Climate change is real. Yes that’s right, contrary to the misreporting in the media,  I do believe in climate change.

Steve Fielding wants answers on the causes of climate change. Picture: Ray Strange

That might come as a shock to some of those on the left side of politics, but it’s the truth.

The question that concerns me, however,  is what is driving it? Is it increasing levels of human made carbon dioxide emissions, variations in solar radiation or something else?

Around three months ago one of my advisors pulled me aside and asked me what I thought was driving climate change. I smiled and said automatically that it was obviously a result of increasing carbon dioxide emissions.

I had never really looked at the science and just assumed what was reported in the media to be true. Well wasn’t I in for an enormous shock.

My advisor presented me with data and some comments from a number of scientists which suddenly had me asking many questions. This led me to do some further reading and I ultimately decided to head over to Washington on a self funded trip so I could find out more about the science behind climate change.

In the US I met with numerous scientists on both sides of the debate. Some media outlets would have you believe that I met only with climate skeptics who they accuse of being paid off by the fossil fuel industry. These claims are wholly inaccurate.

Moreover,  I strongly believe in giving everyone a fair hearing even if it isn’t the most popular view. I believe it’s my role as a a politician, to wade through all of the spin and come up with my own conclusions after hearing all of the facts.

Some of the data led me to question whether the Rudd government had got the science right. I then took some of the information and questions I had to the White House where I met with one of President Obama’s senior climate change advisors. While these discussions were fruitful, I was left at the end with even more questions than when I had started.

In an effort to try to get to the bottom of the issue I started to talk to a number of scientists based in Australia to get a feel for what their views were on the subject. Amongst the many presentations, one item really stood out. I was presented with a graph based on data that IPCC use which showed carbon dioxide emissions sky rocketing over the last 15 years while global temperatures had remained steady.

The chart Senator Fielding says sparked his doubts about climate change

This graph left me nothing short of flabbergasted. Up until this point I had truly believed that human made carbon dioxide emissions were responsible for climate change.

However, this graph basically said otherwise. I was left asking myself how I could vote for a carbon pollution reduction scheme if it appeared as though carbon dioxide emissions were not driving climate change. It is important to point out that the IPCC had predicted in their models that there would be a direct correlation between increasing carbon dioxide emissions and increasing global temperatures. However,  if you look at the graph it is obvious to everyone that this correlation simply does not exist.

Armed with this information I sat down with Minister Wong, the Chief Scientist and Professor Will Steffen of the ANU to hear their explanation. After an hour and a half I left none the wiser.

I received a written response to my questions from the Minister a few days later which had me even more uncertain. According to the Minister, air temperature, a measurement relied upon by the IPCC and the Rudd Government to justify its emissions trading scheme was irrelevant.

Instead, I was told that I should really be concerned with the variability in ocean temperatures. Not only did this contradict all of the information which the Minister had provided me with only a few days earlier but I was also aware of an IPCC report which stated that the measuring of ocean temperatures was not reliable.

I went back to the government with this question but was met with a wall of silence. They had clearly decided it was safer not to engage with me because I had legitimate questions which they probably were unable to answer.

I was left feeling that the only responsible thing to do was to vote against this legislation. At the end of the day, it would be a betrayal of my duty to the Australian people to put at risk the national economy and many thousands of jobs on what is clearly inconclusive science.

But then enter Al Gore. Here was a man who had a lot of power and went around the world preaching about climate change. I thought he might have the answer for me, the ones I couldn’t extract from the Rudd government.

I briefly met Mr Gore at a breakfast in Melbourne attended by more than a thousand people. He was aware of the important role Family First plays in the senate and was keen to catch up.

After a series of phone calls I was met with a stonewall of resistance. I offered to meet Mr Gore at any place at any time but had no luck. Here we had the former Vice President of the United States, a self proclaimed climate change preacher running away from me over a few simple questions. I could hardly believe it.

I would have thought if Al Gore was really committed to the cause he would want to meet with all senators who had concerns about the science if it would help ensure that the CPRS legislation would pass. Obviously I was wrong.

I have written to every senator urging them to look at the graph and ask themselves the key question -  what is driving climate change? If they can’t answer that simple question they shouldn’t be voting for a CPRS. This decision is the biggest economic decision in this country’s history, one which is too important to vote along party lines.

I call on the government to answer my question with a straight answer. If they’re not prepared to do so,  I’m happy to fight the lone battle in the senate until those senators who are honest with themselves break party lines.

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    • David says:

      08:30am | 16/07/09

      Global warming ???? I am a global warming skeptic with a medical background , consequently I am wary of ‘’ bullshit baffles brains ‘’.
      The whole thing to me appears to be another tax grab , a wolf in sheep’s clothing .
      To get some humour into the issue , Google up ‘’ Mr Pipik global warming ‘’ made by Brisbane bases bigfish.tv . Worth the look !!

    • D. West says:

      08:39am | 16/07/09

      Another ‘tax’ called carbon tax? Sigh!Senator, get out into the suburbs and open your eyes. Families already have to pay the food, petrol, banking cartels etc an extra $50-100 (plus) a week, because the Senate protects anti-competition & corporate daylight robbery. Will you fight these companies taxing families or do these companies fill your parties coffers?

    • Craig Hendry says:

      08:39am | 16/07/09

      Good Job Steve.  It is good to see a politician actually doing the work to form their OWN opinion.

    • Timothy says:

      08:50am | 16/07/09

      Give up Steve. Are you really going to attempt reason and logic on the public and your fellow senators? Think of your career first Steve. And as for trying to convince Al Gore, well good luck with that one. Steve its not about climate change OK. Its about out-of-control governments finally getting their hands on industrial energy, the fundamental thing that makes us independent, proud, hard-working and hard to govern. And its the main difference between the horrors of the past and modern day life. We’re facing the filth, poverty, disease, the backbreaking work and the early death of the pre-industrial eras. But we’ll be very easy to rule. Don’t make yourself a sacrificial victim for a population that doesn’t deserve it. Its cost them a great deal of bimbo talent to take a great good like humanity’s love of nature and animals and turn it into a monstrous evil.

    • pete brooks says:

      09:06am | 16/07/09

      You say you don’t want to risk the Aussie economy or jobs - when you already are! Look up a graph on the internets and compare oil barrel prices over last couple of years, with what we’ve been paying at the petrol pump. Formula One price gouging - someone is making alot of money off us. why support them Steve?

    • Brian says:

      09:15am | 16/07/09

      Well thank God that’s you’re only quibble. Mate, you’re looking at a graph over a tiny period of time, climate-wise. Much shorter-term climate effects such as El Nino will dominate the signal at this scale.
      It’s like trying to judge who’s won a football game with a ‘‘last point wins’’ theory.
      So look at longer-scale graphs:
      http://www.docbrown.info/page04/global_warming.htm
      Or even better:
      http://www.flickr.com/photos/37398063@N06/3444770855/?edited=1
      The last one shows clearly that temparature goes wildly up and down from year to year, because CO2 isn’t the only influence.
      But the first one shows a clear long term correlation.
      Happy now? I look forward to your changing your mind tomorrow. It was all about the evidence after all.
      Wasn’t it?

    • Ian says:

      09:15am | 16/07/09

      The doubtful senator from Victoria seems to have a problem. He can understand the sceptical scientific propaganda of those who claim opposition to global warming, but leaves discussions with scientists and those who see the problem global warming brings, NONE THE WISER. This lone sad senator seems to think that his role is to stand with a mightier than all the rest attitude to his parliamentary role, notwithstanding the tenuous electoral support he obtained. He really is the splinter in the elephant’s bum.

    • Classified says:

      09:16am | 16/07/09

      Well there you go, you got the attention you wanted. I understand the theory of “any publicity is good publicity” although I wonder if making a fool of yourself is really worth it.

    • Eric says:

      09:21am | 16/07/09

      Hmm, the same old anti-corporate mumbo-jumbo from leftist wackaloons in the comments. Why?

      This is not about corporations, it’s about “global warming”. Which seems less likely to be real with every passing year.

    • Paul Dalby says:

      09:23am | 16/07/09

      You are brain dead Fielding. Look at the same graph from 1900. The graph you’ve shown above is like saying the stock market has not crashed based on a graph of the stock market price since March this year. You are innumerate and illiterate.

    • Pete from Sydney says:

      09:29am | 16/07/09

      Steve, please be quiet…seriously, when Paul Keating spoke of unrepresentative swill, he may have been looking into the future…

      I’m heartily sick of you running the country mate, you secured about a millionth of a % of the vote, and yet you get an extraordinary amount of air time…why don’t you pull your head in and get your pension and disappear

    • Will Egan says:

      09:31am | 16/07/09

      Nice to see you forming your own opinion, but it’s pretty pathetic that you try to prove to us that you are aware of climate change. The majority of the public already know!

      It’s gonna be the politican with the most leadership and determination who gains the most credit, not the ones who want to become the aussie Al Gore.

      Good to see that you are trying to tstay in touch with your electorate by using online media platforms
      Cheers!

    • Len says:

      09:32am | 16/07/09

      Just when I was thinking that all politicians were fools along comes Steve.
      Al Gore is a dishonest man and Rudd is little more than a conceited schoolboy. Further, the media whose job it is to search for and present the facts rather than cravenly toe the left-line have a lot to answer for. Especially the lying tax-funded ABC and SBS.

    • Joel B1 says:

      09:37am | 16/07/09

      At last, the debate that never happened. AGW went straight from an idea to a religion.

      I now expect to be called; “an idiot”, “a murderer of future children”, “a rapist of the earth”, “delusional” and be told “I hope you don’t ever have any children”. Mind you that’s nothing compared to what Fielding’s been called in the ABC on-line forums (how very balanced of the ABC…).

    • Jeff from Meroo says:

      09:40am | 16/07/09

      Steve keep up the good fight!  Don’t cave to these idiots that think so highly of themselves they that actually believe they control the weather.  These are the same idiots that 20 years ago were saying the hole in the ozone layer was due to CFCs and that the planet was doomed.  Funny we don’t ever hear about that the hole any more…  oh yeah that’s right..  it turns out the hole goes and comes in cycles and it’s existence has absolutely nothing to do with humans.  Too bad I was forced to spend a grand to convert my car’s AC to use non CFC coolant.

    • Darren says:

      09:53am | 16/07/09

      please be honest Steven - the REAL reason you are fighting this issue is to give youself some hope of being reelected to the Federal Parliament

    • Dale King says:

      10:00am | 16/07/09

      Steve - check the record, 13 of the hottest summers on record have occurred in the last 14 years. You’ve been wandering around the place clutching your graph for days asking someone to explain it to you. It’s a bit like a bemused investor asking why he’s lost so much money on the stock exchange these past 12 months when this week one particular stock is up… Global warming is not as simple as one chart or one indice. But I bet you know that.

    • iansand says:

      10:00am | 16/07/09

      There are a few things that seem to be incontrovertible.  One of them is that temperature (over a scale longer than 13 years is rising.)  So we look at cause.

      A few other things are incontrovertible.

      1.  Carbon Dioxide is a greenhouse gas.  This is undeniable physics. 

      2.  Carbon dioxide is a product of combustion of carbon.  This is undeniable chemistry.

      3.  There are vast deposits of carbon sequestrated underground that have been there for over 50 million years.

      4.  Over the last couple of centuries we have been digging up that buried carbon and burning it, producing carbon dioxide (see point 2).

      Thus, we have been introducing a greenhouse gas into the atmosphere.

      This bit will surprise you.  I, and reputable scientists, cannot say with an appropriate level of scientific certainty whether or not the carbon dioxide produced is responsible for all, or some, global warming.  Why?  Because we do not have a spare Earth to act as a control.  There will always be doubt.  Unfortunately sceptics seize on proper expressions of doubt to bamboozle the credulous (that would be you, Senator Fielding).  On one hand we have responsible doubt.  On the other hand we have mercenary charlatans doing the bidding of their funders by sowing confusion.

      So what to do?  It seems to me that the downside of ignoring the possibility of anthropic climate change is potentially catastrophic disruption to our society, not the Earth.  The sceptics are perfectly correct in saying that changes on this scale have happened before.  However, those changes occurred on a different Earth.  Species migrated or died out and others evolved.  In the case of the last ice age humans adapted and migrated.  This time we have occupied a greater area of the world and there are more of us.  We cannot deal with the change by a simple migration.  When people try to migrate they will be resisted.  We call these wars. That is why I say that climate change will potentially disrupt our society, not the world.

      If we do try to do something what are the downsides?  A few bucks expended.  People employed in different jobs.  The upsides?  Cleaner air.  More efficient industry (efficiency gains are the cheapest and fastest way of reducing emissions).  We will start the process of ending out reliance on fossil fuels and extend their availability for uses where there is no current replacement. (they will run out, whether in 20, 200 or 2,000 years),

    • wolf says:

      10:10am | 16/07/09

      Well done Senator fielding for engaging with the public via the ‘new medial’.  I hope you will take the time to read through the comments and rspond like some of the other contributors to show you are truly participating rather than lecturing.
      I think Brian above has the best answer for you ie you need to look over a longer period than the last 10 years to see the overall trend.  Also I seem to recall a note stating that sea temperatures taken before about 1950 were unreliable as the technology of the time didnt allow a consistant depth to be maintained during measurement but it’s been more reliable since then.
      A friend of mine who is a devout christian told me that he didn’t believe that anything man could do would affect temperatures as only God had the ability to affect change on the magnitude that we are seeing.  I reminded him of the old joke about a man stuck on a roof while the floodwaters rose who waved away 2 boats and a helicopter because he had faith that God ould save him, only to be chided by God for waving away the help he had sent.
      I take the point that it’s possible that releasing all the carbon sequestered over millions of years within the last couple of centuries has nothing to do with the global temperature anomoly but it’s highly unlikely.  If you persist with your belief that there is no link and delay on taking action you’re taking one heck of a risk.  I never had you picked as a gambling man Senator.

    • Paul says:

      10:19am | 16/07/09

      What scientists? What advisor? Your graph has mismatched scales and is nonsense. The globe is getting warmer, its an undisputable fact.

    • Eric says:

      10:21am | 16/07/09

      Some people make much of the risks of not acting to reduce carbon dioxide emissions.

      But there are also risks associated with cutting these gases—economic and geopolitical ones.

      There is no risk-free path into the future.

      By the way, why isn’t there more advocacy for nuclear power from the eco-alarmists? Australia could supply itself and much of the world with low-emission energy from this source.

    • B says:

      10:21am | 16/07/09

      It’s bloody freezing in QLD .. can we please have some global warming seeing we are expected to pay extra tax for it ...

    • Mitch says:

      10:22am | 16/07/09

      Great Stuff Steve, It takes guts to go against the tide, Man made global warming is the biggest SCAM of the century.

    • zebba says:

      10:23am | 16/07/09

      Wow.  Your skills of skepticism and research are amazing! Shame you don’t hold that same level of skepticism for this graph that you keep waving about and your religion.

      I can’t believe that anyone would take that graph seriously. Take out 1998 and add in 2008 and OMG!! An upward trend!!

      And I find the name of your “party” offensive.  Right-wing conservative christian values are not my family…

    • Rod says:

      10:24am | 16/07/09

      Since Al Gore calls his team disciples, does the word “agnostic” have relevance here?
      Having read volumes of both sides of the argument I say as a scientist I simply cannot be sure.
      Therefore I would er of the sdie of caution; yes, we only have one Earth.
      However, for Australia to take a lead ahead of the leading CO2 equivalent genertaors like USA and China is simply silly. And that is what Ridd and Wong would have us do.
      Good on you Steve. You are doing exactly the job we need of a Senator.

    • Rod Rye says:

      10:25am | 16/07/09

      If you use a graph from any other year, say the last 10 years, or last 20 years or 30 years. The result is different, but if you pick 15 years, and exactly 15 years only, you can get a graph that tells you that we’re not causing global warming. That’s very unscientific, because if you ignore enough, the science will tell you what you want it to every time.

    • ion hank says:

      10:25am | 16/07/09

      A report I read recently stated that yes carbon dioxide is increasing in tyhe atmosphere but it also stated that mankind was respopnsible for just. 0.12% of the increase. Anyone seen any other figures on this?

    • Tim says:

      10:27am | 16/07/09

      Dear God,
      Where did you get you Engineering degree from Senator if you think one little 15 year graph shows all the variability of our climate.

    • james says:

      10:27am | 16/07/09

      Why decide for yourself Steve - the CSIRO is the peak scienctific research organisation in this country ....we all fund it through our taxes and they have given a pretty clear picture of the science behind global warming.  Do you think you are smarter than the CSIRO ?  Perhaps you should spend mopre time talking to them than wasting your money and our time on talking to skeptics.

    • mesmer says:

      10:28am | 16/07/09

      Steve,

      I wonder if you actually listen to some of the drivel that comes out of your mouth. Look at the longer term chart of the past 400,000 years and the link between CO2 and temperature is incontrovertable.

      http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/last_400k_yrs.html

      To run around waving a graph of the last 8 years just makes you look stupid.
      It’s like Chamberlain in 1938 getting off the plane waving his paper saying there will be peace in his time.

      There is data on 400000 years of the correlation and you are pointing to data over 8 years. It’s less than 0.00002% of the data we have available and you are running around saying someone explain it to me.

      Think about how stupid that sounds.

      OVer and over again you keep saying things that are just stupid. You would be better if you kept your mouth shut and stopped embarassing yourself.

    • Brett says:

      10:31am | 16/07/09

      Senator Fielding. Your party is called Family First., but you seem prepared to put future generations - i.e. your kids and mine and their kids - at risk because you’ve decided to swim against the scientific tide. Even if global warming is not man made, pollution clearly isn’t good for us - and that’s reason enough for us to reduce our carbon emissions.

    • C-One says:

      10:35am | 16/07/09

      Follow the money trail.  Every politician and corporation banging on about ‘Global Warming’, oh sorry I mean ‘Climate Change’ (since global mean temperatures are receeding they need to cover their backsides with a new name) has an INVESTED INTEREST in it.  Al Gore has already made millions off fearmongering alone, and will reap even more once the trading scheme is in place through his ‘eco-companies’.

      By the way just for the record, Gore’s electricity bill is 11X the average americans - look it up.  As you can see, he is very concerned about the environment and burning fossil fuels.

      All the scientists promoting the theory ARE ON THE PAY ROLL.  The average global warming research grant is $250,000!  The average global warming sceptics research grant is ZERO.

      The day I hear a convincing argument from an ‘expert’ who is not being PAID to say what they are saying I’ll take notice.  So far the most convincing arguments have come from people who are passionate about the science involved, not the subsequent paycheck.

      Carbon tax and trading is simply a new invisible economy that literally taxes the air we breathe.  A completely manipulative economy - more so than the money based economy we already have.

    • RJ says:

      10:43am | 16/07/09

      July 16th, 2009 at 08:15am “The last one shows clearly that temparature goes wildly up and down from year to year, because CO2 isn’t the only influence.
      But the first one shows a clear long term correlation.” You’ve fallen into your own trap. You’re still looking short term. Have a look over the past few thousand years - there’s nothing unusual going on with the climate. At last we have a politician with the brains and guts to speak for themselves. It’s only a matter of time before the rest change. None of them want egg on their faces in the end. Since Gore’s science fiction movie, nothing’s gone his way - temperatures dropping, no sea level increase, total polar ice increasing, glaciers again advancing, IPCC models don’t match real data, no global warming “signature” found. How long can politicians ignore all this without looking like idiots?

    • R.E.L. says:

      10:54am | 16/07/09

      I believe Senator Fielding before Penny Wong any day of the year.
      After all, he has studied science at university level, whereas most politicians today - and journalists - have not studied science beyond a Year 10 level.
      The juvenile comments on this page accusing a scientifically educated senator of being “illiterate”, “innumerate” and “brain dead” tells more about the commentators than it does about Senator Fielding.
      Furthermore, as an aside, Al Gore is a fraud who is desperately trying to form an environmentalist cult based on the Nazis’ approach to nature conservation. And we all know how well that ended. Because when you take the position that trees have the same status as human beings, it is then only a small step to believing (some) human beings are less worthy of life than flora and fauna.

    • GT says:

      10:56am | 16/07/09

      Reading Steve Fielding’s interpretation of figures in a graph of only a small period of time, I’m put in mind of that old adage: ‘statistics, statistics and damned lies’.

    • Ben says:

      11:00am | 16/07/09

      It does not matter if our CO2 emmisions are causing climate change or not.

      Anyone with half a braincell should recognise that we as a species cannot possibly keep polluting and consuming the limited atmosphere and resources like we are currently doing. Something must give and it will !

    • Jim says:

      10:59am | 16/07/09

      Basing a decision on a topic this important on a purposefully selected 13 years smacks of cropping the most damning data to prove my point. When trying to find a trend, why would you not look at all of the data available? (as many people have posted), and see how your reasons hold up to lines drawn on those graphs. As you said yourself, the last 13 years could be due to solar radiation, el nino or some other effect - so look at the long term data.

      Acidification of the oceans is another concern, predicted as a result of a high CO2 in the atmosphere.

      As Craig Venter said, “We’re playing a hell of an experiment with this planet.” And if we screw it up, we’ve nowhere else to go. Surely this is a game you play conservatively.

    • Charles says:

      11:00am | 16/07/09

      Well done Steve and stick to your guns, you are showing that you are a politician of principle, and that unfortunately is a rare and wonderful thing in the current times. 

      In respect of Ion Hanks query, according to IPCC figures, the amount of anthropogenic (human origin) CO2 in the atmosphere is only 4% of the total, meaning the rest is from natural sources.  Therefore, you could eliminate all humans from the planet, and any trace of them ever being here, and reduce the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere from 385 ppm down to 370 ppm.

      For the record, CO2 is a colourless, odourless gas, which is vital for life on earth and makes up approximately 0.0385% of the atmosphere.  Carbon is not large chunks of stuff floating around in the sky regarded as visible pollution as some here would have you think.

    • don says:

      11:02am | 16/07/09

      Gore didn’t meet with you Steve because you aren’t very important on the world wide scene. He wasn’t here just to get your name in the headlines just because you ask for it.

    • O.W. says:

      11:03am | 16/07/09

      Shouldn’t all risk factors be eliminated anyway, even if atmospheric Co2 emissions are not so directly correlated to rising air temperatures as expected by some? Wouldn’t eliminating all risk factors make for a more prosperous future for Australia / the world if time and energy was put into laying the foundation for decreasing too many atmospheric pollutants / emmissions now, instead of later?

    • N. Hart says:

      11:04am | 16/07/09

      There isn’t enough rational debate in politics these days. I fact, as far as I can tell, there’s hardly any; it’s all emotional, tubthumping, demographc pandering, sound-bite grabing pap. Good on you, Sentator. You’re a democrat in the rough.

      “Without freedom of thought there can be no such thing as wisdom; and no such thing as public liberty, without freedom of speech.”
      “It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins.” - Ben Franklin

    • Dave Sag says:

      11:05am | 16/07/09

      Comments seem divided between the usual climat change deniers and a handfull of sensible sounding folk who point out Fielding’s graph is simply too small to show anyything. Senator it is commendable you did some research but deplorable you came to such a daft conclusion.

      Check out http://www.opcool.com The science of GHGs warming the planet is primary school science.

    • Lesley says:

      11:07am | 16/07/09

      Has anyone noticed that the supporters of the myth that carbon emissions cause ‘climate change’, not ‘global warming’ that they preached about for years until they discovered they could no longer support that theory? By calling it climate change no one can dispute what is a natural occurence over millions of years. The climate is not warming as they continue to claim but using computer models to predict the future is a joke. They can’t even predict tomorrow’s weather so how can they predict anything in the future?

    • Don says:

      11:08am | 16/07/09

      Thank you Senator for being prepared to state your own opinion - an opinion that many people share including myself. We will always be called the looneys but time will prove us correct. By the way many of the ‘gullable’ that have also stated their own opinions here have talked about the longer graph. Is that the one with the ‘Hockey Stick’ rise in GW that has been proven to be a fabrication.

    • RT says:

      11:10am | 16/07/09

      Steven, Einstein’s theories are not established beyond any doubt either. Do you wish to express doubt over them too? The existence of God and the whole basis of Christianity is in a fair bit of doubt - are you out or in as a jury member on that question? Looks like the answer is ‘in’ - you want to use your faith to dictate policy but on another important policy matter you’re pretending to be the voice of reason, demanding cast-iron proof that you know cannot be provided. Darren at 8:53am is right - this whole climate sceptic thing of yours is a publicity stunt for a politician facing oblivion at the next election who figures there may be just enough other climate sceptics to re-elect you. I hope you are proven wrong about that.

    • Cameron says:

      11:11am | 16/07/09

      Senator Fielding, I am glad that someone with an open mind is investigating climate change; I am however, worried, that it is you. In your above article you demonstrate that you can’t use the word ‘which’ correctly, you favour it over ‘that’. Additionally, “Well wasn’t I in for an enormous shock.” Senator that is a question, albeit rhetorical, accordingly it needs a question mark. If you are challenged by the obvious or the basic I wonder how you will manage investigating the complex. 
      As your article highlights, attention to detail is important, the point of air temperature against sea temperature is an excellent example of this; but dying by the same sword you have shown you have no flare for attention to detail (or a childlike grasp of the English language, both of which* are scary).
      Vice-President Al Gore’s correct title is Vice-President Al Gore or Mr Vice President. I can only shudder to think of you running up to him and shouting, “Hey Al!” I too would have ignored you. 

      *Senator here is an example of the correct use of the word which.

    • Simon says:

      11:14am | 16/07/09

      Great work Steve! Great to see a polly really getting his hands dirty researching this topic that is of so much importance to our generation! I don’t say i agree with it, I’m a big fence sitter on this subject but ill give a lot of credit to Steve for taking a stance BUT also explaining in detail why and sharing his experiences!

    • chris says:

      11:16am | 16/07/09

      “However, this graph basically said otherwise.”

      Is this a joke? This graph doesn’t say anything of the sort.

      Air Temperature Anomoly is not the same thing as Air Temperature, which is trending upwards and has done along side CO2 levels since 1900 or thereabouts.

    • iansand says:

      11:17am | 16/07/09

      Perhaps the problem is that, as far as Senator Fielding is concerned, 13 years is ~13/6,000 of the entire period the universe has existed.  On that basis it is a pretty significant slice of history.

    • Sambobs says:

      11:17am | 16/07/09

      What an attention seeking idiot you are Steve! Seriously! If your whole argument is based one very disjointed graph then you are the epitome of what the eco-skeptics are clinging on to. Your graph does not compare apples with apples. You are showing the wrong type of line for the air temperature figures. Instead you could show a median average line of this you will see that in fact the air temperature IS climbing proportionally to the CO2 emissions.

    • Dane says:

      11:19am | 16/07/09

      Cameron, this is a story about climate change not a lesson on the English language. Seriously

    • Val says:

      11:20am | 16/07/09

      Mesmer, -the graph you allude to is the same one that Al Gore attempted to use to prove a correlation between temperature change and CO2 levels. What you both forgot to mention is that it shows, in it’s original form, that temperature increases produce more CO2. IT DOES NOT SHOW that more CO2 increases temperature. CO2 always increases AFTER a temp increase, so people looking at two graphs together think that the CO2 must be increasing the temperature. The actual original graphs show the time lag.
      Please people, download or see the movie ‘the great global warming swindle’ it will open your eyes. To those that do believe in manmade global warming\climate change, I don’t see why you feel the childish need to call him names or make smart alec assumptions about his intelligence. He has the guts to go against the mainstream propaganda and has actually studied it. I will bet most here have only ever got their ‘facts’ from the media. Follow the money. -climate change has become an industry that depends on a steady diet of lies to survive.

    • sean says:

      11:21am | 16/07/09

      whatever the causes are stevie (ie whether scientists are right or not) we have two options: we can do something about climate change or we can do nothing.  There is significant costs to doing something which is a concern, but this essentially plays out 4 ways.  If we do something we incur a massive cost, and if the scientists are right then we probably avert the worts outcomes from man made warming, if the scientists are wrong and we still incur the massive costs then the waste of resources spent futily battling the change is a bad thing.
      If we do nothing and the scientists are wrong then all well and good, but if we do nothing and they are right, the effects of global warming on human civilization will be disastrous (well beyond any costs from acting).
      The only sensible approach that can be taken when facing an risk matrix like the one i’ve outlined above is the course of action that mitigates the likelihood of the worst possible outcome. 
      If you want to do the responsible thing steven you should remember that avoidancing of the costs involved in in mitigating that risk is not just irresponsible, it’s negligent.

    • N says:

      11:22am | 16/07/09

      Keep up the questioning, Steve!  This issue has taken on a religious fervour just like the Club of Rome (1960’s) predictions and the Y2000 Bug, and look how they turned out! 
      It is so in the interests of the politicians to add new taxes to our system to enhance their power and influence that I no longer trust them.  How many of you who think it is a good idea regardless of proof that we have a carbon tax realise that the estimated cost per family per annum is about $4000?  Pretty serious money for a theory, don’t you think?  And think of the potential for abuse, corruption and at best the inefficient use of those massive funds.

    • John Tuttle says:

      11:22am | 16/07/09

      Steve - thank you for standing up for common sense. 

      Like you, I agree that global warming is happening - but we sholdn’t risk the economy for something that isn’t proven, and I am yet to see concrete proof that AGW exists. 

      It is about time we had a mature debate within society about AGW.  It is unfortunate that the views of skeptics are not respected.

      Tuttle.

    • zebba says:

      11:23am | 16/07/09

      Charles, Jun 16 10am: “For the record, CO2 is a colourless, odourless gas, which is vital for life on earth and makes up approximately 0.0385% of the atmosphere.  Carbon is not large chunks of stuff floating around in the sky regarded as visible pollution as some here would have you think. “

      That description is not what some here would have you think.  You’ve misinterpreted them.

      To see what we REALLY mean, head on down to the Latrobe Valley, Victorias power generating region.  Go to “Tramway Road” between Morwell and Churchill, and look at the trees.  They’re all black. If the trees are black, then that stuff is getting into the lungs of the people who live near there, the cows that are feeding in the paddocks, etc.

      Next, head on up to Churchill and grab a cheese and bacon pie from the bakery (you’ll thank me - and no, I’m not financially vested in that recommendation, they’re just real nice!), then head on over to Traralgon.  Take a big, deep breath of the air, through your nose.  You smell that? The town STINKS.

      Now stop in at the local community health centre there and ask to look at some of the health statistics for the Valley, and how they compare to the rest of Victoria.  Look again.  Accuse the person who gave you the report of doctoring the numbers.  Then ask why those numbers aren’t more well known, because they are alarming.

      Then, keep driving up the road, past Sale, to the road between Sale and Bairnsdale.  Look at the trees on the side of the road.  They’re bouncing back, but you can see heaps of dead wood on them. Go back 15-20 years, and those trees all looked dead.  It was only when the coal industry started to make some token changes that the trees in that region (down wind) started to come back to life.

      You’re suggestion is a gross misrepresentation of what many of us are trying to say. CO2 is not the issue, but it’s an incredibly easy way to measure pollution. And I’m not some hippy greenie - my parents and brother both work in the (hardwood) timber industry in East Gippsland. I’m just pointing out that the issue is far bigger then some narrow minded and ignorant people would have us believe.

    • Nicholas says:

      11:23am | 16/07/09

      That graph is misleading. Look at the long term trend since industrialisation and the pattern is there! The graph starts at an Elnino year when 1998 was unseasonally hot….take a look at Penny Wong’s answers to Fieldings questions on his own website! The fact he cannot understand the answers and has been blind sided by a statisticians trick in this graph is more indictaive of his lack of intelligence than anything else!

    • Frank says:

      11:25am | 16/07/09

      Youve been had Steve. That graph you flash about has had its time period and scale fiddled with so as to trick those with less than an enquiring mind.  I know you want to see a direct correlation on a simple to understand graph but it probably wont work that way. Instead of arguing about a correlation over an obviously short time period, lets start arguing the THEORY. Do you dispute the theory that CO2 increases the retention of heat? Lets get back to basic here and not focus on doctored graphs.

    • Daniel says:

      11:34am | 16/07/09

      Just like the lobbyists employed by the Fossil Fuel Industry, Fielding understands how to appeal to the stupid. What a terrible terrible shame it will be if this idiot holds our country back enough that we miss opportunities in the emerging renewable energy industry, funny how the so called experts he spoke to in the states (the carefully named Heartland Institute) are funded by the coal industry

    • Colin says:

      11:34am | 16/07/09

      Politicians are not scientists, and therefore cannot always wrap their minds around something as large and complex as climate change theory, while at the same time keeping an eye on the winds of public opinion. I’m glad Senator Fielding has taken a more honest approach to this issue and not just gotten sucked in by the sort of psuedo-scientific inneuendo that is parroted by Ms Wong.
      As for Mr Gore, he has become incredibly wealthy since leaving elected office and taking up environmental evangelism full-time. His own “carbon-footprint” however does not seem to concern him nearly as much as everyone elses, as he flies private jets around the world and leaves the lights on back at his mansion.

    • Ricky says:

      11:35am | 16/07/09

      Can someone explain how an ETS or Carbon Credit/Trading system is actually going to lower the level of CO2 output. I don’t mind legislation that is effective, but an ETS or Carbon trading system will do nothing to reduce CO2 output. Any system that allows for people to make money/sell rights to CO2 production will require that industries involved in CO2 production will need to remain viable, pofitable and on going. Has anyone questioned Al Gore on his ethics. He is setting up investment tools that rely solely on selling carbon credits. The hypocracy of the Left is awe inspiring. You might not agree with Sen Feilding but it’s about time emotion was taken out of the debate. It is stupid to assume that taxing Australian families is a way to reduce CO2 emissions. Look at the legislation enacted in the US to lower emissions from 2 stroke outboard motors and how effective it was, we now see technology that makes most 2 stroke outboards more efficient, less polluting and quiter than they ever have been.

    • steve says:

      11:38am | 16/07/09

      Of course the climate changes he is not going to deny that, we all know the climate changes but there is the argument….....

    • Allan says:

      11:39am | 16/07/09

      I wish that people would reread the first sentence again.
      Senator Fielding believes in climate change.
      He believes that global temperature has gone up and down over the millennia, much like sea level.
      But it is a valid question, is carbon dioxide the SINGLE cause of global temperature variation?
      Another is who decided that today’s global average temperature is the optimum for mankind?
      I shudder to think that we spend trillions of dollars to reduce carbon dioxide emissions into the atmosphere for no effect on global temperatures.
      I believe that there will be a greater effect on global climate from the projected increase in global population from today’s 6.5 billion to 2050’s 9 plus billion.
      Bjorn Lomborg, another climate change believer, is well worth reading as a foil to Stern, Garnot, Gore et al.
      Don’t stop asking questions Senator Fielding.
      In fact insist that all research be thoroughly scrutinised, particularly the statistical methods that have been used in the analysis of raw and proxy temperature data.
      Even some of the sheep above may eventually open their minds to new and ongoing research.

    • HHH says:

      11:42am | 16/07/09

      I have great respect for Senator Fielding but even if CO2 isn’t to be blamed for global warming isn’t it time we re-think how the earth resources ought to be used? CO2 emitted from Vehicles and power plants is making the oceans acidic. Think about the 6.5 odd billion people on earth and the methane produced by their wastes.Methane is a greater threat than CO2. If only the Senator were to know Gore is an New World Oder Muppet, he wouldn’t think highly of Gore. With Regards to the Dudd Government,  I say they are no different then any other in power. When political parties come to power they like to cling to power. The only reason parties come to power is because their campaigns are sponsored by lobbyist.. industrialists, property developers, miners etc.It is no secret that Dudd’s carbon capture project is to protect coal exports and hence coal lobbyists. Australia is an island continent, why hasn’t anyone mentioned harnessing the power of the waves? Or even investing in Solar powered projects for that matter? With regards to CO2 emitted from cars, car manufacturers are encouraging people to buy diesel cars cus they emit lower amounts CO2 but none mention Nitrogen oxides being emitted which poses a greater threat to health than CO2. Cheers

    • Antony says:

      11:42am | 16/07/09

      Thanks Senator Fielding. I understood you perfectly well - i would rather you spent time investigating and communicating with us than checking and double checking your English. To be honest, most people wouldn’t have picked up on the details…Cameron, the context is important. I am sure a document that was to become law would be carefully checked.

      Anyway, on the topic of carbon emissions, it would be interesting for people to know how much carbon is emitted from one grumbling volcano and then work out how many of those are around world. And if there was a volcanic eruption, how much carbon would that produce?

      I believe there are other ways of measuring carbon but in the early days, they used to measure carbon dioxide in the atmosphere from an observation point in Hawaii…basically on top of a large volcano…interesting…

    • Andrew says:

      11:52am | 16/07/09

      Brian, you state that we should look at the long term graphs. Yes, let’s do that. Funny, we find that the temperature is actually dropping. The pro climate people keep talking about the ice caps melting. They are referring to the northern hemishpere. They don’t bother to tell you that the sout pole is freezing up more than before. This hwole issue is simply the planet going through it’s cycle. Leave it alone and it will take care of itself. Why does man seem to think he knows the answers to everything. We only end up stuffing things up further. As far as Steve goes, let him continue to try to get politicians to see the truth. At least then we would know that miracles can happen.

    • miketron says:

      11:53am | 16/07/09

      So if you want scientific evidence for CLIMATE CHANGE, where is your evidence for your ridiculous BELIEF IN GOD and antiquated middle-eastern sense of ethics?
      Oh, that’s right, you people only want to talk about SCIENCE when it’s convenient…

    • Greg says:

      11:55am | 16/07/09

      You are all missing the point, he is not disputing that the earth is getting warmer, all he is saying is that he does not believe man is responsible for it. All of you bleeding heart lefties are putting foward “proof” that he is wrong and saying the world is heating up. You are missing the point, why tax an already over taxed population when it is going to make absolutely no difference to global warming. I for one wish more of our politicians would do as much research and forming of their own opinions instead of blindly going along with what the biast media says. Good job Steve, we need more people like you!

    • wolf says:

      11:57am | 16/07/09

      N it’s interesting that you mention the Club of Rome - a CSIRO study was done last year into limits to growth and found most of their models were spot on:
      http://www.csiro.au/files/files/plje.pdf

      Before you start asking about why petroleum didnt run out in 1992 don’t forget the original predictions were based on known resources (and this is stated in the report) - the model itself has held up when you add recent discoveries.

    • Leigh Hughes says:

      11:58am | 16/07/09

      It’s pretty clear Senator Fielding knows what answer he wants, and will distort the science to get it. The time-series graph of emissions to temperature is a small subset of the much larger sample, and very selectively chosen. Any climate scientist will tell you that over a ten year period that ocean cycles will dominate, as it does here with the 1998 El Nino effect boosting the temperature around 1998. On a basic temperature/emissions graph (which does not identify causal factors) it takes longer for the warming effects of changed atmospheric composition to become clear (as it does in the larger sample), particularly as accurate ocean temperature forecasting is still being developed for intermediate time periods.

    • Allan says:

      12:08pm | 16/07/09

      A number of people above have mentioned that oceans are acidic.
      This is wrong!
      The pH scale runs from 1 (most acidic) to 14 (most alkaline) with 7 being neutral.
      WolframAlpha gives the current average pH of oceans as 8.2, which makes it alkaline.
      The most you could say is that the oceans are tending towards neutral.
      It is annoying how spin effects even simple descriptions on the condition of the environment.

    • Murray says:

      12:10pm | 16/07/09

      Good on you Steve. For all you arrogant, brain dead plonkers who think mere mortals can effect the climate either way,  wake up to yourselves.

    • Philip_B says:

      12:18pm | 16/07/09

      I like Senator Fielding more and more. I will definitely vote for his party in the next election.

      And the truth about global warming is we simply don’t know by how much the Earth’s climate has warmed over the last century. We can’t even be certain it warmed at all.

      The surface temperature records are too unreliable. You have to realize most of these measurements were made by people like the local post master. The more reliable satellite data only goes back 30 years, but it doesn’t show any warming over most of the Earth.

      And for the measurement that really matters, ocean heat content, the data only goes back 5 years, and it doesn’t show any warming either.

      So Senator Fielding is right. The Earth’s climate probably warmed over the last century, but we don’t know by how much or what caused it. And despite what you hear, there is no scientific evidence that increasing CO2 has any measurable effect.

    • David C says:

      12:22pm | 16/07/09

      Wow what a reaction, seems Punch readers have an interest in Climate Change and the 100 worst pop songs, same amount of postings.
      To this article, I fail to see the problem here, Fielding asked some questions and has issues with the answers. So what, isnt he entitled to that point of view? He is not disputing climate change he is just disputing mans influence in the process. Why all the personal attacks.
      Maybe someone else can have a go and present some evidence to man’s influence.. The graph is just saying if we are going to bypass evidence and rely on computer models for this issue then can we at least ensure they are matching reality. The last few years are not matching the predictions.
      And as far as Gore is concerned, if he is so convinced about all this and so sure he is right why not sit down for an hour or so and talk to Fielding, whats the problem with that?
      As far as climate change is concerned why not focus on adaptation? It seems to me humans et al seem quite happy living in Stockholm and Singapore where the temprature difference is quite large.

    • Simon Smith says:

      12:24pm | 16/07/09

      Steve Fielding has fallen for the oldest trick in the book - “lies, lies and damned statistics”.  The reason that there is no increase in temperature on the graph is that there is a lag time between co2 concentration increase and temperature increase, which is both well understood and well reported in the literature.  It’s somewhat disappointing to say the least that Steve Fielding has not picked this up through his discussions.  More to the point it’s even more disappointing that he wasn’t given this information by the nation’s chief scientist.

      There is actually a lot of scientific evidence and subsequent discussion around whether it’s co2 increase that causes the temperature to rise, or vice versa.  In actuality it’s likely that it’s both - a positive feedback loop is in existence which perpetuates the problem.

      I do believe there is an overwhelming amount of alarmism on both sides of the debate but it is incontrovertible that global co2 levels and temperature have increased dramatically since the Industrial Revolution.  This is at the same time that the levels of deforestation and burning of fossil fuels have also increased, just as dramatically if not more.

      Mr Fielding, I’ll let you be the judge of whether that is evidence of anthropogenic climate change or not.

    • serge crosnier says:

      12:29pm | 16/07/09

      Go on! nick off Steve caus it seem to me that you do not care at what our next generation will suffer, because of ignorant people like you,we want our kids, there kids, and there kids and so on, to be able to live on this planet,we do not want to stuff it up don’t we, why don’t you want to see the light,like 97% of us.

    • dug says:

      12:29pm | 16/07/09

      i applaud you Steve, please dont give up. We need more powerful voice to put a stop to all this hype.

    • andrew says:

      12:34pm | 16/07/09

      Other comments here have pointed out the problems with fielding’s one piece of evidence he has provided.

      I am concerned that the Heartland Institute got through to fielding but nobody else seems to.  I’m not surprised Wong couldn’t get through, but why hasn’t the ANU professor, CSIRO scientists, or anyone else?

    • MarkH says:

      12:38pm | 16/07/09

      Interesting that one side of this “debate” is focussed on the (supposed) science involved and the other is engaged in furious ad hominem attacks (Did I spell it right Cameron?)

      An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting).

      Also interesting that those attacking Steve’s Christian beliefs are reacting like zealots in defence of the new religion of GW/CC.

      And for those who don’t think it is about the money, just follow the link from Dave Sag (http://www.opcool.com) and discover the breathtaking scope of money gouging and puerile “science”. available. Sheesh.

      Climate variability.  Yes
      Is CO2 a major driver? No
      Do we have a problem? Yes, but it is pollution not CO2!
      PS: given that CO2 is the basic nutrient of all green plants - it is NOT a pollutant…

    • brian says:

      12:42pm | 16/07/09

      I think the central point here is that Fielding at least claims that he will be persuaded by evidence from scientists.
      If true, at least it leaves a window.
      May I suggest reading the summary of the scientific consensus, the most recent IPCC report
      http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/publications_ipcc_fourth_assessment_report_synthesis_report.htm
      - ‘‘There is very high confidence that the global average net
      effect of human activities since 1750 has been one of warming’‘
      - ‘‘Most of the observed increase in global average temperatures
      since the mid-20th century is very likely due to the
      observed increase in anthropogenic GHG concentrations’‘
      - ‘‘It is likely that there has been significant anthropogenic
      warming over the past 50 years averaged over each continent
      (except Antarctica)’‘

      Since he likes graphs, check out the ones on page 40.
      They show clearly that all known NATURAL causes of global warming/cooling alone do not account for the temperature changes.
      However, all known NATURAL PLUS ARTIFICIAL causes of global warming/cooling DO account very closely for the actual temperature.

      But don’t let that stop the nitpickers, the cranks, the so-skeptical-they’ve-blindfolded-themselves, those with an interest in big industry (follow the money, indeed!) or the plain ornery.

      They will complain and fuzz and cherry-pick and mislead and misunderstand for the rest of time.

      Why not believe the scientific consensus. I mean, why not?

      The only explanation I can think of is that it suits you not to.

    • Shannon says:

      12:51pm | 16/07/09

      I think it some what naive to base your evidence for global warming on data from such a short subset of data.

      This applies to both camps the believers and the non believers.

      The reality is that the earth has existed for approximately 4.54 billion years and in that time there have been lengths of time where the average temperature has been higher than it is now (Cretaceous Period) and Cooler (Carboniferous/Permian).

      I think that both camps should admit that they both have as much idea as to what the earth climate is doing as a tea leaf has on the history of the Dutch East India Trading Company.

    • troy says:

      12:53pm | 16/07/09

      Ok cant stand - the quote that is mangled 3 + times here (Mark Twain I think)
      should be “Lies, dam Lies and statistics” – if you can’t recall this witticism what chance have you of recalling the AWG “facts” you are trying to communicate?

      Anyhow, the sort timer period is a little bogus but so is the time frame used in longer prow AGW graphs – based on proxies of tree rings that has been proves highly selective and partially wrong.
      The data Field uses is Satellite data free of any corruption of local heat islands or “tree ring guesses” – probably the only believable data available.
      Those who criticise the scales are really showing their lack of analytical skills. The scales exaggerate the increase in CO2 and change in temperature not hid it.
      I read a lot on the topic.  And summarise that the AGW believes are prone of gross exaggeration and scare mongering,  Sceptics use more science and are guilty on occasion of being selective. Both are being disingenuous,. But only one side wants to tax you on the out come.
      There are many things that need to be answered .
      Why is there no hot spot at altitude that the AGW model predict and require to change global temperatures?
      Why was temperature increasing from the little ice age in the dark ages with no C02 forcing?
      Etc etc

    • Len says:

      01:05pm | 16/07/09

      Val (above) you got it right, I was about to say the same thing.
      This is why I (Len, above) call Gore dishonest. He knows quite well
      that temperature increases on the earth (by the sun) cause the oceans to release their massive quantities of CO2. Even small changes in sea temperature causes a large release. Like when you shake a warm bottle of coke, the gas releases explosively. Mesmer, you are the one that looks stupid. You see two well-correlated graphs and you foolishly fall for the lie that A causes B when in fact B causes A..
      Those respondents above who dismiss Fielding’s graph as having a small time frame still need to explain why it is that man-made CO2 has increased but the temperature readings have taken no notice!  Does CO2 affect temperature or not? If so explain the graph.
      It is irrelevant to the debate what party Fielding is from or what Keating thinks about the senate.

      Howard gave us the GST, and now Rudd wants to up the ante by taxing carbon. All of which means bigger government. I tell you we are voting ourselves into the Fascist state where big government controls everything. Perhaps this is what modern man wants. The Nazis did the same thing, they were voted into office and then proceeded to have government dominate everything, in the national interest of course. The USA is well down this road and we are following like lambs.
      Look at those that are pushing the anti-CO2 cause, they are almost all on the public payroll, including the CSIRO scientists. They have a vested interest in the issue and therefore are not to be trusted.

    • G says:

      01:07pm | 16/07/09

      It’s pure arrogance on the part of mankind to think that exploiting and poluting the environment to such a degree will have no effect.

    • MF says:

      01:12pm | 16/07/09

      You talked to Australian scientists?  Let me guess, you talked to Ian Plimer and Bob Carter? 

      Crawl back into the hole you came out of.

      - An actual scientist

    • Steve of Cornubia says:

      01:22pm | 16/07/09

      Hi MF. Welcome to the debate. I take it from your unjustified, over-the-top, aggressive and insulting ‘comment’ that you are a ‘Believer’ ? If so, perhaps you could tell me why you react this way, as do other ‘Believers’ I have tried to talk to? Usually, I barely have my question started before the screeching begins and I am told what a plonker I am. That’s generally as far as the conversation gets.

    • tilden says:

      01:22pm | 16/07/09

      i read the answers Wong’s crew gave you. they are in simple english and very comprehensible. you really should be able to understand it.
      we are changing the chemical make up of the atmosphere. This has global effects.
      Sunspots still effect earth, natural variations still happen, elnino and lanina still drive weather events across the pacific, the earth still goes through its cycles, but on top of this, a well as this, the changes the the atmospheres chemistry we are making have global effects.


      the world is not as simple as you need it to be Senator


      also your graph is unaccredited.

    • Ben says:

      01:27pm | 16/07/09

      “Charles says:

      Well done Steve and stick to your guns”

      Why is sticking to your guns in the face of overwhelming evidence a good thing?
      Surely it is about as pig-headed and anti-scientific as you can get. Does Steve really think he is smarter than the majority of climate change scientists that have spent there entire life studying this? Why has one presentation influenced him more than ALL OF THE EVIDENCE? Steve, this is ridiculous mate, if you want to hold a scientific viewpoint then actually employ the scientific method in your thinking.

    • Sam says:

      01:27pm | 16/07/09

      Steve, the reaction of CO2 emissions with the temperature of the earth have never matched exactly at the same time period. The effects of CO2 emissions today are from over fifty years ago.
      Also, I agree with you wanting to look into it, but a vast percentage of the world’s leading scientists have all agreed that climate change is man made.
      I thought we got over that hurdle years ago.
      We put a dirty great big hole in the ozone layer, i’m sure we’re capable of trapping carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, and as a result, raising the earth’s average temperature.
      After all, for every action, there’s an opposite and equal reaction.

    • Anthony says:

      01:32pm | 16/07/09

      It’s funny how people (The Left who are fooled way too easily) are so quick to insult Fielding. The temperature rise over the past 150 years is nothing outside natural variation, the temperature rose due to our coming out of the little Ice Age. All IPCC models predicted temperatures to keep rising, but the last 8 years they have been falling, and all IPCC models even fail to predict past temperatures. Prove that C02 is causing catastrophic temperature rise, rather than just resorting to petty smearing and insults. Also, Antarctica has been increasing in size for the past 30 years.

    • MF says:

      01:44pm | 16/07/09

      Steve - I am neither what you pigeon-hole as a “believer” or a “skeptic”.  My problem with you and others is that you see it as a either/or argument.  There’s shades of grey.  Plimer and Carter are intentionally controversial as it gets them media (and apparently political) attention.  Delve a bit deeper…Have you read “Heaven and Earth”?  I recommend doing a Google search on that and see the amount of commentary and reports which rip apart the “pseudo-science” contained therein piece by piece.  There’s even a nice long list of inaccuracies (and explanations) which was written by a group of CSIRO bigwigs.  Do you really want to use this guy’s “science” as the basis for your decision making?

      For the record, I believe that climate change is cyclical.  I’ve looked at the graphs.  I’ve done the statistics.  And I’ve no doubt that climate change/global warming is real and caused by natural variation in the planetary system, as has been the case over time. 

      On the other hand, I do believe that humans are impacting on the extent of the global warming.  As a society, I do think that we are doing harm.  We’re certainly not helping the situation and we are exacerbating the problem.  And unless we do something, it will get progressively worse.

      - an actual scientist

    • DC says:

      01:44pm | 16/07/09

      On my first reading, I have two immediate reactions:

      1. The Senator seriously loves that graph, and equally seriously misunderstands the hypothesis he claims it disproves. The fact that a hypothesis predicts a correlation does not mean that we should expect a perfect correlation - especially in a complex system such as the global climate where all manner of other variables are involved, and especially over such a restricted range (15 years). Surely someone has given the Senator a graph over the past 100 years. You can find it with a simple google search.

      2. Does the Senator genuinely believe Al Gore had a moral obligation to meet with him, no matter what else Gore had scheduled? And could there be any plausible explanation for why the meeting didn’t eventuate, other than Fielding’s claim that Gore was “running away”?

      3. The Senator thinks that him believing in CC will shock some in the ‘left.’ Garbage, the left think the Senator is an inconvenience out of his league who will finish his term and put the whole sorry saga behind them. It is only the ‘right’ , those bizarre Akerman-esque science denialists that would be shocked, if only to the point that this wunderkid in the Senate who was so backward in his science was only kind of on their side. Back to voting for the Nats I guess.

      Honestly Senator, if it’s attention seeking, great, but if you actually take this sort of ideologically (or often industry) driven fervour as truth, God help us all. Try the CSIRO for a start, or the UN Environemtnal Agency, or pretty well any national agency on earth….

    • E says:

      01:44pm | 16/07/09

      The reality is global warming can not be cured by introducing more taxes.Action is needed but this tax grab is not the way.

    • G says:

      01:50pm | 16/07/09

      i’ve always thought this whole debate is a bit muddle headed. Climate change is real it has been happening for millions of years and will happen for millions more. But to the extent that the earth’s atmosphere is a closed system we can’t just pump stuff into the air and expect nothing to happen…eventually. So regardless of whether or not we are to blame for the current climate variability isn’t it incumbent on us to leave the world a better place for those who come after us, our kids and grand kids. So let’s cut polution where we can and try to create a cleaner greener world. Surely we all agree on that???

    • Marcus says:

      01:55pm | 16/07/09

      Ah Senator. Like any good denialist, you only cherry pick the data which suits your purpose. Looking at a decade where solar irradiance has fallen by 2W/square meter, & bookended by a strong El Nino & strong La Nina will tell you exactly what you want, wheras looking at longer term trends (the last 30-60 years) shows the real picture, a picture where changes in solar irradiance have become decoupled from changes in surface temperatures. Explain that, Senator.

    • Gibbot says:

      01:56pm | 16/07/09

      I’m not surprised Al Gore won’t meet with you, Steve. I would personally go to great lengths to avoid meeting you because, despite overwhelming scientific evidence to the contrary, I’m unconvinced that stupiditiy is not a viral infection. In fact, I’ve got a graph my mate at Phillip Morris gave me that says it is.

    • Paul says:

      02:00pm | 16/07/09

      Good on you Steve make up your own mind, express your opinion we still have free speech even though many don’t value it and want to shut you up. They some how can put up with that evil Bob Brown getting all the coverage.

    • Marcus says:

      02:01pm | 16/07/09

      Len, according to the CO2 data we have to hand, CO2 levels since the mid-1950’s bear no correlation with changes in solar irradiance, so your theory really doesn’t have a leg to stand on. Indeed, CO2 levels (& global temperatures) continued to rise throughout the 1970’s & 1980’s in spite of a large fall in solar irradiance. Also, if solar irradiance is to blame, then how do you explain stratospheric cooling?

    • Dallas Beaufort says:

      02:04pm | 16/07/09

      Steve Fielding lays out a Babette’s Feast with a main course comprising facts which the politically correct continue to whitewash.

    • Marcus says:

      02:05pm | 16/07/09

      This stuff about *proof* could be taken so much more seriously if the man making the claim didn’t belong to a Party & a Church which still believes that the Earth is only 6500 years old, or which proudly proclaimed at the 2004 election that Lesbians were witches & that Temples & Mosques were houses of the devil. Beware, so-called “skeptics” about who you choose as your “Messiah”. You might well make yourself look like geese.

    • Paul says:

      02:06pm | 16/07/09

      Steve - it seems to me those who say you have no evidence would have been the same as the Nazies who denied the Jews were being exterminated because there was no evidence. No evidence they wanted to hear or see!

    • Ed says:

      02:09pm | 16/07/09

      I think Senator Fielding’s skepticism rather than face value acceptance is to be praised. Then again, for a party based on a christian values, it’s pretty laughable that Stephen Fielding can have such an enlightened outlook on climate change without applying his healthy skepticism to religion.

    • Jane says:

      02:12pm | 16/07/09

      Not for Al Gore, the Guru of the warmenistas, to cut emission levels and travel with the herd.  No, it’s a private jet.  Not for Al gore, the Guru of the wartmenistas, to cut down on the power used in his own home.  Not for the bulk of the wamenistas to give up their 6 cylinder cars and 4WD’s.  If, at any time, the Guru had espoused Governments supporting R&D and the implementation of less carbon chewing power, or R&D for more sustainable fertilization and crop production, I may have leant some support.  However, this simply appears to be a grab by over controlling governments for the industries which have vastly improved our lives and support us.  The whole scheme is a tax grab and money making opportunity for confidence tricksters.  Climate change is real, learn to live with it.  Not commit hari kari for the elites.

    • Ben Payne says:

      02:16pm | 16/07/09

      Ahahahahahahahaha!

      You guys are all so gullible.  It is not about climate, or carbon, ITS ABOUT MONEY!

      Carbon trading will not cut carbon emissions; it will just cost consumers more money to buy the same stuff, while still emitting the same amount of carbon.

      If the government was serious about climate change and cutting carbon emissions, it would be building renewable energy power plants.

      The technology is available - geothermal, tidal, wave, wind and solar, any one of which could power our entire country forever, for free, starting right now. 

      Really, who gives a crap if there is global warming or not?  Just build the renewable power plants, and tell the energy industry to f*** off.  We’re sick of them screwing us and the environment.

    • GC says:

      02:22pm | 16/07/09

      Imagine a man walking up a hill and playing with a yo-yo at the same time.  It’s night time and the man’s yo-yo is one of those glow-in-that-dark ones. 

      You’re an observer and, because it’s a dark moonless night, you can only see the yo-yo and not the man.  If you were Steve Fielding or some other denialist, you’d look for 10 seconds and say the man was going uphill then downhill then uphill with no apparent trend.  You could even cherry pick the exact time period from the peak of the yo-yo’s path to the trough to ‘prove’ that the man, is in fact, walking downhill.

      A realist would ignore the yo-yo’s cyclic path, look at what happens over a longer time and larger number of cycles, and correctly deduce that the man is walking steadily up hill.

      In climate science, the yo-yo’s up-and-down path represents natural variability, such as the El Nino/La Nina cycle, which affects global temperatures.  That cycle exists whether or not there is underlying, long-term warming.  However, when there is underlying warming, a timeframe of sufficient length is required (i.e. 30 years) to identify it and separate it short-term cyclic variations.  Even then, a proper statistical analysis is required to sort the signal from the noise.  This has been done and has shown conclusively that there is a strong warming trend since the early 70’s.  No climate scientist, nor the IPCC, has ever said or even implied that the trend in atmospheric CO2 concentration must match that in global temperature over very short time periods. 

      Add to this that the temperature data Fielding uses doesn’t include the poles, and Antarctica has been slowly warming and the Arctic has been the most rapidly warming area on Earth.  The one data set (NASA GISSTEMP) that does interpolate polar temperatures shows 2005 as the warmest year, not 1998.  So Fielding is cherry-picking datasets with less global coverage simply to fit his agenda.

      To show a graph like Fielding does and think it somehow blasts out of the water nearly 100 years of quality climate research is laughable.  To show such a basic misunderstanding of climate science shows the joke is entirely on Fielding.

    • iansand says:

      02:24pm | 16/07/09

      I call Godwin.1:06pm

    • Sam G says:

      02:29pm | 16/07/09

      Penny Wong’s team’s response to Steve Fielding is quite clear and comprehensive.  I don’t know what more Fielding could have asked for. http://www.stevefielding.com.au/images/uploads/Wongs_Response11.pdf

      It notes: Fielding is only showing data on air temperature, and is ignoring the heat increase since 1998 in oceans and ice/snow/frozen ground.  He is also showing a time scale too small to account for short-term variation, and is using an unusually high base year (the El-Nino-affected 1998).  All long-term graphs show a clear increase in global temperatures as industrialisation has increased.

      Fielding is doing what most climate change deniers do - pointing to carefully selected, small, unrepresentative data sets as “proof” that global warming is a myth.  It is Andrew Bolt-style science: “Global warming does not exist, because there was a bumper ski season at Thredbo this year…”.

    • David C says:

      02:32pm | 16/07/09

      GC all you are showing is that the globe has got warmer, even if you are right does that show correlation with CO2 levels or causation, this is the issue here.

    • Anthony says:

      02:33pm | 16/07/09

      So, GC, humanity is still pumping out CO2 which I guess equates to the man walking up the hill, but why has the yo-yo levelled out?  Is he “walking the dog”?

    • Edgar says:

      02:33pm | 16/07/09

      The longer the time frame looked at the less convincing the CO2 temperature link is.  A slight warming trend from the bounceback from the little Ice Age hundreds of years ago continues steadily but DOES NOT spike up at all with more CO2 since 1945.  The models say one thing but do not match the facts.

    • Andrew says:

      02:38pm | 16/07/09

      Steve Fielding your place in Australian politics highlights all that is currently wrong with the system for electing individuals to the Senate. You have your seat only through the miracle that is preferential voting. You represent only a small minority of people in the electorate yet somehow hold the balance of power in the Senate. A position of power you do not deserve.

      During your time in the Senate it appears that you don’t actually have a personal policy stance and are merely a political opportunist who abuses his deciding vote in the Senate to have the Government act upon whatever is your pet issue at the time.

      At the last election the Australian People decided that they wanted Kevin Rudd and the ALP to be Governing the country. Perhaps you should get out of the way and allow them to get on with their job.

    • Vanessa says:

      02:54pm | 16/07/09

      Climate Change caused by humans is a THEORY.  The scientific world is full of ‘theories’.  Thank you Steve, for questioning the cause of climate change rather than blindly believing the propaganda put forward by lefty greenies.  The earth, for millions of years, has gone in cycles.  Species continue to evolve or become extinct.  Humans were not around when the dinosaurs died out.  Humans were not around for all of the ice ages.  Can we blame everything on humans? NO.  Rational discussion is required.  NOT taxes that will make certain people or companies rich.  NOT adherence to what Al Gore and his cronies dictate.  If we do not question ALL scientific theories, then we cannot evolve as a free-thinking society.  Why must people sprout the word “denialist” in a derogatory tone if you disagree with OR question Climate Change?  I’d rather have a brain, read the arguments and form my own opinions, than be a “follower”.  I am neither a denialist or a follower - I am a thinker and a questioner.

    • RobJ says:

      02:54pm | 16/07/09

      MarkH says

      “Also interesting that those attacking Steve’s Christian beliefs are reacting like zealots in defence of the new religion of GW/CC.”

      Personally, I’m not convinced (AGW) but I will err on the side of caution, I will defer to those who are more qualified than me (which excludes Fielding) the problem I have with Fielding (apart from him having potentially so much power when hardly anyone voted for him) is that on the one hand, as an engineer, he claims that he analyses data, on the other hand it appears that he accepts the holy Bible as historical fact, where’s the analysis there?

      Here’s your chance Steve Fielding to correct me if I’m wrong about your beliefs, so far I’ve only ever seen you dodge the issue! How about it, tell us, are you a creationist?

      I haven’t seen you respond much to this topic you’ve posted, are you really interested in debate (as you claim)?

    • Kev says:

      02:58pm | 16/07/09

      Well said Steve, stick to the truth and you will succeed, your constituants will support you,  Al gore is a crap artist and history will show him for what he really is. As for Rudd, like Gore he is only in this for himself and his “look at me” ego an the world stage.

    • Bruce says:

      03:07pm | 16/07/09

      Brian 8.15. Good response, however, why isn’t the government using this information to shut Steve Fielding down? I am suspecting Steve Fielding is on to something that deserves to be answered. This is issue is to important just to be swept under the carpet by party politics and supporters. Its important governments get it right, pretending we have all the answers usually means we do not. Either way, if we get this wrong there will be hell to pay in the future.

    • Ian says:

      03:10pm | 16/07/09

      Whatever you do Steve don’t ask questions. Judging by the responses to this piece, the lefties/greenies can’t stand it. Instead of attacking your argument, they attack you personally. Makes you wonder why doesn’t it?

    • Anthony says:

      03:12pm | 16/07/09

      David, so you’re a hospital porter.  About as relevent as Sen. Fielding’s silliness.

    • Adrian says:

      03:14pm | 16/07/09

      The Accidental Senator quotes the ‘scientists’ who also argued that cigarettes did not cause cancer and that lead was Ok in fuel. Literally the same ‘scientists’. He knows this, yet wonders about portraying himself as some innocent in search of truth. The arrogance of persons appealing to false authority is nauseating. We have a panel of 2500 of the worlds most eminent scientists with enormous research cap[acity and access, with that work then peer reviewed. We also have any number of predictions of events stemming back to the 1970’s and earlier, which were also mocked at the time by nongs like this, but have since proven very accurate. But then we have people like David who says he has a ‘medical background’ - firstly, so what? Secondly, what medical backgound, a medical records clerk, nursing aide? Ridiculous appeals to false authority.  These clowns who claim to hold themselves above the pack and portray themselves as ‘thinkers’ are just dopes. And Fielding god botherer extraordinaire got into Parliament with a zillionth of a percent of the vote and only ended up in their because ALP strategists proved themselves to yet gain be corrupt and stupid. He should think of that sometime while misusing his Senate position. All these clowns are just right wing god botherers and should be ignored.

    • Paul says:

      03:16pm | 16/07/09

      Robj and others playing the man devalues your position and demonstrates you really have nothing to add to this debate.

    • RobJ says:

      03:27pm | 16/07/09

      “Robj and others playing the man devalues your position and demonstrates you really have nothing to add to this debate. “

      Mine is a valid question, I need to know what makes this ‘elected’ representative tick. I think we’re fully entitled to know the beliefs of ‘elected’ representatives, don’t you? Like I say I’ve seen Fielding dodge this issue, all the while complaining that others are dodging his questions.

      What have you added to the debate?

      Is this yours?

      “They some how can put up with that evil Bob Brown getting all the coverage. “

      or this?

      “Steve - it seems to me those who say you have no evidence would have been the same as the Nazies who denied the Jews were being exterminated because there was no evidence. No evidence they wanted to hear or see! “

      Let’s face it your post at 2.16 adds nothing. You just keep your head in the sand and don’t worry about what makes our politicians tick!

      Anyway Paul, what is my position that has been ‘devalued’?

    • Zaf says:

      03:28pm | 16/07/09

      Oy vey! Cute without a shirt on (sort of), but take this man’s parliamentary vote away from him before he sticks his finger in a socket looking for electricity…

    • Peter says:

      03:32pm | 16/07/09

      I read the other day that Prince Charles, who is a firm believer in global warming, said that already a third of the Arctic ice had melted.  Now considering we have been told that Pacific Islands will be submerged and Coastal Australia will be under water why isnt the sea level a third of the way up on these islands and our coast.  We we told that Fremantle harbour would need flood gates but so far no change to the oceans levels.  I put this global warming rubbish in the same basket at the Y2K bug that Governments around the world spent billions on only to have nothing happen when the clocks ticked over.  At least with that scam there was a cut off point where it could not be perpetuated any longer.  Well done Steve.

    • Gibbot says:

      03:44pm | 16/07/09

      “After an hour and a half I left none the wiser.”

      But considerably better informed.

    • Petey says:

      03:45pm | 16/07/09

      I’m with you Steve - I’m a B.Sc and understand the concepts while not being a climatologist (there was no such thing when I was at Uni). It seems like we’re risking potential economic failure based on some scientific theories that just don’t seem to hold water. I haven’t yet seen conclusive evidence that global warming is a direct result of our CO2 emissions. You’d want to be pretty sure before you risk our countries economic stability.

    • Al says:

      03:46pm | 16/07/09

      Steve, While it is admirable that you are putting a great deal of effort in understanding the problem.  What you should appreciate is the following:
      1.  The Climate change issue is obviously not as black and white as you would like it to be.  So it is not prudent to ignore the entire body of evidence, and base your judgement on a minor anomaly in the available data.
      2.  The people who elected you would expect you to base your judgement on the best available data.  While there are 2 sides to the debate, there is no doubt that the vast majority of scientist agree that the main cause is the increase in CO2 Emissions.  By ignoring the conclusions of the majority of the scientific community, you in effect are letting down your electors.

      If you do not have ulterior motives, then the question to you is the following: in the absence of an absolute certainty about the cause, do you think it’s wise to ignore the most likely cause given by the scientific community?

    • RobJ says:

      03:58pm | 16/07/09

      “By ignoring the conclusions of the majority of the scientific community, you in effect are letting down your electors.”

      Only 2% voted for him, I doubt they would feel let down, I would imagine that Steve Fielding’s electors are like minded people. Otherwise I agree with you Al.

    • zebba says:

      04:07pm | 16/07/09

      Peter @ 2.32pm…

      Get a glass of water and put a block of ice in it.  Notice how the ice floats? Now, put a line showing the water level, and wait for the ice to melt.  See how the water level doesn’t change? So how would arctic ice make the ocean levels rise?

      Secondly, Y2K was a real issue.  Did it ever cross your mind that the reason nothing happened is BECAUSE all that money and effort was spent on the issue? Have you spoken to anyone who worked to fix the issue for companies, and asked them to explain what would have happened without their effort?  When you’re driving your car and you brake to avoid someone, do you then think afterwards that you didn’t need to brake because you didn’t crash into them? No, you call the guy in front of you an idiot and then praise yourself for being such a good driver.  It’s no different mate - there was no problem because people identified the risks and took action.

      Honestly, do people think before they jump to conclusions, or do they just jump into the air shouting “ah-ha!” when ever the first aparantly contradictory thought enters their head?

    • S says:

      04:11pm | 16/07/09

      The great fallacy among most Fielding supporters is that it’s Fielding the galant knight versus the evil Rudd government.

      Actually, it’s Fielding the climatically-untrained engineer against…the Chief Scientist of Australia, The UN, 157 world governments and all their Chief Scientists, the almost unchallenged opinion of every interested scientist until the bill came in and the real industry, denialism, came in to being, NASA and the vast majority of current scientific data, research and opinion.

      There was NO denialism until there was vested financial interest in this issue. So those suggesting that there is an AGW industry are completely wrong. The IPCC came in to existence in the 1990’s because there was no conflicting science when science was the only issue. I challenge every small-minded sceptic and denialist spouting their wilful ignorance of evidence to find ONE conflicting study prior to the vested business interests getting involved.

      It’s simple - the evidence came in, the decision was unanamimous…now some people don’t like the result so they’re trying to move the goalposts. Too late…thank goodness that most governments worldwide are ignoring the self-interested and doing what governments should do - weigh the impartial evidence, come to a conclusion, and start making plans based on the conclusion.

      Does it mean that AGW is proved…NO! Does it mean it reckless to assume otherwise - ABSOLUTELY!

    • Adrian says:

      04:19pm | 16/07/09

      From Peter - ‘I put this global warming rubbish in the same basket at the Y2K bug that Governments around the world spent billions on only to have nothing happen when the clocks ticked over.’ - this is the amazing thing about people like you - you can’t even work out the logic of your own statements - it was because the preventative action was taken that no problem occured. The Y2K bug was real and it was fixed with very considerable effort. I run my own IT company (and did not ‘profit’ from the Y2K bug, so don’t accuse me of a cover up now) and have an informed view on the subject - you don’t, in fact your statement shows you to be completely and laughably ignorant as you are on the current subject.  You are part of the mob who thinks that because you have a ‘right’ to an opinion it is therefore valuable. I got news for you, it is an ignorant opinion and worthless.

      And Petey says he is a B.Sc (a B.App Sc. more likely - meaning you are a computer nerd - a technician not a scientist) - and expects his paltry alliance with Fielding (an engineer no less) to overcome the IPCC - the logic being that the IPCC is a leftist conspiracy and has no scientific legitimacy - which of course is Fielding the Swill’s dog whistle politics.

    • Mo says:

      04:23pm | 16/07/09

      Gosh Steve, how much you are enjoying your moments of fame.  Shame they have to last six years instead of just fifteen minutes.  Here you are, rushing about, talking to people such as a former US Vice President,  and President Obama’s senior climate change advisers, meeting with Minister Wong, writing to Senators.  How important you have become.
      Glad to hear you want to do your duty for the Australian people, but which Australian people?  The tiny percentage who voted for you?  Those who belong to far right Christian churches?
      Some news for you Steve.  The vast majority of Australians do not attend church.  They don’t believe Charles Darwin got it wrong. They gave up, years ago, on believing that God created the world in seven days.
      We live in a democracy and at the last election we voted for the party that promised to do something about climate change.  Obstructing action may shore up your hard core supporter base but it’s not going to win you any votes any where else.

    • Andrew says:

      04:26pm | 16/07/09

      To Petey with the B.Sc

      While you may have an understanding of the science and be skeptical your economic rationalisation is flawed. Any economist who has studied basic game theory would tell you that the worst outcome for the economy RE: Climate Change is to take no action now and be wrong about the seriousness of this issue. Taking action on climate change is the most responsible and logical thing to do because
      A) If we are right about Climate Change we will have made the right decision
      B) If we are wrong we have at least made the decision that minimised negative outcomes

    • Peter says:

      04:27pm | 16/07/09

      Zebba says @ 3:07
      I am well aware of the block of ice in water and you are correct but I did not say the north pole I said arctic ice.  That is the stuff on land eg Russia Alaska northern Canada etc.  But it is refreshing to see a climate change acceptor admit that the large amount of ice on oceans wont affect the sea level and that includes all the sea ice in Antartica too.  So you have admitted that the melting of sea ice will not raise sea levels.  Therefore the whole “the oceans are rising, we will all be ruined” is not true.

    • jj says:

      04:27pm | 16/07/09

      Great work Steve. Another thing to add to this whole debate is this. Remember back to last year and the year before and what Kevin Rudd named the crisis; he named it “global warming”. What does he name it now? He names it “climate change.” Kevin Rudd also agrees with you Steve, the planet is not warming, the temperature is just varying (as it has always done) and so Rudd now calls it CLIMATE CHANGE.
      I’m sure that if the momentum swings back in favor of those that are questioning this theory, than Kevin Rudd will jump ship; whatever is most popular.

    • Mark Byrne says:

      04:36pm | 16/07/09

      Senator Fielding,

      Four short questions that may help you interpret your favoured chart.

      1)  Which of the follow 4 factors influence the surface temperature of the planet (a) solar cycle, (b) ENSO ocean cycle [which cycles between taking heat down to the ocean depths and leaving heat at the surface], (c) aerosols, such as those produced during China’s dirty boom, (d) rising atmospheric concentrations of gases that have the property of slowing the escape of heat from the planet, (e) all of the above?
      2)  Which of the above 4 factors have been acting to cool the surface temperature in the recent years? And which acting to warm the surface temperature? [I’ll help you with this one, the Ocean is in La Nina phase (taking heat away from the surface), the solar cycle is at the bottom of its 11 year cycle, and aerosols are at record levels thanks to low cost, high polluting boom in production from China and India.
      3)  Why, given the cooling effect of the above three factors, is the planet at near record temperatures (hottest decade in instrumental records)? Why aren’t we at below average temperatures?
      4)  Which of the 4 temperature influencing factors (from question 1) are cycles that will switch between warming and cooling influences? Which will continue growing and thus forcing temperatures in one direction?
      5)  Why did you cherry pick 15 years when you have more than 100 years of data? Especially given that natural cycles will (for a limited time span) mask the effect on of greenhouse gas temperature forcing that changes very little from year to year, but which accumulates and make a significant different over a long time.

    • Marcus says:

      04:38pm | 16/07/09

      A few facts for the so-called “Skeptics” to consider.

      1.  Over a dozen peer-researched papers show that-for the last 6 decades-the correlation between solar irradiance & climate variability has more than halved (from 75% for 1900-1950, down to less than 35% for 1950-2005).

      2.  Whilst tropospheric temperatures have risen at a rate of 0.14 degrees per decade, stratospheric temperatures have dropped by around 0.06 degrees per decade over a similar period. If increased solar irradiance was causing this warming trend, the stratosphere should have *at least* remained the same temperature-if not warmed.

      3.  The correlation between CO2 & climate variability for the past 60 years is 78%, far more than mere chance.

      4.  Contrary to what some so-called “skeptics” claim, there has been no cooling over the past decade. There has been a warming trend of 0.01 degrees per year between 1998 & 2008, even including the El Nino of 1998 & the La Nina of 2007-08.

      5.  Although the thickness of Antarctic sea ice has increased, satellite data shows that the total *mass* of sea ice in Antarctica has actually dropped. This is consistent with observations that increased thickness is due entirely to shifting precipitation patterns caused by the warming of the Southern Ocean.

      6.  What point 5 tells us is that although increased snowfalls of recent years have increased the thickness of the ice sheet (at least on one half of the continent), the older, and more compacted-and therefore heavier-parts of the ice sheet have been lost.

      7.  At days end, even if the so-called skeptics were right, reducing the activities which generate CO2 will be good for our society. Burning coal generates significant quantities of airborne cadmium & mercury, so moving away from coal would be beneficial for our health. Petrol produces benzene & particulate emissions, so moving away from petrol will also be beneficial for our health.

      8.  Reducing our use of coal & petrol do not have to come about through hardship. Better energy efficiency & more efficient use of our vehicles would not only reduce consumption of non-renewable resources, it would also save people money. Unfortunately, too many people out there are determined to defend fossil fuel industry profits at any cost.

    • Jeremy says:

      04:53pm | 16/07/09

      It is a pity that sometimes Australia is a bit backwards and slow on the uptake of new things.
      It is truly awefull that the leadership & major corporations in Australia are truly backward in Global Warming recognition & action.

      Lets Do Something Positive, we obviosly cant wait for the government to act.

      Sntr Feilding - Go ask the people of Tuvalu or the Inuit of Canada that evacuating towns now how real global warming (or meltdown) is..

      Also prepare your House with a Green Loan!

    • Bizair says:

      04:59pm | 16/07/09

      Are you sick of this nonsense? I’m not talking about climate change itself.  I’m talking about the debate from both sides of the road – the believing scientists who are many and the non-believing scientists, far less in number but significant.

      On the one hand we have a great body of scientists who have convinced the world that climate change is happening, and that human activity is causing it all – primarily excessive CO2 being released into the atmosphere.  On the other hand we have some scientists who are sceptics who in general claim that climate change is a natural cycle that the planet is going through.  And they have some evidence for this.

      My understanding is that climate change science is based on observations of climate and other variables that are then fed into various computer models – a very, very many variables.  The more variables you have in any modelling the more unreliable the results. And this unreliability is not a linear function.  If you double the number of variables you do not simply double the unreliability.  The unreliability goes up exponentially.  So we have a great swathe of scientists who, using modelling, have reached a consensus that human activity is causing climate change.  But I suggest to you that many of the “for” experts simply accept the wisdom of those that they respect – with good reason no doubt.  But to count them in the “for” number is a bit like claiming that you are rich because you counted the same $100 note 10,000 times.  We may have a herd mentality at play here – keep that thought.

      The sceptical scientists are not helping their cause either by the publication of populist books on the subject by some of their number, such as Prof. Ian Plimer of the University of Adelaide.  Plimer’s book Heaven and Earth argues that human activity is not the cause. Why is this a published book and not a scientific paper subject to peer review? This unconventional way for a scientist to present a scientific argument does not do the non-believing scientists’ cause any good at all. The fact that a popular book makes a lot of money for the author, unlike most scientific papers, does tend to cloud motive. 

      I guess I am a sceptic all round, but with good cause.  I was in a position during the Y2K debacle to observe it very close hand over a number of years at a senior level.  At the time I was convinced by the overwhelming “expert” claims that Y2K was a worldwide problem with cataclysmic potential.  It wasn’t.  It was a fizzer.  The problem was nowhere near as potentially catastrophic as muted.  Billions were spent checking and modifying software around the world.  Some would claim that the fact that there were no significant problems reported was testimony to the success of the actions taken.  Nonsense. The problem was touted to be so large that no amount of action taken around the world would have found and corrected every serious defect.  A great number would have fallen through the cracks and caused serious disruption.  What serious problems occurred during the transition.  Zip.  So what was Y2K all about?  In my opinion it was simply a case of herd mentality. Frighten enough people, even experts and scientists, and you hit critical mass. What follows is herd fright.  The enemy here was flawed consensus, not science.
       
      Is the same happening with climate change?

    • David of Elwood says:

      05:10pm | 16/07/09

      Why alarmists must get personal is beyond me. It is for you to prove that CO2 is the major driver of climate change, not for sceptics to prove it is not. We are not the ones asking for power or money.

      As for those that criticise the time frame of the Senators Graph; it’s most convenient that you then chose to ignore ice core data that shows the planet has had periods of warming far greater than anything even Al Gore is suggesting we are experiencing now.

      Whether it’s over 15 years or five hundred million years, the point the Senator makes is clear:

      If there is a direct link between Co2 gases being pumped into the atmosphere and temperature increases, it should be constant. Please explain why it is not, rather than just mudslinging and contributing nothing to the debate.

    • Marcus says:

      05:14pm | 16/07/09

      Here’s another thing to consider. When you take a look at inferred (Proxy) & observed climate & sunspot data going back over 2000 years, you see that there is strong correlation between increasing sunspot activity & rising temperatures from around the early 18th century to the start of the 20th century. Around the middle of the 20th century, though, sunspot activity actually fell considerably (to around mid-19th century levels) before leveling off-yet global temperatures continued to rise over that entire period (matched by a cooling in the stratosphere). So, if rising solar activity cannot be blamed for the last 50-60 years of warming, then what’s left? Can the good senator answer that reasonable question?

    • Marcus says:

      05:19pm | 16/07/09

      David of Elwood . Pot. Kettle, Black. I’ve noticed that it’s your side who’re usually the first to resort to name calling & dark conspiracy theories above the motivations of those pushing for a low-carbon economy. I would argue that there exists a wide body of evidence suggesting that it is CO2, & not the sun, which is the cause of the most recent climate change events. The climate change events you refer to in the Ice Cores took thousands of years to occur, & were the result of major shifts in the Earth’s orbit-none of which is occuring at this time. So how do you guys explain warming in the absence of increased insolation?

    • glenn lee says:

      05:24pm | 16/07/09

      If that graph is your best evidence for your position then you are a scientific illiterate. The sad part is that you think you know something. Cherry picking facts and graphs probably works with your constituents but the real world works differently. This is just a pathetic attempt at self justification to the possible detriment of our nation. Biggest economic decision in the country’s history? Do you really believe this classic example of hyperbole? If so, you are also an economic illiterate. My mind is open about AGW but the odds point that way. Crap like this does a disservice to your side of the argument. You need more than factoids.

    • Marcus says:

      05:25pm | 16/07/09

      Oh, I forgot to mention that, the warming between approximately 1700 to 1900 raised the average surface temperature by around 0.7 degrees C-or around 0.03 degrees per decade. By contrast, the warming period of 1950-2009 has occurred at an average of 0.14 degrees per decade, in spite of no increase in sunspot activity/insolation. So what we have is an unprecedented warming trend without any increased solar activity to explain it.

    • David C says:

      05:25pm | 16/07/09

      Jeremy please provide evidence that Tuvalu is experiencing risng sea levels from Climate Change and anyone is running away? How much if any is due to the isalnd sinking?

    • md says:

      05:25pm | 16/07/09

      Huh? You didn’t give us a graph of temperatures. You gave us a graph of temperature ANOMOLIES. Which shows each year to be WARMER than it should be. In fact, not even one year in that range falls shows a negative reading. Conclusion: temperatures must be rising, as you suggest at the beginning of your piece when you say you do believe in climate change. Please read your graphs before using them to decide the future of Australia

    • Jean says:

      05:33pm | 16/07/09

      Michael Mann, the lead author of the IPCC report on Global Warming used tree ring data to guess the temperature from 1000AD to 2000AD. He ignored the Medieval Warming and the Little Ice Age. NAS and Dr Wegman’s report both found the data input was false, the analysis was false and the peer review consisted of a social network of like minded friends reviewing each others’ work.

      Steven Fielding is right to reject the legislation based on the facts. Al Gore and Kevin Rudd cannot justify their statements, they are running away.

    • Bulldust says:

      05:34pm | 16/07/09

      What a huge amount of precautionary principal poppycock. No, it does not make any sense to assume a precipitous scenario and base the allocation of scarce resources based upon the “possible” outcome.

      Secondly, all this debate clearly demonstrates beyond any shadow of a doubt that the scientific jury is far from being in, as the science is not yet understood. We have very, very (repeat very) little knowledge of how the cycles (thermodynamic or otherwise) operate in our oceans. Let alone atmospheric and extraterrestrial effects. We have some very early theories but this science is extremely young.

      Thirdly, don’t harp on about scientific conspiracies vis-a-vis climate change “consensus.” Firstly, science is not about consensus, it is about being correct - 1,000 people saying something is “so” doesn’t make it the case. Secondly, scientists, like many other professions, are susceptable to the effects of financial incentives. ZOMGZ shock horror! /gasp ... yes if you wave enough funding in front of a new science and ask people to find something… guess what happens? More than likely they will find what you asked them to…

      Saying Big Oil backs the skeptics is the same as saying soft-funds attract consensus for AGW. Both may be happening, but if I were a betting man I would say there is likely to be a lot more of the latter than the former.

      Let’s let the scientists hash this out somewhat more in a more neutral arena, and then make evidence-based policy decisions… radical, I know!

      PS> Thanks Sen. Fielding for actually having the fortitude to ask the questions. In this issue I back your questions whole-heartedly. Don’t hold your breath for an answer though, because this debate long since left science behind. Both sides know this as a fact.

    • Albert Einstein says:

      05:35pm | 16/07/09

      Pity there are not more like you in the Senate. Carbon is not driving the process, only weak science. Sad, that some of our leaders are willing to collapse our economy on the basis of political science.

    • glenn lee says:

      05:39pm | 16/07/09

      David of elwood. The big difference is those earlier warming periods can be explained by natural phenomena. The present warming can’t be attributed to known natural processes hence the conclusion that it may be us. Venus is hotter than Mercury yet it receives only 25% of the solar irradiance that mercury gets. Steve and David, why is that?

    • Marcus says:

      05:42pm | 16/07/09

      Well said, md. What his graph indicates is that every year since 1995 has been warmer than for the average of 1961-1990 (a 20-year period which is, itself, considered to be “above average”). Also, these are *not* the anomalies I’ve seen. From 1994 to 2008, the temperature anomalies were: 0.24, 0.38, 0.3, 0.4, 0.57, 0.33, 0.33, 0.48, 0.56, 0.55, 0.48, 0.62, 0.55, 0.57, 0.44. So whilst we see year-by year fluctuations, the overwhelming trend is most definitely *up*!

    • Bulldust says:

      05:42pm | 16/07/09

      Bizair - your criticism of Plimer’s book is a strawman argument. The book cites 2,300+ (as far as I know) peer-reviewed references. His book is intended as an executive summary of the references brought down to a level the lay person can understand. He never set out to reinvent the wheel, as there are already 2,300 references there to peruse.

      If you were to fault Prof. Plimer at all it would be that perhaps he likes the glow of the limelight somewhat, which is a bit unscholarly, but hardly a crime.

    • Stephen says:

      05:44pm | 16/07/09

      You are a dangerous nutjob Fielding. That is all it boils down to.

    • David of Elwood says:

      05:45pm | 16/07/09

      Marcus, I am not taking sides, but once again you have chosen to insult me without reason.

      You argue there exists a wide body of evidence? Where? Direct me to a link? Did I mention the sun? The only evidence I hear about is the IPCC modelling, which they themselves now admit are not accurate. Have you not read their own reports?

      If we can’t predict the forecast six months from now, how can you believe we can predict it for 100 years from now?

      And since when did it become a fact that the world is no longer shifting in its orbital? Where is your evidence of that? Facts Marcus, not name calling and side shows. Please.

    • Yasir Assam says:

      05:47pm | 16/07/09

      Senator Fielding,

      According to your argument, as we approach midsummer the temperature should increase slightly every day. If for a week or so the temperature appears to dip slightly or not go up, does it mean that summer’s are dead?

      Time and time again it’s been pointed out to you that short-term (over a decade) fluctuations are superimposed over the long term (e.g. 100 year) trend. Just because this week is cooler than last week, it doesn’t mean that summer isn’t coming. And just because this decade isn’t hotter than the last, it doesn’t mean that in the long term the temperature isn’t going up due to man-made CO2 emissions.

      I already sent you a link to a clear and simple explanation of this in a statement by the Hadley Centre, which explains how phenomena like La Nina impose shorter-term downward trends over the long term upward trend from man-made climate change, but obviously you either didn’t understand it or you’re choosing to ignore it.

    • Ben says:

      06:16pm | 16/07/09

      I’m disappointed by the number of comments which take one side of an argument and proceed to denigrate those who take the other side.

      To those on both sides who do this, do the world a favour and respect the opinions of others. If they’re wrong, be reasonable when you tell them they’re wrong.

    • ANDIKA says:

      06:19pm | 16/07/09

      Climate change has been happening for BILLIONS of YEARS and the contribution caused by humans is small beer to the natural climate change effect. Water Vapour, the Sun, Earth’s orbital position around the Sun, solar radiation, volcanism, plate tectonics etc are the real causes of climate to change. Warming of the planet is a good thing too – look to the past for your proof. Civilisation flourished when it’s warmer (like now) and when it’s cold – it’s tough and harsh. CO2 is part of the building blocks of life and without it, LIFE on EARTH would have NEVER existed.
      If one accepts the logic from climate change believers, then every Mammal on the planet is enemy no 1 – which is absolutely nuts!
      In case you have forgotten, Every mammal on the planter Breathes oxygen IN and carbon dioxide OUT of their body. Mammal’s require oxygen to create energy via respiration, in the form of the metabolism of energy-rich molecules such as glucose.
      Breathing is only part of the processes of delivering oxygen to where it is needed in the body and removing carbon dioxide waste. The process of gas exchange occurs in the alveoli by passive diffusion of gases between the alveolar gas and the blood passing by in the lung capillaries. Once in the blood the heart powers the flow of dissolved gases around the body in the circulation.
      In addition to removing carbon dioxide, breathing also results in loss of water from the body. Exhaled air has a relative humidity of 100% because of water diffusing across the moist surface of breathing passages and alveoli.
      I’m glad there are a few polly’s like Steve Fielding and Barnaby Joyce who have a bit of ticker and are prepared stand up against issues like ETS Scheme (End thy Species – Employment Termination Service).
      Climate change believers should show more respect to the Skeptic’s view – or do they prefer to revert to Marxist ideology of controlling the language so you can control the debate which is evidenced by the majority of climate change believers. And I though radical Islam was a worry – It isn’t - radical environmentalism is the biggest threat to capitalism and our freedom.

    • Bulldust says:

      06:20pm | 16/07/09

      LOL CSIRO channeling the Club of Rome (CoR). Someone seriously needs to look at their funding arrangements. As someone who is a Mineral Economist and has studied that book and subsequent reference works I am amazed that they didn’t even bother to reference Barnett and Morse’s Scarcity and Growth. It is the single most important reference post-CoR, let alone Scarcity and Growth Revisited.

      This is our pinnacle of scientific research? Something is pitifully awry. I would love to see their graphs also… shame that no data are linked whatsoever.

      One thing I can tell you is that I have read hundreds of academic papers and many PhD’s written in the field of Mineral Economics, and many of them were far from original, let along significant. Some weren’t even accurate. Amazing and sad what passes for “science” these days. There is too much pressure to publish or perish, and too much slips through to the keeper these days.

    • Tony N says:

      06:23pm | 16/07/09

      Steve, you are skeptical about global warming. Do you believe that the world was created in six days and do you believe that Adam and Eve existed? Your response will convince me one way or the other as to your position on on the anthropogenic or otherwise cause on global waming makes you a safe person to entrust with a vote in the Senate.

    • ANDIKA says:

      06:32pm | 16/07/09

      RE glenn lee @ 439pm

      Cause Venus has a RUNAWAY GREENHOUSE EFFECT - Venus has the densest atmosphere of all the terrestrial planets, consisting mostly of carbon dioxide, as it has no carbon cycle to lock carbon back into rocks and surface features, nor organic life to absorb it in biomass.
      VENUS has no planetary magnetic field whereas EARTH does.

    • PaulM says:

      07:19pm | 16/07/09

      Senator Fielding, I’d suggest you do some research into the atmosphere of Venus, where the original idea of a planetary greenhouse effect was observed by scientists.  As our concentration of greenhouse gases increases, a similar affect will and is occuring, its that simple.  As anotehr blogger said, looking at the data over 10 years is meaningless, you need to go back much further in time to see the overall trend.  Cheers, Paul.

    • Brendan says:

      07:28pm | 16/07/09

      Senator Fielding, your logic is flawed as has been pointed out numerous times in the comments. The analogy most apt seems to be that a cooler than average week in January does not prove that seasonal warming does not exist. Remembering that your graph shows the temperature anomaly (which always stays positive) rather than the temperature so you conclusions from the graph are not supported. Using the anomaly figure seems to have been designed to allow the temperature axis to dip even when the actual temperature is high (but rising less than the previous year).

      It is extremely interesting to note how you portray a complete lack of explanation in your article but many explanations are offered even in the comments on this page. Most rely on nothing more than common sense yet they appear to have never occurred to you. Certainly you have offered no reason for why the short term tend is the only one that is important.

      It seems that you are operating from an assumption that only one factor can cause changes in the temperature and since the short term trend does not appear in your eyes to correlate then CO2 cannot be that factor. The graph you have relied upon is not inconsistent with CO2 as a factor in Global Warming (although it also does not prove it as a factor either).

      The other thing that I found interesting is that you claimed to believe that global warming is occurring but CO2 was not the cause. You claim the graph shows no increase in temperature over the last 15 years. If your claim was true then why would you still believe that Global Warming is real? If the graph shows what you claim then it would mean that Global Warming itself is not occurring rather than CO2 not being the cause.

      It is unfortunate that so many entries on this page contain simple assertions, name calling on both sides and conspiracy accusations. However, many contain useful critical thinking to be carefully considered.

      Senator Fielding, your post indicates that you have not thoroughly thought through this subject. Whatever your conclusion ends up being I would implore you to give the matter significantly more consideration.

    • cohenite says:

      07:34pm | 16/07/09

      The usual suspects denigrating Senator Fielding and parading the usual junk science in support of the delusion of AGW. A new paper by Dr David Stockwell shows that the temperature increase over the 20thC is entirely natural with no AGW imput;

      http://arxiv.org/abs/0907.1650

      The fact is the greenhouse effect on Earth has been running at maximum since the oceans were laid down 600 million or so years ago. This is easily established by checking atmospheric humidity levels from NOAA for the last 50 years and the Optical Density which is the measure of the times a photon is absorbed and reemitted before it leaves the Earth; this has not changed in 50 years; the extra CO2 in the atmosphere, which is predominantly from natural sources in any event, has had no greenhouse effect at all. The ex NASA atmospheric physicist, Miskolczi proved this in his 2007 paper which has never been refuted despite all the flack he has taken.

      AGW has never been about the science; it is a motley collection of lifestyle gurus, anti-capitalists, Malthusian misanthropes and opportunistic spivs wanting to cash in on the gravy train; all led by the UN, that bastion of ethics and competence; when Joe Public wakes up to this con I hope the right people are tarred and feathered.

    • Tony N says:

      07:38pm | 16/07/09

      Steve the probability that we are causing damage to our planet is between zero (impossible) and one (100% certainty). We do not know where. The existence of God is also between zero and one. Why do you accept without empirical data the existence of God, without telling me the Bible says so, yet on something as fundamental as the future of this planet you are prepared to take the risk. We are far (unless you take The Bible literally) from being the most successful species that has ever lived on this Earth. The dinosaurs were around for millions of years longer than us. Do you concede that there is a possiblity, not necessarily probability,  that we may yet be the cause of our own extinction. Btw I am agnostic not atheist because I concede the possiblity, not probability of a supreme being. Those who believe that science is about incontrovertable proof are most likely unaware that no lesser a person than Albert Einstein felt that the chances of man achieving nuclear fission necessary for the building of the atom bomb and also nuclear fusion, the hydogen bomb were next to impossible. I think he said that the chances were about the same as firing a rifle at night somewhere in Germany and hitting a bird. Yet without his famous equation this never would have been done.

    • Mo says:

      07:54pm | 16/07/09

      Oh aren’t we all having fun!  Pushing our own little barrows, airing our knowledge, quoting this report and that. 
      I’d like to hear what Steve has to say about DEMOCRACY.
      The coalition is divided on the issue of climate change.  They have no plan. and can’t agree among themselves.  Steve is trying to have a bit each way. 
      Get off the fence Steve.  Vote with government or the opposition.  Let’s have a double dissolution and find out who the Australian people believe.
      And why all these arguments about terminology -climate change v global warming.  Reminds me of a former Prime Minister who tied himself in semantic knots trying to explain the difference between feeling sorry, saying sorry and doing nothing.

    • Cletus says:

      07:55pm | 16/07/09

      This is tragic.

      As a nation, we should immediately increase our education budget or review our entire school curriculum.

      That a senator can display such an analytical deficit is an embarrassment to our education system.

    • Sid says:

      07:55pm | 16/07/09

      I can’t believe you trained in engineering. You present a graph where the timescale coincides with the hottest years on record and then seem amazed that there may be a fluctuation downward after 1998. Clearly you didn’t look at the trend line over the last 100 years. 

    • Tony N says:

      07:56pm | 16/07/09

      Look, CO2 is only part of the life cycle because plants and trees photosynthesise it. That’s their food,  trees are made of it, wood is captured carbon. But we cannot exist without OXYGEN, that’s what we breathe in and CO2 is what we exhale. Combustion needs oxygen to take place, that is why we have CO2 fire extinguishers, rust is oxidised iron. If you believe that CO2 is the essential gas for life go put your head in an airtight plastic bag. You will achieve two things. The first is your own extinction and second is a reduction in the amount of voodoo science you fill these pages with.

    • ronald reagun says:

      08:08pm | 16/07/09

      Those UCCCHA (Unnatural Climate Change Caused by Human Activity) believers should be supporting a more long term outlook when pushing for an ETS.
      First, rank how Green a country is, by comparing the amount of CO2 they emit on a per square kilometre of the country’s surface area basis. Not on the ridiculous per capita basis.
      Second, completely eliminate all taxpayer funded family support paid by governments. And tell the plebeians “Remember, if you have children you have to look after all of their reasonable needs or else they will be taken from you and adopted out”.
      The colour-blind ones, who call themselves Green (when they are actually red) might be hostile towards these necessary changes. But as Kevin might say,“We have to move forward”.

    • iDragon says:

      09:45pm | 16/07/09

      Steve,
      Well done, keep up with your good work.
      You are an ENGINEER, glad to be your colleague!

    • Bulldust says:

      10:02pm | 16/07/09

      Anyone who is a serious scientist of any pedigree would never talk in terms of absolutes. There is always room for uncertainty and special cases. Every single person in this blog who states one or other side of this argument is absolutely true is well… I shalln’t be rude.

      Yes, I am aware of the irony of my statement.

    • David says:

      10:07pm | 16/07/09

      WOW ! The above comments . some stunning and some stupid . When all things considered , it’s like arguing about religion and there is no scientific basis for that .
      Lighten up you lot and as I said at the beginning ... Google up ‘’ mr pipik global warming ‘’ and have a laugh

    • unrepresentative swill says:

      10:10pm | 16/07/09

      I have a mathematic formula that explains Fielding’s position.
      fundies + feral anti-environmentalist + truck loads of cash from the energy sector = just enough votes for another term for the accidental senator.

    • howard says:

      10:12pm | 16/07/09

      what a lot of religious fervour, and that does not include steve fielding. i don’t care if senator fielding is right or wrong, but surely he is doing his job by raising the issue. this global warming is going to cost us big bucks. big bucks. it will ruin all our indistry and ship if off to china. and all our solar cells will not make one iota of difference. wake up australia.

    • Alan says:

      10:30pm | 16/07/09

      Steve,
      You are one clever bastard.
      You have it figured that you need more than your 15 siblings’ votes next time as Labor won’t repeat that mistake again.
      You are desperate to keep your snout in the trough and you think this is the way obviously.
      ‘god’ I hope you get what you deserve Steve, and it’s not re-election.

    • John Combe says:

      02:51am | 17/07/09

      Paul, Simon Smith and Joel B1, a little more reading would benefit you guys. 10000 BC major sudden rising seas split America from the world and even separated Japan from Korea. Where were the increased greenhouse gasses at that stage that caused this, the carbon emissions that you idiots are willing to pay tax for. Wake up, read more history and see the bigger picture, our presence and our gasses are not going to hinder or excel natures cycles. The earth is a constantly changing planet and has been through many ice ages and raising seas because of temperature fluctuations. The dinosaurs and Neanderthal men at least didn’t pay taxes for a natural catastrophy.

    • Chris says:

      05:59am | 17/07/09

      Sure, 15 years is a very small timescale, but this misses the point. All of the apocalyptic forecasts about global warming depend on computer models of the climate. These models use everything that is known about climate forcings, and then add in ‘greenhouse gasses’ to cover the rest. ALL of the mechanistic climate models predict continuous warming, without any 15 year downswings.
      It is also true that there have been a bunch of warm years recently. That is what you would expect at the top of the curve in a cyclical process, before it starts going down again.
      The models are clearly not a sound enough basis for policy.

    • Charles says:

      08:04am | 17/07/09

      I do find this all very strange. We are running out of oil. The science is pretty clear (carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, burning coal and oil produces it). The proposed solution will create economic activity (we have to build new stuff) and it will result in cleaner cities. The only down side I can see is putting up with this sort rubbish being published.

    • Jeremy says:

      08:08am | 17/07/09

      “The question that concerns me, however,  is what is driving it? “

      God?

      “He was aware of the important role Family First plays in the senate”

      Gold.

    • charles says:

      08:24am | 17/07/09

      To prove your point you picked picked your years rather poorly, 1985 to 1995 would have been a better selection (http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporate/pressoffice/2008/pr20080923c.html). Could you keep engineering out of this, most of us know enough to fit trend lines over representative data sets if we want sensible results so we are not fooled by your nonsense, but obviously there are some with different backgrounds who are.

    • Gassius says:

      08:50am | 17/07/09

      Keep up the good work Steve.  Don’t be discouraged by the welter of criticism of your position.  Most of that criticism, even among some in this forum, is coming from those whose reputations and/or jobs are at risk if they should side with you and most have a vested interest in perpetuating the myth.

    • P Howell says:

      09:00am | 17/07/09

      How many fanatics who have commented on this blog,actualy know anything about the science.To all you warming religious freaks, try reading the ipcc report,NOT the summary.The report clearly states there is no real factual evidence linking man made emissions with climate change.They are relying on computer models,that can’teven get last weeks weather correct.These models have solar activity and atmospheric cloud data taken out as they distort the model from producing the answers they need.This sin’t science, science is not about manipulating FACTS to come up with a biased result.This is about a new religious movement being driven by $$$$ and people making $$$$ (Al Gore for example).Why bankrupt Australia with an illthought out tax for a science that isn’t complete when our biggest customer spews out more carbon in a month than we do in years ?????

    • John says:

      09:37am | 17/07/09

      It’s very encouraging that someone wants to look at the evidence.  The problem for the alarmists is that the cupboard is bare because none of the IPCC, CSIRO, Department of Climate Change or a host of other organisations have any genuine evidence.

      Evidence isn’t opinions and it isn’t correlations and it isn’t the output of computer software that’s incomplete because scientific knowledge hasn’t been able to fill in the gaps.  Irrefutable evidence would involve correlations, good descriptions of all processes (with the mathematics to match) and would be something on which accurate predictions could be confidently made.

      As Steve Fielding has discovered, there is no irrefutable evidence for significant manmade warming and the so-called evidence is incredibly weak.

      P.S.  Fielding’s comments will be noticed right around the world.

    • BlokartBloke says:

      09:54am | 17/07/09

      Blokart Bloke
      Iansand has some very valid views and I applaud his logic. However Steve is not against reducing polution, he is against the forced introduction of a tax on CO2 emissions. We all know where the money will go. Into general revenue.
      We already have the the technology for electric cars, solar and wind power, we should be expanding this technology to clean our air. CO2 is not a pollutant. Its the other stuff that comes out of exhausts and brown coal power stations, CO (carbon monoxide), particulates, sulfur etc. that damage human health, but a tax on carbon dioxide? a red herring. The real question is. Would a carbon tax result in clean air or would it be just another tax that Goverments will come to rely on for their revenue raising. Raising the tax on beer stopped people drinking, tax on tobacco stopped people smoking, the huge tax on petrol stopped people driving and a tax on CO2 brought the Earth’s temperature down

    • Peter says:

      10:58am | 17/07/09

      It is interesting to see the global warming crowd say they cant believe Steve Fielding because he believes in God and if he cant prove the existance of God then why should they believe he can form a judgement of disbelief in global warming.  For example if he cant prove Adam and Eve then he cant be believed.  However these same people believe Rudd on global warming and he too is a Christian and none of you are saying that he needs to prove Adam and Eve.  Your inconsistancies in this is staggering and just goes to prove that you will also overlook inconsistancies in the science that is now being worshipped around the world.

    • Damien says:

      11:05am | 17/07/09

      Ahh! that great Australian sport of “playing the man - not the ball” prevails. It is the sport with the highest participation in this country. Haven’t you people got any REAL scientific argument?
          Please my fellow Australians, show a bit of courage, question the “science” produced by both sides of the argument. Dont take the easy cowards approach because you will eventually proved wrong.
          Climate change is occuring, that is fact. What is causing it to change is not truly known, that is is also a fact. Too lay the blame on one particular cause is very naive and ranks will the “sky is falling” responce.
          There are a multitude of influences that cause variation to tempurate, volcanic activity, variations in the earths orbit around the sun, ocean bed volcanic activity, causing realative hot spots in the oceans, to name a few.
          Remember, not to long ago the population of the world believed that the world was flat. It took a few brave men, pillory by sociaty, some time to prove the opposite. Go for it Steve!
         

          .

    • ivy says:

      11:35am | 17/07/09

      For the last 200 years humans have been cutting down trees that absorb carbon dioxide and create oxygen for life to exist. At the same time the world human and domestic animal population has increased dramatically.
      We, humans, are causing vast changes on earth.

      The pollution from these activities can be seen all over our world. It settles everywhere in the cities, and even in more rural areas darkens white furniture, fly screens and causes health problems.

      The cost to change from using fossil fuels will not be as great to each of us as the scare mongers predict and will result in a healthier planet.

      Australia can benefit by selling renewable energy technologies to poorer countries to help them reduce their pollution and hence their influence on global warming.

    • phil kyson says:

      11:53am | 17/07/09

      Fundamentalist Christians (or any fundamentalist religous nonthinkers for that matter) uses the same nonlogic in their religous beliefs as with climate change. Herein lies the problem, science has so shattered much of their core beliefs that the only thing they have left is a niave blind faith, which is reflected in their ignorant world view, God help us all! Where’s that education revolution Rudd?

    • TONY N says:

      12:01pm | 17/07/09

      P Howell, last weeks’s and next week’s temperature is meteorology not climatology.

    • Greg says:

      12:12pm | 17/07/09

      Well done Steve. It is good to see someone in the Senate is actually doing what they should. If you cannot be convinced that CO2 is really behind global warming then you should vote against an ETS. I wonder how many other Senators have got off their behinds and put in the effort you have on the subject. Nobody should be knocking you, they should be knocking the Senate slackers who just vote blindly or simply along party lines.

    • PaulC says:

      12:19pm | 17/07/09

      Hmmm! the first thing I have noticed with your example is the data, you have taken this start point from a climatic anomoly of extreme high temperature which all scientists agree was an anomoly but what about the trend line over a longer period say 100 years and filtering the anomolies in other words the median temperature over a much longer period, it is easy to interpret data anyway you like with the right set of figures. From what I have seen and heard there is a lot of grandstanding with a lot of poeple who believe they are more intelligent than one another. But my question is quite simple do we really want to be breathing this air in the first place? forget global warming, forget climate change which is real and just ask yourself is all this worthwhile to breath fresh air, surely that is the fundamental here, how much polluted air can humans tolerate.

    • Peter says:

      12:23pm | 17/07/09

      Phil Kyson 10:53
      The problem you need to address it that lots of believers in global warming are christians too (and muslims and buhdists etc).  Rudd is a Catholic and they believe in God, the immaculate conception etc.  If believing in God disqualifies Steve Fielding it must also disqualify Rudd and all the supporters of global warming that follow any of the many religions of the world.

    • Mark Pollock says:

      02:26pm | 17/07/09

      Well done Senator, keep asking the hard questions. That’s what you’re paid for. I note that the majority of objections seem to think that you are denying that the climate is changing. All the evidence that I have seen suggests that the world has been gradually heating up since the mid to late 1700s and the recent increases in temparature are perfectly in line with this long term, pre Carbon economy trend.

    • Troy says:

      02:36pm | 17/07/09

      Everyone here on this blog that is Criticizing the use of the Senators graph for being over such a short period of time, and insist that he should be taking a graph of a much longer period like 100 years of 150 years. I would like these people to look at the graphs over a much longer period of time, say 150 million years even better look at them over 300 million years. Then see what your magical graphs show. If you want a hint, they show the earths temperature rises and falls to much higher degrees that we have experienced in the last 150 years. It also shows CO2 levels during the last ice age were 10 times higher than they are today. With the total of the earth’s atmosphere co2 levels today, Humans only contribute .001%.You would have to stupid to believe that Human could possibly be responsible for Global Warming (now climate change). I know most of the left wing greenies don’t want to believe that there beloved prophet Al Gore is wrong, and his movie the “Inconvenient Truth” was more about making mega dollars than it was about saving the planet, and they also refuse to believe that almost all of that movie was proven a LIE, and that all the computer models that they use to prove the dooms day predictions have been proven false. Also the fact the earth has failed to warm anymore since 1998, but they will continue to believe that Humans are destroying the earth, regardless that most scientist in the world now believe that Global Warming (climate change) is a dude.

    • phil kyson says:

      02:39pm | 17/07/09

      Peter 11.23
      Belief in a God doesn’t make you a fundamentalist.
      It’s the suspension of scientific evidence for righteous beliefs that makes you a fundamentalist. Even if climate change is a ferfy the sooner we start taxing carbon and the quicker we move to sustainable energy the longer we will live on this planet, second cooming or not!

    • Marcus says:

      04:13pm | 17/07/09

      David of Elwood, if you’re familiar with Milankovitch cycles, then you’d be familiar with the fact the last change in the Earth’s orbit is the one which brought us out of the last Ice Age (approx. 30,000 years ago). Since these cycles work on roughly 100,000 year time scales, it is readily apparent that we’re not due for another orbital shift for about 70,000 years (which will actually *cool*) the planet.

    • Murf Oscar says:

      04:16pm | 17/07/09

      Al Gore ran away! Simple as that, and we all know why. Sen Fielding is asking the right questions for which Al doesn’t have any answers!  As for the criticism coming your way here Steve, there’s a strong whiff of a highly coordinated attack response by the manipulating climate change carpetbaggers some of whom I suspect work for Penny Wong and/or the Greens.  The good news is the world is cooling, the ice at the poles is increasing, polar bear numbers are increasing, the oceans aren’t rising, scientists who previously supported global warming are having second thoughts if not rejecting outright their previous positions, and the silent majority are waking up to the scam. Tough luck AGW’ers, the gravy train is coming to a halt.

    • Marcus says:

      04:27pm | 17/07/09

      Another point, David of Elwood, is that if you look at Sunspot number, you see they steadily rise between 1890-1950, you see a rise in sunspot numbers from 75 to 250, which explains the 0.08 degrees per decade warming measured during that time. Then, from 1950-2009, sunspot numbers drop to between 100-150, yet global temperatures continued to rise-only at a rate of 0.11 degrees per decade. This suggests a decoupling of climate variability & solar activity, something already suggested in papers like those of Lockwood & Frohlich-as just an example.

    • Marcus says:

      04:30pm | 17/07/09

      Oh, sorry David, but the warming trend for 1890-1950 was actually only 0.06 degrees per decade, about half that seen between 1950-2008. So my point still stands, in spite of a drop in average sunspot numbers between the 1st & 2nd half of the 20th century, global temperatures actually rose at a *faster* rate in the latter half of the century. So, if the sun is not to blame, then what could be causing it? Over to you David.

    • Tony N says:

      04:36pm | 17/07/09

      Don’t worry about Carbon Dioxide,  Dihydrogen Monoxide is the one you have got to watch out for, especially if you are totally surrounded by it.

    • Peter says:

      05:43pm | 17/07/09

      Everyone talks about CO2 emissions, but what about CO2 absorption?
      I want to see a graph of atmospheric CO2 concentration versus area lost to deforestation.
      If you’ve got less capacity to remove CO2 (i.e. TREES) then the concentration will go up!
      Reduce CO2…plant more trees!

    • Lincoln K says:

      08:28pm | 17/07/09

      Well after reading all the comments here and all the hype on TV and Radio Internet etc, it’s very obvious that no one really knows for sure. So why should we jump the gun and wreck our economy, industry etc before we truely know. It’s like saying there is a God and someone saying no there isn’t a God. The truth is no one knows if there is a god or not. But at least whether you believe in God or not it doesn’t affect anyone else but yourself and your belief. But with climate change and the changes the government are planning will affect all of us. So until there is more proof and all questions are answered than don’t ruin this great prosperous country we live in. Fielding you keep asking the questions! Tell the Governmnet you want answers and stick to your guns mate. Because this is starting to look like someone (Rudd) has more than the well being of our economy etc at heart. It is increasingly looking like his own self interest is his priority. Maybe he is more interested in having his efforts on climate change to be added to his resume for a job with the UN after he is finished being PM

    • Glen - Sydney says:

      09:18pm | 17/07/09

      Finished reading Heaven + Earth (Ian Plimer - ConnorCourt Publishing) yesterday. If the graph from Fielding doesn’t convince you try reading a well presented (if a technical) argument. In particular the distortion in the IPCC reports along with the media bias and long term historical trends that make a mockery of the warming debate. I am now a cynic.

    • Wilson says:

      09:59pm | 17/07/09

      I’m sure we’re not going to burn up melt and drown in the next 10 years, so what’s the urgent rush, by August .LOL
      Very important for who I wonder? We need more facts first.
      “Chill” out everybody!

    • Mike N.Vyromentalist says:

      12:13am | 18/07/09

      Thank God for senator Fielding ,an HONEST attempt to get the truth,and Barnaby Joyce( who sees that those behind carbon trading etc. are all about money,and these groups are embarking on their message of climate change with a zeal that would do Goebells and Billy Graham proud.
      They will put you down as ignorant sceptics if you question the facts as they state them.
      At a recent Senate commitee hearing a spokesman for “The Climate Institute” when questioned, assumed a Moses like stance and reacted as if God himself had given him the word on climate change ,and should not be questioned.The Greens mainly a bunch of decent but naive people think closing the coal industry would be the best thing since sliced bread,of course most of them are protected in government jobs and would not personally suffer.
      It has been claimed that Al Gore’s personal wealth has increased by 5000% since he jumped on the climate band waggon.
      I think a little forensic digging would be in order to expose those behind the climate institute and similar outfits,are they really interested in protecting the world or is there something more sinister behind them?they certainly can’t claim to have all the experts.
      Personally I hope they would all go to China and try to do something there,but I suspect they would all finish up in the Shanghai Lunatic Asylum,wishfull thinking of course.

    • Pat says:

      03:11am | 18/07/09

      I am a little concerned that you came out of an hour and a half chat will Will Steffen ‘none the wiser’
      I have heard Prof. Steffen (and many other academics from the ANU) talk extensively on Climate Change and found them most informative and backed up by solid science. Even if you do not agree with every detail, to say you learned nothing is a bit of a stretch.

    • Peter Y says:

      07:39am | 18/07/09

      Howard was right on one thing NUCLEAR POWER. That is forward thinking. We have plenty of uranium. We do need to do something about CO2 emissions but lets not destroy our country with this backward thinking of CPRS.

    • Pete Ridley says:

      08:55am | 18/07/09

      Senator Fielding is absolutely right to challenge this politically motivated drive to unnecessarily reduce our use of fossil fuels. CO2 is NOT a polutant, it is a life-supporting substance as essential as water. If you wish to better understand the facts behind the “significant human-made global climate change ” propaganda go to Senator Fielding’s blog and read it carefully.

      Best regards, Pete Ridley, human-made global climate change agnostic.

    • John D says:

      11:42am | 18/07/09

      Don’t let this go through Fielding, you have the majority of Australia behind you on this. It is too soon to be making such an IMPORTANT decision that will effect all Australians! They continually call Turnbull arrogant in the media, Rudd makes him look like Mother Theresa the way is is jumping the gun here! Rudd seems to think Australia will let him do what ever he wants, because of his so called popularity. Thank God for Fielding! Stop this arrogant, self obsessed, grandstanding phoney before he ruins our country!

    • Chris says:

      02:53pm | 18/07/09

      So at last: we get to the root of the issue: Al Gore wouldn’t return your phone calls. Grab a bottle of Wild Turkey, listen to Jeff Buckley, have a big cry and then move on FFS. And if you ever decide to embark on the same noble quest for, say, gun control, try not to spend too much time with the NRA.

    • Vote Quimby says:

      06:11pm | 18/07/09

      “Brett says:

      Senator Fielding. Your party is called Family First., but you seem prepared to put future generations - i.e. your kids and mine and their kids - at risk because you’ve decided to swim against the scientific tide. Even if global warming is not man made, pollution clearly isn’t good for us - and that’s reason enough for us to reduce our carbon emissions. “

      This whole argument is about it being man made global warming, and you bring in the pollution crap?? sure pollution isn’t good, but it won’t be life destroying or economical destroying as this so called scheme the government want to bring in, and that Senator Fielding should rightly vote against.

    • Vote Quimby says:

      06:16pm | 18/07/09

      “iansand says:

      There are a few things that seem to be incontrovertible.  One of them is that temperature (over a scale longer than 13 years is rising.)  So we look at cause.

      A few other things are incontrovertible.

      1.  Carbon Dioxide is a greenhouse gas.  This is undeniable physics.

      2.  Carbon dioxide is a product of combustion of carbon.  This is undeniable chemistry.

      3.  There are vast deposits of carbon sequestrated underground that have been there for over 50 million years.

      4.  Over the last couple of centuries we have been digging up that buried carbon and burning it, producing carbon dioxide (see point 2).

      Thus, we have been introducing a greenhouse gas into the atmosphere.

      This bit will surprise you.  I, and reputable scientists, cannot say with an appropriate level of scientific certainty whether or not the carbon dioxide produced is responsible for all, or some, global warming.  Why?  Because we do not have a spare Earth to act as a control.  There will always be doubt.  Unfortunately sceptics seize on proper expressions of doubt to bamboozle the credulous (that would be you, Senator Fielding).  On one hand we have responsible doubt.  On the other hand we have mercenary charlatans doing the bidding of their funders by sowing confusion.

      So what to do?  It seems to me that the downside of ignoring the possibility of anthropic climate change is potentially catastrophic disruption to our society, not the Earth.  The sceptics are perfectly correct in saying that changes on this scale have happened before.  However, those changes occurred on a different Earth.  Species migrated or died out and others evolved.  In the case of the last ice age humans adapted and migrated.  This time we have occupied a greater area of the world and there are more of us.  We cannot deal with the change by a simple migration.  When people try to migrate they will be resisted.  We call these wars. That is why I say that climate change will potentially disrupt our society, not the world.

      If we do try to do something what are the downsides?  A few bucks expended.  People employed in different jobs.  The upsides?  Cleaner air.  More efficient industry (efficiency gains are the cheapest and fastest way of reducing emissions).  We will start the process of ending out reliance on fossil fuels and extend their availability for uses where there is no current replacement. (they will run out, whether in 20, 200 or 2,000 years), ”

      If you were a real scientist, you would know that CO2 is vital for plant life to grow, so how can that possibly be bad for the world?? what is wrong with the morons in this world that all of a sudden make CO2 such an evil thing, If we reduce CO2, we reduce the amount of vegetation on the planet, which reduces the amount of oxygen put back into the atmosphere. Less plant life will also mean less food for an expanding global population, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to realise this, I’m tired of CO2 getting such a bad reputation, when if it wasn’t for CO2 in the first place we wouldn’t be here!

    • Jason says:

      09:33pm | 18/07/09

      Climate change alarmists claim this sample period is too short but refuse to expand the sample length long enough to see the obvious cycle. (ie ice core data).  It’s been hotter on earth several times before, and we weren’t here burning coal to make it happen.  Climate change science is yet to explain why it’s been hotter on earth during the middle ages if there was no industry.

      Seems to me, whenever a valid CC question is raised, things get personal, loud claims that the “science is in” are made, but no empirical evidence yet, just old computer models.  shrug…prove your theory with evidence?

    • MarkL says:

      11:10pm | 18/07/09

      What is noticeable in these comments is two trends. The first is the relentlessly abusive ad hominems of the reactionary greengaia pseudo-religious dogmatists.

      The second is that the sceptics are generally ‘good on you for standing up to the thundering herd of AGW illiterates’.

      BTW, I’m with the sceptics, and with good reason.

      You see, if there is a causal link between CO2 concentrations and global temperature, than I have a standard question to pose to the reactionary, consensus-herd psuedo-religious dogmatists of the greengaia cults:

        During the Ordovician-Silurian (450-420mya) and Jurassic-Cretaceous (151-132mya), global glaciations occurred when atmospheric CO2 levels were over 4000ppmv and 2000ppmv respectively. (Ref: Berner, RA and Kothavala, Z., 2001, GeoCarbIII: A Revised Model of Atmospheric CO2 over Phanerozoic Time, American Journal of Science 301, 182-204.)
        Today it is below 400ppmv.

        How and why did this occur, when the computer models you believe in assure us that over circa 450ppmv we will have runaway greenhouse, something which is completely unrepresented in the global geological record of the last 3800 million years? (which, BTW, is prior to the development of an O2-rich atmosphere)

      I have never had a greengai cultic dogmatist or other Bedwetter of the Apocalypse even attempt to answer this. It’s because they can’t.

      MarkL
      Canberra

    • Plas says:

      07:13am | 19/07/09

      With all due respect to some of the earlier posters, the statements like “all of the warmest years that ever happened occurred in the last 14 years” and similar statements are pure bunk. First of all, the satellite measured temperature data does not support that, the ground station data is suspect, the 1930s kicked the 1990 temperatures butts, Hansan at NASA has been cooking the books, and, oh yes, hundreds of years ago, Greenland was, well, green. Many hundreds of years ago, the planet baked, many thousands of years ago the CO2 was much higher than today - during an ice age. try doing some science instaed of spouting politics. Check out http://www.icecap.us

      Oh, by the way, I consider myself an environmentalist. I don’t oppose alternative fuels, or cleaning up the planet - just don’t use junk science as an excuse to raise taxes or control people.

    • Thebaldone says:

      09:14am | 19/07/09

      Reply to Brian
      Let’s use your logic (sic) Brian.
      Show me graphs from….let’s say the Jurassic period. Is there a correlation there between climate and carbon?
      Oh…...you don’t have records going back that far! By the way you are talking, I thought you had all the conclusive evidence you needed to be an authority on this subject…I was wrong!
      To berate someone based on a miniscule period of 150 years in the scheme of the earth’s life is only something a fool would do…you are a fool.

    • Hash says:

      10:32am | 19/07/09

      For any of you who consider Steve Fielding wrong - I urge you to read the book - The Deniers - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Deniers

      For the record I am an Atheist. I have never before agreed with Steve Fielding on any issue but he has my support on this issue. This is not a religious issue and attacking Steve Fielding for his beliefs is unhelpful at best.

      Global Warming / Environment Change is now high profile because there is money in it (for business, carbon credits and compliant scientists) and popularity votes in it for politicians who generally think no further ahead than the next election. See this issue for what it is and not what you are being force fed. Any reasoning person knows we have to use less of the Earth’s resources to survive but climate change is a natural occurrence. My main concern is that while we are marching down the path of CO2 caused climate change we are missing the opportunity to prepare as best we can to deal with the reality of climate change.

      Read The Deniers – inform yourself.

      “The Deniers: The world-renowned scientists who stood up against global warming hysteria, political persecution, and fraud is a book by Lawrence Solomon, a Canadian writer and columnist for the National Post, a newspaper based in Ontario. In this book, based on a series of columns titled “The Deniers”, Solomon draws attention to a number of scientists and other individuals whom he considers to have advanced arguments against what he defines as the “alarmist” view of global warming, as presented by Al Gore, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the mainstream media and other organizations and individuals.”

    • miantiao says:

      10:41am | 19/07/09

      Its all too late Steve. The masses have been brainwashed,the major party members have stepped in line to gain their vote. Wo and behold to anyone that questions the now accepted wisdom. Or should that be para-scientific dogma? or just plain claptrap.

      Proponants of the traditional scientific method have in the past decade produced empirical research data that compromises the many theories and modelling projects of the ‘subjective science group’.

      Oh, and Mr Fielding, a graph showing average annual global temperatures as opposed to CO2 levels in the atmosphere between 1940 and 1978 would further illustrate the falsity of CO2 driven climate change. Recent empirical research reveals without a shadow of a doubt that in fact CO2 levels in the atmosphere rise as a result of global warming, not the other way round which Mr Gore would love to have everyone believe. He’s a smart guy, an ex-vice president of the US, not easily fooled, and politically adept. I was shocked and concerned by his movie, until I decided to do my own research. Then I began to ponder over Mr Gore’s motives.

      I just feel very badly for the millions in the third world without power to cook, or for warmth. We are not talking about power for tvs, desktops, and stereos here. All denied to them by those that seek to deny the third world a cheap source of power generation that could increase the well-being of millions and go a long way to improving the economies of such nations, which would benefit the rest of the world through an increase in world trade values. A cheap and reliable source of power would also enable third world nations to begin thinking about developing their own natural resources, instead of paying richer, technologically advanced nations huge sums
      to exploit and profit from them.

      The Green movement (in cahoots at times with anti-globalisation groups) would have us all live like ferals in one big happy commune - that’s after their malthusian tendencies have seen to the eradication of ‘excess’ human population, probably those poor third world buggers still waiting for a solar panel to be installed on the roofs of their mud-grass huts.

    • davidc says:

      12:19pm | 19/07/09

      “1.  Carbon Dioxide is a greenhouse gas.  This is undeniable physics. ” Yes, but a minor one. The computer models the IPCC relies on require a positive feedback effect from water vapour which is certainly not “undeniable physics”.

    • Norm Purcival says:

      12:40pm | 19/07/09

      Your comment: Good on you Senator Fielding, and I use the formal address becaue you deserve the respect.
      I am an engineer with strong maths and physics. I have done the maths. There is no way that the insignificant efforts of man living their daily lives can have the impact on the earth that these arrogant “scientists” ascribe to them if you compare it to the impact of the sun and it’s varying input into earth’s system.
      In the period that the earth has risen by 4 degrees C, Mars has risen by 6 degrees C. because of an increase in insolation ( the term for energy coming from the sun). Our atmosphere has done what it should and moderated the change, which should have been more given that we are closr to the sun than Mars!
      I agree with some of the pundits that you are fighting an uphill battle because the great unwashed Australian public believe whatever popular bull they are fed without critical thought. That option would require effort. You are also up against self-preserving politicians who knee-jerk react to the squalling media rather than seek truth before making decisions.
      Keep up the good work, even if you are martyred, you will have spoken the truth.

    • Scoogsy says:

      01:10pm | 19/07/09

      Senator Fielding - wolf in sheeps clothing

    • Dan says:

      01:27pm | 19/07/09

      Good work Steve, you have my Family’s vote from now on (ex Labor voter for 20 years), you listen to both sides of the story and are honest enough to ask questions in the face of personal attack. Our family is in real trouble of losing a beach front property we purchased in country Victoria to build a holiday home on, because in 100 years, “Due to Climate Change”, apparently the sea levels will rise by 1 metre and it will be under water. This dribble in the media has immediate effects on average working class family’s, if the local council follows the Victorian State Government, we will be bankrupted, our investment property is worth nothing to anyone if it can’t be built on.
      I am obviously extremely relieved that someone in any sort of power has finally started asking questions, and we may avoid this ridiculous new tax, our family’s financial ruin and our governments stop being intimidated by the Green movement.
      The Victorian Governments policy on “Climate Change” is already in place, if I and others are restricted from building on our blocks, many thousands of class action law suits will be launched, and ultimately, if the science does prove to be bogus, as I expect it will. It may be the governments and the political party’s that have conned us on this issue that experience the financial ruin.

    • David of Elwood says:

      01:50pm | 19/07/09

      Marcus. How off topic do you want to get? The question is cause…show me the proof that CO2 is the cause. That is all I ask. That is all the senator is asking. The fact that you have to correct you own statistics or distract thought with a few irrelevant items is as alarming as Al Gore.
      All I am asking of the government, of the IPCC, and now of you, is that you show me proof that CO2 is the cause of climate change. Nothing more, nothing less. Eliminating other causes is not proof of anything.

      And for others on the site still quoting the IPCC…do you not think it’s interesting, if not misleading, that their own temperature graphs stop reporting global temperatures post 1998? Convenient?

    • David of Elwood says:

      02:23pm | 19/07/09

      Specifically, what is with the sea level rises on these graphs? Just a red line with no measurements? Is that more computer modelling?

      I’ve just returned from a trip to Panama, which I understand was completely under water 300 million years ago. What caused the sea levels to drop? A prehistoric ETS perhaps?

    • Jeremy Nolan says:

      03:21pm | 19/07/09

      To just get away from the subject a bit here.
      I question Rudds motives behind being in such a “Hurry” to get this through before he gets to Copenhagen. Other leaders seem to be taking a more cautious approach. Why not Rudd?
      He is increasingly being a show pony on the world stage, and he’s “RUSHING”  into this to be the “FIRST” Leader to “STAND OUT” in the pack and get a round of aplause from the world.
      He will stop at nothing to be noticed around the world and at home.
      I’d be very cautious about ANY decision he makes.
      Country first Mr Rudd or is it YOU first?????
      This guy is quite dangerous, be warned!

    • David of Mansfield, Brisbane says:

      09:04am | 20/07/09

      I’m still waiting for the scaremongers to tell us what caused the sea to rise when Australia became an island. We assume that the air temperature became warmer, but what caused that?

    • Neville says:

      11:16am | 20/07/09

      Is this an ALP website!

    • Stuart says:

      03:02pm | 20/07/09

      Well done Steve! It is about time someone promoted ‘real’ science. Perhaps now we may even get back to ‘real’ science being taught in schools instead of the sanitized left wing dogma currently promoted by Arts graduates.

    • Steve says:

      05:24pm | 20/07/09

      Sceptical Senator Fielding,
      Has a neat graph that he’s wielding.
      And while the planet is stuffed,
      The Senator’s chuffed,
      At the great public profile it is yielding.

    • Dave says:

      05:44pm | 20/07/09

      Boy there are so many stupid people on here. So many people deeply rooted into their set way of thinking without even harbouring the possibility that they might be wrong. You can have your opinion…that’s perfectly fine….but at least be willing to accept an alternate possibility. There are none so blind than those who refuse to see….and none so deaf as those who refuse to listen. Be flexable on the global warming issue. Research, observe, gather data and THEN make your opinion…but be willing to accepth that you may have interpreted the information incorrectly.

    • Luke says:

      06:09pm | 20/07/09

      Climate change is NOT Happening if you want to see what is really going on and yes AL Gore features in this youtube Endgame and watch every single part of the doco

    • Phil says:

      06:46pm | 20/07/09

      You should see his graph proving the existence of God.

      Priceless.

    • Mathew says:

      10:23pm | 20/07/09

      Global warming will go down as one of the biggest hoaxes brought on by money grabbing global activist.

      For once Fielding has done a good thing and questioned the apocalyptic world warming hysteria built up in the media. News outlets are the worst places to learn of new scientific discoveries, for unfortunately they alter and shift A correlating with B into whatever news worthy story that they think people wish to hear. In this case unsurprisingly ‘we are all going to die’.

    • Hopium says:

      11:21am | 22/07/09

      It’s not just climate change (global warming is a misnomer) but…

      What is all that carbon pollution doing to our health? People whinge about being near smoke stacks or the vents from underground transport tunnels. Smog is just awful. If carbon emissions are not that bad, maybe I can suggest the Senator live in Beijing? No? Ok then.

      So getting rid of emissions might not only be good for the planet (I am stressing MIGHT here, even though I do believe it is a major contributing factor), but for us too! If you really do want to put Family First, prevent pollution-induced diseases in our kids!

    • Isabel says:

      01:19pm | 22/07/09

      I once had an anaesthetic-derived delusion that I would live long enough to witness the end of the world. I recall feeling honoured that this would be so. Rationally, I will live long enough to see the end of my personal world. Now I begin to wonder whether that which I believed to be a delusion might just be a glimpse into the future? Born in 1939, I will be happy to be wrong.

    • Patrick says:

      05:24pm | 22/07/09

      I dont know if it’s already been pointed out in the comments, but does anybody else find it ironic that Fielding questions climate change because he doesn’t have enough evidence, but is also a creationist who believes the Earth was created in 7 days based on nothing but faith, and represents a fundamentalist christian political party that has expressed support for the teaching of intelligent design?

    • Laurie says:

      06:41pm | 22/07/09

      I have no idea what this argument is about other than some people saying that we are warming the world and we should do something about.
      All my life I have had people say to me Dont give me problems, give me solutions. Surely the government can be more explicit with its problem/solution issues. ETF’s and alternate power (whatever that is) is wishful thinking. Explain please.

    • Leigh says:

      07:00pm | 22/07/09

      It amazes me to see how readily so-called scientists will ditch the scientific method to get on the gravy train of research grants into the latest fear mongering.  A theory is constructed based on available data that suggests there may be a relationship between industrial greenhouse gas emissions and a rise in atmospheric temperature.  From that an extrapolation is made way past the predictability of any model and a nightmare scenario constructed.  Because the prediction is so dire, we now ditch the scientific method and it becomes fact and the onus is now on the nay sayers to prove the theory wrong. 

      Well maybe I could construct a loosely logical argument that aliens are going to invade some time in the next century.  To prove me wrong you would have to search the universe to find any other intelligent lifeforms and determine whether they are likely to invade.  In the meantime we should commit a perfectly reasonable proportion of GDP on building alien defences.  A ludicrous scenario, which is why the scientific method should be adhered to, even in the face of so called catastrophy.

      The problems with the anthropogenic greenhouse gas causing global warming theory include:
      1. The science is not settled.  If it was there would be one model that we could test against future observations.  If I hold out a rock and let go of it I only need one model (within the realms of classical mechanics) to tell me which direction it will go.  Yet we currently have a preponderance of models on what will happen with temperature variation.  Where is THE model that explains the theory and provides predictions we can test aganst?
      2. Alternative explanations have not been successfully eliminated.  The role of water vapour, cloud formation, undersea volcanos etc cannot be eliminated as causes because there is not enough information about them.  Yet they are significant enough factors to be the cause of the climate change we are observing.

      It’s the weakness of the climate science that causes me to be skeptical, and I’ll put my faith in the scientific method over an under-tested theory.

    • Jeremy says:

      07:52pm | 22/07/09

      Please, Steve, it is embarrassing to watch you make a fool of yourself over and over again…do you have no self respect man?

      How can anyone take your questions seriously when you use that graph as evidence? Primary school children could blow holes in you argument in an instant.

      I can only assume that you like to play the fool, that the humiliation you put yourself though is a publicity tactic. It would be a humorous, if pitiful, distraction to the everyday political grind were it not for the fact that you hold a very influential position in the senate. As such it is more than that, it is a degrading, unedifying performance.

    • Anna-Marie says:

      11:05am | 23/07/09

      Goodness me, the god-fearing, holier than thou Senator Fielding, is being a DEVIL’S advocate!

    • lionel king says:

      03:21pm | 23/07/09

      there are more science and info on your side steve but in th west we are trained to accept lies
      thank you Steve

    • trevor says:

      05:52pm | 23/07/09

      Giles, in the middle of Australia, has had temperature measurements over a long period of time and shows no increase in temperatures——there is no land clearing, industry ,just scrub which causes the temperature to vary after their unpredictable rainfall———-so why has that recording station shown no climate change??????????

    • Susan says:

      01:34am | 24/07/09

      Go Steve Fielding.  it’s inspring to finaly see a real political and scientific argument instead of all the tax driven spin we’ve been fed for far too many years.  Once the carbon cap and trade scheme is set, and we find out the climate change is NOT carbon driven, are they going to remove the taxes? I dont think so.  How about we start doing something about creating renewable energy in Australia, like we should have been doing for the last 20 years.  Oh, I forgot.  We’ve got billions of dollars of uranium to mine and export.  We wouldnt like to look like hypocrites now, would we?

    • Mark M Aldridge Independent says:

      11:38am | 27/07/09

      Being an independent and a past spokesperson for a minor party, I to have spend years studying climate change and the drivers of such, and I agree with Steve, the scientific justification of carbon trading is very weak. Even if one believes that co2 is driving climate change the modelling behind carbon trading is still not the answer. those rewarded by the proposed scheme are those who are the largest abusers of it? Do not confuse co2 with pollution, co2 is a natural gas that is one of the main foods for our plant life, if we cast our minds back to the days of the wine drinking Vikings, who grew grapes in Iceland….....? I commend senator Fielding for investigating the issues and coming to his own beliefs, for that is democracy, he has the balls to confirm not only his position but how he came to having it, and we the people can decide whether or not to support him. Democracy is the corner stone of society, and when choosing our representation, it is healthy to know who and what our representatives believe in, rather than the spin we are used to.

    • Arthur Chesterfield-Evans says:

      03:33pm | 27/07/09

      It’s like this, Steve.  It’s not as simple as getting two graphs and putting them together.  How much a graph rises depends on what scale you use.  If a variable like temperature goes up and down, you may need a longer period to show a trend.  This is pretty elementary science, but if you do not have a science background, it needs to be stated.
      If your problem is explaining this graph, then I can help, as above.  The issue is more complicated than just this graph, and other gases are more potent than carbon dioxide, but I put it to you that if you consider how much methane and carbon dioxide are produced, and how much forest and vegetation are chopped down.  It seems to name that it would be nothing short of remarkable if this much change could happen, using oil reserves that have taken few millennia to producer in a century, and chewing through coal reserves at a great rate.  It is hared to believe that this would have no effect.  When you drive through a huge city and for miles there are cars and factories belching out smoke, and not a tree or anything absorbing carbon dioxide to be seen, I really cannot see how one can be surprised.  But noting how the tobacco industry lied for 60 years, why would the carbon burning industry do anything different?  You may also ask why they do not simply subsidise renewable energy, rather than have a ‘carbon trading scheme’ which allows polluters to have a ‘market’ and get ‘credits’ when they do improvements that they should be doing anyway.  The coal industry gets a huge subsidy on ports and infrastructure, and does not have toe pay the full cost of the environmental damage it does in either the mining or burning of its product.  Yet it is said to be ‘cheaper’ than renewables.  No wonder@!  Let’s stop subsidising them and make them meet their real costs, and give a subsidy to households that produce renewable energy rather than to big corporations that don’t.  Perhaps you could be useful in this area.
      Cheers

    • Rob says:

      03:56pm | 28/07/09

      There’s a lot of sad people on this page attacking Steve for talking about this one graph.  There are lots of graphs over all sorts of time scales that just as clearly demonstrate that lack of causal correlation between atmospheric CO2 and temperature.  If this graph was the only evidence against AGW these people might have a point; but it’s not and it is happening right now (i.e. more CO2 does not equal greater temperature).

      Of course the believers talk about natural variability, to which sceptics answer “exactly!”

      The believers say, “well, if everything else (e.g. the sun and the ocean currents) was unchanging, then CO2 would have a measurable effect”.  Well yes, maybe it would, but these other factors change continuously and the CO2 effect is lost in the rounding.

    • Rob says:

      04:06pm | 28/07/09

      And don’t get me started on all these fence sitters who claim that there must me a middle ground. Like climate change must be only kind of true so we should kind of do something just in case.

      There is no actual evidence that measurable AGW is true and plenty that it is not.  Therefore, there is no reason to suggest that there must be a middle point that represents the truth.  This is science not politics (at least it should be).

    • Woja says:

      05:08pm | 28/07/09

      I found this to be particularly interesting:
      This guy has been so badly misrepresented by the Australian Media and particularly by the Prime Minister and Senator Penny Wong who changes her weak mind on the reasons for climate change daily.
      Also why did Al Gore bare faced lie when interviewed on the ABC when he said that he had met with Senator Steve Fielding when he had after some time seeking him out initially, later on avoided his meeting like the plague. (Secret deal with new best buddy 2face KRudd)?
      What is the truth. Why is there climate change and what actually are the effects now and into the future.
      Answer = No one actually knows.
      No one knows and the KRudd government wants to impose new taxes on us all without an ACTUAL / FACTUAL reason!
      You have to take your hat off to Senator Steve Fielding for going to the trouble of actually knowing exactly why he will vote against legislation.
      Of course, if you are a Labor party politician there is no need or reason to find out the truth because you MUST vote along party lines. Otherwise you will get summarily chucked out of the Labor Party.  Party lines are those decisions made by the trade unions and left wing pseudo-intelligencia who actually put together Labor party policy. Rather that is, than the elected MP’s and Senators who are just there to get other peoples laws through Parliament regardless. (Rather like puppets I guess you could well say).

    • Matthew Yates says:

      04:10pm | 29/07/09

      “I had never really looked at the science and just assumed what was reported in the media to be true.”

      Don’t you just LOVE the quality of our Senators?

    • Ford Prefect says:

      05:09pm | 29/07/09

      Don’t panic!!

      Steve I would advise another self-funded trip.  However it will take some time as you would need to build a spaceship (the name Heart of Gold would be appropriate). 

      Then embark on a quest to find the legendary planet of Magrathea and the Question to the Ultimate Answer. On the way please stop at the now-collapsed planet-building industry, and meet Slartibartfast, a planetary coastline designer who was responsible for the fjords of Norway and commission another Earth (or maybe two) so controlled experiments can be carried out to determine the truth.

      Of course you could go to the nearest pet store and purchase two white mice.

    • Ness says:

      05:44pm | 29/07/09

      First it was labelled as “The Greenhouse Effect” , then it was called “Global Warming” and finally we now have “Climate Change”, heck why don’t we just call it the weather.  Businesses have spent billions of dollars around the world making adjustments to reduce their so called “Carbon Footprint”.  What a ridiculous term.

      Wake up everybody, stop being taken for a ride and being made to feel guilty for just living on this beautiful planet.  Remember what you were taught in school: Carbon dioxide (CO2) is a key component to the carbon life cycle.  Plants breathe it, plants in oceans utilise it.  Without carbon dioxide there is no life, yes that’s right no life.  If you like death and desolation, than surely you don’t like carbon dioxide.

      The concept of man-made “Global Warming” is the greatest scam that has ever being hoisted onto the people of Earth.  It’s simply an opportunity to lump additonal taxes on hardworking honest people, a global tax if you will, a tax on life, a tax on breathing.

      While we’re on this subject, why don’t we just tax water?  That exists as a greenhouse gas.  Surely we should go all the way, why should water be spared and go unpunished for all its crimes.  Look up towards the sky and you will see those evil louds just hovering there and cunningly warming up our planet.

      Senator Steve Fielding I support you wholeheartedly in your convictions on this matter and keep fighting the good fight.  Thank goodness somebody in the senate and for that matter the entire Australian parliament has the courage to display some common sense for a change!

    • mat says:

      10:05pm | 29/07/09

      Mr Fielding, just look at the graph you big genius.  Right hand axis says very clearly “temperature anomaly”. Yet you speak as if it is actually real temperatures.  Considering the anomaly is very clearly above zero for the entire graphed line, it can be assumed that this means “above normal”.  Perhaps you should check the sources of the data and the graph, and how to interpret it before basing extremely important decisions on your incorrect interpretation.  Please.

    • TC says:

      12:41am | 30/07/09

      Is the problem with all of this really about climate change or is it our resistance to change?  We view climate change as a threat to our jobs and the way we live rather than an opportunity.  Even if climate change is a scam, can anyone deny energy costs are only going to go up.  It’s been amazing to watch people downgrade to smaller cars or start taking public transport to work who never would of been caught dead doing either before.

      Adopting renewable energy isn’t going to suddenly cause a loss of jobs.  It’s going to create more in the long term.  For example if you look at Germany they have spent 20 years developing renewable energy and pursuing green polices.  They’ve been doing this not because their hippies but they view it as being more efficient, reducing living costs as well as improving business.  Likewise they’ve built better public transport systems, why, cause it’s more efficient and cost effective than building / maintaining a hundred roads/ tunnels and still finding yourself sitting in peak hour traffic behind 1000 other cars that only have 1 driver in them.  The coal companies don’t have anything to fear, it’s going to take us a long time to catch up.

      Climate change right or wrong is an opportunity for us.  If our car industries had of thought about building more fuel efficient cars before the price of fuel skyrocketed then they wouldn’t be suffering so much. 

      Yes we can continue to be reactive, wait for india, china and America to do something like little sheep, or for once we could be proactive and try and get ahead of the game and make money out of this, even if it is a scam.

    • SEF says:

      07:33am | 30/07/09

      iansand, I totally agree with you.
      I see no damage in improving the way we use energy, water, land & chemicals and simply becoming more efficient by wasting less. So, whether the climate change argument is correct or not, is almost irrelevant. It is about becoming more aware of the impacts of human activity on the environment and becoming more efficient in the way we produce stuff. What is wrong with that?

    • JFWTFC says:

      08:06am | 30/07/09

      Senator Fielding needs to go out to the garage, shut all the doors, start the car, sit down, and have a good long think about it all.

    • Don Clark says:

      08:28am | 07/08/09

      Senator,
      Mat, Mesmer, Brian and others are right.  And so is Senator Wong.

      Senator, I’m sorry to say you do not understand the one chart you’ve used. You say your graph is:

      “based on data that IPCC use which showed emissions sky rocketing over the last 15 years while global temperatures had remained steady. This graph left me nothing short of flabbergasted. Up until this point I had truly believed that human made carbon dioxide emissions were responsible for climate change. However, this graph basically said otherwise”

      It doesn’t say that at all, Senator.

      Firstly, it shows CO2 rising at a steady rate. No skyrocket, other than a scale selected to fill the chart - not that there is anything much wrong with that. But the data - deriveable from the chart - in fact show CO2 concentration rising steadily at about 1.7ppmv/yr, or by about 7% over 15 yrs: 0.5% concentration rise per year roughly. No skyrocket. None. Of course, 0.5% rise per year will kill us all in the end, left long enough. But its not skyrocketing.

      Second, as Mat noted, the Air temperature scale is clearly Air temp anomaly: that is, *difference from a long run average*. It’s not the temp today or yesterday. Its an average diffference between temps now and some longer term average . That means any value over 0 here is temperature rising. Note that all values on the Temp anomaly data are indeed above 0. All of them. That is, global temperature is seen to be rising, at all points even over just 15 years of volatile data.

      Finally, Sir, Air vs Sea temp. Senator Wong is not in error sir: sea temps matter a very great deal. What do you suppose is one of the main drivers of air temperature, Senator? Air, Sea, and Land temp data all show the same trend.

      Senator, you have made a fundamental and profoundly worrying mistake here. You need to correct it, straight away, and on the public record. We are running out of time.  Your own evidence in fact shows CO2 steadily rising and global temperature rising too.

      You simply must try and fix this Senator, and you must try very much harder to understand the information you get. Much, much harder. As it is, you ignorance is very dangerous to us all.

      References:
      http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/anomalies/index.php#anomalies
      http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrumental_temperature_record

    • mike williams says:

      09:12pm | 11/08/09

      If the data was just wrong, then how come the climate change senator could not explain it…simple..the graph is right.
      The whole religion is built on computer models that have failed in every prediction from day one.
      I wish I had time and space to write down all the false claims/hoaxes etc.
      here is a pearl.
      Remember the hockey stick graph.
      Well then people, if you think you know your stuff and want the climate to “change”..what mental gymnastics did you perform when you found out the hockey stick graph was .......DEAD..killed in the water..
      http://www.john-daly.com/hockey/hockey.htm
      But forget reality..
      And the measurements you all seem to cherish..there from CITY temperature stations…
      This is probably the biggest scientific hoax of the last….200 years..but hell..there is money in it and a gullible and scientifically illiterate public so…we all lose

    • groucho says:

      09:14am | 12/08/09

      Oh for God’s sake. Read the graph. It’s right. What does it actually say?
      For the latest years the anomaly is 0.3 or 0.4 degrees *above* the baseline average, each year.  The only way to get that result is when temperatures are rising.

      Don Clark and the others are right. Senator Fielding’s understanding of his graph is wrong. We don’t know exactly what Sen Wong said to him. But he’s pretty bad at numbers, that’s clear.

    • Luke says:

      01:08pm | 12/08/09

      OMG its soooo scary that this bonehead has as much power as he does.

    • Bill D'berg says:

      12:45pm | 13/08/09

      Steve Fielding, I cannot, for the life of me , understand how you can be so sure of yourself. What is worse , you are advocating a do nothing attitude to save yourself for a few dollars. I would rather do something, if not to save the earth, at least to keep this only world of ours a healthier place to live in, Take the ozone dispute as a good example. Reduction of CFC has halted the expansion of the ozone hole thus saving us from exposure to the UV radiation.

    • Peter Ravenscroft says:

      10:16am | 21/08/09

      If folk would like to go to the Climate Change Debating Group (of just one person so far, me) you will see among amny other maps from the real world, that carbon dioxide is now required to be changing the earth;s gravity and magnetic fields, right here the most warming is happnning on this planet. It is an amzing gas.

      Steve Fielding complains that he cannot access Al Gore. I know the feeling, I cannot access Steve Fielding, despite many polite emails. The sceptics re all for climate change being driven by the sun. deep mante and crustal shift both physical and gravitational and magneti, re as popular with them as is CO2. Ho hum.

      Here is the link to ABC Pool on this issue

      http://www.pool.org.au/group/climate_change

      And one essay’s conclusion:

      Buy your carbon guilt trip indulgences only from a certified (!) genuine organic carbon sceptic. Send large amounts of money, in brown paper bags, to an address near you. Any address. We are not remotely interested.
      . Have fun all.
      . Peter ,

    • Peter Ravenscroft says:

      10:36am | 21/08/09

      This is a repeat,  can it replace the last one? Sorry about the typos, my eyes are a bit shot.

      If folk would like to go to the Climate Change Debating Group (of just one person so far, me) you will see, among many other mostly satellite maps from the real world, that carbon dioxide is now required to be changing the earth’s gravity and magnetic fields, right here the most warming is happening on this planet. It is an amazing gas.

      Steve Fielding complains that he cannot access Al Gore. I know the feeling, I cannot access Steve Fielding, despite many polite emails. The sceptics are presently all for climate change being driven by the sun. Deep mantle and crustal shifts, both physical and gravitational and magnetic, re as popular with them as is CO2. Ho hum.

      Here is the link to ABC Pool on this issue

      http://www.pool.org.au/group/climate_change

      Everyone, from every side in this debate, is cordially invited to pitch in.

      And one essay’s conclusion:

      “Buy your carbon guilt trip indulgences only from a certified (!) genuine organic carbon sceptic. Send large amounts of money, in brown paper bags, to an address near you. Any address. We are not remotely interested.”

      Have fun all.
      Peter.

    • Dallas Beaufort says:

      11:55am | 21/08/09

      If I could find some free CO2 ( Carbon Dioxide) or buy some cheep, from some of these bad producers, my garden vegetables and fruit would produce healthy yields in half the time, I would need a backyard to grow them in, as unit dwellings are to small to sustainably feed a family.

    • Joe says:

      02:46pm | 21/08/09

      I can provide Senator Fielding with a pretty graph clearly deomstrating there is no evidence to suggest his god is real - will he believe that?

    • Annette says:

      12:51pm | 24/08/09

      Well done, Senator Fielding! There have been many instances of global warming and cooling over the past 2.75 million years - they are called ice ages, and pardon me for speaking rationally, but I don’t recall archaeological evidence of rampart human use of fossil fuels as being a cause. Take a look at a night time satellite images of the Earth and you will see that there really are not that many areas “lit up”. Every animal exhales CO2, every mammal excretes methane as a product of metabolism, every tree converts CO2 to oxygen - that is what they do.  The more land that is cleared of old wood forests, the less CO2 is converted. Seems simple but it is only a small part of the picture. Ruddiman states that it is the sun itself which initially drives ice sheet formation and then the ice sheets themselves take control of CO2 changes, thus producing its own positive feedback. See this link:
      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/07/060725074044.htm
      Creating a carbon tax does not answer the problem. Yes the planet is warming slightly - it has before, and it will again inbetween periods of cooling, and it will continue to go through its cycles forever.  We did not cause the last warmings and coolings through mankinds activities, what on earth makes any intelligent person think we are causing it or can control it now. Thank you, Senator, for having the best interests of the people of Australia and the world at heart, by questioning the need to subject us to another unnecessary tax, and risking jobs. There is nothing wrong with a move to cleaner and more advanced forms of technology and energy production - but, all in good time, and no knee jerk reactions and money grabbing by the government is needed.

    • Helen says:

      03:53pm | 24/08/09

      I’m still sceptical about the existence of this “Senator Fielding”

    • Pete says:

      05:47pm | 24/08/09

      So Steve, if I stole ten dollars a day from your bank account you’d deny any theft was taking place as long as your account balance was increasing (ie. you were saving a little more than I was nicking for a period of time)?

      Your so-called skepticism is not nearly skeptical enough. Have you asked the question why your graph starts in 1995 - the hottest year in recorded history - rather than much earlier? Could it be that this year was chosen in order to mislead and confuse those people ignorant of the basic principles of data analysis?

    • Mark M Aldridge Independent says:

      11:45am | 14/09/09

      Climate Change or a Change of Habits?

      Having endured and studied the whole argument for many years now, its has become a fight between the well funded supporters of Co2 caused climate change and the skeptic’s whom dare to defy the whole political correctness of man made climate change.

      So the choice seems to have become one of do we believe the many scientists and professionals that are granted an income to find supporting evidence of the Co2 caused warming theory, or the ever increasing range of similar supposed experts whom dare risk their good name by opposing the theory.

      I for one have always considered long before the hypocorism of the original findings of the UN, that we must all consider ways in which to lesson our impact on our environment, and during my studies have never considered the life blood of our plant life Co2 to have been the future blame of all our worry’s.

      The problem we now face if climate change be the biggest worry facing our future, is not one of a decision of who or what is to blame, but more so, what steps must be taken to ensure our populations ability to prepare for what the weather is about to hand out.

      I would consider that a smart move would be to ensure adequate infrastructure projects to ensure a plentiful supply of power, food and potable water would be on the agenda, that we would as a world player, be ensuring that we are putting all our resources into preparing for what may lay ahead, be it cooling or warming of our climate.

      Funnily enough our respective governments seem to be going in the other direction, the diversion of our food production to satisfy the green fuel agenda, the reduction of reliable power sources for the same reason, and very little advancement in storm water harvesting and increased water storage, which combines to also have a great affect on food production.

      The strange but true part of this whole story is that increased Co2 and warmer temperatures actually would aid food production, which seems to be less than a fearful event considering our worlds huge population growth.

      The Governments position in this whole argument is one of rationing, and increased consumer expense via the introduction of the aptly named RATS Bill, how can we truly survive an increase in population at the same time we have decided to reduce availability or reliable power, food and water supplies?

      I swear I can hear the scream “ 1800’s here we come” yet who of us is ready for that?

      So the argument is not one of are we warming or not, or even the cause of such, but rather what steps are being taken to combat any looming disaster, what ever mother nature maybe about to throw at us, we will not survive by ignorance of foresight, with lack of food and water and without advancements in the technologies to provide and protect our future

      I truly doubt that as far as we have come as a race, that any of us think we can truly change the weather, and with the political decision being the more the merrier when it comes to our population, why does this not include our essential infrastructure and the social services to adequately cope.

    • Mr Pastry says:

      10:51pm | 14/09/09

      I hearby close another The Punch Climate Change discussion with the proeviously agreed solution, that of Sacrificing Virgins and am surprised this has not come up in previous posting.

    • Jason Harvey says:

      10:45am | 22/09/09

      I think it is interesting that his graph shows a marked increase in CO2 levels and this causes no concern.  Strangely it is almost a reason for joy.  I think that were we doctors looking at a human patient and seeing a massive increase in white blood cells but no increase in temperature we would still have to wonder if we should be doing something about the cause of the increase.

    • Pat says:

      09:53am | 02/10/09

      If climate change is the issue to be addressed why is private entreprise being brought to the table to add $BILLIONS costs to consumers each and every year? Where is the money being spent and what is the specific cost of the government providing this. At present there seems to be a mish mash of solutions put forward, most unproven and making a fortune for each company providing so called experimental solutions.
      There is no recourse on consumers monies being paid to the companies and no plan or study to show the cost / benefit in respect to tax and ETS costs paid by consumers nor how each percentage of EVERY DOLLAR charged is spent and how much of this is profit and government revenue via tax on profits.
      The present scheme has all the hallmarks of being speculative, no planning, no identified and measurable deliverables, and massive unpaid wealth transfers from consumers to investment banks and scheme operators. WHY?

    • P says:

      10:16am | 02/10/09

      Macquarie Bank and others like it are spending hundreds of millions on schemes I wonder why?
      What PROFIT are they expecting to make each and every year and for waht benefit.
      Rudd’s sceme is designed for spin and nothing more.
      Let him show us the cost and the tangible / measurable benefits before he forces the consumer into yet another scheme that falls over in 5 years with Macquarie bank and its ilk making billions and delivering nothing.
      Sounds like - PROMISE THE WORLD AND DELIVER AN ATLAS.

    • Wayne says:

      02:30pm | 02/10/09

      Time to stand up people and dispel this rubbish that we or carbon are the cause of global warming. Well done Senator for having the guts to ask questions WHY! The science has still not proven a link and more and more scientists everyday are now saying the same thing. What a bunch of sheep you all are. The real question is will adding more CO2 to the atmosphere make the world much warmer?  Well will it??? . This is nothing more than a new tax!
      And Don Clarke @ 7.28am 07/08. You sir are a fool who believes a little to much of the dribble on the ABC. Get real man!!!

    • Graeme says:

      11:03am | 07/10/09

      Right on Wayne (above comment) and most of you others with your clear-thinking and accurate comments. AND PARTICULAR THANKS TO THE GOOD SENATOR WHO HAS THE FORTITUDE AND CLEAR THINKING NECESSARY TO SEE THROUGH THE RUDD/WONG BULLSH… We are all indebted Sir for your honesty, integrity and tenacity in this matter.
      And after all the lies, deceit, obfuscation and “non-answers” thrown up by the likes of Wong and her cohorts, Al Gore particularly and the array of MP’s from all political beliefs; let us hope that you do stick to your line, vote against this iniquitious additional tax, and save many thousands of Aussie jobs and small businesses.
      Another RUDD flim-flam trick; you betcha. And apparently only Fielding, with maybe some Coalition malcontents, has the ‘balls’ to stand up for the rights of genuine Aussie workers in this critical area. GO STEVE; GO!!!

    • null says:

      02:27pm | 07/10/09

      Well senator, right or wrong (and with climate the length of time to determine which is measured in decades at teh least) I congratulate you for actually researching something personally.  If you keep this up maybe, just maybe people will start questioning the value of teh career pollies who toe the party line/ regurgitate what teh lobbyists spin doctors feed them.

    • Richard says:

      07:13pm | 07/10/09

      Wow, am I the only one who has studied year 12 maths here? The exact thing that he is using as his proof that there is no correlation, does the opposite, it proves there IS a correlation.
      Look at the graph.
      Look at the labels of the axes.
      On the left, we have the black line, which is carbon dioxide concentration. That is clearly rising, anyone can see that.
      On the right, we have the red line. Read carefully. “Air temperature *anomaly*”. You know what that means? That is the difference between the air temperature and what it (should) be, based on averages on previous years (or longterm trends or whatever).

      Notice something else? That’s right, it’s all POSITIVE. That means the temperature is HIGHER than where it should be. Some years it’s not higher by much, sometimes, it’s higher by a lot.
      Examples:
      Beginning of 1998, the air temperature was over 0.7 degrees higher than the average predicted.
      Beginning of 2008, the air temperature was less than 0.1 degrees higher than the longterm average. BUT? It was still HIGHER!

      If you differentiate the carbon axis, you will be able to see the correlation a lot easier. Look again at the beginning of 1998. Look at the red line. Temperatures went up by 0.7 degrees. Look at the black line. Carbon Dioxide is rising, as before, but it rose by A LOT more, because it is steeper.
      That proves the opposite of what this guy is saying. There IS a correlation. Anyone who can’t see that should go back to study high school maths.

      Now, this is not an arguement about the general science behind any of it, but whoever this guy is, he seems to be arguing about this graph, and he obviously has no idea what he’s even looking at. If he wants someone to answer his questions, he needs a maths teacher, not Al Gore.

    • Dan says:

      09:21pm | 25/10/09

      Nature removes carbon from the atmosphere by photosynthesis, dissolving in sea water and in rain water. All the industrial CO2 produced by Australia in a week can be removed by nature in less than 5 minutes. (For the world it takes 3 and a half hours.) Carbon tax is an unscientific farce which may insignificantly reduce Radiative Forcing from the current 123.0 to 122.4 Watts per metre squared. Senator Fielding, please keep up your work.

    • Andrew Reid says:

      02:00pm | 29/10/09

      A period of unpredictable climate change was predicted to become evident and pronounced back in 1981, not by ecologists or envioronmentalists but by solar scientists who have been cataloging a significant measurable increase in solar radience every 11 year solar cycle.

      Ask yourself this, if the Sun’s radiation isn’t becoming then how come sunscreen lotions are becoming increasingly stronger every so many years.

      The highest sunscreen factor of the 1980’s would be less than factor 10 today. Compare that with the factor 60 lotions that have appeared recently.

      The CO2 thing is a modern day attempt to play “King Canute”.

      Think about this…. the human race contributes between 1.8% of the total CO2 generation of the planet, the other 98.2% being from natural causes.

      Now how can all our efforts to reduce our contribution down to 1.6% make that big a difference??

      And why the fanatical denial of any cause other than CO2 by the governments of the world, despite the overwhelming holes in the theory??
      Perhaps the whole CO2 thing is just to distract us from worrying about what if the Sun just keep on winding up the radiation output, a bit like a midwife telling a husband to go an boil some water during a home birth.

      If the Sun’s Ultra Violet output reaches over a certain level, in future, it would sterilise the soil other vast swathes of land, then we would be in very deep trouble…. soil bacteria are the foundation of the food change we sit on top of.

      This would be motive enough to need to distract the general population from thinking too hard and asking too many questions about the scapegoating of CO2 for climate change. And I agree that sometimes people need to be shielded from unpalatable truths on a global scale.

      Climate Change is coming, just like an impeding storm, so isn’t it better that we stop fafffing around wasting time and money in a futile attempt to stop nature and just prepare to cope with the effects.

      Mankind has gone through climate change before, the last time was 800 years ago, when Vikings farmed Greenland.

      It is better that we accept that it is coming, that we can’t do anything to prevent it, and spent the funds and rescouces to help those who will be most affected to cope and survive.

    • niceseeingu says:

      01:56am | 30/10/09

      Steve,

      Thank you for your research, really do appreciate it, and i encourage you to continue the fight. 
      However, in the meantime, I hope that the scare mongering really works and those with million dollar waterside properties try to sell them off because of the rising sea levels and when the price drops because of the lack of buyers, and I’ll be able to buy several so that I and my great great great grandchildren will have a really nice place to live out our lives..

      I recall a scare many years ago in Adelaide , when some knowledgeable person(tongue in cheek) predicted a tidal wave was to hit Adelaide and flatten it, so a lot of people panicked and sold their property’s for a song, literally, ahhh, the smart people that bought them, so In effect I’m hoping for another fire sale so to speak.

      So if your a believer and you have a water front property you want to unload to a sap like me, drop me a line.

    • Perdix says:

      08:45am | 30/10/09

      well done Steve, I don’t often agree with your politics, but I like your approach.
      I recall a scientific report I read some 20 odd years ago that stated we were entering the next ice age!. I find this more plausible than global warming.
      Climate change is a fact, and its been occurring since before man stood on two legs, and it will still be occurring long after mankind has made itself extinct, it occurs all the time.
      The weather during the time that mankind has been around has been extremely benevolent, and quite out of character for this planet. It has been a significant factor in the development of civilization.
      No amount of additional taxation will make any difference to the climate, it will simply change consumption patterns, any half decent economist will tell you that. And the chances of the money raised by this tax being used to do anything practical? zero, nada, zilch, not a snowball’s, etc . the money will get frittered away on more useless electoral bribes that produce absolutly nothing of worth.

    • Pauly says:

      10:18am | 30/10/09

      How stupid are you deniers? Anyone can answer Fielding’s question - except of course he doesn’t exist.

      Start the graph from 50 years before, or even 20 years earlier and you’ll see a clear correlation - in fact, start it from pretty much any year before when you started it and you’ll see a clear link.

      It is typical of climate change deniers to start graphs at the years they find convenient in order to distort the facts. Senator - why don’t you show us the graph starting in the years 1945? Maybe because it would prove that you’re wrong?

    • James says:

      02:38pm | 20/11/09

      Dear oh dear if you can’t see the super basic mistake Steve has made here please shut up, you will only embarrass yourself.

      Steve you have got to refer to a baseline period for your average global temperature and then show global average temperature for the last 100 years to see the trend, why don’t you do that then come back and see if you think the globe isn’t warming as CO2 increases.

      Also read this article while you are at it.

      http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2009/10/27/2009-10-27_statisticians_reject_global_cooling.html

      Honestly this issue is serious, if you don’t want to educate yourself properly please just shut up.

    • bob says:

      12:15am | 07/02/10

      its about greed dishonesty opportunisim more greed. power
      the band wagon is rolling and everyone wants to get on .....
      but when the weels fall off how many will get off in time
      its us all of us ...if we stopped bullshiting and faced ourselves and our veiws with complete honesty we may have a chance.

 

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