The debate over climate change is an odd one in that you have to back an argument of zealots on one side or the other to make a policy decision – middle ground is not really an option. 

The Australian's Kudelka on restarting the ETS

You have to either accept that the there is such a thing as global warming caused by carbon emissions and is a threat to the planet and our lives or you don’t. Given that most of us don’t actually know anything about climate and weather we have to believe one or other group of people who claim they do.

The thing about the Emissions Trading Scheme as it stands is that neither side agrees that Kevin Rudd has it right, which, unlike most debates in this country, is an indicator you have it all pretty wrong.

Take Wilson Tuckey and Bob Brown for instance.

If you don’t believe climate change is happening then, like Wilson Tuckey and other Coalition MPs who agree with him, then it is consistent position not to support an Emissions Trading Scheme or any other policy that forces a reduction in carbon emissions.

If, like Senator Bob Brown, you do believe that climate change is a man-made reality and it is indeed a genuine threat to the planet and the human race you attempt make real changes that will combat it.

The Greens have a policy of a minimum 40% reduction in Australia’s greenhouse gas emissions on 1990 levels by 2020 with zero net emissions by 2050., with Brown recently launching a new campaign saying as much.

This policy is a legitimate one from a party that believes that climate change is a reality and that the best way to combat it is make real reductions in our emissions.

In contrast to these two positions on an ETS we have the Rudd Government’s ETS emmissions policy: a commitment to a 5% reduction in green house gases at year 2000 levels by 2020.

Basically this commitment is a couple of cow farts away from doing nothing at all, and while the ETS is still set to cost us in the pocket, it doesn’t match the rhetoric of climate change being “the greatest moral, economic and social challenge of our time” as Kevin Rudd has characterised it.

It is a middle-of-the-road decision in a domain we are being told by the Prime Minister himself that there should be no middle road available.

The Climate Change Institute have defended Kevin Rudd’s proposal, saying although the 5% target is nowhere near enough, an international agreement will pave the way for greater reductions, at least as big as or higher than the 25% non-compulsory target.

That is a pretty hopeful assumption.

The Government’s “if there is a good agreement at Copenhagen” line is dodgy for two reasons: firstly the “secondary target” was only lifted from 15% to 25% as part of a broken promise to delay the introduction of the scheme from this year to next.

It is also a hand washing exercise that leaves it up to there being an international deal struck and is reliant on a set of conditions that may never be approved by the Australian Parliament.

The self-evident sillyness of Kevin Rudd crowing about 60% 2050 target when he may no longer be on the planet himself, letalone Prime Minister, is not really worth evaluating.

Unlike other policy arguments where half-way and watered down compromises reflect not only political reality but a sometimes well struck ideological balance, to invoke the language of “moral challenges” shouldn’t leave much room for political expediency.

If you believe that something is a moral challenge it’s because you have come to a conclusion about its inherent worthiness and you act on it because you have no choice but to do otherwise.

In reality though almost the Rudd Government’s ETS bill has been driven by politics and not a desire to overcome what it accepts is a serious threat to the planet.

The Prime Minister’s behavior in this area has been well noted by senior political and economic commentators, such as Ross Gittins who has implored Rudd to lose his “political virginity” by actually making a decisive and possibly divisive decision on the ETS. 

The Coalition has hardly been a leading light on the issue. Malcolm Turnbull recently released a half-baked alternative that Malcolm Turnbull wants as policy but can’t sell to the party room. 

But there is at least a purity of argument within the Coalition on the existence of man-made global warming and an ETS: those who don’t believe in climate change don’t want an ETS, those who believe do.

Ultimately though it’s Rudd and Penny Wong who are in control now and the one who gained a great deal of political mileage from climate change in the election campaign, so merely drawing attention to the shambolic behaviour of the Opposition will only get them so far.

An ETS aimed at serious targets like 40% would cost us a bomb and force a lot of people to lose their jobs, so you’d best hope this climate change thing doesn’t turn out to be a complex version of the Y2K bug.

If climate change is real then it could cause a lot of people to lose their homes and lives in the coming decades - not to mention the damage to the environment.

The ETS before us puts a bet on each way in race where that choice simply isn’t allowed.

I’m pretty sure that Kevin Rudd believes in climate change, it’s just that he obviously believes in Kevin Rudd being Prime Minister more.

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    • Rationalist says:

      07:33am | 24/08/09

      Socialists like the Greens are nuts, they want 90% emission cuts in the next 10 minutes!

      The only reason this is so prominent is because all of the old hard left (now environmentalists) are coming out of the woodwork. Since they lost the cold war there has been little success in their quest for recentralisation and elimination of the bourgeois.

    • pete says:

      11:27am | 24/08/09

      aaah politicians what was once written by stephen Doods the author? 

      “Politicians dont believe in country anymore or conscience, only political expedience,  They cite their principles as an anchor, but when the wind changes they pull up anchor and head off in new directions”

      How very true,

    • pc says:

      12:29pm | 24/08/09

      aaah the rejectionists what was once written by dude the commentator

      :rightardation

      how very true

    • Margaret Gray says:

      01:48pm | 24/08/09

      “...You have to either accept that the there is such a thing as global warming caused by carbon emissions…”

      In deference to the author who is just using the commonly accepted AGW parlance, the ‘debate’ can’t even get the simple nomenclature right.

      You do not emit ‘carbon’.  Carbon is an element.  It DOES NOT exist on this Earth in its elemental form.

      Therefore ‘Carbon’ CANNOT be emitted.

      If something this scientifically and empirically simple cannot be used properly in any discussion on emissions, why should I listen to the rest of the pro-tax, ‘we’re all gonna die’ debate?

    • Vincent says:

      01:55pm | 24/08/09

      Rudd is more concerned with getting Turnbull back and making sure he loses his job as opposition leader! Labor are doing everthing they can to remove him..smear smear smear all the smear is created by Rudd and his robots. Once they’ve acheived that then they will get back to running the country. It’s all very very sad and personal with this Government!

    • stephen says:

      02:12pm | 24/08/09

      Why do we need to prove anything with respect to global warming. Give our planet the benefit of the doubt ( that carbon emissions cause global warming.) The ‘use and abuse’ mentality we have toward all things needs changing.

    • pc says:

      03:29pm | 24/08/09

      I am afraid Vincent that it is not smear. Turnbull was certainly involved in a scripted senate committee and probable conspiracy with Godwin Grech. It IS as bad as it sounds. It sounds even worse when it is piled upon the other examples of his unprincipled adventurism. This is relatively unimportant when compared to the passage of the ETS. The reason the right are so opposed, and still like to insist the debate isnt over or in fact hasnt begun, is because while it will certainly create economic and policy problems for the government its success will create several generations who associate the tackling of the problem of climate change with Labor. So long as it works, the Liberals can look forward to being the party of no for a long, long time after Malcolm Turnbull has put his guns in the ground.

    • Glen says:

      05:31pm | 24/08/09

      I agree with Vincent in that all labor is concerned with is smear.  I’d also add ducking issues, responsibility and any discernable action.  I’d disagree with Vincent’s proposal that when labor has achieved the disposal of turnbull they will return to running the country.  Firstly politicians do not rn the country, they set the rules and bignote themselves but it is business and the people that run the country within the rules.  Secondly he is only good at smoke and mirrors (e.g. the ETS) so they will imply turn on someone else.

      I’d alo disagree with PC in that labor will not gain many years from association with climate change as people have very short memories.

    • JB says:

      05:49pm | 24/08/09

      @PC i’m glad to see that politics isn’t driving your opinion on this.
      I suggest you educate yourself on the matter of an ETS by heading to Steve Fielding’s website and reading the responses Penny Wong gave to his serious questions about man-made Co2 and why an ETS is the answer.
      If Wong can’t answer that in less than 100words than she doesn’t know what she’s talking about, nor does the entire government.
      If you want a second opinion read some of the articles on this site about the ETS.
      Now I think its important to take a look at other spin-machines in Australian politics that are finally running out of hot air after managing to fool voters for 14years without anything of real substance to show for it - the NSW Government for instance - and then tell me that the Rudd Government isn’t also about headlines rather than substance. How do we know we aren’t going to get the same inaction? When he came into power Rudd launched 160 seperate reviews, commitees and inquiries including the 2020 summit and the Henry Tax review. This is a great way of delaying action on issues because his government had no ideas on how to shape policies (hence the need for the Cate Blanchett hug-fest known as the 2020summit).

      Needless to say, his promise of ending the blame game on health and wrestling hospitals from the states after 18months was brilliantly dusted under the carpet. Only more inaction on the issue, but my word it’s great politics. Then there is the backflip from Rudd the ‘economic conservative’ just like Howard in the 2007 election to the magically reincarnated ‘social democrat’ saving Australia from 30years of ‘neo-liberalism’ that included economic reforms undertaken by both Labor and Liberal governments since the time of Gough Whitlam.
      Do you think his convictions that shape policy are driven by a deeply thought out and unmoveable belief,or polling?
      I can also remind you of the failure of three “different” NSW Labor Governments to deliver a T Card, the numerous promises on fixing hospitals, privatising electricity (1997, 2007/8), and of course the huge headline annoucements on new public transport infrastructure spending that has delivered squat except more buses to drive up the cost of maintaining roads and a few way-over-budget tunnels.
      To be fair, all sides of politics love spin, but you’ve got to be honest with yourself.  Attack the policies not the people.

    • KZ says:

      06:14pm | 24/08/09

      Us heretics need to be wary with our contrary opinions to Rudd the Messiah, and the gospel according to labor.  Labors eroding of our social fabric may eventually result in the end of free speech.  Censorship through the internet is already in the mill.

    • pc says:

      08:04pm | 24/08/09

      No matter how much bleating is done by those who live in the NEWSCORP world, there is a scientific and popular consensus that climate change is occuring, that its human driven and through measures such as reducing carbon emissions we can alter that change.  I dont care how much you rattle on JB, and I admit Im not entirely sure that my brain was prepared for your lack of coherence., until you acknowledge these truths you will remain completely irrelevant,  much as the Liberal Party presently is.

    • cat says:

      08:50pm | 24/08/09

      @pc
      the scientific consensus to which you refer is irrelevant as there are scientists who say ‘our data indicates there is climate change’ and there are those who point out that the Mars icecaps are melting and the changes we may or may not be going through are part of the planets’ natural evolution. As for the popular consensus - once you accept that the majority of the population is unintelligent, unquestioning, non-thinkers then you will realise that we can not simply roll over and play dead while the gov’t does what it wants. It suits the gov’t (all gov’ts) to have sheep to lead. People can adapt and evolve - isn’t that what your scientists have been pushing down our throats for the last 100-200years?

    • Tom says:

      09:00pm | 24/08/09

      @PC ... huh what are you trying to say? Odd way to start a comment. Get the feeling in this world driven by acronyms yours screen moniker is apt.

    • Kurisu Sonsaku says:

      09:08pm | 24/08/09

      @pc, science is not a consensus nor is it a democracy, it took 2 australian,  to debunk the ‘consensus’ that pyloric ulcers were caused by stomach acid and so we now have the discovery of Helicobacter pylori. I’ll repeat myself - science is not a consensus nor is it a democracy, can this simple statement penetrate your faith in the AGW/CC/Climate Event/Weather Event/ Climate Catastrophe religion you so embrace.

      You want me to reduce my carbon emmissions - sorry pc but i don’t excrete non metallic solid elements. You can do your part to reduce CO2 by not breathing out though.

      Yes pc the climate may change - it’s called natural climate change, its been occuring for millions of years and will be going on long after you are gone.

      Give it up - your quasi religion is getting unravelled every day, and i anticipate the day when the scorn that you and your zealots deserve is heaped upon you.

    • barsono says:

      09:52pm | 24/08/09

      Nice article Leo.
      It’s amusing how the comments reiterate your point about zealots on both sides.
      It doesn’t matter what you write about climate change, it never takes long before it becomes a political slanging match, a study of semantics or a case of bibles getting thrown around.

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      10:45pm | 24/08/09

      Sure…..The earth is flat, tobacco doesn’t induce cancer, 4 billion people don’t have an impact on the earth’s biosphere and anthropogenic global warming is a myth…..If it comes down to believing the scientists on the IPCC or a bunch of layman on this blog, I’ll stick with the IPCC thanks.

    • JB says:

      10:50pm | 24/08/09

      I enjoy the debate @PC but if you consider my response in light of the fact I think we should act on ‘man made’ climate change you may have to reconsider your current comments on this issue for a relevant argument. The particular incarnation of an Emissions Trading Scheme that the Rudd Government is still proposing, despite being defeated by EVERY non-Government Senator (ie: Independents, Liberals and Greens) just two weeks ago, is clearly not the answer we are looking for, as the above piece by Shanahan outlines.
      Because you aren’t arguing about anything to do with policies, I fear you haven’t read the article above at all, inlcuding this important line that characterises the current problem with the over-simplified debate on an ETS:
      “It (Rudd’s ETS) is a middle-of-the-road decision in a domain we are being told by the Prime Minister himself that there should be no middle road available.”

      I think it’s increasingly evident that Rudd is playing the politics of “YES vs NO”, as if his government’s policy answer is the ONLY way and that anyone who opposes him, be it the Greens or Liberals or Independents, are opposing the principles behind action on climate change. And yet it’s plain for all to see that Rudd’s ETS won’t do sweet FA to affecting man-made climate change.

      THAT’S SPIN, and it’s severely undermining widespread intelligent debate in Australia. It panders to the headlines, and the Sunrise Brekky audiences.
      All warm fuzzy feelings, no honest hard action.

      I’m not for political parties, I’m for pragmatic results. For instance, why hasn’t an actual carbon tax been discussed? A simple tax and an ETS aren’t one and the same.
      Good on Federal Labor for acting sooner than the Liberals on the issue of ‘man made’ climate change, as the Australian public put them into power largely for that reason; but they did want real action on climate change too.

    • Razor says:

      12:31am | 25/08/09

      “why hasn’t an actual carbon tax been discussed?”

      Because the economic impact would be devasting - unless that is actually what you want to happen.

    • pc says:

      10:10am | 25/08/09

      If anyone who reads punch is still undecided on the ETS, they are stupid, As for the rest,  I dont really feel its worthwhile trying to convince “skeptics” of something they chose to oppose regardless of the evidence and arguments some time ago. Steve Fielding is the perfect example of this and no Australian politician has done a better job of making a complete turkey of himself. Fortunately the senate will pass the ETS bill and you rejectionists can go on pretending you have something to say and punch will make you feel like someone is listening

    • BR says:

      02:36pm | 25/08/09

      @PC: I feel your inability to use the humble comma correctly, let alone the apostrophe, is indicative of the kind of moron who just believes whatever Labor tells them.

      You also prove without a doubt that you are nothing more than a climate change fundamentalist when you simply dismiss anyone who doesn’t share your view as “stupid”. Wow, brilliant piece of debating there.

      I guess the next step for you would be to go around beheading infidel “rejectionists”, and journalists who disagree with you.

      Scepticism is healthy, and debate necessary.

      One should never simply accept a few dodgy computer models, which have so far been wrong as gospel, which is exactly what you have done.

      If computer modelling worked as well as the Chicken Little’s of climate change claim, surely the lefty economists would have seen the GFC coming with their’ wiz bang modelling techniques.
      Funny how the conservative economists did though isn’t it.

      Also odd how I see far more level headed questions and answers coming from the sceptic’s side of the debate, rather than the ranting and raving of the likes of you, and these “scientists” whom no one had ever heard of, carved out a lovely little niche for themselves when they cried the “sky is falling”.

      Whether it’s real or not, I’m undecided, but I’ll be buggered if I’m going to listen to people who haven’t proved a thing, but have formed a “consensus” among themselves, politicians, or those who simply shout down anyone who disagrees with their usually uninformed opinion.
      I also don’t listen to the blind party faithful sheep such as yourself. All politicians are dogs, especially socialist ones, and if you can’t see that you are really stupid.

      Oh, and “sceptic” has no K in it.

    • pc says:

      03:24pm | 25/08/09

      If you think that what occurs on this website is debate contributing to the general sum of political discourse in Australia then you are stupid. In the case of climate change the world has moved on - if you havent been paying attention the debate has been going on for most of my lifetime and if you are opposed still it is because you are stupid or dont want to pay for it but are quite happy to let others do so.  I dont need to convince you of anything BR you are part of an ever diminishing minority, I do want you to know that I think your stupid though and thats pretty much the only reason I bother addressing rightards such as yourself, its immature and self indulgent sure but then its not as immature, self indulgent and naive to think that sincerity on a website like this has a purpose. Viva Revolution.

    • cat says:

      11:07pm | 25/08/09

      @pc
      Revolution would be going against the politicians, not with them.

    • pc says:

      09:49am | 26/08/09

      politicians are people too cat

    • tufduc says:

      01:52pm | 19/12/09

      Whatever happened to good responsible stewardship of our planet.

      May I suggest it’s been hi-jacked by the rich and famous, the politicians and celebrities, the greener than thou’s. These folks spare no expense for the biggest SUV, the biggest house, second house, third house…......etc,

      And then want the little guy to pay for their short lived extravegance in this world.

      But not to worry, there will be justice one day.

    • Paul Prentice says:

      09:14am | 16/12/10

      Now lets look at the word consensus,the word consensus is used to pressure people into bypassing individual thought..When people start coming to conclusions by consensus..there actually adopting a sheep mentality…The ice age ...Greenland was one green….you have to bypass historical facts, the school of Frankfurt was very clever in integrating its green ideology into marxist spin..If Julia Gillard said , climate change
      might not be true… bust we should take precautions anyway…then she might start wanting to believe in religion, just in case the big fellow does exsist…or her red ideology might end up in the red flames of hell…skepticism is your duty..
      blind faith is a sin..scaring young children they are going to hell unless they believe is wrong..telling young children the world is coming to a end if they don’t pay a new tax is criminal…DVD documentary ..The great global warming swindle..give your children both sides of the scam..there school will not..until those Labour criminals are put where they belong..in the middle of the dessert with no water…NSW just sold its power supply.for pennies..so the NSW labour criminals are cashed up for the up coming election,

 

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