I was going to take my six-year-old boy to the soccer on Friday night, but I decided not to. After what I witnessed at the Adelaide United - Melbourne Victory game at Hindmarsh Stadium, I doubt we’ll go to a game together this season. And that should be a huge concern for Adelaide United and the A-League.

The raw excitement of a nil-all draw spills over into the terraces.

In the end, I decided to go with a couple of mates, and keep one eye on the match and one eye on the hardcore fans that are a giving the sport I love such a bad name.

I took a seat in the southern grandstand, behind the Adelaide ``ultras’‘. I deliberately chose that spot so I could keep an eye on any trouble, but there were many young families around me who just had the misfortune to be sitting near the idiots.

The first thing that hits you is the swearing. While you still occasionally hear older supporters at footy games telling young hotheads to ``mind your language’‘, that’s not the case at the soccer.

``You are f****** s***!’’ the United supporters were chanting. The travelling Melbourne fans responded with something suitably blue. And so it began.

The European soccer culture, that some A-League fans are so keen to mimic, is based on hate.

Supporter groups are segregated behind fences and need police escorts before and after matches.

Manchester United fans are goaded with songs about the 1958 Munich disaster, when half their team was wiped out in a plane crash. Liverpool fans are goaded by songs about the Hillsborough disaster, when 96 people were crushed to death. Arsenal coach Arsene Wenger is called a pedophile.

Classy stuff. And it’s designed to get a reaction, or start a fight.

That’s what a very small group of soccer fans want to import into the A-League.

There were over 15,000 people at Hindmarsh Stadium on Friday night. In the south-east corner, near the fence, there were about 150 travelling Victory fans. Maybe 50 of them were looking for trouble.

Sitting behind them, in the grandstand, were the United heroes. About 80 boys, some barely old enough to shave, having the time of their lives.

The offensive chants were one thing. But knowing they had safety in numbers, they started throwing objects. Mainly soft-drink bottles (most of these guys weren’t old enough to drink beer), but there were also reports of coins being thrown.

If you did that at AAMI Stadium or Adelaide Oval, someone in a control booth somewhere would identify you, and a policeman would have you out the door in minutes.

The poor police, forced to stand in the middle of these two sets of posturing, snarling morons, appeared unwilling or unable to do anything about it.

The strange thing about this atmosphere of hate that both sets of supporters tried so hard to create, was that I never felt intimidated by it.

It was just so comical, so staged. It was like a pantomime.

Towards the end of the match I walked along the concourse behind the Melbourne supporters. Adelaide was about to take a corner kick so I stopped and peered over the Victory fans.

The Adelaide ``ultras’’ wanted to let them know that although they may have won the game, they wouldn’t win the fight.

``You’re dead, you’re dead,’’ they chanted.

I couldn’t believe it. I turned around, and a Reds fan, leaning over the fence, stared at me, pointed at me, and snarled; ``you’re dead, c***!’‘

I didn’t know whether to laugh or cry.

Among all this baying for blood, there was very little actual violence. There was one fight between rival supporters, quickly broken up, and a few people asked to leave the ground tried to wrestle with the police.

After the match, most of the hardcore Adelaide fans were content to dance around a flare (small minds seem to be amused by bright lights), while the Victory group slipped out almost unnoticed.

As they walked down Manton St, some Melbourne fans did their best to draw the attention back, chanting the score, and reminding everyone of their record over the Reds.

As the unamused police escorted them, a group of Reds supporters followed, knowing no fight was possible with so many cops around, but wanting to look like big men anyway.

There is a song rival supporters sometimes sing at Manchester United games about Munich, with lyrics referring to flames and burning bodies.

As these two groups of idiots shadowed each other along Manton St, a Reds supported launched into the song, with lyrics changed so it referred to the Victorian bushfires.

It was the lowest act I have ever witnessed by a fan at a sporting event. And if the A-League, and United, want to continue to grow, these idiots must be identified and banned.

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    • steve says:

      12:09pm | 06/10/09

      Hi Tim
      were you there for the SANFL grand final ?
      There was some poor crowd behaviour at AAMI
      maybe you could look into it and report it.

    • James Smith says:

      12:01pm | 05/10/09

      Upon reading the start of this article, I had decided to write a comment similar to the others. However, I do agree with Tim about some things. I am a member of Victory and was at the game in Adelaide. I had a great time with my mates, drinking and just having fun, but never starting or getting involved in any violence. Tim, like many other soccer haters, sees what he wants to see. He sees a group supporters and due to a few idiots, assums the party are a group of violent morons. Wrong. 90% of the fans are young people who love football, like a beer and cheer for their team, exactly the same as AFL fans. Yet the other 10% give us a bad name. People need not be scared of something different, just because a few people swear and chant songs which you don’t understand does not give you the right to label them. They are the die-hard supporters and they keep the game alive. I agree with Tim that those idiots should be weeded out. However, just remember Tim, there was no violence. A bit of bad language and tongue-in-cheek chants. Maybe you should just grow a pair.

    • Matt says:

      11:59am | 03/10/09

      Poor journalism. How many games have you been to in Adelaide? Or elsewhere? There is rarely violence…rarely. I have been to almost every United home game for the last few seasons and the only problems are when Victory visits. And that is only in one corner of the ground and potentially in one spot outside the stadium after the game. Most watch in peace and love the passion between the two sides.

      And people like Stephen, are you really football/soccer fans? Your worshipping of overseas soccer is sad. Yes, the standard here isn’t as good as the Premier League and other leagues, but it is still a good standard and getting better. Why would you feel the need to knock it. Oh and Stephen, at least every club in Australia has a realistic chance of winning the title…not like most overseas leagues which pander to stars and the clubs with the biggest pockets. Take a good hard look at yourself.

    • DC82 says:

      05:20pm | 25/09/09

      “giving the sport I love such a bad name.” I have a slight inclination to question the genuineness of this statement.

    • John says:

      06:52pm | 24/09/09

      If the world game bores you with nil all draws what about the AFL`s half time blowouts when one team is over 50 points in front and have no chance of winning.(supporters go home). In world football it is never over until the ref blows his whistle. (2 nil or 3 nil is never a wining score.)
      Also what about your useless games where one team continously floods the backline so no one can kick a goal and backpassing in the backline so the other team does not get the ball.That is boring football.
      Here is another one backpassing the backline too. They do this

    • S.L says:

      06:05pm | 24/09/09

      To be honest the media are guilty at stretching the truth on any story not just a football code. I took my elderly father to a token NRL match at Bluetongue stadium in Gosford a few years ago and found it amusing that you can’t smoke anywhere in the open air stadium (dad and I were both heavy smokers but abstained)  But we saw a number of drunks kicked out after consuming too much of the beveridge supplied at the venue. I am also a veteran (if that’s the right term) of the Bathurst bikie riots and a few State of Origin brawls at the REAL home of rugby league…. the SCG…... In every case the story far outweighs what actually happened. I see nothing’s changed by publishing a pic that had NOTHING to do with the story…......

    • Pete says:

      04:01pm | 24/09/09

      I love the way football (soccer) fans support their teams.  Sydney are coming to town Sunday and I must say I very much look forward to the banter with their supporters.  It will not lead to any fisty cuffs just a good few chants flung in their direction.  We will receive the same.  It is a part of the match day experience and that is the beauty of football.  Each stadium has seating arrangments to cater for different fans, not to mention family friendly non licensed areas.  If you wish to have a cold one and still take your family, there are thousands of seats away from the uncoothe!

      At the end of the day there a yobbos at every sporting fixture and its a bit harsh to single out one particular code.

    • Tim says:

      02:40pm | 24/09/09

      3,999,999,999 Lou? hahaha Hilarious stuff that.
      Do you honetly think that is Soccer’s support base?
      I knew Soccer fans in this country were deluded about their game’s grandeur, but that is taking things to a new level.

    • Lou says:

      02:20pm | 24/09/09

      The only one’s who should be “identified and banned” as you so put it Tim, are those, like yourself, who only have one agenda. To tarnish the reputation of the beautiful game. However as Jess Fink posted on his SBS sports blog “xplain what “family friendly” means again, Tim?”,  goodluck trying to convice the other 3,999,999,999 people on this planet who don’t think the same way. All the best with that.

    • sonny says:

      01:56pm | 24/09/09

      What a pathetic article. More trouble happens at NRL games, but you only report very, very rarely on that. There’s hardly any trouble at A-League games.  What a biased agenda you’re running, seriously. If there was serious problems at that match why wasn’t it reported by anyone else? Basically it appears that you’re just protecting your own sport - you are a dying breed. Stick to reporting on your sport - yes, your sport.  The one with the uneducated rapists, drunks & bullies who beat up their girls and make Australia look pathetic.

    • Tim says:

      01:30pm | 24/09/09

      Ha ha,
      Look at all the soccer fans venting their rage.
      Hope you leave all this angst at home before you go to the games boys.

    • mahony says:

      01:17pm | 24/09/09

      TW,

      “Australian football is an offshoot of nothing”.

      I could not have put it any better myslef…....well done.

    • mahony says:

      01:10pm | 24/09/09

      Ahhhhh…. the ever reliable ‘young fogies’ of the conservative press are at it again.  Bless them and their premature ‘retirement of the mind’.  As they slip off happily into Alzheimer’s in their 40’s - football will continue to grow, develop its own distinct Australian culture and swallow their ‘favourite pastimes’ such as AFL, swimming, tennis, rugby and lawn bowls.  What scares these people the most is that the world is round and getting smaller – fast.  Simple minds yearning for a simpler time.

    • Greg says:

      12:03pm | 24/09/09

      There is no doubt that there are some egotistical, attention seeking people that go the football that make an idiot of themselves and can wreck for others around them. Most of these people feel they can get away with anything due to safety in numbers. However as you pointed out Tim, these people are rarely intimidating but rather comical in the way they try so hard to grab attention.
      Abusive language and derogatory taunts should never be tolerated however its naive to think that this is limited to soccer. All football codes have people ridiculing each other. It is unfair to make soccer the scapegoat for poor behaviour by football fans of all codes.

    • John says:

      09:51am | 24/09/09

      Could you please explain where you got the picture Tim? Did you forget your camera on the night or wasn’t the Adelaide “riot” sensational enough? Very professional to find a photo of players in red shirts & try to pass it off as Super Tim surviving the local “Footbal Mayhem” Any cred you may have had just went up in smoke (pun intended).

    • Jimmy says:

      09:36am | 24/09/09

      tim,  if yah love the real game, why do u go, if yah just want to write rubbish about the supporters, why not write the truth about how we played against victory, an get vidmar to read it, otherwize put yah comments an thoughts in the bin along side melb an sydney supporters where it belongs…..
      .the myth here is,
      we are football fans an your not, so,
      forget about afl,
      forget about rugby,
      an fire up and support us
      , not put us down on basic views.
      we don’t like your garbage you have said, so come along an fire up with us an support as well as write something nice, your lieing to yahsellf just to get a print.come on football fans of australia,
      fire up because we are the true fans of australia in any code an the loyalist,

    • John says:

      08:54am | 24/09/09

      Either your blind or deaf when you attend “most” other sporting events or you’re simply being vindictive as is traditional from the old school/oval ball sports journalists of Australia.  As a professional however it would be interesting if you were to attempt an expose of all sport under the banner “What ever happened to family friendly sport in this country”.Please remember however that good journalism should be both informed & unbiased. Go to it Tim,lets see jst how good a journo you are!

    • jed says:

      03:57am | 24/09/09

      this piece - and a few responses actually say more about adelaide than the a-league

    • M Ballack says:

      11:23pm | 23/09/09

      Could you imagine if Advertiser ‘soccer’ journo Val M. sat in the stands at AAMI during an AFL game and made notes about what swear words fans were saying and how they reacted badly to rival fans? Could you imagine Val going out of his way to position himself in a seat where he was sure there would be some friction between fans. Could you imagine if he actually wrote an article based on the poor behaviour he had observed at AAMI and submitted it to his editor? Well if he still had his job at the very least the sports editor would laugh him out of the office.

      However, this poor excuse for a journo (nil all draw???) can sit in the stands at Hindmarsh and make notes about the supporters behaviour and it gets printed.

      Sadly, this only confirms that long held belief that double standards in News Ltd publications clearly exist.

    • WILL says:

      10:35pm | 23/09/09

      Tim you are a deluded tool.

      Save your boring anti football dribble for your retarded AFL and Rugby buddies.

      Reality check pal. When it comes to sport on this planet there is one game then daylight. DEAL WITH IT.

    • Deen says:

      10:18pm | 23/09/09

      You seem very Anti-Football… oh wait I forgot you call it Soccer.

      P.S The picture is not even at an A-league game :o

    • RedEyeRob says:

      08:19pm | 23/09/09

      “The raw excitement of a nil-all draw spills over into the terraces.” And that gives away your agenda Tim! You call it the “Sport I love”.. liar! You also talk about “laughing” from the stupidity that happened at Hindmarsh stadium but then you try to paint the “violence” also. Since when was violence funny?  You’re funny, that much i know.

    • Matt says:

      07:50pm | 23/09/09

      Big deal another sad Anglo trying to put down the best sport in the world. This is what happens in Australia because of fear & fear alone. Stick to your suburban rubbish & enjoy Geelong or St.Kilda being crowned “World Champions”.

    • Big Unit says:

      05:58pm | 23/09/09

      This ‘article’ gave me a good laugh - thanks Tim. It’s funny reading such a biased, agenda driven, incorrect piece as this. Hopefully you didnt get paid for this as you would have ripped your employer off.

      I take my 4 year old son to all the Hindmarsh games and have never felt in danger. I also occasionaly go to AFL games. I have never seen as much boganism and hate as a game at the MCG with Essendon vs Collingwood. If you want to write about hate why not go to one of thoise games - if you are brave enough.

    • rory says:

      05:42pm | 23/09/09

      that photo is a sham, not linked to this story at all as adelaide do not have a player registered at no.40?

    • Rob says:

      05:19pm | 23/09/09

      Tim, why didn’t you report the travelling AU fans that lifted the banner of support to the Victorian bushfire victims at Telstra stadium before the game against Melbourne in February.  Instead you choose to report “one idiot” out of 15,000 that used the fire to insult them.  Mate i’m glad you’re not coming to anymore AU games. We’re better off without your pathetic “Journalism”.

    • Pablo says:

      03:37pm | 23/09/09

      What!  nothing yet on the Penrith junior rugby league grand final on the weekend?, There you could see actual criminal acts on the field of play by players upon other players, yet I’ve seen not one headline, no front page cover,  not one single line written by Mr Hilferty on the matter.
      You are rapidly loosing credibility Tim

    • Michael says:

      01:33pm | 23/09/09

      Please don’t go to a rugby league game, or sit near the goals at an AFL match or your ears might burn right off when they abuse not only the other players but the referee too! Goodness me, I hear you say. It gets worse though - you might witness a fight on the field where a punch was actually thrown.  You will be horrified when the protagonists are just given a warning and everyone gets on with the game, although you could write an article about the shame of it, perhaps with a photo from a 1980s origin match just to demonstrate what it actually wasn’t like. 

      Probably a few other lifestyle tips are due: probably best if you don’t drive anywhere in Sydney or Melbourne traffic, and for heavens sake, don’t suggest winding back superannuation laws to our dear prime minister.  Perhaps shuttlecock might be more your thing?

    • Mr Subramanian says:

      01:30pm | 23/09/09

      Went to my first A-league game myself as well Sunday just past: Sydney v Newcastle as well. The continuous singing from The Cove was indeed the stand out feature for me, and imagining the whole stadium going off like that, well, I can see why such an experience would be an amazing.

      As I’ve gotten older, I’ve started to enjoy all sports more. “Football” is just the term used to describe the most popular form of football in the vicinity - hence league in NSW and Qld, AFL in Vic and SA, gridiron in the US. No doubt Gaelic Football is “football” in Ireland - although I suspect the Kiwis call union “rugby” and don’t use “football” at all. So to actually communicate any meaning that doesn’t require a particular cultural context, I prefer “soccer”.

    • Darren says:

      11:50am | 23/09/09

      Jay and Don, it is usual news Ltd journalism to create a football bashing story and then match it with different photos. Clutching at straws

    • Matt says:

      11:15am | 23/09/09

      “No doubt about it, Adelaide were robbed. RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME!”

      I was at the game with the Melbourne supporters Tim, and calling the local constabulary “Poor” and saying they did nothing is either a blatant lie or you completely missed what was going on.

      in short, the Cops in Adelaide take the “Kick a Vic” mantra very seriously.

      We had no problems with Adelaide supporters (we can handle being called f^%*%ts) and there was never any hint of supporter on supporter fighting. Where was the “fight” between supporters you saw? Be specific please.

      “I deliberately chose that spot so I could keep an eye on any trouble” - you’re not even hiding your agenda here. Well done Tim, you’re a true patriot.

    • Don says:

      11:11am | 23/09/09

      I agree with Jay, the photo is clearly not adelaide united as the playing strip is different. The photo has been taken from European football

    • Jay says:

      10:46am | 23/09/09

      The photo is clearly no from the adelaide united versus melbourne game.

    • Bill says:

      09:58am | 23/09/09

      Typical article by very lazy journalists with an anti-football agenda. It’s the old I went to the game with an open mind but then I saw all these nasty people chanting and swearing so I am going home to lock up my wife and children.

      If you want blood in the stands try this years NAB cup final between Geelong and Collingwood at docklands. If the same thing happened at an A-league game you and your pathetic hack jouro mates would be apoplectic.

      Take your double standards, along with all your hack AFL and rugby jouro football hating mates, and take a running jump into the sporting void.

    • Duke says:

      03:21am | 23/09/09

      Addy if you get to Old Trafford try to get a referee to show some guts and stop letting Ferguson’s mutts play as long into extra time as it takes to get a winner…and then blow full time 5 seconds later.  It happens a few times a year, enough to give the billionaires another bought trophy…and bore the rest of the world to tears with the gutless pandering to bullies like ‘Sir’ Alexei

    • George says:

      11:05pm | 22/09/09

      TW, Did you forget about Rugby Union, and how “Rules” developed from there, and rugby came from a football game when WWE picked up the ball and ran with it.
      “Rules” was the first to get a league , nothing else

    • Walter says:

      10:30pm | 22/09/09

      Soccer supporters are generally morons, as many of these comments confirm.

    • Pablo says:

      10:10pm | 22/09/09

      TW, Ease up man, ‘insulted” really? I’ll tell you this, I love a good game of AFL (aussie rules) as I love a good game of league, union or soccer (football) .Why any fan of these 4 great games ( when played well)  feel the need to put the others down is beyond me, I guess insecurity might have something to do with it.
      Broeden your minds people , allow others the enjoyment of their favourite code without feeling so threatened

    • regina says:

      09:57pm | 22/09/09

      i don’t care for soccer at all but i do have a passing interest in david beckham.

      not so much his prowess on the field but his amusing antics off. and then of course there are the many extraordinary advertising campaigns to which he has contributed his unique .. er, talents.

      it’s a shame he occasionally feels the need to open his mouth. because really, there is no need for him to speak.

    • Rob says:

      08:11pm | 22/09/09

      The egg ballers can only dream to have the atmosphere the worldgame has to offer.

    • Pablo says:

      08:10pm | 22/09/09

      Perhaps you can take your son to a junior rugby league game Tim, There you’ll be able to watch the violence on the playing field from the safety of the grandstand . I have nothing against league personally, but if I look hard enough I’ll find a negative to anything ...By your own admission you went to the match to look for trouble ” I deliberately chose that spot so I could keep an eye on any trouble, ”

    • TW says:

      07:45pm | 22/09/09

      Learn a little history fellas.
      Australian football -  born (written rules) 1859, Assocciation football - born 1863, Gaelic football - born 1878.
      FFA - 2004!
      Australian football is an offshoot of nothing. It’s our own deal. That’s why it’s an insult

    • Michael says:

      06:04pm | 22/09/09

      Is this article real, under the picture is says it was a nil all draw when on Fox Sports News they showed a Melbourne player scoring a great goal early in the game?

    • TOPGUN-JIMMY-AUFC says:

      05:54pm | 22/09/09

      where was the trouble, excatley????
      im a adel united supporter who travels everywhere with united an never seen fists nor punchon’s with any adelaide united supporter nor victory supporter, so what’s with garbage you have put on us once again like tom zed did, the media have nothing on any supporter, its all provoking by the sapol an welso, banter an chating allways goes good with the real football game, leave us alone with crap written an rubbishing our code…
      if yah like, we could give a story to run with, but then again, yah will prob rubbish that too. so no need to bother with you tim….adelaide united all the way till we die..

    • Jenny says:

      05:04pm | 22/09/09

      Wow I went to a soccer match at Arsenal’s old stadium in London a few years back and never had a problem.  It was a great match. Lots of singing etc but no nasty stuff.  I must have been in the boring section!

      However I also did go to the Charity Shield match in Cardiff and on the way back in the train to London I did hear some disgusting stuff from football supporters.  Mainly along the lines of that footballer’s mother is a prostitute etc.  However it was so ridiculousy outrageous it was funny. We just laughed at the guy.

    • Tim says:

      04:52pm | 22/09/09

      TW, bastardising another sport (Gaelic Football) and calling it Australian Rules Football, does not make it Australian. It is some Euro import, changing the rules slightly does not make it truly unique. Otherwise the same thing could be said for Rugby League. There is no truly unique Australian Football.

    • Chade says:

      04:47pm | 22/09/09

      Typical News Ltd. Go on, keep publishing only the comments that you can live with, and wonder why your online audiences slip away, not bothered enough about your “journalism” to pay for content online.

    • budgeboi says:

      04:44pm | 22/09/09

      TW… you’re “Australian rules football” in the same way that Ireland has “Gaelic rules football” ... its not insulting, just reality. (We are part of a world outside these shores.)
      Why would you want to claim a name that isn’t even unique to your sport anyway? I always assumed you guys preferred the name “footy” anyway.

    • TW says:

      04:12pm | 22/09/09

      soccer is a joke. We have to be told about the passion (read bored to distraction) and the skills (how to dive when hit by a puff of air).

      The great insult is that in the crowded Australian football market, Association Football (yes that’s it’s true name) claims exclusive use of the word “football” . See R.E.L comment.  And in justification - “that’s what it’s known as all over the world”. So we get the insulting situation that when referring to Association Football in Australian - we talk of “australian football”

      Wait a minute - Australian Football is the game we invented not some euro import.  The dolts supporting Assoc Football insult us everytime they use the word. Why wouldn’ they be into a little moronic violence (sorry passion)

    • Steve says:

      04:10pm | 22/09/09

      another soccer bashing article from the sports editor.

      And please Tim ,dont say we write the truth etc and how supporters should clean up our own game before commenting on other codes .
      Because it must be something on cue at the advertiser.

      Yourself
      Geoff Roach
      Tom Zed

      have all written damning articles about soccer in this state/country.
      Sure its not perfect , but goodness me the articles do single the code out,is that what is meant to be portrayed ?

      Why is that Val Magliaco has never wrote an article damning the poor crowd behaviour at a crows /port showdown ? Everyone knows there is crowd trouble there, sure not as bad as what happened recently but surely its worthy of an article Tim,

      waiting for your reply


      In fact a similar article was written about the chief editor , citing poor crowd behavior.

    • Gweeds says:

      04:01pm | 22/09/09

      I have been to Association Football games with my 10 year old both at Hindmarsh and at Docklands (in the ‘south end’ - not in the grandstands) and felt perfectly safe.  The most scary thing for him were not the supporters but the police in riot gear.

      The only time I felt uneasy at a sport event was during a one-day cricket match were I was sitting near yobbos and I got hit by a half-full van of bear during a ‘mexican wave’.

    • mac says:

      03:29pm | 22/09/09

      those who you said where singing about Munich, Hillsborough and the bush fires are a disgrace, i think that won of the most heartless things I’ve ever heard, they should be assumed of them selves .

    • N says:

      03:12pm | 22/09/09

      If you want a family friendly angle to your A League experience, sit up in the grandstand. Many people want a different (non violent) angle to their experience so they frequent a different area of the ground. Nothing you have mentioned does not occur at Adelaide based AFL games.

      Do not condemn fans merely because they don’t sit and clap like AFL, half the point is that traditional football support is exactly that, a pantomine and something of a stage, far from being juvebile as you like to stereotype it, the point is that they outperform eachother in the stands in terms of choreography

      The issue is that generalist sports fans are close minded and ignorant, no one in Australia is trying to “import” anything foreign, they are merely adapting an appropriated form of footballs international culture into Australian context. Get used to it, because fans from overseas support from the same perspective. What you need to understand is that crowd patterns are different in collectively minded football to individually minded AFL

      Lastly, some people obviously do act daft, those kids act exactly the same way at school and other settings, maybe the family friendliness of school is a myth as well? People are charged up at the end of games in all sports, that’s why there are coaches outbursts in press conferences at this time as well as melees at final whistle etc, this occurs in AFL, not to mention the questionable “family friendliness” of the AFL considering all the onfield fighting and wrestling that occurs

    • AJT says:

      02:02pm | 22/09/09

      I was an away fan at the match in question.

      I have been at Melbourne Victory games since day dot. I loved the world game ever since my dad use to stay up and watch the Saturday night EPL match on SBS. Since then, my love affair from afar has come a lot closer to home.

      There is nothing more exciting and thrilling then travelling away to watch your team play. The atmosphere, and the hatred, that is shown makes the win on the road that much more exciting. Melbourne fans were showered in coins, beer, bottles and other objects by a bunch of 16 year olds. It was an absolute disgrace.

      99% of the Melbourne fans away go there to sing their loudest for the boys on the pitch. For the team that we travel for. And the 1% that cause trouble is representative of every group around the world. You always get the bad eggs.

      It may not be as old and have the same history as AFL and NRL but at the end of the day, those competitions have less to do with the fans then any other sport in the world. Just look at the seating allocation for the AFL grand final. Passion for your club, your team is as high in the A-League as it is in many other sports.

      Well done on attending an A-League match, Tim. Let me tell you about my one and only trip to AAMI Stadium.

      As a Blues fan i crossed the border with my family (I was 16, my brother was 9, my sister was 13) after my dad decided he wanted to go to Adelaide and see the footy.

      So we got our seats and what i saw that night i will never forget.

      Incident 1: I not only saw a father hit his child for saying “i’m bored”, I saw him hit his child again for crying. This was two rows in front of us. Now I was not going to say anything. I’m 16, so I looked around. Noone was standing up to say anything. I thought ‘you have to be joking”. But no, then I heard the lady that was with him say ‘see, his mum doesn’t hit him enough’. Yep, child abuse provides a really family friendly atmosphere.

      Incident 2: three blokes, mid twentys, decided it was time to start yelling abuse at me and my dad. “You f————carlton fa—ots”, “why don’t you f———go home to your f—-ing gay state, you fa—ots”. Just lovely. then one of them fell over walking to the bar and broke his nose. Well done.

      Incident 3: our car. Yep, thanks crows fans. We lost a number plate, had the car keyed all the way down the side, had half a pie on the windscreen and the smell of urine from the wheels was pretty obvious.

      Tim, take a step back. Sport in this country has not been family friendly for a long time. Stadiums are just oversized bars and betting arenas.

    • Michael says:

      02:00pm | 22/09/09

      I’m not going to get into the whole “Football” debate. I call it football when I’m with one group of people, and call it soccer when I’m with a different group of people. So long as they know what I’m talking about.

      Believe it or not, the club’s don’t like when there is crowd trouble, because the clubs get penalised in the way of fines or other sanctions. You’ll find that most European clubs want to ban any stupid fan who wants to use football/soccer as an excuse to start or try to start a fight.

      From your article, it seems that the only real problems you had with the atmosphere was the offensive chanting, the fact that there were large groups of teenagers throwing soft-drink bottles, and then you stated that you weren’t intimidated by it? Isn’t that just another way of saying that you wish there were actual fights to complain about?

      The chanting is what makes European football/soccer so unique. There are chants that have more than 5 syllables like in AFL due to the relative small-ness of the pitch and the crowd. I’ve been at AAMI Stadium many a time when the crowd has chanted “Bulls***” in regards to an umpiring decision, or when the odd person has yelled out a drug reference to Ben Cousins, a cheating incident of Wayne Carey, a racist remark to Andrew McLeod and Peter Burgouyne.

      Would you rather the teenager’s be in the city on a Friday night causing all sorts of havoc, or being inside a sporting arena?

      At the end of the article you have said that the persons involved should be banned. Of this there is no question. But to suggest that these people are associated only with football/soccer is absurd, and suggests a hidden agenda.

    • Jugger says:

      01:59pm | 22/09/09

      I don’t agree that the standard of the A-League is rubbish.  I’ve been a season ticket holder with an English Premier League Club in the past, and the live matches I’ve seen in the past year or so have included a few Melbourne Victory games, a couple of English Championship games, and an Ajax Dutch league game.  In my opinion the A-League is easily on par with the Championship as far as skill level goes.

      Of course the A-League is not up to Premier League standard, and it never will be, but that’s not the point,  The fact is that the A-League is highest standard of football this country has got, and as football fans we should all be supporting it.

    • S.L says:

      01:40pm | 22/09/09

      So the majority of Soccer fans don’t like the A league? What rubbish! What do you expect Rob M? Premier League standard in 10 minutes? What a wonderful word “majority” is. Something you can’t prove or disprove in a statement. And Mr or Ms AFR you may find football boring but the beauty of living in a democracy is you don’t have to watch it!

    • Nicola Di Lorenzo says:

      01:39pm | 22/09/09

      Tim Hilferty has lost his credibilty the day he walked into Adelaide.
      A sports editor whos bias for Rugby and AFL IS PROBABLY the only reason why he’s employed that so called w/end advertising rag

    • R.E.L. says:

      12:57pm | 22/09/09

      John: “football” implies using your feet to move the ball around.

      AFL has a claim, but not the other codes where most of the time the ball is held in hand…

    • Reprobate says:

      12:56pm | 22/09/09

      I went to my first A-league game in Canberra a couple of weeks ago. There was little trouble to be had as the crowd wouldnt have topped 10 but what struck me was how little skill the players have. It was like watching some under 16 second division sides for eighty minutes. But Tim, I think you ought to stay away from bars, live sport and stick to staying at home. You’re clearly a geriatric now….

    • John says:

      12:49pm | 22/09/09

      In Australia we call it Soccer, get used to it.  Football is either Rugby League or Australian Rules depending on what state you’re in.

    • AFR says:

      12:03pm | 22/09/09

      Soccer…football…..who cares what its called? Its still boring a bat excrement.

    • Matthew Davies says:

      11:59am | 22/09/09

      Rugby types always love a pop at football (its football not soccer) - on my arrival on these shores I went to a Bledisloe Cup in Sydney expecting an amazing atmosphere and you couldve heard a pin drop once the game started - pathetic and lacking in pany assion. The best atmosphere I have experienced in Australia was the 2005 WC Qualifier against Uruguay and some of the Ashes tests. Everything else here is devoid of any passion and just a backdrop for people to consume overpriced pies and crap VB

    • Caaaan ya mug! says:

      11:07am | 22/09/09

      The violence which comes from the European game has its origins in older days when each Europe was divided not only into nations, but subdivided into tribes.

      It’s interesting that I have never seen any violence at a rugby union game. It seems the fans there know how to drink and sing without getting violent.

      I suppose it’s true what they say:
      Rugby is a game played by gentlemen acting like hooligans.
      Football is a game played by hooligans acting like gentlemen.

    • Steve says:

      10:28am | 22/09/09

      .. and I would have gotten away with it too if it wasn’t for you meddling kids!!!

      Not really S, however I your point about the minority being football fans is spot on. The truth is generalisations help journalists focus on the minority that will help sell papers or make people comment on blogs.. and it works =)

    • S says:

      09:54am | 22/09/09

      Thanks to Stephen and Steve (same person?)...comments like yours really aren’t helping the situation.

      This is AUSTRALIA’S league. Of course the standard isn’t going to be up to the “top class” European leagues. Our league is only a few years old; it will take many, many more seasons before we’re even close to matching it with the big leagues.

      In response to the flares, language, etc.; I don’t agree with any of it (throwing of coins especially…what’s the point?!), but I love the fact this has attracted such attention from the press, yet the fights during the Broncos-Dragons game on Saturday night got zilch. Double standards much?

      These hooligans do not represent the majority of football fans. They are the minority; a bunch of kids pretending to be hard, having watched Green Street Hooligans one too many times.

    • Steve says:

      09:31am | 22/09/09

      I’ve never heard of the mythology of soccer being a family friendly sport.

      However, I do not think A-League and any form of real soccer should be compared. Let’s face it.. they A-League is just one step up from kicking a ball around the backyard… no wonder spectators are bored.

    • budgeboi says:

      09:27am | 22/09/09

      @ Stephen ... you can pick and choose boring games from any league in the world. We’ve had some top QUALITY games in the A-League this year, but considering SFC-Newy was probably the first you’ve “sat through”, you’d hardly know this would you.

    • Tim says:

      09:16am | 22/09/09

      What do you expect of a game so boring?

      When there is nothing happening on the field, the supporters have to find something to do.

    • Addy says:

      09:15am | 22/09/09

      I stand corrected Heater cheers (thanks Google)......................but boy it looked and SOUNDED like alot more….... My next dream is to go to Old Traffrord now wouldnt that be something….Arrests are certainly not a good look….but look at AFL, Rugby League….etc plenty of yobbos in those crowds.

    • Stephen says:

      09:08am | 22/09/09

      Rob M said   “It should be noted that the vast majority of soccer fans in Australia have little or no interest for the “A-League. This may surprise some people, but it shouldn’t because the standard of football on display is dreadful to watch. Sniping from AFL journalists like Tim Hilferty should be the least of the FFA’s worries.”

      Couldn’t agree more.  I made myself sit through the entire Sydney FC v Newcastle match on the weekend…what a comical bore.  The standard was unbelievably bad.  Maybe it comes from having watched the high quality overseas leagues and then having to revert back to this rabble.  It’s even more defined than watching the NBL as opposed to NBA

      Australian soccer fans will continue to use words like “popular” and “world game” to advance their cause in discussions with fans of other codes.  When speaking about the A League though, one word that has no place is “quality”.

    • Pete says:

      08:53am | 22/09/09

      Yet State of Origin the QLD fans litter the field with their beer cups, oh no throwing things during an origin match is passion.  No I don’t condone it but apples with apples.  There was a photo in the Sunday Mail of Dragons and Broncos fans having a biff but no it was laughed off.

      The same idiots are in every crowd in all codes, they are the minority by a long shot.  Its just if it happens at a Football match then its worth reporting.

      @Rob
      They are not “fans” if they were they would support their own product.  If Euro Snobs got out and supported the A-League there would be greater dollars going to our clubs.  We’ve moaned about not having a Domestic Competition and now its here its not good enough.  Sounds like South Sydney fans too me.

    • Heater says:

      08:26am | 22/09/09

      Your comment: @ Addy. Anfield holds 45k, not 60k. Round ball is a great game - but passion doesn’t have to equal arrests and flares.

    • Rob M says:

      08:12am | 22/09/09

      I’ve got to laugh at the 0-0 draw caption and then references to “nasty” songs sung at English football grounds.

      To highlight how it has nothing to do with “0-0 draws”, Manchester City fans were singing “Munich” songs at Old Trafford yesterday and it was an entertaining game that ended 4-3. Singing and chanting to wind up your rivals is part and parcel of the game over there. Sometimes the songs are humourous, sometimes they’re crude. It will not stop 75,000 turning up at United’s next home game just because a couple of thousand bitter local rivals saw fit to sing about runways and burning bodies. It’s to be expected and is part of the long rivalry between the two sets of supporters.

      The “A-League” is a different case because everything is manufactured - there’s no history or tradition. It should be noted that the vast majority of soccer fans in Australia have little or no interest for the “A-League”. This may surprise some people, but it shouldn’t because the standard of football on display is dreadful to watch. Sniping from AFL journalists like Tim Hilferty should be the least of the FFA’s worries.

    • Addy says:

      08:04am | 22/09/09

      Mmmmmm another ‘bash soccer’ article there has to be one every week. Please Football is known for the passion of it fans….60000 people singing “You Never Walk Alone” at Anfield is the greatest thing I have ever heard!!!! Sure you have rival fans goading each other….a classic case is Millwall and West Ham but to use the word hate is laughable as these same fans will go to 2010 WC arm in arm supporting England.  I can’t wait for soccer-fans in this country to mimic the atmosphere of Anfield, San Siro, Santigo Bernerbeu, Camp Nou or Highbury.

      As budgeboi says…...go back to your eggball…..

    • Sophie says:

      07:48am | 22/09/09

      Sour grapes Tim bit of a grandma rant… pretty clear that your AFL teams have failed this year so you have to find a story somewhere.
      Hmm…  I’ll never forget my first Port versus Norwood experience at Alberton oval in the late 80’s,  where not only did I see a Port fan punch a grandma in the face (yes there was blood maybe a tooth)  .. and upon returning to my car (with Redlegs sticker) to find it had been vandalised.
      The upshot of this… Port had won the game.

      Aussie Rules is called that for one reason and one reason only.. the rest of the world doesn’t want to play. Perhaps one day Australia will step out of the sporting third world.

      Ps. I suggest you keep clear of sporting field and sport bar if expletives offend.

    • albe says:

      07:41am | 22/09/09

      There’s such a double standard on reporting of so-called “violence” and “trouble” at football games. Have a look at the cricket this summer, all the anti-social behaviour there, the number of arrests etc. Far more then you’ll ever get at the A-League.

    • budgeboi says:

      07:19am | 22/09/09

      “The European soccer culture, that some A-League fans are so keen to mimic, is based on hate.”

      AKA Passion my friend, this is what the world game has in bucketloads… and why it is the most popular, dramatic, exciting sport on the planet. The numbers speak for themselves.
      Back to your eggball Tim… we don’t need your concern!

 

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