The Punch is now one month old. We would like to thank our readers for getting us off to such a strong start. We would also like to engage you in conversation as to what more you would like out of this website - what’s working, what isn’t, what more we could do to make your reading experience more illuminating and entertaining.

The Punch had expected to get about 80,000 readers (unique browsers) in its first month. The official figures show we ended up with 206,281 readers. This compares to Crikey, which is five years older than us, and had 179,069 readers in the same period.

This funny little niche website run out of Melbourne has been obsessing about us since we launched, and it’s something we regard as proof positive of the navel-gazy bullshit which blights the media landscape, where journos both from the independent blogosphere and big media would much rather talk about each other than the readers.

It’s a fact demonstrated by the coverage of Wednesday’s Press Club address by News Limited chairman and CEO John Hartigan, which was a characteristically blunt and thought-provoking bomb-throwing exercise where Hartigan questioned the quality of Australia’s newspapers, including those owned by News Limited, challenged the work practices of his own staff in the Canberra Press Gallery, and bemoaned the fact that the readers were often the farthest thing from the media’s mind as it went about its journalism.

Funnily enough, the one part of Hartigan’s speech which received intense scrutiny was his provocative analysis of the blogosphere as a safe haven for single-issue cranks, obsessives and ideologues who come at every issue from a fixed position.

His observations about the juvenile and superficial conduct of some bloggers was borne out in the real-time twitter coverage of his speech by Crikey’s Bernard Keane, a grown man who, to borrow from Tim Blair, writes with all the giggly, exclamation-laden excitement of a teenage girl in her email account of schoolies week.

“Tell them something they didn’t know! whodathunk!”, “did someone say non sequitur? Hartigan leaps from topic to topic with no apparent connection” and “No cliche left unturned! tell us more Harto!” were just a few of his more cogent tweets covering the speech.

This self-obsession ignored the much more interesting core of the speech which was that journalism, big and small, was often its own worst enemy, because journalists and editors cannot distinguish between what they want to write about and what the readers actually want to read.

This was the point that most interested me - and it was made by Hartigan to a roomful of journalists many of whom work for News Limited:

“How many journalists in this room have written a story recently that was original, exclusive, highly relevant and genuinely useful to your audience? 

I’m not saying there haven’t been stories like this. But, there have been too few. 

And I reckon it’s much the same in general news, business and sport, even the lifestyle sections. 

Newspapers in the US are disappearing left, right and centre. 

Fewer papers are being sold and in my view it’s because many of them are largely boring and irrelevant to their readership. 

Their content is ubiquitous rather than unique.”

While the speech was upbeat and positive about the future of print, it was this passage which sounded the warning, that if the media continues to entertain and amuse itself first and the readers second - as the coverage of Hartigan’s speech has proved - it will struggle to grow its audience.

In that spirit The Punch uses its first month anniversary to invite you tell us what you want.

Oh, and we’d also like to thank Crikey for this piece, where apart from some desperate technical quibbling about their superiority on page impressions, unsurprising given that they’re four years and 11 months older than us, they did at least have the decency to admit that we’ve already got more readers than they have.

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    • Jacometti says:

      12:46pm | 03/07/09

      First.

      Really enjoy the site - check it each morning. Thanks for putting all this together.

    • Ash says:

      12:48pm | 03/07/09

      Is this about content or tit for tat?  The more interesting voices out there in the media landscape the better, so I am happy for the Punch and Crikey to be around please… both, not either-or.  The last thing we need is some sort of war between where there is going to be a casualty…. we don’t need less media in this country, sheesh.  And Hartigan also demonstrated a complete lack of knowledge of the online media in that speech… slammed strong Australian content blogs like Mumbrella… so perhaps some of the people you have to convince the most about your project lie within your own company.

    • Todd says:

      12:48pm | 03/07/09

      I read both sites daily, but this pissing contest is highly unnecessary and detracts from the quality of both sites. There’s room for both of you in the media landscape.

      The Punch needs more political stories from third party sources and less partisan opinion pieces. In essence more commentary and less grandstanding.

    • Matt says:

      12:56pm | 03/07/09

      Would love to see you recruit a cartoonist for the site - Please make it better than first dog. Also why not put out a news poll type popularity measure on these readers / unique hits etc and have it on your site : -Rudd Vs Turnbull - Punch Vs Crikey!

      Punch on people great stuff!

    • Steven Danno says:

      01:00pm | 03/07/09

      Keep the Punch free, a Crikey sub is not chicken feed an questionably worth the dough (sorry to mix the metaphor), agree with Todd re opinion…

    • Clem says:

      01:02pm | 03/07/09

      I’d like to see more of the writers of each piece responding the comments they get. Mainly because I like to watch people fight.

    • Alex White says:

      01:04pm | 03/07/09

      Good to see that the Punch is not navel gazing or focusing on journalistic/blogger stoushes…

      ... Oh. Wait a moment.

    • Zeta says:

      01:06pm | 03/07/09

      Given that Hartigan has indicated he’ll be moving political coverage away from the papers, with the mooted closure of some of the press gallery offices; I’d like to see more politics in the Punch, but less from MPs and affiliated stakeholders. I’m sick of reading ‘stories’ written by MPs staffers that clearly serve some other agenda, or are there to respond to something happening in the mainstream press. I’d like actual political commentary from political journalists who know what’s going on, as opposed to MPs editorialising for 750 words. They can do that in their newsletters.

    • Lexi says:

      01:16pm | 03/07/09

      Crikey makes you pay… which is fine if you’re prepared to, and I appreciate they are independent media (or were intended to be when Stephen Mayne started it all), but just as I’m not going to pay to see the AFR content, I’m not going to shell out for Crikey… Getting snippets just gets annoying.

      That said.  I’d like to see The Punch to be a bit tighter editorially.  Yep, new media doesn’t have the same editorial structure, but we shouldn’t be reading contributors (or whatever you call those throwing the first Punch) writing “a myriad of” or “the couple were” or any other grammatically incorrect phrases.  The Punch is going to attract readers who know the difference. 

      I’m loving the topics - content is great and the live feed during Utegate sitting days was tops. Massive tick of approval there.

      The Punch is a great News Ltd initiative and to add another “mine’s bigger than yours” opportunity, you don’t see anything this adventurous coming out of Fairfax or the other big media stables.  Of course, ABC has its fora, but…. “nerdy” and “NIMBY” come to mind.

    • Adam says:

      01:28pm | 03/07/09

      Right on Pembo. By replacing Stephen Mayne with Beecher and Christian Kerr with Keane, Crikey have slipped rapidly into complete luvvie irrelevance. This is much to my dismay - it was a great shitsheet under Mayne, and a fearless news-breaker. As Hartigan said, Crikey no longer creates news, preferring instead to churn out worthless gossip and reams of turgid, left-leaning “analysis”. A pox on them.

      And I second the recruitment of a cartoonist. “First dog” is the only reason I read Crikey these days.

    • Andika says:

      01:39pm | 03/07/09

      Visit the site every day.

      Just keep and up vibe and make it always interesting.
      Oh yeah - add some more sport - now where near enough.

    • Heléna says:

      01:52pm | 03/07/09

      I’m loving this format and I hope that the Punch can retain it’s place - although perhaps you should be above the mud slinging

    • Wes says:

      02:03pm | 03/07/09

      I really enjoy the website but cringe whenever a piece is written by a politician.  Lets keep the players and the commentators in the political arena separate.  Let them use their party websites to push their agendas and this website can then applaud them or give them hell as desired.

    • Wallop says:

      02:03pm | 03/07/09

      Ditch the youTube videos you embed within stories. It’s cheap, crass and lazy. Illustrate your yarns with original content. You can create that sort of stuff quickly and easily on computers these days, you know.

      I agree with other posters’ comments re politicians - piss ‘em off. Replace them with pieces from unexpected sources - people we never hear from.

    • Heléna says:

      02:16pm | 03/07/09

      I like reading politicans’ viewpoints, but would expect them to respond to posted comments if they are expecting to have a voice @ the Punch

    • Hackler says:

      02:30pm | 03/07/09

      Agree with Todd: “...this pissing contest is highly unnecessary and detracts from the quality of both sites.”

      Stop waving your d*$&s around and write for your audiences. Sure the Punch beat Crikey this month but considering it has the backing of the News Limited juggernaut that is hardly surprising.

      Hartigan’s argument was self-serving and designed to promote the global News Limited agenda to throw its weight behind the paid content model - one that will still fail.

      The attack on the very independent media is obvious - these outlets are fragmenting media audiences and undermining the news limited empire. Strong, well-researched journalism comes in many forms in this new media environment - to dismiss independent news outlets is pointless.

      The more outlets the better - but get on the new media train or watch it leave the station without you…

    • Patrick says:

      02:35pm | 03/07/09

      Four suggestions:

      1. The format of the site is a little clunky. New stories push older stories down the page so that even stories of the day slide too soon into the internet equivalent of yesterday’s news. I would be interested to know how much traffic stories get on the site over a day as they move down the page. Sure you are trying to be different but the reason why newspapers have leads to many stories on the front page is so readers can see all that is on offer and follow those they like to the back pages. The same format works well online - think Google and, dare I say it, Crikey. You try with the “recent post” section at the top right corner but it provides scant information about recent articles. The “punching on today” section at the bottom of the page is more attractive and informative but its hidden at the bottom of the page. 

      2.  The constant putting down of Crikey is tiring. Sure it is a competitor of sorts but I like probably many of your readers choose to read both and will continue to do so. It is not a Pepsi/ Coke thing. We don’t have to choose sides.

      3.  You bill yourself as “Australia’s best conversation” but there is not much conversing going on. At the moment its more like a lecture with the chance for some in the audience to write notes. There is no back and forth between author and commentators as you would expect in a conversation. Can authors reply directly to comments made? Do you invite articles by readers for possible publication?

      4 The cultural wars continue but are about as exciting as a Patrick White novel where every second page has been ripped out of.

    • Matt says:

      02:49pm | 03/07/09

      Crikey killer Quest que cest. Fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa.

      I can understand why unfiltered media is attractive to pollies. They have to better respect the readers intelliigence.

      Jaimie Briggs wrote an article yesterday. I could very well be wrong, but I had this feeling that he didn’t believe what he was writing. I thought that was pretty sad when an opportunity arises to use unfiltered media.

      Basically we should expect bias from pollies but not idiocy (if they’re not an idiot in the first place). It would be good to have more independent analysis above the partisan divide.

      It’d also be good to have a in-house political sketch writer as well. Matt Price’s death has left a giant hole in journalism in this country. Annabel Crabbe and Tim Blair shouldn’t have to fill it in alone.

    • Louc says:

      03:00pm | 03/07/09

      I think Patrick’s suggestions are all valid. Esp article by readers - you never know, they could blow you out of the water (hint, hint)

      I never got into Crikey even though given my line of work I should have - mostly because all the articles I did see were so self-righteous which is an unattractive quality for anybody inparticular journalists…

      When I saw the ‘best converstation’ tag line i though I would hurl and to be fair I was pleasantly suprised and do enjoy reading the punch and am often inpsired to leave comments (case in point)

      Keep it up, take on some of the suggestions listed and who really cares that much about crikey? I read this Elanor Roosevelt quote yesterday somehting like:

      ‘great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about other people’ - i like that, don’t you?

    • Chris says:

      03:05pm | 03/07/09

      I tell you what this site needs - a complete redesign! What sort of juvenile graphic design wannabe dreamed up this abomination of a website? Where’d they get their qualifications from - the back of a cornflakes box?

      The content is great and all, especially that piece about that Arthur Kade bloke a while back, but visually - it’s a complete affront to the eyes. Please do something now Punch while you still can!

      Yours sincerely,

      Chris Deal
      Designer of The Punch

    • Dianne says:

      03:21pm | 03/07/09

      I lke The Punch, well done, enjoy reading it. Is there a ‘suggestions for stories button?’ I may have a suggestion or 2.

      I would like to reply directly to comments, to engage in a direct discussion with previous posters. Like the Huffpo, but with the option to click away the thread rather than scrolling through it.

      I don’t want to have to say:

      @hackler, regarding ‘waving dicks around’, hah! just hah! and also what about female journos? What do they waver around?

    • Sean says:

      03:21pm | 03/07/09

      I’m letting my Crikey sub lapse after being a subscriber from the beginning, but I agree with several points in this thread about how The Punch can be improved:
      • drop the You Tube (unless directly relevant)
      • drop the MPs
      • drop the PR spinners like Peter Lewis.

    • Jack says:

      03:28pm | 03/07/09

      Patrick has hit the nail on the head with his third point.

      Let’s have more in the way of responsiveness from the contributors, especially those who are more in the public eye. It doesn’t need to be a live chat, it can be their response at their leisure with an e-mail update to tell you if your comment has had a response to it.

    • Jonathan says:

      03:37pm | 03/07/09

      I agree: more conversation please.  Without author feedback the comment sections run the risk of turning into something from the Daily Tele.  And please, don’t heed the request of the sport lover: there’s sport aplenty everywhere else.  Unless it’s the tour de France.

    • Dan says:

      03:43pm | 03/07/09

      i say keep up the great work. Contrary to what some others have said, i think its great that you have contributors from all backgrounds, particularly MPs and journalists from various organisations. Above all else, just keep up the honest style of writing that cuts to the chase and doesn’t worry if its politically correct or not

    • O says:

      03:49pm | 03/07/09

      For a site that is so young to be mentioned in Parliament in one of the biggest political stoushes we have had so far speaks volumes.  Keep up the good work. 

      Agree with other comments re feedback back from contibutors, surely if a poltician or anyone else for that matter wishes to express a view in a forum such as this they should engage with the posts, otherwise go write an opinion piece for a newspaper.

    • Anthony says:

      04:01pm | 03/07/09

      Just keep on keeping it balanced and the Punch will succeed.

      And as for mentioning your performance against your competitors, I don’t see how that can hurt.

    • Timothy says:

      04:01pm | 03/07/09

      I think it was Harold Ross the original editor and founder of The New Yorker who said, when asked about what readers want, that Edison didn’t ask people what kind of lamp improvements they wanted. Most would have asked for more efficient burning or longer wicks or perhaps an automatic lighting device. By being original he gave people a light and a benefit they couldn’t possibly have conceived of themselves. You guys may indeed be in need of some help if you think articles by Maxine McKew of “such prestigious programs as Lateline etc…...”  are of any interest. Give us a break guys!!!  I can hear the white ants in the floorboards already. You are already demonstrating the truth of John Hartigan’s speech by featuring this lefty. Give us a new kind of light guys, for pity’s sake. Not self serving articles by would-be politicians who will be swept out of office by the deluge of hatred to come. You started brilliantly. Don’t let yourselves down too soon.

    • cyclosarin says:

      04:03pm | 03/07/09

      What about a mobile/iPhone optimised version of The Punch?

    • phil says:

      04:10pm | 03/07/09

      Heres an idea dont listen to wankers like TIMOTHY i mean really timothy

    • Daniel Syme says:

      04:10pm | 03/07/09

      All hail John Hartigan! He wouldn’t happen to be your boss or anything, would he Pembo?

      The fact you think Hartigan’s speech was anything other than the tired ramblings of a soon to be extinct industry dinosaur indicates how little independence from News Ltd you actually have.

      Why don’t you kiss him if you love him so much?

    • Belinda says:

      04:27pm | 03/07/09

      Congratulations on your first month - The Punch has now become a daily read with the caffeine fix.

      However I do agree with the comment re: more conversation and less lecturing.

    • Geoff says:

      04:32pm | 03/07/09

      Surely comments like that reinforce CEO John Hartigan’s comments questioning the quality of Australian newspapers. I read comments like that and disapprovingly shake my head.  It’s outlandish, however typical, that the rules of journalistic engagement don’t apply on this site. With an attitude like that Mr Penberthy, you fall into the very small envelope comparable to the ‘funny little niche website run out of Melbourne’, who you claim has been obsessing about you since your launch. Maybe, just maybe, it’s you and only you who have been obsessing about you.

      The major difference between the journalists from the independent blogosphere and big media worlds to you Mr Penberthy is that they would much rather talk about each other than the readers, where you would much rather talk about yourself. Hopefully Hartigan has the opportunity to read ‘Penberthy’s thanks to the readers’, where he will surely bemoan the fact that readers are the farthest thing away from Pemberthy’s mind too, the nearest thing being himself.

    • Razor says:

      04:43pm | 03/07/09

      Next weeks Powerball numbers emailed to me, alone.

      Thanks in advance.

    • lance says:

      04:48pm | 03/07/09

      The Punch doesn’t excite me. Would love it to have been an Australian version of The Onion.

      Was John Hartigan talking about News Limited’s staff or we onliners when he said,
      “In return for their free content we pretty much get what we’ve paid for - something of such limited intellectual value as to be hardly discernible from massive ignorance”.

      Either way, he doesn’t think much of us does he.

    • wolf says:

      04:50pm | 03/07/09

      Well it’s no On Dit Penbo but it’s a start :p

      Actually to be fair I like the site and don’t think too much needs to change.

      For now I think the priority would be to shell out for more bandwith and/or a bigger server since the site is a little sluggish at times.  Feedback from contributers (especially paid staff) in the ‘comments’ section of their pieces would be welcome too.  You don’t need to respond to every point but I think JP got it about right the other day responding to her open letter.

      One of the strengths of this site was seen during utegate with the immediacy of coverage and your ability to break a new angle on the story rather than just aggregating information available elsewhere.  I think the youtube videos are mostly appropriate and give the site a wonderfully informal feel but on some occasions they are overused.

      Oh and when you get time a mobile optimised version would be great.  Keep up the good work and don’t let the bastards get you down wink

    • Fred Phillips says:

      05:05pm | 03/07/09

      So when Crikey write about you, its “navel-gazy bullshit”, but when you (repeatedly) try and put them down, its not. Newflash Penbo: you aren’t any different to them. You are clearly as obsessed with them as they are with you, if not more so.

      And Tim Blair calling someone else an excited teenage girl? Who is he kidding (other than you, Penbo)? Talk about pot, meet kettle. Tim Blair is an airhead crybaby. Your credibility is not served by quoting that partisan clown.

    • scooper1 says:

      06:12pm | 03/07/09

      Suffice it to say that Punch is on my “daily read” list. Well done and keep it coming.

    • Joe Hildebrand says:

      06:17pm | 03/07/09

      Does this mean that all my repeated clicking on my own articles hasn’t worked?

    • Martin says:

      06:54pm | 03/07/09

      I like the site, but I would like to see your commentary either totally unbiased or the writer should openly declare their bias. There is nothing wrong with a writer declaring their opinion vigorously, as long as their bias is declared. Otherwise your writers will certainly lose my respect.

      In my opinion your site needs to be a level of professionalism above the rest. If you can achieve that you will keep me as a reader.

      Korrect speling is also inportant!

    • Rob says:

      07:38pm | 03/07/09

      As others have said—it’s no conversation if the authors don’t converse.

    • Fred says:

      07:44pm | 03/07/09

      Crikey sh*ts all over this dross.

    • stephen says:

      08:37pm | 03/07/09

      Great site -my first - and as for a suggestion, you might include each week a quick quiz along the lines of, say:
      “Who was the somewhat portly nondescript on the (very) front bench of the libs’ who can’t say ‘sorry’ over fake letters”?

      Maybe 10 questions. First prize: 2 weeks hols. at a Geelong caravan park.
      Second: A conversation with Peter Garrett !

    • Michaeld says:

      10:12pm | 03/07/09

      I like the stories and the writing, as well as the selection of writers. There’s a pretty good variation of political perspectives and age of writers. I think that’s refreshing. Clearly some authors write more than others - that’s ok but the eye is drawn to the photo of the author and people who flick between sites might get the impression that the Punch is really just a blog for 2 or 3 authors. Perhaps a layout that shows the diversity of stories (eg NY Times website) would be better.

    • connor says:

      02:53am | 04/07/09

      I don’t care too much about what Hartigan had to say about blogging but the sooner News Ltd. is dropped from Google searches the better imo

    • connor says:

      02:56am | 04/07/09

      Oh, and here’s an idea, embed the ‘home’ link in your banner, if you don’t want to baffle your readers and drive away those with a particularly short attention span (after three clicks I was *this* close to just shutting my browser, why the hell would I want to strain my eyes searching for a link)

    • Adam says:

      04:10am | 04/07/09

      Well I’ve only come here about 5-6 times since News Ltd started this experiment of trying to become a blog and I don’t think much of it. This article above by “Penbo” will be the last time I ever visit this site. Just too immature.

      There comes a time in life when you outgrow the unprofessionalism and right-wing bias of News Ltd. I don’t buy any of their papers anymore and one only has to look at how extreme The Australian has become over the last five years or so to realise they’re playing to rednecks and the peanut gallery. They know they’re done hence this soon to be gone experiment, Hartigan humiliating himself, Kerr attacking blogs (except The Punch of course) and the usual sad and tired jabs at Crikey.

      Crikey is educational could that ever be said of anything from News Ltd?

      As someone who likes to learn and increase my knowledge as opposed to being told we’re under attack from muslims by extremists like Andrew Bolt or Shanaham’s black is white poll reading ability, I don’t think in good faith I can subject myself to this rubbish any longer.

      Crikey & The Independent Weekly, that’ll do me.

    • pete b says:

      09:11am | 04/07/09

      Lets be honest, John Hartigan is a insecure endangered species in dinosaur media. I agree with the above, less MPs & spin merchants navel gazing at their own spin. (Or if they spin they must actively converse) That is not quality journalism, it is offensive to readers.

    • Monkeywrench says:

      09:33am | 04/07/09

      Well, considering The Suckerpunch is syndicated via the vast News network, and Crikey is a stand-alone website, I think the figures show you up as a damp squib. This is entirely due to the lightweight standard of stuff that you are putting on display here: excruciatingly-unfunny “humourous” pieces, and some gorblimey-style tabloid dross such as your own recent choleric musings on the obesity epidemic, which was (a) entirely inaccurate, and (b) yawningly unfunny.
      Perhaps if you stopped showing us your underwear with regard to your Crikey obsession, you might sound a little less desperate.

    • Graeme says:

      10:19am | 04/07/09

      I don’t know if it’s possible to be more up yourself.

    • Josh says:

      10:47am | 04/07/09

      What utter w*nk. That was what struck me about Hartigan’s take on Crikey and MuMbrella before praising this very site. He seemed very much like he was lashing out irrationally in fear of what was in the big bad dark of online. There’s no need to dissolve into a pissing contest as others have said. Traditional media and online need each other. The Punch and Crikey really don’t offer the same thing (Crikey has more original reporting). Why compare?

      But that aside. Less articles from the so-called spokespeople of Gen Y. Their pure arrogance makes us all look bad and, I loathe to use the term, but the silent majority of us Gen Y are nothing like that.

      Less with the partisan politics. Or at least have the decency to declare who little-known politicians like Jamie Briggs actually are before letting them rant on party-line.

      The YouTube videos are also a bit irrelevant and take away from some of the good articles.

      I do enjoy that you have Catherine Lumby and Leigh Sales along with experts like Alex Wodak. I think you have the potential to improve if you keep going with people like this.

    • T.C. says:

      10:59am | 04/07/09

      I’d like to see some kind of registration for the site. That way I can be T.C. and no one else can be T.C.

      It will also mean that people can post comments immediately. And if they misbehave, you can just ban the registration.

      This will allow a live discussion of sorts, not waiting a few hours to see if your comment has gone up and then a few hours more if someone else has said anything in partial response to you.

      Your writers are good. They set an excellent foundation. But the way the site will soar is when the readers take over the conversation and add their own opinions and viewpoints. For that will happen it will need to be in real time with no delays.

    • Paul Colgan

      Paul Colgan says:

      11:17am | 04/07/09

      T.C. - they are all great suggestions, we’ll take them on board

    • Eric says:

      11:48am | 04/07/09

      Gee, those Crikey readers really don’t like News Ltd, do they?

      I had a one-year subscription to Crikey’s email newsletter. It was so far left-biased that I stopped reading the emails after three months.

      I can see why they’re feeling so threatened by The Punch—a much more balanced website with great potential.

      To other suggestions, I can only add—yes, real-time replies, please, and more variety of opinion in the articles. Politicians and journalists aren’t the only people with something interesting to say. Though I’m quite happy to read their stuff, as long as they read and occasionally reply to our comments.

    • Jane Seth says:

      11:53am | 04/07/09

      First time I’ve looked at this blog.

      Last time too.

    • Adam Bramwell says:

      12:00pm | 04/07/09

      Hey David, thanks for asking

      * make your logo clickable
      * keep self-referential themes to a minimum. That includes your profession,  your owners, your ironic statements about what ‘media would rather talk about’.
      * Omphaloscopy should not to be pursued as an engagement model.
      * allow comment contributors to be rewarded with a nod to their own website, as links are the currency of the web and The Punch is not participating.

      http://www.createconsume.com

    • Tomtom says:

      12:52pm | 04/07/09

      Please fix your server. It’s often slow or unresponsive. And it often reverts back to an earlier version of the front page when refreshed.

      Good servers are very cheap. There’s no reason you couldn’t get one.

    • regina says:

      11:23pm | 04/07/09

      i am so rarely asked what i think so thanks for the opportunity.

      gosh there seem to be a lot of people reading the punch who hate news limited and will never read the punch again .. right after they post their next comment i suppose.

      ooh, how did crikey and the punch start fighting?! its rather amusing i think to read the carping. the punch should offer bernard keane his own byline. i wonder if he’d jump and how quickly.

      you’ve come into your own on breaking news – the utegate live feeds and the immediacy of the commentary was great. i like the thread of humour generally.  editorially it feels like a collaborative effort and the camaraderie among the columnists is good fun.

      i love how it scrolls down and that you update regularly. even the twitter feeds are funny. i’m not a huge fan of youtube thingies. some colour and movement is ok but too much can be distracting and annoying. i don’t care about the other blogs you link to on the right sidebar either.

      the content mix has been mostly entertaining but they’ve been a few dud commentators whose columns were unreadable. some columnists are so over-exposed and i’d rather stick pins in my eyes than hear from them yet again. the more unorthodox choices have been inspired. i love colvin and sales – clever and well written. i hate the pollies. i see their headshots and start scrolling down. i was clueless about joe hildebrand until the punch but now i love him to bits. i agree that it would be good to see columnists engage with the readers. banter can add drama and surprise.

      the younger commentators have been disappointing. recruit some new original voices. marieke hardy is great. so where are the bloody wogs mate? my grandma has a few good stories she could tell. some funny fiction or reviews a la new yorker? audience competitions or contributions like smh’s heckler? i’d read anything william mcinnes writes. i like a bit of music - blasts from the past? retro reminiscing? any chance of poaching mark dapin from smh? i have a huge crush on him although i don’t suppose that’s your editorial priority. more sport please! it would be fun to see shane warne try to string a few pars together. there’s no food talk at all which surprises me. don’t you guys eat? find some bitter and twisted retired pollies or entertainers to give the world a ‘if only everyone did it my way’ spray. always good fun. oh and would it hurt to include a little poetry? maybe start with neruda.

      you must all work insanely long hours. i’d be happy for everyone to have a day off every now and then.

      except for you penbo. i love your columns most. you should be chained to your desk 24/7. well you did ask for my feedback.

      so far it’s been great fun. best of luck with it all for the future.

    • Mia says:

      11:07am | 05/07/09

      Well, I’ve been slugging it out on occasion with news dot bomb journos and those phantoms known as ‘staff writers’ who spin the most outrageous bullshit without evidence to back it up. I’d say fully 95% of my comments are not published even though I stay on topic and ask pertinentent questions about evidence to support the wild claims being made. So it’s clear to me that news.com has an unwritten policy of censorship whenever it is called to account.

      Please be better than that. I think it’s quite broadly known that news has become entertainment in the speculative fantasy genre and is far away from its traditional roots of reporting the facts with substantiation. ‘Journalist’ should not equal ‘professional liar’.

    • Babs says:

      11:12am | 05/07/09

      Love the site, guys, and much needed.

      Crikey… I’ll look if someone points to it, but really all I see is a bunch of high school dropouts with nothing better to do than hang around the playground and chuck rocks. It’s amateur and immature.

    • Joe says:

      01:09pm | 05/07/09

      I would gladly accept more political reporting. Why can’t it be a 10th of what we get on sport. I live in QLD and ABC radio will daily go into every detail on sport that might be happening in the next 24 houts - not to mention wall to wall sport on weekends.

      Why is it seen a virtue to know all sorts of obscure statistics in sport (esp. cricket) but when it comes to politics journos and presenters all pretend we dont understand it and don’t care. The journos come across as being so above politics, as if they know better. (Another thing they seem to do is all report the exact same line for the day).

      Crickey have done ok as they were about the only ones doing anything more that token politics. Pity it was soooo far left. I went there last election as it was the only place, but would gladly go anywhere else. Shows like ABC’s Insiders show people want more (and they just sit around and talk)

      We need more scrutiny on our politicians (we’ll probably then start sorting the lightweights from those with substance). More coverage of parliament - what bills are going down and who is saying what and having a good day.

      We get every report on groin injuries for footballers all week, but then just get the one Rudd/Turnbull spin line of the day from all our journos…

      The number of people on this site wanting to live blog Question Time show we want more. No one has done it in a balanced way before but a lot of us want it. More politics please.

    • Judge Maggot says:

      01:42pm | 05/07/09

      What’s working on the site? The ads
      What isn’t working? Everything else

    • Grumpy, Narre Warren says:

      04:28pm | 05/07/09

      I’d love to join up for The Punch daily but you want to hawk my email address to anybody who will send me rubbish that you can cash in on!

      Thanks, but no thanks.

    • Ash says:

      02:38am | 06/07/09

      Maybe you should also pay your contributors.  Then you would have to beg less political staffers to write fluff pieces for you.  The irony of News Ltd not paying journalists and writers while contemplating moving to a user-pays system… ha.

    • Tank says:

      01:03pm | 06/07/09

      Crikey…. hahahaha!

    • Matt says:

      04:06pm | 06/07/09

      Crikey’s piece on ‘Della 4 premier’ today is the most removed from reality political analysis I’ve seen since Dennis Shanahan pre-poll efforts 2007.

      We need some decent political analysis in the blogosphere. Don’t care if it’s left, right, labor, lib or green as long as it’s smart.

      There is so much crud in Oz political blogs. Got high hopes for you guys.

      I’d like to think that most people here don’t read and engage solely to feed their prejudices.  There seems less ‘4 legs good, 2 legs bad’ style political party barracking on this site compared to other newspaper blogs.

      All in all good work Penbo.

    • Shelley says:

      05:32pm | 06/07/09

      I’m enjoying the site. I love the politics. Many of us have an interest in hearing from those that we elect and don’t have the patience for the daily ‘spun’ PM press release. An opportunity to question for ourselves is fantastic. Now if you could just somehow get the pollies to answer honestly…
      Anyhoo, add more sport if you must. Personally I think the Australian media is already drenched enough with the stuff and will just pass on by.
      The layout at yahoo message boards isn’t bad if you want to upgrade how your topics are accessed.

    • compaq says:

      11:43pm | 06/07/09

      It’s telling that within a few sentences you compare yourself with Crikey. Personally I think the comparison is spurious. Comparing monthly hits is ridiculous. I look at Crikey every day. I looked at your site maybe twice in the whole month. Does that count the same? I’m happy to pay Crikey to email me every day. I certainly wouldn’t pay to have this site send me anything. With massive cross-promotion from all News Ltd sites, you would be doing very poorly not to get 200 000.  I could have forgiven you all this but using Tim Blair to bolster your ‘argument’ has me counting down the days until you fold. I give you 3 months.

    • Huyana says:

      04:11pm | 11/08/09

      Your site is very good. Thank you for the opportunity to sign your guest book.
      I am from Australia and also now’m speaking English, give true I wrote the following sentence: “These handsome clocks, feature reproductions of original watercolor.”

      Best regards grin, Huyana.

    • shari says:

      11:53am | 12/08/09

      More political commentators, less politicians please.
      The New York Times site is clean, slick and easy to navigate - can you list the stories at the top rather than having us scroll down to see what’s on offer?
      Topic sections like politics, pop culture, food, football could tidy things up a bit. At the moment it’s like looking for a matching pair of socks in the washing basket…

    • Gibbot says:

      09:36pm | 12/08/09

      I’m really impressed with your increasing willingness to not only allow the right of reply to the contributions posted, but to post rebuttal.

      As you’re a News Limited site I was initially sceptical, thinking the Punch would become an expanded version of the Bolt/Blair/Ackerman blogs in attempting to shape public opinion, as opposed to informing and reflecting same. I am very glad to be proven wrong, and am enjoying watching the site evolve. The quality of the public’s commentary is testament to the balance you’ve struck - I can’t remember reading a comment containing the phrases ‘left/righttard’ or ‘sheeple’ (they’re probably there, but in nowhere near the frequency one would expect).

      I have one suggestion. How about enabling html coding?

 

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