In a New York nursing home, a bunch of 80-year-old women are sitting around in cliques, bitching about each other.

And then she said .... Photo: Not enough chocolate.

They’re also hogging the communal television set, saving seats at the dinner table for “certain” people and bossing each other around during the leisure activities: That is not how you play bridge, Ethel, so you can’t come anymore!

I’d like to think they’re wearing hair nets, knitting for their grandkids and drinking copious cups of tea with lipstick smeared on the cup,while they’re doing it.  But the point is they’re doing it – mouthing off about each other, just like a bunch of teenagers.

That’s because growing old is akin to the worst of our teenage years. Or so say the social workers who visit these women and others just like them on a regular basis.  Like Dr Bonifas who told the New York Times that when humans feel vulnerable or insecure; social bullying is our immediate fallback position. “It gives them a sense that they’re important,” she said.

Bitchy behaviour has long been considered the domain of women and quite rightly. You’d be hard pressed to find an (honest) woman whose regular tete-a-tete doesn’t include a dissection of another female friend’s life.

But it’s wrong to assume that means it’s also just bad behaviour. Having a good old whinge-fest is a great way of expressing our emotions.

That’s probably why we start so young. Clinical psychologist Cindy Nour says most girls start gossiping about each other from age nine or ten; the age when we first start making friends that are important to us. She says from that age our most common discussion points are around comparison and questioning. We ask each other: Would you do that? How would that feel? What do you think that means? And in so doing, develop our own judgements. 

Remember when the first of your friends go their ears pierced, or even started their period. The fascination and curiosity that surrounded your questions back then can be just as easily seen in the conversations of 20-year-old girls dissecting their relationships.

Interestingly enough men don’t share this habit. Psychologist Hagai Avisar says males value privacy, so their feelings tend to be secrets. If they do share, it is a sign of either great courage or great trust in the person with whom they’ve confided.

They get their closeness from shared projects or teams, like sport, business and leisure time. When they do gossip it will be about leaders, or colleagues or their bosses; where the relationships are based on power or shared interests.

“Even in a kindergarten playground you will see girls playing and chatting away at the same time, while boys as young as three or four, will be playing in the sandpit, without saying a word,” he said.

Women, on the other hand, are biologically programmed to gossip. American doctor Shelley E Taylor told Psychology Today that females are believed to carry more of the oxytocins and endogenous opioid peptides, the hormones responsible for feelings of possession and aggression but also, nurture and closeness in our relationships.

That all sounds very impressive and technical, but completely glosses over the more obvious explanation - that having a massive gossip session is genuinely cathartic.

Talking about someone else’s problems allows you to explore your own reactions to situations you may never find yourself in. As long as you’re not breaking any codes of confidentiality, or directly hurting someone else’s feelings, it might even make you a better friend.

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    • Tina says:

      05:54am | 29/09/11

      “But it’s wrong to assume that means it’s also just bad behaviour. Having a good old whinge-fest is a great way of expressing our emotions.”

      I know as girl I can get bitchy at times and enjoy a bit of gossiping. But I am not writing an article trying to find a way how to justify this terrible habit.

    • Erick says:

      08:42am | 29/09/11

      Here’s one woman’s take on gossip:

      “Our conversations have evolved from office gossip to family chit-chat — but recently it’s struck me that what may have begun as jocular jibes about our husbands’ lack of familiarity with the vacuum cleaner has evolved into something more unpleasant.

      “Listen to us talk and you’d be convinced we are married to a bunch of total no-hopers. Our husbands’ sins range from never emptying the dishwasher to being emotional retards who are criminally incompetent at childcare and let our homes go to rack and ruin through lack of interest in DIY.

      “And I know we are far from alone. Get any group of women together and you can be sure they’ll talk about their husbands — and it will rarely be complimentary.”

    • Tony of Poorakistan says:

      09:23am | 29/09/11

      Women are bitches; ipso facto they display bitchiness. 
       
      The other side of this is one I have discussed on the odd occasion with my mates - every woman seems to have a girlfriend in whom she confides everything. Couldn’t imagine doing that as a bloke.

    • marley says:

      11:21am | 29/09/11

      @Tony - great parody.  Quite obviously, your “discussions” with your mates are in a different category entirely to the women’s “gossip” with theirs.

    • neo says:

      12:07pm | 29/09/11

      Whichever way you spin it, talking behind people’s backs is low and cowardly. If you can’t say it to a person’s face, maybe it’s not worth saying. The false feeling of superiority you may get is just that, false.

      There’s a little book by Dale Carnegie called “How to win friends…” which quite appropriately describes the utter uselessness of rudeness. Negativity never achieves results, and you can never win an argument, so it’s best to leave debates to places like The Punch, where you can argue for the sake of arguing, not to achieve a result.

    • Cyn says:

      01:10pm | 29/09/11

      Thanks for the link to that article @Erick!  I actually found myself to nodding to quite a few paragraphs about women deriding their husbands.  I for one am no saint, and now having read that article will actually try and be a little more grateful for everything he DOES do, as opposed to things he may not do.

    • john taylor says:

      06:16am | 29/09/11

      O.M.G.  Can’t believe I beat Erick to the punch (hahaha). However let me say that this article is a perfect example of the utter oppression and socio-cultural emasculation of decent male chauvinists everywhere. Those little boys are not being quiet due to some genetic predisposition. It is clear cut proof of the feminazis that have infiltrated the early childhood care centres and their silencing of the natural right of boys to be noisy, boisterous little bastards and thus prevent them from ruling the world. Or some such.

      Now the Erick moment has passed, this article was quite funny.

    • Fiona says:

      07:42am | 29/09/11

      Haha, good one.

    • Erick says:

      08:02am | 29/09/11

      Some people have stalkers who follow them everywhere. I have stalkers who follow me when I’m not even there.

      These obsessive followers are kind of cute.

    • adam says:

      09:20am | 29/09/11

      Erick it’s worse than you think ,ate. They’ve started a cult of sorts, the graven image they use does you no justice

    • Trev says:

      09:39am | 29/09/11

      Well done, john. We should just copy and paste that at the start of every comment thread and get it over with.

    • gonzo says:

      11:29am | 29/09/11

      Oh John, please hi-five yourself.

    • acotrel says:

      11:41am | 29/09/11

      @Erick
      I’ve often thought you go a bit overboard with this ‘poor men’ stuff. 
      But some women are a disgrace.  Hormonal might be a reason, but it’s not an excuse for outright poison ! Very few men would have the gall to hand out the sort of crap, in which some women excel . All you have to do is watch parliament question time to see it happening.

    • Erick says:

      11:58am | 29/09/11

      @adam - But I told them I wasn’t the Messiah!

    • bec says:

      06:24am | 29/09/11

      Oh, the word “hardwired”. Writing it can make you feel so… facty!

      I have this impulsive quirk where I smack my head against the wall every time someone uses the word “hardwired” (double points if they reference an article in Psychology Today, which is a little bit like writing a critical essay on German Impressionist films while using Zoo Weekly as a scholarly source) in an attempt to state an “objective” fact when they fall short of using any real or believable evidence.

      I’ve probably lost quite a few brain cells while doing it. But hey, who am I to stop myself? It’s *hardwired* behaviour.

    • Lucy Kippist

      Lucy Kippist says:

      02:20pm | 29/09/11

      Ha, ha! Be careful of your head Bec!

    • Geoff says:

      09:06am | 30/09/11

      you are brilliantly hardwired!

    • TChong says:

      07:08am | 29/09/11

      “females ..believed carry.more oycontins..”,etc .
      “believed”  is an odd statement, in this context.
      Either they exist , or not, such chemical can be easily measured.
      Also, some what dangerous to imply particular characteristics as gender specific - it immediately marginalises or negates those who fall out side of the stereotype.

    • Fiddler says:

      07:32am | 29/09/11

      the girls are sitting around gossiping while the young boys are playing together doing stuff. Sounds pretty much what happens their entire lives really.

    • marley says:

      08:34am | 29/09/11

      No, no you missed it - the boys are doing stuff;  the girls are gossiping AND doing stuff.  They’re training for a lifetime of multitasking.

    • acotrel says:

      05:48pm | 29/09/11

      @marley
      Are you propagating the old furphy about women being able to do two things at once ?  lIke driving the car while powdering their nose in the rear vision mirror, and simultaneously yelling at the kids to get the mobile phone out of her purse ? A job worth doing, is worth doing well ?

    • marley says:

      09:15pm | 29/09/11

      @acotrel - how old are you anyway?  My grandmother powdered her nose (before she passed away in 1978), but my mom (now 94) didn’t, certainly not while driving, and I don’t think my sister (about to turn 59) knows what face powder is.

    • Mahhrat says:

      07:40am | 29/09/11

      While trying not to overload on the generalisation circuits:

      Women tend to compete with other women; their battles are external.  “Bitchiness” is a natural extension of that competitiveness.

      Men tend to compete with themselves; their battles are internal.  This is why men think it’s “bad form” to celebrate any and every achievement, saving it up for the one great crowning glory (like a GF win), and why men who lose seek internal answers for what they did wrong, and usually end up singing the praises of the bloke who beat them.

    • Joan Bennett says:

      07:50am | 29/09/11

      I’ve found that if a woman has been bitching about another woman behind their back, they usually manage to make their feelings known to the person.  However, the number of times I’ve heard blokes bitching about another bloke and when he walks in, they’re all “how ya going, mate”...  I guess that’s because women can’t control their feelings as well as men can.  They can’t help themselves, so you know where you stand.
      Meanwhile, isn’t it interesting that women bitch about other women and men about other men.  I’ve only noticed a cross over when the man and woman in question are ex-lovers.  Then watch out for the mega bitching from both!

    • Fiddler says:

      08:04am | 29/09/11

      you’re on drugs. Seriously a woman makes their feelings known? What a load of crap, women bitch about whichever friend isn’t present then when they turn up move onto someone else

    • MadKat of Melbourne says:

      08:57am | 29/09/11

      Haha fiddler got it in one -

    • Social observer says:

      09:24am | 29/09/11

      Hey Joan. You are soooo right. Elevators and trains are great places to hear men stick the knife into other men. Men are as bitchy as women, they just don’t use that word but the actions are the same.

    • S.L says:

      08:16am | 29/09/11

      For 2 years I was the only male in an office full of women…...........................................................I survived!

    • Damo says:

      11:14am | 29/09/11

      I feel your pain.

    • jay-ded says:

      11:24am | 29/09/11

      Is that you Wazza?  But, we treated you just like one of the girls…...

    • BJ says:

      04:30pm | 29/09/11

      @ jay-ded

      Being treated like one of the girls was the problem.

    • fairsfair says:

      05:01pm | 29/09/11

      It really is a window into hell isn’t it BJ? I worked in an office full of only men for about 18 months - it was heaven and since returning to an office with more women - well I didn’t realise how well I had that going on.

      I am glad you lived to share your story with us here today.

      LOL

    • bec says:

      08:18am | 29/09/11

      Men bitch frequently about each other, even the blokiest of blokes.

      The amount of crap some teenage boys and younger men will tolerate simply because another guy as a car or their license, or has permissive parents who will let them have parties at their house (or will buy alcohol for them) is quite impressive.

      Poor behaviour isn’t limited by gender. Some socialisation might encourage people of different genders to behave in certain ways, and people might have their own cultural hang-ups of what men and women are capable of, but it’s not innate biological behaviour.

    • Kara says:

      02:03pm | 29/09/11

      Men do bitch frequently and most of the time it’s about friends and family, not colleagues and leaders as the article would suggest - and what’s the difference anyway? You’re still bitching about someone.

      Additionally, suggesting the reason men don’t bitch as much as women (which they do anyway) is because they value privacy is a stretch. Is this suggesting that women do not value privacy?

    • Lucy Kippist

      Lucy Kippist says:

      02:28pm | 29/09/11

      Kara i think the “privacy” thing relates to how much of men’s lives they’re happy to reveal. To be fair, i think this comes down to personality more than gender though. I have some female friends who are really uncomfortable about talking about what is going wrong in their relationships, because they feel this is a negative reflection on their lives. While other friends air their lives/souls without a care, because it makes them feel better. I think the psychologist i’ve referenced here was referring to that kind of thing when he said men value privacy more.

    • Fiona says:

      06:31pm | 29/09/11

      I asked my hubby about this cos he’s a tradie in a male dominated industry and he reported that the guys at his work bitch and gossip all the time. Just one persons observations.
      Fairs fair, as a nurse the male nurses we work with often get fussed over and paid a lot of attention by the women they work with and are usually good for a bit of light relief. It’s not all doom and gloom.

    • Tubesteak says:

      08:45am | 29/09/11

      My gawd, if I have to put up with this when I’m 80 I’ll kill myself.

      The only thing I’ll want by that age is a good tipple and a good laugh and to mostly be left to myself. I don’t want hassles or dramas. I barely want that now.

    • Babe in the Woods says:

      08:50am | 29/09/11

      True enough, don’t mind a bit of a bit-fest on occasion.  But like Tina said, I can’t see myself writing an article about it.  Ah, there I go, bitching about the writer!  Must be a gal thing.  Now, pass the chocolates and leave me alone, the PMS Queen is here!  (Oh, and yes Erick, PMS is a really great cop out I use to bitch about anything).

    • Erick says:

      12:00pm | 29/09/11

      I demand the right to equal PMS!

    • BTK says:

      01:06pm | 29/09/11

      you have it Erick, everyone knows men manstrate and get moody once a month.

    • jim morris says:

      09:01am | 29/09/11

      Gossip is so cute and harmless, except when it is character assassination motivated by any number of malicous intentions.
      While a student at UNE I put the feminists’ noses out of joint by exposing a scam run on compulsory student fees. According to a female friend who was present at a women’s meeting on campus they spent more than an hour discussing ways to punish me and settled on ‘whispering poison’. I subsequently learned just how low the feminist mob could go but fortunately was sponsored by a university elsewhere and completed my degree there.
      The worst thing about gossip is that nasty or jealous people can create a seperate reality that the victim can do nothing about. Gossip destroys lives and careers and it is an essential element in feminist power.

    • Twilight Sparkle says:

      09:09am | 29/09/11

      Seriously, if I dislike someone enough to bitch about them, I stop being friends with them.

      Not everyone woman is a catty gossip who can’t keep her mouth shut, just like every man isn’t a stoic and internalised.

    • mick says:

      09:29am | 29/09/11

      There are few benefits of female bitchiness.  It might be a way of unloading but the recipients never think much of the ‘bitch’ who is doing the unloading at someone else’s expense.  It is the worst side of women and men generally do not like this trait at all.

    • Lucy Kippist

      Lucy Kippist says:

      02:33pm | 29/09/11

      i totally agree Mick. I really dislike people who bitch about other people too much, but as i do it too - that makes me a hypocrite! Another way of thinking about it is that when you bitch about someone, the reason is very clear to you, but the person listening might not get that. Probably a good reason to choose who you bitch to very wisely.  Someone put a comment on The Punch several weeks ago that one way to be a better person was to not say/comment on what other people do, unless you are asked by that person.  I’m still working on that one, but i reckon it’s a good rule.

    • JS says:

      09:39am | 29/09/11

      I don’t see any mention in the article of the benefits of being the person bitched about. What are the benefits for the victim?

    • Anna C says:

      10:55am | 29/09/11

      The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about according to Oscar Wilde.

      Who doesn’t love to be the centre of attention?

    • Lucy Kippist

      Lucy Kippist says:

      02:35pm | 29/09/11

      Well, if a woman bitches about you to another friend, generally she is trying to understand a situation that confuses her, or that she doesn’t understand. So i guess the benefit for the “victim” is that she/he gets a better response from that person when they next meet. They have to be good friends though.

    • Sarah says:

      09:42am | 29/09/11

      This article does nothing but reinforce ridiculous and dangerous stereotypes for both men and women. “Stoic and strong” “gossiping and bitchiness”. Aren’t we past this ridiculous shit? I talk about my friebds when their not around certainly, but in context of events and shared experiences. Why are people friends with people they don’t like? It’s beyond me. I’ve heard examples of bitchiness and pettiness from both sexes.

      Hopefully no one makes my daughter feel abmormal for being the quiet child in the sandpit because that’s the domain of boy.

    • BTK says:

      12:33pm | 29/09/11

      it’s not so much we don’t like the people wh’re bitching about, spend a lot of time with the same people and they will get on your nerves eventually, the bitching is a way to vent to someone else and get it off your chest before you snap and tell your friend what you think of them in that moment, which never goes down well

    • Markus says:

      02:10pm | 29/09/11

      “the bitching is a way to vent to someone else and get it off your chest before you snap and tell your friend what you think of them in that moment, which never goes down well “
      Really? Surely letting your friend know what they’re doing that’s giving you the sh*ts would be a good thing. Especially doing so well before it gets to the point you feel the need to snap.

      Seems that bitching about your friends is just a spineless way of avoiding conflict with them.

    • Lucy Kippist

      Lucy Kippist says:

      02:23pm | 29/09/11

      @Markus - This is a great point - are people who are afraid/dislike conflict and open discussion, bitchier? I would say yes. It’s near impossible to be human and not have negative thoughts about people in your life, but it’s how you deal with those problems that shows your true character imo.

    • Shama says:

      09:49am | 29/09/11

      I work in a very male dominated tech profession.  And I was one of three women in my University tech course. 

      Let me just say that women have absolutely nothing on men when it comes to gossiping and bitching.  Like male bragging it is on a pretty mega scale and also capable of ruining a few reputations. 

      This does not mean women do not gossip. It just means that rubbish like “women are *genetically programmed* to wear pink, cry, gossip, bitch etc. etc.” should be consigned to the dustbin.

    • Ally says:

      06:15pm | 29/09/11

      Women bitch but when men do its just talking. When I was at school the group of guys my friends would hang around would talk relentlessly about people they didn’t like, how fat/unattractive/annoying/stupid/slutty they were. Sometimes even about each other…but if any of the girls dared to say ‘so and so thinks she’s so great but she’s really not’, then the boys would go on about how bitchy and negative girls are and how they can’t stand it when girls hate on each other.
      Double standard much??

    • Shama says:

      06:46pm | 29/09/11

      On double standards don’t even get me started on “male brotherhood”.

      It counts for nothing in the rise to the top.  Verbal arsenal can be very adeptly deployed by men.  More than a few (often male) bodies are trampled on the way to the top. 

      Being Top Gene is a full time job.

    • Anubis says:

      09:57am | 29/09/11

      But Lucy, haven’t you just broken the number one rule of the Sistahood - I thought there was supposed to be NO difference between men and women. Germaine Greer will have your membership of the Sistahood revoked if she reads this article.

    • Lucy Kippist

      Lucy Kippist says:

      02:38pm | 29/09/11

      Not sure Anubis? But then again i don’t share too many of Greer’s opinions on the relationship between the sexes.

    • Anubis says:

      03:21pm | 29/09/11

      Not many people do anymore Lucy. Greer has grown to a bitter and nasty old woman, judging by her most recent television appearances and public utterings.

    • dancan says:

      10:01am | 29/09/11

      Gossiping is a vile habit, and a habit born in people through their unfulfilling and boring lives, where said person gains so little satisfaction and stimuli through the day that they’re forced to gossip to provide a small resemblance an interesting personality.  Disgusting.

    • BTK says:

      01:07pm | 29/09/11

      hey leave us something to do, just because you don’t like gossiping or bitching doesn’t mean you can take that away from us

    • Jade says:

      10:13am | 29/09/11

      I am the first to admit that I am a bitch.  I will talk about nearly all of my friends behind there back except 2 who aren’t high maintenance moles.  The only thing I have learnt is that you have to be selective about who you talk to about your friends.

    • TChong says:

      10:36am | 29/09/11

      jade you probaly are the non present topic of conversation for many of those 2nd teir “friends”, too.
      To use a cliché - what goes around ,comes back to bite you on the bum, big time.
      Remember the argument Defence Attorney Lionel Hutz tried in court :
      ’ íf you cant say anything nice…”

    • amy says:

      10:49am | 29/09/11

      sooo moral of the story is “dont” be a high maintinence mole? if you dont liek them, I wouldnt call them “freinds”...you know just sayin

    • Tony of Poorakistan says:

      11:03am | 29/09/11

      Jade, please…

      it is ‘‘moll’‘. A mole is a small cylindrical mammal adapted to a subterranean lifestyle.

    • Jade says:

      11:21am | 29/09/11

      Sorry a *MOLE*

      TChong, people can talk about me all they want.  I don’t care what they say, I actually find it funny to hear what people think of me.

      Amy, you know I wouldn’t really call them my friends either, more a pain in the ass that I am forced to talk to to keep my true friends happy.

      Tony, see first line.  And really if all you have to comment on is a spelling mistake, please don’t bother wasting my time reading it, your time posting it and the mod’s time reading and allowing the post through either.

    • amy says:

      10:24am | 29/09/11

      *sigh* this is depressing on so many levels

    • scumbag says:

      11:05am | 29/09/11

      Blokes don’t gossip. What’s the bloody point in that. It doesn’t achieve anything, except a bad attitude. Blokes don’t like other blokes with attitude. Blokes don’t gossip about women. They mostly either have respect for them, don’t care, or keep silent. Except for the Aussie Hornbag down the road with the short ‘dress’. “Phwooarr! maaate, how’d you like some time (2 minutes) with her mate”. As I said, men don’t gossip.

    • gonzo says:

      11:42am | 29/09/11

      girl 1 and girl 2 run into girl 3.
      Girl 1: hi, girl 3, you look great! Have you done smtg to your hair? looks fabulous! Hey, this is my friend girl 2!

      Girl 2: Oh hi, I’ve heard so much about you! Nice to meet you

      Girl one: hey girl 3, i saw you the other day with some handsome guy, you have a new boyfriend? Anyway, see you later, i’ll call you.

      Girl 1 and 2 walk away. Girl 2: is that the slut you told me about the other day?
      girl 1: yes, diidn’t you see the slutty hair? and she’s dating the most disgusting guy you’ve ever seen.


      bloke 1 and bloke 2 run into bloke 3
      bloke 1: hey mate, how’ve you been? geez mate, you’ve been on to the fish and chips aye?! won’t fit in that shirt in 10 minutes! hey, this is my mate bloke 2. Bloke 2: nice to meet you mate.
      Bloke 1: hey, who was that hottie I saw you the other day? she looked like you just picked her from kings street mate! Anyway, let’s go for a beer this weekend. (Bloke 1 and 2 walk away).

      Bloke 2: Is that your best mate from childhood, the one you say it’s like your brother? Bloke 1: ye, he’s a good bloke.

    • mikk says:

      11:14am | 29/09/11

      Great minds talk about ideas
      Mediocre minds talk about things
      Small minds talk about people

    • BTK says:

      01:11pm | 29/09/11

      ah yes but those of us with small minds are easily amused and kept happy

    • John Findlay says:

      12:46pm | 29/09/11

      If your a male and have just broken up with your ex and are possibly trying to get back together your chances of recosiliation decrease’s by the number of get togethers your ex has with her friends, spliting of assets started at 50/50, her friends will justify she take everything, child access will start 50/50 her friends will convince her that you dont deserve to see them at all, the angry TXT message you sent her will start as just an angry rant but her friends will convince her to get a DVO. Womens “bitching” can very quickly turn into unbelievable vengence that a man never saw coming. Beware the women who will drama up the situation to be the centre of attention around her friends !

    • Just Sayin' says:

      01:49pm | 29/09/11

      *Whispers* That guy Acotrel is such a dick!

    • LJ Dots says:

      07:05pm | 29/09/11

      @Just Sayin’, you should hear what he’s saying about you! OMG. I just heard it from Smithy da Riff on the Open Thread.  grin

    • Sally says:

      03:30pm | 29/09/11

      Sorry, but too many females are absolute bitches, and they get worse with age.  It’s nothing to do with being a good friend, or even sharing and caring. Gossiping about a “friend” is all about division, judgements, and scoring points. I’m no angel, but when it starts, I leave, no doubt giving them one more target. Men, believe it, most of your women are nasty when you’re not around, and you’re usually a big part of the conversation.  Also agree with the doctor’s analysis as to why certain people pick on other groups within society. Losers always need someone lower down the ladder to kick, so they can fool themselves into feeling superior. The worse the economy becomes, the more poisonous it’s getting.

    • Elsa says:

      09:25am | 30/09/11

      I agree Sally. I’m a bit of a loner, despite being married! Don’t have a huge circle of girlfriends and my closest friend of many years lives overseas. I’ve never been one to tell all to my friends, I’m just too much of a private person.
      My husband’s ex seems to be in constant conflict with her friends and family, having bitchy fights and fall outs. And she’s in her late 50’s. I would have thought she’d be beyond that. In fact she acts worse than her teenage daughter at times!

      I do resent the stereotype that all women are gossipy bitches. We aren’t all like that. You only have to be on the receiving end of malicous gossip to learn to keep your mouth shut and your business to yourself. Never air your dirty laundry. Having been let down in the past by work colleagues, I pretty much keep my mouth shut to anyone except my husband, Mum and sister.

      Malicious gossipers are nothing more than bullies.

    • Kate says:

      03:46pm | 29/09/11

      Gossiping is awful.  Women know other people are talking about them, passing judgements, analysing.  Lack of confidence is prolific.  I’m sure gossiping adds to the insecurity, and probably insecurity is the cause of gossip too.  I am a very private person, and treasure close friendships that I know are free from this vile practice.  I’m really sad for the older women described in this article.

    • Tika says:

      06:22pm | 29/09/11

      Bitchiness is a manifestation of low-self esteem. Girls that bitch don’t tend have any of their own interests outside of preening. They don’t play sports or have hobbies to keep themselves busy, so they make themselves feel better by putting other people down - or talking about other peoples lives… BOOOORRRIIIING!

      Not all girls are like this, however, this is why I mostly hang out with dudes and other self-assured women.

    • sunny says:

      08:02pm | 29/09/11

      Men like to have a few beers, forget their worries and talk some shit with their mates. When there’s a woman or women around they can’t do that because they know they have to keep their guard up otherwise everything they say/do will be 6 o clock news. (This is generalising I concede there are a few women who are cool enough to know this).

    • NESLIHAN KUROSAWA says:

      12:41am | 30/09/11

      Hi Lucy,

      Saying things like most women love to gossip is very much of a stereo type!!  After all the society determines what we are supposed to be, right?? It has always been that way!!  I personally do not think that all males tend to value privacy at all!!

      I feel mostly if they are not talking about their true feelings, that can only mean that they do not feel ready to discuss certain things & they do not want to be misunderstood, right??  Or they do not want to seem so weak, fragile & feminine to the out side world!!  Wrong again??

      There is only one major difference which happens to be, that men can go on about politics & sports, just because they all happen to be the manly things!!  As women we may seem a little shallow & superficial because we have discovered that flirting & sweet talking will get us to certain places, right??  Wrong again!!  Because I believe truly that it is very much a learnt behavior.

      Just watching little girls growing up, as they are complemented by others on the way they look & dress is one of the biggest clues we will ever need!!  We all need to communicate in an intelligent & respectful way!!  I do not care so much for how men behave!!  Just getting them to open up, can prove a little difficult, anyway!!

      Lucy please do not get me wrong but saying things like all women enjoy gossip is just another stereo type!!  I just want to say that we are better at being chatty & having social skills!!  Mostly it is all about taking our lives & ourselves as human beings, very seriously!!  Best regards to your editors.

    • Fiona says:

      09:20am | 30/09/11

      I’ve noticed how much of a bitch my 74yo mother has become. She works at a charity shop and I can’ believe how she talks about both the other women she works with and the customers! I actually told her the other day ‘geez Mum you’re a bit of a bitch’ after she told me how she spoke to a customer who pissed her off. I know the customer isn’t always right (used to be a small business owner) but sheesh Ma, I thought you’d have mellowed out by now. Seems she’s turned into a real old cow!

      She never used to be like this. She never really had a bad word to say about anyone, and if she did think badly of someone, she kept it to herself. Maybe she doesn’t feel the need anymore, but hell it’s a really unattractive trait and makes me less prone to wanting to spend time with her. Whether we’re out shopping or sitting watching TV together, she seems to find the negative in everyone.

      I suspect it’s because she became friends with a certaine woman who is no longer in her life. I’m hoping her absence has a positive effect. I can’t cop bitchy gossipy women. I have a very small circle of friends, and I don’t discuss anything much personal with them as it is. I believe even friends should keep some things to themselves. Hell I don’t even tell my husband some of my innermost feelings. But that’s just me. I couldn’t stand having bitchy falling-outs with friends. I’m 45 not 15!

    • Nash says:

      04:04pm | 23/11/11

      Now I feel stupid. That’s clreead it up for me

 

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