The Social Network opens in Australia later this week and whether you couldn’t care less about Facebook or you’re guilty of updating your status every time your toddler passes wind, there’s a lot to think about in this film about the world’s youngest billionaire.

Swap the computer for a typewriter and the sweatshirts for Brooks Brothers and you've got yourself an episode of Mad Men.

The first question viewers will discuss after seeing the story of the man who was just 19 when he created the world-wide internet phenomenon of Facebook will be: is Mark Zuckerberg an asshole?

And judging by the flurry of examination of the issue overseas - the second question will be: is this movie misogynistic/about misogyny?

The answer to the first question is entirely subjective - so much so that since seeing the film last week I’ve changed my mind about seven times.

The answer to the second, however, has greater social context.

Many have been shocked by the portrayal of women in The Social Network, and how some of the men in the film react to them.

On the Daily Beast Rebecca Davis O’Brien described how in the film they serve little more purpose than props.

And apart from the whip-smart woman who dumps Zuckerberg in the first five minutes of the film, and the lawyer at the end who serves up redemption to him neatly on a platter, the rest of the women in the film are either completely nuts, Victoria Secret models or happy to be bussed in to exclusive parties at Harvard to try to bag themselves a big fish.

The film’s writer Aaron Sorkin (West Wing fans will flock to see The Social Network, they won’t be disappointed) even felt the need to respond publicly to all the hoopla - writing: “It’s not hard to understand how bright women could be appalled by what they saw in the movie but you have to understand that that was the very specific world I was writing about ... I was writing about a very angry and deeply misogynistic group of people. These aren’t the cuddly nerds we made movies about in the 80’s. They’re very angry that the cheerleader still wants to go out with the quarterback instead of the men (boys) who are running the universe right now.”

There’s a sense that what we’re seeing here, in this portrayal of social dynamics in the first decade of the 21st Century, is somehow new. But the whole debate reminds me of something. Call it life imitating art.

You can’t turn around online without reading another in-depth analysis of the feminist/anti-feminist messages in the television series Mad Men. (If you must, try here, here and here).

Certainly the show puts blatant, and sometimes brutal, sexual harassment on display warts and all.

The “feminist” moments are few and far between, and many of the female characters in Mad Men could be transported 40 years into the future to board the Social Network bus that will deliver them like prizes to the privileged young men of Harvard. They wouldn’t even have to change their costumes.

The men in Mad Men, especially the main character Don Draper, would fit right in amongst this group of striving nerds in the film.

While Draper is as suave as Zuckerberg is innept - he has about as much grip on social reality as the misfit who started the social networking revolution. He knows how to play people but can’t for the life of him sort himself out.

He too was a young outsider - he’s just had a bit more time to come up with the cover story to get him into the club.

And like Zuckerberg, he has often taken out his rage on the women in his path - usually by breaking their hearts. Sorkin might even say “bright women could be appalled” by Don Draper and his crew.

I wasn’t as troubled by the diminished role of women in the Social Network as many clearly have been, as I think it’s principally the story of what drove one man, rather than a piece of commentary on a whole generation.

Still, Draper could serve to provide some hope yet for Zuckerberg.

At the end of the Social Network Zuckerberg’s lawyer says to him: “You’re not an asshole Mark, you just want to be.”

In the recent season final of the fourth series of Mad Men, Don Draper’s lover tells him: “I know that you have a good heart, and I know that you’re always trying to be better.”

For two supposed misogynists they both need a woman to tell them they’re worth something.

Don’t miss: Get The Punch in your inbox every day

Get The Punch on Facebook

Most commented

31 comments

Show oldest | newest first

    • Eric says:

      05:14am | 25/10/10

      It sounds like these shows are misandrist, rather than misogynist. They put forward a false, negative portrayal of men. At least, that’s the impression I get. I won’t be watching either of them.

      Interesting that critics only seem worried about the portrayals of women. Men just don’t matter.

    • marley says:

      07:53am | 25/10/10

      If you haven’t watched Mad Men, you’re missing something, Eric.  Seriously.  Give it a go.

    • Marco Polo says:

      08:21am | 25/10/10

      Actually, Eric, Mad Men isn’t really a negative portrayal or men.

      I think it was at the end of the second season where Don Draper and Brad Cooper are talking in a bar and realised that the only reason they got married was because it was socially expected of them to do so.

      The same “oppressive” social expectations on women were placed on men. Only thing is, all women had to do was cook dinner, clean the house and look after the kids. Pretty simple when compared to being the sole breadwinner which causes many of the male characters a lot of angst.

      In a way, Mad Men is masculinist (ie not feminist, but not anti-feminist).

      By the end of the current season both Brad and Don are engaged/married to women less than half their age after their first marriages ended. Legend wink

    • Eric says:

      12:16pm | 25/10/10

      Thanks for the advice, Marley and Marco. I’ll keep it in mind, though as far as TV series go, Babylon 5 and Band of Brothers are more my speed.

    • Markus says:

      01:45pm | 25/10/10

      Never really saw the appeal of Mad Men. Watched the first 2 episodes, the entire show can essentially be summed up as ‘male characters hit on their secretaries and smoke a lot’.

    • Gregg says:

      04:51pm | 25/10/10

      Beauties and the Geeks is also back on Eric!

    • Jim says:

      07:07am | 25/10/10

      It’s a biopic about a bunch of nerds…if there was no strong female character in real life in the little world surrounding Zuckerberg, why create one simply to be PC?
      Anyway, I’m sure there have been many movies made with women in the main roles that have men in a sideshow role.

    • Marco Polo says:

      08:14am | 25/10/10

      You can’t expect a bunch of nerds to have positive views on women as they have spent their entire lives being shunned and rejected by them.

      By the time they reach young adulthood their entire lives have been developed by the paradigm of “the jock gets the girl, you’re not worthy, the only way to make yourself worthy is to be rich and successful, but even then women will expect more despite the fact that you’re the real achiever, they’re just living off their looks which will soon fade anyway”.

      Many women will have a problem with this because feminism teaches them that they’re special and that men want intelligent women (god knows what that means). It’s wrong.

      Men want the same thing they’ve always wanted, the attractive home-maker, the Betty Draper, or in the latest episode, the hot 25 year old secretary which Don proposes to (and Joan and Peggy really get upset over).

      Putting this into Zuckerburg’s world it is no surprise he acts the way he does. He’s been fighting the jocks all his life and getting little to no attention from the women. It’s no surprise the monster he is is the monster his world has created.

    • BK says:

      08:21am | 25/10/10

      The portrayal may well have made the women look bad. That doesn’t make it untrue.

    • martin says:

      08:58am | 25/10/10

      No one blames the girls for wanting the beautiful man, everyone wants the beautiful partner and not the fat one with zits. It’s the bullying.

      I think a lot of people feel comfortable with this stereotype of ‘nerds’ because we can do what you do, but you can’t do what we do. You are inferior.

    • Zeta says:

      09:03am | 25/10/10

      Sorkin’s great talent is he can take the most unpredictable subjects and make them thematically interesting stories out of them - he took politics and made it a meditation on friendship and fatherhood in West Wing, he took the procedural minutae of constructing comedy and made it dramatic and political on Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip - you look at where he falls down and it’s where he doesn’t have that subtext - Charlie Wilson’s War falls apart because he tried to tell the story of the Afghanistan War by making a film about Afghanistan.

      Having already seen it a couple of times (thank you Internet, I promise I’ll pay for it in a theatre as well) it’s that kind of Sorkin story telling. You’ve got these young men literally on the cusp of changing the world and how we communicate but they themselves can’t communicate. They struggle to communicate with each other and they fail at communicating with women at all. So you’ve got the creation of a social network as a metaphor for their very exclusion from the social network they created Facebook to be a part of.

    • TheRealDave says:

      09:19am | 25/10/10

      I bet this movie is about as realistic as ‘The Pirates of Silicon Valley’

    • Eyeswiredopen says:

      02:02pm | 25/10/10

      Even Blind Fredie can see that in the movie Zuckerberg acts out of a sense of revenge caused by his sexual rejection and that he’s anxious to gain entry into the inner sanctum of the Harvard clubs as a way to gain access to women.

      The whole point - and it’s made absolutely clear in the screenplay - is that - Zuckerberg hardly knows any women and can’t keep a girlfriend (though not in real life; the real Mark Zuckerberg had a steady girlfriend through much of the period covered, but I guess Aaron Sorkin figured this didn’t fit with his sexually-frustrated-nerds theme).

      I’m astonished that people here are unable to see that when a film (or TV series) depicts men behaving in a sexist manner that does not amount to an endorsement of that behaviour. Commenters say they want to see “intelligent women” but I wish I could see more of that quality in some of the comments here. And those women bussed into Harvard clubs to bag a well-moneyed Alpha Male. Are you saying they don’t exist? And on what evidence?

    • Helen says:

      11:54am | 25/10/10

      I saw the The Social Network on Saturday night and while I thought it was a great movie, I did feel there were a few gratuitous scenes that certainly depicted women poorly.  Intelligent women were few and far between in this movie.

    • Ant Sharwood says:

      12:00pm | 25/10/10

      COULD EVERYONE PLEASE STOP WITH THE BLOODY MAD MEN SPOILERS!!!!!!! Some of us have not yet illegally downloaded the entire series yet, OK?

    • TheRealDave says:

      02:29pm | 25/10/10

      Get with the times Ant - FTA is dead - long live downloading the latest eps fresh off the net!

      BRING ON THE NBN!

    • AFR says:

      03:43pm | 25/10/10

      Ok, i won’t tell you how the fourth season ends….. yet.

    • Cate P says:

      12:33pm | 25/10/10

      Women are habitually disgustingly objectified in pornorgraphy, which is probably the biggest single product accessed over the internet.  Hence, internet addicted nerds would have that view of women.  Women - mothers, wives, sisters, girlfriends, daughters - need to confront the scourge of internet pornography in the home, themselves.  Turn the bloody computer off and teach your boys to respect the women in their lives as equal human beings.  PS Please note Mad Men is not a realistic representation of the ‘60s.  FFS they had a scented candle in his office in the first episode; and there’s too much 21st century relationship angst.  If you want a more authentic look at that world, read “The Man in the Grey Flannel Suit” by Sloan Wilson.

    • Markus says:

      01:50pm | 25/10/10

      Are you suggesting that a guy cannot possibly respect any girl he has a sexual attraction toward?
      I hope to God you don’t ever have sons.

    • TheRealDave says:

      02:47pm | 25/10/10

      “Women are habitually disgustingly objectified in pornorgraphy,”

      You mean to tell me shiela’s aren’t ‘gagging’ for it with any bloke who just happens to stroll by to ‘clean the pool’??

      WTF?!?!

      PORN LIED TO ME?!?!?!

      Say it aint so! No, I can’t accept it. Sorry. Next you’ll be telling me the ordinary shiela next door doesn’t actually want her hot girlfriend joining in.

    • marley says:

      02:48pm | 25/10/10

      @Cate P - first, yes women are objectified in pornography, but oddly enough there are a whole lot of men (and women) out there who don’t access it, either on the internet or anywhere else.  And I’d be rather surprised if it was in fact “the biggest single product accessed over the internet.”  I’d think it far more likely that the news, sports scores, and Wikipedia would trump porn anywhere, anytime.  And then there’s the really big one for the nerd set - on-line games.

      So, by all means turn the computer off and actually talk to people.  But you might want to think about encouraging your daughters to respect the men in their lives as individual human beings as well, and not stereotype them as porn-addicted social deviates.

      And by the way, if I want an accurate reflection of the 60s, why would I read a book written in 1955?

    • Dan says:

      06:47pm | 25/10/10

      Not all pornography is the same, and ultimately whether women are objectified in pornography or not is irrelevent; it’s not illegal, the women choose to participate in the porn, and men who watch porn (not all internet addicted nerds access porn BTW) have nothing to apologise for the fact that they have a sex drive.

    • Steve Smith says:

      01:45pm | 25/10/10

      Cate, let’s be fair for a second… Internet addiction is not the same as pornography addiction. So maybe, not all “Internet addicted nerds” have this view of women.

      Mad Men is a fictional story set in the 60s, easily one of the best shows on TV. Not because of it’s accuracy, but because of it’s storytelling. FFS you’re complaining about scented candles, but overlooking “that’s toasted” which was used in the 50s.

    • Cate P says:

      04:23pm | 25/10/10

      So maybe they don’t; but I’ve met a lot who do.  Are you telling me that people who spend most of their waking hours on the internet are never going to access porn?  Please convince me of this, I’d be glad if it were true.  Mad Men is just a 21st century soapie with cool 60s stuff round.  I don’t like it.

    • Steve Smith says:

      06:18pm | 25/10/10

      So you have met a lot of “internet addicted nerds” who objectify women? And you’re putting this down to watching pornography?

      Well, while we’re generalising.. What about the women who marry these “internet addicted nerds” once they make their first billion dollars? Do they watch a weird type of nerd porn that objectifies males?

    • hot tub political machine says:

      02:21pm | 25/10/10

      Is it weird to anyone else that we are talking about how accurately two fictional character (Film based Zuckerberg and complete fiction Draper) portray real life misogny?

      Like any account of a historical person which is used in a deliberate fiction (yes I know pure documentary isn’t necessarily fiction free but it tries a bit harder than films like the social network) - I think we need to take anything they say about reality with a grain of salt.

      What these fictions illuminate about reality is the commentary they (often unwittingly) make on their producers and audiences

    • fairsfair says:

      03:51pm | 25/10/10

      Biggest thing I have taken away from this article - Don and Betty don’t get back together. Goddammit! I know I am a season or two behind dealing with Sunday night episodes on SBS - but far out - I flatly refuse to get pay TV - they have only just split up and have hardly mentioned divorce - now he has a new finace???

      Thanks for ruining it Tors!!!!! wink

    • Cate P says:

      04:29pm | 25/10/10

      Let me see: 
      Markus:  No.
      TheReal Dave:  ha ha, good one
      Marley:  yes. true. maybe not.  I’d like stats. my daughters do.  The men in my life aren’t.  the early 60s weren’t all that different to the 50s.  See also reply to Steve Smith if interested.

    • marley says:

      07:35pm | 25/10/10

      Cate P.  The mid 50s were in fact a whole lot different to the 60s. By about ‘62 or ‘63, the men and women who had gotten a successful foothold on life after the Depression and the war, and were just starting to enjoy a measure of prosperity,  were being overtaken by a bunch of irreverent, inconsiderate, irrepressible boomers with a very different world view.  The vibe changed - and it involved a whole lot more than bright clothes and long hair.

      Issues that hadn’t even been thought of in the 50s became political and social wildfire in the 60s - feminism,  environmentalism,  the civil rights movement in the US, radical nihilism in Europe, and of course the anti-war movement in quite a few countries. Very different from the comparative social and political quiescence of the 50s. So no, the 60s weren’t like the 50s.

      As for men and porn, well, I simply don’t believe the average guy is coming home to gawk at porn on the computer.  I’d like your evidence to the contrary.  You’re the one who’s claiming this high rate of porn access so you provide the figures.

    • Chris L says:

      11:16pm | 25/10/10

      Who cares if they do watch porn. I have yet to hear (read) someone explain how they came about the opinion that watching porn leads to thinking of women as objects. Not many guys get sexually aroused by objects.

    • Cate P says:

      04:33pm | 25/10/10

      Let me see:
      Markus:  no
      TheRealDave:  ha ha good one
      marley:  yes.  true.  maybe not.  I’d like stats.  My daughters do.  The men in my life aren’t.  The early 60s weren’t all that different to the late 50s, people were questioning themselves and their priorities then too. TMITGFS does it better.
      See also reply to Steve Smith if interested.

 

Facebook Recommendations

Read all about it

Punch live

Up to the minute Twitter chatter

ToryShepherd

@Cmdr_Hadfield @mattpturner Hope you have sweet views while you heal

Lucy Kippist

RT @HeatherSmithAU: Can living in another country change your life for the better? by @lucyjk on @newscomau f. moi http://t.co/E5Ma3kBut2

David Penberthy

@mooks83 sophisticated response. Think the kids parents saw it differently

David Penberthy

More class from 9's footy show, lampooning a baby that allegedly looks like Sterlo with a pic swiped from Facebook http://t.co/BGoYP6Pn68

Recent posts

The latest and greatest

The Punch is moving house

The Punch is moving house

Good morning Punchers. After four years of excellent fun and great conversation, this is the final post…

Will Pope Francis have the vision to tackle this?

Will Pope Francis have the vision to tackle this?

I have had some close calls, one that involved what looked to me like an AK47 pointed my way, followed…

Advocating risk management is not “victim blaming”

Advocating risk management is not “victim blaming”

In a world in which there are still people who subscribe to the vile notion that certain victims of sexual…

Nosebleed Section

choice ringside rantings

From: Hasbro, go straight to gaol, do not pass go

Tim says:

They should update other things in the game too. Instead of a get out of jail free card, they should have a Dodgy Lawyer card that not only gets you out of jail straight away but also gives you a fat payout in compensation for daring to arrest you in the first place. Instead of getting a hotel when you… [read more]

From: A guide to summer festivals especially if you wouldn’t go

Kel says:

If you want a festival for older people or for families alike, get amongst the respectable punters at Bluesfest. A truly amazing festival experience to be had of ALL AGES. And all the young "festivalgoers" usually write themselves off on the first night, only to never hear from them again the rest of… [read more]

Gentle jabs to the ribs

Superman needs saving

Superman needs saving

Can somebody please save Superman? He seems to be going through a bit of a crisis. Eighteen months ago,… Read more

28 comments

Newsletter

Read all about it

Sign up to the free News.com.au newsletter