I was sitting in a French brasserie the other evening and I noticed something very odd. My sons were behaving impeccably.

It's like hot house for good manners

To put this in perspective, they are eight and ten year old Australian boys. Their normal behaviour in cafes, let alone restaurants, throws down a large gauntlet to animals summoned to feeding time at the zoo. (My apologies to the higher apes).

We’re on our first extended family vacation. We chose Paris because my husband speaks excellent French, I love the city and we wanted to stay in one place for a month. Part of me dreaded bringing the boys here.

Prior experience told me that the French - while very fond of pleasure - are also highly rule-bound. I’d seen French children sitting at those bloody zinc bars and nibbling expertly at their steak frites while their immaculately scarved mothers sipped on their Beaujolais.

I wondered, quietly, if there were special Gendarme des Enfants who swooped down on ill-mannered ankle-biters and forced their parents to walk through the streets eating McDonalds and singing Britney Spears songs.

Despite centuries of sieges and citizens spilling each others’ blood, I figured that Paris was probably not ready for my sons. Yet, to my eternal surprise, my sons were ready for it.

Watching children enter a different cultural environment is an important reminder of how strongly they intuit social cues. And how quickly they respond to them.

My oldest - a child who has pretty much lived in board shorts and T-shirts to date - began the European transition by asking me to buy him some buttoned up shirts and to “iron them please”. He decided he needed to accessorise said shirts with a black suit jacket of mine - sleeves rolled insouciantly to the elbows.

Not to be upstaged, the youngest recently walked the streets carrying a baguette under his arm with a black cashmere opera cape of mine flung around his shoulders in some weird imitation of a 19th century flaneur. Deeply odd behaviour certainly, but clearly an attempt to “adapt”.

Before I had children I had extremely strong views about them. Particularly about the influence of their parents. Screwed up kids, I was sure, were a sign of screwed up parents. Badly behaved children, a sign of parents without boundaries. Charming children a sign of selfless parents who’d spent the right amount of time in therapy. And so on.

The truth, as many parents willl probably attest, is that your children come out with strong abilities, weaknesses and personalities from a young age. You do your best, which is often your worst.

What hadn’t registered for me until now is how strongly and quickly a cultural environment can imprint itself on children. They instinctively look for social rules - and lots of the rules have nothing to do with how their parents tell them to behave.

I’ve long suspected that the rules of the playground have a lot more influence than the nightly lectures we give our sons. But what I hadn’t noticed was the tacit effect of ‘how we do things around here’ that marks different ways or dressing, eating, speaking and even walking down the street.

Not that my children have turned into angels. Nor do I want them to become perfect examples of bourgeois civility. It’s just interesting watching how quickly they get the social language of a different place.

Paris is a city in which it’s normal to greet people in shops politely, to speak quietly in cafes, and to avoid karate fights in the supermarket. It’s also a city in which it’s normal for kids to stay up late and eat with their parents in restaurants.

It’s a city, in other words, which takes children seriously. They’re expected to behave more like adults - and they do.

Granted, there has been the odd ‘Australian incident’ during our vacation. I, for instance, told one of my kids very loudly to “Get stuffed” on a crowded Boulevard after a long day of walking.

I guess the Parisiennes will have to get used to our family too.

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    • Liz says:

      07:55am | 21/06/10

      The beauty of boundaries!

    • Bitten says:

      08:31am | 21/06/10

      Ahhh, who would have thought that by expecting children to behave appropriately in public, they actually might do so?!

    • Helen says:

      09:59am | 21/06/10

      “...began the European transition by asking me to buy him some buttoned up shirts and to “iron them please”. “
      Nice to see that he’s learning what women are for.

    • Nick says:

      12:02pm | 21/06/10

      Quit sprouting your ‘PC’ crap. The kid is 10 years old and said please!

    • Sam says:

      12:32pm | 21/06/10

      Agree Nick what a ridiculous comment, who expects a 10 year old to iron their own shirts?

    • LLLLLLLLLLL says:

      02:08pm | 22/06/10

      To right helen, and whats more she did as she was told.

      Everything seems in order.

    • Paul says:

      10:37am | 21/06/10

      “Nor do I want them to become perfect examples of bourgeois civility”.  If their upper middle class academic mother can’t see the almost universe-collapsing paradox in the middle of that sentence then these lads shouldn’t bother trying to be anything other than what they are - bourgeois kids on holiday in Paris.  I mean, it’s PARIS not Ougadougou.  If there’s a McDonald’s in the joint then the social norms aren’t that different.  Perhaps you should just take them grown up places at home where they can’t wear boardshorts.  or if you do go to Paris go out to the banlieues and see how they act.  you know, set some cars on fire and so on.

    • Daniel says:

      11:12am | 21/06/10

      Interesting observations.

    • Catharine Lumby says:

      11:30am | 21/06/10

      @Paul: Yes I have become upper middle class - and tres happy about it given where I started and how hard my parents worked to get me and my sisters out of where we began.

      I have taken my kids back to where I grew up on a few occasions and shown them some of the pubs I sat outside when the brawls erupted. Unlike me they didn’t actually end up with blood all over their pyjamas, as I did once when sent by my grandma to pick up my grandad from the Beaumont hotel in Hamilton . But I’ve given them a reasonably good account of working class Anglo culture in the 60s. I’ll wait till they’re older and see if they want to become journalists and go into civil war zones - I’ve been to some, perhaps you have too?

      But it’s up to them really. I’d actually like my kids to have a better beginning than I did-  I’d like that for all kids actually. Particularly kids living in real civil war zones.

    • Albie says:

      12:04pm | 21/06/10

      That’s really interesting. My parents bravely moved my two brothers and I to France for 8 months - we were 15, 11 and 7.

      While my brothers and I did not become quite as bourgeois and fashion consciouis as the boys described here, we definitely learned to be a bit quieter and mindful of people around us.

      The best moment was our very French-like disdain for an American tourist in Paris who was actually yelling at a poor shop assistant in a bakery that she wanted bread. Using a dictionary or phrase book to find out how to say it obviously hadn’t occurred to her. My raucus 11-year old brother (now a boofy 25 year old rugby player) quietly and politely asked the woman to stop shouting and suggested that she should invest in some French classes. To prove his Frenchness - he then didn’t help her and walked out of the store!

      Aaah good times

    • pete m says:

      12:07pm | 21/06/10

      lol bringing in civil war zones to a discussion about children’s behaviour is bizarre.  touchy much?

      It is nice the kids have absorbed the importance of cultural history and norms.  I don’t see the point about their dress sense at home meaning poor behaviour.  I’ve found nice kids in board shorts and total a’holes in private school coat and tie.  The mere fact your kids weren’t exposed to this society does not mean you haven’t raised them properly or that they couldn’t know how to adapt.  Good on them anyway for enjoying themselves.

      I sense a theme - CathArine - SharAn - who’s next to the podium with the modern twist to ordinary name?

    • Wayne K says:

      01:54pm | 21/06/10

      It’s the same as when you first let your child stay over at a friends place and you go to pick them up with dread only to be told by the friend’s parent(s) how wonderfully behaved your child was.  Both sets of parents walk away thinking “gee I wish my child would behave like that at home”

    • catharine Lumby says:

      05:28am | 22/06/10

      @Albie: interersting anecdote. that’s exactly what I was trying to explain - it’s a particular cultural thing. The French -despite their reputation - are not rude if you try to fit in a little b. I read French quite well but speak and understand it badly - but they are unfailingly lovely about my atempts. I’ve been in the same cafe and seem the same waiter pretend he understands no English when someone else comes in a just starts barking order in English…The thing with kids is that they do pick up on these more subtle ways of being in the world and adapt. Plus the French are particularly decent to children and dogs - a nice quality in my view.

    • catharine Lumby says:

      05:31am | 22/06/10

      @Albie: Hi - yes it sounds like a bogan spelling. Not that I care. I come directly from bogan stock. My mother chose the spelling - she was probably still under ether after having pushed me and my big head out. The spelling is actually quite traditional - ie European - if you take a look at the etymology. Not that I care. My kids call me Professor Blah Blah - which is fine by me.

    • Deborah says:

      09:20am | 22/06/10

      Catharine, I honeymooned in Paris, ate a most memorable and expensive meal there, strongly remember trying hard to look chic and failing miserably, and it forever holds a happy place in my memory. I also have an 11-year-old son, who excels at karate demonstrations in supermarkets. Thanks for this piece, which I enjoyed very much.

 

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