Sometimes you can meet a person and feel blessed. I don’t mean touched by the hand of God. I just mean you feel renewed, restored and pretty sure there’s goodness in the world. And that, in itself, is a blessing.

Ku Klux Klan burn crosses at Stone Mountain Rally, in Georgia, in 1989. Photo: New York Paid

The man in question is the Reverend Dr Thomas Lane Butts Jr, aged 81, retired pastor of the Uniting Methodist Church in Monroe County, Alabama. His older brother was a member of the Ku Klux Klan. The Rev Butts was not.

He battled the Klan for years, but particularly in the 1950s, when Alabama and neighbouring Mississippi were the Klan heartlands. They had always been a presence, but had in recent years been sleeping lightly. Their cause was fully awoken as the Civil Rights movement began its fight in the south.

In this part of the world, turn on the car radio and you’ll need to keep hitting that search button for try to escape the good old boy preachers who rant about Satan comin’ to git ya. Their hatred for homosexuals is unconcealed.

And then you’ll need to keep pressing to get past the bad country God bands in order to find some good atheist rock.
The Rev Butts may look like a flashy southern preacher. He wears a white pin-stripe suit, white stocking socks and black patent slip on shoes with gold buckles. But his lovely southern drawl - in which you can hear the voice of Johnny Cash, who grew up next door in Mississippi—is gentle and steady. He doesn’t want your soul, or your money.

In an hour-long conversation with the Rev Butts, he didn’t mention Satan or God, except to say that he started off trying to save people but in the end realised the only person who needed saving was himself.

Tom Butts grew up on a two-mule farm near Repton, in the south-west of the state. Nowhere was race more sharply segregated than Alabama. It was not too far from here in the capital, Montgomery, where Rosa Parks was arrested in 1955 for not giving up her bus seat to a white passenger on a town bus. In Birmingham, white supremacists bombed black churches and businesses.

The Klan could count on the support of at least one third of the population in any town or city. They were embedded in the police forces, the city halls, and the churches. 

Not all Klan members lynched, tortured, bashed and bombed. But all of them made threats. Much of their activity was subtle but grinding. They threatened simply by their very existence, but also issued intimidation in the form of menacing notes, smear campaigns and the burning of crosses.

Of course, it got much worse than that. The photo in the Birmingham Civil Rights museum of the two black teenagers hanging from a tree in a town square, while the white crowd smiles and points, depicts cruelty less fathomable than any murder carried out in times of war or civil insurrection. 

There’s a white satin Klan robe in the same museum, donated by “Anonymous”. But the photo proves you didn’t need to wear white robes to be in the Klan.

“I grew up in a county where they used to say 50 per cent of the sheets had eyeholes cut in them,” says Rev Butts. “I didn’t have much direct contact with the Klan when I was growing up. I knew of their existence.

“But later my older brother became a member of the Klan in Mobile (on the coast). When I came home from graduate school in 1957, I was assigned to a church in Mobile with about 700 members, in a low-rent section of town, all of them rednecks - and I can say that, because that’s what I am - and that’s where I had my first direct confrontation with the Klan.
“I had been at that church three months. And I got a visit from three or four men from the church, who came to advise me that it was the policy of the church that every third Sunday night the Klan would visit the church.

“They said, ‘We’ll come in with our robes and our hoods on, and when you’re singing your first hymn, we’ll march down the aisle, put money on the altar, go out the side doors, take off our regalia and come back in and worship.’

My God, I was only 27 years old. I didn’t know what to say. I finally said to them: ‘I don’t have a police force. I can’t stop you. And I’m not sure I would if I could. But if you put money on the altar in my church while I’m pastor, in the name of the Klan, when you go out the side door I’m going to scoop it up and throw it out after you.

“They never came. I thought everything was cool. And then in late in December there was a group of black ministers who drew up a petition to integrate the busses in Mobile. And their petition was to the city fathers, asking that the white line be erased.

“The white line, in case you don’t know, is the line in the bus, in front of which no black person could sit. They had to sit in the back. When they got on the bus, they came to the front door, paid their fare, walked to the back door and got on. And when the back filled, no matter how many seats were vacant up front, no black person could sit there.

“So the petition asked for the white line to be erased, for black drivers to be hired. A few of us clergy decided to support our black brothers.”

The next day, the petition was front-page news in the Mobile paper. “It listed all of our names, the churches we served, and there was a scathing editorial against us for having the temerity to mess with politics as holy men.

The first night they burned a cross in front of my church. The second night they burned a cross in front of my house. A week later they called a meeting of church members. About 75 came together to fire me.

Rev Butts confronted them, explaining that the Klan did not have the power to remove him from the church. Only the bishop could do that.

“So, in order to express their anger, they started withholding their money.” He began receiving letters addressed to “Mr” Butts, rather than Rev Butts, saying they would withhold money from the collection plate until he promised to apologise.

“It got to the point where it was hard to pay the light bill,” he says. “I was getting threatening calls.”

A man came to kill me one night. He didn’t get in any further than the back door.

Rev Butts’ older brother was working in a paper mill in Mobile. “When my name hit the papers he called me up and said, ‘You son of a bitch. I hope I never hear your name again as long as I live.’ And for several years we were estranged. But we overcame it. We were brothers. I didn’t change his mind and he never changed mine, but we were brothers. I had embarrassed him, mostly. He was embarrassed that his brother was a nigger lover.”

Rev Butts learned he had at least one white supporter in Mobile, apart from his wife. “One afternoon, I was sitting in my little office. I was looking out the window. I was thinking about how I could leave the south. I saw a woman coming across the lawn.

“She said she wanted to make a donation, handed me an envelope and kept walking. I opened it. It had two bills. I had never seen a one hundred dollar bill before. Two hundred dollars was a lot of money. 

“I showed my wife. She said, ‘That’s wonderful. How are you going to get it into the system?’ I said, ‘What do you mean?’ She said, ‘You can’t take it to the treasurer because he’s a member of the Klan. You can’t put it in the offering plate.’”

Rev Butts knew a banker in a nearby town, went to see him and got the money broken down to smaller denominations.

“The lady came every Friday, bringing me between $200 to $500 in one hundred dollar bills. And every Sunday morning and every Sunday night, when every eye was closed and every head was bowed, I’d drop a $20 into each plate.

“It was my first experience laundering money. We took care of all the bills and no one ever knew how we were able to do that. They still hounded me. The bishop offered to move me. And I said, no, leave me here. I’ll either make a church out of this or they’ll break me. I ended up staying five years.”

The Klan followed the Rev Butts to his next church across the bay from Mobile in Foley. “They sent letters ahead, everywhere I’d go. They said I was a communist, or communist-inspired, or a socialist and a nigger lover and an integrationist.”

Pressure also came from the White Citizens Council. They were the equivalent of the Klan, but wore suits and ties. “Their slur was that you were a communist. I happen to be theologically and socially liberal. But I survived it. The last communication I had with the Klan was about 1984, when I was back in the Mobile area. I came home one afternoon and there was a Klan card in the door, with a note:

We are watching you, and we don’t like what we see.

“And that’s the last I ever heard of them.”

Rev Butts met Dr Martin Luther King before he became well known. King, a Baptist, stunned him with his erudition, gentleness and general brilliance. “Martin Luther King was the first black person that I ever met who was not a field hand,” says Rev Butts. “And he had a PhD from Boston.”

People sometimes ask Rev Butts how he developed his views, growing up as he did. He says his little sister taught him. “We used to sit on the front porch and wait for the little school bus to pick us up and take us to Repton, eight miles away,” he says.

“And while we were there a little group of black children would walk past our house. We knew they’d already been walking for an hour. And we knew when drove to Repton and got off our bus, they were still walking. They went to a little rundown school in Nichburg, with worn-out text books that had been used by white children and thrown out and given to black people.

“And I’ll never forget my baby sister, when she was in the first grade, saying: ‘Why can’t they get on the bus and go to school with us?’ See, she hadn’t become a racist yet. And the older people would say, ‘Well, you’ll understand when you grow up.’ But she never did understand and I never did either. There was something bad wrong.

“I did not have a black classmate till I left the south to study. Not a single one. I look back on it now and realise how really oppressive it was for black people. And what was oppressive for them was oppressive for white people too, unbeknownst to them.

“To hold someone down, you have been down there with them, holding them down. We were wounded by racism, not as much as black people, but we were wounded also.

“Integration would never have come calmly in the south. It took the shedding of blood, a revolution. When you’re holding four aces, you don’t want to re-deal. And we in the south would never have given in, had we not been forced to by the law. I’m surprised that I survived professionally in the south. I came that close to leaving. Many ministers did leave.”

Rev Butts does not feel he’s describing ancient history. The views of the south are deeply held, and many from those times are still alive and have taught their children. The battlegrounds now are the oppression of Mexican immigrants, legal or otherwise, and gay and lesbians.

He’s not a person who feels any cause is hopeless. He did his older brother’s funeral three years ago. “In the latter years of his life he joined a Pentecostal Assembly of God church, which had black preachers. But my brother sat and worshipped with black people. He was still racist, but he changed.”

Paul Toohey is News Ltd’s US Correspondent. His column, American Story, appears every Saturday on the app sites of the major News Ltd papers.

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    • atthepub says:

      07:08am | 29/07/11

      Cheers Paul, awesome story. May Butts continue to kick many more for a long time to come.
      Moral of the story; whenever we marginalise anyone we’re doing our own version of the kkk.

    • SD says:

      09:44am | 29/07/11

      What a stretch of the bow attepub. Your moral to the story is yet another attempt to stop people from standing up against the actions of pressure groups that want to subvert the fabric of our society.

    • PTom says:

      12:09pm | 29/07/11

      @SD,
      Occured to the Whites in Southern US it was the black pressure group that subvert the fabric of their society.  So are you saying you would have opposed black pressure group that demanded equal rights?

    • Economist says:

      12:42pm | 29/07/11

      SD you couldn’t be more wrong. What was the key sentence in Paul’s bio of Butts, “And we in the south would never have given in, had we not been forced to by the law”. So for all the castigation of the so called left (pressure group) and enlightened right their activities have benefited society, in this case equal rights for African Americans.. How is that destroying the fabric of society? Obviously people don’t realise that the action of a few can change the world for the better. What you think we’ve developed a civil society because the majority wanted it? No some of the time the majority have had to have been been dragged into it.  Learn some history and don;t take for granted what we have.

      The majority is not always right.

    • SD says:

      03:39pm | 29/07/11

      Economist, I have no problem with what you say, the issue I have is with atthepub’s moral. According to his definition, if I am opposing Sharia Law being forced onto Australia by a small vocal group, I am no better than the kkk. IE to put it bluntly, he is effectively saying that the minority are always right and we are nasty people (kkk) if we fight for our nation. Sorry, but there are many times that the minority are not right and their views are very counterproductive to the society. I also find it sickening when they expect us to change the fundamental values and culture of a nation because they refuse to integrate and blend the enriching aspects of their culture with ours and instead oppress our culture with the assistance of the PC crowd and parasitic lawyers.

      PTom, your card is marked for your bias, spinning of peoples words and intent, thus crawl back under your rock.

    • PTom says:

      04:56pm | 29/07/11

      @SD,
      So much for freedom of speech it fine for your to dish up some anti-any other culture crap taking over my culture when some one reference the article about majority aren’t always right you moan about your words being taken out of context, yet they don’t seem much different to @Economist

      BTW Yes I am bias and so are you, and for that matter so is everyone.

    • atthepub says:

      07:07pm | 29/07/11

      SD where did I say that the minority are always right? I did not say nor infer that. I said that whenever we marginalise anyone we’re doing our own version of the kkk. Didn’t say nuthin about minority groups.

    • Tom says:

      01:02pm | 30/07/11

      This jiving about “the majority not always right” and “the minority not always right” forgets a number of realities. The issue is about power over the dialog and power of the dialog.

      Yes, our old pal, political correctness. It was politically correct to vilify negroes in those days. As the article pointed out, not every Southern American agreed with murder by the KKK (the majority were probably either ignorant of it or against it but too afraid to speak out). The fact is that the dialog would have been under the control of the KKK at the time and the “safety” of a position indicated what was politically correct.

      Any extrapolations to modern day should be greeted with extreme suspicion. When in doubt, apply the “safety meter”. Today it seems pretty “safe” to vilify whites whereas back then it was “safe” and (politically correct) to vilify blacks.

    • KP says:

      12:39am | 31/07/11

      Tom is my father’s best friend. My father sent this article to me. You did an excellent job capturing the man I know. My favorite line is, “To hold someone down, you have been down there with them, holding them down. We were wounded by racism, not as much as black people, but we were wounded also.” As a public school teacher in a white majority community in the rural south I hear racist comments from students. There are times I have wanted to move somewhere else, a place where I am with people that share my beliefs. Tom’s comments are a gentle reminder of a truth that can be expressed by example as he has done with integrity.

    • CJ Morgan says:

      07:11am | 29/07/11

      Nice piece from Paul Toohey.  It seems timely to remind us that the blatant racism embodied in the KKK was at its peak only 50 years ago.  Fortunately, the sorts of thuggery described by Rev Butts are now largely a thing of the past, although it’s arguable that it’s simply found new targets.

      It’s also sobering to remember that parts of rural Australia harboured very similar and blatant racism in those days too, and to this day we still have “KKK” branches in some areas, including not too far from where I live.  Fortunately, the less than numerous members seem to be sad, middle-aged losers who are probably more deserving of pity than ostracism.

      But they’re still there, which is a worry for 21st century Australia.

    • ZSRenn says:

      08:12am | 29/07/11

      CJ Morgan Give me a break!

      What about the blatant Ageism you just professed. Did you not get anything from the story? Did you even read it? Sheesh!

      With such hypocrisy and in so few short words you have made yourself as ignorant as the so called “middle age losers” you describe.

    • iansand says:

      08:13am | 29/07/11

      Have you read some of the comments about Islam on this site?  KKK attitudes are alive and well.

    • Bev says:

      08:31am | 29/07/11

      A bigger worry is getup and the greens particularly Christine Milne.  The average person in the street looks at the steel in her eyes and the expressions on her face and observes the face of a would be tyrant.
      Is getups increasing militancy and letter writing campaigns threating businesses over the carbon tax any different (except in level) to other extremest organizations. Is Greens Senator Lee Rhiannon actions so different to what happened in Germany 75 years ago?  People are frightened, rightly so.

    • TChong says:

      08:59am | 29/07/11

      Bev- I think you are trowelling it on pretty thickly if you can some how equate the Greens with the “Germany 75 years ago” , ie Nazis.
      Godwins law ?
      AS for those steely Milne eyes, at least she shows her face, unlike the disgusting scum who hide under bed sheets.
      People are “frightened “? Really ? “frightened” ?
      Frightened like people had good reason to be of ‘Germany 75 years ago” ?
      Guess you can talk yourself into anything

    • Anna C says:

      09:17am | 29/07/11

      “Have you read some of the comments about Islam on this site?  KKK attitudes are alive and well.”

      Iansand, I suppose you think that Muslims are never racist and intolerant and are as pure as the driven snow? Well not from my experience. Muslims are just as bad as everyone else if not worse because they are not used to living in multicultural societies like ours.

    • persephone says:

      09:29am | 29/07/11

      Bev

      there are extremists on both sides; you should equally condemn those who are making death threats against the PM, scientists, and (as was noted here the other day) even journalists.

      I don’t have much time for Christine Milne, but to suggest her words or actions (or those of GetUp) are anywhere near as worrying as those of the extremists making the statements I refer to above is simply ridiculous.

    • Hermano says:

      09:43am | 29/07/11

      Wow Bev,
      What an amazing leap: from the KKK to the Greens.
      Also, you just invoked Godwin’s Law.

    • dancan says:

      09:48am | 29/07/11

      Wow.  Godwin’s law in the space of an hour.  Extraordinary!

      Nice work Bev

    • Sam says:

      10:26am | 29/07/11

      Where is Bev’s massive leap. The kkk showed an extreme intolerance to the blacks, muck like the zeal the Greens show to silencing anyone that has a different opinion to them. Guess you can’t expect much more from the Greens when their geneses is from the GreenPeace movement that was coincidently abandoned by its foundation members because it was taken over by Marxists. Hence the Greens tag of Watermelons.

    • v says:

      10:32am | 29/07/11

      Interesting comment iansand given the well none intolerance of Islam as practiced in many countries. Obviously your head is well and truly in the sand. As a test, send a woman over to Iran in a skimpy bikini and see how long she lasts. But of course the west is racist if it bands the hajab in public, which is in consistent with our stance on bike helmets, balaclavas, etc.

    • iansand says:

      10:43am | 29/07/11

      Anna C - Are you proud that you set your own standards by the lowest available standard?  Is the race for the bottom a race worth winning?

    • Bev says:

      10:59am | 29/07/11

      @TChong I suggest you look at the pictures here.
      http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/rhiannon_backs_the_campaign_that_whips_up_such_familiar_hatred/
      Before you dismiss it out of hand because it was in Bolts blog at least look at the pictures.  As for Godwins law it is difficult to talk about Germany/jews and not have somebody envoke Godwins law. So I make no apologies.  Drawing parallels with history can be useful.  I’m assuming you don’t agree with what Greens Senator Lee Rhiannon instigated? Or do you?
      I don’t know what circles you move in but since I am older? many of whom have seen what extremes can do, yes they are frightened by the greens.  One of our friends who died a short time ago excaped from Hungary in 1956 as a 12 year old boy with his older brother and friend who didn’t make it because he stepped on a land mine crossing the border.  He always remember being covered in “bits”. He drew parallels with some of the greens pronouncements.  We scoffed at the time.  We are not scoffing now.

      @persephone I am just nauseated by extremism no matter who carries it out. We have several nasty racist groups in Australia and I find them totally abhorrent as I do anyone who makes excuses for them.

    • Matt F says:

      11:01am | 29/07/11

      V - so because certain islamic countries are intolerant in their views we should be intolerant back (even to those of the Muslim faith who do not share those views?) That sounds very much like the schoolyard “he/she started it” line

    • Tchom says:

      11:13am | 29/07/11

      @ Sam “Where is Bev’s massive leap”
      The Greens write pamphlets, make ad campaigns and support an unpopular tax - the KKK hung people from trees and set buildings on fire. Its an absurd argument to draw similarities, and painting these absurd caricatures of the Greens as Nazis or the Greens as the KK serves no purpose other than to make your own position look less appealing to moderates. Calm down and rationalise your arguments (preferably in the comments section of an article that actually has something to do with the Greens)

    • MarkS says:

      11:32am | 29/07/11

      The Greens do not look like the Nazi’s, they look like the Khmer Rouge. Left wing, anti tech Luddite extremists.

      All extremist’s have no regard for those who do not agree with them, people who do not think the correct thoughts are the enemy of the planet. The Greens wish to go back to an imagined non tech world where people will no longer damage the environment. The Khmer Rouge wished to return to year zero.

      The only difference between the Khmer Rouge & the Greens at present is that the Khmer Rouge was honest enough to admit that as they wanted a non tech land, the attainment of which requires killing lots of people, they also wanted to kill lots of people. They then set out to make the land they wanted.

      The Greens are not that honest yet, allow them power & maybe they will try to create the world they wish.

    • James1 says:

      11:40am | 29/07/11

      “As a test, send a woman over to Iran in a skimpy bikini and see how long she lasts. But of course the west is racist if it bands the hajab in public, which is in consistent with our stance on bike helmets, balaclavas, etc.”

      Not racist.  Just heading down the same path as Iran.  You do realise that if you don’t like the freedom we have here, and would prefer to live somewhere more oppressive, there are many planes flying out of our airports.

      On the KKK in Australia, I have actually had some direct experience of them myself while living in Toowoomba.  A friend of mine from high school got himself mixed up with some skinhead, who used to drive around on Friday nights looking for gangs of Aborigines to fight.  When these young Romper Stomper inspired skinheads came of age, they started a KKK branch just north of Toowoomba in Crows Nest.  I once even received a pamphlet from them exhorting me to join.  To my knowledge - which is, admittedly, anecdotal - none of them were older.  They were all young men in the late teens and early twenties.  The older racists in Toowoomba are all - again, in my anecdotal and direct experience - abject cowards, who will talk about it and use nasty epithets in private, when they think you agree with them, but always back down when challenged, and would never dream of attempting to take direct action as does the KKK.

    • Bev says:

      11:52am | 29/07/11

      Tchom says:11:13am | 29/07/11
      “The Greens write pamphlets, make ad campaigns and support an unpopular tax ” 
      So picketing jews shops isn’t some what overboard? 
      Attempting to muzzle the opposition or as the greens want shut down newspapers isn’t some what overboard?
      Spiking trees (to injure woodcutters) or wrecking expensive machinery
      isn’t some what overboard?
      Destroying GM experimental crops isn’t some what overboard?

      “Greens as Nazis or the Greens as the KK serves no purpose”
      I did not claim they were Nazis marxists indulged in the same intolerance and actions.

      “Calm down and rationalise your arguments (preferably in the comments section of an article that actually has something to do with the Greens) “
      Except the chances are if it was a green pub (or one symathetic to them) my comments would never be published.  The censorship levels are extremely high for non yesmen.

    • v says:

      12:05pm | 29/07/11

      Nice twist Matt F. Take the Hajab for instance, we have laws around the covering of a face which Australians are expected to abide and common curtesy social norms. The Hajab wearers however think their above the law the moment anyone challenges them, ie police, there is a tirade of racist calls that the simple minded Latte Left flock together with. Just as you have done with your twist to defend their intolerance to our culture. Before you add the next simpleton addition, I realize that the majority do respect the law and our traditions.

    • AFR says:

      12:17pm | 29/07/11

      “As a test, send a woman over to Iran in a skimpy bikini and see how long she lasts” - ahhh… this old chesnut. I’ve never been to Iran, so am unable to say how long they would “last”, but are you seriously suggesting we should be aspiring to be like Iran? In Australia, I would hope we aspire to giving all freedoms of speech, religion, how to dress etc, and not resort to “you know you are you said you are but what am I?” mentality that 5 year olds espouse.

    • Joan says:

      12:23pm | 29/07/11

      Plenty of bigots out there as you read here - `And then you’ll need to keep pressing to get past the bad country God bands in order to find some good atheist rock.` Just shows anyone can be a bigot in their own way. Of course bigots don’t realise they are bigots, because they are so absorbed in their self-righteousness.

    • James1 says:

      12:28pm | 29/07/11

      So, to you, Joan, not wanting to listen to faith-oriented music and preferring other forms of music is bigotry?

      Am I a bigot for thinking that Lady Gaga is rubbish?

    • Joan says:

      12:51pm | 29/07/11

      James1: We all have preferences, but this isn’t a discussion about merits of one music over another. There was no need to bring up music in this piece. It was just a bigot being a bigot. You don’t have to wear a white sheet, just what you write and how you phrase it or say it , says is all.

    • Knemon says:

      01:03pm | 29/07/11

      @ Bev - Thanks for the link to the Andrew Bolt blog, to counter-balance that I’ve supplied you with a link to ‘actual’ Green policies (and not some extremist’s point of view), read it and then come back with one example from it that relates or ties The Greens to Nazi-ism.

      http://greens.org.au/policies

      The biggest difference between The Greens and that of the conservative side of politics is Green politicians are allowed to voice their opinions openly, that’s not to say it’s party policy, unlike the LNP & ALP whose politicians opinions are suppressed by the party hierarchy (which party reminds you more of pre-war Germany now?), and conservatives have the gall to call that democracy.

      BTW - That was a nice article Paul Toohey, just a pity about some of the comments, thank-you.

    • Matt F says:

      01:08pm | 29/07/11

      V - I actually agree with people showing their face in banks, customs, upon reasonable police requests etc.  I just don’t believe we should ban it entirely as i don’t see how you can free someone from oppresion by telling them they can’t wear/do something. If they are forced to wear it against their will that’s a different story…..

      As for the “social norms” remark, i find a Niqab far less offensive then a “we grew here, you flew here” t-shirt but I’m not going to call for it to be banned.

      Believe it or not there is a sizeable majority of people who can actually reside in the middle on this issue, in between the “ban it everywhere” people on the far right and the “let them do what they like” people on the far left. Not everything’s a simple Left/Right divide you know. In fact nothing is.

      My previous comment was directed to the other part of your original comment where you seemed to imply that because they don’t let us do something over there then we shouldn’t let them do something here. I think one of the best things about our country is that we do welcome a variety of cultural customs/practices.

      Oh, and for your information the garment that covers the face is the Niqab. The Hijab shows the face. It helps to know the actual name of the thing your talking about, especially before throwing out a “simpleton” remark.

    • undertow says:

      01:29pm | 29/07/11

      Wow, an article that goes some way to restoring our faith in humanity and the trolls are out in force attempting to derail it into an argument about a perceived Nazi Green Communist plot. 

      The plot has been done to death on kids TV, so get over it and get a grip.
      Pinky: Gee, Brain, what do you want to do tonight?
      Brain: The same thing we do every night, Pinky - try to take over the world!

    • The Rock says:

      01:29pm | 29/07/11

      Those militant letter writers are truly terrifying. And how dare they pick and chose which businesses the want to patronise based on environmental issues.

      What next? Democracy?

    • Greg says:

      01:29pm | 29/07/11

      TChong wrote: “AS for those steely Milne eyes, at least she shows her face, unlike the disgusting scum who hide under bed sheets.”

      But I thought that you supported people wearing burgas.

    • Tracker says:

      01:53pm | 29/07/11

      F*ck off with your Godwins Law. If anyone wants to make similarities between Nazi’s, Vikings, Romans, Wiggles or whatever they they are bloody well entitled to because we learn from history.. and sometimes forget and put our fingers back in the fire again.. to err is human. People who cry Godwins Law are just about as f*cked up as Godwin was and are just trying to kill the topic. You want Godwins Law then join friggen Getup, Greenpeace, Greens, ALP, KKK or your local Union, there are equally minded people in all of those organisations that will happily set rules on what you can and cannot say. F*ck that makes me angry when morons don’t have anything better to say than friggen godwins law, godwins law, godwins law… f*ckheads! (post this please).

    • nihonin says:

      02:10pm | 29/07/11

      Undertow, Pinky and the Brain, one the best cartoons round.

    • James1 says:

      02:14pm | 29/07/11

      Sorry Joan but I still don’t get it.  Can you elaborate on why expressing dislike of a type of music is bigotry for me?  You have established why it might not have been relevant - although it does provide context - but not why it is bigoted.

    • hot tub political machine says:

      02:25pm | 29/07/11

      I think “Bev” is having quite a laugh at you guys for taking her comments seriously.

    • andye says:

      02:32pm | 29/07/11

      @v - Iranians rose up recently and some were killed as they fought for increased personal freedoms. Having been to Iran on a couple of occasions, I can tell you they live under an oppressive regime which only has support from a minority. They want to be free from laws that tell them how to dress, how to live, how they can express themselves. You insult these brave people when you compare our country to Iran and say that is why we should legislate some clothing. People die for the freedoms you want to take away because you apparently don’t like a religion.

      Also, you dont see the full face covering in Iran. At most you see the chador, which leaves the face uncovered, just like the nuns I see walking around Surry Hills sometimes. Are we going to ban those nuns as well?

    • andye says:

      02:43pm | 29/07/11

      @Bev - The greens want to shut down newspapers? You have a lot of strong opinions for someone who cant be bothered actually learning the facts. The question is about concentration of ownership. the question is about making the press more free. Guess in which country one person controls 70% of the media? This one! its not even the first government reviw of media ownership. There was some in the 80s and 90s. Was it OMG NAZI GERMANY then? Are we all goosestepping now?

    • Chris says:

      03:45pm | 29/07/11

      Andye, have you ever heard of a Trojan Hourse. Greens and Labor have clearly identified the media outlets that don’t tow their crap and the investigation is aimed at pressuring them to be yes men OR be crippled. As to your carry on attacking a relavent referance to the Nazi’s that had a similar media approach, you goose.

    • andye says:

      05:27pm | 29/07/11

      @Chris - Oh of course. You are totally right. This is in fact a giant conspiracy that you just made up, but that doesnt make it any less true. Labor/Greens are EXACTLY like the nazis, this is a fair and reasonable assessment and not a ridiculously self indulgent exaggeration. No, sir.

      Quick question: the British appear to be even more upset about this whole media ownership thing and Murdoch only has 40% over there (unlike our 70%), so does that make the british government nazis too? It makes me a little confused, because those guys are the conservative party, right? If they aren’t nazis, can you let me know the difference cause i find this really confusing and a need your guidance on the proper time to call someone a nazi. Thanks!

    • Bev says:

      05:36pm | 29/07/11

      andye says:02:43pm | 29/07/11

      The greens want to shut down newspapers?
      Indirectly yes.  Their attack is very carefuly aimed at only some sections of the print media.  They are talking about who is fit and proper person to run a newspaper.  Do you know? I don’t.  They also want the Murdock press broken up (have stated so).  Fact newspapers are struggling.  Fact Murdock has a soft spot for print and subsidizes print from other arms of his empire. If the Murdock’s are forced to divest many or all of the newspapers would fold.  Well the greens have an answer a print version of the ABC.  Where is your diversity then? Fairfax and the ABC, 2 rather than 3 outlets.

    • andye says:

      07:20pm | 29/07/11

      @bev - I have lots of friends and connections in News. Hell, I passed on a resume to someone I knew and helped a mate get a job there. I don’t have an issue with the press or think that the Aussie press is particularly bad. I just don’t buy your analysis. We had reviews of media ownership befpre and it wasnt some nefarious plot to destroy the press.

      “Their attack is very carefuly aimed at only some sections of the print media.” Which sections? The 70% owned by Murdoch?

    • Steve says:

      07:43am | 29/07/11

      Awesome story. It is a pity our kids don’t put as much value in sitting down with our older generation as we were once taught, they might find interesting, beautiful learning stories such as this.
      Well done!

    • josh says:

      01:06pm | 29/07/11

      That’s because kids of today know your generation abolished the White Australia Policy and we have been dealing with the consequences our whole lives !

    • Greg says:

      01:32pm | 29/07/11

      No, the kids are too busy trying to cope with the consequences of the sanctimonious, lame-brained decisions of the baby boomers.

    • MarkS says:

      03:17pm | 29/07/11

      @ Josh
      Good looking asian women, very nice consequences. smile

    • andye says:

      05:31pm | 29/07/11

      @josh - Your kind aren’t welcome in my country. Kindly piss off. Thanks!

    • jf says:

      07:51am | 29/07/11

      I saw a story on telly some time ago.

      It was about a bloke who had been a member of the KKK but had turned and become a civil rights activist.

      He was telling a story about how when he was a member of the KKK he approached a black man in a restaurant who happened to be a civil rights figure. This particular man was about to start carving a roast chicken to share with some other people. The KKK guy stood over the black guy and told him, “if you don’t leave I’m going to do to you what you are about to do to that chicken”. So the black guy picked the chicken up and kissed it.

    • Gary says:

      08:54am | 29/07/11

      Ha that’s awesome, love it.

    • A Dose of Reality says:

      10:10am | 29/07/11

      Brilliant - one of those stories that you wish you could say you were there to witness!

    • Ben C says:

      10:48am | 29/07/11

      @ jf

      Johnny Lee Clary is the name, and the other civil rights figure was Reverend Wade Watts.

      I take it you were watching Enough Rope.

    • jf says:

      10:56am | 29/07/11

      Ben C says:10:48am | 29/07/11

      That’s it. Thanks Ben.

    • Cat says:

      08:12am | 29/07/11

      what a good article,  thankyou for sharing a little of this mans life.  It is indeed very energising to hear about a good person who held his head high, reguardless of the fact that doing so put his neck at risk. This week my mother admited to being a bigot and I’m struggling with the knowledge and how to go forward after she admitted to views which were never hinted at before and would normally see me want nothing more to do with a person. I think the good Rev. presents an excellent example to follow re: his relationship with his brother and I can only hope my relative has a change of heart.

    • John Smythe says:

      10:03am | 29/07/11

      Well done! Nice story there Cat. So, did he actually kiss the guy with the chicken?

      and yet another nice piece on the Punch! Variety is the spice of life!

    • John Smythe says:

      11:38am | 29/07/11

      Holy Fail Batman!

      That should have been to jf!

      Sorry Cat.

    • jf says:

      12:50pm | 29/07/11

      John Smythe says:10:03am | 29/07/11

      “Well done! Nice story there Cat. So, did he actually kiss the guy with the chicken?”

      Not sure mate. I reckon he probably went very red in the face at the temerity of a black fella to outwit him. He then probably quietly slinked off to burn a cross or similar. He did, however, become a right’s activist: perhaps this had something to do with it.

    • PTom says:

      02:50pm | 29/07/11

      Cat,
      I spoke up against my mother before I married my wife after she had heard things on radio. It was a bit heated but explained how she would feel if it was her in the same place.  These day things are different if anything she dotes more on my wife and kid then my sisters and theirs.

    • Anne71 says:

      08:29am | 29/07/11

      Remember the argument about the word “hero” the other day? Well, in my opinion, Rev Butts definitely is one. It would have taken a lot of courage for him to take the stance he did in the Deep South of the 50s and 60s.  What a wonderful human being.

    • Fiddler says:

      09:21am | 29/07/11

      I agree. To quote (or similar) Field Marshall Montgomery Slim

      “I have met many people with physical courage and not moral courage, but I have never met a person with moral courage who did not have physical courage”

    • MarkS says:

      09:51am | 29/07/11

      Yes. It is one thing not to join or support single issue hate groups like the KKK that have great power in your society. It requires great courage to openly oppose.

      Courage I know I do not have. There are a number of witch hunts going on at present that I do not support, but I fear to oppose them, even on a forum like this one. How much harder when it is people with torchs & guns in the night as well as social exclusion that one must fear.

    • Greg says:

      02:37pm | 29/07/11

      A hero? Really?

      What happened to him? Was he convicted and gaoled for having an incorrect opinion via a 1950s version of the racial vilification legislation? Was his free speech restricted? Did he lose his job?

      Nothing happened to him.

      Compare and contrast to a South African or Rhodesian farmer.

      Or closer to home, compare to the national vilification, intimidation and gaoling of Pauline Hanson on trumped up charges.

      There is no courage when there is virtually no risk of adverse consequences.

    • MarkS says:

      03:24pm | 29/07/11

      @Greg
      “The first night they burned a cross in front of my church. The second night they burned a cross in front of my house. A week later they called a meeting of church members. About 75 came together to fire me.
      Rev Butts confronted them, explaining that the Klan did not have the power to remove him from the church. Only the bishop could do that.

      “So, in order to express their anger, they started withholding their money.” He began receiving letters addressed to “Mr” Butts, rather than Rev Butts, saying they would withhold money from the collection plate until he promised to apologise.

      “It got to the point where it was hard to pay the light bill,” he says. “I was getting threatening calls.”

      A man came to kill me one night. He didn’t get in any further than the back door.
      Rev Butts’ older brother was working in a paper mill in Mobile. “When my name hit the papers he called me up and said, ‘You son of a bitch. I hope I never hear your name again as long as I live.’ And for several years we were estranged”

      Does not sound like no risk to me. He was villified, estraged from his family, they did try to sack & kill him, the fact that he kept both his job & his life does not mean there no consequences.

      What happened to Pauline Hanson was wrong, but she was in less danger then Mr Butt’s was, white protestors were being murdered in the south.

    • Anne71 says:

      04:11pm | 29/07/11

      Greg, did you even bother to read the article?

      What a shame that such an inspiring blog has been hijacked by the usual frothing-at-the-mouth troll brigade.

    • Greg says:

      04:48pm | 29/07/11

      MarkS, a long post which just verifies what I wrote: nothing happened to him.

      Anne71, is calling me names the only “rebuttal” that you can muster? Pathetic.

    • Fiona says:

      08:43am | 30/07/11

      Greg, clearly to you one isn’t a hero unless he has actually sustained physical injuries of some sort, as opposed to the threat of them. Others, like myself don’t agree. I would not have wanted to be in that mans shoes at all, he was very brave.

    • Greg says:

      01:10am | 01/08/11

      Fiona, he did not suffer from physical attacks, legal attacks or loss of employment. His free speech and freedom of association was not threatened either. Nor was his family threatened.

      All he had to deal with was some opposing opinions. That’s all. Nothing bad happened to him, and there was no credible risk that anything would happen to him.

      He had major, well-funded lobby groups and Big Media on his side. And the US Supreme Court. And the federal government.

      He was not any sort of hero, just another run-of-the-mill political agitator.

    • Gerry W says:

      09:06am | 29/07/11

      KKK should never been allowed as should any Gang. But like many countries they treated colored people badly and still do. Sick people and they had Government on their side. Wake up world.

    • Greg says:

      02:13pm | 29/07/11

      Throughout the 100 year history of the KKK, it’s estimated that, at most, they were responsible for 1000 lynchings.

      There are more black on white muders in the US every single year.

      Of course, while the disproportionately few white on black killings are always classified as “hate crimes”, the disproprtionately high black on white crimes are only ever motivated by “poor socioeconomic backgrounds” caused by “historic white oppression”.

      Niave Australians in the US like Greg McNichols have discovered this for themselves.

      Of course, media still likes to give much more publicity to a smaller number of killings from long ago, rather than larger numbers of more recent ones.

      Wake up world.

    • Ben says:

      03:20pm | 29/07/11

      The simple fact as you identified will never be allowed to be printed by the PC crowd. Anyway Labor and the Greens are doing their best to crush any disenting non-PC or obediant information sources.

    • MarkS says:

      03:32pm | 29/07/11

      @Greg
      Do you still mourn for your Fuhrer? I hope so

    • Greg says:

      04:42pm | 29/07/11

      MarkS,

      That’s it? Is that all you’ve got?

      Hahahahaha! Why did you even bother?

    • Tom says:

      10:58am | 30/07/11

      Greg and Mark, The author wrote this article, not to edify, but to to light a fuse, to divide, polarise and cause hate statements. The author succeeded.

      Inflammatory stuff has become a by-line whether it be race, gender or religion. Gerry Springer stuff. Poisonous, cheap and nasty.

      Don’t let such a vile piece of writing dog-whistle you.

    • Chris L says:

      10:45am | 31/07/11

      @Tom - Huh? Are you sure you commented on the right article?

    • Tom says:

      02:01pm | 31/07/11

      Yes ChrisL, look at some of the anti-white racist comments that followed it. Racism against whites is racism and just as ugly as racism against blacks.

    • marley says:

      04:57pm | 31/07/11

      @Tom - I count one marginally racist comment about whites, and a dozen marginally racist comments about other groups in the comments on this thread.  If that’s your idea of “lighting a fuse” on race hatred I think you need to take a very large chill pill.

    • Loz says:

      09:10am | 29/07/11

      Thank you so much for this story!  Anne71: I totally agree with you.

    • sludger says:

      09:13am | 29/07/11

      Good piece.  I suppose I knew it, but was still surprised to realize this was only 50 years ago.

    • josh says:

      01:40pm | 29/07/11

      you mean back when the world was a better place ?

    • Shooter says:

      02:01pm | 29/07/11

      Josh why dont you move if you dont like black or people from other countries. I suppose you like seeing coloured people hanging from trees?

    • josh says:

      02:08pm | 29/07/11

      Or I just move them out of Australia and overnight it becomes healthier happier and safer..

    • Greg says:

      02:18pm | 29/07/11

      Where can Josh move to?

      Asia is for Asians. Africa is for Africans. White countries are for anybody.

      There is no country in the world where white people can enjoy their own culture without compromise.

      It seems that so many other races are all so eager to come to white countries to get oppressed by us.

    • josh says:

      02:19pm | 29/07/11

      and why should I move, Australia was discovered by white people, built by white people and defended by white people for white people like me to enjoy, therefore this is my home.

    • hot tub political machine says:

      02:27pm | 29/07/11

      People could try moving to adulthood.

      It has some drawbacks – like learning to live with other people and accepting you don’t get everything your own way all the time.

    • James1 says:

      02:28pm | 29/07/11

      You should move because you are the one complaining, Josh.  Also, because Australia would quite clearly benefit from your absence.

    • Shooter says:

      02:35pm | 29/07/11

      I am a black man who was bought out to Australia from the US to run an American company. Dont worry within a hundred years your will be a minority.

    • marley says:

      02:41pm | 29/07/11

      Quite true - there’s no country in the world where white people can enjoy their culture without compromise.  Of course, that’s what Asians, Africans , native Americans and aboriginal Australians say about their own cultures too.

      It’s a global world, fellas - and all cultures are changing.  We’re all influenced by other cultures, just as we influence other cultures with our own ways. That’s nothing new, of course - Roman culture was influenced by the Greeks, Anglo-Saxon culture by the Normans, Hindu culture by the Persians, native American cultures by the French, the English and the Spanish.  No culture anywhere is exactly what it was 200 years ago never mind a thousand years ago. 

      And all this nostalgic longing for “white culture” is based on a serious lack of exposure to the cultures of other “white” countries - or you’d realize that we probably have more in common with black Americans than with white Russians.

    • Greg says:

      03:15pm | 29/07/11

      Marley, other races may claim that, but it wouldn’t be true. Multiculturalism is only being forced upon Western countries.

      There is nothing wrong with cultures changing over time either, as long as it is for the better, and not a reversion to some medieval or prehistoric culture.

      All this “nostalgic longing for white culture” is based on a serious over exposure to the cultures of non white countries.

      As somebody who has spent time with both black Americans and white Russians, I know that I have much more in common with the latter, despite the language differences.

    • Greg says:

      03:26pm | 29/07/11

      Matt F, while the Australian land mass was sparsely populated by a disparate bunch of nomadic stone age tribes before being discovered by white people, it was white people who built a nation out of the wilderness, where none had previously existed.

      Whilst the stone age tribes had not discovered the wheel, or built any roads, buildings or towns, it was white people who took that nation from the stone age to the space age. It was white people who created a first world country that so many others now want to live in, while contaminating it with their third world cultures.

      It is the people who populate a country that gives it its character and identity. Japan wouldn’t be Japan anymore if its people were exchanged with Ugandans.

      Australia as a country did not exist before white pioneers created it.

    • MarkS says:

      03:36pm | 29/07/11

      @Josh/Greg
      Where is your time dishonoured greeting, you know Heil ******

    • marley says:

      03:43pm | 29/07/11

      @Greg - you have clearly never been to India if you think we’re the only ones coping with multiculturalism.  What is it there?  20 languages, four major religions, people of Indo-Aryan, Dravidian, Tibetan and indigenous ethnic origins?  India makes a country like ours, with one major language and one predominant religion seem pretty monocultural, doesn’t it?

      As for black Americans and white Russians, well, did you meet your Russian acquaintances here, or in Russia?  Because there’s a huge difference - and I’d be suprised if you found much in common with Russian Russians.  I certainly found I had very little in common with them - not religion, not values, not politics, not work ethics.

    • Shooter says:

      04:02pm | 29/07/11

      Greg who is forcing Multiculturalism on Western countries, Could that not be said regarding Indigenous cultures.  Didn’t white people force their way of life on the American Indians, Incas, Aboriginals and Africans and so on.  Why are there black people in America and most white countries because they were bought there as slaves. So white people have so many things to be proud of.

    • Greg says:

      04:09pm | 29/07/11

      Hot tub political machine, it’s leftists that need to move to adulthood.

      Leftism is a mental illness, where those afflicted have retarded intellectual development, and are permanently stuck in adolescence. It is well know that as most people mature, and gain more knowledge and experience, they become less likely to vote for leftist parties. This also explains why the Greens want to reduce the voting age below 18.

      Leftists demand all the rights of adulthood, with an overwhelming sense of entitlement, but don’t want any of the responsibilities that come with the rights.

      They always want to live at somebody else’s expense. If their parents can’t provide for them anymore, then the government needs to takeover that role. And, of course, they never want to pay their own way, they want to take money away from the people who have earned it and redistribute it to those that haven’t.

      They are lazy and immature, and blame all their shortcomings on others, especially on those “capitalists” who don’t share their shortcomings. They vote for whichever politician bribes them with the biggest handouts (funded with other people’s money).

      They look to increase their influence through allegiances with other lazy freeloaders, and call it social justice. They extrapolate their political branch stacking activities into a national immigration policy.

      Anybody who beats them in a debate is called a racist. They hate being confronted with the truth, so they call the truth “hate”. They are always “outraged” about one thing or another.

      It’s the truth. And we all know it.

    • hot tub political machine says:

      05:02pm | 29/07/11

      I do believe your on the wind up sir. I’ll give you probs for having more a playfulness than most who do it on here.

    • Greg says:

      05:04pm | 29/07/11

      MarkS, keep ‘em coming.

      Nobody else can demonstrate your inability to sustain a reasoned argument better than you can….....

    • Greg says:

      05:33pm | 29/07/11

      Marley, India has never been a cohesive and unified country. It is a conglomerate of numerous states and principalities cobbled together by the British. And yes, it also suffers from the effects of multiculturalism.

      Multiculturalism has always been a failure everywhere, not just in Western countries. Its disastrous legacy causes problems for generations, as evidenced in India.

      The point is that it is only Western countries that are still being infected with this social disease. Other countries, the most recent example being Sudan, are being allowed to recover.

      I met my Russian acquaintances in Russia, and my black American acquaintances in America. There can be a big difference in the values of Russian (or ex-Russian) nationals, but it is usually explained in terms of ethnicity, not nationality or residency status.

    • andye says:

      05:43pm | 29/07/11

      @Greg - Are you deliberately trolling by regurgitating hackneyed phrases of the extreme american right?

      “Leftism is a mental illness” - Yes its sad that people have opinions, isn’t it? How terribly inconvenient for you.

    • Greg says:

      06:05pm | 29/07/11

      Shooter, the minority of people who receive the short term benefits of their divide and conquer policies are forcing multiculturalism on Western countries.

      White people didn’t force their way of life on Indigenous cultures. Every situation was different. In general, when white people colonised other countries, the cultures remained separate. There was interaction between them, but areas were set aside for each.

      Aboriginal and American Indians still have land reserved for their exclusive use, where they are free to practice their own cultures. However, many Indigenous people wanted the benefits of white civilisation, and modified their own culture to facilitate the increased interaction necessary to achieve these benefits.
      Take a visit to tribal Arnhem land, for example, where 4WD and mobile phones are more widespread than boomerangs and didgeridoos, despite self-management by Aboriginal Land Councils.

      There are also African countries like Zimbabwe and Nigeria that want to be “re-colonised”, as their living standards have deteriorated so much since the departure of white people. Much the same as in Haiti.

      As far as slavery is concerned, all races have been slaves and slave owners at some time in history. The only thing different about white people is that they abolished slavery and made it illegal. They can be proud of that. Slavery is still practiced in parts of Africa and the Middle East to this day.

      Even the freed American slaves, who accepted repatriation to Liberia after the US War Between the States, proceeded to enslave other Africans after they arrived.

    • Greg says:

      06:28pm | 29/07/11

      Andye, I have no problem with opinions. Not even opposing opinions. Now and again, I may even be persuaded by one.

      But I’m more interested in the reasoning and evidence used to justify opinions, and if I think that they are crap then I will explain why.

      None of my explanations will be based upon guilt by association with somebody else who might have a similar opinion. Nor will they be based on some subjective accusation of “trolling”.

      This accusation of trolling seems to be the standard response of people who don’t like something that has been posted, but can’t really explain why.

    • andye says:

      08:35pm | 29/07/11

      @greg - saying liberalism is a mental disease is a cheap lazy cop out. if you have opinions, then present them as best you can. i try to call out conservatives on things I disagree with or that I think their policies have caused, and i can be a real smartass at times, but I am not engaging in petty name calling and hate speech.

      i do feel that same urge sometimes when presented with something i think is ridiculous, but i do try. sometimes i fail and vent, but hey i am only human too. you arent even pretending to try to engage in any kind of discourse. you are leftist-baiting with a long winded diatribe detailing how we are less than human or not entitled to our opinions.

      and frankly us leftards are a little freaked out about now cause someone who talks like you (and lots of other people who have been saying “liberalism is a mental disease”) just shot a whole bunch of people like us. you know cause we are all so crazy and dangerous and stuff.

      and if you really want to start arguing who has the mental disease? id consider racism and bigotry. that doesnt seem very logical to me… but what do i know. im just another crazy lefty, right? if someone is mad, you dont even have to consider their opinions.

    • marley says:

      11:17am | 30/07/11

      @Greg - you don’t like “leftism” by which you seem to mean socialism.  Well, you can’t have it both ways - if you want “white” (aka European) culture, you’re going to have to live with the reality that modern day socialism is entirely a product of European political thought .  If anything represents “white” culture, it’s the liberal, even socialist, strain within our societies.  So, for that matter, are concepts like the equality of man - all men.  If you have a problem with these ideas, you have a problem with “white” culture.

    • Tom says:

      12:09pm | 30/07/11

      No Marley, gib but entirely vaccuous. ... “you’re going to have to live with the reality that modern day socialism is entirely a product of European political thought .”

      So was the KKK, so were the Nazis, so was Breivik. Do you want to go on? I have no intention of living with any of them and nor do I have any intentions of living with “socialism” as defined by your boorish contemporaries.

    • marley says:

      01:33pm | 30/07/11

      @Tom - you missed my point entirely.  Greg is rabbiting on about the wonders of “white” civilization as he perceives it, and the need to protect it from alien influences, while simultaneously decrying some of the features of that white civilization he values so highly.  Whether you’re talking about the KKK or the CCCP, whether it’s far right fascism or far left communism, they’re all as much part of “white” culture as classical music or Shakespeare and Goethe.  The flawless white culture of which Greg is so protective exists in his mind, and not in the real world.  That’s my point.  And it’s not a vacuous one, either.

    • Tom says:

      02:28pm | 30/07/11

      I agree Marley, whites are certainly not flawless and I tried to look at where Greg actually claimed that.

      In his own (albeit inept) way, Greg seems to be burring against the side that says that whites are all bad. However, that was not said anywhere either.

      I personally burr up at the “guilt” thing. I don’t feel the need to see KKKs in every country town in Australia. I don’t like the inverse “skippy” racism being invoked every time an Australian points out the values in Australian culture.

    • marley says:

      04:28pm | 30/07/11

      @Tom - when I read a statement like “There is no country in the world where white people can enjoy their own culture without compromise”  or ” All this “nostalgic longing for white culture” is based on a serious over exposure to the cultures of non white countries,”  well, I reckon the writer has an issue with non-white cultures.  Don’t you?

      But the problem is, there is no “white” culture.  There’s Anglo-Saxon culture and French culture and German culture and Russian culture - and they’re all quite different from one another.  And Greg has already indicated he has difficulties with major aspects of what he thinks of as white culture.  So what is he really complaining about?  Foreign cultures, or his own? 

      And sure, be proud of Australian culture - but don’t ever believe that Australian culture is the same as the culture of other “white” countries.  It’s not.

    • Tom says:

      04:50pm | 31/07/11

      @Marley, ... “But the problem is, there is no “white” culture.”
      Is there no indigenous culture?

    • marley says:

      08:17pm | 31/07/11

      @Tom - well, I’d say that the indigenous cultures of the Haida and Salish peoples where I grew up are pretty different from the indigenous culture of the Dyiringanj where I live now. 

      No, there’s no such thing as a single “indigenous” culture - there are a myriad of indigenous cultures- just as there are a myriad of “white” cultures.  To talk about white culture or indigenous culture is to assume that all whites ascribe to the values of Australia, and all indigenous people to the values of Australian aboriginals.  And that is manifestly wrong.

    • Greg says:

      12:52am | 01/08/11

      @Marley, the reality is that socialism is a product of Semitic, not European political thought. Haven’t you ever heard of Karl Marx? Its subsequent advancement has also been disproportionately represented by non-Europeans.

      As for concepts like the equality of man, they have become corrupted from the original meaning. As the US Declaration of Independence stated: all men are created equal. The authors were all white men, including slaveholders, who wrote in the context of abolishing the monarchy and forming a republic.

      There was never any intention to convey absolute racial equality, or to claim that all individual men would always remain equal, despite their differing skills and abilities.

      So , no, I don’t have any “conflict” with white culture, nor do I deny its existance. White culture is Western culture. There are minor regional variations, including language, between French, British, German, etc, but the core values are shared amongst all white people.

      This is also why Switzerland is not a “multicultural” country, despite the German, French & Italian sub-cultures. They still share the common Western values.

      I certainly never claimed that white culture was flawless either. It clearly is not. But it’s my culture and I prefer it over any others. It is also preferred by huge numbers of non-Western immigrants as well, even though so many want to replicate the cultures of the lands that they abandoned as soon as they arrive in Western countries.

      I don’t have an “issue” with non-white cultures either, as long as they don’t contaminate mine. I am also happy for foreign cultures to practise without restriction or compromise in their places of origin, without themselves being contaminated by leftist United Nation policies or neo-conservative interventionism from Western countries.

      Let them treat their women like crap, take multiple wives and marry their 10 year old cousins if that’s what they want to do. I don’t care. But I would prefer to live under a different set of values, and judging by the world migration flows, I am not alone.

    • marley says:

      09:27am | 01/08/11

      @Greg - yes, I’ve heard of Karl Marx.  He was born a Protestant, by the way, even though his family was of Jewish background.  I’ve also heard of Friedrich Engels, Vladimir Lenin and Joseph Stalin, none of them Jewish.  And many of the ideas of socialism have roots in the thoughts of people like Owen and Saint-Simon - classical European liberals. And the first elements of a social welfare state were introduced by Otto von Bismarck, who was about as mainstream European as you can get. Like it or not, socialism is a product of European thought, just as ideas about equality, arising out of the American and French revolutions are.  That these concepts have evolved over the last 150 years doesn’t change the fact that they are symbols of western culture. 

      You seem to want to pick and choose which elements represent “white” culture and reject those that you don’t like as being alien - Semitic or whatever - but the fact is, they’re as much representative of European culture as Christianity (which is Semitic too, for that matter). 

      As for the French, the Germans and the British all sharing the same culture - well, that certainly explains all those wars between the French and the Germans, the French and the British, and the Germans and the British, not to mention the Dutch, doesn’t it?  What is it/  About 1000 years of conflict between the English and the French, 3 major wars between the French and the Germans, several wars between the Dutch and the English?  Kind of makes tribal rivalries in Africa pale by comparison. 

      Go ahead and believe that there’s a single white culture and that things like socialism are a foreign intrusion.  Unfortunately, even the slightest reading of history will show you just how wrong you are.

    • Greg says:

      12:04am | 02/08/11

      Marley - no, you are wrong. Marx was not born a Protestant. His mother was Jewish, and Jews consider Jewishness to be inherited from the maternal side. Marx’s paternal ancestry was also Jewish, despite the conversion of his father to Protestantism for business reasons.

      Although that is all besides the point. Marx, being recognised as the “father of socialism”, was just used as an example to conclusively prove you wrong about “modern day socialism is entirely a product of European political thought”.

      I’ve never denied that there have been Europeans involved with socialism, but it can’t be entirely a European ideology when the prime ideologist wasn’t even a European.

      And socialism isn’t the same thing as leftism anyway. The Nazis were socialists, but not leftists.

      The main difference between far-right and far left socialists is the degree of collectivism that they want.

      The collectivist policies of socialism are not necessarily always bad. There are situations where the synergy of a group can result in advantages for individual members, beyond the sum of the parts. However, the benefits tend to diminish with increasing group size.

      But the problems arise when collectivist policies and made mandatory, and all aspects of individualism are suppressed via an enforced artificial equality, and individual free choice is sacrificed for the alleged “greater good”.

      The Nazis did this with Aryans, and demanded that all members of their society sacrificed their rights and self interest for the benefit of their race. And if some people died as a result, then so be it.

      Today’s leftists want to expand enforced collectivism to a higher level of evil. They want all the races of man to sacrifice their rights and self interests for the alleged benefit of humanity. And if a few races of people die as a result, then so be it.

      The greatness of Western civilisation comes from individual rights, not from the rights of group membership. From Athenian democracy, to the Magna Carta, to the US declaration of Independance, the common thread is the protection of individual rights from the power of the state, the government or the monarchy.

      There have always been times when collectivist policies have been introduced into Western civilisation, and there always will be, but the strength of the culture comes from its ability to recover from such infections.

      As for your ridiculous assertion that white culture does not exist because the French, the Germans and the British have fought wars against eachother, it is laughable.

      It is the same as saying that if brothers and sisters argue, then families do not exist. Absolute nonsense.

      Furthermore, if your assertion was true, then it would mean that there is no such thing as culture at all. Sunni and Shiite rivalries would mean that Islamic culture does not exist. Catholic and Protestant rivalries would mean that Christianity does not exist. ALP and Coaltion rivalries would mean that Australian democracy does not exist.

      A culture is a set of core cohesive values that a group of people have in common, despite other more superficial differences. It’s obvious really, and I suspect you know it yourself.

      It is always amazing to me just how ridiculous leftists will make themselves look just to deny the identity and culture of white people.

    • MarkS says:

      09:45am | 29/07/11

      “To hold someone down, you have been down there with them, holding them down. We were wounded by racism, not as much as black people, but we were wounded also.”

      True, the Spartans made themselves a society were they were the most oppressed & least free of everyone to hold down the helots.

      The Budda said that to hold hatred as a weapon is to hold a red hot coal in ones hand with the intention of hitting someone else with it. But it is you that is the most burned. Racism is that type of hatred.

    • Greg says:

      02:24pm | 29/07/11

      It is multiculturalism and multiracialism that wounds people.

      Each race has its own strengths and weaknesses. They are not equal. And forced equality destroys freedom.

      Freedom and equality never co-exist. Societies have to choose one or the other.

    • MarkS says:

      03:40pm | 29/07/11

      @Greg
      War is Peace, Truth is Lies, Non-equality is Freedom and Eurasia has always been at war with Oceania

    • Greg says:

      04:58pm | 29/07/11

      @MarkS

      During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.

    • Elphaba says:

      10:36am | 29/07/11

      Fantastic story, a great read on a Friday.  smile

    • Monty says:

      10:51am | 29/07/11

      Fantastic story….the Rev Butts was an intelligent and a strong man…he was a little ray of sunshine that the KKK could not swat out or cover up.  Its frightening when the article talks about the marginalization of people because of the colour of their skin, or if they were assumed to be communists or homosexuals.  The Deep South in America in the 50’s and 60’s was rife with racism and the KKK’s ranks was mostly made up of poor white’s or rednecks.  Rev Butts would have been hated by the KKK because he went against their ideals….he most certainly was a shining light.  It nice to know that good people are always there no matter how dark and ugly the the environment may become.

    • Matt F says:

      11:05am | 29/07/11

      Great story - Truly inspiring to read about one man’s actions against such a powerful organisation. Not to mention how he never never shied away from his beliefs even in the face of serious threats. I hope this story doesn’t just appear on the app sites like what is at at the bottom of the article, but in the actual newspapers as well tomorrow.

    • haggis says:

      11:14am | 29/07/11

      Shame about Klu in the head . . . . .

    • David V. says:

      11:15am | 29/07/11

      The KKK is viewed by modern-day American racists as anachronistic. Neo-Nazis today tend to be anti-Christian, either atheist or neo-pagan (since Christianity is “Jewish”). The NSM would be the largest hate group in America today, but that’s because nearly all others have imploded.

    • Davi_88 says:

      11:24am | 29/07/11

      Fantastic read! What a courageous man

    • stephen says:

      11:26am | 29/07/11

      America now has a black President.
      Just think, even 15 years ago, how unlikely that would have been, and it’s peculiarly America’s change of mind and fortune that has allowed this progress to happen.
      America’s fortunes do indeed change.
      Her economic woes are another instigator for social development, and like the line drawn between the black and white, will also move between rich and poor.
      You wait and see.

    • Lloyd says:

      11:33am | 29/07/11

      What a great man. Anyone who stands up to such bigotry and hatred is a hero in my book (even though that word has now been tarnished for me by many of its undeserving recipients.) Also nice to see gays and lesbians included, they are often the forgotten victims of groups like the KKK’s vile hatred.

    • josh says:

      02:10pm | 29/07/11

      yeah let’s celebrate the rainbow of minorities, and we wonder why Australia is slowly going down the S bend..

    • MarkS says:

      03:44pm | 29/07/11

      @Josh
      Don’t worry one day we will all be flatlanders. You will not understand that reference either will you?

    • Matt says:

      12:19pm | 29/07/11

      An eye opening view of a man’s struggle against such a hateful organisation.  I guess it shows the mentality of the sort of people that end up in these ‘groups’.  How powerful would the hate have to be to turn a brother against a brother?  They are nothing but weak minded cowards, motivated by fear of change and their own stupidity. 

      Good on him for standing up for his views against people that would sooner harass and possibly kill him than leave him be, they would have been few and far between back then… We need to see more Butts in this day and age (couldn’t resist a Simpsons ref).

      Looking at south america, I think it will be a long, long time before this organisation dies out - if ever..

    • john taylor says:

      12:55pm | 29/07/11

      Well, attitudes like KKK do exist in Australia.  I’ve seen them on more than a few occasions.  In a Bowls Club, RSL, after a cricket match etc.I still see those attitudes.  I don’t think less of the folk that hold them, however, for it is not for me to condemn someone for behaving like they were brought up.  I am minded to encourage another world view, but neither am I going to shove the race card down their throat.  If I am to talk someone around then I must persuade - interesting word with an interesting origin.  It comes from the Latin per suade (with sweetness). 

      But I digress.  I’ll give you one example a tad over 20 years ago - when you may have assumed a sense of enlightenment in Australia in the late 1980s.  Anyhow my reserve regiment was off out into the fly-blown donga in the back of nowhere in NSW.  The bicentennial was upon us.  Some may remember there had been fear mongering by the usual suspects about Aboriginal aggression to mark “Invasion Day” 200 years on.  The regiment rolled into a two kelpie town, trucks, rovers and APCs from some armoured units who were joining in the wargames.  We came through town at an ungodly hour of the night.  The streets were lined with cheering locals.  Well this was heady stuff for a pack of chockos.  We got some downtime and went into town and a few of us got talking with the locals and asked all about the reception.  This was more than just flag waving patriotism.  One gnarled rustic said, to the universal head nodding of approval of his companions “we thought they was sending the army in to protect us from the Abos”.  From what I understand of that area, it has not changed.  And it is not quite the point to merely riposte that other cultures can be racist too.  Precisely the reason not to be, and perhaps rise above it perhaps?

    • Fiddler says:

      01:28pm | 29/07/11

      If you lived in some of those towns you might understand the reasons for that mentality. In Bourke (a town of three thousand) there has been three murders in the past four years all committed by aboriginals (who make up about one thousand in the town). Compare that to the national average and that is over twenty times higher. Sometimes stereotypes are stereotypes because they are accurate

    • john taylor says:

      03:47pm | 29/07/11

      Fiddler - I think it implicit in my comment that I wasnt going to condemn someone for their views, which they have always had and, to them appaer rational, but seek only to persuade.  But it seems to me to be pretty primitive thinking to be racially prejudiced simply because one race is represented in crime.  That Bourke has an issue with the murder rate by Aboriginals seems to me to be an entirely irrational bases for imposing a stereotype, and particularly for suggesting it is accurrate.  3 murders in a town of 3000 hardly makes for a stereotype, unless of course you are 5 schooners to the good in the pub on a Friday night.  Otherwise it would be entirely justified to be prejudiced against all the Irish and English because of the backgrounds of the Anita Cobby killers.

    • josh says:

      01:09pm | 29/07/11

      This article is tripe, nothing more. Look at the US and how it’s coping today, look at cities like Baltimore in the 50’s compared to today and google ‘white flight’. the KKK as crazy as they are - stand for something good.

    • David V. says:

      01:39pm | 29/07/11

      If you look at American history, pretty much everything of value has been created not by blacks or Hispanics, but by white males- all of its great car designers, industrial designers, art, literature, architecture, listenable music, etc.

    • jf says:

      01:49pm | 29/07/11

      Music? Seriously dude?

      However, conceding that what you say is true I’m sure that what you are getting at must be what a great shame that for the majority of its history, blacks, Hispanics, women (and others) did not participate in those industries.

    • James1 says:

      01:52pm | 29/07/11

      Probably because for most of American history, blacks were either slaves or second class citizens, and Hispanics are largely only recent arrivals.

    • hot tub political machine says:

      01:55pm | 29/07/11

      Americans make great cars? And the good music comes from the whites? great art besides that made by whites? I think sir, you need to look at that American history again.

    • Shooter says:

      02:04pm | 29/07/11

      Your point is David V. Why do you reffer to yurselves as white males. Your more pink in colour. What about sports?

    • Kika says:

      02:48pm | 29/07/11

      Listenable music? If we still listened to ‘white music’  we’d all be still listening to polka and classical music. Get real.

    • Greg says:

      02:54pm | 29/07/11

      America is following the standard path for the rise and fall of an empire, from the Roman, to the Spanish, British and even the Soviet Union.

      It rises to power as a socially cohesive monoculture, and declines into a multicultural abyss.

      The American decline is now irreversible. The signs are everywhere, from the closure of NASA, political deadlock and financial disaster.

      Unfortunately it looks like most Australians are also too stupid to learn from the repeated lessons of history.

    • Greg says:

      03:08pm | 29/07/11

      The best music is always performed by whites, even alleged “black” music.

      From Elvis, the Beatles, Rolling Stones even down to Eninem.

      I don’t remember many classics originating out of Africa.

    • hot tub political machine says:

      03:17pm | 29/07/11

      Greg, its not alleged black music. Elvis and Eminem are both on the record saying its black music.

    • Greg says:

      03:42pm | 29/07/11

      Rock music is not black music. It is not part of the culture of any African country. It did not even exist before the 20th century. It is made up from a mix of cultural inputs, not the least of which was celtic gospel as taught to American slaves in the 18th and early 19th centuries.

      The same applies to rap music, although that did develop with almost exclusively African-American influence.

      But the point is, the best proponents of the music are still white.

    • Economics says:

      04:13pm | 29/07/11

      @James1, what @David V has demonstrated is what’s known as specious reasoning. http://inventors.about.com/od/blackinventors/a/black_inventors.htm

      What Gregg demonstrates is no reasoning. From my readings empires haven’t collapsed because of multiculturalism, but economics. You could argue socialism.

      And as for Josh God help him.

    • hot tub political machine says:

      04:38pm | 29/07/11

      Rock has evolved over time, to the point where we now know it by many many subgenres. Its fasted period of evolution was during Elvis’ early years. He acknowledged the debt he owed to black music in his multi-style blending though, including the African rhythms. Did you know part of the “scandal” about Elvis including politicians trying to ban him for bringing the “jungle rhythms” into white American.

      As for Eminem, his own word’s do the talking “I’m not the first king of controversy/I am the worst thing since Elvis Presley/I use Black people’s music to make me wealthy/ Hey! There’s a concept that works/20 million other white rappers emerge/but no matter how many other fish are in the sea/it still feels so empty without me……”

    • David V. says:

      04:44pm | 29/07/11

      Classical music is the highest form of music known to mankind. Mozart, Beethoven, Wagner. Sure some of the best cars used to come from America, more recently they came from Germany and Japan, two other great nations of our time.

    • hot tub poltical machine says:

      04:55pm | 29/07/11

      Highest form of music by what definition David V? How pleasant it is (I do love my Vivaldi)? How intiricate?

      For technical skill with your instrument Jazz is by far the highest art form of music - and I guess you already know something about the ethnicity of the most famous Jazz musicians…

      Some American cars are pretty, but they’ve never been the best mechanically

    • hot tub political machine says:

      05:27pm | 29/07/11

      It all depends on your interpretation of the highest form David

      For techinical skill the highest form of music is Jazz.

      I agree classical is nicer to listen too, but so are many more pop genres and we don’t think of them as high art.

      Most (not all) good classical music is not from the States either

    • David V. says:

      05:32pm | 29/07/11

      Oh no doubt… but the American industry did lose the plot after c. 1970 while Germany and Japan took off. And that BMW, Mercedes, Opel, Nissan, Toyota, more recently even Hyundai with its luxury sedans we don’t get to see here, I guess I’m pretty enlightened on cars.

    • David V. says:

      05:34pm | 29/07/11

      To that I add Korea coming good, which China never will (ha ha!)

    • Greg says:

      06:14pm | 29/07/11

      Economics, multiculturalism is correlated with the economic decline of a country/empire.

      It isn’t a coincidence.

      More and more tribal groups have to be bribed and bought off. Taxes are seen as benefiting rival groups. Extra money is needed to duplicate services in multiple languages and customs. Extra money is needed to manage inter-group conflicts. The list becomes endless.

      That’s why the USA will never recover from its current financial crisis. It may not collapse next week on 2nd August debt ceiling deadline, but ultimate financial collapse is inevitable. It is too far gone.

    • stephen says:

      07:57pm | 29/07/11

      In America, they have Roger Sessions and Duke Ellington.
      In Literature there is James Baldwin.
      In Dance, 55% of practitioners are negro. (America’s best art-form, too.)  - and by the way, Dance is the most abstract and difficult of all the Arts, any where.
      Of all the art-forms open to man, I could name, as well as those above 40 all-time greats in America who don’t look like me.
      Get real or get out.

    • Allie says:

      07:30pm | 31/07/11

      Looks like the dead, white males are alive and well.

    • Margaret Gray says:

      03:05pm | 29/07/11

      “....Their hatred for homosexuals is unconcealed….”

      As it is in Islam.

      “...Rev Butts does not feel he’s describing ancient history…”

      Just events that occured more than 50 years ago.

      The Klan was never mainstream, despite what the movies say and America has grown up significantly since those ‘dark’ days.

      In 2011, it has a black president.  Who would have believed that were possible in 2005, let alone 1955!

      As with most Friday’s at Punch HQ, really all we have left in this article is a thinly veiled attack on Christianity and a forcing of guilt by association and responsibility on its followers for the sins of the fringe elements of their religion.

    • Matt says:

      04:32pm | 29/07/11

      Well, as recently as 2005 an out KKK member was in the US parliament, David Duke.  He also claims thousands of Tea Party members have asked him to run for Presidancy in 2012.. This is not exactly ‘history’ as you state.  And it’s sad to see it still alive these days, but it s. 

      I don’t understand how you thought this article was christian bashing, but it wasn’t.  If anything it shone a light on christian examples like Rev Butts, who stood up for his beliefs against adversity.

    • Greg says:

      09:23pm | 29/07/11

      Matt, stop making up stories that are not true.

      The truth is that Duke was last in a US state assembly back in 1992, not in Congress in 2005.

      He has not been a KKK member for more than 30 years. Greens Senator Lee Rhiannon was a member of the Socialist Party and was editing Soviet funded propaganda newspapers more recently than that, but that never gets a mention in the media.

      Even when Duke was in the KKK, he reformed it promoting legality and non-violence, and opening membershp to Catholics and women back in the 1970s.

      Do you really tink that you can get away with telling such obvious lies in the internet age?

    • Matt F says:

      03:33pm | 29/07/11

      An attack on Christianity? It’s an article praising a reverend! That line you quoted may be an attack on specific preachers, but says nothing about the religion itself.

      Why does everything have to be a competition with Islam? So it’s ok for people from one religion to do it as long as people from another do it too? Wouldn’t it make more sense to comment on the actual issue rather then deflect to something irrelevant?

    • Margaret Gray says:

      04:31pm | 29/07/11

      “...Wouldn’t it make more sense to comment on the actual issue rather then deflect to something irrelevant?...”

      Explain why “....(t)heir hatred for homosexuals is unconcealed…” is relevant?

      I don’t see any articles on Punch condemning Islam’s stand on homosexuals or gay marriage.

      In fact, I don’t see any articles critical of Islam on Punch ever.

      Why are you so afraid?

    • andye says:

      08:47pm | 29/07/11

      @Margaret Gray - Maybe it is because the Christian lobby in Australia is the one actively trying to affect our laws on this issue? If they choose to enter into the political arena, then they are going to get written about, sorry. If a large Muslim lobby formed that had some actual political clout and stood against homosexual marriage I am sure they would get some words. I think aussie Muslims have a lot more to worry about at the moment.

    • David V. says:

      10:12pm | 29/07/11

      The Jewish lobby forces us to accept multiculturalism while simultaneously supporting the illegal, hateful and murderous state of Israel where Gentiles are second-class citizens.

    • stephen says:

      12:08am | 30/07/11

      Muslims, David V, are not really Gentiles.
      The history of both religions, (as well as the Christian Religion) denotes them,(Muslims) as ‘believers’ ; quite well before the 2 Islamic civil wars which split Sunni from Shi’i’, and forced the Islamists to a heirarchical structure, which even isolated their ‘Muhammad’.
      Gentiles do not worship themselves so much and are not so sectarian, as the Islamic faith teaches ; your comment is then foolish.

    • Shooter says:

      06:34pm | 29/07/11

      White people didn’t force their way of life on Indigenous cultures. No They invade peoples lands. White people colonised other countries, yes white people forced their way of life on the people they invade. The cultures remained separate.  segregation was the way of life.
      I can’t believe the trash you talk. You can have your opinion it’s a free country but to say because of whites are better than other races your dreaming. If it was not for countries like China and India you would be still in the dark ages. I have worked hard all my life and now I am reaping the rewards as I tell my kids if someone calls you black this or black that don’t fight them don’t abuse them just show them your better. Beat them on the sporting field beat the academically but don’t beat their ass as you will be just like them in the olden days. People like you who are scared of change started the KKK and put hatred in peoples minds that they go on mass killing spree because of fear.

    • Greg says:

      09:08pm | 29/07/11

      People have been invading eachothers lands throughout history. All races of people have done it at one time or another. Why are you singling out white people for special mention?

      You seem to be awfully confused. How can white people force their culture on indigenous cultures and also keep their cultures separate via segregation?

      I didn’t say that whites were “better than other races” either. I have said that each races has its own strengths and weaknesses.

      Sub-Saharan Africans, for example excell at heavyweight boxing and 100m sprints. Asians have fast reflexes, and excell at table tennis and badmington. White people excell at swimming. The evidence for racial differences is everywhere.

      As for being in the dark ages, China and India are only just starting to emerge from their own 500+ years of dark ages, while Europeans had enlightenment and renaissance. Time will tell if the Chinese and Indians can lead the world for the next 500 years, but the fact is hat the whole world would still be in the dark ages if not for the European renaissance.

      If you have worked hard all your life then you deserve to reap the rewards, but only if you have achieved via your own abilities, and not affirmative action policies.

      I am absolutely not scared of change. In fact I am working for it.

      Nor do I “put hatred in people’s minds”. How exactly does one do that anyway?

      As for blaming me for the Norwegian killings, well, I don’t think I need to respond. You are just delusional.

      On the other hand, maybe you would like to explain why you call yourself: “shooter”?

      If you are looking for hatred, maybe you should look closer to home.

    • David V. says:

      07:01pm | 29/07/11

      China? China only shows “Whitey” what they want “Whitey” to see. China’s Asian neighbours know what is really going on there and what sort of people they really are.

    • NESLIHAN KUROSAWA says:

      10:19pm | 29/07/11

      Hi Paul,

      Most definitely, it only takes one special person to make a stand on behalf of the ones suffering instead of just watching from a distance without lifting a finger!!  Just like Ms Rosa Parks, Mr Oscar Schindller and Mr Martin Luther King.  This has nothing to do with religion or faith, if you ask for my personal opinion.  It is all about some feeling that they are more superior compared to a certain part of the general population, when it comes the color of skin or race!! 

      I really believe that no religion in the world can teach us to be that cruel and ruthless, right??  It is just like meeting someone for the first time, you are so impressed with their knowledge & experience, when it comes to humanitarian issues, that you forget all your preconceived ideas or prejudices!!  This experience can be life altering, which hopefully teaches us all a valuable lesson as lesson as well!!  That is only when we allow the learning process to begin somewhere.  Best regards to your editors.

    • pj says:

      10:56am | 30/07/11

      Interesting to note the difference of opinions,its good to know that we are “staying alert and not alarmed” YET!!
      I’m sure the time is nearing when we will have to step up and LOCK n LOAD !!!

    • Michelle says:

      05:38pm | 30/07/11

      More white Americans are killed by black Americans every year then the KKK killed in its entire history.

    • stephen says:

      08:14pm | 30/07/11

      Black is strong, huh ?

    • Anne Stocks says:

      10:00pm | 02/08/11

      Thank you Paul Toohey it was refreshing to hear an Atheist give praise to a Christian instead of slandering or abusing them, although to be fair I have encountered some others on Punch, although not in agreement with what I have shared have been respectful of my right to express what I know to be True, without condemning me for it.

      In regard to Rev Butts not mentioning God or Satan,  although you did say he stated he needed to save himself which is in Truth referring to both God and Satan ...  Satan seeks to convince us that we don’t need saving but others do and God shows us how we can be saved, in an hour that was a great sermon, Rev Butts had indeed planted a seed, thanks for sharing it.

      As I was reading the other posts it became apparent that most thankfully were against racism and so it should be, as a Christian I do not believe I’m better then anyone else or that I have a right to rubbish anyone because of their nationality or the colour of their skin, if God doesn’t discriminate then how can I or how indeed can any Christian do this and still maintain they have God’s Love in their heart.

      The Scriptures tell us to treat others how we would like them to treat us ... when the early Christian Church was first mentioned in the Scriptures there were slaves, but God told their owners that they were to treat them with respect and value them as people of worth and He told the slaves that they were to serve there owners as though they were serving Him, but as time went on this was not happening so He intervened to bring slavery to an end and He did this through a men that served Him and those who agreed with them.

      But the Scripture that says it all tells us that God so Loved the world meaning everyone in it and this includes dark skinned people,  that He sent His only Son Jesus Christ so that everyone who chooses to believe in Him will be Saved and not perish…How good is that!

      Thanks again Paul -  Kind regard Anne.

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