People keep asking me does gender matter in politics? If this week’s news about the gender pay gap in managerial jobs is anything to go by, not as much as it does in management.

This pay inequality is getting old. Illustration: Eric Lobbecke

I’ve always believed that there is no more basic principle of fairness than equal pay for equal work. Yet it was no surprise to anyone that Macquarie University research highlighted in this week’s The Age found female managers are an average of $13,500 a year worse off than their male counterparts.

The research took into account that women managers work in lower-paid sectors such as health and community services and clock up slightly less hours than male managers. Even accounting for these factors, the work of a woman manager comes at a $13,500 discount.

The conclusion - the cause of the gap is discrimination.

If it’s good enough for female parliamentarians to be paid at the same rate as their male colleagues, then why not the same for everybody else?
Just what is it going to take for Australians to make the cultural shift necessary to get women paid the same as men for the same work?

Things are very different to 30 years ago, when I interviewed Rex Pilbeam the then Mayor of Rockhampton, whose policy was to sack any woman on his staff who got pregnant.

Last month I was sworn into my new portfolio by our first female Governor-General Quentin Bryce. Thirty years ago she was telling me about the need for anti-discrimination laws in Queensland.

This year another generation of Queenslanders anointed Anna Bligh as the first elected woman premier.

Access to education is now universal. We have long-standing anti-discrimination laws, and big workplaces have equity and diversity plans.

Technology has made our jobs more flexible than ever. Most office based workers no longer have to grind out the hours under the same roof as their colleagues. We’re all accessible 24/7 whether we want to be or not, and can work pretty much anywhere we like. Social networking means we’re always connected with our friends and colleagues.

This should make balancing work and family easier.

The burden of parental care is still borne predominantly by women (although men have lifted their game) but it should be less of a barrier to employment.

Thanks to the Rudd Government we will soon have a universal paid parental leave scheme to support parents through the early days of their child’s life.

Yet our managerial culture isn’t quite managing change.

Professional women I speak to say managers often aren’t as supportive as their HR departments claim to be when it comes to accommodating parental responsibilities.

I get the impression that some managers see family friendly work conditions as privileges to be tightly policed rather than a means to cultivate and retain skilled staff.

I’ve lost count of the number of professional women I know who’ve moved on after being unable to negotiate part-time work or work at a skill level commensurate to their abilities on return from maternity leave.

Many managers talk the talk, but run the other way when it comes to walking the walk.

One company headed in the right direction is Ikea.

Last week it signed up to a new enterprise agreement that includes 26 weeks of paid parental leave after two years service. The leave will be available to full-time and part-time employees.

Ikea’s national HR manager Peter List spoke of his company’s strong commitment to helping employees return to work after caring for children.

“Co-workers offer us so much more when they come back with a family. We want to support and encourage that if at all possible,” he said.

Plenty of small businesses get it too.

One of my local constituents in Bennelong is a solicitor who runs a mid-sized suburban legal practice.

He’s told me he’s thrilled that he’ll soon be able to take advantage of the Rudd Government’s own paid parental leave scheme.

“It means the women who work for me will feel a bit more relaxed about having time and income to care for their new-borns but will then return to work. It’s a win-win,” he told me.

Good will and common sense go a long way when it comes to negotiating flexible arrangements for working parents.”
Sex Discrimination Commissioner Elizabeth Broderick – a former partner in the law firm Blake Dawson - tells a great story about how four women in her department became pregnant (herself included) within a month of each other.

They redesigned their jobs to cover the workloads and took a more flexible approach to childcare.

When I hear stories like these, I really wonder how managers can still be dragging the chain.

The Federal Government is moving ahead.

Last month the Minister for the Status of Women, Tanya Plibersek, announced a review of the Equal Opportunity for Women in the Workplace and Agency (EOWA) to investigate what’s working and where we may need a new approach.

Tanya will be releasing an Issues Paper shortly to kick off consultation – it’s your chance to have your say.

We have come a fair way in 30 years.

A female Governor-General now gives Royal Assent to enact all Commonwealth legislation.

I met the current Mayor of Rockhampton last week in a kitchen. No one was bare foot or pregnant!

Isn’t it about time we resolve the gender pay issue once and for all?

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    • Eric says:

      07:49am | 18/07/09

      More feminist whingeing.

      Women get equal pay when they work equal hours and have equal experience. End of story.

      The “gender pay gap” is just one more myth that feminists use to push their anti-male agenda.

    • Hannah says:

      04:00pm | 11/03/10

      Eric, you have got to be joking. I have not noticed any ‘anti-male agenda’ so maybe stop being paranoid - it’s simply about ensuring that the gender pay gap in Australia is remedied as soon as possible so we stop operating in an industrial dark ages. Do people like you really still exist?? Talking of such things….....??

    • Alex says:

      08:57am | 18/07/09

      The managerial employment contract involves offer and acceptance. If you (male or female) think the offer is under the odds, DON’T ACCEPT IT!

    • At Work (or not) says:

      09:16am | 18/07/09

      Absolutely Maxine!

      I work in a male dominated industry and the gender divide is huge. Right now, I’m training a new male staff member, who I know is on at least 15k a year more than me. However, due to the current climate, I’m too afraid to leave my job (which they’ve told me is pretty secure) to go out and find something new, where I’ll be first on the block when we really feel the crunch- any day now. So I have to get other work to support my child.

      I have female friend who is an incredibly good salesperson. She normally earns well over 100k - but when she approached another business for a new position, they automatically offered her the junior position, when a senior one was available. Trust me, she’s not a junior.

      As far as we’ve come, there are still many more miles to go.

    • D. West says:

      10:37am | 18/07/09

      “We have come a fair way in 30 years”? Sounds like a lot of inaction and decades of disappointing articles like the above. Women are only going to get equal pay when they fight for it…or perhaps wait another 30 years. Patience girls!  If you make half an effort - I’m sure you will be suprised at the support you will get from all quarters.

    • HooHoo says:

      12:24pm | 18/07/09

      Maxine,

      I support your arguement. What matters is that these women or men are getting paid for what they do. The arguement against men getting paid more than women is that too many men are getting paid more than a woman, and being employed for the sake of being male, and being incompetent.

    • Homme says:

      12:45pm | 18/07/09

      At this time more men are becoming unemployed than women .. discrimination perhaps .. those over 50 are finding it difficult if not impossible to find employment .. discrimination perhaps. Why not fight for those who need some help rather than those who are doing OK ??

    • Kurisu Sonsaku says:

      12:50pm | 18/07/09

      Maxine…. what you have written is absolute s**t, why you may ask?

      Simple, i was a nurse for 18 years, (yes, men do that as a vocation), when i pursued my career in a senior role it was a reverse bias that existed. That is, women were preferred over men and renumeration was reflected in that.

      Thankfully i have moved on into more rewarding areas in management and don’t have to hear this women as a victim tripe. Within the company i now work for there is a mix of men and women who are Project Managers and Contract Administrators, we are paid according to our experience, skills, work ethic and what we bring to advance the company in the marketplace. We all work under contract which we nut out prior to accepting an offer. No one in a senior role has a gun put to their head to accept an offer.

      Enough with the underpaid women as victims rubbish. There are women in my workplace that are paid higher than me and there are women in my workplace paid lower than me, this is commensurate with our skills, knowledge & experience.

      The whining diatribe from persons such as yourself serves no purpose except to promote a victim mentality….shame on you for such weak pandering

    • James says:

      01:28pm | 18/07/09

      “...worse off than their male counterparts.”  I’m curious how ‘counterpart’ is defined when this sort of research takes place?  Is it just someone doing the same job with the same level of responsibility?  Do they take years of experience in the job, qualifications, previous jobs, age and other factors into account when comparing the wages of males and females in the same job?

      Or is it just a female doing job X is paid $60,000 and a male doing job X is paid $73,500 and then assume the difference is because of gender and not because of a difference in experience, training, age etc. ?

    • Marie says:

      01:58pm | 18/07/09

      Ok, excuse my english, 5 month old on my lap. I have to say im a excutive level female manager of 36 yrs of age and ive never experienced any difference in my pay to other colleagues on my level since i was a manager at 23. My tip, if you want the bucks, stand up for it, take nothing less. Know your worth. But youve got to be good. In my last job of 6 senior managers reporting to a CEO, my remuneration was the highest after CEO, and all other managers were 10 years older than me and more experienced !! If you are going to sit back and take what they give you..then dont complain. Know you’re worth, pick the right figure and dont budge. Infact at job offer time, make them, go up a bit. I always do !! And they always do !!

    • TG says:

      02:22pm | 18/07/09

      Oh, good grief.  Only got a few paras in and quit.

      For the LAST TIME:  Companies are in business to make money.  If they could get women who were just as effective in the job and just as well-qualified, just as hard-working and just as experienced as men for LESS MONEY, don’t you think they’d be doing it en masse?

      What is it with union drones and not understanding how capitalism works?

    • MF says:

      03:08pm | 18/07/09

      I’m female and in an extremely male dominated industry - the ratio is about 10:1.  I don’t care about that, I get along with the guys just fine.  But I also get paid just as much as my male colleagues who are at the same level as I am.  Stop making excuses.

    • Madison says:

      03:20pm | 18/07/09

      Now that we’re on the topic of fair pay for equal work, the real injustice is not in gender discrepancies but rather age. At the turn of the century I was in 14 years old and I got my first part time job working in the kitchen at Pizza Hut. I worked there for $5.45 (and that was at the CASUAL rate too!) with the federal minimum wage at that time being around $12. Every year I would get a pay rise of around $1 until I was 21 where then it would be capped.

      I have been presented with a few perspectives as to why this is the norm.
      What I still don’t understand is why this practice is legal. A 14, 16 or 18 year old can work just as hard as any 21 year old; I know I did. If it’s a matter of experience then a 16 year old who’s worked at a company for 2 years would surely have more experience than a 22 year who is just coming into work for that company. Yet the older person would be paid better. How is this even remotely fair?

    • Formersnag says:

      03:23pm | 18/07/09

      There are some facts that have conveniently been left out of both the survey and article as usual.

      For every single career woman out there, you will also find 10,000 non-career women who are however extremely aggressive by proxy. Pushing their husband to bring home an ever expanding pay packet. These men, encouraged by their wives are willing to work longer hours, nights, weekends, dirty work with more penalty rates and danger money. Pursue every promotion with far more responsibility and a longer commute.

      Fixing this problem is easy. Bring in work place conscription for working mothers forcing them out of shorter hours, closer to home, jobs. They instead could then go into underground mining or front line fighting in Afghanistan.

      Ready to try a new career are we Maxine?

    • Chris says:

      04:31pm | 18/07/09

      I work in a female doninated industry as an animal technician. There is no difference in pay for people of opposite sex with the same experience and skill level. Regardless of a trainee, supervisors or managment position.

      Is there a data base that is open to the public that shows all the pay scales and any differences based on sex?
      I’d like to see it if there is one.

    • Madison says:

      04:45pm | 18/07/09

      Eric, I think you’re very close to the truth there.

      These findings are based study consisting of wildly immeasurable variables. I seriously doubt women on the whole are being short changed in Australia’s cortopia.

    • Raise Mum's Salaries says:

      06:29pm | 18/07/09

      What constantly intrigues me is that corporate women somehow think that parenting should be an equally shared experience.  Why don’t we all just admit what has been apparent for centuries.  Women make the best Mums and ALL children need a ‘Mum’ person in their lives.  What ‘Mums’ should be getting is the same salary for bringing up the next generation.  This would ensure morality re-entered politics and the work force. Just because being a Mum is a poorly paid job, doesn’t make it of any less importance.

    • Perhaps we need an 'Education Revolution'? says:

      07:34pm | 18/07/09

      “...and clock up slightly less hours than male managers.”

      “Less”?  Didn’t Max, like so many other Laborites, used to be a teacher/educrat?  How sad, then, that she would not seem to know the difference between “less” and “fewer” in basic English usage.

      I have often wondered why young people today seem so confused on that one and so often get it wrong; now I have an insight as to why.

      If only we could pay teachers, male OR female, according to skill (which, yes, includes mastery of basic English language skills)!

      I am an engineer, and part of why I have done so well is that I know how to communicate well in English.  I would be offended if someone with inferior skills demanded the same pay as me simply because they had ovaries in lieu of talent.

    • troy says:

      12:33am | 19/07/09

      Interesting article, a good example of the victim mentality of sheltered workshops.

      I work in an engineering offshore engineering field, historically male dominated. My boss is female and doing well, and I have 30 engineers working for me a portion of which are female. I have definite biases towords employees who do their job well and solve more problems than they create to keep the business running regardless of race or sex.. I think that is the case in most places.
      If your note getting a head try harder.

    • The Con Fused says:

      01:40am | 19/07/09

      Wow… love to hear how someone who has made a handsome living off the Public Purse feels hard done by.

      Anyway, at least in my workplace this is not the case. Everyone gets paid exactly the same depending on how many years they have been here.

      I will say that (in our workplace) women have the amazing advantage of being able to go part time. If I wanted to go part time I would be shown the door. But if a women asks the answer is ‘how many days do you want to work?’.

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      12:13pm | 19/07/09

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    • Ian McTaggart says:

      05:41pm | 19/07/09

      Why is that we never see people like Maxine arguing that there should be jobs for women in the garbage collection industry or similar?

    • Shane from Melbourne says:

      08:11pm | 19/07/09

      When Maxine gets a real world job instead of being a politician then I’ll start to take notice….

    • Bruce says:

      08:53pm | 19/07/09

      I fully support the concept of equal pay for equal work. Gender should not come into it. It should always the best person for the job. I have 2 daughters and professional management positions. They tell me they compete and are treated extremely well and cetainly are paid equally with their male counterparts. My advice to both of my daughters is that you have to compete hard in the workplace and you need to be better than those you compete against. Sometimes you win, sometimes you loose, but do not blame others. You dont like it, go somewhere else. It would be good if the data could be published regarding the statistics which indicate what the $13,500 discount is made up of, and why the difference. Is it really discrimination or is there some other agenda being played out.? I would like to think it was not discrimination.

    • David says:

      12:24am | 20/07/09

      The gap is real. But it is kinda weird.
      Back when I was an economics undergrad (late 80’s early 90’s) we did a similar study. We adjusted for everything we could and there was still a gap.
      We couldnt explain it at all.

      Years later I did an MBA and part of the course was negotiation. We did many different negotiation exercises both in class and in the real world. We observed, and many studies concur, that women always performed worse (got a worse deal) when negotiating than men. (It’s true, I am not making this up. In one study, women and men were sent to ten different car dealers to buy the same car from the sales person. In every instance they paid more for the exact same car.)

      FINALLY, I had a solution to the gender gap. As you go up the levels of management your wages are much more negotiable. No awards or standard agreements etc. Consequently the higher up women rise in management the more negotiable the salary and the greater the divide between men and women.

      As an aside it is interesting to theorise why women negotiators do not produce the best outcomes. Is it because they are just not good at negotiating? No.. well not in all cases. In some negotiations, toughness is essential and that may be a problem for some women. BUT, I have observed that if a women is negotiating with a man then the man will almost never let that women get a better deal than himself. EVEN if that means not producing a result at all. Not that this should be an excuse, in this world it is every body for her or himself. Dog eat Dog etc.

      For the records I am a 39 year old male who shows no allegiance to any political party.

    • G says:

      09:15am | 20/07/09

      The victim card can only work for so long.

      There isn’t any discrimination when applying for a job, its the job itself, it doesn’t say on the position description, Male pay: $60,000 - Female Pay: $50,000.  So where are these figures coming from?

    • YT says:

      03:05pm | 20/07/09

      Great post @David.  I wonder if women and men also negotiate differently?  We know our brains are hard wired in different ways to, generally, give different but equally important skill sets… So what if the “negotiating” skills of men are about win/lose outcomes (I kill the lion or the lion kills me), and the “negotiating” skills of women are about win/win outcomes (everyone in the family needs to eat, so you share the food so everyone gets something)?  So men have to achieve a certain outcome (salary level, bonus etc) to feel they have “won”.  But women have to feel they are being fair in negotiations, so there’s got to be a compromise to complete the deal. 

      Proves that historically for women having unions has al least brought parity in many other areas of employment, if not in management. 

      Thank God for these topics, otherwise how would Eric be able to beat his drum?  Yep, it’s a massive feminist conspiracy mate.  What is?  Everything. Oh no, you’ve figured it out…

    • AussieJazzman says:

      03:30pm | 20/07/09

      Could people who claim that there’s no gender gap please demonstrate a fault with the survey technique in the survey that Maxine has linked before making spurious claims that it’s all a lie.  Yes, SOME women will earn the same as their male counterparts (to those women and men who say there’s no gender gap in their workplace), however, the study referenced, which I can find no fault with, demonstrates that there is still a gender gap in pay when examined as an economy-wide trend.

      In short, stop trying to combat quantifiable statistics with your personal experiences, it makes you look foolish.  Unless you can demonstrate using evidence that it’s all ‘a big feminist conspiracy’, the debate should not be about whether the gap exists, but rather what we should do about it.

    • Michelle says:

      12:27pm | 05/02/10

      AussieJazzman, thank you.  What a relief to see that somebody with reading and comprehension skills comes to this site.  And to “The Con Fused”, yes clearly you are - I didn’t see any indication Maxine felt “hard done by”, in fact I believe she specifically mentioned “female parliamentarians [are] paid at the same rate as their male colleagues”.

      Again, the point is that inequality exists in other sectors and we need to address it.  Any constructive suggestions?

    • David says:

      06:07pm | 20/07/09

      YT it does seem possible to me that men and women do negotiate differently. Whether through, DNA, biochemistry or environment.

      Arguably co-operative negotiating produces better results all round.

      I cant see how leislation would help.

    • Eric says:

      06:09pm | 20/07/09

      AussieJazzman,

      It’s the researchers who are making these wild claims.

      It’s up to them to provide the evidence, not the rightly skeptical public.

    • Gilmore says:

      06:53pm | 20/07/09

      The research hasn’t even been published yet!

      (although it may have been presented at the HILDA conference by now)

      This whole thing was based on a press release from Mac uni & Maxine saw a political opening and took it. Looks like it didn’t really pay off (no pun intended).

    • SD says:

      08:50pm | 20/07/09

      Actually - I just found a copy of the published paper:

      http://www.melbourneinstitute.com/conf/hildaconf2009/Papers/Session 7A/Watson, Ian_paper.pdf

      My thoughts:

      The pay discrepancies between male and female managers can be explained in terms of their respective representations in varying industries. Female managers are more likely to be found in areas such as health or retail whereas male managers are more likely to be found in industry related areas such as manufacturing or construction.

      My conclusion is that it is fundamental differences in personal interest between the genders which produce the pay gap. Unfortunately, health and retail doesn’t pay as much as manufacturing or construction - it’s as simple as that.

      The pay gap is real - but it is not due to inherent discrimination.

      Have a look at pay rates by industry here:
      http://content.mycareer.com.au/salary-centre/?ads=0&s_cid=215859

      What would demonstrate discrimination is an analysis of whether females within single industries such as construction or manufacturing were at a disadvantage compared to males of equal experience and qualifications. Of course, if this is the case, then it is a serious issue that we should all work to address. However, fortunately the Watson study doesn’t demonstrate this. We could also debate the equity of societal gender stereotypes which produce incongruent salaries. I’d rather we didn’t though!

      All that said, I read the study rather quickly (41 pages) so I may have got it wrong. If anyone thinks otherwise, please let me know, citing the relevant page number of the Watson study you reference.

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    • Ken says:

      03:14pm | 16/08/10

      This is rather belated but I am a former Rockhampton resident who remembers Rex Pilbeam late in his mayoral days in the 1970s.  Ms. McKew, you frequently refer to his policy of sacking female council workers at marriage.  It was true, but not in all cases.  The chief librarian was a married woman with a degree and kept her job, the policy seemed to be applied to non-professional female workers.  They were replaced, not with men, but with young women fresh out of school.  Supposedly the idea was to give these young women some kind of employment, which would not have been available if the positions were filled by married women.  So was the policy discriminatory?  Yes.  It discriminated in favour of young unmarried women.  (Probably saved the council some increases in seniority pay as well.)

      Among professionals, they might be expected to begin a career at 21 to 23 with a tertiary degree.  By the age of 30 or so they might be expecting to enter the lower levels of management.  But if the women have had two or three children by then, they have had something like two years less experience in the business.  That is a lot compared to the seven or so years they have been in the enterprise.  Then there is always the possibility lurking in the back of senior management’s minds that there will be more children to come.  Thus promotion often comes later, and so does the higher pay rate.  Unfair?  Probably.  Realistic?  Maybe. 

      In 2009 I watched a large office building going up across the street.  My observation was that the builders were exclusively male.  It’s possible that there were two or three women in the site office though.  Virtually all underground coal miners are male, though 22 years ago one u/g mine (Oaky Creek if memory serves) did have a woman supervising one crew . 

      Why is this?  Are building contractors and mining companies actively discriminating against women (illegal) or don’t women apply for jobs as building workers and underground coal miners?
      It is all very fine to argue about management pay but the fact is that the vast majority of male and female workers never come within a bull’s roar of management.

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