While last night’s Q and A studio audience members were milling around in the ABC foyer drinking tea and listening to the harpist, they also had the chance to browse the entries in the satirical portrait prize the Bald Archies.

Tony Abbott in budgie smugglers, well I never

Tony Abbott was everywhere. There was Tony Abbott in monks robes, and budgie smugglers (no prizes for originality on that piece). There was Tony Abbott as a Na’vi from Pandora. There was Tony Abbott in a mankini. There was Tony Abbott with his finger in a hole in Bob Brown’s chest.

The people who dragged themselves out after dinner on a public holiday Monday night could have been forgiven for expecting to see the Tony Abbott hanging on the walls, the one who looms so large in the minds of people who enter satirical portrait prizes sponsored by the ABC. But it was a much smaller Tony Abbott who turned up in more ways than one.

The Opposition leader is understandably looking a bit hollow around the cheeks at the moment, just a week on from completing his first iron man. He could probably eat three of the McGriddle’s from Penbo’s piece this morning and still look skinnier than the rest of us.

But his performance last night was also smaller than we’ve come to expect. Mr Abbott held back more than he put out on Q and A, apologising for his recent comment about being “threatened” by homosexuals, declining to buy-in to questions about the Catholic Church, and admitting his debate strategy against Kevin Rudd was off.

At one point a young man in the audience asked: “Many young, would-be-liberal voters have been left feeling disillusioned by the Liberal cause since you were made Leader of the Opposition earlier this year. What can you, as quite obviously more conservative than even many young liberals, offer young voters?” It was a pretty loaded question.

Mr Abbott responded: “Well, I guess rather than just throw around tags, I’d like those who feel that I am too conservative for them to say what particular aspect of me or my policies they don’t like and then let’s have a discussion about that.”

Cue short disjointed discussion on the Emissions Trading Scheme.

Invited to comment on what he thought Jesus would have done about the steady stream of asylum-seeker boats heading here Mr Abbott said: “Well, Jesus wouldn’t have put his hand up to lead the Liberal Party, I suspect. Or the Labor Party, for that matter.” He then went on to say: But let’s not verbal Jesus. I mean, he’s not here to defend himself.”

On his comment to 60 Minutes that he felt “threatened” by homosexuals Mr Abbott said: “Okay, well, that was a very - it was a very poor choice of words on my part. I shouldn’t have used that word. I’m sorry that I used that word because the last thing I want to do is to make any Australian feel threatened or vulnerable or unappreciated and I would do my level best to govern for everyone.”

And after repeated questions about the recent scandals in the Catholic Church, and whether priests should be allowed to marry, politics most famous Catholic backed right off.

On the abuse scandal issue he said: “I really have not been studying this matter all that closely. I haven’t been following it all that closely. As I said, the church has not handled this matter very well in the past. I think it’s doing better now, but I just haven’t been following it. I’m sorry about that, Tony.”

And on priests getting married he said: “Well, look, you know, again, I feel a little uncomfortable at being asked the sorts of questions that other Catholics in public life tend not to get asked. I mean, Kristina Keneally, for instance, is at least as serious a Catholic as I am. And yet I suspect she wouldn’t get hit with these sorts of questions. But to do my best with it, look, it is a struggle. There is no doubt about it. I mean, the disciplines that the church expects of its ordained ministers are very hard to live with but, nevertheless, I think they are part of the historic discipline of the church and I think for the best of priests, at least, they are part of the mystique that makes the priesthood special.”

None of this would have changed anyone’s minds last night. Those who went to or watched the show wanting to be appalled at the Opposition Leader, probably still are.

But absent from last night were the throw-away lines and combativeness that have gotten Mr Abbott into trouble before. Maybe he’s a bit knackered.

By the way. If you’re in Sydney on a Monday night there’s worse things to do than register for Q and A. Watching live television get made is fun, and it’s free. You can register here.

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    • Luke says:

      11:45am | 06/04/10

      You journo’s hate it when he doesn’t give you any fodder don’t you. Too funny, go and chase Rudd for a change. These Abbott stories really are becoming boring. Even Tony Jones looked very annoyed that he couldn’t get Abbott on any issue no matter how much he baited him. Well done Tony. Time to focus on Rudd please.

    • Ryan says:

      12:20pm | 06/04/10

      No Luke, didn’t you know,  the media give Rudd the $250 million dollar dream run. Didn’t you know that you CAN buy the media with public funds these days! Rudd did.

    • Jack Thomas says:

      01:00pm | 06/04/10

      Ignoring the fat lazy media happily lampooning anyone for what are normal healthy pursuits like swimming or cycling (eek, he’s wearing Speedo’s, lycra, etc.), what you’re basically saying here is that Abbott gave you nothing.

      Revisiting ill chosen words about his response to homosexuality shows grace and compassion, but it doesn’t give you lot your cheap headline. 

      I got that impression about Howard a few years ago, that he was actually vital for the the left wing nutjobs, boring ‘comedians’ on Good News Week, lazy left wing journo’s, etc. Bush gave all the harping w*nkers justification for their rants and non stop biased pieces. The depression amongst this lot, and the vacuum of ‘work’, when he left office was palpable.

      Same with Abbott, when he says something ‘normal’ (ie. not scripted by the ALP’s spin team, with survey tested words like Working Families, etc.) you love it. It gives you something to calculate your 1 + 1 = 5 mentality about the Libs wanting to eat children of asylum seekers, etc etc.

      Q&A is the classic ABC latte leftie witch hunt, stacked with its weekly smug self rightteous Leftards, with a token right wing commentator.The inclusion of John Elliot not long ago was funny if not such a blatant bias on what the ABC sees as the voice of “the other side”.

      Your latest review on Abbott is like the episode of Frontline where the tabloid reporters can’t get the story so report on the reporters..

    • MJ says:

      05:29pm | 06/04/10

      the punch (news.com.au, The Australian)  is part of news limited which lost out when free to air channel got money and foxtel news limited owned as well got nothing so therefore these newspapers should be bagging Rudd not not tony

    • Blair says:

      11:48am | 06/04/10

      Nice piece Tors. I really must get myself together and catch Q&A one of these days. I think your fantastic reviews/updates have prevented me so far :D

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      06:27pm | 06/04/10

      Blair : You have not missed much .  Tory would do well to have a little balance in her comments.  Why don’t these excuses for journos interview Rudd on religion during his regular Church stunts. ?
      This load of leftist crap leaves a lot of room for improvement.

    • Rob r Charteris says:

      08:07am | 07/04/10

      Wayne Fehlhaber; It’s a simple reason, Cool Kev doesn’t go out there offering dialog on how section of our community how to live from his personal beliefs. He does what all democracies are meant to do Seperate Church From State!!!!!  GOT IT?????  nah…. probably not. From what I watched of the show, before I was turn off the lil ginger headed man, Tory Maguire has got it right!

    • SkepDad says:

      11:49am | 06/04/10

      There were certainly a few audience members spoiling for a scrap, and he did an OK job; particularly on border protection.

      My one major concern was his reluctance to engage on the pope.  Given that three quarters of Australians are not catholic and thus don’t recognise the Vatican’s authority, would Abbott be able to represent them if there was a conflict of interest between his faith and the people of Australia?

      What if, for example, there was a call to cut diplomatic ties with the Vatican over their complicity in crimes against humanity?  Could he do it?

      Can we have a Prime Minister who is subjugated to a foreign head of state?

    • Philip Crowley says:

      09:43pm | 06/04/10

      I am quite sure SkepDad, that above all Tony Abbott is a proud Australian, and would always govern in the best interests of Australia. I would go as far as suggesting the vast majority of Australians would give their all for country, regardless of their religion, or origins.

      To suggest Mr Abbott is “subjugated to a foreign head of state” is, in my opinion, a ludicrous proposition.

    • iansand says:

      07:09am | 07/04/10

      The problem is whether Abbott can look at the best interests of Australia through a lens influenced by his Catholocism.

    • Adam Diver says:

      12:03pm | 06/04/10

      I have been watching prime all morning. Thier mis-reporting of the “jesus” issue is amazing now that I read the context of the answer. Mainstream media is an absolute disgrace and I know that only a very small minority will find out the whole context of this issue and the rest will lap up what they are told.

      From what I heard this morning on TV it sounded as though abbott used the WWJD line to describe his “boat people” policy ideals. No mention that someone else bought up the Jesus factor and no actual reporting of his disclaimer below.

      “Well, Jesus wouldn’t have put his hand up to lead the Liberal Party, I suspect. Or the Labor Party, for that matter.” He then went on to say: But let’s not verbal Jesus. I mean, he’s not here to defend himself”

      Disgraceful

    • Eric says:

      12:04pm | 06/04/10

      Wishful thinking, Tory?

      The obsession with Tony Abbott on The Punch, on the media and even at the Bald Archies, is if anything an indication that he is bigger than ever.

    • Campbell says:

      12:05pm | 06/04/10

      Shrinking violet though he was, I feel like Abbott made a good point on the matter of his being called out as a Catholic at every corner. Why do we lambast him as the mad monk, when he’s reasonably upfront about it, when so many of his political adversaries are just as religiously inclined?

    • Damo says:

      12:00pm | 06/04/10

      The problem for Abott is that he complains he gets asked questions other Catholics and Christians in public life don’t get asked but on the other hand opposes gay marriage on the basis of his religious beliefs. He still doesn’t understand the problem.
      He was on the back foot the whole night last night, he was nervous and uncomfortable. He is not convincing anyone from either side of politics he is capable of leading the country.

    • Andrew says:

      12:22pm | 06/04/10

      I’m gay and don’t support gay marriage and I’m certainly not religious. On the Jesus stuff, that was a question put to him, but it has been made sound as if he was preaching jesus’s word, he even had a laugh at the quetion. He was far from being on the back foot last night on Q & A, Tony Jones looked totally frustrated that Abbott was doing so well. He tried everything to try and trip Abbott up, but it didn’t work. Thumbs up for Tony. Abbott also received quite alot of applause from the audience several times. Far better performance than Rudds attempt on Q & A.

    • Randal says:

      12:38pm | 06/04/10

      Damo, the PM holds the exact same view, that gay marriage is for a man and woman, why do not you or anyone on the left hold the man who is currently at the helm and actually capable of changing the law accountable, instead of wrongly focusing on Abbott, as though his policy is any different to that of the incumbent.

    • AdamC says:

      12:31pm | 06/04/10

      Umm, Damo, Kruddy also opposes gay marriage and is also a Christian. (That thing behind him on those Sunday doorstop pressers is a church, if you’ve been wondering).

    • Damo says:

      12:58pm | 06/04/10

      Ummm. that’s right, I think Rudd should be asked the same questions about his religion. Did i say otherwise? How bizarre you assume I would not think it fair for Rudd to be asked the same question. The article (and Q&A) was about Tony Abbott numbskulls.

    • AdamC says:

      01:05pm | 06/04/10

      Damo, that is not the impression given by your original comment, where you singled out Abbott and didn’t mention Rudd (or anyone else).

      In any event, why should politicians be quizzed by atheist journos about their religious views? If you don’t like Abbott’s views on a topic, why not simply contest the issues? If someone’s religion is relevant to policy matters, why not someone’s ethnicity or marital status? Do you bring those up as well?

    • Mark says:

      01:59pm | 06/04/10

      I would love to see a Jew asked about his “Jewishness or pre-emptive military strikes” or a Muslim about his “religious views in context of gay marriage or radical action in support of beliefs”. This of course can be continued on down the line to any sub-group of the population at large. toss in any stereotype racial religious or otherwise and ask a “confronting” question. See how the wowsers would gasp at that.

      It is a disgrace. It is not a problem of Abotts it is a problem for the media.

      You make no sense Damo. It hasn’t been “news” for years he opposes gay marriage - so what? He has a belief and makes a decision according to those beliefs. You know have a conviction, have a persona, not a spin machine and media unit churning for you.

      Guess what champion, that is what grown ups do.

      He doesn’t pander to politically correct thought after checking a focus group or two. You can ask him the same question today tomorrow and next week and the answer will be the same as the last 235 times he was asked. Why it is even commented on is beyond me.

      And on the back foot last night? Looked fine to me. He has convinced me mate. Your so wrong it is painful to see.

    • Ryan says:

      12:11pm | 06/04/10

      How sickening that the media and the left wing nutjobs find it utterly hilarious to make fun of the attire of surf lifesaving Australia. Low, disgusting and absolutely sickening, have you scumbags no shame?

    • Rocket Surgeon says:

      12:52pm | 06/04/10

      Dude, if you can’t laugh at a bunch of blokes who like to pull their sluggos up their bum you need to get out a bit more!

    • Ryan says:

      02:48pm | 06/04/10

      @Rocket Surgeon: lets hope you don’t need to be rescued one day by those you ridicule.

    • TC says:

      06:56pm | 06/04/10

      Dude, if you find sluggos a laugh you need to get out more.

    • Kerry says:

      12:18pm | 06/04/10

      Abbott certainly knows how to keep your attention, more headlines and articles about him than the PM. Who is the PM? Tony Abbott if you didn’t follow Australian politics.

    • Aitch B says:

      12:11pm | 06/04/10

      I don’t suppose there’s any chance at any time before the election that Rudd gets bombarded with questions designed to put him on the spot over his religious beliefs and convictions.

      Seems to me he’s getting a very easy ride in that regard.

    • Randal says:

      12:31pm | 06/04/10

      Well said Aitch B, Rudd used his faith as a political to get elected where Abbott attempts to move away from it, yet the media persue Abbott and not the PM.

      If anything Rudd has shown himself to be the religious zealot yet I am still to hear a single question directed at him to answer how his own religous beliefs affects his decision making.

    • AdamC says:

      12:22pm | 06/04/10

      I was so freaked out by the 4 Corners story about the svengali/therapist/mental pornographer that I missed Tony Abbott entirely. I think it is no surprise that he’s mellowing a little.

    • Lee from WA says:

      12:35pm | 06/04/10

      I thought the ABC could have done better than haranguing him for the first 20 minutes on asylum seekers. They could have left it at the first one who asked WWJD on asylum seekers but instead he got asked about 3 or 4 times the exact same question. I think he is right when he says that other prominent Christians, like our PM (supposedly), don’t get these question.  Tony was right when he said the liberal left media is only friendly to their own.

    • Fren says:

      12:37pm | 06/04/10

      Tony Abbott certainly is trying to appear less agressive and has been told to turn it down a notch. I quite like the agressive stance and confronting in your face opposition, they have been calling the Government to account for anything and everything. I dare say that the media does as well. On Q and A they left a number of open doors for him to walk into but refused much to my frustration.  It is a concern as he certainly feel more at home bashing ears. He really should be looking a Rudd for an example of how to appear at ease in front of the camera. He needs some catchy one liners.

    • Mikko says:

      12:30pm | 06/04/10

      Yeah, last time I heard the pale shade of grey PM mention the topic, he wasn’t exactly beating the drum or throwing any punches for gay marriages.

    • dementer says:

      12:33pm | 06/04/10

      Abbott was pathetic on Q and A. The whole show just helped Rudd in reelection as PM. Bye bye Abbott, bring on Joe Hockey and we will smash him as well.

    • Josh says:

      12:59pm | 06/04/10

      The only people who would say Abbott’s performance was pathetic would have to be a Rudd supporter. Well done Tony, you’ve obviously pissed off some Rudd lovers with your excellent performance on Q & A.

    • Seano says:

      01:26pm | 06/04/10

      You’re kidding Josh. Channelling Jesus was probably the dumbest thing Abbott has done in rapidly a growing list of dumb things he’s done as leader. Abbott stumbles from one mess to another. IMO the only thing the bloke has going for him is his advocation of a healthy lifestyle but even in that you can see the extremist in him.

    • Craigles says:

      01:39pm | 06/04/10

      As someone who has been mostly negative about Tony Abbott, I thought he did well last night; and has toned down his rhetoric to become quite statesman-like.  I think he was quite thoughtful, and is probably overcoming the strict Catholic roots that have been a mill-stone around his Rhodes scholar mind.  I think if he is reading some of the blog debates around the Catholic church, he might gather some objectivity that may help him position himself favourably in a secular society.

    • Macca says:

      02:06pm | 06/04/10

      @Seano… “Channelling Jesus was probably the dumbest thing Abbott has done”.

      Aren’t you just a sucker for mainstream press. Read the question and Answer again (thats the name of the show…). The bias against Abbott’s personal beliefs are pathetic, by the media and yourself Seano

    • Seano says:

      03:05pm | 06/04/10

      What’s pathetic are the excuses. Abbott spoke as if he knows the mind of Jesus on asylum seekers and only after the fact did he recognise that he’d “verbaled Jesus” or didn’t want to verbal him further.

      A politician as experienced as Abbott should be able to handle a loaded question better than that but of course his arrogance and prejudice couldn’t stop themselves from bubbling forth.

      Even on his super bestest behaviour.

      I’m looking forward to the end of the Abbott experiment and the appointment of Hockey who hopefully will with personality and policy put real pressure on Rudd to deliver good government.

      Abbott and Howard era wedge politics have had their day. Probably not for good but at least for now.

    • RJB says:

      01:02pm | 06/04/10

      The standard of Journalism in main stream media is absolutley pathetic. They are so Rudd compliant that they hunt in a pack to discredit anything Tony Abbott does or says. Your Prime Ministerial messiah is filmed every Sunday leaving church to be met by the the true believers with camera and tape in hand and yet he is never asked religious or morality questions. Lift your game or at least disclose your interest in your scribbles.

    • Mr X says:

      02:39pm | 06/04/10

      Journos don’t need to ‘hunt in a pack’ when Abbott comes out with pearlers such as “Aboriginal people have much to celebrate in this country’s British heritage”. Very stupid line. Rudd’s not stupid enough to say something like that.

      Or how about this one:

      “I removed 3 million dollars from the PBS scheme”. That’s a Labor advertising campaign right there. Journos on it?

      *crickets chirp*

      They’d rather focus on the strawman of religion, which I agree he handled well. Abbott is not the sole representative of all Catholics everywhere. So let’s focus on his policy.

      Where is he on mandatory internet filtering??

      *crickets chirp*

      Well, he doesn’t know. If there’s one issue he should show ‘leadership’ on, it’s that one. It’s pretty black and white: the answer is no, there is no way in hell it could ever be implemented properly despite all its supposedly good intentions. That’s a real vote winner, but he’s not on it.

    • Luke says:

      02:44pm | 06/04/10

      I agree Mr X, Abbott should lie and pretend to be whatever it takes to win votes, not let us know who he really is. This approach works for Rudd.

    • John says:

      01:30pm | 06/04/10

      I have been a Labor voter in the past, but I don’t listen to Rudd any more. I thought Abbott did well. The religious question is not relevant as Rudd is just as religious. So please can some one in the media please asked Rudd why he has so many god botherers in his ministry or is that type of question only for Abbott.

    • Seano says:

      01:20pm | 06/04/10

      I wonder if Tony Abbott could also enlighten us as to what Jesus has to say about economic policy, climate change and the NBN?

      The conservatives loved to point out Latham’s arrogance, well I see you one Mark Latham and raise you one Tony Abbott.

    • Mark says:

      02:05pm | 06/04/10

      Hahahahaha.

      You really didn’t read or watch the show did ya Seano?

      Catch up with the rest of us after you see it mate.

    • Macca says:

      02:02pm | 06/04/10

      @Seano, are you just trying to bait the Conservatives? or are you too idiotic / close minded to read Tory’s Piece properly?

      “Invited to comment on what he thought Jesus would have done about the steady stream of asylum-seeker boats heading here”. He was asked a question, and he answered it.

    • Seano says:

      03:04pm | 06/04/10

      “Jesus knew that there was a place for everything and it’s not necessarily everyone’s place to come to Australia.”

      I would have thought the appropriate answer would be “I’m not Jesus” but then possibly Tony isn’t sure.

      Excuse it any way you like champs, but even though the question was loaded Abbott answered it persuming to know the opinions of Jesus.

    • Luke says:

      03:07pm | 06/04/10

      @Seano - yeh and Abbott was having a good laugh when he said it. If you choose not to relate what he says in the context it is meant then your just playing stupid for stupids sake.

    • Mark says:

      03:24pm | 06/04/10

      You serious son?

      Look at what you typed.

      “Jesus knew there was a place for everything” is that what you are basing this on because the last part of your quote is just the opinion of T Abbott.

      So you think that Tony’s assertion that Jesus knew there was a place for everything is him “knowing” the opinion of Jesus. Wow wow wow.

      Overreach much?

      That is like saying that Julia Gillard does not have a Newfoundland dog and therefore must hate all dogs which is part of the environment so therefore she hates the environment because it is useful for me to believe that because I don’t like her politics and need to have a focus for my anger.

      You cwatididthar?

      My little mumbling was absurd as yours and carries as much weight. I think I will take the word of the former seminary student and Rhodes Scholar here. If Tony says Jesus thought there was a place for everything then I will roll with that.

      Just because he said doesn’t make it a statement of fact or a presumption he “knows” the Lords opinion in any case.

      When you are a big boy you have beliefs and ideas and you use them to form a contextual basis for that which is around you. That is all he did Seano. he framed his answer on his beliefs and gave it honestly.

      Ahh I see the problem. you are not used to a current leader of a political party actually having a point of voew. Sorry sorry sorry. I get it now. The answer wasn’t focused grouped enough or came with the stamp of lil lockie.

      Seriously lighten up dude, have a herb tea or something.

    • Seano says:

      03:17pm | 06/04/10

      Ah yeah….I can say something really offensive but hey as long as I’m laughing when I say it it all good genius….<insert laugh here>

    • Seano says:

      03:31pm | 06/04/10

      Mark do you honestly think anyone other than your right wing buddies is interested in your re-editing of what I said? I know I’m not. I stop reading shortly after first misquote.

      cwatididthar?

    • Mark says:

      04:01pm | 06/04/10

      Misquote?

      Seano says:

      04:04pm | 06/04/10

      “Jesus knew that there was a place for everything and it’s not necessarily everyone’s place to come to Australia.”

      How have I misquoted. That is a copy and paste from you remarkably similar to what I typed in my piece. I even asked you if that was your basis. I will assume that it must be then.

      That is your quote. If you really don’t want to participate in a argument don’t post.

      TL’DR is for the kiddies mate.

      So all I see is you again ducking from the issue and making up more stuff.

      if you don’t want to read don’t comment. Couldn’t care less what you do really. All I do is point out the extravagances of your interpretations into other peoples words.

      I will encourage you to read a lot though mate. Reading is good for you. Censorship and ignorance is bad. Not reading something because you may disagree with it is very sad in my opinion.

    • Mark says:

      04:48pm | 06/04/10

      Yep I do think more people than my imaginery right wing friends are interested in what I say.

      I quoted you mate.

      TLDR statements are not for here. Seriously if you have a point make it. if you make stuff up you will be called out. Not hard.

      Oh, I read places like this to get a wide range of views. Not everything I read i agree with. I read it though. Try it.

      Experiencing different things is fun. Arguing without making stuff up is too. You will get the hang of it.

    • Peter Simmons says:

      05:03pm | 06/04/10

      You obviously do not know anything about Jesus.
      He said   “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s and to God,  the things that are God’s”

      In other words Humankind is responsible for Human matters.

      That is what Abbott said.

    • Seano says:

      07:39pm | 06/04/10

      Mark good to see you’re actually trying to quote me directly now, I’m still not interested in your rant though.

      Peter Simmons:
      1. When did I ever claim to know anything about Jesus? I wouldn’t presume.
      2. When did Abbott say that exactly, I’ve looked through the transcript oh is this is one of those interpret things the way it suits you that you bible readers so love?

    • Mark says:

      08:16am | 07/04/10

      Seano no need to duck the issue as raised by telling fibs about me misquoting you.

      Learn to comprehend. You failed to understand what was said in the context it was said. Simmo summed it up nicely.

      Your point was null at the start is null now and will be null for all time. If you cannot join the dots and see the correlation between what Tony said and Simmo’s reference you truly are lost in this debate.

      Feel free to join us anytime.

    • Seano says:

      01:10pm | 07/04/10

      I’m hardly lost in this debate Mark simply because you haven’t offered one.

      I’ve already pointed out that Peter’s comments were his interpretation of what Tony said, what Jesus said. You can make up these justifications all day long.

      At the end of the day even Tony realised he’d verballed Jesus, shame he hadn’t done that before passing comment.

      Champ I’ll join the debate any time you actually offer one, but I am not interested in your misrepresentation of my arguments to give yourself a platform for attack or whatever other clownery you offer in lieu of argument.

    • Randal says:

      03:33pm | 07/04/10

      @Seano, you are playing with words and you know it, the question was put to Abbott directly by TJ as a web question and when he deflected it, TJ pushed and claimed it was legitimate as Abbott espouses a belief in Jesus.

      Abbott in a very broad reference used an analogy that Jesus did not say yes to everything and everyone, he at no stage claimed to speak on behalf of Jesus and finished the analogy in a way that it was clear he was not speaking on behalf of Jesus.

      Your rants and raves are typical of the left, who are seeking to attack Abbott with any tie into his religious beliefs, unfortunately for you and Tony Jones, in this case you are barking up the wrong tree and even used out of context there is nothing in Tony’s quotes that damage him.

      If you are seeking for the real bible terrier in the Parliament though, look no further than KRudd, the man who is known to carry a bible in his top jacket pocket, who has publically written in church publications the affect that his faith has had upon his political decisions.

      So if you hate religious pollies with such vigor, get after KRudd, or does your anti religion fervor swing in only one direction?

    • Seano says:

      05:27pm | 07/04/10

      @Randal. Go back and read the original quote, take a deep breath, think, then try again.

      Here it is for you:
      “Jesus knew that there was a place for everything and it’s not necessarily everyone’s place to come to Australia.”

      “Jesus knew”....did he Tony? Thanks for that.

      PS. Please do try and do better than “KRudd”.

    • Randal says:

      09:57am | 08/04/10

      @Seano, nice try at the edit, but let’s try the whole quote in context shall we:

      TONY JONES: What’s the analogy?

      TONY ABBOTT: Jesus didn’t say yes to everyone. I mean Jesus knew that there was a place for everything and it is not necessarily everyone’s place to come to Australia.

      First part clear analogy. second part Abbott’s opinion.

      The only reason it came up??

      TONY JONES: We’ve got a web question that’s come in. It’s from Brenton Anthony in Canberra: “When it comes to asylum seekers, what would Jesus do?”

      TONY ABBOTT: Well, Jesus wouldn’t have put his hand up to lead the Liberal Party, I suspect. Or the Labor Party, for that matter.

      TONY JONES: Okay. But someone who believes in principles that he espoused did do that, so it’s a legitimate question.

      How did it finish??

      TONY JONES: It’s quite an interesting analogy because, as you know, and a whip was used on that occasion to drive people out of the temple. You know, if that’s the analogy you’re choosing, should be take it at face value?

      TONY ABBOTT: No. No. I’m just saying that, look, Jesus was the best man who ever lived but that doesn’t mean that he said yes to everyone, that he was permissive to everything, and this idea that Jesus would say to every person who wanted to come to Australia, “Fine”, the door is open, I just don’t think is necessarily right. But let’s not verbal Jesus. I mean, he’s not here to defend himself.

      Pretty clear that he did not suggest, nor did he say that he was speaking for or on behalf Jesus, and also clear that the host Tony Jones was aware that the statement was an analogy and for you to suggest otherwise is pure folly and says a lot more about you than Abbott.

      Now off you go you and play with the small kiddies at the shallow end of the gene pool as you are clearly out of your depth on this topic.

    • Seano says:

      08:29am | 19/04/10

      He told us what Jesus “knew”. Why is that so hard for you to grasp? Unless he’s spoken to the bloke directly he’s making it up.

      But please do continute with these pathetic excuses.

    • Ziggy says:

      01:42pm | 06/04/10

      Abbott can’t think on his feet! He is obviously the sort of person who needs time to compose an answer and then blurts out something inappropriate anyway. Time he stopped trying to be everyman and became himself. I don’t want him to be my mate - just an effective leader who can solve some of the nation’s problems.

    • Luke says:

      01:40pm | 06/04/10

      Time he stopped trying to be everyman and became himself.
      Yeh right, like Kevin I suppose.

    • Macca says:

      02:14pm | 06/04/10

      @Ziggy… so you would rather a politician thinks about his lies, rather than just spews them out off his feet?

    • Mr Pastry says:

      01:53pm | 06/04/10

      ........ can I just mention Budgie smugglers again, it is an Abbott piece

    • Seano says:

      03:18pm | 06/04/10

      I wouldn’t you’ll only get harangued by the Surf Lifesaving Nazi.

    • Darren says:

      02:05pm | 06/04/10

      Tony looked quite drawn and tired last night - in fact he has not looked so ill since he and Forest Gump ran from Mona Vale to Campbelltown a few years ago - he lacked zing and energy - as he is a policy lightweight they are what he needs - without them he is doomed to fail

    • Robert Smissen of Rural SA says:

      04:53pm | 06/04/10

      Darren unless you are a complete dipstick you would know that Mr. Abbott had just finished a triathlon last week , the fact he is walking & talking is amazing.I considered that his performance last night was quite credible considering the the audience was stacked with left wing loonies, not to mention that Tony Jones did stuff all as moderator. I think if Little Kevvy was thrown in front of an audience of right wingers he would do far worse.

    • Darren says:

      06:56pm | 06/04/10

      @ robert - yes I am aware of his physical exertions - that is my point - he can either be opposition leader or a 52 year old ‘super athlete’ - if he wants to continue doing the latter he will be unable to do the former

    • Paul says:

      08:18pm | 06/04/10

      Darren - that’s right mate you stick to the Labor mantra and follow along like a good little sheep.

    • Robert Smissen of Rural SA says:

      12:07am | 07/04/10

      Darren if you had any athleticism at all physical exertion clears your mind, he will bounce back & can do both or in a few months be our prime minister. After all if Little Kevvy can hang out in sleazy strip clubs getting legless, surely Tony can train.

    • Darren says:

      09:40am | 07/04/10

      @Robert - as somebody who runs marathons and does other grueling events I can assure you it is difficult @ 52 to be across a multitude of policies and develop your your own ideas and train/exercise for 3-4 hours a day - I go back to my original point - Tony has to decide what he wants to do - be an athlete or an alternate PM - he looked tired and drawn on monday night - today he starts a 1000km bike ride - if anything it looks to me like he is suffering from a mid-life crisis - trying to hold onto his youth! -

    • BMJ says:

      02:30pm | 06/04/10

      Abbott was pathetic on QnA last night. The fact that this person could be the Prime Minister makes me gag.

    • Aitch B says:

      03:35pm | 06/04/10

      Oddly enough, BMJ, the fact that Rudd IS the Prime Minister has a similar effect on me. Go figure…...

    • JJJ says:

      03:33pm | 06/04/10

      Abbot did a good job on Q&A last night. He answered all questions in a diplomatic (SHOCK!), but still honest manner. Considering the amount of time he has been the leader of the opposition - I think he is doing VERY well (MUCH better than KRudd who is actually leading this country and could not answer many of the questions Abbot was asked last night in such a sensible manner, I am sure!).
      Well done, PeterAbbot - despite your insane laugh, you won points with me.

    • JudyS says:

      03:33pm | 06/04/10

      Tony Abbott looked exhausted on Q&A.  I felt sorry & embarrassed for him as he lurched from disaster to disaster (I suspect that Tony Jones did too).  It was all me, me, me.  Where were answers giving measured expositions of Liberal party policy?  Where was any long-term vision for Australia?  As for his complaints about being asked questions relating to his Roman Catholic faith ...  I think they are more than justified.  My understanding is that he is the sole RC politician who keeps forcing his RC beliefs in the collective face of the Australian people - both in his words (oral and written) and in his parliamentary voting.  It is therefore right and proper for us to probe to try to find out whether,  if he became PM, his actions would be determined by his RC beliefs or by the wishes of the Australian people where the two do not agree.  To me this is not a man who is Prime Ministerial material.  I fear that he would be a laughing stock on the international stage.

    • Neil says:

      03:56pm | 06/04/10

      Tony Abbott looked exhausted on Q&A.  I felt sorry & embarrassed for him as he lurched from disaster to disaster
      Are you serious?????? What a load of Bulls@3#! Far from it. I bet even you were surprised what a great job he did last night, just hard for you Rudd lovers to accept, I would expect.

    • Mark says:

      04:35pm | 06/04/10

      I will forgive his tired look he just ran an iron man.

      Disasters and lurching from one to another? Like what? Good throw away statement I guess. Get back to us with some examples. You know. Reasons why you thought they were disasters.

      Here is a little quote from the piece by Tors.

      “None of this would have changed anyone’s minds last night. Those who went to or watched the show wanting to be appalled at the Opposition Leader, probably still are.”

      Hai JudyS. There is your box. You fit right in.

      Like the laughing stock bit on the international stage.

      Hmm lets see.

      1. Making stuff up about G Bush.
      2. Starting an Asian forum - shame he didn’t ask anyone else
      3. Copenhagen in general - friend of the chair lol - that is a no go area now isn’t it.
      4. Starting a lets have a nuclear disaster forum, if only people would turn up and it was not already going.
      5. Eating ear wax.
      6. Strip clubs nudge nudge wink wink.
      7. Gushing about the President of the US and Russia having a chat just in front of me at a sporting event - like wow I was there and they was whispering stuff it was sooo cool.
      8. China relations.
      9. Indonesian relations with respect to people on a boat for a while.
      10. Japanese relations
      11. Whalers to the world court.
      12. Iran’s leaders to the world court.
      13. Copenhagen again - specifically using a lie like little Gracie to back up the small matter of rearranging the worlds economies.
      14. Declaring war on Alabama and Robyn Williams ( I know I exaggerated but it sounded cool)

      There is a few off the top of the head.

      Yeh JudyS - I would hate for any PM to make a goose of himself to the world at large. Especially if they were, you know /shock, deeply religious and used, oh I don’t know spit balling here, the church as a backdrop when making political statements. You know like how bad would that be?

    • Robert Smissen of Rural SA says:

      04:58pm | 06/04/10

      Judy S, time to start on your medication again, Tony is one of many Roman Catholic politicians, the toad/turd from QLD was a card carrying RC until the proddys offered him a deal, mind you the way he sucked up to the pope when he was in OZ I strongly suspect he is a secret Catholic too

    • Aitch B says:

      04:53pm | 06/04/10

      @JudyS:

      Abbot has never ‘forced his beliefs in the collective face of Australia’ as you put it. He voted against a bill once on the grounds of religious conviction and it was a conscience vote…. no party lines had to be followed. Do you happen to know how Rudd voted on that issue? I wouldn’t be surprised if he voted the same way as Abbot did.

      The voting public has just as much right to know Rudd’s RC then converted to C of E convictions and how they affect his actions. The fact that the media to date has chosen not to grill him on this issue says a lot about the media’s penchant for picking up a minor issue and beating the living crap out of it. Rudd has earned the right to be keelhauled by the media over some of his actions but we aren’t seeing that happen. One can only wonder why…....

      To a large extent Abbot is portrayed as a hard line Catholic because of all the loaded questions he is asked on the subject. At least he has the balls to provide answers in the context of the questions and not dance around them like Rudd and many of his Ministers do.

      Just because he uses the words ‘God’ and ‘Jesus’ in response to questions about ‘God’ and ‘Jesus’ doesn’t mean he’s going to force it down our throats if and when he becomes PM.

      If, on the other hand, he got up out of the blue and ranted and raved about religion like Pell for instance, I could understand your concerns.

      I suspect also that you don’t think Rudd is a laughing stock on the international stage. I have my doubts about that following Copenhagen and his statements regarding his beloved ‘Asian Union’.

    • Voxpop says:

      10:42am | 07/04/10

      Aitch B you are either very wrong or willfully misleading.

      Abbott HAS indeed ‘forced his beliefs in the collective face of Australia’.  And the conscience vote you refer to only came about because that was proven to be the case - the Govt copped a huge amount of flak over it.  So little Johnny, his co-conspirator only then buckled under pressure to allow the conscience vote.

      I’m very glad you posed the question as to how Rudd voted and I can tell you that he in fact voted against Abbott and Howard as did many others within the Liberal party including Julie Bishop, Peter Costello, Joe Hockey, Greg Hunt, Malcolm Turnbull and many others who have much more than this to disagree with Abbott on (climate change and maternity leave for example wink ).

      The reason Abbott is hounded about religion is that he has proven his contempt for the majority of Australians by going against their wishes and imposing his religious views through legislation while acting as minister for health.  The reason Rudd isn’t asked the same questions is that he has proven that he doesn’t allow his personal beliefs to cloud his judgement when governing for the good of all.

      Abbott abused his position of power as minister for health by misrepresenting advice from the TGA (that is he lied) so that he could force a ban on RU486.  The Govt copped so much flak over this that Howard had to step in to allow a conscience vote on the matter which ended with overwhelming support to allow RU486 in. (95 vs 50)

      This isn’t about debating for or against abortion we already know the overwhelming majority support pro-choice just as we know the majority of the population don’t want religion promoted over secularism.  Only 20% of the population identify as religious with only 8% going to church regularly.  RU486 is the safest method for women needing abortion and I was disgusted with Abbotts manipulation and overall nasty, outdated and ultra conservative views on womens health. 

      That wasn’t the only way he let his religious belief override his duty in his job - he made it mandatory for women to go through religious organisations for councelling (as well as giving them massive funding-where others received none) so that no matter how desperate a woman was she would get no referral or advice on how to seek an abortion but instead be manipulated while vulnerable.

      Tony Abbott as PM is a dangerous prospect indeed - fortunately it will never happen.

      The RU486 conscience vote stats -
      http://andrewbartlett.com/blog/wp-trackback.php?p=138

    • freeman says:

      07:52pm | 06/04/10

      Geese Tory,
      enough of the character assasination. 3 of your last 4 articles have been personal attacks on abbott barnaby. I’d love to see such close examination or Rudd\swann\gillard. they really enjoy a an easy ride. (yes I realise your article is supposed to be about his change in demeanor but still you focus on the negatives and his more uncomfortable moments.)
      Tony’s answer to the “jesus” question was an odd answer to a stupid question designed to do nothing else but make him look awkward.
      personally I find Tony jones smugg presenting style off-putting and I hate the way he always turns his back to the single conservative guest they have on the panel.

    • Radical Chick says:

      10:32pm | 06/04/10

      Abbott is growing and the media knows it….hence the many hit pieces. They appear to love the smart by a half, always promising and never delivering Labor Party….go figure!!
      The Jesus question is a beat up!!
      Abbott should do really well…I am surprised he is consolidating his leadership nicely.
      Illegal boats and Internet censorship are winners….
      Abbott…why are you not exploiting the fact the Yankees criticized the Labor Government for the internet censorship!!!????

    • loz says:

      12:18am | 07/04/10

      Tony Abbott did a very reasonable job on Q & A considering the recycled questions asked.  It would have been more interesting had Tony set his own questions. It was a leftist circle surrounding him with a cliche mentality.  Whether it was an inquisition on Jesus or Tony, it bordered on mocking. The guy in the audience who gave the finger to a response by Tony Abbott, was a real turn off. Was Tony Abbott there to tickle the ears of the audience and viewer? He shouldn’t be.

    • Christian Real says:

      06:51am | 07/04/10

      Tony Abbott appears to have used the Lord’s name in vain,and he is only summising that the Lord Jesus would turn the boat people back.
      It also appears that he will have to ask the priest to hear his sins at the next mass he attends, so that he can receive forgiveness for using the Lord’s name for political point scoring.
      Abbott is an opportunist that only cares about himself ,  the biggest opportunist and show pony to ever be made a leader, and he hopes that his political stunts will get him across the line and make up for the policies that he does not have.

    • xiaoecho says:

      10:20am | 07/04/10

      Everyone is asking if it’s fair to quiz Abbott on his beliefs. One word. RU486.

      Mr Abbott has PROVEN that he will use his office to impose his religious belief. FACT!!!

    • Ross says:

      10:52am | 07/04/10

      xiaoecho is right . Remember RU496. If the answer is Abbot the question must be stupid.

    • Henry says:

      02:05pm | 07/04/10

      KRUDD voted for it too.

    • Voxpop says:

      07:38am | 08/04/10

      Henry = wrong

      Rudd voted against Abbott on RU486.  (see my post above)

      Howard voted with Abbott - but thankfully the overwhelming majority trounced them.

    • Christian Real says:

      09:57pm | 08/04/10

      This is an extract from Wikipedia:
      ” A conscience vote took place, in February 2006, approving a measure that deprived the health minister of regulatory control of the abortion drug RU486. Abbott and previous health ministers had decided not to allow it to be made available. Abbott responded to the vote by calling for funding of alternative counselling to pregnant women through church-affiliated groups. During this time he criticised the acceptance of abortion,saying… we have a bizarre double standard, a bizarre double standard in this country where someone who kills a pregnant woman’s baby is guilty of murder but a woman who aborts an unborn baby is simply exercising choice.”
      “Abbott opposed allowing the introduction of embryonic stem cell research or therapeutic cloning in another conscience vote, preferring continued use of adult stem cells for research into cures for debilitating diseases. He argued that :“there are very important ethical questions here and even the very best end does not justify every possible means.” He proposed a return to at - fault divorce, similiar to the matrimonial Causes Act, which would require spouses to prove offences like adultery, habitual drunkeness or cruelty before a divorce is granted.”
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Abbott

    • Sam says:

      11:34am | 07/04/10

      According to the Australian he did a great job on Q&A.(they would). Seriously, he looked tired and his answers took forever to come out. He stutters quite a lot considering he such a straight shooter!  I reckon half of his answers are made up of pauses.

    • Robert Smissen of Rural SA says:

      12:45pm | 07/04/10

      Sam do you know what a triathlon is? ? ? ? The fact that he could talk & walk is amazing! ! As for the hand picked “loony lefty latte” crowd who were more interested in point scoring than listening to the answers.

    • freeman says:

      06:34pm | 07/04/10

      Sam,
      abbott does pause alot when speaking and you can see him thinking, this is for 2 reasons,
      1) his lines are not rehearsed. (ever notice how labor members always give the exact same answer to a given question such as when asked about abbotts policy on emmissions, Rudd, wong and Gillard all immediatley answered “it’s a climate con job!” all rehearsed together before they fronted the media no doubt.
      2) he has to be more careful then labor members in how he phrases things because the progressive media will gladly misrepresent his statement by taking part of his sentence and making it a headline.

    • Beverley says:

      12:09pm | 07/04/10

      I am a regular Qand A watcher and I have been in the audience once - an experience I can thoroughly recommend. I am looking for a political path to follow after being somewhat disappointed by Mr Rudd and was hoping that Mr Abbott’s appearance would inspire me. Sadly I found no inspiration - although there was nothing I found particularly disturbing I did not find anything particularly inspiring either.  To me he was very underwhelming - oh for a third choice!!!

    • Andrew says:

      04:06pm | 07/04/10

      Budgie smugglers, religious references, homophobia etc ... Oh, just another article on Tony Abbott.

      When will our left wing media start holding the actual government up to the spotlight instead of trying to denigrate the opposition leader.

      It’s so sad, so typical that instead of critiquing the actual government our media is consumed with an almost religious zeal to attack TA.

      Ask KRudd the same questions. Maybe on one of his church doorstops.

      Yawn.

    • Timmo says:

      07:46pm | 07/04/10

      Instead of focusing on Tony Abbotts religious input as if it is the Sanctus Sanctorum and going on about it all the time, lets start to realize that Australia has many Religions not just christianity and we never read about their feelings regarding boat people, or other issues occuring in our country.

      In our country today we have many Religious Traditions Represented. We have the Asian, Indian, Western Christianity of various types, hundreds of christian groups preaching a different Dogma to say the Catholics. Then there are many variations of Middle Eastern Religions, and European Methods as well and many I haven’t mentioned here obviously. In our country there are people from all over the world from every nook and cranny of this Planet and they all bring with them their beliefs. So we have a great diversity of different religions and philosophies. Isn’t that great?. To my thinking at least many people of other faiths don’t write or say what they feel regarding issues as they probably feel they may be intimidated and victimised in some way. Let’s stop this pushing of the Christian barrow all the time. Lord Buddah for instance is as important historically as Jesus. Islamists would probably think that Muhammed was equal historically,
      and others would have their opinons as well. Then we also have the Agnostic Viewpoint and the Athiestic Viewpoint and their way of seeing these issues is just as important. No one here has the higher ground every viewpoint is right according to the individual.

      If Mr Abbott thinks that Jesus would have turned the boat people back and away and made them not welcome then from my study this would not be correct, but then, the question could be put. Would the Buddah turn them back and away, would another important spiritual figure have turned them away. There have been many great spiritual and religious teachers in the World and even today there are many in our country and different lands. Jesus is purported by Tony Abbott in most of his discussions as in some way being the only one. Pretty insulting to the other different believers and non believers.

      Wake up Tony, Australia is multi-cultural, didn’t you know that?!.
      I thought that there was a Law about the Separation of powers of Church and State. Well to my mind that is not being applied here.

    • JudyS says:

      05:04pm | 18/04/10

      I have just read the rude posts which purport to reply to me - from Neil, Mark, Robert Smissen and Aitch B.  It is sad that people resort to personal abuse.  I make three points: a) As the philosopher Schopenhauer said in his exposition on ways to ‘win’ an argument - “Become personal, insulting and rude as soon as you perceive that your opponent has the upper hand. In becoming personal you leave the subject altogether, and turn your attack on the person by remarks of an offensive and spiteful character. This is a very popular technique, because it takes so little skill to put it into effect.”  b) The article is about Tony Abbott’s performance on Q&A and comments should have addressed that specific topic.  c)  Do not make assumptions about my political leanings; I am not the only Liberal voter who holds the views which I expressed.

 

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