They say there’s no such thing as a silly question - but sometimes it can be silly to answer one.

President Barack Obama's birth certificate from Hawaii. Pic: AP

US President Barack Obama has finally put to rest to the allegations he wasn’t born in the United States (and would therefore be ineligible to be president) by releasing his long form birth certificate.

The conspiracy theories of the “birthers” have been dogging the political campaign for what seems like forever. Led by tycoon-turned-candidate Donald Trump they had finally reached a level where the president felt he had to respond.

That he did is a very bad thing for him. He calculates it was better than the issue carrying on, which could be right, but this is a bad outcome as well.

Obama did everything right in his speech; he branded the campaign by the lifers “silly” and a “sideshow” which distracted from the serious business of fixing a country which is in need of some serious fixing.

“We’ve got better stuff to do. I’ve got better stuff to do,” he said.

It was a good speech but him being there at all was a win for the Tea Party and a win for man who has now claimed credit.

Trump backed Obama into a corner by appealing to the more xenophobic parts of American society. Someone who has come from overseas and taken one of our jobs! The biggest job in fact.

Oh, the horror.

But Obama may have miscalculated in answering.

There is a reason people say “I’m not going to dignify that with a response”.

Obama can say it’s a sideshow. What the American people have seen is that when Trump called – Obama answered.

Obama can say it’s cheap, and Trump is being called a gimmick candidate, but who gets to make demands of a president and have them fulfilled? Who gets to sidetrack the country and then sidetrack its leader so much so he responds with a press conference?

An equal.

Or someone who is closer now to being an equal than he once was.

Here’s the point. Obama’s actions have elevated Trump.

Obama just gave Trump a little power in the public’s eyes. And lost a little of his own in the process.

Back home Australian campaign chiefs are aware debates can be damaging for a Prime Minister. The leader of the Opposition is able to engage the PM on issues; they are elevated to a status where what they say is legitimised. The public sees them, sometimes for the first time, as being prime ministerial.

In the last election it is widely acknowledged Tony Abbott came off second best in his televised leader’s debate with PM Julia Gillard.

But the next morning a Newspoll showed the Coalition had cut Labor’s lead in the polls from 10 to 4 points – a lot of the public saw him as more legitimate.

This is what Obama has done and Trump has left no room for doubt in the public’s mind that he was responsible.

“I’ve accomplished something that nobody else has been able to accomplish,” he said.

“I want to look at it, but I hope it’s true … We have to see is it real, is it proper.”

In his language he expressed approval. Who gets to approve of the president? Who would have the nerve to say: “Well done, thank you, I will get back to you and let you know if it’s good enough, but well done.”

You can say it’s silly. But the last time Trump said something “silly” the president himself answered.

Perhaps Trump will step aside and a more legitimate Republican candidate will emerge. But the public will remember that when called, their president answered.

Times are uncertain, people are still scared. People are still losing their jobs. They want power, certainty and someone who will make them believe everything is going to be okay.

Obama was once the change American people could believe in. I think people still want to believe in him. But he can’t just give them change anymore. He has to give them some reassurance and some certainty. Show he is powerful.

He must be the leader they want him to be - the sort that doesn’t stoop to answering “silly” questions.

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    • Erick says:

      05:57am | 02/05/11

      What’s really silly is that Obama kept this certificate hidden for three years, spending over $900,000 in legal fees to avoid having to show it. That’s what did the damage - the perception that he was hiding something. Trump just brought the issue into the mainstream.

      Obama still won’t release his academic records, or much of anything else. This secretiveness is not a good sign. As Obama’s incompetence becomes so obvious that even the fawning media can’t hide it, so public susppicions about his background will increase.

    • Faz says:

      07:07am | 02/05/11

      I guess it’s a judgment call, Erick. Does he allow nutters to set a conspiracy agenda which people like you are only too happy to play along with or does he try to resist the wackos?

      His problem is that ‘birthers’ will now question the legitimacy of the document and not be satisfied because for them, no amount of proof will do. Others, like you,  fuel the fire because you just don’t like Obama.

      For birthers, the notion that the whole state aparatus has (presumably long before he was a politician) conspired to fake Obama’s birth is plausible and any ‘document’ just proves how far that goes. Documentation about his academic record would be a doddle.

      It’s comforting to know that Australian conspiracy theorists don’t have such a wealthy sponsor or as many adherants. We are much more concerned with substantial stuff like how big her backside is or the colour of her hair.

    • John A Neve says:

      07:08am | 02/05/11

      Erick,
      I know next to nothing about the American electoral system. But do you really believe that a person can get to the position of President over there without his/her background being checked?

      Once again this is just a case of political grandstanding by those of the opposing forces. Plus it fills the newstands and excites the masses.

    • davo says:

      07:59am | 02/05/11

      Faz says:
      “it’s comforting to know that Australian conspiracy theorists don’t have such a wealthy sponsor or as many adherents”

      You better let the mining, tobacco & pokie industries know then.

    • Erick says:

      08:01am | 02/05/11

      Faz: The real question is why Obama tries so hard to suppress this information in the first place. Is he doing it to encourage conspiracy theorists, or is he just too arrogant to answer questions?

      John A Neve: “do you really believe that a person can get to the position of President over there without his/her background being checked?”

      Well, it’s obvious that Obama could do it without even presenting proof of birth, or his detailed educational records, or a number of other things that we would normally take for granted.

    • Faz says:

      08:34am | 02/05/11

      @ Erick

      “The real question is why Obama tries so hard to suppress this information in the first place. Is he doing it to encourage conspiracy theorists, or is he just too arrogant to answer questions?”

      I guess there’s a kind of progress there. You carefully avoid the answer being because he WASN"T born in the US. Is that what you believe, Erick? That’s the REAL question.

    • Tubesteak says:

      09:04am | 02/05/11

      Erick
      The point is he is allowing the agenda to be driven by conspiracy theory nuts. You should never cave in to those sort of people. Answer the questions posed by respectable people who can come up with intelligent questions but ignore the idiots.

      It’s the old thing about you should never argue with an idiot because they just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

      Now the nuts will say the document was faked. So Obama will have to try and prove that it wasn’t. Whatever proof he comes up with will also be refuted and so forth. All this energy just to bother with nutcases is a waste.

      Defending his right to not make it public is perfectly acceptable, too. There are some things that should remain private. You don’t want to know the colour of his poo, do you, or when he popped his cherry?

      Now that Trump has derailed things it is up to Obama to keep things chugging along. It is now a smear on Trump’s name, too. The other week I thought Trump might have a chance but now Obama can say he’s just another nut with no serious political talent. Maybe a win for Obama.

    • Erick says:

      09:10am | 02/05/11

      No, Faz, I don’t believe that Obama was born outside the US. Why would you make such a silly assumption?

      The real question is why Obama went to such lengths to suppress his birth certificate in the first place - a question you have avoided answering. My own theory is that his narcissistic personality leads him to believe that he is above having to answer questions. What’s yours?

    • The Redman says:

      09:15am | 02/05/11

      Erick, this is something like I was going to say, but slightly different, admittedly.

      Why did Obama keep the certificate hidden? He didn’t. In the primaries, Obama released an extract of his birth certificate. In the US, some states, including Hawaii, will not issue a full birth certificate at all, that document being kept for purely state statistical purposes only. Obama had to get special permission from the Hawaiian Attorney Gerenal to get hold of the document. There was no secret here, and it is only the lunatic fringe of the right that has perpetuated this BS.

      If Obama, as suggested by the author, responded by saying “I will not dignify that with and answer” this is exactly what you right wingers would have been screaming “...he’s hiding something!! He’s hiding something!”.

      Because conservatives have a pathological hatred of anything left of centre, or even centre itself, Obama had no choice but to shut you lot up with the facts. Then, of course, the right does not have the class to apologise for making what amounts to accusations of treason against Obama, they resort to the absurd and rather pathetic strategy of claiming some sort of victory by being completely wrong.

      To what purpose would Obama release his academic records? What business is it of yours what marks he got at Uni? In fact, what business is it of anyones? What does it prove? Plenty of people have done poorly at school and yet succeeded spectacularly, and plenty have excelled at school and had rather mediocre careers. If proves precisely nothing. We’ve seen his graduation photo’s, or are you saying that 30 odd years ago, Obama staged this event to bolster his claims when he runs for President? Utter nonsense.

      The US has the same problem as we do here. Conservatives refuse to accept election loss, and do anything and say anything to attack left wing governments (not that I consider the Democrats to be left wing by any stretch of the imagination, but not so right wing as the Republicans). This, admittedly, is successful but it’s hardly honest. Both the Democrats and the ALP, and the British conservatives I admit, have been left to pick up the pieces of the disasterous capitalist ideology persued by conservative politics.  This has always been the case. Wheras, for example, Howard was handed an economy that had already reached it’s lowest ebb, and by the end of Keating, interest rates and inflation where already falling. This time, however, the recession hit within months of conservative governments losing power. This country’s government has done a brilliant job in ensuring that Australia is virtually alone in the western world in not experiencing catastrophic economic collapse, high unemployment, nil investment and major, long term damage to our society.

      Really, if you seriously consider Donald Trump to be world leader material, you have some significant problems. Outside Trump publicising already disproved rubbish have you heard some of the things he has said? Or like this nutcase, do you welcome the advent of World War III?

    • John says:

      09:23am | 02/05/11

      Erik the question is would you provide your birth certificate to someone like Trump. It is more of a privacy issue then anything else. You know the whole idea of freedom of rights. Even before Obama would of gone 4 president he would of had to provide it.

      Ask Trump to provide his and ill bet he would back out straight away.

      Funny enough Trump has been bankrupt three times.

      Anyway I dont like Obama for other reasons but if its him orTrump,Obama should win.

    • John A Neve says:

      09:29am | 02/05/11

      Erick,
      You claim “it is obvious that Obama could do it without even producing proof of birth”.
      Just how is it “obvious” Erick?
      I’d suggest that those involved with the presidential process would have all that information, as well as past allegiances, state of health etc. Based on media reports Presidents are checked on a yearly basis for many things.
      Because these things are not made public, and why should they be?
      Does not mean they have not been done.

      Sorry, Erick, but you have lost me on this one.

    • Mijow says:

      09:40am | 02/05/11

      Actually, Obama released the short form of his birth certificate a couple of years ago. Why only the short form? Well, that’s because the State of Hawaii usually only releases that form. It’s good enough as proof of birth for Hawaiians to obtain a passport. Obama wasn’t hiding anything at all. This is a non-issue, and always has been.

    • john says:

      09:55am | 02/05/11

      @ Erik you state ” As Obama’s incompetence becomes so obvious”.

      Disagree, on the international stage, he is winding down afghanistan and starting to pull out his troops in july, he has pulled out from Iraq, he hand balled lybia’s conflict to nato to share the military burden of international conflicts. His health reforms bring lower classes into the fold, quantitative easing has stoked the ‘street’ in the face of global sluggishness and conflicts disasters etc to a 3 year high. He needs to do alot more on the economic front, in area of reform he is currently underway to make changes . All in all he has done well after the mess bush left behind. The only criticism that can be thrown at him is that he needs to do more.

    • JT says:

      10:00am | 02/05/11

      ‘‘The point is he is allowing the agenda to be driven by conspiracy theory nuts.’‘

      No, he created the agenda and allowed it to run for three years. I mean honestly, these are some of the most basic facts of a person, birth certificate, academic record, why the secrecy about them?

      As a person who thinks conspiracy nutters should be classified as such and locked in a padded cell I truly do not understand his motivation here.
      This was an issue ‘‘birthed’’ by him by his 3 years of secrecy and obfuscation and would now be forgotten by all except those crazy few if he had simply gave everyone a copy of his birth certificate from day one. Now as Simon correctly points out, he has answered the idiotic cries of Trump and given new ammunition to the nutters who will now pore over his birth certificate for errors assuming the 3 year delay in releasing it shows he has something to hide.

      Simply put, Obama has legitimised the conspiracy and that will hurt him.

    • Tim says:

      10:15am | 02/05/11

      Erick,
      why don’t you release the evidence that you’re not a purple space monkey?
      Why are you holding back?
      What are you hiding?
      Ignoring this issue only makes you look more guilty.

    • Faz says:

      10:18am | 02/05/11

      @ Erick

      “No, Faz, I don’t believe that Obama was born outside the US. Why would you make such a silly assumption?”

      Because your ‘real’ question would have little or no importance if you genuinely believed he was born in the US.

      “The real question is why Obama went to such lengths to suppress his birth certificate in the first place - a question you have avoided answering.”

      Because it’s not a REAL question. It’s a nothing question. It only has importance if you believe the conspiracy.

      “My own theory is that his narcissistic personality leads him to believe that he is above having to answer questions. What’s yours?”

      About him or about you?

    • D says:

      10:20am | 02/05/11

      There is no secretiveness.  As The Redman explains, the birth certificate information has been provided before.  It just isn’t enough for the “birthers”.  Nothing ever will be.  I want to know why the college records are required.  Have other Presidents been faced with the same demands?  Did George W Bush have to jumpt through these hoops?  Bill Clinton?  Regan?

      I have a friend in the USA, he’s sent me links to stories that came out the same day the full certificate was released.  People now claiming that certificate still doesn’t count because ti says ‘Certificate of Live Birth” not “Birth Certificate”.  People saying it was never about his birth certificate, the issue is his father is born in Kenya.  That now it’s his college records that deem him unfit to be President.

      The people who reject a black man in the White House will never be satisfied.  If he ignores the fools, he’s called secretive and must have something to hide.  If he provides the facts, he’s legitimising the questions.

    • Rover of North Cooma says:

      10:44am | 02/05/11

      Erick, I’ve been looking on the birthers website and can’t find anything to justify your claim that Obama has spent more than $900,000 on legal fees to avoid having to show his birth certificate.
      Where does this figure come from?

    • Erick says:

      10:48am | 02/05/11

      @Faz - You’re trying to change the topic. The question is not whether Obama was born in the US - we already know he was. The question is why he had to be forced to release basic information that others routinely hand over to get a driver’s license or open a bank account.

      And Obama was forced. It was only after a survey showing that only 38% of Americans believed Obama was definitely born in the US that he finally ponied up. Why allow the issue to become so big before he did the reasonable thing?

      Perhaps he wanted it to distract his opponents from other, more damaging issues such as his relationships with Bill Ayers and Jeremiah Wright?

      @Redman - why do lefties make so many silly assumptions? I would no more consider Donald Trump to be serious world leader material than I would consider Obama to be such. Which is to say, not at all.

    • Erick says:

      10:59am | 02/05/11

      @Rover of North Cooma - Since 2008 there have been several court cases launched by birthers attempting to force Obama to release his original birth certificate. One of these reached the Supreme Court before being dismissed. The number refers to the Obama campaign’s legal fees in defending these cases. Unfortunately I have no direct reference for the $900 figure - that’s just what I remember from the time. However, the figure would definitely be in that order of magnitude, as lawyers are very expensive.

    • Kika says:

      11:12am | 02/05/11

      Oh Erick… it’s confidential information. If you’re so happy about publicly displaying your birth certificate why don’t you upload and post it to the punch so we can check to see who YOU really are. Please?

    • Kevin says:

      11:12am | 02/05/11

      He seems too intelligent to be a real american.

    • John says:

      11:13am | 02/05/11

      Erick show me where you came up with that $900,000 figure. Show me proof of the court cases Obama was fighting to “suppress” it, He released the legal document that proved he was born in Hawaii and just because the lunatic fringe think that its not enough does not mean anyone needs to cave into the fools.

    • Mahhrat says:

      11:45am | 02/05/11

      @Erick, because it’s none of our damn business, is why.

      There are systems and methods in place to ensure that the US President is legit.  In the US, they vote for people to ensure those things are run correctly, much as they are here. 

      But more importantly, it’s just none of our damn business.  I don’t knwo US Law, but here we have the Privacy Act.  In my own public service job, I have access to incredibly sensitive information on all sorts of personal information, but I’m not even allowed to LOOK at it, much less reproduce it, unless I have both the authority and a valid work reason for doing so.

      The mistake Obama made was responding at all.  Anything available publically should be made publically available, but if that doesn’t include birth or academic records, you can all go whistle dixie.

      If I don’t tell you my personal information, that’s because you’re being a rude conspiracy nut, not because I’m hiding anything.

    • fml says:

      12:20pm | 02/05/11

      @Erick

      “And Obama was forced. It was only after a survey showing that only 38% of Americans believed Obama was definitely born in the US that he finally ponied up. Why allow the issue to become so big before he did the reasonable thing?”

      He was busy being the president of the united states of america, i suspect he had more important things on his plate, like you know, economics, finance, health and terrorism and the like.

    • John A Neve says:

      12:25pm | 02/05/11

      Erick,
      Goodbye, you were fun while you lasted.

    • Tim says:

      12:39pm | 02/05/11

      Erick,
      why have you gone silent on the Purple Space Monkey issue?
      Where is the evidence?
      Have your Purple Space Monkey overlords ordered your silence?
      We demand answers dammit!

    • Economist says:

      12:39pm | 02/05/11

      @Faz, give up. Ericks even ignored the evidence provided that Obama did provide a short version of his BC.

      I’m loathed to write this, because it reflects poorly on me and elevates the opinions of Erick, but given Nicole G’s and SSR comments to Badger below, why not engage in attacks of the lowest common denominator.

      @Faz, Erick is the Rebecca Black of intellectual discourse on the Punch. He gets his own Ode and reply piece and there’s no point in rallying against it as it adds to his infamy. But it’s simple. Take his opinions with a grain of salt as if you were to apply the standard ltimus test of whether his views would be acceptable to the general public, the answer is the brightest of reds on blue litmus.

      With rants on woman that put Abbott, and now Karl Stefanovic, to shame, and views that generally represent the far right, espousing them publicly would result in a severe rebuttal. But on the Punch he has his gaggle of like minded followers. Individuals who views would perfectly fit into to the 38% of surveyed US citizens who don’t believe Obama.

    • Jay Santos says:

      01:14pm | 02/05/11

      According to the Tampa Bay Tribune in 2009:

      “...the United States Justice Foundation has released information showing that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds with 11 law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his personal records…”

      http://www2.hernandotoday.com/content/2009/jul/21/who-really-barack-obama/

      Barack Obama is a one-term president a la Georgia Jimmy.

      Huge deficit…Check
      Expanding welfare…Check
      High unemployment…Check
      Collapsing housing market…Check

      How’s that hopey changey thing comin’ along for the good ole USA then?

      Next.

    • Chris L says:

      02:26pm | 02/05/11

      Jay, that link leads to an opinion piece and is laugh-out-loud funny!

      The paranoia is overwhelming, along with hysterical accusations like “acorn and other corrupt organisations” - (obviously if they are not right wing they must be corrupt),
      “his appointees and czars” - (get that terror of the commie menace going!),
      “he accomplished little or nothing” - (which is it? Was any research done at all?)
      “working for some dangerous people who are giving Obama the means to completely ruin this once great country.” - (yes, that was his dastradly plan all along! And he would have gotten away with it if it weren’t for those meddling kids!)

      Then a call to remember that people ridiculed Bush (maybe because he was ridiculous) followed by a strange criticism about Obama using a teleprompter (at least he can read one!).

      All this concluded with a call to every reader to contact their representatives and encourage these lawsuits before 2010 because “by then, we probably won’t have a country” (prophesy fail!)

      An entertaining read, but a little dissasociated from reality. I recommend everyone check out that link and have a good belly laugh!

    • fml says:

      02:30pm | 02/05/11

      @Jay Santos,

      “Huge deficit…Check
      Expanding welfare…Check
      High unemployment…Check
      Collapsing housing market…Check”

      how many of these things were inherited from the previous government or were a result of the previous government?

    • Simon Black says:

      02:37pm | 02/05/11

      Hi guys.
      Eric - I agree, the question and the notion his certificate would have been forged decades in advance as part of some bizzare conspiracy is laughable. I think the question and the issue is distasteful and does everyone a disservice.

      Tubesteak - That’s more or less exactly what I was getting at. Obama said it himself “I have better things to do, we have better things to do”. I applaud that. Was just a shame he said those words at a press conference that focused on an issue so far beneath him.

      I hope the issue is dead now.

    • Rover of North Cooma says:

      02:42pm | 02/05/11

      Jay Santos - the United States Justice Foundation is a single person outfit, run by a conservative Christian called Kreep. Not a huge amount of credibility.

    • Jay Santos says:

      04:52pm | 02/05/11

      Rover,

      Are the numbers wrong?

      The Federal Election Commission are the source.

      Do they lack credibility?

    • deb says:

      06:49am | 02/05/11

      Donald who? should get a hair cut and grow up.More important issues than attacking a mans birth place.Like standing room only under most bridges in the land of the free.Worked over there ten years ago as a truckie and used to feed hungry folk in truck stops,normal people,lost homes and had nowhere to go
      .Xmas was the worst.
      We would eat up our big fryup and turn around and see couples huddled in the truckies lounge ,hungry ,waiting for a ride to nowhere in the middle of winter.Only cost us a few carryouts and we would drive off and try to forget those poor buggars.Trump,blow it mate!

    • Faybian says:

      07:37am | 02/05/11

      @deb, but isn’t free, unfettered capitalism and a free market what would save all our problems??? Look at what it’s done for the Americans. I’m sure Donald ‘hair” trump, a rich capitalist would be great for them!!!

    • Chris says:

      07:30am | 02/05/11

      I think you need to give Obama more credit. He’d love to have Trump as the Republican candidate next year. Guaranteed win for Obama. Division for the Republicans. You also may wish to look up what happened at the Washington Correspondents dinner where Obama publicly ridiculed Trump (who was there). I’m no fan of Obama, but as a politician he has it all over Trump.

      But then, Trumps probably only in it for the publicity

    • KH says:

      10:54am | 02/05/11

      Don’t be so sure of that.  I’ll remind you that they voted for George W Bush - possibly the stupidest man on the planet.  And lets not even mention Reagan, or Bush Snr….......FFS Sarah Palin is considered a political threat.  This is a country that can throw up the best and the worst in just about every field of endeavour.

    • Jay Santos says:

      01:23pm | 02/05/11

      “...And lets not even mention Reagan…”

      I doubt you were even alive when he was in the White House.

      Reagan was the most popular President in US history.  Do some reading “FFS”.

    • Simon Black says:

      02:43pm | 02/05/11

      Hi Chris, you make a good point. Correspondent’s dinner hadn’t happened when I wrote the piece and I agree he looked like a fool. I’m still not sure if devoting all that time and attention to Trump is the right thing to do. He was being laughed at sure, but it was the US President telling the jokes. They have a “thing” now and what has he done politically to deserve that attention? Only a very low political trick. I think he copped a huge serve but I’m still not sure if engaging with him is the right thing.

      And KH makes a great point. Don’t underestimate Trump. He could get up. Bush happened. Anything can happen.

    • Glen says:

      07:42am | 02/05/11

      Trump made a socialist get all smug, wordy and condescending - he has already won.

    • John A Neve says:

      12:20pm | 02/05/11

      Glen,
      Are you suggesting Trump has enticed Obama to the ark side?

    • persephone says:

      07:47am | 02/05/11

      Loved some of the jokes made about Trump on this -

      Obama: Now he’s free to concentrate on more serious issues, such as whether the moonlanding actually happened….

      Comedian: I was surprised to hear that Trump was running as a Republican. I thought he was doing it as a joke.

    • Gratuitous Adviser says:

      07:53am | 02/05/11

      This comment is another twig in the campaign tree by the Murdoch press to dumb-down the politics of nations that it influences.  Face it, if it was not for the Fox Network in the USA this (Obama Birth Certificate) Issue would not have risen from the depths of the mire of contemporary journalism that the Murdoch press resides.

    • CJ Morgan says:

      09:00am | 02/05/11

      Quite so, GA.  The old idea of not dignifying arrant bullshit with a response has lost its effectiveness since the advent of the Internet.  These days all you have to do is publish a factoid on the MSM and it goes viral on the web.  There has always been a sector of the populace that is both ignorant and credulous, but these days their opinions are artificially elevated by repetition.

      Hence the ‘birthers’, ‘truthers’, ‘Tea Parties’ and - dare I say it - AGW deniers.  The MSM and Murdoch in particular are largely responsible for giving them undeserved oxygen, and I’m afraid that The Punch is sometimes every bit as responsible as are the more traditional tabloid rags.

    • Erick says:

      09:13am | 02/05/11

      So, GA, your own conspiracy theory is that it’s all a conspiracy by Rupert Murdoch? How amusing.

    • Gratuitous Adviser says:

      09:53am | 02/05/11

      Hi Erick.  You must agree that Rupert Murdoch is very influential in the lifestyle of the Americans, the Brits and us, and you and I both did not elect him.

      On this issue, no doubt.  Please watch that spiteful and dishonest interview with Fox’s, O’Reilly, a few weeks ago.  The man should not have received headline time from a responsible, and hope to be respected, press. 

      Trump is a “freak show”, and should not be considered as a potential leader of the most important country in the World.  What’s next in the US, Terry Jones?

      My compliments to “Punch”.  I was not confident that this bit of “advise” would get a start this morning.

    • Chris L says:

      10:13am | 02/05/11

      Have you watched any Fox News Erick? It’s like play school for old misers.

    • Erick says:

      10:52am | 02/05/11

      Murdoch is no more influential than a bunch of other media figures, and despite left-wing conspiracy theories, he doesn’t control everything that News Corp outlets say.

      As for Fox News, lefties hate it because it’s the only network in the US that provides an alternative to the left-wing bias of all the other channels. That’s why it’s the most trusted TV news channel in America.

    • Chris L says:

      11:45am | 02/05/11

      On one hand you denounce “left-wing conspiracy theories” then in the next paragraph you warn of “left-wing bias of all the other channels”.

      Is there truly a conspiracy of news channels to encourage the left or could it simply be they’re not quite “right” enough for you?

      After all, with such praise for Fox News you’re either firmly entrenched on the extreme right or your having a laugh at their viewers. This is the “fair & balanced” news group that incited the murder of Dr Tiller, that propagated the ridiculous birther allegations and continues to advocate torture (but only by Americans).

    • John says:

      01:09pm | 02/05/11

      Erick ?? Murdoch Trusted? What are you on? His not a leftist? . They propagandized the Iraq war, seemed to have gone with media black out on the terrorist assault on Libya via NATO, UK and the US. FOX is all part of the core problem of the US, MEDIA, BANKERS and POLITICIANS. FOX is always going with the fine line. I also heard Glen Beck was also fired from FOX, getting way to the deep with the triangle of criminality, MEDIA, BANKS and POLITICIANS. FOX has done so much war propaganda for Afghanistan, Iraq and lybia. They also keep the al-qaeda, insurgent and Taliban lying propaganda. They also covered up 9/11 and don’t want to find who was really behind it.

    • Simon Black says:

      02:51pm | 02/05/11

      Hi Gratuitous. I agree with you that the whole question dumbed down politics. I disagree my comment dumbed it down further. I was hoping to look at it from a different angle. In politics all actions have consequences and motives. I think now Obama has conceded on this point (he did concede, he said he wouldn’t release it, then did) he opens himself up to more of this garbage.

      Case in point requests for his school transcripts. It audacious, but now there is a pattern. And now some people (not many I hope) will consider that a legitimate issue. Someone in Obama’s camp (if not Obama himself) must have thought what I was thinking because he came out on the weekend in an effort to make Trump look ridiculous and drive home to the public what a joke he is. That’s not an accident. Obama is busy, he’s calculated and has a team advising him - like any big politician.

      And I can assure you Murdoch has no idea who I am and I wrote this off my own bat and sent it to the guys at the Punch without any encouragement.

    • Macon Paine says:

      10:47am | 02/05/11

      “And the Washington Times is hardly a hot-bed of conspiracy theorists.”

      Well done, I LOL’D.

    • iansand says:

      11:40am | 02/05/11

      Washington Times.  Washington Post.

      One is a newspaper.

    • Greg says:

      01:15am | 03/05/11

      Standard rebuttal technique from the leftists - attack the messenger, ignore the message.

      I suppose that there is nothing else that they can do.

    • rajend naidu says:

      08:04am | 02/05/11

      It’s a common mistake to equate big money making with being smart. This is amply demonstrated by Donald Trump. He exposed his stupidity by claiming that Obama’s release of his birthcertificate was his huge accomplishment.  what nonsense! To get an idea ready Sandy Banks article ” Memo to Donald Trump: You’re fired” in the Los Angeles Times 29/4.

    • Simon Black says:

      02:58pm | 02/05/11

      Hey Rajend. Thanks for the link to the article. Funny read. She makes the point I did that the whole thing diminished Obama’s dignity.

      I think it’s a mistake to write Trump off as a buffoon. He is viciously smart man. There is absolutely no doubt as to that. And he is nowhere near as spontaneous and “off the cuff” as his persona suggests. He’s top of his field, same as Obama is top of his.

      I am going to be very interested to see what issues he brings to the president now he seems to have earned the right to be answered. This academic records stuff is a little silly. More of that and I would expect him to stand aside as a candidate rather than run. If he starts bringing serious economic issues as well I think he might actually be gearing up for a tilt.

    • L. says:

      08:21am | 02/05/11

      “Someone who has come from overseas and taken one of our jobs! The biggest job in fact….‘Oh, the horror.”

      Well yes, it would be a horror. It would be a breach of the US constitution, thus making everything Obama has signed off on illegal. The ramifications would be enormous.

    • Chris L says:

      10:17am | 02/05/11

      The first ramification would be the knowledge that there are no checks and balances in the American presidential system. That would mean that Gaddafi could becomes president!

      Seriously though, I suspect the birth certificate would have been just one of many things to have been checked before Obama could run for office.

    • L. says:

      10:45am | 02/05/11

      Oh, I agree.. no question.

      My point was simply that the author of the article was trying to trivialise the magnitude of what it would mean with his “Oh, the horror” remark.

      It would result in a constitutional crisis in a country which, like it or not, is a bedrock of world politicial stability and freedom.

    • nossy says:

      08:21am | 02/05/11

      Trumps a buffoon of the highest order and its sad that the Conservatives in the US ( like here to) can only seem to field 2nd raters. Commonsense would tell you that Obama long long ago would have had to produce his Birth Certificate - in doing so as a result of Trump’s amatuerish behavouir he made Trump look even more stupid than he is !

    • Davo of Thornside says:

      08:51am | 02/05/11

      ” Obama kept this certificate hidden for three years, spending over $900,000 in legal fees to avoid having to show it. “
      And a few bucks to the Photoshop people to “fix” it.  Plenty of links out there to expert analysis of the document.
      Can a person get to the top in American Politics without being checked out? Ask the Kennedy’s. Ask Mary Jo Copechene.  Ask Bill Clinton re Whitewater,I am sure they are checked out, and conveniently given the tick.

    • Ryan says:

      11:21am | 02/05/11

      I wonder if the paper and ink will be carbon dated?

    • TChong says:

      09:00am | 02/05/11

      Guess it shows , ,that despite the money, some people like Trump and Orly Taitz are really trailer trash.
      Donald and a few of his good ol boys and gals, just dont like seeing a nonwhite get too uppitty.
      They seem to think that there is a limit on just what , and now, a non caucasian is allowed to achieve.
      And they dont like it.

    • Jay Santos says:

      01:29pm | 02/05/11

      “... just dont like seeing a nonwhite get too uppitty…”

      “...They seem to think that there is a limit on just what , and now, a non caucasian is allowed to achieve…”

      Any proof to your lie about Trump’s racist tendencies or are you just talking your usual fact free shit?

    • Chris L says:

      02:45pm | 02/05/11

      What other reason can you imagine for this demand of Obama’s BC Jay? Are the people on the opposing side so stupid as to believe he could get into office without one? (I guess that doesn’t sound so far fetched, they did elect Bush twice and plan to follow up with Palin).

    • Greg says:

      01:11am | 03/05/11

      Chris L, how about they have asked for Obama’s birth certificate because the constitution requires proof and Obama has not provided it?

      Unlike his opponent John McCain, who tabled his proof on the floor of the US Senate before the election, after those racist, anti-white far left conspiracy theorists questioned his birth in Panama.

      Obviously McCain was getting too uppity, and they didn’t like it.

      But if anybody dares to treat Obama in the same way as a white man, then that’s racism. Obama is more equal than whites, and deserves affirmative action and exemption from any pesky questions.

    • Chris L says:

      08:37am | 03/05/11

      So, Greg…. I see you do believe he could attain the highest office in the US without having to prove his identity and nationality.

    • Greg says:

      09:55pm | 03/05/11

      Chris L, I don’t have to believe it. It has happened. Obama is the proof.

    • HappyCynic says:

      09:00am | 02/05/11

      Ah American politics, consistently proving how f**king insane it is and how easily US citizens are placated by pointless debates on matters that have no bearing on how their country is run.

      The US is still fragile in an economic sense, unemployment is still high, costs are spiralling, government programs are falling to pieces while the vultures circle overhead and tornadoes are tearing apart the Midwest but the most important news out of the US is Obama releasing his longform certificate at the request of a billionaire hair piece with some human attached to it?  Pathetic, and all who latch on to this news instead of the real news are batsh*t insane.

    • L. says:

      10:28am | 02/05/11

      “Ah American politics, consistently proving how f**king insane it is and how easily US citizens are placated by pointless debates on matters that have no bearing on how their country is run.”

      You mean like Keating raising the “chnage the flag” question every time things were not going well for him..?

    • Markus says:

      11:57am | 02/05/11

      Or how about the current government and the republic, the military ‘crackdown’, or their all time favourite, gay marriage…

    • HappyCynic says:

      12:18pm | 02/05/11

      Ah but guys we still have much to learn from the Americans when it comes to the inane and pointless theatrics of modern politics.

      All your points are good, but by US standards, amateurish.  Keating would be seen as a boring, dry, policy driven hack compared to the more “serious” US politicians.

    • Economist says:

      12:44pm | 02/05/11

      Yep, but there are important things to report like Royal weddings.

    • Greg says:

      01:02am | 03/05/11

      If Obama is proven to be ineligible for office, then that will most definately have a bearing on how their country is run.

      Joe Biden would then become President, and things would probably get even worse.

      I suspect that Obama chose Biden as VP for that very reason.

    • John says:

      09:03am | 02/05/11

      Obama was or still a Muslim, His mother was a radical Communist. He is even is suspected of being a homosexual. He also was not born in the US, as this birth certificate sage shows. The US is a international disgrace, the mainstream media all helped him rise to power with their propaganda. The bankers love him as he has to bend over for them, the guy is merely a puppet like bush. He also knee’s to warmongers as he orders the carpet bombing and slaughter of trillions of Muslims in the middleast. It’s no obama that is the problem, it’s the US. Its corrupted and has been hijacked by crooks and criminals who loot the country dry, use it’s military for their interests and has a media that just lies through their teeth.

    • marley says:

      12:21pm | 02/05/11

      Wow.  Haven’t seen so many conspiracy theories touted in so little space before.  It must be a record!  But you forgot the moon landing.

    • Macca says:

      09:33am | 02/05/11

      “Here’s the point. Obama’s actions have elevated Trump”

      Isn’t that the point. Rather than a seasoned politician, or someone representing the traditional conservative base, Obama has decided to take on a business man with no political experience, who represented the Far Right conspiracies theorists. Seems like a no-brainer to me.

    • Markus says:

      12:00pm | 02/05/11

      Yep, at this point the only better Republican opponent he could have hoped for would be Bill O’Reilly or Glenn Beck.
      Even Stephen Colbert would have presented a bigger threat than Trump…

    • Greg says:

      12:56am | 03/05/11

      Far right conspiracy theories?

      Oh, you mean like the one that was used against the last Democratic US President, the one that claimed that he had a sexual affair with an intern? That woman. Monica Lewinsky.

      That was true, wasn’t it? Even though the President denied it under oath?

    • Unprotected Species says:

      09:56am | 02/05/11

      The whole thing is a smokescreen. While everyone focuses on this mindless back and forth, the Bilderberg Group works on creating the NWO.

    • Kika says:

      11:08am | 02/05/11

      Well maybe we need a NWO because we haven’t done much with the OWO. I for one welcome our shape shifting overlords, and wish them every success and endeavour.

    • Unprotected Species says:

      11:24am | 02/05/11

      I see you’ve been chipped already, Kika.

    • The Badger says:

      10:01am | 02/05/11

      And here they come, conspiracy merchants out to bolster their pet projects.
      Not surprised this article flushed them out of the woodwork.
      Which one of the five outlined below are you?

      1. Apocalyptic Doomsayers
      2. Failed Historians
      3. The Mentally Unbalanced
      4. The Midlife Crisis Case
      5. Fakers

      http://tinyurl.com/5vfdyoy

    • L. says:

      10:36am | 02/05/11

      “1. Apocalyptic Doomsayers
      2. Failed Historians
      3. The Mentally Unbalanced
      4. The Midlife Crisis Case
      5. Fakers…”

      If this was a ‘Jeopardy” question it the answer would be:

      “Who are lonely people, with too much time on their hands and a broadband internet connection..??”

      grin

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      10:56am | 02/05/11

      You forgot your own category.

      6. Pseudo-intellectual wankers

    • NicoleG says:

      11:06am | 02/05/11

      And we know which one you are Badger…..

    • Syl says:

      01:35pm | 02/05/11

      NicoleG

      Just one??

    • The Badger says:

      02:41pm | 02/05/11

      Why lookee here what I caught in my conspiracy net.
      A sad collection of conservative sycophants and deniers.
      Notice how they lash out at the truth of their condition and carry on denying.
      I think this lot fits into all 5 categories, but this is to be expected those on the lunatic fringe.

    • James Darby says:

      10:18am | 02/05/11

      Barak Hussien M Obama has no defense for anything that he says of does other than he is a socialist who would reather defend Islam than the values of the USA.

    • Malleeringneck says:

      11:31am | 02/05/11

      In defending Islam the way he does he only shows his early childhood religious teachings in Indonesia.
      He converted for political purposes.

    • HappyCynic says:

      12:35pm | 02/05/11

      There’s no religious test to enter politics in the US (thanks to the constitution) so his religion is irrelevant.

      The only reason why the last few Presidents have gone out of their way to show the Bible Belt how hardcore Christian they are is because, apart from old people, no other demographic in the US votes in any great proportion.

      When Obama won the election, about 63% of the eligible population voted for either candidate and that was up from about 57% in the election prior.  There are approximately 200 million people in the US eligible to vote, Obama won with just 69.5 million of them, McCain had just 60 million.

      Neither are representative of the majority of Americans.  Technically no candidate stands for the values of the USA unless more than half of the eligible voting population votes for them.

    • Muttley says:

      12:46pm | 02/05/11

      what makes him a socialist? Providing affordable health care? Socialist is a word, like bogan, highjacked by the uninformed.

    • fml says:

      02:51pm | 02/05/11

      @ James,

      Obama found Osama, hows that for upholding the values of the USA??

    • chris says:

      11:12am | 02/05/11

      I don’t agree with the article.
      Obama has not elevated Trump at all… as far as I can see he has belittled him, especially with his comments over the weekend re ‘the moon shot’.
      Trump had to sit in that room surrounded by the elite of the media and political class… and the whole room was laughing at him.
      Yes, there is a truism that around ignoring issues put up by opponents so as not to ‘elevate them’ to your level… but there is also a lot of truth in the idea that you should kick people hard when they are down - and there is no doubt Trump was down when he was sprouting on about the ‘birther’ stuff.
      This kind of caution recommended by simon is part of the spin problem… ‘just manage/massage issues - don’t go for the killer punch’ we would all be a lot better if politicians were a bit more aggressive in just killing ideas rather than ‘managing’ them and thereby keeping them alive.
      For example, Hockey’s press conference when - at the end - he said in frustration that he hates the fact his kids are being left an inheritance built by these idiots… it is not something a media advisor would recommend, but it was a very strong line, it made him look like a very genuinely motivated sincere politician who says it like it is. It is interesting that I have not seen any outrage about him openly calling our Treasurer and Government ‘idiots’ - everyone seems to be just nodding.
      In summary… we need to see less ‘management’ and more ‘stomping’. All these distracting, trivial issues need to be just killed off and treated with the contempt they deserve.

    • Simon Black says:

      03:05pm | 02/05/11

      Hi Chris. Thanks for your comments. Obama’s comments on the weekend certainly put a different complexion on things. But I’m still not sure if they accomplished what Obama would have hoped. If anything they show that he also thought he needed to diminish “the Donald” in the public’s eyes and make him appear foolish.

      I’m not advocating avoiding issues and “massaging” things. But I know exactly what you’re talking about. My point was more that he should avoid non-issues.

    • Greg says:

      12:48am | 03/05/11

      Be honest Simon. You want journalists to have the power to decide what is “a genuine issue” and what are just silly “non-issues”, don’t you?

      Because journalists believe themselves to be morally superior to the rest of us lesser mortals.

      And of course it would only be a coincidence that the resulting journalistic decisions just happened to favour one side of politics most of the time.

      Do you really think that people are so stupid not to see through such tranparent spin? At this rate, you will soon be claiming the the ABC is unbiased!

      You’re living in the past, and you need to confront modern reality. Journalists have lost their ability to control the flow of information and to force feed public opinion. We live in the internet age now. Do try to keep up with the times.

    • Kika says:

      11:20am | 02/05/11

      I love conspiracy theories. LOVE THEM. Even if they are rubbish, I love how we like to try to rationalise things to put our own chimp brains at ease even though we have no factual basis for any of it. Here’s my favourite:-
      1) Harold Holt was abducted by a Chinese submarine
      2) The Moon Landing was created in a Hollywood studio to appease the Americans that Russia did not have the upper hand on them
      3) Shapeshifters run the world. That’s my favourite. And Denver airport is the airbase for them because WHY on earth would they have such a gigantic airport for such a tiny city?

      I really wish their were shapeshifters. I want to meet one. If you are one please introduce yourself to me and share with me your shape shifting secrets. I’d love to morph into being a lizard and then back to being a human again.

    • Steve says:

      12:53pm | 02/05/11

      What about the conspiricy theory that Princess Dianna was killed by MI6 at the behest of prince Charles. At least that one seems to have died a natural death lately. Anyway what is the latest on who killed JFK?

    • Shape-Shifting Political Assasin says:

      03:07pm | 02/05/11

      I killed JFK.

    • iansand says:

      11:41am | 02/05/11

      Trump’s function is to make Palin look like a legitimate candidate.  He won’t run.

    • Richard says:

      11:54am | 02/05/11

      Obama clowned on Trump and made him look so silly that no sensible person in America would vote for him.

      The thing that pisses me off about Donald Trump is that he is just intent on trashing anyone who stands in his way. The conspiracy campaign he waged against Obama brought this petulant tactic to new heights, but it started at CPAC when he publicly trashed Libertarian hero Ron Paul.

      Ron Paul is the only man who can save America from imploding at this point in time. I have nothing against Obama, I think he’s intelligent, witty, suave and well-spoken. Yet he has proved to be an abject failure of a president, making all the same mistakes that George Bush did: perpetuating overseas wars, racking up huge deficits, allowing massive bubbles to get blown up by federal reserve policy, etc. etc.

      The only politician with the express stated purpose of reversing these policies is Ron Paul, and when Donald Trump trashed him at CPAC this year, he made it clear that he doesn’t care about America or the health of its economy and society, he only cares about himself and furthering his own cause célèbre Trump.

    • John says:

      12:40pm | 02/05/11

      I agree, Also the Europe needs to get the Far-right Nationalists in power.The West needs a revolution against the 100 year old Leftist Marxist International Order. Put a stop to Marxist Multiculturalism in Europe. Recall all the European troops from Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya. Tell them to stop serving the Marxist Internationalists. Sarkozy, Cameron, Angela Merkel need to go. Nationalists must replace them all. IMF, WORLD BANK and FED International Marxist banks to be abolished ASAP. Lying Marxist International News organizations shut down. International LAW and Human Rights organizations up for review to make sure they are not fronts for Marxist Internationalism.

    • Economist says:

      12:42pm | 02/05/11

      Well said Richard. But I suspect if Ron Paul was successful the barriers he’d face would result in a number of backflips on his proposed policies.

    • John says:

      01:23pm | 02/05/11

      Ron Paul, can not take on media and bankers and others parties. They are all part of the gang that occupy the west. If your not with them, your going to get character assassinated and demonized via their media fronts and not even given a voice. This is why the Christians and the Nationalists in Europe are attacked, oppressed via this gang. We Europeans are oppressed by Bolshevism 2.0, so are the Americans.

    • stephen says:

      12:00pm | 02/05/11

      Someone famous once said..‘Don Trump’s from New York, but his hair is from New Jersey.’
      They’re still trying to find his brain.

    • Greg says:

      12:35am | 03/05/11

      If “somebody famous” said something similar about Obama, then somebody stupid would accuse them of racism.

    • marley says:

      12:25pm | 02/05/11

      Well, the obvious thing to do now is have Obama challenge Trump to hand over his personal financial records, because there are plenty of people who think Trump is actually a bankrupt.  And it’s not like he can claim privacy, after all.

    • Greg says:

      12:33am | 03/05/11

      Trump is under no obligation to handover any information to Obama.

      First of all, Trump has not declared his candidacy for Presidential election, so he doesn’t have to release any personal information.

      Secondly, even if Trump does run for President, the US constitution does not make any mention of personal financial status as a prerequisite for candidacy.

    • John says:

      12:29pm | 02/05/11

      Why doesn’t obama investigate 9/11? We all know it was blown up with termite explosives. 3000 Americans intentional murdered to generate hate and support for an invasion and occupation of the middleast. Let me guess? If they was express the truth to 300 million Americans. America would have very powerful revolution and a few High Treason court case’s. The political, media, military and banking landscape in america would change over night and a few hundred thousand people fleeing the US to escape the wrath of the Americans. Americans troops would all be recalled back to the US from Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan.

    • Muttley says:

      12:49pm | 02/05/11

      oh my lord, who left the door of the home unlocked. Take you meds and have a good lie down…..

    • John says:

      01:13pm | 02/05/11

      So your saying fire brought down WTC 1,2 and 7?
      Now who needs to take the meds? I know for sure any University Physics professor will fail you with a thesis that stated that WTC 1,2 and 7 were brought down via fire from jet fuel.

    • marley says:

      01:36pm | 02/05/11

      @John - well, you may know that for sure, but you’d be wrong.

    • Rover of North Cooma says:

      12:39pm | 02/05/11

      Termite explosives - GOLD.
      I hate to white-ant your argument, but surely every good conspiracy theorist knows it’s thermite explosives.

    • John says:

      01:42pm | 02/05/11

      Well, If the media and the US government stated it was special termite’s that ate steel and concrete brought down the buildings, they would most likely believe it. I think the way they brought it down, was packing in explosive steel cutters every five levels on the 16 core columns, the outpart maybe thermite was used to melt the steel to avoid suspicion of explosives. I think 20 levels were rigged with explosives. Not a feat Al-Qaeda could do.

    • Rover of North Cooma says:

      12:49pm | 02/05/11

      Can’t wait to see the conspiracy theorists working themselves up into a lather about the timing of the Osama bin Laden news.

    • Jaz says:

      01:03pm | 02/05/11

      “Pseudo-intellectual wankers”  is spot on.  It’s very easy to dismiss conspiracy theories isnt it , try looking at all the facts and deciding for yourself. Do you really think what goes on in the world day to day isnt carefully planned and manipulated by any number of interested parties and the elite. There has to be other answers apart from the bullshit we are fed day to day.

      I believe Its pretty obvious it matters very little who is the president of the US,  they have one Government with 2 factions , Democrat and Republican. The country is an absolute disaster area in terms of its economy and domestic issues. Looking at all sorts of American news media online you can see that the country has been so massively polarised , alot of the time over irrelivant issues or hugely sensationalised coverage of a certain issue ,  the average American has no idea whats going on. When you read the posts from Americans in forums like this one you’ll see ; the few that are well informed are screaming out for a “please explain” but feel as helpless as the majority of dimwitted Americans.  This ridiculous accusation of Obama not being an American is just another example of the attempt to further separate public opinion and give the general public something else to discuss instead of the countries impending economic colapse

    • Livvy says:

      04:12pm | 02/05/11

      What a weak piece. It’s sort of plausible, but not very, and in fact you could probably make just as strong an argument that Obama’s decision to release the long-form birth certificate was so that he could set up the main joke of his 18-minute riff at the White House Correspondents’ Dinner.

      Which, incidentally, has had the effect of making Donald Trump look very, very silly.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9mzJhvC-8E

    • Simon Black says:

      04:44pm | 02/05/11

      Hi Livvy, thanks for the comment. I would try to engage with your points but I couldn’t actually find any. If you want to elaborate on why it’s sort of plausible but not very, or make that strong argument about the Correspondents’ Dinner I would really like to hear it. Especially if I have gotten it wrong. That dinner happened when I wrote the piece but I still think it shows he felt he needed to “put Trump in his place” so to speak.

      That is a bloody funny video though.

    • the whisperer says:

      06:39pm | 02/05/11

      Erick… If you were fair dinkum, (and we all know you’re not), you would admit that Trump got where he is by causing millions of his countrymen misery. He has no right to see the birth certificate of anyone without lawful reason. Just like I have no right to see your birth certificate. And if you withheld any private documents from me, or anyone who no legal right to demand sighting them for three years, isn’t that your right? And Obama’s. Incidentally. Perhaps you are a little cranky that a man like Obama, (you know what I mean), is of more importance than the “Wizard of Bankruptcy”.
      I’ve read quite a few of your rants and it seems a shame that you feel the need to denigrate our Nation’s leader with such venom. And don’t feed us “the National interest” BS. I wonder how you would fare with her face to face? I think you and Trump would make a good pair. Both ignorant, both arrogant and both full of crap.

    • Greg says:

      12:26am | 03/05/11

      Every American has a lawful reason to see their President’s birth certificate. It is a legal prerequisite for Presidential office, and codified in the US constitution.

      Any right to privacy is lost when a candidate decides to run for public office.

      Your ignorance and stupidity is astonishing.

    • the liberal loafer says:

      07:25pm | 02/05/11

      You’re fired Donald Trump.
      Obama Bien Laden is dead!

    • Greg says:

      12:18am | 03/05/11

      Donald Trump is not the reason why Obama held his press conference. Trump has only repeated other people’s claims. The real reason was the pending release of the Jerome Corsi book, which lists a series of eligibility issues, beyond the place of birth issue. This issue is far from being over.

      In any case, Obama has still not released his birth certificate, he has only released a facsimile copy, that has raised even more questions given that it appears to have been doctored:

      http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=293421

      Such a facsimile is unlikely to be accepted as proof given that US states are soon to pass laws which require all presidential candidates to prove their eligibility before being accepted on the ballot. If Obama wants a second term, or even to finish his first, he will need to provide some real proof that is accepted in a court of law.

      I also wonder why the above posters never criticised the far left conspiracy theories that questioned John McCain’s eligibility for President. He was born in Panama, and had to prove that he was born on a US Army base within the Panama Canal region, which was then US territory.

      McCain was a white American presidential candidate who had to prove his eligibility. Obama still hasn’t proven anything. What were those racism accusations again?

      And the demand for Obama’s education history is nothing new either.

      Was it racist of the New Yorker to reveal in 1999 that George W. Bush got a score of 1206 on his Scholastic Aptitude Test (566 verbal, 640 math) or that Al Gore got a 1355? Was it racist of the Boston Globe to report that John Kerry was a D student as a freshman, who eventually rose up to a C and B student at Yale?

      Obama is clearly covering up something that he doesn’t want the public to know. It might be his place of birth, his dual citizenship, or even that he applied for a foreign student scholarship in college.

      Eligibility for office is not just some technicality to be applied to some candidates and not others. It should apply to all.

      Not that we are any better with selective application of the law in Australia. Just ask Heather Hill.

    • the whisperer says:

      09:51am | 03/05/11

      Greg.. Why do you and pretend intellectuals always try to shoot down anyone who criticises your ignorants, but you never produce any evidence. I am unaware that Tom, the unemployed petty thief from Alabama could demand to see Reagan’s birth certificate. Please indicate your source. You blokes can’t handle the color thing, can you. I wonder if you would say the same if an ordinary American demanded to see the personal details of Bush the warmonger? Either one. No? Enough said.

    • Greg says:

      09:52pm | 03/05/11

      Que? Maybe you should count to ten, breathe deeply, and try again. Who knows, you might eventually be able to write a coherent sentence.

    • bigmuzz says:

      12:46pm | 03/05/11

      so while Trump’s been sorting out the all important “birther” situation, all Obama’s been doing is tracking down & killing Osama! #priorities raspberry

 

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