As the AFL basks in the afterglow of another sensational season, capped by a grand final that will stand forever as a contest for the ages, its arch-rivals at the NRL are dealing with a different set of circumstances which every sporting administrator, marketing analyst and media commentator failed to forecast.

Now that's a crowd: the Eels fans at Friday's Parra-Canterbury blockbuster. Picture: Gregg Porteous.

And it’s this - league’s not dead after all. Not even close. League’s going gangbusters. Somehow, the year which was hailed as the death-knell for league has somehow turned into one of its best on record. Even the NRL didn’t see it coming.

The resurgence has been led out of its western Sydney powerbase, crowned with a qualifying final last Friday between heartland clubs the Parramatta Eels and the Canterbury Bulldogs, which in terms of crowd attendance, TV ratings, and the intensity and passion with which it was played, was every bit as good as Saturday’s Cats-Saints blockbuster.

And possibly even better, as it was a wholly unpredictable match-up which pitted two sides who had been rightly written off earlier this year, the dysfunctional Dogs as 2008’s wooden-spooners, the hapless Eels sitting at six wins from 15 starts two-thirds of the way into the 2009 season, but which through momentum and self-belief found themselves in a sudden-death contest for a place in the grand final.

It’s a massive psychological and tactical boost for the NRL, as it steels itself for one of the biggest wars in the history of Australian sport as the AFL audaciously attempts to plant its 18th club smack-bang in the middle of rugby league territory.

It’s for this reason that the NRL is now turning its mind to the lessons from Friday night’s game and the surge in support for its clubs out west, looking at how it can maximise every opportunity across marketing, memberships, corporate support and community programs, to establish a beachhead against the marauders from down south.

If one match can synthesise the best elements of a sport, Friday night’s come-from-behind, 22-12 victory by the Eels demonstrated everything that is great about league.

It was an awesome combination of grace and brutality.

Dally M winner and reborn league bad boy Jarryd Hayne pirouetting past two, three, four Dogs defenders, playing with the lightness of a AFL centre like Andrew McLeod or Paul Kelly, to set up what would be a match-winning try. The beautifully-named Fuifui Moimoi barrelling forward like a human refrigerator, somehow keeping his feet, and the ball alive, to offload for a try. Nathan Hindmarsh repelling about 30 minutes’ of attacks from the Dogs’ forward pack, the ball millimetres away from the Canterbury line. Hayne inadvertently knocking out Bryson Goodwin with two knees to the back after the Bulldog scored.

At the end, the emotionally-spent crowd standing as one to farewell Lebanese Muslim Hazem El Masri from the game he’s given more too as a community leader than from any of his many, miracle feats on the park.

And for a code that’s often teased about empty stands, there wasn’t a spare seat left at the ANZ stadium with a record finals crowd of 74,549, which is as good as capacity at Homebush when the stands are set up in their league configuration.

Daily Telegraph executive sports editor Phil Rothfield has seen more than a few league games in his life and he says that Friday’s encounter even eclipsed State of Origin for the passion of the fans.

“It really was unbelievable,” he said today. “The atmosphere more like a European soccer match, I’ve never seen anything like it.”

Punch sports columnist Luke Mcilveen, who was also out there, describes the game as “a heaving, medieval mass made up of blue and white and blue and gold.”

“Every try, every goal, every mistake, every hit was met with either joy or foaming condemnation that shook the concrete underfoot. The only means of communicating above the din was the high-five. You high-fived your mates, the six-year-old kid behind you, hell, you even high-fived the guy with the Cornettos around his neck. The 80 minutes flew past like a feverish dream. I wish I could say the same about the traffic jam in the carpark afterwards.”

I watched it on TV, on delay and knowing the score, in our hotel room in Melbourne where we’d gone to see the GF, and even then it was still electrifying. It was sport at its absolute best.

And given the eight months rugby league has just had, it’s bizarre that the conversation on the eastern seaboard is about how well league has gone, when a few months ago the consensus was it was close to being gone altogether.

Space permitting, a potted history of some off-field lowlights of 2009:

It was the year which started with the face of league’s 2009 marketing campaign, Manly’s Brett Stewart, charged with sexual assault; the year which saw the shaming of Channel Nine’s much-loved Matty Johns over his adulterous role in a group sex scandal exposed by Four Corners; the year the NRL itself commissioned secret research as to whether its brand was so debased that it should change its name.

The year which ended with a coach – not a player, but a coach, South Sydney’s Jason Taylor - sacked by his board for getting into a drunken fight with one of his own players at the club’s end-of-year Mad Monday celebrations.

The year when the league bible, Sydney’s Daily Telegraph, became so fatigued at covering the repeated off-field dramas that it badged its sports pages “scandal-free zone” in an almost desperately optimistic gesture aimed at getting back to writing about the game.

The year when every key sponsor was holding crisis talks about whether to sully their reputation by associating with a code which was now being covered by sports reporters armed with police radios.

Bizarrely, and with one massive game still to be played in season 2009, the NRL finds itself in a position where crowd attendances have gone through the roof, up to 3.046 million for the regular season, the highest since the 20-team ARL competition way back in 1995 and since the inception of the NRL.

TV ratings have also surged, putting the NRL on target for a cash bonanza when it renegotiates the TV rights in 2013.

The thing the NRL is now wondering – and which the AFL should be wary of – is that if league can manage all this when it’s spent most of the year as an alcohol-fuelled, punch-throwing, sexually deviant circus, imagine what it will be like if it gets its act together.

Earlier this year I likened the AFL in western Sydney to the Yanks going into Iraq – a big, powerful, swaggering, cashed-up superpower that’s at risk of waltzing into a war where it is suddenly confronted by a nuggetty local resistance that knows how to fight dirty.

The NRL fired the first major salvo of this battle on Friday night.

Go the Eels.

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    • Wayne says:

      04:25pm | 28/09/09

      There’s an old saying, when Parramatta is doing well, Rugby League is doing well. I’ve no idea why… but you have to admit, these last few months, that saying is proving itself true again.

    • Marc says:

      04:47pm | 28/09/09

      I’m a roosters fan, so I never thought I’d hear myself say this, but those two clubs; parra & bulldogs really deserved that massive crowd on friday night.
      They have champion players on & off the field (hindmarsh & el masri the two stand outs for me) who lead the way as positive, hardworking, likeable athletes of our game.
      I only hope my own club, and others like Manly - can start following suit and turn themselves around. The change in the Bulldogs in particular has been incredible.

    • Alex says:

      05:00pm | 28/09/09

      Doing well? The AFL had double if not more attendance this year. 615 thousand went to the finals season alone.  This is is just jingoistic and “paranoid straw clutching”. It might be hard to crack the Western Sydney deomographic, but given that the average memberships and attendances are only 1/4 of what the AFL achieves, the NRL can only dream of reaching AFL heights.  These responses by NRL die hards are consistent with a supporters of a struggling to find traction. The NRL would never dream of trying to set up a new club in Adelaide or Perth, because they know it would fail. That is close to 2.5 million people that don’t follow the code. Yet te AFL is expanding as the premier code in the country.

    • monty says:

      07:09pm | 28/01/10

      Perth & Adelaide= nearer 3 million.
      The only reason that Melbourne Storm gets any crowds at all are the large numbers of Kiwis, South Africans and Polynesians living there. Foreigners supporting a foreign game.

    • Budz says:

      05:25pm | 28/09/09

      “The thing the NRL is now wondering – and which the AFL should be wary of – is that if league can manage all this when it’s spent most of the year as an alcohol-fuelled, punch-throwing, sexually deviant circus, imagine what it will be like if it gets its act together.”

      Hmmm…...the question is if these controversies actually deminish the popularity of league. To me it seems as if it just adds to the theatre of it all. Who needs a crappy tv dramas when you have the off field behaviour to discuss at the water cooler?

    • Tom says:

      05:30pm | 28/09/09

      Isn’t it a shame that the Finals system is so flawed, it enables teams who lost more games than they actually won throughout the season, to play in the Finals, let alone, the GF.  Then, we have to put up with idiots such as Gus Fool, and Joey “chuck us another pill” Johns trying to tell us the GF is being fought between the two “best” teams.

    • RobertC says:

      05:51pm | 28/09/09

      Tom, what a load of garbage.

      It’s not as if Parramatta had an easy run - they had to beat 1st, 2nd & 3rd rank teams PLUS they needed to win almost all of their late season games just to get into the eight.

      I’m not saying it should be easier, I’m simply saying that it wasn’t a walk in the park for the Eels to get to where they are. Why is it Parramatta’s fault if the Dragons, Titans and Dogs choked? Plus, their scintillating form is great for the game, great for the fans and makes the GF more exciting and unpredictable.

    • Biff says:

      07:42pm | 28/09/09

      Spare a thought for Cameron Smith and Bryce Gibbs. Smith missed the Grand Final because of a chicken wing tackle and Bryce Gibbs was suspended for leading with he knees. The lack of consistency is obvious.

    • Steve Smith says:

      10:27pm | 28/09/09

      Alex, you have a point (somewhere in your pro-AFL rabble).. NRL is managed poorly, because clubs are run by ex-players with no marketing/business knowledge or experience.

      Its taken Parramatta 30 years to get rid of a CEO who drove the club into the ground because his position was safe. That club’s priorities, like many, was pokies pokies pokies. Parramatta has 3,500 ticketed members but can get 4,000 to a 5pm after training session.. and who’s their marketing manager? An ex-captain of the club.

      NRL and NSW clubs don’t have the culture of “if your not a member, then your not a fan”.. this is something they can learn from the AFL. However, the game of Rugby League is so strong it’s withstood poor leadership and off-field incidences.. its not going anywhere and it’ll only get stronger.

    • James says:

      10:39pm | 28/09/09

      Well said Alex.

      This all just seems like a bunch of fair weather fans to me.

    • Gav says:

      12:14am | 29/09/09

      Tom must be a Dragons fan. Just like Thredbo, the dragons melt in September.

      The AFL should be very wary of a move into league heartland. The Swans got a huge leg-up from the super league war and now have a regular fan base of tight shorts lovers who walk to the SCG from Oxford Street, and a few disgruntled Bears fans.
      Other than that, the boring mess that is an AFL game holds little appeal to most people who live in Sydney.
      Message to Dimetriou- Don’t make a fool of yourself.

    • RobertC says:

      02:21am | 29/09/09

      AFL can be fleetingly interesting but it so terribly unstructured and disorganised so as to be a free-for-all jumble.

      Prefer a good NRL match, but NRL can be dead boring too if there is no intensity.

    • Davo from St Kilda says:

      03:01am | 29/09/09

      Rugby crowds have ‘gone through the roof’ to a total of 3 million? Must be a low roof, huh? AFL crowds were 7 million this year and club membership was more than 5 times that of rugby. If the person who wrote this article thinks that this is proof of rugby ‘going gangbusters’ then he needs to take a looooong look at the empty grandstands that we see whenever rugby is broadcast (at 1 am) on TV. Rugby is like soccer - it’s not bad when you see the 30 seconds of highlights on the news, but then you realise that you have to sit through half an hour of mind-numbing boredom to see the few good pieces of play. This is why the AFL is expanding and rugby’s influence is diminishing. For any rugby fans to suggest otherwise is either stupidity or pure ignorance.

    • Max says:

      07:09am | 29/09/09

      Oh Alex a bit paranoid are you? You rave about how 2.5 million have no interest in Rugby league and yet the NRL consistently outrates your insular “sport” on free-to-air and pay-tv. Our sport actually has representative goals for the players like state of origin and tours of England unlike your all australian team which plays…...no-one.

      More people watch the NRL in Melbourne than watch afl in Sydney and Brisbane when the games are shown live, If we get a decent tv deal and it is enforced to show games live in the non heartland areas you are quite justified in your paranoia.

      I laugh at the talk about the off-field dramas of rugby league when the afl has had the same and worse….i guess it’s just their deals with media that keep those off the front pages.

    • jonathan says:

      07:38am | 29/09/09

      These rugby vs afl arguments are about as interesting as Gen X vs Gen Y arguments.
      Everyone is one-eyed and partisan.  They will just argue that “my code” is better than “your code”.

      a hearty “meh” from me.

    • J says:

      07:47am | 29/09/09

      No Davo your stupidity and ignorance is shining right through. The difference isn’t in the sport, it’s in the culture. Melbourne get enormous crowds compared to Sydney for sport: soccer, cricket, basketball, horse racing whatever. Its only natural that as Melbourne’s top sport AFL is the winner in this. On the other hand, Sydney, and by extension rugby league, have never had a culture of “if you’re not at the game, you’re not a true fan”. AFL-types have no idea what Sydney is like. Also to David Penberthy, this regular season broke the all-time record set in 1995 with 3.06 million.

    • iansand says:

      09:07am | 29/09/09

      Let’s look at the pinnacles of competition for various codes:

      AFL - a Grand Final between local teams.
      NRL - State of Origin between provincial teams.
      Rugby (for the Victorians, this is a different game to League/NRL) - Contests between national teams, whether Tri-Nations, Six Nations or World Cup among a limited number of countries.
      Round ball football - National teams again - a World Cup that really involves the whole world.

      There’s a message here, I think.

    • Sam Chowder says:

      09:07am | 29/09/09

      AFL crowds will always be larger as it is a traditional way for Melbourne folk to huddle together for warmth in the winter and there is little else.  League crowds will always be lower as there are plenty of other distractions in NSW and Queensland.

    • Carl Palmer says:

      10:00am | 29/09/09

      Firstly, can I say that the Eels / Dogs game was a really great game of footy and as an AFL supporter thoroughly enjoyed the spectacle. However one swallow doesn’t make a summer.

      If I were an RL supporter statements in this article like “Even the NRL didn’t see it coming” or “the NRL is now turning its mind to the lessons from Friday night’s game and the surge in support for its clubs out west, looking at how it can maximise every opportunity…” are cause for great concern.

      The question people need to ask is – what are the NRL, ARL, QRL paid to do? What is their role in the promotion of the game? What strategies to they have to combat any sport that could threaten their market?

      What happened on Friday night was that two clubs made it happen. The RL administration is the problem and until they get this right, RL will continue to struggle. The responsibility of the RL administration is to grow the game and if their collective bodies didn’t see it coming well they are asleep at the wheel. Yes their attendances are up but they are well behind the other codes.

      Like ANY business, the AFL juggernaut understands that you must grow the game or face the consequences and unfortunately for the RL, the AFL has bucket loads of cash – something that RL does not have.

      Like they did with the Sydney Swans, the AFL will sink millions of dollars to create a presence in the west and they are fully aware that it won’t be easy and it won’t be cheap. It took 20 plus years of investment in the Sydney Swans to get a foot in the Sydney market and if they have the same time horizons for the newly created western team, then the RL administrators better get on their bike and start peddling real quick.

      Oh and BTW, you didn’t mention anything about the other RL final that was played down south.

    • Macon Paine says:

      10:21am | 29/09/09

      I agree with David holeheartedly, just imagine if the NRL could get it’s act together, end (most of) the scandals, stop the hopeless dilly dallying from it’s management (Gallop im looking at you), reign in the out of touch and unaccountable refs and take control of the game and expand it to make a true nationwide sport.
      The AFL knows if that happens they are in real trouble everywhere outside VIC which i think is why they appear to be so determined to undermine the NRL in its own territory with this idiotic western sydney team and that boneheaded gold coast franchise, which will probably get the wooden spoon for about the next decade.
      Anyway here is what i think the NRL should do in no particular order:
      1) Cut the amount of Sydney teams: Souths go to Adelaide, Cronulla go to Perth.
      2) Re in state the Bears on the Central Coast.
      3) Merge the Eels and Panthers into 1 giant western sydney club.
      4) Create 1 administrative body to control the game.
      5) Cut ticket prices, Surely its better to have 20,000-40,000 people at each game rather than having 10,000-20,000.

    • Alex says:

      11:36am | 29/09/09

      Sam…Melbourne certainly has a few distractions that I can think of and yes the AFL forms a large chunk of these. You have probably have never experienced the cauldron like atmosphere at the MCG or Docklands, like the ANZAC day match or the Grand Final with 100,000 spectators cheering on the two teams. As for other little distractions “Melbourne folk huddle together for”,  I can’t decide whether to go to the Australian Tennis GRAND SLAM Open, The FORMULA ONE grand prix,  The MOTO GP Philip Island, sell out home and away AFL games , AFL grand final, the Melbourne Cup Carnival that attracts close to 1/4 of a million people, watch Tiger Woods at the Aust Open this year or go to the Boxing Day test .  With the exception of Tiger woods and the Moto GP, I have experienced the thrill of attending all these events and can tell you that they are great spectacle that take over the city and create a buzz that can only be experienced here in Melbourne. Oh well, I will have to just settle for 50 thousand people indoors at the Docklands stadium for the AC/DC concert.  Even with the AFL in full flight, we Melbourne folk huddle together to go to NRL and soccer matches. It wouldn’t surprise me to find out that we will have the highest average attendances to the A League and the NRL when the new stadium is completed next year. Added to this, our new basketball team (does Sydney have one yet?) and the National Ice Centre where we can develop a winter sports culture, perhaps even an Ice Hockey league…we will just keep creating little distractions for ourselves down here. And please don’t insult us with the weather, beaches and harbour argument. We have just as many nice beaches (and less crowded) as you do, and during the summer period we actually have just as many sunndy days as most of Australia in recent years . Bells Beach still hosts the premier surf event and although we don’t have a harbour or opera house, we can still enjoy boating in Port Philip Bay that is larger, safer and less crowded than Sydney Harbour.  Don’t start me on the arts and food…. Sam, because of these distractions throughout the year, Victoria is currently attracting more visitors than any other state.

    • w ch says:

      12:13pm | 29/09/09

      The AFL knows if that happens they are in real trouble everywhere outside VIC

      Are you for real? So according to you if the NRL gets its act together,  the AFL is in trouble in Western Australia, South Australia, Tasmania and the Northern Territory. Pull the other one mate - it plays Up There Cazaly.

    • barry says:

      12:30pm | 29/09/09

      never argue with a parochial Victorian, its not worth the hassle.  100 years of being second best has left a very large chip on the shoulder

    • Carl Palmer says:

      01:54pm | 29/09/09

      As a Sydneysider, I have to say that Alex is right on the money. I’ve attended a number of AFL GF’s and the whole city is in a buzz.  It is a great occasion for everyone. There is also one thing that Alex omitted. The Melbournians DO know how to consistently run and stage major event. They are very good at it.

      If I go to a sporting event here in Sydney at the Olympic stadium or the SCG with say 30,000 - 40,000 people I have to wait and queue for a beer. Folks in the line complain that they have to wait so long and rightly so. I go the AFL GF with close to 100,000 spectators and after every quarter walk in get my beers, food whatever pay and walk out – no waiting no queues and I’m back in my seat before the next quarter starts. They certainly have their act together in that respect. Hopefully the new syndicate that now control the Olympic Stadium will do a better job because the current lot of caterers in Sydney are hopeless. Maybe they should award the catering contracts to the folks who worked at the various water stations during the Sydney to Surf they were first class.

      We Sydneysiders have a lot to learn.

    • Sam Chowder says:

      02:14pm | 29/09/09

      @Alex - you speak well for Melbourne and the city does try hard to provide activities for Melbournians to make up for shortfalls to the climate that the rest of Australia enjoys.  Regarding the MCG, I never understood the awe that the MCG held.  It is a large ugly structure of mismatched concrete with poor facilities and certainly not an advert for Melbourne cuisine.  I have been there many times but have never experienced any atmosphere or crowd noise that can compare to international stadium crowds such as European Soccer, the many overseas visitors I took to the MCG to experience some AFL were always amazed that such a large crowd could be so quiet but enjoyed the event as one would if an Australian went to see Cheese Rolling.  Melbourne is a great place but AFL is parochial - a suburb of Melbourne plays a suburb of Melbourne - high steaks indeed.

    • iansand says:

      03:14pm | 29/09/09

      People from Sydney do stuff.  People from Melbourne like to watch other people do stuff.  For some reason people from Melbourne think this is a reason to be proud.  They are the Chauncey Gardners of Australia.

    • Peter says:

      03:16pm | 29/09/09

      The AFL coming to western sydney is a mistake. It will only lead to more resentment of AFL as trying to invade our sporting way of life. It will strengthen the NRL. We do not feel threatened, unlike Victorians. Why do Victorians have this great inferiority complex????  Why this need to thrust AFL upon us, as if to prove we’ve been wrong all along? Most people in Sydney don’t like AFL! Get over it! I couldn’t give two hoots that people in Adelaide or Perth aren’t interested in the NRL. We like it here!
      As the bulldogs/parra game showed, the best games are between traditional clubs, overexpansion can backfire!
      Barry - you summed it up.

    • Tim says:

      03:38pm | 29/09/09

      Cheese rolling and high steaks Sam?

      Stop making me hungry

    • Dion says:

      03:43pm | 29/09/09

      Carl Palmer @ 10:00 is right in that RL will continue to have intermittent successes like Friday night’s but until the question of who runs the code is settled the fans won’t commit themselves to it. The product on the field is excellent but it is still not run by an organisation with the game’s interests at heart beyond what they can get from it as a content source for pay television. Until the game is given independent leadership and a chance to secure the money it’s really worth in the next TV rights deal it will continue to fall behind where it should be as the AFL’s primary competition.

    • hitchy says:

      03:46pm | 29/09/09

      Sam, very high ‘steaks’ (sic) indeed….

    • Sam Chowder says:

      04:21pm | 29/09/09

      @hitchy @Tim - ya got me

    • Macon Paine says:

      04:48pm | 29/09/09

      Are you for real? So according to you if the NRL gets its act together,  the AFL is in trouble in Western Australia, South Australia, Tasmania and the Northern Territory. Pull the other one mate - it plays Up There Cazaly.

      Yes i am for real. Look i’ve got nothing against the AFL in fact i dont mind watching it and i respect the game and it’s good seeing the Swans do well,  i think there is room for both codes to co-exist, which is a point of view that judging by your comments you don’t share and that is a real shame. They are both great australian sports but the bottom line is the NRL states aren’t afraid of the AFL (which is perhaps foolish), this is the polar opposite of the AFL states, they are afraid of being in competition with the NRL.
      The AFL can have TAS and NT, they are irrelevant and in any case if they were relevant why hasn’t the AFL put teams in there? By the way when is the AFL going to have a team in the nations capital?  It’s fairly obvious the AFL is dominant in VIC thats never going to change, in WA and SA they are dominant but this by default and due to a lack of real competition, put good NRL teams in both those markets and lets see how well the AFL goes then. In the key markets of NSW and QLD the AFL is an afterthought, sure we dont mind it but no one takes it very seriously and they have no international appeal what so ever, it aint much but at least the NRL has appeal in the UK, NZ and the pacific islands/ Papua New Guinea! These people actually want to play the game. Please dont forget the NRL has a team in NZ and in the coming years will likely be expanding into Papua New Guinea.
      The NRL due to years of management incompetance and division has neglected the SA/WA markets for far to long, they only have themselves to blame and it seems like sometimes the NRL is hoping the AFL is a problem they can just ignore and it will go away.
      I have to agree with just about everything Carl Palmer says, it’s the NRL administration which is failing the game. The AFL knows this and as you’d expect is using every advantage it has and i dont blame them for that, they should do that because if the shoe was on the other foot they know the NRL would walk right over them.
      By the way you can play “Up there Cazaly” (whatever that means) and keep pulling whatever it is your pulling till the cows come home but i’ll take “Simply the best” any day of the week.

    • jon says:

      05:10pm | 29/09/09

      Rugby League is simply the best game earth played by over 70 countries ,and as for AFL victoria? Yes up your cazaly whatever .LMFAO.

    • JC says:

      09:48pm | 29/09/09

      So the Daily Telegrah is the league bible? That must be a misprint.

    • Carl Palmer says:

      09:34am | 30/09/09

      @ Macon Paine says: 04:48pm | 29/09/09
      The reason why the AFL won’t put teams in Tassie & ACT is simple – there is no market growth, their ability to expand the game in those markets is very limited and with the NT – in time – a long time. The Tassie government was pleading to the AFL to put a team i.e. Hawthorn (who BTW play a few home games down there) in Tassie. Not interested and rightly so. The AFL does however acknowledge that there’s a market in these smaller State / Territories and consequently play a number of home and away games in the areas you have highlighted.

      Macon, you’re on the money, if RL - I haven’t worked out who actually runs or controls the game “nationally” (NRL?) had the funds, then they would be doing what the AFL is doing now. Yes it is accepted that the AFL is Australian based and yes the AFL will acknowledge that it is something that needs to be addressed. Having the money in their coffers which continues to roll in, gives them the ability in time to do something about it. The first step is shoring up your backyard

      The growth areas are obvious to all – Gold Coast and Western Sydney and it is NOT about taking on ANY other code, if that was the sole reason then that’s stupid.  At the end of the day, the equation is very simple, you have a product and it’s all about selling that product to the market. If people like it they will be prepared to support and pay for it, if they don’t they won’t.


      As for the comment above re “international stadium crowds such as European Soccer” – dumb and irrelevant, please stick to the subject matter at hand. As for taking overseas visitors (which you seem to imply were Europeans) also dumb, their primary sporting interests are not RL or AFL – try cycling, motor sports, soccer and wait for it Rugby Union and yes I have relatives over there and a coupe of them unfortunately : - ) like the Wallabies.

      Over and out.

    • Phio says:

      11:35am | 30/09/09

      All this counter-punching (I wouldn’t grace it with the term ‘argument’) about AFL vs NRL is silly.  They are both great games to watch and to follow. This article is not about the merits of each code; it’s about whether the AFL has a chance to make an impression in the western part of Sydney, given the passion and the crowd numbers that attended last Friday’s NRL Finals match. 
      Whatever code you follow (I’m a born-to-it Dragons fan but have a soft spot for the Bombers), you have to admit, AFL is gonna have a tough time of it in NRL territory, especially since Canterbury went from wooden spoon ‘08 to finals ‘09 and Parra has made the GF.

    • Alex says:

      07:04pm | 30/09/09

      So what do people in Sydney actually do that we don’t while enjoying our international events that is so unique? Do what exactly???? . Sam Chowder, there is no way you have been to the MCG and claim that the facilities are not that good. They are amazing, especially in the new Olympic Stand. I took my daughter to the MCG sports museum and it is just spectacular.  The bars are clean and the whole place is very family friendly.  The ground has a Colosseum feel, that you don’t get from square stadia.  You have probably never even been to Melbourne with comments like that.  I have always said that the AFL doesn’t spend much money on the half time entertainment and all the the fanfare, because the biggest attraction is the game itself. It is that which draws the crowds. Anyway, I heard that Melbourne may be hosting the NRL Grand FInal in 2013 and the new soccer stadium will actually host the A League Final. All of these events take place within walking distance from each other and within a one kilometre radius of each other. Seriously, there is just too much to do in Melbourne. .. and we will fill the stadia because we obviously don’t have anything to do!!  Go the Storm!!!!

    • Sean Kelly says:

      11:14pm | 30/09/09

      Nobody outside Australia give a shit about the AFL.
      Rugby League is an awesome game played in many countries.

    • Alex says:

      12:44pm | 01/10/09

      Just because a sport is global doesn’t make it a better. In my opinion, the fact that the AFL is not a global game, adds to its amazing appeal. It is the parochial nature that adds to its appeal. In terms of attendance, the AFL has nothing to fear as it enjoys the highest attendance per capita for any codified sporting competition in the world. Anyhow, I heard today that Melbourne is making a bid for the NRL grand final to be played in Melbourne.  It would be a huge boost to the sport.  Imagine being able to take a train into the city, catch dinner in the city and walk to the stadium and watch the game. Melbourne’s sporting precinct is not only the best in Australia, but in the world.  It is a vibrant succesful formula that keeps the city buzzing ALL YEAR ROUND.  .

    • Tim says:

      02:04pm | 01/10/09

      Haha,
      It just shows how much Melbourne people know about Rugby League (what do you mean there are two types of rugby?)
      The chance of the NRL grand final ever being played in Melbourne, is about the same as Kevin Rudd lining up in the Geelong midfield next year.
      and Alex, i’ve been to the MCG many times, although not since the new work has been completed, and the facilities are not that special.

    • Carl Palmer says:

      02:45pm | 01/10/09

      Alex no it doesn’t - but - sometime ago I listened with interest on what the well respected and highly successful Ron Barassi had to say on the subject. He said that the AFL had to expand and that this was the biggest threat to its existence. The first step was to have a presence throughout Australia and to then move offshore. The first phase is definitely WIP and continues. The AFL is currently in NZ, pacific Islands eg Fiji, PNG, Japan and there are more. Although it is a small sport in those countries it’s a start. As an aside, there are 21 PNG players currently playing in Australia on scholarship.

      As you probably know they have the Aust Football International Cup whose teams include Sweden, Sth Africa, PNG etc. The AFL also made it as a demonstration sport at the Arafuna Games – the perfect event for the game to market itself and for these countries to compete against each other.

      If you are interested go to

      http://www.afl.com.au/Portals/0/afl_docs/Development/International_Cup/IC08-book_final.pdf
      and
      http://www.arafuragames.nt.gov.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=70&Itemid=5

      This time definitely over and out

    • Alex says:

      04:46pm | 02/10/09

      Tim, the new work on the MCG was completed nearly four years ago. So it makes me wonder how you can comment that you have been to the G and it is not that special. The argument about the AFL not being global is futile because it is the main code of this country and always will be.  Despite predictions of doom by those in other codes the attendances were huge this year and are at least a couple of million in front of all the other codes combined. If you had an AFL final series that featured eight Victorian teams, the AFL would probably have more than a million in the four weeks of finals. Not bad for a city with a population under 4 million.  Even though the competition may be national, Melbourne attendances are a cash cow that no code in Australia can compete against. It is just too lucrative and that is why it can afford the luxury of going into West Sydney without fear as well as the Gold Coast. In time the crowds in West Sydney will feauture just as high as any “blockbuster NRL games”. Watch this space.

    • Luke says:

      12:51am | 05/10/09

      Basically Victorians have an inferiority complex when it comes to sport, mostly because AFL is a game played only in ONE country and support marginalised to only half of that ONE country. It appears the only way they are going to be able to deal with this is if NSW and QLD start playing and supporting their sport - AFL.

      Luckily this will never happen. No-one I know cares about AFL in the slightest, and they are happily enjoying Rugby League. The stigma attached to AFL in QLD/NSW is overwhelming, with all sorts of innuendo and a general negativity about the game. Give up Victoria, its never gonna happen. By all means play and enjoy your game but please stop trying to slam your peculiar game down our throats, and let us enjoy ours in peace. Thankyou.

    • Alex says:

      01:29pm | 05/10/09

      Luke we don’t have an inferiority complex…we just love our sport and AFL is probably our biggest passion.  But that doesn’t mean we don’t love your sport as well. I actually predict that the NRL is actually going to have the nation’s largest attendances for its code in Melbourne next year at the new rectangular stadium,  a kick away from the MCG without affecting AFL attendances.  Rather than feel threatened, I think most Victorians would be happy to see more sport on a larger scale in the city. Sporting events are in our DNA. The same can be said about the A League as well.  Don’t worry about the AFL, it will continue to grow and break records… Besides, if anyone has a complex here, it would probably be the person who says things like “please stop trying to slam your peculiar game down our throats.”  I mean really, are you feeling that threatened? Talk about negativity. Come on!!

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