Wildlife harvesting advocate Professor Mike Archer AM has been geeing up the anti-vegetarian ork armies with an article putting the boot in for ‘hypocrisy’ over mice. The pesky little critters erupt into sizable plagues in grain growing areas every few years and Archer thereby accused vegetarians of having the “worst possible” diet in terms of suffering and sustainability.

What not to do when it comes to a sustainable diet

During the robust online debate following his article, Archer produced the following visionary statement on Australia’s food production future:

“In fact (sorry to sound insensitive), but we should not be consuming Australia unsustainably as we are now to feed 50 million people overseas in addition to the rapidly expanding Australian population. It’s a great short-term strategy to make more money and feel we done [sic] our bit to feed the starving millions overseas, but it makes us contributors to the exacerbating global problem of overpopulation rather than part of the solution. If we could just manage Australia sustainably, that would be the beginning of a rational approach to land-use and set a good example for the rest of the world.”

So there you have it. In Archer’s moral universe, feeding the hungry is contributing to overpopulation while farmers poisoning mice makes some grain consumers the “worst” contributors to suffering and unsustainability.

Archer’s vision doesn’t just “sound insensitive”, it is. (NB: Archer clarifies that he believes other countries “may have to buy (food) from somewhere else where food production doesn’t cause so much destruction of that land’s capacity”).

In his defence, part of the reason for his conclusion is his false premise.

The charge that Australian agricultural output cannot be sustained is fashionable - but that’s not the same as being true. In his article, Archer repeats the oft-heard mantra that “most of Australia’s arable land is already in use”.

Did he check? A 2009 report from the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research lists various estimates of arable land in Australia. We currently crop about 23 million hectares. How much do they reckon we have?

Over 50 million hectares of good arable land, and 100-130 million hectares of reasonable stuff. This is from two independent research teams, one of whom checked productivity against multiple climate models to 2100 to see the likely impacts of climate change.

I’d suggest that sustainable until 2100 makes any suggestion of pulling up the drawbridge and looking after number one totally unconscionable. Keep in mind that regardless of research estimates, we know we have about 22 million hectares of pretty good arable land that is being used for managed pastures.

It’s easy to list Australia’s agricultural problems; there are always many issues that affect somebody somewhere. But it’s quite different to systematically quantify the problems, their production impacts, mitigation potential and make a prediction that the wheels are about to fall off.

Climate change could play havoc with the best of plans, but under either 450 or even 550 ppm CO2, the Garnaut Review found no evidence of catastrophic collapse. However, Garnaut’s worst-case findings were indeed horrific and would see Australia begging for food from elsewhere (and hoping like hell that the Mike Archers of the world weren’t influencing policy in countries which were still producing food).

Similarly, when it comes to population, is Archer so limited in imagination that he can’t think of better ways to combat overpopulation than stopping sending food?

Population growth is being targetted in many countries with effective measures by dedicated workers. The global average number of children per woman during her lifetime has been falling for some time and is now down to 2.55, not far off the break-even point of 2.33.

While it is easy to find successes and failures, the steady global decline in this statistic from nearly five in the 1960s to 2.55 now is why United Nations demographers expect about 10 billion people by the year 2100 instead of the 26 billion we’d have without such measures.

A recent paper in Nature showed we could increase our planet’s food production by about 50 per cent by not using food as feed. In keeping with those findings, we should begin by phasing out all of our animal industries where food is used as feed and where land that can produce food has been diverted to feed production.

Such a policy is similar calls to prevent biofuel production from diverting food to fuel. The global implementation of a no-food-as-feed policy would let us produce enough food for 10 billion people by 2100.

This policy would also lower methane and other non-carbon dioxide climate gases and allow for significant reforestation - both of which are essential - alongside energy infrastructure reforms, to give us a fighting chance of avoiding catastrophic climate change.

These views may sound radical in redneck Australia, but they are similar what is being advocated by well acknowledged experts elsewhere.

The Zero Carbon Britain 2030 report, for example, is calling for a 90 per cent reduction in the British beef herd and 80 per cent in the dairy herd. A 2009 study showed huge savings in carbon emissions, cropland use, total land use and financial costs associated with varying levels of reductions in animal product use, ranging from no-red-meat, through no-meat down to no-animal-products.

But didn’t Archer’s article claim that feeding a vegetarian Australia would require vast amounts of extra crop land? Well yes, it did. But he was wrong.

His evidence was a link to a Meat and Livestock Australia website which said something similar but provided no evidence at all. That is, Archer supported his unproven assertion with another unproven assertion.

Consider protein from red meat. Red meat production in Australia totals about 2.9 million tonnes of carcase annually.

Can Archer really expect anybody to believe there is a less efficient way of producing protein than using 27 million cattle and 70 million sheep grazing 420 million hectares of “natural” land together with a substantial fraction of Australia’s 22 million hectares of managed pasture and also consuming over 4 million tonnes of grain in feedlots?

A cattle carcase is about 13.9 per cent edible protein and a tonne of wheat is 10.3 per cent edible protein. So you can replace Australia’s entire red meat protein production with wheat grown on the land you save from not feeding 4 million tonnes of grain to cattle in feedlots. Easy. And we can reforest huge areas which the sheep and cattle industries cleared over the past 200 years.

But what about those poor mice and those horrid vegetarian hypocrites? Aren’t I merely diverting attention from a real and substantive issue which Archer has had the good sense to raise?

Happily everybody can rest easy. Yes, there are mice plagues and they cause significant problems to people as well as the mice themselves. But in his desperation to support his claim that more mice die in this fashion than cattle die producing meat, Archer overestimated the mouse death toll by a factor of 400.

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    • Tim says:

      08:03am | 11/01/12

      So you admit that millions of mice suffer and die to give you the grain to feed your smug attitude?

      Glad we’ve sorted that out.

    • Old Cobber says:

      11:05am | 11/01/12

      Why don’t we round up those mice and eat ‘em?

    • libertarian vegetarian says:

      11:52am | 11/01/12

      Most of the grain is fed to chickens, sheep, cows etc, so by eating meat you kill the mouse, then the chicken, whereas vegetarians just kill the mouse. There is no escaping the reality that a meat eating diet causes much more death than a non meat eating one.

    • Tim says:

      11:57am | 11/01/12

      LV,
      where did I say that it didn’t?
      As an omnivore I’m obviously OK with animals dying to feed me.
      How about you?

    • Semi Concerned Citizen says:

      12:09pm | 11/01/12

      LV,
      Death happens to be a side effect of life. I’m more than happy to eat something so i get some nutrition rather than another predator or even the ground.

    • Seth Brundle says:

      02:55pm | 11/01/12

      II alwas find it amusing that vegetarians are more than happy to kill plant life.  I guess that only “cute and cuddly” life forms have value.

    • Little Joe says:

      08:24am | 13/01/12

      And New Yorkers can eat rats!!

    • MarkS says:

      08:10am | 11/01/12

      Soooo
      Archer is a fool, granted
      More food can be produced per acre with grain then livestock, granted
      And?
      Way too long to say so damn little

    • Markus says:

      09:48am | 11/01/12

      The point that is often not acknowledged is that the acres used to farm livestock are very often not suitable to produce crops, especially in this country.

      Think of the hundreds of thousands of acres out in central Australia. It is fine for allowing livestock to graze across the sparsely spread rough grass, but there is no way in hell you could grow grain or any other crop out there.

    • Geoff Russell says:

      06:55pm | 11/01/12

      So Markus, can you please explain why livestock in most years uses the lions share of irrigation water? As far as I know, WA is the only state to
      keep accurate stats on the break down of rangeland cattle and other cattle.


      http://www.gdc.wa.gov.au/uploads/files/Information_on_pastoral_businesses_in_the_Rangelands.pdf

      You will see that the rangelands (which can’t be cropped) have half the WA cattle, but only produce 12% of the meat. Almost all of the rest is produced on land that is cropable.  Livestock most years use the biggest share of all irrigation water.

    • Mahhrat says:

      08:21am | 11/01/12

      TL:DR Man!!

      But yes, you are diverting, because as a meat eater I accept that mice, rats, bugs and other animals die so that I can eat. 

      It doesn’t matter whether it’s a factor of 400 or not:  Unless you grow, harvest and prepare all your own food, and can thus ensure you are not killing animals as part of it, his point stands.

      That’s a truth.  Enjoy it.  The choice of sauce is yours.

      This is all a shame of course, because I don’t disagree with your central idea, that we should be concerned less with meat farming in this modern era.  Why we aren’t all eating kangaroo in this country baffles me.  Bred to the conditions, extremely health, cheap to farm and butcher.  Tasty too!

      Had me some skippy just last weekend.  They make awesome kebabs.

    • Wayne Kerr says:

      11:32am | 11/01/12

      Agree about Skippy.  I love it.  Unfortunately Mrs Kerr doesn’t like it so it limits the amount of times I eat it.

      What baffles me is how lamb is so damn expensive.  In a land such as ours I would have thought that lamb and beef would be cheap as chips.

    • Belinda Carlisle Fan says:

      12:00pm | 11/01/12

      His point was in fact not that all diets involve some loss of animal life but that vegetarians are in fact worse than meat eaters in this respect.  He is wrong and you apparently cannot comprehend basic english.  Enjoy that.

    • Dieter Moeckel says:

      12:09pm | 11/01/12

      Point taken!
      White man went to Africa and decimated perfectly good sources of protein to introduce european cattle; White man went to America almost eradicated perfectly good protein in bison to introduce european cattle; white man came to Australia and tried to exterminate the macropods and introduced european cattle - what the ...
      Now we fuck the country by gaming rivers and decimate native fish ...
      I can cope with killing animals for protein what I cannot abide is the farming and slaughter of animals for skins, leather and other non-protein products. I guess I’m a semi greenie!
      Oh Wayne, lamb is expensive because it is no longer grown for wool with the carcase as a by-product.

    • marley says:

      01:01pm | 11/01/12

      @Dieter Moeckel - point of order here.  White man went to America and almost eradicated perfectly good protein in bison to introduce wheat.  Rather a large part of the Canadian and American prairies is dedicated to grain, not cattle.

    • Mahhrat says:

      02:43pm | 11/01/12

      @Belinda:  Did you not see the TL:DR Part?

      I’ve only got so much time to invest, and he asked for too much.

      Tell you what, I’ll leave you with what Maddox has to say on the topic:

      “For every animal you don’t eat, I’m going to eat three”.

    • Belinda Carlisle Fan says:

      05:20pm | 11/01/12

      Too little time to read but enough to comment repeatedly?  Sure, makes sense.

      Maybe you should comment less and read more.  Like most people on this site.  I do’t know who Maddox is but he/she sounds like an attention seeking w@nker.

    • marley says:

      06:10am | 12/01/12

      @BelindaCarlisle /fab - no, his point was that intensive cropping of the kind undertaken in Australia today is environmentally destructive, degrades the soil, destroys native habitat and leads to the extinction of native species.  Poisoning mice was just an attempt to point out that the vegan side isn’t as morally pure as it would like to believe it is.  But the real issue is the unsustainability of current farming practices.

    • Mahhrat says:

      08:21am | 11/01/12

      TL:DR Man!!

      But yes, you are diverting, because as a meat eater I accept that mice, rats, bugs and other animals die so that I can eat. 

      It doesn’t matter whether it’s a factor of 400 or not:  Unless you grow, harvest and prepare all your own food, and can thus ensure you are not killing animals as part of it, his point stands.

      That’s a truth.  Enjoy it.  The choice of sauce is yours.

      This is all a shame of course, because I don’t disagree with your central idea, that we should be concerned less with meat farming in this modern era.  Why we aren’t all eating kangaroo in this country baffles me.  Bred to the conditions, extremely health, cheap to farm and butcher.  Tasty too!

      Had me some skippy just last weekend.  They make awesome kebabs.

    • Tom says:

      08:21am | 11/01/12

      You are scrapping the bottom of the barrel today ...  you and your cause were like sooo 2011 ... can the Punch please get with it - didn’t you get the memo - in 2012 it will be all the rage for the constantly angry greenie to be saving the vegetable from the attack of the killer vegans ... man you are soo behind the times whinging about mainstream Australians diets.

    • nihonin says:

      09:09am | 11/01/12

      Tremble the little vegetables in the ground, the rise of the Vegan is dawning.

    • Ben Heard says:

      09:10am | 11/01/12

      My BS alarm went off at full volume when I read Archer’s article at The Conversation, but I was not the expert who could say why.

      Little did I know…

      Thanks Geoff. That’s a knockout.

      As to the first few comments above, talk about wilfully not getting the point.

      No one I know is out there presuming zero harm from their dietary choices. The smart and conscientious people I know are looking to minimise that harm and maximise the chances of feeding a planet of 10 billion people while leaving space for a few other living creatures.

      His point does not stand. His point was and is garbage. If you think it is evident to all that Archer is a fool, check out the comments over at The Conversation .

    • Tim says:

      10:01am | 11/01/12

      “No one I know is out there presuming zero harm from their dietary choices. The smart and conscientious people I know are looking to minimise that harm and maximise the chances of feeding a planet of 10 billion people while leaving space for a few other living creatures.”

      BS.
      Most vegetarians (that do it for ethical reasons) say that they make their dietary choices so animals aren’t harmed to feed them. The vegans are usually even more militant in their thoughts. Their stance is clearly wrong.

      The rest of us omnivores accept that animals need to be killed to feed our chosen diet. The only difference is the level.

      I personally think that we eat too much meat but I’m not going to tell others what they should or should not eat like a large proportion of vegetarians do.

      And whilst you may think large population growth is inevitable, I would prefer that we limit the population to a more sustainable level.
      But unfortunately telling starving people overseas to stop having multiple children each seems to be a taboo subject.

    • Shane* says:

      11:16am | 11/01/12

      Bravo Tim,

      Archer’s point is valid. The holier-than-thou vegetarian set are in denial. Their dietary choices actually harm more “sentinent beings” (See: Animals) than mine do. Since a large number of vegetarians cite “harm to animals” as the reason they choose vegetarianism, they are either ignorant or willfully ignorant of the fact that millions more mice die than cows.

      Either that or they’re ranking the worth of different species, which is massively hypocritical.

      If Ben Heard or Geoff Russell are vegetarian purely for sustainability reasons, fine… put that argument forward and we can see the merit of it. But don’t attempt to deny the truth that your diet, while sustainable, actually kills more animals than my moderate-meat-intake diet does.

    • Ben Heard says:

      11:35am | 11/01/12

      Tim, I am pretty sure I speak for myself, and I know the people I know, so calling my comment BS seems a little weird.

      But, applying the basic logic, the vegetarian and vegan diet does minimise harm to animals. It does not eliminate it, agriculture has unavoidable impacts. But it minimises it. That’s why I am vegetarian. I too accept that harm must occur. I too have a basic dislike of some of the posturing of vegetarians and vegans. Unfortunately, they are on the right side of the data.

      Population growth, of some level, is inevitable from here. Whether you accept that or not is a different story. But there is a maximum in sight due to the implementation of what we know to be the effective solutions, and that is great news. They take time though, and growth will continue through this period. There is nothing “taboo” about “telling starving people overseas to stop having multiple children”. You just have to be prepared to have people quite rightly tell you that you are dramatically oversimplifying a complex issue and throwing in a healthy dose of first world arrogance in to boot. Economic development, education, modernisation, urbanisation all lead to lower fertility. You can turbo charge it with additional focus on feminist issues, empowerment of women and girls.

      Or, you can slag off poor people.

      What you can’t do is halt population growth on the spot.

    • Ben Heard says:

      12:06pm | 11/01/12

      Shane, for Archer’s point to be valid he would need to have got at least on piece of data in his entire article correct. From what I have seen, he didn’t, and his mouse number would appear to have been out by a factor of 400. FYI, here is the remark I left on Facebook linking the article:
      “I am not a vegetarian because I can’t cope with the idea of killing animals for food. I am a vegetarian because I keep failing to construct an argument that shows meat as a sustainable way to feed myself. Completely hopeless articles like the one critiqued here only make my conundrum worse…”

      Making the sustainability argument for not eating meat is a total walk in the park and has been done all over the place. It’s sound, unlike hopeless efforts by the like of Archer. So I am vegetarian (as of about 6 months ago).

    • Tim says:

      12:17pm | 11/01/12

      Ben,
      if that’s the case how would you feel about eating animals that were fed on foodstuffs not suitable for human consumption?

    • Ben Heard says:

      12:33pm | 11/01/12

      Tim, there is more to my decision to go vegetarian than the single issue of food supply and directing food suitable for human consumption to feed animals. In the example you give, on that particular issue, I would feel fine, but depending on the circumstances anything from a snapper, to a cow, a tuna, a sheep, a pig or a goat could answer the criteria you give. I’m sure you appreciate that it’s therefore a bit of a false question.

      To flesh out smile my position I have no doubt that a level of consumption of animal products is perfectly sustainable. But it’s WAAAAY smaller than generally understood and the circumstances of production are so variable I just prefer to go with none in my household.

    • Geoff Russell says:

      11:42am | 12/01/12

      I suspect Tim and others can trace their ancestry back to people who only had two numbers ... zero and more than zero. Most of the rest of us have worked out there are degrees of harm and suffering.  I suggest you try your “all levels of harm are equal” arguments in court. Try this: “Please your honour, just last week in this very court you gave a vegan who stole a bicycle a suspended sentence and a fine. I’m happy to plead guilty to the ram raid with a semitrailer and the theft of 10 high end motor vehicles for a similar fine and suspended sentence.” 

      It won’t work. In ethics as in law, the quantity of harm matters ... particularly if you are on the receiving end!

    • Blind Freddy says:

      09:21am | 11/01/12

      The vegetarians could eat the grain and the meat eaters can eat the mice. Problem solved.

    • Occam's Blunt Razor says:

      10:47am | 11/01/12

      On the issue of population growth - there is significant negative correlation between the level of education of females and their fecundity rate.  Or, in laymans terms - the more you educate a girl the less likely she is to have babies.

      While the evidence clearly supports a policy response in the developing world of educating girls, there are many cultural sped humps to achieving the desired outcome.

    • Geoff Russell says:

      11:10am | 11/01/12

      Precisely. Women’s education is the key to reducing or solving more than a few of the world’s problems. Educated women have fewer kids and better nourished kids. Tim reckons talking about fewer children is taboo. What rot. The huge drop in fecundity demonstrates this. Sure, there are pockets of resistance, big ones, but the data shows the positive trend and all the morons who want to blame and punish the entire poor world for those remaining pockets need to look at their motivation. Do they simply just want a trumped up excuse for being selfish a.seholes?

    • Tim says:

      12:10pm | 11/01/12

      Geoff,
      the Punch has done a number of stories on recent famines in Africa.
      They along with other sources focused on the lack of food and the starvation but completely ignored overpopulation part of the cause.
      You seem to think that we should provide them the food they need by changing our diets, whereas I would suggest forcing them to have fewer children, whilst also educating them would be equally as effective.

    • Ben Heard says:

      12:39pm | 11/01/12

      Forcing them to have fewer children? Is globe trotting fascism honestly your solution?

    • Tim says:

      01:18pm | 11/01/12

      Ben,
      Maybe force is too harsh a word but It’s better than constantly sending food to places whilst affecting zero change to some of the causes of their food shortages

      Give a man a fish and he’ll eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he’ll eat for a lifetime.

    • Ben Heard says:

      03:00pm | 11/01/12

      Indeed. So you are only incorrect in assuming that many organisations are not already vigorously trying (and succeeding) to achieve this outcome using means that are both just and effective. Holding people to ransom when they need food aid is neither.

      A big solution to horn of Africa famine is land reform to boost productivity. We can influence this and try to speed it up, but they are in charge at the end of the day, not us. Great article on that here http://www.worldpress.org/Africa/1839.cfm

    • marley says:

      04:08pm | 11/01/12

      @BenHeard - food aid is not a great way to encourage local agriculture, since it just undercuts prices and destroys the farmers’ income.  I expect over time it’s done more harm than good.

    • Good Grief says:

      05:41pm | 11/01/12

      “Forcing them to have fewer children? Is globe trotting fascism honestly your solution? “

      @Ben
      I don’t think reducing the rate of births from a country that can no longer stand on their own is so much Facism as much as a sanction when they are asking others for help. How is a country rife with famine will get any better when every couple is popping an additional 6 mouths to feed with no solution to curb shortages?

      Non sustainable practices have to change if a community is to be helped. On the other side of the spectrum, are you suggesting that Greece should continue their self defeating economical model while other countries are obliged to bail them out?

      BTW, call me a selfish heartless bastard all you want, but I don’t have children. That is because I take into consideration that I can’t afford one (time and financially) at the very moment and the last thing I want happen is for the community to pick up my slack because of my decisions. I call it being “societally considerate” of your own actions.

    • Ben Heard says:

      06:30pm | 11/01/12

      @Marley No great disagreement from me, did you think there would be? Except when the famine hits, which is when local production has failed, and because it has only been subsistence production for the intervening 10-20 years, the people have no resources, food or money, to fall back on. At that point it is either aid or mass death. Hence the dire need for land reform, as per the article I linked, to boost productivity by making it easier to introduce better practices and higher yielding varieties and reduce the need for food aid in any situation.

    • Ben Heard says:

      06:36pm | 11/01/12

      @Good Grief, yes but you can’t force them, or that is indeed fascist. And holding them to ransom for food when they are starving is immoral. But all the time in between is ripe to influence, assist in development, assist in land reform, assist in boosting productivity, assist in boosting education… then just like magic guess what? People worldwide demonstrate that when empowered they would prefer to take control of their fertility, leave the land to others who are better at it, get an education and a better job and have fewer children. There is plenty we can, and already do, do to put downward pressure on fertility in the developing world. It’s called development, and if you really want to speed to fertility drop, your weight the development toward education and empowerment of women.

      If one wants to snipe from the comfort of Australia, we assume the poor are to blame for their circumstances and just tell them to “have less children”.

      People should rejoice that the most effective pathways to cutting population growth also happen to be the most just, moral pathways.

    • Ross says:

      11:23am | 11/01/12

      We need more wheat growers so I can buy cheaper bread rolls to fill with lots of dead prawns . Yum , more death per meal than almost any other sambo.

    • max power says:

      12:05pm | 11/01/12

      What happens to the cows,  sheep,  pigs and other species used for meat.  Do we just let them all go   so they can live wild in an environment which can’t sustain them,  or do we condemn multiple species to extinction.

    • PsychoHyena says:

      01:17pm | 11/01/12

      Okay so I can understand vegetarians who don’t like meat or like the thought of how meat gets onto your plate, I understand that I do. BUT… Telling people they’re monsters et al for eating meat is laughable.

      If you feel that humans should not eat meat because of the suffering that it causes, then you should go talk to those other predators that play with their food, tell them how mean and nasty they are. What’s that? They might eat you? Surely not, you’re a vegetarian, they’re not going to eat that which has “saved” them are they?

    • Sharon says:

      08:26pm | 11/01/12

      It’s all about CHOOSING to do less harm. Brings to mind an apt quote:

      “The fact that man knows right from wrong proves his intellectual superiority to the other creatures; but the fact that he can do wrong proves his moral inferiority to any creatures that cannot.”  ~Mark Twain, What Is Man, 1906

    • Al says:

      02:08pm | 11/01/12

      One of the things the article hugely misses is this:
      Much of the grain used for feed is used as such simply because it is more economical to feed the cattle this grain than it is to sell the grain on the open market and feed the cattle something else.
      In some circumstances this can be extreme in that it costs more to transport grain to sale than is made by selling it, so may as well feed it to the cattle.
      This is on a global basis and not just Australia.
      One of the big problems is government subsidies for growing unprofitable crops like excess corn and wheat.

    • thatmosis says:

      02:09pm | 11/01/12

      You seem to put a lot of your faith in the Garnaut Review which was bought and paid for by the Government to get the answers to the questions that they wanted. Oft quoted is the phrase the “best outcome ever paid for.” Unfortunately most of the :science” that he used to contrive his report has since been found to be false and misleading if not out and out lies. People dont believe a word of what the Government paid so much to get unless they are brain dead or believe the sky is falling. Apart from that the rest of your article is cringeworthy to say the least.

    • Gordon says:

      02:45pm | 11/01/12

      Sounds like Abbott’s policy is more of the same rubbish, reinforced by lazy journalism.

    • marley says:

      03:18pm | 11/01/12

      I read Archer’s article.  I think this article completely ignores the points Archer was actually making:  that intensive clearing of land and growing of crops on what is generally marginal soil is more environmentally damaging than grazing cattle on it.  Intensive cropping destroys ecosystems and the native animals that rely on it;  it degrades the soils; and it damages the river systems to a much greater extent than does free-range grazing.  The issue isn’t so much the mice being poisoned, as the destruction of vast tracts of native vegetation to plant alien monocultures.

      Archer is arguing for a gentler and less intensive approach to all forms of agriculture, including cropping.  That would mean reducing agricultural productivity and therefore export income. And yes, he does say that means less food for the developing world. 

      But what Russell omits to mention, is that he also said, when challenged (by Russell) as to whether he meant reducing cereal exports, he replied: 

      “to the extent that they represent a serious ongoing, exacerbating threat to conserving Australia’s unique biodiversity and the future resilience of the land, yes, I am. There are other ways of maintaining Australia’s trading balance that don’t involve exterminating our biodiversity as we are doing now because we are unsustainably producing and exporting more food than we consume ourselves.”

      Archer’s basic point is that our intensive food production is “causing $3-5 billion in land degredation costs every year” and that “we are unsustainably mining the soils and future of Australia to make money.” 

      Now, it seems to me that Russell’s article is more than a bit ingenuous in ignoring the principle thrust of Archer’s piece.  He doesn’t address the issue of soil degredation, and if his solution is simply to find more arable land to farm, then he isn’t addressing the issue of destruction of ecosystems and native flora and fauna with it. 

      I

    • Geoff Russell says:

      11:24am | 12/01/12

      Archer assumes it is cropping that drives the destruction of ecosystems, but the data is clear ... extinctions in Australia have been driven by livestock because livestock are responsible for the bulk of habitat destruction. Archer focuses on what happens on the 23 million hectares that produces vast amounts of food and ignores the adverse impacts on the 420 million that produces comparatively small amounts of cancer and heart disease producing food at great cost to wildlife and greenhouse emissions.

    • Little Joe says:

      06:43am | 13/01/12

      @ Geoff

      My belief is that habitat destruction happened well before there was farming. Our indigenous frequently set fire to the land to moderate the landscape for their own purpose. This practice would was destroyed habitats, made large slower animals, with low reproductive rates, extinct and destroyed many species of fauna. This generated the landscape that we know today, dominated by eucalypt forest that burns at “explosive” temperatures.

      Subsequent to the fires there would have been massive soil degradation due to erosion. This later point has been recorded in several books.

    • Adam says:

      03:55pm | 11/01/12

      I always say you’re just not passionate about food unless something has to die for every meal.

    • ago says:

      05:52pm | 11/01/12

      there are so many holes in this article it isnt funny
      i suppose when the author spoke of redneck australia, he was talking about people like me,

      i farm west 2 hours west of wagga, and pump from the murrumbidgee river,
      without irrigation this area would only support sheep at the rate of one sheep for every 3-4 acres, with irrigation tonnes upon tonnes of fresh fruit an veg , along with wheat and rice,
      there is no extra arable land near me, and the land is unviable without irrigation

      does the author realise the importance of stock in a farming regime, they reduce the need for cultivation and herbicide application as they eat the remaining trash once a cereal crop is harvested,

      the droppings of the animals in turn feed the microbes, which in turn feed the crops.

      i am surpsied that the author didnt talk about the need to convert without organics, it doesnt happen without stcok

      we grow potatoes and recently started running sheep, anything that doesnt meet market specs is fed to the sheep, rather than being dumped, such potaotes include those that are too small, those that are too big, those that have blemishes ,along with those that have green spots, it is amazing the amount of ‘good’ produce that doesnt met the overly fussy consumer

      my land isnt suitable to growing grain, yet it is capable of potato crops that exceed 30 tonne per acre,(thats a semi trailer of the space of 4 old fashionded house blocks)

      but at the moment sheep represent a better return on investment than pototoes,

      simply the people you call rednecks arent stupid, we enjoy farming, but we cannot live on love alone, nor bread for that matter, make the grain or vege product worht the most, and it will be what i grown

    • Geoff Russell says:

      11:34am | 12/01/12

      Using animals to “eat the remaining trash” is a great way to degrade the productivity of your land for a short term profit. More and more farmers are working this out and leaving crop residues in place to protect the soils and increase soil carbon.

    • Little Joe says:

      03:42pm | 12/01/12

      I really cannot believe the pains that ignorant go through to spout their feeble ideas, and it is only published due to the uneducated ill-informed views of the editors. But we cannot expect editors to know everything .... can we???

      As I have stated several times before ...... don’t worry about Peak Oil ..... worry about the depletion of phosphorus resources, or Peak Phosphorus. Because it doesn’t matter how much oil or CSG or coal you have, and it does not matter how much land you have without phosphorus you do not have food!!!!

      As for kangaroo meat, I have no doubt that it will be commonly eaten throughout Australia by the end of this century. I would tell you how this will happen but I would only receive hate mail.

    • Greg says:

      11:14pm | 20/01/12

      Australia can trash all its arable land and destroy all our river systems in a futile pin prick attempt to save the current hundreds of miilions of the world’s hungry and the expected billions of the world’s hungry by 2050.

      In the end we will not stop a massive die off in the human population that the third world will bare the brunt of as global food production is hopelessly out stripped by massive population expansion.

      Like the field mice our numbers must inevitably plummet once our numbers have consumed the available food supply. The only difference between us and mice is that we are supposedly smart enough not to allow our population to eneter into ecological overshoot. But thus far we have failed dismally to manifest that intelligence.

      IF you want to save future generations from a deplorable death from starvation then you need to divert your efforts from providing them with more food to providing them with more contracpetions or any other humane as possible cost effective methods of reducing their fertility. Prevent those future generations from further out stripping our capacity to supply them with food.

      I think many of the commentors in here, and the author of the article, are suffering from a severe case of hubris in believing that they and their country can single handedly save the world from hunger.

      I think they all need to get at from behind their desks in their air conditioned offices and re-discover the true nature of the world and life not characterised by super markets and mains electricity.

      The fact is that if you want the third world to share in your comfy life styles then there MUST be vastly less of us to share it!

 

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