm | 27/08/09

      Sir Liam must be a recovering alcoholic, and still going through through the steps to not realise that all people have a problem with substances.

      Governments and politicians and health care workers need to GET OUT of peoples lives.

      Step aside Sir Liam, become a counselor if you want to pontificate and dictate.

    • markpk says:

      09:37pm | 27/08/09

      I have two issues with this story.

      Firstly, the idea of an avowed evangelical christian (aka the christian version of a fundamentalist muslim) continuing to take over public debate is more worrying than the threat of terrorism. In fact, under Fielding’s ideal world and the world put forward by his peers from Hillsong - there will be no public debate. Only compliance with the laws and ideals as set down by their esteemed council - isn’t this something we oppose from other corners of the world? Like Iran? Yet we’re prepared to allow it to start to creep into our day to day life here in Australia?

      Secondly, if Mr Fielding was a Leader why would he bring this “alleged” personal issue into the national spotlight? Is this how evangelical christians ‘lead’?

      Are there any extenuating circumstances to this incident (other than the fact the staffer has to spend the best part of half their waking hours in his company)?

    • D says:

      10:09pm | 27/08/09

      Drinking’s brilliant Go to the pub, have a drink and a laugh with your mates. The problem is not the drink. It’s the number of people who become remarkably obnoxious after a few. You can’t walk down the street in a nightlife area without some dickhead who thinks he’s amusing coming and bothering you. Or deciding he needs to fight everyone around him. So there you have it - keep the booze but imprison everyone who behaves in an anti-social way.

    • Ken says:

      11:08pm | 27/08/09

      Ha ha, what a gem of a story from Crikey, 22 March 2003:

      The drunkest journalist at the budget must surely go to The Daily Telegraph’s state political reporter David Penberthy. Dave is a nice fellow and quite a party animal so it comes as no surprise to hear that he had one
      hour’s sleep when the alarm went off to make the four-hour bus trip home from Canberra on Wednesday morning. Dave spotted what he thought was a glass of coke next to his bed and went for the big scull only to discover it was red wine. It was a projectile apparently.

      Nice one!  Steve Fielding would not be amused… !!

    • davido says:

      01:31am | 28/08/09

      Look out for the NEW TALIBAN at your next election. Ban this, ban that. You cant do this, you cant do that. You must believe what we believe.

    • Stevo in HK says:

      10:41am | 28/08/09

      Thank you for Salma,.. now what was the article saying i was too busy getting hammered and looking at her..

    • Short memory says:

      01:16pm | 28/08/09

      I am sure that a lot of the politicians and boffins must have drunk too much in their youth.
      They certainly seem to be suffering from some sort of memory problem.
      Does any one remember what prohibition or setting exorbitant prices for something that can be produced with reasonable ease does?
      Does speakeasies, bootleg etc. ring a bell?
      Prohibition of alcohol (or it’s prohibitive cost) will only lead to poor quality, perhaps dangerous supplies from the organised crime who will peddle a cheaper version of the stuff (does this sound familiar).
      The Feiliding’s and the like have a ideological hate for alcohol, as they do porn, sex, dancing and anything else that can be fun in moderation. They are not concerned with the causes nor are they concerned with the cure.
      They want to stop the act - whether drinking, sex etc. They wrap this in a concern for ‘their children’ - this of course maybe be what they believe but it wont protect their children. Their children (and we’ve all been one) will be lured to whatever seems forbidden or taboo. If they’re lucky and the children are properly educated they’ll have ago and move onto something else but this is primarily luck, in my opinion.
      So go for it. Ban it all. You’ll just create a market for the crooks and your kids will be learning to drink on bootleg liquor, just like they are playing Russian Roulette by buying their Eckies from that shady bloke at the Pub.
      I’d rather have my kids at least getting a metered dose for both if it were my choice.

    • Chris says:

      03:46pm | 28/08/09

      When (the British) Govt legislated against yet another social drug and against the act of dancing to repetitive beats, I honestly believed that in a decade or two these geriatrics would be despatched to the home for the decrepit and we’d all be able to get on with making our own decisions.
      Sadly, two decades later, the unwillingness to enter reasoned debate remains front and centre with no likelihood of imminent change.
      How depressing it is to realise that it’ll shortly be my own generation I’m weeping for…

    • Home brewer says:

      03:56pm | 28/08/09

      You can’t stop yeast

    • Shinsengumi says:

      04:03pm | 28/08/09

      M Of 04:26pm, 27/08/09:  Beautiful!  Beautiful work!  *standing ovation* 

      Such truer truth ne’er were spoken!  I too, want to see who and where the Trash abides.  I want trash, to be trash around other trash, hopefully they’ll all trash each other.  Far too long in our society have we been tolerant of the meatsacks of scum masquerading as humans; these people honestly ‘fink’ ‘vey’ are entitled to the same rights as those of us who genuinely do respect others, and actually are human beings?  If only it were feasible for the trash to be left to their own devices; to bash, pee, vomit and crap all over themselves whilst listening to Kyle & Jackie O.  Alas, Trash have licenses and access to public transport, and they travel.

    • Donyell says:

      03:58pm | 15/10/11

      AFAIC that’s the best ansewr so far!

 

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choice ringside rantings

From: They must pay for one’s bitter disappointments

Michael S says:

"A teacher at Geelong Grammar had criticised her for using words that were too long, which had left her confused and had made her doubt her ability to write essays. She became ''quite distressed'' when her English marks began to fall." I can sympathise. My scholastic mentors conveyed to me a causal relationship… [read more]

From: Welfare for breeders is a bonus for everyone

Change Up! says:

I have no problem paying my taxes. As a single, childless person on a very decent income, I can afford it and not have my life severely altered. Plus I understand that my taxes paying for things like schools, childcare and infrastructure is ultimately a good thing. A better community is better for me… [read more]

Gentle jabs to the ribs

They must pay for one’s bitter disappointments

They must pay for one’s bitter disappointments

A private school girl’s family is sueing her elite, extremely expensive private school for not… Read more

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