A few years ago, my wife suggested that we get a pet dog for the kids. The arguments were assembled: it is good for children to learn how to treat animals properly, it will get them outdoors and off the computer, they will get exercise by taking it around the block etc.

Yeah, but who's the real mother?

By the time we got the cute little thing air freighted to Sydney from the breeding kennel interstate, we had signed for it three times. Once when placing the order for the dog, once when booking it to be sent to Sydney and one more time when I picked it up at the airport. No signature, no puppy. Not once, but three times.

And the point of this story? Well at the moment the Tasmanian Parliament is debating a bill dealing with surrogacy. The bill in its current form permits two men, two women, a single man and even a heterosexual couple to enter into a surrogacy arrangement with a female person, to be known as the “birth mother”, who will seek to become pregnant and give birth to a child.

Pursuant to the arrangement, the resultant child is to be treated as the child of a person or persons other than the birth mother. The person or persons are to be known as the “intended parent or parents”. Controversial? Well, it depends on your point of view.

Personally, I think there are a number of serious individual and social issues associated with artificial reproductive technology, including surrogacy, that we are only starting to comprehend and understand. It is only now that we are starting to hear from the young adults, born through artificial reproductive technology in the early 1990s, about how they reconcile and understand themselves having a birth parent, genetic parents and social parents.

The sound of the voices is gradually rising as individuals come forward and tell their story. However, what is surprising is that the proposed arrangements in Tasmania may be made orally or in writing.

Now, call me old-fashioned but if I have to sign three times before I get to take the puppy home, you would think that the so-called “relevant parties” to a surrogacy arrangement would be expected to reduce their proposed reproduction plan to writing. Surely nobody believes that the best way for the “relevant parties” let alone the child-to-be, to have any certainty about the future, is to settle the matter on a handshake and a hug!

One great strength of our federation is that when it comes to law making, states and territories can learn from each other. That does not mean that they have to copy exactly what others are doing. Certainly with respect to the states, they are sovereign legislatures and their elected representatives have broad law making powers.

Having said that, it is usual and I would argue good law making practice, to look at what other jurisdictions have done and set out to enhance and improve on what has been enacted elsewhere. Parliaments by doing this are not surrendering any sovereign rights. They are in fact making things better for their citizens by not repeating mistakes or clarifying matters that are doubtful or ambiguous.

For these reasons I find it baffling that the Tasmanian Parliament is pressing ahead with a surrogacy bill that has holes in it so large, that you could drive a fleet of Mack trucks through them. I say this because if you look at the bill in detail and compare it with similar laws passed in other Australian jurisdictions in recent time, it fails to address a number of critically important issues. Furthermore, with respect to what the bill claims to address, there are gaps and deficiencies.

I make these comments, not as some know-it-all legislator from the mainland, that I am not, but as someone who has looked at the Tasmanian Legislative Council Select Committee on Surrogacy report and other surrogacy acts from around Australia.

On the question of the bill failing to incorporate some key recommendations of the Select Committee, I can make no comment. I presume that the reasons will come out in the parliamentary debates. May I say, and I do so with the greatest of respect to the Honourable Members of the Select Committee who put together the report, it is very brief (just 36 pages excluding the index and appendix) for such a complex issue. Secondly, having only eight recommendations, a number of significant matters are left open or ignored. Why is this so, the report does not say.

In February this year, as part of the public consultation process associated with commenting on the draft surrogacy bill, I raised a number of issues. My letter was sent to The Director, Office of Legislation Development and Review c/o the Department of Justice. My five page letter outlining what I consider 11 significant issues was not even acknowledged. So be it.

However, what is concerning is that the bill, in my view, is fundamentally flawed. So what are some of the issues? I have already mentioned that leaving such a complex and potentially highly emotional arrangement to some oral understanding between the parties is extremely problematic. Leaving such a matter to individual and collective memories seems to be a recipe for disaster.

The bill in its current form prohibits commercial surrogacy arrangements – a position I agree with. However, the bill leaves it wide open for individuals and couples to travel overseas and procure a child via a commercial surrogacy arrangement. The whole integrity of the policy position that rejects the concept of commercial surrogacy is undermined by this key flaw.

The NSW Parliament last year when legislating on surrogacy, incorporated a specific provision that addressed this issue. By specifically doing so, the Parliament fortified the principle of rejecting commercial surrogacy; a principle that underpins the Commonwealth’s Standing Committee of Attorneys-General recommendations, that deal with surrogacy.

Some other Australian jurisdictions provide in their legislation that all prospective surrogate women must have carried at least one previous child to term before being eligible to enter into a pre-conception surrogacy arrangement. Indeed the Select Committee itself made this one of their specific recommendations. The bill is silent on the matter. Why?

The question of the genuine independence of the counselling that the parties will undergo remains unclear. How independent would the counselling be if the counsellor was in some way connected with the practice of the doctor or specialist overseeing the surrogacy procedure? This is obviously a serious matter as the bill places some significance on counselling.

It can be argued that clause 39 of the bill is poorly drafted. The prohibition on advertising is clearly stated in the clause title but, the clause itself does not explicitly deal with the issue. Why would you make such an important piece of legislation for who knows how many children into the future, a lawyers’ picnic.

Given the nature of the matter being considered there is a strong argument that the Supreme Court should be the appropriate court to deal with the making of parentage orders with respect to surrogacy arrangements. The bill provides that the Magistrates Court (Children’s Division) will deal with parentage order applications.

The bill is also deficient in not providing conscientious objection rights to medical, nursing and allied health employees who do not wish to work in the area of surrogacy. Why should individuals who conscientiously object to medical practices like surrogacy be potentially forced to work in such areas? Have we as a society become so intolerant that we are prepared to steam-roll over an individual, notwithstanding their deeply held personal convictions?

I could go on with a number of other matters. They are all there for anybody who wishes to examine the bill. As an outsider looking in, it is a mystery why such an important bill falls so short of the mark. The parliamentary debates will hopefully shed some light on these matters. I also hope, particularly for the future children in Tasmania who are going to be born via surrogacy arrangements, that their dignity and human rights are accorded the respect that they deserve and are not subverted by the claims and wishes of adults.

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    • SciFi Futures says:

      07:06am | 19/04/11

      I appreciate yr bringing our attention to this issue.

      It is very scary to hear of surrogates referred to as “gestational carriers” (a la Nicole Kidman) & to see babies reduced more & more to being a commodity that can be picked & chosen from the market.

    • Phil says:

      07:33pm | 19/04/11

      You are right, I cant believe that a labor polly has brains. This is well written and an effective communication. Congratulations to Mr Donnelly, mind you he could be ostrasized at the next labor conference after all rainbow labor wont like that he stopping some of them from having children.

    • AJ says:

      08:16am | 19/04/11

      I don’t think it’s realistic or appropriate to seek to prohibit couples from travelling overseas to procure a child through commercial surrogacy.  Does any State or Territory Government with such a provision (including Queensland) honestly intend to pursue people who return to Australia with a child they procured overseas? Would imprisoning or finding the parent/s (whatever the relevant criminal penalty) be in the best interests of the child?

      As for altruistic surrogacy, it does appear ridiculous that the agreement with the surrogate does not need to be recorded in writing. I don’t see that working out well in practice.

      As for surrogacy in general, I think it would be great to see as much attention focused on overhauling Australia’s intercountry adoption laws as there is on regulating surrogacy (both altruistic and commercial).  I’ve travelled to a number of poorer countries and seeing hundreds, sometimes thousands, of children living in orphanages in poor conditions with limited access to food, clothing and education is pretty depressing.  I realise that some people will pursue surrogacy instead of adoption, but surely if adoption was a more feasible option, more prospective parents may use it.

    • B says:

      08:41am | 19/04/11

      Agreed AJ. If our adoption system - domestic and intercountry - wasn’t so onerous then there would be far less reason for people to resort to the much more ethically fraught practice of surrogacy.

    • Kika says:

      12:50pm | 19/04/11

      Oh my goodness. You are SO right. I was looking into adoption with my husband a few months ago because we’re not sure whether we will be successul conceiving ourselves naturally because of a medical condition I have. The process involved is absolutely ridiculous. Naturally there is going to be a process, but the way it’s run is just a joke.

      My Aunty had issues conceiving and after 11 years with IVF she finally conceived twins with the help of donor eggs. She explored the idea of adoption with her ex husband but he couldn’t agree to parenting a child that wasn’t his. But they were told that it would be a 10 year wait for an Australian child (by then they would have cracked the age limit for adoptive parents) and 4 years for an overseas child.

      I understand that there also is a HUGE problem with adopting overseas kids. You can’t allow it to be a willy nilly system open to corruption and child trafficking. Also there are cultural issues if you adopt a child from another culture. I know Sri Lanka pretty much restricts adoption to overseas Sri Lankans for cultural reasons. They prefer both parents to be Sri Lankan too - so even if you are Australian and your spouse is Sri Lankan your application may be overlooked for a Sri Lankan couple

      I would definitely adopt if the process wasn’t so hard. It’s not cheap either! $10000 for a baby from Ethiopia. Amazing.

    • maus says:

      08:32am | 19/04/11

      Why should we listen to the arguments of someone who has a designer dog shipped from Sydney to Tas? What’s wrong with the local RSPCA?

    • marley says:

      09:17am | 19/04/11

      Well, it’s kind of the same issue, isn’t it.  Surrogacy to get the child with the genes you want, or adoption to get the child that needs a home.  There’s an ethical link there somewhere between getting the purebred dog from three states away, and taking a mutt from the local shelter.  Personally, I’d be a lot more comfortable morally with improving adoption laws instead of ones on surrogacy.  Give existing kids in need a chance at a better life, rather than worrying about hypothetical future kids.

    • Sarah says:

      10:27am | 19/04/11

      If you have ever tried to adopt, your better on trying for surrogacy. I know from experience that adoption is hard. And considering the massive reduction in unwanted babies due to higher abortion rates, there aren’t that many to choose from either. My friend has had a girl in her custody for 4 years, the mother is in a mental hospital from too much drug use and the father is in jail. She still cannot adopt the child, she can only be the foster parent until the child is 18 and then the child can choose. Adoption is so difficult and wrapped up in red tape; they should spend their time resolving adoption laws.

    • Kika says:

      01:05pm | 19/04/11

      Also Sarah there is also no more social taboo about being a single Mum that a lot of women who in the past would have adopted their babies out now can keep them. They’re even paid to keep them by Centrelink!

    • deb says:

      08:34am | 19/04/11

      so what happened to the puppy?

    • TJ says:

      09:24am | 19/04/11

      who are the parents? the ones whose dna the child carries. if you implant a surrogate with the egg and sperm of someone else then the surrogate is just an incubator, they’re only the oven cooking the baby.

      what’s the big deal? should we deny loving people who are depserate for a child, but for some reason cannot carry to full term, from having one? in that case if we are going to take away people’s choices then we may as well steralize the drug addicts and booze heads and the ones who are not ft from procreating

    • Von says:

      09:41am | 19/04/11

      The last sentence says of the piece says it all. So often the rights of children are overlooked and in this case it will be the identity of parents which will affect the child’s sense of identity, very significant for adoptees, also for the ‘gestational products’ of ART.We need to remember that children have no choices.

    • Elphaba says:

      09:57am | 19/04/11

      I don’t have any problem with surrogacy.  If the child is belongs genetically 100% to the parents, and the woman carrying the child has entered the agreement fully aware that she has no claim over the child, then their should be no ethical or legal dilemma.

      I agree with AJ - untangle the adoption process in Australia, but don’t prevent people from seeking paid surrogacy overseas.  That’s just underestimating how badly some people want a child.

      I’d be a surrogate in a heartbeat for someone in my family who was unable to carry a baby.

    • fairsfair says:

      11:26am | 19/04/11

      Hmm, I don’t think I entirely agree with you on this one Elphaba.

      The old “posession being 9/10s of the law” and all that. I know that is not an actual legal statistic but if the surrogate decided to keep the baby mid pregnancy, their is potential for a massive legal stoush.  People change their minds (regularly) and I don’t know how that could be catered for in legislation. Just like, what if the “parents” split and decide they no longer want the child. What happens there? Do they have to take it?

      I do agree with you on the adoption comment. I think it terrible that there are children there, desiring parents and the system can’t get its shit together. Nicole Kidman is the multi-mother. She has adopted, she has birthed and now she has used a surrogate. If there was another way to have a child I am sure she’d have a crack at it. I don’t know how that sits with me though. I don’t think children should be acquired like cars. New, used and special order.

      Also, who is the ideal surrogate? Someone like you and me who have not had a child of our own and therefore unfamiliar with the experience of pregnancy and birth. Are people like us less likely to reneg or are we more likely to be unable to handle the emotion and hormones? Same goes for women who have already had their family. Are they less or more likely to be unable to let go of a child that they have carried in their womb for 42 weeks? I don’t think I could do it.

    • Elphaba says:

      11:53am | 19/04/11

      @fairsfair, I can’t see how a woman can have a claim on the baby if genetically, it’s not hers.  If the baby has the two genetic parents making the claim for it, then the ‘gestational carrier’ should have no claim to it.  Which she would know, if she entered the situation with all the facts.

      It just means that releases need to be drawn up, and all parties need to be sufficiently counseled.  I don’t think Australia should go down the road of paid surrogacy (too many loopholes), but I can’t see why contracts can’t be drawn up between people who legitimately want to help others.

      I just think the desire to have a child drives people in directions I couldn’t possibly understand.  I’d prefer to see ministers getting actively involved in legislating options, rather than bleating about how ‘unnatural’ it is.

      I can’t speak for other people, I can only speak for myself, and what I would do - which is why surrogacy needs to be a personal decision, and not something farmed out for profit.

    • Muttley says:

      12:11pm | 19/04/11

      there is a case going on in the UK at the moment where a surrogate changed her mind, got custody AND ongoing maintence payments from the father of the child. We are entering very dangerous territory that will invariably overlap into family law.
        I dont recall too many cases where custody was disputed and it did not end in favour of the surrogate.

    • Kika says:

      12:54pm | 19/04/11

      I’ve also heard of a story where an Australian couple paid an Indian lady to be surrogate for their child. The Indian lady’s husband couldn’t cope with the thought her wife was pregnant with another couple’s child and made her get an abortion. The Aussie couple were devastated, but there was nothing they could do.

      If you carry a child for 9 months and your body goes through all those changes, experiences and you can feel that little baby living inside you depending on you for life how could you not bond with it?

    • Sad Sad Reality says:

      10:12am | 19/04/11

      Children aren’t handbags.

    • AliceC says:

      10:59am | 19/04/11

      Great observation, so what’s your point?

    • fairsfair says:

      11:13am | 19/04/11

      They are not an accessory and we shouldn’t be “purchasing” them?

      Just taking a punt there.

    • Kika says:

      12:50pm | 19/04/11

      LOTS of people treat them as such regardless of how they got them!!

    • Kika says:

      01:03pm | 19/04/11

      In the olden days, childless women were simply known as ‘barren’. Therein lay her title and that she remained.

      Now, with our advanced medical technologies we can do something about that. We can create life where in the past we couldn’t. Either by IVF or surrogacy we can make someone a parent when it nature they probably wouldn’t have been.

      Being parents these days is not a privilege - it is a RIGHT. People moan and complain about not being able to have children and blame the world for them not being able to be a parent, so demand medical science to make them a parent whether nature intended them to be one or not. What about the child? What has the child got to say about it? They are the voiceless ones in the whole situation.

      And if the author is not so much in favour of surrogacy and particularly commercial surrogacy arrangements, they already happen. How else do gay and lesbian people become parents? I have heard whispers that a couple was awaiting some money to hit their bank account before a certain arrangement was made. What if something terrible happened in that situation there would be no legal recourse for one of the parents because what they did was apparently illegal.

      Therefore all I can say is that we’re so all consumed with our rights to be parents that we forget about the actual children involved and what their rights are.

    • Outraged says:

      08:17pm | 19/04/11

      Having children is not a “Right”!

      If you can’t naturally conceive a child…then that is your lot in life!

      I saw a fascinating episode of Oprah once that spoke with children who were created using IVF or Sperm Donors…and now the babies had grown-up, they had major psychological problems about their conception! Some of the kids said they felt like monsters or “products” because they had been “created” in some petri dish…all because a selfish woman decided she “must” have a baby by playing God!

    • Tom says:

      09:56pm | 22/04/11

      “If you can’t naturally conceive a child…then that is your lot in life!”

      Are you kidding me? So if you’re born short sighted dont get glasses to help you see, if you have kidney failure dont accept a new one….and if infertile then dont have kids? I bet there are masses of things you were blessed with naturally but it hasnt crossed your mind to just accept it as your ‘lot in life’. What colour is your hair naturally- as God intended??
      One rule for you and another for everyone else?

      Actually research has shown that children born through IVF etc can be raised with more warmth etc than ‘natural’ mothers. Possibly because they were so wanted.
      Nothing selfish about a yearning to be a parent. What is selfish is having children when not emotionally or financially ready and not allowing them to know where they come from biologically- or meet their bio parent/s.

      If in Australia adoption wasnt so difficult- and absolutely impossible if not straight and married- then people wouldnt need to turn to alternatives.
      Or do you think people would be ‘selfish’ to want to adopt as well, if infertile?

      Judgmental comments like the one above are so frustrating. It isnt a black and white issue- and the main issues adults of assisted reproduction have were because in those days anonymous donations were the ‘norm’ and parents were told to hide this info from their children. Children want to know where they come from- imagine how distressing not knowing the truth about your origins. Children who are told early however- and who have access to info- feel far more secure about themselves. Many children now being born through donation etc are being able to meet their ‘donor dad’ early on as there are private arrangements being made. eg through the sperm donation site DIY Baby/ FSDW. People are realising that children have a right to know their bio parents as well as social ones- and are working out solutions outside of the ‘system’.

      The main issue in all of this is the children- and how our decisions affect them.
      And that as much as there are issues relating to assisted reproduction there are also major issues for many, many children born ‘naturally’. Many children who know their biological parents have major psychological issues also. Parenting affects children- regardless of how they were conceived. And some parents who are not able to do so naturally can make far better ones.

      Bottom line though- we need to focus far more on the children and what they need- far more on the actual people raising them, rather than how they were created in the first place.

 

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