Anyone who thinks multiculturalism is a flawed concept should take a close look at the Australian winter sporting landscape.

League, AFL or rugby: What's your poison?

When the days shorten - the summer code has just wrapped up with Sydney FC winning the A-League - sports fans speak different languages, congregate in different churches and worship different gods. Even the ball has a different name. Some call it Sherrin. Others, Steeden. To others still, it is Gilbert.

Such sectarianism would mean all out war in most countries. But here, fans co-exist peacefully. We are separate, yet united, by a common religion called football.

The closest we come to conflict is a smattering of militaristic language to depict one code’s incursion into the other’s territory (witness “battleground” western Sydney).

In winter it used to be that people followed only one code. But times have changed. For many of us, an occasional sampling of something different is like the Thai noodles or Indian curry that spice up our weekly menu.

Read the arguments, barrack for your code or bash the others:

Fox Sports execs will tell you that many customers subscribe initially to watch one major football code, then end up watching two or three. We are learning about, and in some cases learning to love, each other’s codes.

For all that, most of us remain one-coders at heart. To be a true convert to all three is as nonsensical as answering “all of the above” to a survey question about your chosen religion.

So. Having said all that, I’ve thrown together my best shot at a neutral appraisal of each code’s strengths, weaknesses and quirks.

My fence-sitting qualifications? Firstly, I write for Australia’s largest national sports magazine Alpha, where we give equal weight to the various codes (while tailoring our covers for each state).

And secondly, I grew up in Canberra, the nearest thing to a city where all codes receive equal billing. If nothing else, my Canberra upbringing makes me an expert in navigating roundabouts, devices as confusing to outsiders as our uniquely fragmented winter sporting landscape.

But for Gary Ablett’s sake, don’t take any of this as gospel (not that you would). Go in hard and put a plug in for your favourite code in this thread, or in the rants by the mad, one-eyed zealots that follow.

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AFL STRENGTHS
A unique home-grown sport which suits all body types, Australian Rules football is unpredictable, chaotic, fast, sometimes brutal and often breathtaking. Fans attend in droves in any conditions, and there are teams in each mainland capital. Grand Final day is the only truly unifying day of football on the national calendar, while the code’s administration is rolling in cash.

AFL WEAKNESSES
It’s anathema to say this to AFL diehards, but the game can be scrappy. Admirers see high art but in reality, it’s more Jackson Pollock. Also, despite numerous small-scale expat leagues, the game exports about as successfully as roo meat. The cashed-up administration has a combative, us-or-them arrogance which potentially alienates would-be converts, and the AFL has only one regional team (Geelong).

AFL QUIRKS
Most AFL fans are surprised to learn that the word “barrack” is little-used in the rugby league strongholds of QLD and NSW, not to mention the rest of the English-speaking world. And what about the team songs blared across the ground after each match, which a British colleague of mine has always amusingly called “gay show tunes”.

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NRL STRENGTHS
First and foremost, durability. This is the sport that can take a million hits and still rate its socks off. Why? Because rugby league is more entertaining each year, as big men become more agile and little guys more resilient. Rugby league has the only State of Origin contest that matters, plus two strong international rivals, which is better than none. It also has six teams outside Australia’s five largest cities.

NRL WEAKNESSES
The game can still be too structured and predictable, with five barging runs followed by a kick. Failure to successfully colonise two of the five mainland capitals is another weakness, as is a relatively low participation rate among school-aged kids. NRL crowds average around half that of the AFL, despite roughly equal TV ratings.

NRL QUIRKS
The universal practise of banging wheelie-bin lids in post-match dressing room celebrations. And the naming of past greats as official “immortals”, despite strong empirical evidence to the contrary.

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RUGBY UNION STRENGTHS
Rugby’s great strength is its international flavour. Our provincial teams play in three countries, while the Wallabies are second only to our cricket team as a big ticket international rep team. The sport itself can be fluid and exhilarating, when played in true southern hemisphere style. Emphasis on “can be”.

RUGBY UNION WEAKNESSES
If rugby is to win hearts, it must simplify its rules so that mug punters can understand why the ref just blew his whistle. Again. Also, too many games here now mirror the drab, stop-start northern hemisphere style. Rugby also suffers from a perception that it is a game of the elite, not the masses.

RUGBY UNION QUIRKS
The laws of rugby contain more words than the UN’s Universal Declaration of Human Rights. True story. Also, the NSW Waratahs are the only male sporting team I can think of in any sport that is named after a flower. Hang on, I just thought of the South Africa’s cricket team, the Proteas… anyway, it’s still weird.

Footnote: Let’s be clear - this is about the rows that erupt every year when Australia’s three winter codes get into full swing and not - repeat, not - to ignore the ascent of soccer, the sporting beast that has awakened from slumber and will make its presence felt like never before during this year’s World Cup.

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    • Bob H says:

      05:20am | 22/03/10

      Well done for trying to inject some interest into good old fashioned wobbly ball games.  These games are testament that in Australias’ past, there was very little to do for entertainment.  They have served us well, but now there are many less embarrassing and more stimulating entertainment options for example: the home shopping channel.  It would be best to put the wobbly balls into museums and let games only be played by historical re-enactment societies to show how quaint and silly we once were.

    • Castro says:

      07:01am | 22/03/10

      Anthony;  as a Canberran, you should know that your claim that the AFL has a team in every mainland capital is a lie.

      For shame.

      As for you, Bob; the only thing more boring and sterile than your comment is a soccer match.  Maybe an AFL match.

    • Ant Sharwood says:

      07:23am | 22/03/10

      Castro it would be a lie if that’s what I’d said.

      Here’s what I actually wrote: “I grew up in Canberra, the nearest thing to a city where all codes receive equal billing”.

      By “equal billing”, I mean more or less even coverage across all media and in the general hearts and minds of the populace. Which is true in Canberra.

    • Castro says:

      07:48am | 22/03/10

      What you wrote was “... there are teams in each mainland capital”.

      There is no team in Canberra; a mainland capital.  Aussie Rules has abandoned the ACT, and you, as a Canberran, should chastise them for that.

    • ant Sharwood says:

      08:05am | 22/03/10

      OK, fair cop. Didn’t realise you were picking me up on that bit. Funny thing is, even we Canberrans don’t really regard our funny little town as a proper capital. I was thinking of the big five cities, or as the poet AD Hope memorably called them “five teeming sores”.

    • PDaddy says:

      12:11pm | 22/03/10

      In summary:

      Soccer - world game (note: the majority of people are stupid)/riot prone/takes forever to reach any type of climax

      Rugby Union – represents elite classes/lots of cash/slow, boring & struggles to identify as an actual sport

      AFL – in amateur comps it is tough as but progressively metrosexual the more professional it gets/reminds you of women fighting over the last pair of panties at a lingerie sale

      League - meatheads/the strongest team sport there is on the face of the planet and epitomises masculinity in team sports/constantly evolving to suit increase in skill and ability….

    • Andrew says:

      01:33pm | 22/03/10

      @PDaddy:

      Soccer - agreed

      Aussie Rules - pecular Australian only game regarded as odd by everyone outside the Southern States.

      Rugby Union - casting aside elitism as it becomes more and more professional. Thinking mans contact sport.

      Rugby League - Best left to those who think to mountain goats butting heads until their hooves fall off is great entertainment. Rates very well, but then again so did Big Brother. Played only in a small number of backwaters outside of NSW and QLD.

    • KH says:

      07:18am | 22/03/10

      And where is the only real football code?

      If you use your hands, its not FOOT ball….......these are all rubbish.  Real football is the best - and with every country in the world playing it, I’d say it wins easily.

    • Steve Smith says:

      07:42am | 22/03/10

      It only took four comments for a soccer fan to disregard the footnote. I agree, real football is the best, but A-League is far far away from being real football.

    • Footy Fan says:

      08:11am | 22/03/10

      KH, In soccer you can score a goal with your head. Does that make headball? And some times you can score your hand. Does that make it handball? Or maybe it’s kneeball , bumball, and even wedding tackle ball, ouch! Oh! in some cases its diveball, draw ball and lot of times penalty shoot out ball.  Soccer has no logical claim to the word Football. Maybe it should be call MacDonald’s ball as it pay all over world.

    • rover says:

      08:22am | 22/03/10

      onya KH ... What is it with all this ‘football code’ rubbish? No where else on earth would you get away with calling rugby league ‘Football’ man i lol everytime i hear someone referring to ‘Football Codes’. And before someone brings out the history lesson on rugby codes etc i’m talking about common usage. And sports claiming to be Football when there clearly is only One Football.

      No surprise we were left out of this particular winter sport debate. We are after all still a ‘summer sport’ sidelined for half the year. We’ll only be a decent standard in the A-League when the season is 9 or 10 months.

    • Ausgaz says:

      09:39am | 22/03/10

      KH

      The goal keepers use their hands more than their feet.  What about “throw-ins”, pretty sure you use your hands for that.  Soccor has as much right to call itself football as do the rest.

    • Wazza says:

      10:26am | 22/03/10

      It’s true that while an AFL fan at heart, i do watch NRL, Super 14 & Premier league action on FOX regularly. I enjoy watching many sports.
      But i cant find a way to sit through an A League game, i may flick over for a few minutes, watch a half here or there but thats about it.
      Thats why Soccer was left out of this discussion because it’s a discussion on Autralian codes not World codes.
      As for use of the term “Football”, you say tomayto i say tomatoe, who cares other than you “Real Football” sooks!!

    • Luke says:

      10:48am | 22/03/10

      Has anyone told FIFA yet? Apparently the FOOT ball world-cup will no longer have any goal keepers…

    • Murf says:

      05:11pm | 23/03/10

      The popularity of soccer is evidence only that good marketing works - popularity is not proportional to quality, as stated earlier by Andrew in his reference to Big Brother. Also soccer already has a perfectly good name which everyone recognises - why confuse the issue by preciously calling it football?

    • Willi Kemperman says:

      02:29pm | 25/03/10

      Agree,
      The World Game, Football is the only game that is totally global, for both males and females at the elite level and should be top of your list.  Football is played with a round ball, not those egg shape things.  How can the other codes be called football when you mainly use the ball with your hands? Very strange.

    • Henry says:

      08:25am | 22/03/10

      Pointless argument.  With all these codes and soccer having been in Australia for 100 years or more the war has already been fought… and won.

      AFL is a clear winner.  Without providing the withering but boring examples of its smashing of all rivals - take the example of the Sydney Swans where it is common for them to pull bigger crowds to their game than the entire NSW RL round combined.

      The battle is for the number two spot in Australian sport.  I would say that RL is in front of Soccer with Soccer gaining rapidly upon them.

    • Macca says:

      09:21am | 22/03/10

      “take the example of the Sydney Swans where it is common for them to pull bigger crowds to their game than the entire NSW RL round combined”

      Well thats simply not true. The swans pull btwen 25 and 35 thousand each week. Thats admirable, but not on par with the numbers league get (admitedly across multiple games) in Sydney.

    • Sky says:

      09:40am | 22/03/10

      refer to AFL WEAKNESSES - us-or-them arrogance which potentially alienates would-be converts

      Case in point… apparently its not just the administration.

    • Tina says:

      02:48pm | 22/03/10

      I do not follow AFL because of people like Henry. I did have a soft spot for the Swans but I could not stand these under travelled nieve fans.

    • I_Exist says:

      09:00am | 22/03/10

      Call me old fashioned but Warhammer fantasy is way better then 40 000.  Guns over lasers any day.

    • question says:

      05:37pm | 22/03/10

      +1.

      100% agree with you. At least OUR game uses TACTICS! Not “oh look i have the most guns i winz!!!”.

    • Macca says:

      09:27am | 22/03/10

      The Greatest Code is Soccer (football), world wide participation etc. etc.

      Amongst our International neighbours, Union probably just tips League as the domestic competition is rather, well, international. And the Tri-Nations Union is a greater spectacle than the Tri-Nations League, although who doesn’t enjoy seeing us smash the Poms each year in the League!

      This is AFL’s greatest weakness, International Rules is a farce despite Australia’s love of getting on the national Bandwagon (2006 WorldCup and the Winter Olympics both perfect examples). Besides that, AFL is probably the healthiest financially, which is a pretty appropriate assessment of a succesful modern sport, even if you do still get a point for missing.

    • John says:

      10:09am | 22/03/10

      Macca, don’t be so quick to write off Australian Football. AFL for the record is also played Internationally, last year the 2009 EU Cup saw a record number of teams (15) competing for the right to be called European Champions and the winner was England if you’re interested. Final Standings?1. England (EU Cup Winners)?2. The Netherlands (Silver)?3. Croatia Knights (Bronze)?4. Spain?5. Scotland (Plate Winners)?6. Ireland?7. Finland Icebreakers?8. Germany?9. Iceland (Bowl Winners)?10. EU Crusaders?11. Andorra?12. France?13. Italy?14. Austria?15. Czech Republic.

    • Simon the Pieman says:

      12:36pm | 22/03/10

      John,...John, that international was a joke, to get in on one of the teams you just had to turn up and not even understand the rules, so I think we can disregard that farce.  AFL may be all consuming in the Southern corners of Australia but it is invisible elsewhere.

    • Gavin says:

      01:44pm | 22/03/10

      A few dozen drunken expats booting a ball around a park counts as an International tournament now,does it?
      AFL is a niche sport only in NSW and QLD where footy fans prefer their winter sport with a little more meat on the bones.
      36 giraffes in tight shorts bitch-slapping each other holds little appeal outside of the southern states.

    • John Ryan says:

      05:05pm | 22/03/10

      Dear John dont believe everything you that AFL house tells you

    • Markus says:

      09:29am | 22/03/10

      Fair call on some of the latest Rugby matches being way too Northernised.
      This season has looked to bring back the running game, and has made for a hell of a season so far.

      I still don’t understand the appeal of a sport where the pinnacle of achievement is beating some Queenslanders 2 games out of 3 once a year (or not beating them as the recent trend has been).
      Hell, in Aussie Rules the pinnacle of achievement is beating the guys the next suburb over every year.

      Watching the best of the best from all over the world compete for the title of world champion, the winner claiming bragging rights for the next 4 years.
      The satisfaction of beating the Poms in a game that they actually play (as opposed to the sham of League ‘international’ matches).
      I wouldn’t trade it for anything.

    • poseidon burke says:

      09:30am | 22/03/10

      A dimension not explored is which game is the best to play. I have played amateur aussie rules for 40 of my 51 years and think its great fun. I played union in Sweden and the USA because there was no AFL on offer. I played in the backs whcih has some similarities to AFL (kicking marking etc.). I dont think you can beat the thrill of timing a mark perfectly - th rush of jumping on someones shoulders and getting the dukes on the sherrin crshing down and then slotting the goal - its a thrill.

      UNion is very tough and not to be underesitmated from an aerobic fitness perspective. The after match of union was a hoot with all manner of ingeniously, ribald songs (anyone possessing the lyrics to the engineers song please advise) and the players were international (we had scots, fijians, swedes, serbians, and of course kiwis) well educated professional types in Sweden which was interesting. In the US the north eastern Colleges all have teams. I have played touch rugby which is as close to league as I have got and I found it not very interesting as a game to play.

      What is fun to play will ultimately have the base to succeed as a spectator sport.

    • Sky says:

      09:42am | 22/03/10

      Good article Anthony! I will say from the start, i’m a Rugby League boy from way back. I do watch a little AFL and even less Union… I would rather watch Soccer than both of those sports. I have see a few AFL and Soccer games live and absolutley love the chanting and singing of the team songs. It adds to the atmosphere 100%. I would love to see that in Rugby League.

      I think you have missed one of Rugby Leagues weaknesses. In my opinion Rugby League’s “leaders” need to stop dictating to, and gagging people who actually care about the game. They need to take a step back and listen to the players/coaches/fans and realise that maybe some of the ideas being thrown around are good one.  Call me crazy but Channel 9 and Fox Sports may not have the games best interests at heart.

    • Cooko says:

      09:57am | 22/03/10

      Tallest dwarf competition….

    • Simon the Pieman says:

      08:11am | 23/03/10

      Best comment winner to cooko

    • MJL says:

      10:05am | 22/03/10

      AFL is for all body types?

      Can’t see Shane Webcke or FuiFui Moimoi playing the game.

      AFL is for those weaker males who struggle at other sports that require co-ordination and a degree of skill.

    • Michael C says:

      03:37pm | 22/03/10

      MJL - FuiFui MoiMoi would probably have to drop about 10 kgs (there are, have been examples of roughly 100kg 6 footers - Josh Hunt at Geelong is one).  The players simply adjust their gym work to either build pure mass or not.  Bodies are developed or tuned as per the game and the role.
      That said, it’s very hard to find a fellow over 198cm in RL, whereas each AFL list will have 3 or 4 or more of such.  The main lacking in AFL in recent times has been guys sub 175cms - - but, this seems more due to the prejudices of recruiting staff against such players who are deemed too short (rather than proven too short!!! - an important destinction not often allowed to be tested).

      It’s childish to go on about ‘weaker’, and totally childish to suggest a lacking in co-ordination or skill in a game that compared to RL has much greater requirement upon co-ordination and skill due to the broader variety of skill and circumstance in a 360 degree game.

    • KJ says:

      10:05am | 22/03/10

      KH I belive the term football comes from the fact that it’s played on foot as opposed to horse back. That is why there are really dosens of football codes. And when our national team isn’t called the SOCCERoos I’ll stop refering Assosiasion Football as soccer.

    • A Dose of Reality says:

      01:13pm | 22/03/10

      KJ: Good to see someone actually knows what it is they’re talking about.  It is so repetitively boring when the soccer twats keep complaining and sooking that Aussie Rules, League and Rugby are also referred to as “football” (as they should be - they are the dominant codes in this country).  They may be further frustrated when they learn that the Association Football they follow is not the oldest of the codes (both Rugby and Aussie rules were codified - or had a book of rules defining what the game is - a lot earlier).

    • Ryan says:

      10:44am | 23/03/10

      It comes from when tries weren’t worth any points, all points came from kicking goals.

    • Be fair says:

      10:19am | 22/03/10

      My preference is AFL and always will be but I will watch NRL and probably some Union as well.

      To be fair Anthony, you should do a comparison of the summer codes for all the soccer (football) people. In this you can compare soccer (football) with the other 2 popular codes known as “watching the paint dry”, and “watching the grass grow”.  Could generate some interesting discussions seeing which is more popular.

    • BULMKT says:

      10:24am | 22/03/10

      Soccer:
      In a particularly rough tackle, a player was knocked unconscious. A first-aid man. ran over and began to sprinkle water in his face and fan him with a towel.
      Slowly the player recovered consciousness and said groggily, ‘How the hell do they expect us to play in all this wind and rain?’

      AFL:
      On a crowded tram going to the football game the fan resplendent in black and white colours had a large magpie tucked under his arm.
      Sitting directly opposite, at face level with the magpie, was an old codger flaunting a scarf in the opposing team’s colours. “They won’t let you take a pig into the ground ya know,” he said loudly
      “It’s not a pig, it’s a magpie ya doofhead,” said the fan in the black and white scarf.
      “I was talking to the Magpie,” said the old codger.

      NRL:
      Q. what do you have to do to beat the Sharks

      A. Walk on the field.

      Rugby Union:
      A rugby referee died and went to heaven. Stopped by St Peter at the gates he was told that only brave people who had performed heroic deeds and had the courage of their convictions could enter. If the ref could describe a situation in his life where he had shown these characteristics, he would be allowed in.
      “Well,” said the ref, “I was reffing a game between the Queensland Reds and New South Wales Waratahs at Suncorp Stadium. Queensland were 2 points ahead, 1 minute to go. The New South Wales wing made a break, passed inside to his lock. The lock was driven on by his forwards, passed out to the flanker who ducked blind and went over in the corner. However, the flanker dropped the ball before he could ground it, and as New South Wales were clearly the better side all game, I ruled that he had dropped the ball down, not forward, and awarded the try.”
      “OK, that was fairly brave of you, but I will have to check it in the book.” says Peter, and disappears to look it up. When he comes back he says “Sorry, there is no record of this. Can you help me to trace it? When did all this happen?”
      The ref looked at his watch and replied “45 seconds ago.”

    • GB says:

      11:50pm | 22/03/10

      Despite being a mad pies supporter, i found your comment the best!

    • stephen says:

      10:29am | 22/03/10

      What makes AFL an interesting game is the shape of the ball : when it hits the ground, it can bounce to any direction and height.
      It tends to chaos, and the difficulty for the chasing player is to bring order and structure to the ball’s play.
      The emphasis should be, to my mind, on the kicking game, and the mark then is used as a tactic to disturb the rhythm of play.
      It’s a very ‘abstract’ game and very exciting too.

    • Nobby Stiles says:

      10:53am | 22/03/10

      The first two sentences say it all really. AFL is a joke. No wonder nobody in grown-up nations i.e outside of Aus , gives a monkey’s about it.

    • Seano says:

      03:43pm | 22/03/10

      That’s exactly what makes is scrappy and boring most of the time. Grown men wrestling ont he ground shouting “ball” seems a bit sus to me.

    • Jenni says:

      10:35am | 22/03/10

      so long as i can turn my tv on any day/night of the weekend and watch a game, i really don’t care which code it is LOL ... although i *would* like union to be easier to understand wink

    • KJ says:

      10:38am | 22/03/10

      Spot on stephen, the reason I can’t watch international rules is the use of a soccer ball, it makes it all so easy.

    • Rod says:

      10:39am | 22/03/10

      Sorry - Rugby Leage has high participation rates for kids in NSW and QLD - more than Union and AFL. AUSKICK does not count as it is merely a kick-around at primary schools, not an organised weekend competition.
      You also downplay how exciting Rugby League is to watch on TV, and the fact that it had a ridiculously high % of games in the top 100 rated Pay TV shows for 2009. As for it being predictable, how many League games do you watch? did you catch the Eels vs Manly game yesterday and see some of the attacking passages of play? 
      Good article overall, and a subjective argument where there can be no winners grin

    • Mat says:

      11:07am | 23/03/10

      This Pay TV NRL ratings thing needs to be put in perspective - AFL gets played on channel 9 and 10 across the country, with each network choosing a game suitable to that market.  Hence, WA and NSW may get Freo vs the Swans live on FTA, with other states having it available on Pay, however they may prefer to watch the Crows and Melbourne which may be on at the same time instead as it’s more relevant to their market… therefor, the AFL ratings, while not the greatest on Pay, are simply those watching it outside the main interested states.

      NRL on the other hand is neglected by FTA (except for 3 measly games a week and SoO), so the only place to watch it is Pay TV - and there are your “bigger” ratings.

      Yours was almost a Roy Masters like comment - plucked from the air without looking at the whole picture…

    • Footballer17 says:

      10:44am | 22/03/10

      Interesting article, and one that comes up between mates all the time. But really lets be frank:
      AFL - is game that takes so many great athletes but does not have any form of international competition. Because of this I find it a bit of a myth, how can we rate our players in such a small pool of talent. On TV it is boring but live it can be much more entertaining. Passionate beyond belief, something Sydney siders will never understand.
      NRL - Full of thugs but much more entertaining than Rugby. Media has a great part to play in this code (just open the telegraph) but in reality it is quite predictable. Pushing in a scrum might add something different..? The media push in some cases is criminal, Channel 9 and FOx have invested so heavily they spend their time reporting on very little. Internationally it is a bit of a joke.
      Rugby - Is beginning to become a failure, I use to enjoy going to the SFS for some super 12, but too many rules, expensive seats and a kickathon has ruined the sport. I do love the international aspect of Rugby, testing ourselves with the world creates anticipation, passion and unity. Wallaby tickets however = $120 for 80 minutes ($1.50 a minute) to watch a scrum get packed, too many line outs and endless kicking. Certainly little value for money - running Rugby needs to return or people will vote with their feet. The crowds at Rugby are pathetic, no mongrel or atmosphere which makes a large stadium still quiet.
      We then look at Football (Soccer) which is getting traction but has not reached it’s potential by any means. The problem with the A-league is not the other codes it is other leagues around the world. As a fan we love to watch the “best” football and that is the premier league, Serie A and Primeria league in Spain. Quite simply we don’t have enough quality footballers to keep Australian interested in the local competition.
      Why is this..??
      Because internationally inept codes such as NRL and AFL take most of the best athletes, if only one of these sports die we would have better footballers, Rugby players and see an influx of others sports get some amazing athletes.
      For me it is about testing athletes locally (within Australia) but there has to be another level, international sport. Thats why Football and Rugby should win out everytime.

    • Sky says:

      11:38am | 22/03/10

      I vote Rugby dies first.. PLEASE!!!!

      I’ll die watching that rubbish. But at least it’ll be in my sleep i guess.

    • Marty says:

      09:09pm | 22/03/10

      AFL - is game that takes so many great athletes but does not have any form of international competition. Because of this I find it a bit of a myth, how can we rate our players in such a small pool of talent. On TV it is boring but live it can be much more entertaining. Passionate beyond belief, something Sydney siders will never understand.

      Hence Why its called Australian football rules… Not meant to be International as you say.

    • John says:

      10:53am | 22/03/10

      I love this world game spin from the soccer sheep. My understanding is that soccer is an English game. Spread around the world by the British Empire. So up until that time most of the world did not play a football game or was unable to invent one. Here in Australia while the rest of the world was sitting on its collective bums waiting for the English. We took the initiative and invented our own Australian game just like the English did with soccer and Rugby roughly about the same time or even earlier. The point is the rest the world was starved of choice. I am sure that if they had a chance to play Australian Football at that time the result would be different.

    • Footballballer17 says:

      11:14am | 22/03/10

      John, your a struggler - AFL will remain a game that no one plays internationally because it is simply not appealing enough. We cant even get the Irish to play it in it’s proper form.
      No one disputes where the game came from or it’s roots, the reality is the world has embraced football as the world game.
      What upsets me is we have done the American thing and invented games to play nationally. American football and baseball to a certain degree are good examples. The world looks at those games as a waste of time - They do the same with AFL mate.
      I don’t think anyone disputes the skill level and fitness of these guys but wake up - no one globally cares. The problem is AFL takes great athletes that could be mixing it will other sports on the world stage.

    • SLF says:

      11:22am | 22/03/10

      The English game was spread by the British Empire…...?

      So how come there are teams in Brazil, Mexico, Portugal, Spain, Greece, Algeria, Russia, China etc etc none of which have been part of a British Empire since the modern game of football has spread?  Could the game be there because it is simply the best game?

      As for inventing your own game, good for you. Shame you were too lazy/insular to tell the rest of Australia or the rest of the world about it. AFL has noone but itself to blame for not being played anywhere else, which is a shame as it is such a good game.

    • John says:

      12:24pm | 22/03/10

      Soccerballer17, you have an over inflated perception of the popularity of soccer outside Australia. Having been constantly exposed to spin from soccer fans in Australia, I wrongly thought than no other sport was play in Europe. On a recent trip to Germany and Italy I was shocked by popularity of other sports. “Shock horror” some Germans I meet even hated the game. Handball is very popular game in Germany and strangely they have American Football competition (Grid Iron). Surprise, surprise they even have Australian Football?League Germany. In Italy Rugby is very popular, more than the soccer lot would like to admit. The point is don’t believe the hype from the soccer types, Australian Football is doing quite well indeed.

    • footballer17 says:

      02:47pm | 22/03/10

      To John, No one is judging the popularity of other sports in Europe… your having a Barry here and clearly missing the point.
      Our discussion is around AFL and it’s inability to go global as sport, it is hardly recognised in NSW. When we talk global popularity football wins hands down even without the soccer ‘spin’ as you call it.
      What has AFL got..? an annual game against Ireland in which the rules a changed to suit where the home ground is.? There is no argument.
      Rugby league does have a world cup but out of the 15 teams only 3 are really in for a chance. I would say Rugby is the only one that comes close to a global football code but then you must discount South america (except Agentina) and most of Africa, Asia and Eastern Europe. Locally soccer or football as we like to call it also dominates junior sport - lets hope the FFA can consolodate this in years to come. We got rid of all the ethnic BS and finally we are getting mainstream sponsors… the sky is the limit.

    • John says:

      03:44pm | 22/03/10

      Soccerballer17, The fact that something is popular is not an indication of its value or quality.  As with MacDonald’s hamburgers everyone eats them but we all know its crap.

      I guess I don’t understand how anyone can get excited about one goal being scored during 86 minutes of play.

      I don’t understand why soccer players are so fragile. One minute they are being hauled off on a stretcher and ten minutes later the same guy is scoring a break-away goal!

      I don’t understand how 100,000 fans can start a fire and riot after a 1-0 contest. Maybe they looked elsewhere to cure their boredom.

      There is a lot I don’t understand about soccer too many to list here.

      Given a chance I think Australian Football or any other football code would grow to be more popular in the world. However the economic clout of soccer won’t let that happen.

    • John says:

      03:56pm | 22/03/10

      Simon and Gavin, well at least you agreed to the International statue of the game be it small. What even may shock you more is that there is an woman AFL competition in the USA. I know its hard to admit that Australian Football could be exported to the world. Its not big but is growing.

    • luke09 says:

      04:18pm | 22/03/10

      John,  As a once avid follower of Aussie Rules, I used to think exactly like you. But thanks to the AFL’s constant rule changes and the introduction of the A-League I decided to watched soccer for the first time four years ago and my thoughts have changed. The fact that scores are either level or 1-0 means any result is possible.

      I know many people who are losing interest in the AFL and can’t believe the AFL are having a team from West Sydney and Gold Coast.  It will be interesting to see if crowd numbers fall.

      I watch the AFL but no longer care who wins, the game of Aussie Rules is not the same.

    • GB says:

      12:04am | 23/03/10

      Footballer17 - you say we’ve “done the American thing and invented games to play nationally”. Seriously, read that back to yourself out loud. We’ve copied the Americans by creating an Australian sport? Wouldnt doing “the american thing” be to play American Football?

    • Leo says:

      11:08am | 22/03/10

      How can you say that ALF “suits all body type” and provide no evidence of such variety? Then, provide the evidence of this in Rugby League. The all body types argument is by the administration of the league to promote junior participation, but not supported by the top level teams.
      The Rugby League immortals are not a creation of the administration but a tool of a magazine to drive sales.
      And, is the AFL Grand Final truly unifying? It’s not. If you live in NSW or QLD you might tune in, you may even discuss it, but it’s not truly unifying.

    • SLF says:

      11:11am | 22/03/10

      As an immigrant it amazes me how worked up you all get about which one is best.

      Clearly soccer is the world game. It is played everywhere and in June there will be the biggest sporting event on the planet as teams from every populated continent try to become world champions. No other game can compete with this or will ever compete with this. The arguments that soccers is dull, do not stack up if you have a brain cell. It is a harder game to score points in than League, union of AFL so it will be low scoring. You have to put a ball into a small goal as opposed to crossing a line the width of a pitch or kicking a ball at any height through some posts. And yes the players can dive, but that never happens in leaguem, union or ALF does it?  Course it does.

      I also love league. It is a cracking game. Physical, skillful and powerful the game has it all.

      Same goes for union, although for the uninitiated it vcan be too hard to see what is going on. Unions main fault is that when played badly it is woeful, disjointed and stop start. A bad game of league is far better than a bad game of union.

      I am new to AFL, but I love it. It is tremendously skillful…which league or union fan wouldn’t want a fullback who can kick and catch like an AFL player?

      In short all of the games are fantastic and rather than argue about who’s game is better I would seriously recommend going to watch all of them. The crow, atmosphers and style of play makes for a very different game all in.  So this season this season I will be watching The Broncos, Red and Lions in the flech whilst waking up at ridiculous hours to watch Everton in the EPL. before embarking oh the greatest spectacle of all, the World Cup.

    • MJL says:

      11:52am | 22/03/10

      Kick and catch like an AFL player?

      They have horrible handling skillswith constanst fumbling and their kicking is woeful too. A point for missing FFS

    • SLF says:

      12:51pm | 22/03/10

      Yep. Who wouldn’t want a Fullback in League or Union who can take a mark like an AFL player?  I’d have one ion a flash as under the high ball they are literally head an shoulders above union or league players.

      As for league kicking, they are pretty pathetic at getting any form of distance when kicking to touch etc. Union is better, but not by much…

      A point for missing is the odd thing about the game I agree.

    • Mr Subramanian says:

      04:42pm | 23/03/10

      Yay! The most sensible comment of all! I love all sporting contests, and each of them has something to recommend them. Anthony’s done a bang up job of trying to cover their strengths, weaknesses and quirks. Super article!

    • Kim says:

      12:09pm | 22/03/10

      I prefer extreme ping-pong!

    • Sam Chowder says:

      12:51pm | 22/03/10

      I prefer Pickleball

    • Robert Smissen of Rural SA says:

      01:22pm | 22/03/10

      I guess any code is OK because it puts all the drunken knuckle dragging boof heads in one spot on a Saturday arvo, making it easier for the cops to find them

    • Kate says:

      02:09pm | 22/03/10

      Yeah, it gets us away from the pretentious tools who never quite got over the fact they got picked last in PE classes all those years back, and who regard sport and its fans as some sort of plague.

      I might be an AFL loving western suburbs bogan but I’d rather be that than a wanker.

    • Robert Smissen of Rural SA says:

      02:50pm | 22/03/10

      Sorry Kate, all my family are Lacrosse players(playing up to international level), a sport that is older than ANY football code, not to mention a lot higher skill rating & the fastest game on two feet. AFL football is PATHETIC! ! ! It is the only sport that still gives the poor babies a point when they miss the huge goals, just so the dont cry

    • stephen says:

      03:16pm | 22/03/10

      Lacrosse is a game for girls. (on Bribie Island too, which may give it its international flavour).

    • Sky says:

      03:25pm | 22/03/10

      That wouldnt make anyone any less a wanker im afraid Robert…

      just putting it out there mate.

    • Kate says:

      03:41pm | 22/03/10

      Robert, local footy matches are a good way to see the athleticism of AFL without the stuff people get annoyed at like staging free kicks etc - you really can’t accuse local players of being soft or babies, and if you do they’ll probably thump you.

      I too have played lacrosse and it’s bloody difficult, I’ll give you that smile

    • Robert Smissen of Rural SA says:

      09:45pm | 22/03/10

      Stephen obviously you have never played Lacrosse otherwise you’d know how skillful & tough it is, in fact I’d back most women Lacrosse players against all football players bar the professionals. Port Power would have won a lot more flags if Jenny Williams was coach instead of her wussy brother. Sky I’d love to see you come out to play our under 14 girls any day, never mind our league players male or female. To play lacrosse in it’s original form you play a game called “last man standing”, it means exactly that.

    • Kangaroo Jack says:

      01:24pm | 22/03/10

      Having played all three sports, I would like to make a few points.

      1. Rugby League (when played within the spirit of the rules) is the softest of all 3 games. I mean, the players trying to hit you are standing right in front of you. It’s not hard to avoid getting lined up. Contrast this with Aussie Rules where you can get wiped out from any direction (with or without the ball).
      2. Not even the players know the rules to union. It’s usually a case of blow the whistle and the players stand around waiting to see what happens next.
      3. Aussie Rules is easily the most physically demanding. This is obviously the case aerobically, but the hits you sustain are also much harder, mainly because they can come from anywhere. Every year while playing Rules, you’d get a league guy come along thinking they would just be the toughest guy on the field. Almost without fail, they are knocked senseless in their first game by a fair hit from someone they never even knew was there.
      4. Rugby League is the least skilful of the games (by a long margin). The hardest thing the players have to do is catch a ball thrown gently from a couple of metres away. AFL gets a bad rap for people not being able to catch the ball, but they are catching balls being drilled at them from 50-60 metres away with blokes dropping in front of them and another hanging off his back. If it was as simple as receiving the ball from two metres away whilst being tackled, none would drop the ball.
      5. it is a myth that the league players are bigger. Yes, the forwards are generally bigger, but they are also slow as a wet week and avoiding them is not hard. The backs, on the other hand, would be very small when compared to AFL players, who generally stand around the 6"4’ mark and weigh 90-100kg.
      6. AFL players have by far and away the best evasive skills, probably owing to fact that tacklers come from everywhere. The things league fans marvel at when they see Jarrod Hayne jinking around tackles are only amazing because it is rare to find a league player who isn’t on rail tracks and has the turning circle of a 747.
      7. Despite loving AFL more than the other sports and devoting most of my energy to getting better at it, I was always able to play league at a higher level. It was easier for me to make the NSW rugby league junior squads than it was the NSW AFL junior squads. Given that I was better at Rules than league that says it all.

    • stephen says:

      03:10pm | 22/03/10

      The injuries are different in AFL and League : the former tend to have flaccid bodies when they collide, so they suffer more tendon/ligament damage ; League players tense up in play, so they break more bones at a tackle. Also, the League playing field is flat : the players spend more time on a flat surface, which dictates energy resources and body tension. AFL athletes are trained to ‘fly’. Their range of skills is more varied, hence more interesting. Having said that, though, League is still a hell of a game.

    • PG says:

      03:38pm | 22/03/10

      Hits come from anywhere—tripe—how about the push in the back rule and the above the waist tackle—- the Poms call AFL Kiss and Tickle—says it all really

    • Michael C says:

      03:47pm | 22/03/10

      The NRL boys tend to carry (or at least did in the past) more body fat to help cushion the impact,...I remember when Wendell Sailor moved to RU they were surprised with his lack of fitness and his body fat.

      But - - again, each to what is right for the sport.

      btw - RL ‘hits’ are often over exaggerated - because, in reality, the force of impact is most often only from the guy actually getting tackled as he runs head long into his tackler(s) who is(are) standing still.  He then has no compulsion to try to do anything (other than NOT let the ball spill free).

    • stephen says:

      04:12pm | 22/03/10

      What, piss and tipple, did you say ?
      (‘Bout the only sport the Poms do play, except fer the one called ‘let’s go fer a whole week without havin’ a wash.)

    • Kate says:

      02:00pm | 22/03/10

      Totally biased Melbourne born AFL tragic here.

      While I do respect the ball skills required to play soccer, I feel like I’ve been cheated when I spend hours of my life watching a soccer match and the result is a nil-all draw. No wonder soccer fans in Europe start massive riots, it’s probably out of boredom.

      Many Melbourne people like myself grew up with little to no exposure to rugby league or union and as such have zero understanding, and probably zero respect, for these codes. I only just learnt the difference between the two. Plus from a female perspective, the players are such uggos compared to AFL players. I mean, they have no necks. Come on.

      Interesting that the playing of team songs before the game is listed as an AFL downside though - it’s one of the things I love most about going to the game, belting out the song with thousands of other people. Yes, they’re cheesy but it’s something you grow up with as a supporter and as a result it never gets old. I was recently in the US watching an ice hockey match and chatting to some New Yorkers who had never heard of team songs being played before every match, but thought it was a great idea.
      And if you disagree with me I can torture you with all three mismatched, oddly worded verses of the North Melbourne theme song.

    • SLF says:

      02:13pm | 22/03/10

      You feel cheated because a game is a draw with 0 goals? All that time in vested too….90 minuets plus a tiny bit of stoppage time…

      So, are you American, do you have ADHD, or both? To only take satisfaction from a sport where hundreds of points are scored, practically every time each team attacks and where you get a point for not scoring is a bit strange….A sport is dull then the best thing going for it is a huge amoung of points.

      It is harder to score in soccer, hence why the scores are lower.  Maybe they should give 1,000 points for evey goal scores and 100 for eveythime a soccer player misses the very small target he has to aim for….

    • Kate says:

      02:49pm | 22/03/10

      SLF - I’m an Aussie and have a very good attention span, thanks. I like that you can have high scoring games in AFL because I like the adrenaline rush that comes with goals being scored. It’s not actually that easy if a team has a strong backline. Soccer fans may get that same rush from almost goals, good for them if they do.

      I’ll also apply my rugby point to soccer - soccer players are 98% ugly. David Beckham, what a poonce. Give me Ed Lower or Jimmy Bartel any day.

      I don’t care about how good soccer fans think soccer is, or soccer versus AFL, because I don’t care about soccer full stop. To each their own. The manic soccer idiots that get up on their high horse about world game blah blah blah are missing the point (as are the AFL fans who feel threatened by soccer). It’s awesome that we have a diversity of sports here in Australia because you don’t have to watch something if you don’t like it.

      I think the point some people may miss is that this is an opinion piece, ie. people’s individual opinion and not the defining judgment on which sport is best. So of course we’re all going to disagree, that’s what makes it fun.

    • Daniel says:

      02:23pm | 22/03/10

      Whilst it is easy for fans of any code to point out flaws in opposing codes and features which help your code stand out above the rest; these are subjective opinions.  In order to really review the strengths of one code over another, you need to look at them all objectively and base your analysis on a set of equal criteria.
      When you compare the codes of grounds such as the ability to be played at a low initial set up cost by males and females of any age, beneficial opportunities available to the nation as a result of active participation, or financial rewards for professional atheletes, only soccer stands out.

      However, each to their own as they say.  I suppose it comes down to one’s outlook in life - local, regional or global.  There are people who never leave their city, state or country and who is to say they can’t lead a full and wholesome life?  The only risk with narrowing your scope of influences, comes in the fact that it may lead to stupid comments such as “all football fans like to riot and are hooligans”, or “all rugby supporters are thugs”.

      Whilst the A-league is a far cry from the Premier League of the UK or Spain’s La Liga; you pay for what you get.  It costs $25 to watch an A-league game, the highest paid player on the pitch may get $1M, which is a big difference to $300,000 a week salaries and $150 cheap tickets.  Still, 50,000 people turning up to this weekend’s match suggests the mainstream media has lost touch with what it’s audience wants to see.  Perhaps they need to change their vested interests and embrace change, or risk getting left behind by Fox/SBS.

    • Matt says:

      02:28pm | 22/03/10

      this is a completely subjective debate, where there will not be any result due to out & out parochialism.  I suppose that using a multisylable word outs me as a someone who prefers rugby union (and no I don’t have a double-barreled surname, nor do I come from the north side of Sydney) smile

      I think that most of the arguments are semantic.  In terms of the athleticism issue, these days it’s primarily a matter of differing training regimes.  In terms of the body types issue, this standardising more & more for each respective code and the (theoretical) ability for athletes to coss codes is far greater than it has ever been.

      Just about the issue of complexity.  I realise that it is hard for someone who has no basis in the game to understand union.  The difficulty is really around the breakdown (rucks & mauls).  However, all it takes is a little bit of explanation - if I can explain it to a 10 year old while watching Super 14 and have him tell me what the penaties were for by the end of the game, then anyone can understand it at a reasonable level.  Following on with complexity, could someone explain simply how the umipres determine what “holding the ball” and to a lesser extent “in the back” is?  It’s not consistant enough to allow someone watching to figure it out.  This is where rugby league has the advantage, it really is a very simple game to understand.

    • Sky says:

      03:31pm | 22/03/10

      Well explained… the game is still so boring to watch Matt.. lol

      Playing is different, but to watch it is painful (unless its an open game)

    • Early Settler says:

      03:08pm | 22/03/10

      It is unfair that the soccer fans entered the discussion.  Yes, it is the big one, participation, financially and viewing wise it is beyond our local games comprehension.  But please let this discussion of local codes, tiny though they may be in the scheme of things, continue without rubbing our noses in it.

    • James says:

      03:11pm | 22/03/10

      The number of football (soccer) fans in this country is on the rise. There is no doubt about that. Many whose parents followed the other codes.

    • Michael C says:

      03:37pm | 23/03/10

      There’s always been a huge number of soccer fans - - however, translating that to domestic league interest has always been and still is the challenge.
      The HAL crowds have been nose diving since V3.  MVFC in V2 avg’d 32K at Docklands (H&A) and is now down to 20K despite continued on field success.
      Crowds don’t seem to ebb and flow relative to onfield performance as would be expected.
      Perhaps the GFC has mostly hit soccer folk…...or, perhaps soccer is only something to go to during the off-season…....which’d explain why SFC could only draw 13K to a home final at SFS up against NRL.
      Stand by for Domestic T20 Cricket to become the biggest summer sport…...oh, that and any MVFC home GF under the roof!!!

    • luke09 says:

      03:23pm | 22/03/10

      I used to enjoy watching Australian Rules Football for many years but the current AFL version is like watching basketball on grass and I no longer care if my team wins or lose. It annoys me when they change the rules of the game every year. With the expansion of Gold Coast and a team from West Sydney the game is heading towards disaster and risks losing spectator appeal. There is talk of a final with nine teams, how riduculous.

      I never used to watch soccer(football) but do now because of the A-League here and now watch the English Premier League on FOX. It is exciting in a very different way. The game in England is fast and skillful with amazing athletes.

    • Seano says:

      03:52pm | 22/03/10

      AFL is now banned in my house simply because of the arrogance of Victorians when I lived down there to every other code. Not such a loss tho. since the game itself is very over rated and any AFL who thinks that their dull game is going beyond these shores is dreaming.

    • Northerner says:

      05:06pm | 22/03/10

      @Seano - agreed   but I don’t think it even goes beyond the Southern states

    • Seano says:

      10:36pm | 22/03/10

      That’s true.

    • Michael C says:

      03:24pm | 23/03/10

      Mate - there’s enough examples now of clubs established overseas by fellows who:
      backpacked thru Australia for a few months and headed back home,
      studied in Sydney for a year and headed back home,
      caught even just one game on TV or internet,

      etc.

      It’s not for everyone - - but, we now have international footy expats growing the game - such as the Icelandic fellows who learned the game in Denmark and have returned home to Iceland and have started up footy there.

      Growing beyond these shores - well, it’s happening.  It’s not easy - but, the internet age makes it a damn sight easier than it ever has been.  The AFL has been struggling to keep up.

      YOu banning it in your house hold is a real mature act.  If you have kids it’ll probably just backfire on you.

    • Seano says:

      07:28am | 24/03/10

      Mate you’re making it up. A couple of blokes who kind of like it do not make an international code. The biggest factor against AFL is it’s a crap over rated game.

      Banning AFL in my house may not be mature but then AFL’s treatment of every other major code in this country is hardly mature, so turn about is fair play.

      As for my kids picking it up! Bwhahahahahaha….my kids are far too discerning to waste their time.

      Keep Dreaming.

    • Michael C says:

      04:04pm | 24/03/10

      Seano -

      and just how does the AFL treat every other code in this country???

      btw - never said it makes AFL an international code - however, the point is that A. it’s not just exPat Aussies (as WAS the case for quite sometime) and B. it can and does appeal to people not buried in the ancient Sydney-Melbourne rivalries that has bred a deep suspicision (if not hatred) b/w those of the Rugby (League) persuasion and those of the Australian Football persuasion.

      RL can always scrape together a team anywhere there’s RU - - it’s not so simple for Aust Footy.

      The simple fact that we get 12-16 national teams of non Australians and non Aust expats pay their way to come here every 3 years to play off in the IC and to have the chance to play the GF on the MCG…....that’s something that 20 years ago would never have been dreamed of.

      It’s still not an international code - however, if RL is deemed to be - then, there’s a potential. 

      You don’t have to like it - however, one thing that you should respect about it is that for international players/fans of the game - ALL roads lead ONLY to Australia…....well, ‘elite’ roads.  Obviously when Denmark, Sweden and Germany play their tri-series, then no roads lead to Australia…...but, y’know what I mean.

      Anyway - dislike the game if you must.  But - rest assured, it does have appeal.  We’ve already seen a Canadian WC RU rep beat a path to Sydney, and an American basketballer with a soccer background beat a path to Collingwood.  It does have appeal - - one of the main factors is that for guys who grew up playing a combination of any of Rugby, or US football, or soccer, or basketball, or volleyball - - Australian football is a single game they can play that draws upon pretty well the full range of attributes (other than headers!!!!).

    • Seano says:

      06:53am | 25/03/10

      The respect given to other codes in Victoria is zero. You get fair coverage for your silly game up here but it does work the other way around.

      You arrogantly decide to ram another team into Western Sydney when the Swans made a 700K loss last year!! And Sydney cannot support one basketball team.

      You’re over selling this supposed international competition.

    • BTS says:

      04:00pm | 22/03/10

      Homer Simpson sums up soccer like no one else can when he became the referee for Lisa’s soccer team.

      Q: How did you become qualified to referee soccer?

      Homer: I watched 110 hours of soccer on DVD’s and do you know what?  Someone nearly scored!!!

    • Joe says:

      05:32pm | 22/03/10

      AFL for me. I’ll dabble in the occasional League game if its a big occasion, but I generally find it extremly predictable and repetitive. AFL has the right mix of skill, unpredictability and intensity to keep me interested. Soccer on the other hand is fantastic if i’m having trouble getting to sleep, its nearly as tiresome and dull as listening to its supporters rattle of the “its the world game” line.

    • John says:

      07:25am | 23/03/10

      Hear, Hear!

    • Max Power says:

      05:53pm | 22/03/10

      AFL is the only game that rewards mediocrit. Sorry Mate, you couldn’t kick it through the big posts, but geez you were close, so I will give you one point for trying. Next to no skill level required to play AFL.

    • BTS says:

      08:55pm | 22/03/10

      ...but of course, when you are kicking it throught the ‘big posts’ you have made it past a third more players than on a rugby field.  Lot’s of skill required to run into each other, huh?

    • GB says:

      12:19am | 23/03/10

      Max Power, your name was stolen from the Simpsons, and your comment was stolen from Jimeoin!

      The behind adds excitement to the game. If all scores were divisible by 6, it would be a boring game with a predictable outcome. Have you never seen a 1 point win? Wow! Best games!

    • Seano says:

      07:01am | 23/03/10

      Not a lot of skill in pulling your socks up for two minutes before kicking a behind.

    • Michael C says:

      03:24pm | 23/03/10

      ANd if you reckon a behind is a reward…...the opposition happily concede that to gain possession and control.  A behind simply helps off set the scoring - - and you could well argue that it should only be counted if and only if goals are level at the end of the game.

      Do you know what the Rugby folk did because they found it so hard to kick goals and too many games were drawn.

      They didn’t award a point for ‘missing’.  They awarded points for NOT EVEN TRYING.  i.e. a try was only supposed to give you the chance to try to kick a goal. 

      Suddenly you got points before you kicked.

      Then - - LOL - - then they increased the value so a ‘try’ became worth more than a goal, such that now we have goals called ‘conversions’ and they really are conducted as an after thought.

      Yup - skillfull game that - the new ‘goal’ of the game is to simply touch ball to ground of a line the runs - - now get this - - the ENTIRE WIDTH of the field.

      Gawd….........spare us.

      And as for soccer - - no qualitative measure.  Purely, anything by anymeans that goes in the onion bag gets counted.  It’s got less to do with the attacking merit of the ‘attacking’ team and really only relates to the ability of a single goalie to keep anything and everything out.

      Heck - how many soccer goals are ‘pure’ strikes anyway??  Now - tell me it’s not rewarding mediocrity to let a goal be counted if it deflects off people, off woodwork, is touched by the goalie, is kicked by the defenders…...

      In Australian Football - - the goal has a qualitative measure - - must be kicked - - so, the game actually rewards excellence and punishes mediocrity with a behind vs concession of possession scenario.

      A behind is no reward.

    • S.L says:

      06:29pm | 22/03/10

      Why didn’t anyone mention international rules? Biggest laugh I ever saw. Especially when an Australian was awarded a soccer style penalty in the game I watched at docklands and he had no idea what to do! What a turkey! Made a total hash of it when he had the option of kicking from the spot or punting it and in true AFL style he tried the later and rest is hillarious history….......
      I could say a few derogitory things about NRL but you can’t knock State of Origin. AFL and Union have nothing to match it.

    • Real Footy Fan says:

      10:34am | 23/03/10

      S.L, strange to bring this up, the skills that AFL players displayed with the round ball looked better than an A - League game.

    • Brent M says:

      11:45am | 23/03/10

      The world record 110,000 that packed Stadium Australia (or whatever it is now called) a few years back to watch the Bledisloe Cup match between NZ and Aust might have a different opinion as to whether there is anything to match State of Origin.  I used to enjoy Origin (still do, but not as much), until it became so sanitised.  Now Origin matches seem more like 10-15 minutes of huff and puff and chestbeating and then largely look like any average NRL game.  Not helped by the fact that you can apparently move to Australia from another country, where you may have already played football, yet still be picked as an Origin player within a very short space of time - kind of detracts from the whole idea in my view.

    • S.L says:

      05:16pm | 23/03/10

      Very good point Brent M I agree but the 110,000 for the Union was a one off where State of Origin is three times a year. You can’t deny the popularity of it compared to say the product AFL has tried over the years with little success which surprises me considering the average crowds at club games down south.
      The eligability factor for State of Origin is nearly as silly as country of Origin come World Cup time. As long as your best mates, cousins next door neighbour once past through said country you qualify!

    • Robert Smissen of Rural SA says:

      09:47pm | 22/03/10

      I’m glad to see that sexism isn’t dead in Oz the big brave men whilst the good little woman watches him.

    • John says:

      07:27am | 23/03/10

      One over paid armless soccer player passes the predictable ball to another over paid armless soccer player who then passes the predictable ball to another over paid armless soccer player, and on and on it goes for 80 minutes. Give me wobbly ball every time.

    • Cayce says:

      07:42am | 23/03/10

      League. Hold the ball for five tackles. Barge and bash you way up field then kick. Stand back then watch the other team do exactly the same thing. Boring . If some think Rugby is boring, what then do they make of League which is played in some pockets through Australia and a couple of places overseas. As for Aussie Rules. It is a game foreign to most northern state people and is played by southerners as it strives to make its mark (!) in NSW and Qld. Rules heavies have been trying for around 125 years to get their game established in the northern states and don’t try to tell me that the Swans and Lions show that the game is established in NSW and Qld. I wonder just how many local born people play for or attend Swans and Lions games to watch imported southern players in action. In the end, I suppose it doesn’t matter which code you follow as long as you enjoy watching or playing it.

    • Stephen Smith says:

      11:07am | 23/03/10

      Strikes me many people who’ve replied here take a little too much notice of the pathetic Aussie media who try and stir all this rubbish up.  Many people enjoy lots of different sports, without resorting to juvenile pissing contests as to which is better.

      The one that makes me laugh the most is the assumption that League (and AFL to an extent) are “manly” sports - as if the litmus test of manliness is being able to belt the crap out of someone else!  Little wonder some of these guys hit their womenfolk. 

      One more thing - to Stephen a while back who thinks the “Poms” (racist word by the way) can’t play sport.

      Ashes - England
      RUWC - England beaten Aus at the last 2 WC’s
      League - I’ll give you that one (though no-one cares in the UK, and I think NZ are World Champs?)
      Olympics - Britain more medals than Aus
      Football - England reached qf’s in 2006, Aus R2
      Motor Racing - Jenson Button world champ (and Lewis Hamilton before him)
      Tennis - I think we had a chap in the Aus Open final did we not? (Ahh, that’s right - he doesn’t count cos he’s a Scot!  Ok then - you can’t claim Tatiana Grigorieva/Kosta Tszyu/George Gregan or any of you rmany overseas born Leaguies)
      Boxing - David Haye (World heavyweight champ), Carl Froch (Super Middle), Amir Khan (super lightweight) Aus - Michael Katsidis (lightweight).
      AFL - fair enough…Aus world champs

      By the way, if we don’t wash as often as you, its because we don’t smell as much! wink

    • S.L says:

      12:16pm | 23/03/10

      Fair assessment Mr Smith but I think you’re clutching at straws here too. In F1 which most die hard petrol heads don’t care about here 2 World Champs and 3 GP winners out of not even 10 Drivers in 60 years aint a bad ratio. How many successful F1 drivers compared to also rans has the Old Dart produced?
      Why can’t we claim George Gregan? His dads Aussie!

    • Michael C says:

      03:11pm | 23/03/10

      What makes Australia pretty damn special is that for a country little over 200 years old, and with many cities not even that (Melbourne in particular is still 20 yrs off that mark - - that Australia with about 1/3rd the population of England is such a player in world sports.

      This despite being so far from anywhere - unlike say a Qatar which is in the cross roads of the world and underwritten by massive oil wealth.

      SO, for Australia to host 1 of 4 Tennis grand slams everyyear, 1 of a dozen or more F1 GPs and 1 of however many MotoGPs and other annual international events - - - that’s pretty cool.  THat we’ve twice hosted the summer Olympics in 2 different cities.  That we’ve had world champions and olympic medalists and champions across a huge array of sports including winter olympics - - and throw in an America’s Cup and cricket etc etc.

      We do okay.

      And that we have our own indigenous code of football too….....means we can engage with the world and we can also do our own thing.  That’s kinda cool - - a bit like having a healthy domestic comedy scene, music industry and movie industry.  Okay - the AFL is probably healthier than those combined…..

      .....anyway - I reckon it makes Australia pretty damned fantastic.  What annoys me is people who put down Australian Football just because it’s Australian, but, in reality, snobbery applies with how euro soccer snobs look down on the domestic soccer and likewise basketball.

    • Stephen Smith says:

      03:41pm | 23/03/10

      Damon Hill, Nigel Mansell, James Hunt, Jackie Stewart, Graham Hill, Jim Clark, John Surtees, Mike Hawthorn - thats 10 world champs and 14 titles between them.  More than double that of any other nation!

      PS Of course you can have George…so we’ll hear no more about Kevin Pietersen, who’s mum is English!

    • S.L says:

      07:13pm | 24/03/10

      Are we talking England or Britain here Smithy? Jim Clark and Jackie Stewart are Scots! If I wrote the names of all Englishmen who merely competed I’d getting writers cramp. (a hard task on a keyboard I presume).......... Compare that number two your real figure of 8 world champs and 9 titles.

    • Nathan says:

      03:59pm | 23/03/10

      Here is my salvo.

      1) “Grand Final day is the only truly unifying day of football on the national calendar”  What are you smoking? Those AFL numptys spend all day bent over, slapping the ball around on the ground and getting consolation points for being crap at kicking. The only way anyone can get hurt is through some cat hitting them from behind or by a player falling their head. “AFL is a hard mans game, because you can get knocked out when you’re bent over chasing a ball you just dropped and you run into someone else bent over chasing the ball you just dropped” Pfft. Also, Gary Lyon cried when he hurt himself… enough said.

      2) The “world game” just isn’t. It doesn’t matter in Oz,  NZ, the US or Canada & baseball rules in Japan. It is big among countries that cheat their way to victory like Italy (world cup) and France (v Ireland). Maybe after Henry’s goal it can be renamed handball… or Maradonna’s goal… or thousands of others. It might also be called ‘theatre sports’, or ‘Grass Diving’. My biggest problem with it is the culture. It’s played by cats and fakers, who get rewarded by dodgy FIFA refs. There’s just no honour in the game.

      3) Union is for rich kids. What do they play at Melbourne private schools, deep in AFL heartland? Union. My home town had two private schools, and a two team union comp. Coincidence? Big insurance companies sponsor local teams that no-one turns out to watch. Coincidence? No, it’s not a coincidence.

      4) League is the king of the codes.
      i) You can actually get hurt without falling over or being the victim of a cheap shot (see AFL).
      ii) It has rules, rather than the referee’s general mood, like in union
      iii) Anyone suspected of taking a dive is rightly beaten and abused as they lie on the ground.
      iii) State of Origin.

    • bob pratt says:

      04:57pm | 23/03/10

      Look, debate is fine but who do the Australian people think is right. Voting with their feet, the answer is AFL. By a big margin.

    • Murf says:

      08:22pm | 23/03/10

      AFL comes from Victoria whose kids grow up not knowing about anything else (indoctrination much like religions). I know because I had to live in Melbourne for three years in the ADF. Now as it is the “state on the move”, a lot of former Victorians are living in other Australian states and bringing up their offspring with the same blinkered mentality. It is similar to what has happened in Lebanon which forty years ago was a christian country and is now overun by Islam. It is a creeping, insidious replacement of what existed by something much less palatable.

    • Michael C says:

      04:20pm | 24/03/10

      Murf -

      funny - so many of the worlds kids grow up knowing only soccer and that is true sporting monoculture and indoctrination,

      whereas in Victoria, you need only look to Sydney to see Rugby, and we’ve have generation after generation of soccer immigrants come to our fine state.  Oh, Mark Schwarzer wrote a kids book about how tough it was for a poor little kid coming to Australia wanting to play soccer…......well…....it’s a damn sight harder even just for a poor little Vic kid moving to Sydney or London trying to keep playing footy…......but that’s changing.  Good thing too.
      Whereas - in Victoria in schools we’ve always had Union in the Private system, the catholic schools have always had soccer - and with interschool sports, kids good at soccer and footy were often forced to play soccer to make a team rather than footy with their mates….......it’s not all one way traffic.

    • Peter says:

      09:02pm | 23/03/10

      Isnt Fremantle a regional team?

    • Stephen Smith says:

      06:45pm | 24/03/10

      Michael C - the worlds “sporting monoculture” is, as you call it, is not necessarily the case.  Many countries have lots of different sports - in Europe, handball is popular - in Thailand, Thai Boxing gets huge crowds, and in Japan sumo wrestling is, almost literally, a religion.

      Just because there’s not a ball involved (of any shape) doesn’t make it a “monoculture”.  However, football (roundball) is played across the world for a good reason - it’s massively popular, more than any other sport - fact.

      I don’t care if people here love AFL, League Union or tiddlywinks - if that’s what floats ya boat, go for it.  What I cannot stand is being told one is better than the other - it ain’t, it’s just different.

      And reading some of the above replies only underlines the earlier point i made about how some feel aggressive sport underlines masculinity.

      When in reality, it’s just a penis extension for the mentally immature.

    • is he having a laugfh says:

      01:32pm | 30/03/10

      ‘the Wallabies are second only to our cricket team as a big ticket international rep team.’ LOL HAS april’s Come early this year.  The National Football Team outrate/outcrowd the whocarabies every time . 75K turn up to eatch Australia v Japan in an dead rubber while 3 days later the whocaresbies attract 10K to a game v italy.  If it wasnt for the kiwis 2 and a dog would turn up to an yawion game. The whocaresbies are not even as popular as the netballers.

 

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