Another year; another Closing the Gap Prime Minister’s report. More statistical improvements at the margins but the core issues evaded and unaddressed. For the next ten years we could deliver the same speeches with little material change on the ground.

Do you reckon this is good news, Mick? Pic: Ray Strange

That’s because three things remain unaddressed. Australia fails to apply activity requirements for work in remote Australia like we do everywhere else. We also fail to apply state law and prosecute parents who refuse to send their children to school. Last, our welfare reforms have hobbled into the third wave of ‘trials and pilots’ because Canberra prefers talking tough over being tough on welfare.

Australia has struggled for decades with Aboriginal exceptionalism; the argument finessed by John Altman which casts any move to stimulate a real economy as a western assault on the romanticised traditional life. This view insists on an impossible world of welfare without work, on the grounds that First Australians are fundamentally different to the rest of us.

Ministers Snowdon and Macklin are devotees of this view, locked into an unceasing vortex of larger and more elaborate aid programs for Aboriginal Australia.

Pearson was the first to unflinchingly challenge ‘welfare world’ in 2007 and the Coalition subscribed overnight. His Cape York family responsibility commissions combine counselling and financial empowerment with income management as the last resort. In places like Aurukun, positive social norms like protecting and schooling your kids, paying rent and staying out of trouble have driven school attendance since 2007 from 43 per cent to over 70 per cent and rising.

The missing link in Pearson’s work is work itself. His Cape York trial stands as immutable evidence that without real jobs, welfare reform can only get us so far. It shows us that the next welfare dollar is best devoted to getting people into real jobs; wherever they are.

The famed Whitehall studies show the influence of work on health. Lack of work makes us sick and harms our children’s future. In the pre-European era, every Aboriginal adult pitched in. White man then offered rations for work. Next came ‘welfare world’ where unconditional cash crowded out capability and opportunity.

Aboriginal Australia may one day deserve a second apology; not just for our first mistakes but for our socialist solutions which followed.

School attendance is utterly necessary but completely insufficient to turn this all around. First, Joe Sparling’s work with vulnerable kids shows much of the damage is wrought prior to kids even getting to school. Second, kids model older dysfunctional teens and parents, so we expect too much that remote schools can turn things around while teens, young parents and the entire adult population are disengaged. Last, we are entering the third Aboriginal generation on mass welfare, and with it the terrifying prospect that no one living can recall anything but the cargo cult and the faux economy.

At the heart of Australia’s failure is making welfare the cultural default rather than individual exception. Paying entire communities comfort money preserves dysfunction into perpetuity. Grant and royalty money too often corrodes kinship and pits rent-seeking families against each other. At the same time, intensive Centrelink case-management allows cash to tear families apart from within with humbug.

Relatives frisking the disabled for cash is just one appalling consequence of mass welfare quarantine.

That is why the big challenge is getting all working-age adults to work. Massive mining operations have created more low-skill jobs than there are working-age Aboriginal adults to fill them. Ending central Australia’s supply-side problem of no jobs has exposed the horrible reality that welfare makes taking a job unattractive. This is the fault of neither Aboriginal Australia nor mining companies; government created these perverse distortions and only government can undo them.

The first step is to work with kinship structures to include senior family members in workforce participation plans for family. Elders, not Centrelink case-officers should be re-motivating youth to acquire basic living skills and functional literacy. But like the rest of the world, this process can’t be opt-in.

Unless incapacitated or a carer, anyone in Australia walking away from real work opportunities has no right to unconditional welfare. Presented with clear choices, Aboriginal Australians can like the rest of us, make those choices about when family and culture trumps work commitments.

Ultimately, young Aboriginal workers will have to choose freely between scarce jobs in communities, orbiting for project or mining work or relocating to towns. That is how the world works. Many may negotiate to live and work in groups or be accompanied by supervising elders. Ultimately, the free market should decide where you live, not where someone builds you a free house.

There are plenty of policy carrots for work like flexible arrangements, travel support and concessions to return home in emergencies. Planning ahead for absences needs to be rewarded. But the single most important policy shift is away from numerator thinking; where we hand-pick the keenest black faces for opportunities, to a denominator approach where no one is left behind.

Filling remote communities with public housing and public service providers won’t close the gap. Working age people who are neither primary care givers or incapacitated must be at work or move to find it.

Only then will all kids go to school.

Welfare reform so far has been glacial, as has been partnering with mining to employ the entire remote Australian working age cohort. Only a full-frontal attack on the do-nothing option can end the despondency of a million and one excuses.

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    • Erick says:

      05:29am | 16/02/12

      This article proposes a practical, compassionate, and reasoned approach to solving many of the problems that confront Aboriginal people.

      It will therefore be condemned as racist.

    • Super D says:

      06:17am | 16/02/12

      It needn’t be and should apply equally to all welfare communities. For some reason it’s seen as necessary to keep dysfunctional welfare families close together for the sake of the dysfunctional welfare community. There is no reason why grown welfare children need to be given public housing near their welfare parents. After all we don’t care if kids growing up in point piper can’t afford to live a street away from their parents even if this does reduce the. community.

    • Mahhrat says:

      07:01am | 16/02/12

      Erick: I hope not, because I agree, it’s a good piece about actually helping people, not simply throwing money at them.

      The biggest problem in “selling” such a program is getting people to understand that those with generational welfare dependence - of any race - really and truly do not have the social education or skills required to hold down permanent jobs.

      They literally just don’t get it.  I see it with some of the complex clients where I work - they’re not bad people, they know they have a problem, but they don’t have the skills needed to fix it.  They come to us for help, and we have to be very, very careful when teaching them, because they have lifelong and deep-rooted mistrust of authority and conformity.

    • Erick says:

      07:37am | 16/02/12

      Andrew Laming has suggested that we treat Aborigines the same way we treat everyone else. You can’t get much more racist than that!

    • Tina says:

      07:45am | 16/02/12

      A great article but like Erick I think it will be condemned as racist.

      I sometimes wonder why we cannot solve this problem when we have people that can think in a sensible practical way for the betterment of this country.

      Yes our indigenous people are different, so is Gina Rinehart and Clive Palmer but does this government have to single them out to be used as a political tool? It is obvious that our indigenous people look different, they have a different culture and now have to survive in a western world. It is not easy for them. It is also obvious that in any country we have the rich people like Rinehart and Palmer who not unless they have a good business sense are able to accumulate wealth. With their wealth they are able to employ thousands of Australians and make good profits. The government if they were smart would use these wealthy people to advance the well being of our indigenous people. I see nothing wrong in being different as long as we take it into account and deal with it in the sense that without us they wouldn’t be having the problems we are facing today.

      In saying the above, until we respect and feel proud that we have one of the oldest race here in Australia we will not have the right solution to this national problem.

      Too much emphasizes is placed on education for a good job and becoming responsible for one’s well being. As an Australian with a Pacific Islander background the emphasizes was keeping the family together and holding on to good moral values passed down from our elders. With this in mind it was only naturally that to survive in the western world one had to have a good education to obtain a good paying for the future. We weren’t all academics, some of us had menial jobs but we remained focused, proud and respected each other. Today, I still send money to add a bit of luxury to the lives of family members!

    • subotic says:

      08:07am | 16/02/12

      Next thing you know they’ll be wanting all Australians, regardless of race, colour or origin to be equal. As if everyone being equal and united will solve anything.

      Pffffft….

    • SimonFromLakemba says:

      08:23am | 16/02/12

      Casting aspersions there a bit.

      Nice work.

    • acotrel says:

      09:17am | 16/02/12

      @Tina
      ‘good business sense are able to accumulate wealth’

      You mean ‘arse beats class’ ?  Gina and Clive weren’t singled out until their greed became apparent.

    • Tina says:

      10:03am | 16/02/12

      acotrel

      Like Julia Gillard and the bad government she leads you must change your mindset if you want this nation to prosper.

      We all know the reason she singles out these two very wealthy Australians, it is not because of what you think but because they have the mindset of the vast majority of Australians and the party that is better dealing with that mindset is the party that Tony Abbott leads.

      Like Julia Gillard who is now desperately struggling her way out of the deep muck she has got herself into you need to change you mindset for the betterment of this country and all its people.

    • kev says:

      10:48am | 16/02/12

      Your comment is absolute gold because sadly it is true. Every time I read of a government solution to help Aboriginal communities it is almost always met with an ad hominem response which usually causes the government to run and put on kiddy gloves for fear of being burned by someone who wants to play the race card. There is a solution out there and what it needs is reasonable and objective analysis to accurately determine if it works. Not some self serving tool who is looking to score cheap political points by labeling any solution as racist.

    • Robert Smissen of Rural SA says:

      08:17pm | 16/02/12

      How do you equate greed to good business sense, not to mention to risk your capital. The haves & the have nots can be divided into the dids & did nots. Gina & Clive are both rich because they worked

    • Andrew says:

      12:55am | 17/02/12

      s(r)ambo, maybe you’ll like to tell me what welfare farmers are getting, because I’ll be %^$#@#v if Im getting any. We are one of the few countries in the world that dont subsidise farmers (and no I dont think we should be subsidised). Also a bit of difference between subsidising businesses which actually add something to the economy and subsidising welfare that only entrenches more welfare.

    • andye says:

      01:16am | 17/02/12

      so did anyone actually condemn it as racist? it seemed pretty balanced to me. who are you guys all arguing with?

    • Hoob says:

      05:31am | 16/02/12

      You get off welfare, by getting off your arse. 

      Anything else is just excuses.

    • acotrel says:

      06:42am | 16/02/12

      I hope somebody reminds you of your comment if our mortgage belt collapses through massive job losses. ’ There but for the grace of God .... ?
      I’m aboard - pull up the ladder ?

    • Little Joe says:

      07:48am | 16/02/12

      Acotrel is alive!!!!

      We missed all your comments on ‘Julia’s honesty when stabbing Rudd in the back.”

    • acotrel says:

      08:15am | 16/02/12

      @Little Joe
      She topppled him, how is that backstabbing ? Backstabbing is what Malcolm Fraser did when he got to John Kerr ahead of Whitlam ! When she did that to Kevin Rudd she looked him right in the eyes !

    • Tubesteak says:

      09:05am | 16/02/12

      I agree, Hoob.

      We need to instill in all school children via the school curriculum that the only choice you have in life is working for a living. You are there at school to start your education to get you into uni or get a trade. There are certain vocations where you can earn a good living and each child should target one of these whilst they are still in school. They should be trained for jobs that exist in the 21st century not latter 19th century jobs.

      Too much have our schools become little more than daycare centres where little of real value is taught. Too much we have the softly softly do what you feel and enjoy approach. Schools should be preparing kids for life and that is 30-50 years of working to earn a living

      We should also teach kids that it may be necessary to move for work. Moving to the capital cities to begin your career should be seen as par for course

      Finally I wouldn’t worry too much about what acotrel says. He proved himself an economic illiterate the other day when he thought it was nearly impossible to earn $100k

    • Govt@FauxCitizen says:

      09:29am | 16/02/12

      @ Acotrel, Gillard looked Rudd in the eyes after the knives were stuck in his back from the previous week/s to tell him his fate,  and virtualy said ,” Now Kevin it’s this simple, if you’re a good sport about this we’ll even give you your dream job, then we’ll take out the knives and put ointment on the wounds, but you’ve gotta keep your big cakehole shut OK”
      Proof of that is Hillary Clinton and Kim Beazly who knew 2 weeks prior that Gillard was manouvering towards her ambitions.

      I also am so sick and tired of hearing about “the dismissal”, the people had their chance to re-instate Whitlam but chose wisely instead on no less than two occasions kicking his ideological pompous arrogant arse into oblivion where it truly belongs.
      And just for the record I thought Fraser was as pompous and arrogant as Whitlam and almost as useless.
      Unlike you I’m not blinded by loyalty for the party to see the full truth, you should try it some time.

    • Little Joe says:

      09:37am | 16/02/12

      Yes Acotrel,

      Gillard looked Rudd in the eyes for two weeks ..... while telling Australia that it was never going to happen.

      Kerr’s mess was his own because he was so weak ..... he should never have taken down Whitlam no matter how pathetic his Government was!!!! They believe that in less than an hour supply would have been secured. But I do enjoy the little deflection away forom the immorality of our Prime Minister.

    • jade (the other one) says:

      10:50am | 16/02/12

      @Tubesteak - I agree with much of what you have said with regard to teaching children that work is what matters.

      So does the school system. That’s why they have school-based apprenticeships, vocational subjects which provide RPL for TAFE, and uni-link programs allowing high achieving students to begin university early.

      However, moving to the capital cities for work is quite frankly, useless. There are very few jobs available in urban areas. There are plenty in rural and remote farming communities.

    • S(r)ambo says:

      11:05am | 16/02/12

      yeah lets stop the welfare to the farmers, lets stop the welfare to the miners, how about all the private industry leeching of public land, and the real Aboriginal industry, the thousands of non Aborignals making a good living while on holiday, they have a failure rate of 100% and nothings getting better,  stop the government welfare of forced land aqusition to mine, and the dirt cheap water entitlements, the list goes on and on and on, just cut the welfare to any person or company trying to make a million dollars, to sensible, by all means take the welfare away and replace it with licences to gain economic benefits like all the cattle graziers or bee keepers or individual miners like the rest of Aus, whats good for one is good for all, or we are hypocrites

    • Ron E Coote says:

      05:10pm | 16/02/12

      Again, ignorance.
      They’re not lazy. They’re not making excuses. Until you can frame your views with at least some effort to understand their cultural, social, and spiritual reality then you would do well to keep a lid on it.
      Tubesteak, by suggesting a move from their country (true blackfellas are as closely tied to their country as they are to their families) to get “work” is again, and I’m sorry if it comes across as a bit pious, ignorant of who these people really are. Real people, real Australian people who are so grossly misunderstood by mainstream white society (myself included) that it is utterly shameful. That they are dying out as a direct result of our ignorance and in many cases pointed indefference is nothing short of a national disgrace.

    • Robert Smissen of country SA says:

      08:30pm | 16/02/12

      Acotel, you must have one hell of a “toker” in the 70s, Sir John Kerr gave Whitlam the sack whilst acting as Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth, our Queen’s representiive in Oz because he was going to sell us off to the Arabs via his little mate Khemlani, nothing to do with Fraser

    • Fiddler says:

      05:51am | 16/02/12

      I totally support the concepts in this, however a large percentage of the aboriginal population (I deal with them lots) are so far gone that they will never be able to work. Someone who is in their thirties who has never worked and think life revolves around drinking, visiting relatives in another town and drinking with them and simply does not have to social skills to actually do what they are told by a boss will never be able to work.

      Sky-fairies are not real and the argument about their link to the land is crap. There is no magical link, it is simply their comfort zone. Live in a remote community and there is no work? Simple move and get a job. I am glad that some of this stuff is simply being printed, ten or even five years ago it never would have happened. Maybe in another fifteen years these ideas will be allowed to be said in parliament.

    • Nathan says:

      06:42am | 16/02/12

      @Fiddle
      I think the point you made about some being to far gone is spot on. I tend to think at that point its important to make sure the next generation doesn’t repeat the cycle and being PC about it hurts more than it helps.

      I would agree that Aboriginals have been treated poorly and where owed an apology but what happens now? The cycle needs to be broken and being nice about does nothing, take the cash away from parents and put it into programs that reward school attendance as an example. Roll models outside of sport within local communities are desperately needed

    • acotrel says:

      06:46am | 16/02/12

      @Fiddler
      ’ Simple move and get a job.’

      So all the aborigines in remote areas should move en masse to Sydney , so they can maintain their support group and get work ?

    • Fiddler says:

      07:25am | 16/02/12

      @acotrel or, they can act like responsible human beings. I do not live in the same place I was born and grew up. I got a job and moved.

      There is plenty of work around, they choose to stay where they are.

    • marley says:

      07:29am | 16/02/12

      @acotrel - well, it sure isn’t working for them in remote areas, now is it.  And for a lot of them, the “support groups” back home are the last thing they need.

    • thatmosis says:

      07:59am | 16/02/12

      Ignore acotrel, he never has anything worth reading or makes a commment that is worth answering and usually somewhere he will slip in that its Abbotts fault no matter what the subject.
        I think its a great idea for the next generation to be made to work. Not only Aboriginal but all people receiving Government assistance to live. There are jobs going begging in the mining area but for some reason, be it lazyness or just plain dont give a stuff mentality people who are on the dole arent applying themselves to get this work.
        It should be made compulsary for work for the dole and people may finally get the idea theres no such thing as a free ride like they are having now and actually get off their arses and get out and get a job.  If they have to reloctae then so be it, thousands now fly in fly out to better themselves so whats the difference.

    • SimonFromLakemba says:

      08:33am | 16/02/12

      @All

      Its not just Aborigines, its all indigenous people around the world. Our problem with Aboriginals here is seen in South America, Canada, New Zealand so we aren’t unique here. We as white people don’t have an attachment to the land, the only ones you could say are Farmer’s, how often do you seem them pack up everything and leave? rarely.

      Agree with the premiss of the article in suggesting welfare basically has to go, being from the country myself with a large Aboriginal population its going to be hard work as the problem is the Aboriginals are in a cycle, their dads drink, their parents didn’t go to school and they had no incentives to.

    • gobsmack says:

      08:43am | 16/02/12

      Most jobs are in capital cities and large towns.
      The idea of the Aboriginal population moving en masse to Sydney,  Melbourne and the other capital cities sounds good in theory but I wonder how many people here would welcome an Aboriginal family as next-door neighbours.

    • marley says:

      09:30am | 16/02/12

      @Simon of Lakemba - I agree that Australia is not unique in having an aboriginal culture that is struggling to find its place in western society.  That said, aboriginal peoples in other countries are doing somewhat better than here, and we need to ask ourselves why that is, what we can learn from those other countries, and what our Aborigines can learn from their counterparts elsewhere.  The solution to this cannot lie entirely with “us” - it has to lie with the Aborigines as well.  They need to take responsibility for organising themselves to form an effective lobby group which actually has a mandate to speak for all Aborigines:  at the moment, no one can legitimately claim to represent Aborigines as a people in dealing with governments, state, territorial or federal.  And that is why we get top down solutions with insufficient consultation and input.

    • Ben C says:

      09:43am | 16/02/12

      @ gobsmack

      “I wonder how many people here would welcome an Aboriginal family as next-door neighbours.”

      If they were hardworking and sociable, and not causing trouble, why not? I’d only have a problem if they were living off welfare and pissing their days away.

    • Little Joe says:

      09:45am | 16/02/12

      @ Acotrel

      Are these the same support groups that get them addicted to drugs, tobacco and alcohol ..... tell them it’s OK not to go to school, to steal, to destroy public property, not to get a job, live on welfare .....

      Knew a young aboriginal boy who had great talent in Rugby League ..... was on a scholarship in Brisbane ...... when he was around 15 he went home. His ‘support group’ convinced him to stay home and live on welfare ..... we never saw him again.

      Don’t worry we have the same support goups in white communities too.

      Don’t worry ..... I have seen the same suport

    • Fiddler says:

      09:46am | 16/02/12

      @gobsmack. There are a lot where I live and many ppl don’t like having them for neighbours. The reasons generally are the noise (parties on every night of the week until ridiculous hours followed by domestics in the street) fifteen people living in a house and the fact that the lawn is never mown

    • Fots says:

      10:27am | 16/02/12

      “So all the aborigines in remote areas should move en masse to Sydney , so they can maintain their support group and get work ? “

      If jobs in their current area are gone, then yes they should move to find work.
      You can’t cry poor if you haven’t tried to do something about it.

    • Kipling says:

      06:12am | 16/02/12

      Real provision of welfare would be addressing ALL of the percieved problems and social issues. Interestingly, all of the problems raised are not specifically just problems in the Aboriginal community. We have our own “welfare dependent” sector and it is significant.

      Of course, that which we generally refer to as welfare is simply throwing money at a problem in the hope it will go away and, as is consistent with our species idiodicy, despite clear evidence that throwing money at the problem simply makes it a bigger and more expensive problem we contiue to throw money at the problem.

      Seriously well conceived programs that facilitate genuine skills development, promote healthy living, support realistic and genuinely nurturing family environments would actually be provision of welfare.

      Perhaps before we blame, punish and target others we need to look closely and critically at what it is we actually do and make some changes ourselves.

      The irony i find darkly humerous in all of this is that the most significant damage white people have done to Aborginal people has been through inflicting our brand of help on them, rather than actually asking what it is that might be needed and facilitating changes appropriate to both Aboriginal people and reconciliation with white fellas. Monty Python write this stuff…

    • Super D says:

      06:19am | 16/02/12

      Our next but one Prime Minister, Tony Abbott, gave a fantastic speech on this topic yesterday.

    • Nathan says:

      06:50am | 16/02/12

      I am not a fan of Abbott but i would have to say he was spot on in this one. He actually speaks with passion on the topic and believe he is sincere on this topic something in my opinion at least you don’t see him do often enough.

    • acotrel says:

      06:50am | 16/02/12

      Did he mention that the aboriginal tent embassy is no longer relevant ?

    • Erick says:

      07:52am | 16/02/12

      @acotrel - According to the Aboriginal Tent Embassy, Tony Abbott is the Deputy Prime Minister of Australia.

      They’re definitely very relevant!

    • Super D says:

      08:13am | 16/02/12

      @aco - he didnt need to. The embassy has the same political significance as the occupy protests.

    • acotrel says:

      09:20am | 16/02/12

      @SuperD
      ‘Let them eat cake ’ ? Do you consider yourself to be a risk conscious person ?

    • Fiddler says:

      11:47am | 16/02/12

      @acotrel, what are you suggesting that we should expect violence from aboriginal activists for daring to disagree with them on how our tax dollars are spent? If that is the case it shows how much sunlight this issue really needs

    • Ron E Coote says:

      06:44am | 16/02/12

      Just got off a plane in from Groote Eyelandt. After having spent more than a year up North in and around the Aboriginal communities I would say Andrew’s take on it is pretty close to the money.
      Millions upon millions of dollars are thrown at this gulf between our two cultures with little or no effect, other than to keep those that service this industry in a job.
      The blackfellas are caught in this precarious position of belonging to a primative culture, which has been engulfed by the white man’s way. And the white man’s way is killing them and their culture. There can be no going back on two hundred years of occupation, and the way forward for them is mired in health and social issues which seem certain to consume them, from my perspective at least.
      I used to think these people were lazy bludgers, too spoilt and pandered to to help themselves, but it’s not really like that.
      No easy answers, that’s for sure.

    • SimonFromLakemba says:

      08:45am | 16/02/12

      Interesting post, what would you suggest just coming back from there?

    • Janey says:

      09:57am | 16/02/12

      I am glad you recognise the effect of whitefella culture on Indigenous people Ron.  Whitefellas expect Aboriginal people in the bush (non urban) to understand and manage mainstream society in a capital city, yet not many whitefellas understand Indigenous culture. 

      This is a major disadvantage for Indigenous people trying to ‘get off their arse and get a job’ as another commenter put it. The people are, at this point in time, caught between two worlds with the only way out being education of the children of today.

      Perhaps consider the views of Indigenous people on the benefits of whitefella education in the 1970’s in NE Arnhemland, and how some Yolngu people successfully straddled two worlds.

      http://www.yyf.com.au/content_images/attachments/Dhupuma_Credits.pdf

      And the abrupt closure of the college because the government couldn’t be ‘arsed’.

      http://www.yyf.com.au/content_images/attachments/Dhupuma_NTLegislativeAssemblyReasonsforCollegeclosure.pdf

    • Little Joe says:

      10:57am | 16/02/12

      @ Janey

      “Whitefella Culture” provides welfare that the “Indigenous Culture” is addicted to!!!

      “Whitefella Culture” provides housing in remote areas at three times the price as urban areas that the “Indigenous Culture” demands.

    • Fiddler says:

      11:56am | 16/02/12

      Janey, what Indigenous culture are you referring to (I note you refer to whitefella culture, but nor blackfella culture) Forty thousand years with no written language? Didn’t even come up with the wheel?

      I feel embarrassed when I hear people say that there was a rich cultural history pre white settlement. No there wasn’t. Europe has a rich cultural history, Asia has a rich cultural history. Aboriginal Australia? No. And don’t try and say I know nothing of it, I had them forcing it down my throat at school every year from year three to year ten. It could have been covered in a few lessons. They didn’t have a culture, they had a lifestyle.
      No, I’m not trolling

    • James1 says:

      12:35pm | 16/02/12

      Really, Fiddler?  They had a social structure, they had social practices, they had artistic traditions and musical traditions, they had modes of dress and traditions around the decoration of the person, they had a religion complete with myths and legends explaining the origin of the things around them.  These are the fundamentals of culture.  In that sense, they had a culture just as much as the ancient Greeks did.  Would you say the Greeks only had a lifestyle?  Cultures are not characterised by inventing the wheel or written language.

      On what grounds do you say that Europe and Asia had a culture, but the Aborigines didn’t?  I think what you actually mean is that you do not like pre-settlement Aboriginal culture, or that you do not find its manifestations aesthetically pleasing or interesting.  I don’t either (although I do like some Aboriginal art), but I would not reject the various manifestations of Aboriginal culture as “lifestyle”. 

      I’m not saying it was an advanced or modern culture, but it fits the definition of culture nonetheless.  Do deny this is to deny reality.  To say the Aborigines had no culture, one must say that no one has ever had culture.

    • Janey says:

      01:14pm | 16/02/12

      Wow Fiddler you really need to take a chill pill.  You certainly revealed your feelings when you refer to education on Australian Aboriginals as being forced down your throat.  I never learned anything at school about the Indigenous people who lived in the bush not far from the mining town I grew up in.

      The Indigenous culture I provided links for is Yolngu culture.
      Not sure if you know much about them, but googling the Yirrkala Bark Petition may help your education of ‘blackfellas’.  Not that I am trying to force it down your throat of course.

      Have a nice day.

    • Fiddler says:

      01:35pm | 16/02/12

      @Janey, nope can’t be bothered, because there really is nothing to see there. Name one significant historical event prior to settlement which occurred?

      *crickets chirping

    • James1 says:

      01:50pm | 16/02/12

      I suggest you look into the difference between “invention”, “history” and “culture” before commenting further, Fiddler.  These words mean different things, yet you seem to use them interchangeably.

    • Mark G says:

      02:51pm | 16/02/12

      Fiddler,

      You mean whitefella historical events like:

      Vietnam war, Korean war, WW2, WW1, Boer war, American civil war, American war of independence, Indian wars, the conquistadors, the Napoleonic wars, the English civil war, The Spanish armada, the 100 years war, the Norman invasion, the viking raiders, the myriad of Roman and Greek wars….......

      Are you starting to see a trend in white fella history? Asia is not much better with dragon emperors, Mongol invaders and samurai. As a whitefella I can certainly see some honour in the fact that Aboriginal culture has had little that we would class as a significant historical event in thousands of years. That’s actually not such a bad thing.

    • Fiddler says:

      03:57pm | 16/02/12

      @Mark, dispense with the noble savage idea. They had brutal practices amongst their tribes and violence was commonplace between them. My point stands that there is nothing interesting about their history and all the “welcome to country” ceremonies, art exhibitions and force feeding the stuff to kids at school will change that.

    • Ron E Coote says:

      04:53pm | 16/02/12

      Sorry, been away all day. Thanks for the replies everyone. Even you Fiddler.
      I’ve had my eyes opened in my time up North, and I can tell you Fiddler, it’s exactly the type of ignorance you so openly display about the race that has inhabited this continent for thousands of years before “advanced” cultures came knocking at the door that has led to the place we find ourselves today. I truly dispair that the mostly white aboriginal activists, with their aggressive, apparently selfish, and belligerent attitudes to other “white” people have tainted the wider community view to the plight of their true Aboriginal cousins living in squalor without any of the social advantage claimed and arrogantly paraded by people as closely related to true Aboriginal culture as I am to my distant Irish/Anglo roots. Self-interest will make some people do, and say just about anything it seems.
      I’ve never considered myself a bleeding heart, but it’s truly bloody tragic to see the way these people live in remote communities. They’re trapped, and there seems to me no other way to put it. The violence, and dysfunction we see reported are mostly symptoms of a greater problem.
      There are very many complex issues all rolled into one here, and we owe it to them to do what we can to help. We really do. And if it takes what many see as a disproportionate level of resources to achieve even a small difference for them, then that is what we are obliged to do. We made that deal the day we whitefellas set foot on Australian soil and claimed it as our own.

    • Trevor says:

      04:53pm | 16/02/12

      I have to agree with Fiddler here, as un-PC as it is. As mentioned above, political correctness is having a devastating effect on the Aborigines.

      I clearly remember being taught in primary school that the blackfellas down on the Victorian Goldfields particulalry liked to eat the chinese workers down there as they could string them up for gutting by their que (ponytail). I thoguht nothing of it other than ‘how interesting, I suppose that makes sense. Most other cultures had periods of cannibalism in them too’.

      Yet several years ago there was a furore when Pauline Hanson allluded to the fact that their was cannibalism amongst indigeneous culture! I’m not that old, so it shows how quickly political correctness can rewrite history.

      I also have a commemorative copy of a diary from the first fleet. One of the the earliest observations of the locals went along the line of ‘unlike the white man, the sole aim of an antogonist engaged in fisticuffs is the taking of the life of the protagonist.’

      I doubt this will even be published!

    • carolyn says:

      07:17am | 16/02/12

      Very good article Andrew,  I am impressed and completely and totally agree with your analysis.
      Only one quibble - what successive governments have done in, and to, Aboriginal communities, totally destroying them over the past 50-60 years with welfare handouts, hardly qualifies as “socialist”. Even in socialist theory, and societies that call/ed themselves “socialist”, people were expected to put in in order to get out. No, I think as you say, this catastrophic approach sprang, and still springs, from some warped romanticism, compounded by a toxic mix of guilt and racism, 
      I have just read the memoirs of a man called Bill Moss, an ex-Macquarie Bank executive, and you and all federal MPs really, really need to read it too, if not already. Moss put up $400,000 of his own money to fund an innovative employment concept in a remote NT community called Titjikala, to test for himself his belief that helping people in these communities to create meaningful jobs for themselves and, in future, their children,was fundamentally the answer. It’s worth reading his book, called Still Walking, if only just the Titjikala chapter, to read how the community transformed itself, and was transformed, when they finally had decent employment opportunities.

    • Charmaine Saunders says:

      08:48am | 16/02/12

      Carolyn, have you ever been to Titjikala?  I have.  I lived there and can assure you that there was no innovative employment concept there.  There was a defunct tourist venture which employed a handful of local people through CDEP for a few days a year as cultural guides but the majority of the “decent employment opportunities” in Titjikala were for non-Aboriginals.  Titjikala is one of the worst examples of communities where there is a constant parade of visiting white community managers and bureaucrats, politicians, economic development consultants, advisors, training providers, private contractors but with very little to show in terms of any real sustainable benefits hitting the ground.  The community people speak English as their third or fouth language, there are no real jobs, sly grogging is rife, housing is overcrowded, women are subject to violence and many children are neglected.  School attendance figures and achievement levels are appalling.  Titjikala is not a showcase community by any means.

    • Charmaine Saunders says:

      08:48am | 16/02/12

      Carolyn, have you ever been to Titjikala?  I have.  I lived there and can assure you that there was no innovative employment concept there.  There was a defunct tourist venture which employed a handful of local people through CDEP for a few days a year as cultural guides but the majority of the “decent employment opportunities” in Titjikala were for non-Aboriginals.  Titjikala is one of the worst examples of communities where there is a constant parade of visiting white community managers and bureaucrats, politicians, economic development consultants, advisors, training providers, private contractors but with very little to show in terms of any real sustainable benefits hitting the ground.  The community people speak English as their third or fouth language, there are no real jobs, sly grogging is rife, housing is overcrowded, women are subject to violence and many children are neglected.  School attendance figures and achievement levels are appalling.  Titjikala is not a showcase community by any means.

    • carolyn says:

      09:07am | 16/02/12

      Not sure when you lived in Titjikala, but according to Moss, the tourist venture was a resounding success when a local, private enterprise venture, until government policies re CDEP changed several years ago now and completely stuffed it up. He said that at its height, it was employing 40 locals either full or part-time, that school retention rates shot up and the town was spick and span. But if the tourist venture subsequently collapsed under the dead hand of susequent interfering white bureaucracy, that would not surprise me (or Moss, from what he writes) in the least.

    • acotrel says:

      09:29am | 16/02/12

      @Charmaine & Carolyn
      looks like the truth depends on who is telling the story !
      I wonder if the tourist venture was started to help the aborigines, or Bill Moss ?

    • Charmaine Saunders says:

      11:09am | 16/02/12

      I repeat, there was no innovative employment concept in Titjukala.  Before the Intervention, the tourism venture employed a handful of local people through CDEP for a few days a year as cultural guides but the majority of the “decent employment opportunities” in Titjikala were for non-Aboriginals.  CDEP was funded entirely by the Australian Government.  The truth is that billions of dollars are spent every year on programs designed to help Indigenous people but there are still thousands of people in remote communities living in apalling conditions.  I suggest Mr Moss should consider writing another book - “The Indigenous Industry:  Where does all the money go and who REALLY benefits?”

    • Tell It Like It Is says:

      07:32am | 16/02/12

      But if you take away the handouts then they probably won’t vote Labor anymore. That’s much too big a risk!

    • Nathan says:

      08:00am | 16/02/12

      That comment is simply ridiculous the problem is far greater than Lib v Labor as has been a problem for a bloody long time. I seriously doubt that in the remote communities that voting is common.

    • SimonFromLakemba says:

      08:48am | 16/02/12

      S.M.H..

    • Debs says:

      07:45am | 16/02/12

      All well and good. except for one small problem. Jobs. There are no-where near enough jobs for everyone in Australia. We have a job deficit of at least a million full time real jobs. Anyone have any answers other than blaming the unemployed and hitting them harder ?

    • Al says:

      08:05am | 16/02/12

      Debs, unfortunately you are wrong in stating “We have a job deficit of at least a million full time real jobs.”
      There are plenty of jobs we can employ people in, it is just a matter of ‘are we willing to pay for it’?
      Many jobs that are now either irregularly done or done by voulenters or even by the average person can be done by someone else, if we are willing to pay for it.
      For a simple example (and I admit not the nicest job) take the recycling. Instead of having people sort their recycling at home have this done only at the depot by employees. Suddenly more jobs, but increased rates as well to pay fo them. Others include restricting the introduction of ‘self-service’ checkouts at supermarkets (anyone who thinks these are for any reason other than to reduce the number of employees required to operate checkouts is delusional).
      There are jobs available, if we want to pay for them. Unfortunately the current view is ‘what do I get out of it’ and people conclude they would rather not pay for people to do this.

    • Mark G says:

      08:54am | 16/02/12

      Al,

      Overall Job numbers are not determined by what money we are willing to throw at them. Job numbers are determined by market demands for good and services. Jobs are determined by their input to businesses (ie profit creation) and ultimately society. The only exceptions to this are some government jobs that are there to cover essential services that may not be profitable to run in any other service or jobs at non-profit organisations.

    • Al says:

      09:11am | 16/02/12

      Mark G - correct, if you are relying only on market profitable jobs.
      There are many jobs available that are not market profitable (i.e. output/profit is less than the cost of hiring somone). I am not disputing that.
      I am simply disputing the “We have a job deficit of at least a million full time real jobs.” statement by Debs.
      If we are willing to put some of the money from welfare into funding people to do these types of jobs then they would be working. (Many would be market profitable if they are subsidised by the government at 25% of the welfare payments and the employees then paid the going market/award rate).
      A bit similar to work for the dole.

    • MarkS says:

      09:31am | 16/02/12

      Jobs generate jobs.

      Every working person has needs that must be fullfilled by other working people. Wish to open an office providing legal services. You need computers, office supplies, IT & HR professionals, real estate people, adverts, coffee shop (biggie that one, no young lawyer works without liters of the stuff a day), etc etc.

      The same applies any any job. All work creates the need for more work. All jobs create the need for other jobs. There is more then enough jobs for everybody, if everybody was capable of working. Many for various reasons are not.

    • Joe says:

      12:57pm | 16/02/12

      Yep, Close the doors immigration a fair bit more.  Australia has been through a mass immigration program over the last 5 years the size of which we have not seen before.

      We need to change our immigration program to one where not only people have the skills we need but they are also able to pay for a new house/apartment for themselves.  They should also be required to contribute to an infrastructure fund to fund the additional infrastructure that is needed for all the new people in Australia.

    • marley says:

      01:32pm | 16/02/12

      @Joe - so you think new migrants “should also be required to contribute to an infrastructure fund to fund the additional infrastructure that is needed for all the new people in Australia.”

      They do.  It’s called taxes.

    • The Old Man says:

      07:45am | 16/02/12

      Give a man a fish and you feed him for a week, teach a man to fish and you feed him for ever!

    • Terry2: says:

      08:36am | 16/02/12

      But please, leave the Dugong and Turtles alone and stop netting off the rivers of Cape York to pillage the Barramundi.

    • JT says:

      08:51am | 16/02/12

      Build a man a fire he’s warm for a day, set him on fire and he’s warm the rest of his life.

    • St. Michael says:

      11:06am | 16/02/12

      Give a child a fish and you feed him for a day, give a child a gun ... aaaaand the whole metaphor breaks down.

    • subotic says:

      12:56pm | 16/02/12

      Give a fish a child and Spielberg will have an award winning movie and Oscar in a week…

    • Shooter says:

      08:11am | 16/02/12

      What about middle class welfare for families? We are teaching them to rely on these payments and making them welfare dependent. Has anyone thought about this?

    • SimonFromLakemba says:

      08:51am | 16/02/12

      That’s what most of peoples opinions on this thread are about, basically stopping welfare. Black or White the same core problems still exist.

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      09:39am | 16/02/12

      But then the middle class family wouldn’t be able to afford that plasma TV or overseas holiday. It might become a dysfunctional family. The entire fabric of middle class Australia might fall apart with out middle class family welfare…...

    • Tina says:

      09:52am | 16/02/12

      Class welfare is a Gillard thing or maybe Labor’s political tool! It is in their element when trying to prosecute their ill thought reforms and preach that for this nation to prosper we must get all we can from the wealthy, people like Gina Rinehart and Clive Palmer. It sickens me every time I hear Gillard single out this two very wealthy people that own big companies and employ thousands of Australians. Without Clive Palmer’s Queensland Nickel Company, Townsville would barely exist. It was good of Palmer to purchase the company from BHP Billiton! Gillard should bear this mind!

      Mining tax - minerals belong to the Australian people so all profits should be distributed to the people.

      Carbon tax - opposition will pay the big polluters to pollute while Labor will get from big polluting companies like Alcoa to compensate the low income earners. Look what is happening with Alcoa - shut it down I say if Gillard is so concerned about clean energy and carbon emissions to introduce the world’s highest carbon tax.

      Private health rebate - why should low income earners pay for people like Rinehart and Palmer’s or bank employee’s to pay for their CEO’s medical care?  “Abbott can’t wait to find a tax dollar to hand over to his wealthy mates” I hear Gillard aggressively repeat.

      Labor might as well like the Greens become a socialist party, means test everything and allow those of us that are working our butts off to pay for this nation’s future prosperity.

      What then do we do with our indigenous people? We can hand over the Rinehart and Palmer’s mining companies to our indigenous people and say: “here work it and take care of your well being, after all the land belonged to you in the first place.

      This is the mindset of this Labor government and trying to instil it into the minds of the Australian people. It is very very bad and dangerous.

    • Shooter says:

      12:39pm | 16/02/12

      Tina didnt it start when Howard was PM I could be wrong? Im not pointing fingers Im just stating that welfare needs to be dealt with and the means test is crap. Get a good accountant and he will bring you under that means test bench mark

    • Dr Kathleen says:

      08:16am | 16/02/12

      That glossy Rudd “apology” was a deceptive tragedy. Everybody stupidly expected primitive, out-back, stone-age ghettos of neglect, abuse, disease and addiction would blossom into better societies by enticing tradespeople and professional to perform remote miracles. The perpetuation of hatred for the “stealing” of hopelessly deprived children put a new stop on any systematic transition of doomed children into supervised, educational, urban environments. Labor’s mindless, vote-catching absurdities have proved to be death warrants.

    • Dr. Goebbels Wunderkind says:

      08:59am | 16/02/12

      A disciple of Dr. Josef Mengele school of medicine I believe.
      What a caring lot your brethren were.

    • Gregg says:

      09:14am | 16/02/12

      @Doc.
      I certainly agree with your last sentence, even the word glossy and your description that followed the adjective for Krudd, despite all his seemingly pop star popularity has always had that song and dance smell for me.

      But then I ain’t everybody and like all the other ain’t everybodys I was expecting no miracles.
      There were even indigenous people on the lawns outside parliament house that day who aired their thoughts re words are nothing if nothing is done.
      There are also indigenous people who were removed from their families and have spoken of the good things that it allowed for them, getting a sound education, good health and generally having a life outside of an indigenous community, a life that the gap tells us would be otherwise questionable.
      So yes, whilst there is angst, hatred is such a strong word.

    • Piers says:

      09:30am | 16/02/12

      Bolt, is that you?

      Kathleen? interesting choice of a moniker.

    • Clayton says:

      12:16pm | 16/02/12

      An apology means nothing if it’s not accepted.  How can we unite and move forward as a country until it is?

    • Cynicised says:

      07:03pm | 16/02/12

      Dr Kathleen, I wonder what your doctorate is in? Pig ignorance would seem to be about right. Compassion seems a non- starter, that’s for sure.

      The National Apology was a brave and long overdue ceremonial act of reconciliation which this country badly needed to recognize the atrocity of removing children, sometimes forcibly from their roots, based on a paternalistic view of aboriginal culture which denied the rights of both parents and children to live with their own families. No -one but a fool would have expected the Apology to fix the decades of disadvantage, but it was a wonderful gesture.

       Much the same treatment  happened for decades to non- Aboriginal Australians too, mostly white kids were separated  from their mothers often by coercion because of the paternalistic attitude that illegitimacy was detrimental to society. Do you not see that both acts of “well-meaning”  massively judgmental and prejudicial behaviour are heinous? Or does aboriginality make it acceptable? 

      Get a clue before posting such crap.

    • acotrel says:

      08:21am | 16/02/12

      I can suggest another way to handle the problems of the aborigines.  Let’s fund their case for legal ownership of Australia through the International Court of Justice.  If they win they can charge us all rent and not have the stigma of being on welfare !

    • semi concerned citizen says:

      08:44am | 16/02/12

      If they had any sense they would evict you squire.

    • Sniper says:

      08:58am | 16/02/12

      But acotrel, if you pay rent you won’t be able to fly to France, business class with that EXQUISITE red you keep telling us about???

    • acotrel says:

      09:09am | 16/02/12

      @semi
      The penny drops ? The discussion on this page is arrogant, and presumes a lot !

    • Steve says:

      09:11am | 16/02/12

      Like to see them try to collect rent down my street!

    • Wynston Cruso says:

      11:49am | 16/02/12

      If you ask the black fellas apparently we invaded. In which case they have no legal ownership of any land, here or anywhere else.

    • marley says:

      11:49am | 16/02/12

      @acotrel - I have repeatedly pointed out to you that the ICJ has no mandate to deal with these sorts of questions.  Why don’t you do a bit of research before commenting?

      For the umpteenth time, the ICJ has decision-making authority over disputes between states, if both parties consent.  It has no decision-making authority when it comes to domestic legal issues.  The ICJ can also give advice on other matters referred to it by a UN agency, but its advice is not binding on the states involved.

      So, you didn’t “get it right the first time,” you didn’t get it right the second time, or the third time, or this time.  Thirty seconds with Google would have shown you your error, so why the heck don’t you use it?

    • Tell It Like It Is says:

      12:15pm | 16/02/12

      Well let’s take this argument to its very logical extreme, given the migration of humans since they were able to do so. If land rights have only to do with aboriginality then lets make EVERYBODY walk backwards all the way to the Great Rift Valley in Africa or even the frozen tundra in the arctic? Even the Aboriginals. Or, for example,  should all people of German extraction return to Germany?  But then the original inhabitants there came from where?  Ridiculous. As it happened, in the world a couple hundred years ago or more, people in every country who could, got on ships to explore and migrate. And, yes, they “conquered” natives in far off lands.  It was inevitable that that would happen sometime. No, the manner in which they did that may not have been right or, certainly, not acceptable today. But that was then.  It’s history. Move on. Get over it. Just like the alleged “stolen children”. Someone in a comment below said that many Aborigines have expressed gratitude for being brought up in a white community and reaping the benefits of that. I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone express that so I am glad that someone else has. I don’t feel responsible for anything even in my own family might do.  One must take individual responsibility, each for him or herself.  The world cannot spend the rest of its time pretending there is some huge debt to be paid for generations, whether it is due on religious grounds or perceived offense to Aboriginals or what. I have never felt that the children of Nazis had any responsibility for what their parents did. It is absurd the way we carry on with this perennial collective guilt and payback. The source of too many wars. That is for sure.

    • Gregg says:

      08:49am | 16/02/12

      The theory is fine Andrew and not that I want to detract from the ideal for I’ve been a great fan of Noel Pearson’s attitude and it is small successes from whence any great move may best begin.

      It needs something like Noels community to perhaps identify what is involved in the following steps from better attendance for education and as you rightly say that means working and you identify the problems of location and how do you relocate whole remoter communities to locations where substantial work is to be developed.

      Not only that but you refer to lower skilled employment in mining operations and you may not appreciate it but mining operations are very dangerous environments or potentially so for the illiterate/untrained and inattentive no matter what the skill level necessary for the work being done.
      Employers also need commitment and the task of taking poorly educated people without any industry training and putting them to work on a regular basis will be enormous.

      The current government often heralds it commitment to infrastructure even if their flagship the NBN is not being scrutinised as it should be.
      The many billions that are being poured into something that not too many will seek to use is just another social disaster of a different kind.

      Much more urgently needed and staring Australia in the face is water works, all manner of activities that could take place over a century or more and much of it could involve indigenous peoples with planning for best use of inland areas of Australia from northern Queensland all the way down to the Murray and then there would be the multitude of construction projects, dams, tunnels, canals, etc. etc. to do some combined flood proofing and flood waters harvesting.

      The current government is so hung up on their NBN, their thinking being it will make us so smart that they apparently just have no appreciation for some basics of life for all the NBN they want to have and all the training $$$ they want to allocate will do nothing to help a dry continent better manage its limited water supplies whereas doing that will provide potential for much more growth where it should happen, away from overcrowded cities and also provide potential for occupational training and work for all Australians.

      Without better management of water, what will an increasing population have?, the NBN of course and dry water courses that could be much healthier and flowing.

    • Water on my mind says:

      09:09am | 16/02/12

      NBN ... Waterworks?
      NBN ... Waterworks?
      hmmmmm!
      NBN ... Waterworks

      I’ll take the NBN

      What does the aboriginal “problem” have to do with waterworks again?
      I guess we could post our future emails in corked bottles and let the waterworks sort out how they get to the final destination.
      BTW, has it been raining where you are?

    • Gregg says:

      10:37am | 16/02/12

      Yep, you’ve got water on the brain it would seem.
      It’s certainly limited your thinking powers.

    • John H says:

      08:51am | 16/02/12

      On the money commentary. Welfare is supposed to be a helping hand—not a crutch!
      And Please! Let’s not drag up the very hackneyed ‘Original Owners’ and ‘The Noble Savage’ arguments AGAIN!
      They are pathetic responses to very real and difficult issues propounded by those who don’t want a real solution.  And that is—integration and assimilation into the diverse Australian culture and values.

    • stevem says:

      09:13am | 16/02/12

      If the goal is to raise aboriginal standards of living to that of the rest of the community, then they must assimilate. There is just no way a 21st century standard of living is consistent with a stone age way of life. The whole welfare system is set up in a vain attempt to preserve the aboriginal culture and language whilst providing a 21st century lifestyle.

      A goal of destroying a culture seems very wrong but without modifying the ideal of equality in all other areas seems to be the only true solution.

    • trexdex says:

      09:03am | 16/02/12

      It’s never going to happen!!

      Why wouldn’t it work?  Loss of control by Government over the very things it wants control over. Namely unemployment, and fiscal policy where creating a surplus cuts back on expenditure, and also the culture of welfare would have to be drastically altered to suit not only the Aboriginals, but bring it in line with the rest of Australia, and that would not go kindly at the ballot box.

      Whilst we are also dreaming, why not encourage all people off welfare by giving them a pension based on how many years they have worked and paid taxes? Never going to happen either, because the Government works around penalisation rather than incentive.

    • Justin of Earlwood says:

      09:07am | 16/02/12

      Change the constitution, that will fix it.

    • Mik says:

      09:08am | 16/02/12

      Many communities, regardless of colour, where there has been high dysfunction and high alcholism have issues with basic life skills so this is where they have to focus attention initially. Additionally, many have sufferers of Foetal Alcohol Syndrome Disorders -this is extremely debilitating as it greatly affects learning and behaviour http://www.healthnetworks.health.wa.gov.au/modelsofcare/docs/FASD_Model_of_Care.pdf 
      Please note: it is possible to have the disorder without having the pronounced facial features and some research is now showing the possibility that sperm developed during the period of high alcohol consumption could also cause the disorder, not just alcohol consumption by mothers.

    • Bruce says:

      09:10am | 16/02/12

      Thank you for an informative and accurate article, with which I fully agree. Bob Brown may send the “Hate Media Police” to speak to you, for unwisely telling the truth.

    • OLD MAX says:

      09:15am | 16/02/12

      Unfortunatley All Governments thought that throwing money at the Aborigine problem would make it go away. No body sat down and asked the Aboriginies what they really wanted

    • Al says:

      09:43am | 16/02/12

      Unfortunatley Old Max, what ‘the Aboriginies really wanted’ isn’t relevant when it comes to the wealfare situation
      What is relevant is what the Aboriginies really NEED.

    • patsy says:

      09:20am | 16/02/12

      Do any Punchers have any knowledge about aboriginal artists living in remote areas? I really love their art and deisgn. When we were touring outback NSW I was looking for some fabric so I could make some scatter cushions and couldn’t find any. I did buy a tote bag to take shopping and prople comment and want one. It is “Kimillaroi Rarities” by Kely Roach. Designed in Australia but made in INDIA!
      Maybe the Government should invest in these artists. I don’t know. Screen printing facilities etc would create employment. Set up an online shop, too. I’ve heard that aboriginal art, (paintings) that are sold in city galleries for many thousands only give the artist a pittance. Which is wrong as the artist will usually share any monies with the community.
      Any ideas?

    • Janey says:

      10:09am | 16/02/12

      Well you could type Yirrkala Arts Centre into your search engine.
      You won’t find anything made in India there, this place is a fine example of Yolngu talent and enterprise.

    • patsy says:

      11:12am | 16/02/12

      @Janey-thanks for that. They have an artwork that even I can start saving up for. Their project seems really worthwhile and successful. I was looking all over the site to see who got it all together and can only assume it had something to do with unis and art galleries. (And the donations of $2 and over are tax deductible.)
      Should be more of it. When I posted I was thinking of smaller industries mass producing more everyday affordable items like bags, fabrics etc.

    • Janey says:

      01:22pm | 16/02/12

      That’s the oxymoron of it all really Patsy.  Mass produced lines are just that - they are not works of art.

    • patsy says:

      02:52pm | 16/02/12

      @Janey-yes, I get it. The design on the bag is art to me and it is mass produced and the artist gets royalities. I was thinking of making a new industry there as well.
      And again, thanks for putting me onto Yirrkala Arts Centre so now I can save up for an affordable one off original.
      It’s my 64yr friend’s pension day, so we’re getting on the bus to the club. I’ll put on a Keno, hope to win the $2.6mil and buy a lot more art!

    • Slick says:

      03:28pm | 16/02/12

      Patsy,
      Just save up and go out into one of the communities, they sit outside the pub and sell the paintings and stuff for about $100. Cheapest, if a little dodgy, way of getting an original piece. But still including flights and hotels cheaper than the $11,000 that you will pay in most “Aboriginal Art Galleries”
      Plus at least you know the money is going straight to the artist, or at least the family member who took the painting to town….
      We have 2 pieces, but we got ours from indiginous people we know from living on communities.

    • patsy says:

      09:44pm | 16/02/12

      @Slick-Thanks for you info but, the piece I loved and am saving up for is $250 and Yirrkala looks totally legit to me. When we tour we don’t fly, we drive. Put it this way, when I went out with my friend today I spent $20.

    • Anna C says:

      09:38am | 16/02/12

      “Australia has struggled for decades with Aboriginal exceptionalism; the argument finessed by John Altman which casts any move to stimulate a real economy as a western assault on the romanticised traditional life.”

      This is so true.  When I was at uni we were taught that traditional Aboriginal people were superior to Europeans because they only had to work the equivalent of 2 days to find food in the bush whereas we Europeans had to work 5 days a week to earn enough money to buy food. Many well meaning but misguided people still seem to hold these views about romanticised traditional life. 

      We need to encourage all people off welfare who are able to work including Aboriginal people because work is the best way of improving their standard of living.  There should be no excuses and no exceptions based on race.

    • Leigh says:

      09:40am | 16/02/12

      So true. But there is little hope that any Australian government will have the guts to do what is needed; they will continue to pour money into a black hole.

    • the punman says:

      06:13pm | 17/02/12

      Pun intended?

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      10:04am | 16/02/12

      The solution is harsh but simple- move all the aboriginals to the major cities where there are jobs, adequate health care, centerlink etc. Treat them as you would any other Australian and leave them to their fate…..

    • Fiona says:

      10:31am | 16/02/12

      Just like we moved them out to those remote settlements years ago, regardless of where they actually came from in a bid to get them out of our sight?

    • Govt@FauxCitizen says:

      10:15am | 16/02/12

      There are more Non-Aboriginals who just use any excuse to soak up welfare and depend on it as a lifestyle and they live in cities and towns where there is such a shortage of labour and skills, 457 visa workers are the only way some employers can get workers, supposedly.
      I’ve never been short of work, my attitude is the difference.
      What worries me most though is what’s happening before our very eyes with foreign investment companies buying up huge tracts of land, taking out the mining leases and announcing that they are going to build their own self sufficient city with their own airfield then outsource the labour from overseas citing the obvious lack of local “skilled” labour for 457 visa applications, and if allowed to happen will continue as a trend, the silent invasion is happening right before us without an angry shot fired or drop of blood spilt, and it’s cheaper for them than warfare.

    • Philip says:

      10:22am | 16/02/12

      I have to say this is similar to action being taken on bullying: all talk, and nothing being done.  What was said by Andrew Laming was spot on.  I think you’ll find a lot of Australians would agree with what he’s said here.

    • Jay Santos says:

      10:44am | 16/02/12

      In August 1963, the great Reverend Dr Martin Luther King Jr. stood in the shadow of Abraham Lincoln and proclaimed that his nation should live out the true meaning of its creed: “that all men are created equal”, where “they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.”

      In 100 years the American Negro went from white slavery to occupying the White House.

      What has the Australian Aboriginal done in the same time? 

      Despite being handed all the same rights, what are his achievements?

      Countless billions are spent each year on dealing with “aboriginal disadvantage” and have been for decades.

      It’s high time we audited the success of this cultural welfare and stopped the rorting and waste.

      Most importantly we, the Australian people, should demand a return on our investment.

    • Kika says:

      02:48pm | 16/02/12

      You are a blight to this country you racist mongrel. If you have nothing to contribute to the debate, don’t say anything at all. Don’t take your anxiety and depression out on people just because it makes you feel better.

    • Esteban says:

      04:09pm | 16/02/12

      Wow Kika. I think you are way off the mark with that comment.

    • Emma E says:

      07:21pm | 16/02/12

      @ Kika, it is actually YOUR comment that has no place on this thread.

      “You are a blight to this country”
      Far too strong, and incredibly presumptuous. You’re reacting as though he had raped and murdered children with such a strong word (blight). You should refrain from making such emotional, fact-less opinions just because you don’t agree with someone’s sentiments.

      “you racist”
      Making race-related comments does not racism make. The only potentially racist comment he made was
      “Most importantly we, the Australian people, should demand a return on our investment. “
      He is separating Indigenous Australians from non-Indigenous Australians and thus generalising that all non-Indigenous are working and contributing, and the corollary that all Indigenous are useless dole bludgers. Though I see his point regarding return on investment, people aren’t commodities with measurable profits and losses. However, if he expanded that point, there could be sound reasoning in there… What positive results can be measured as a direct result of welfare and other initiatives? If any.

      “mongrel”
      You do realise that you just used a word that describes someone of mixed ancestry as a derogatry remark. It is, in fact, you who is racist in this instance.

      “If you have nothing to contribute to the debate, don’t say anything at all.”
      I think you’ll find that he has quite calmly provided opinions, facts and examples to back up his argument- rationally and calmly. Again, your disagreement doesn’t make his post invalid. If anything, it can teach you the appropriate use of a forum- to provide a thoughtful response to an issue.

      “Don’t take your anxiety and depression out on people just because it makes you feel better.”
      How dare you look down upon people with mental illness by using it as (yet another) derogatory remark as a way to justify what YOU believe is wrong or crazy. People with depression and anxiety are not crazy. However, you have clearly shown high level irrationality and an inability to control your emotions.

      You need to go back to basics and learn how to appropriately communicate with people. Just because you can hide behind a computer screen doesn’t mean you can shit all over a great thread a talk to (type to) people like they are filth on the bottom of your shoe.
      My 5-year old nephew is a more effective sommunicator than you.

    • Esteban says:

      11:30am | 16/02/12

      I only read the headline. You are correct Andrew but good luck with the outrage.

      We need brave young people to speak the truth before they get hounded into the silent majority.

      I’ll give you 5 years max Andrew.

    • Loxy says:

      12:18pm | 16/02/12

      How refreshing to finally see a smart, practical and accurate viewpoint on this issue. I dare say the vast majority of Australians will agree with you Andrew. Unfortunately I don’t think we will see either government ever have the balls to do what needs to be done.

    • igfbss says:

      12:19pm | 16/02/12

      This is an interesting article. There is no doubt that when white man arrived the aboriginal population got the rough end of the pineapple. That continued to be the case for many years but we do seem to be trying a lot harder to change things. However what happened in the past happened and it cannot be changed. An apology has been given, massive amounts of money has been allocated for housing, health, education and it appears that little improvement is occurring. There has to come a point in time at which we all stop being victims. Aboriginal have to stop being victims of the bad stuff that happened and take responsibility for what they are doing now.  White people have to stop being victims of guilt and trying to pay off the aboriginals with endless welfare and political correctness. We all need to build bridges and move on.  Tough love - maybe, but it may also be what is needed.

    • jade (the other one) says:

      12:55pm | 16/02/12

      Andrew, I agree with you, but wonder why you have singled out indigenous people exclusively? There are sufficient white people on welfare condemning their children to the same impoverished, undereducated, sad existence. Yet we never hear about tearing welfare and public housing out of areas like Woodridge, Inala, or similar areas in other cities.

      Further, the exorbitant welfare provided to farmers, over and above anything provided to any other small business owner also needs to cease. If their farm fails, too bad. Pack up and move somewhere and start again. Subsidies for education for remote and rural children also need to be stopped. Their parents need to move where the schools are.

    • marley says:

      01:33pm | 16/02/12

      @jade - hope you enjoy drinking milk and veggies imported from China.

    • jade (the other one) says:

      09:30pm | 16/02/12

      @marley. I don’t like wearing clothes made in China either. But the government chooses not to support industries in this country. I don’t like eating vegetables, beef, lamb, chicken, or drinking milk produced on Chinese-owned farms.

      I also don’t agree with farmers who exploit foreign workers trying to get visas and PR by underpaying them in return for signing off on rural service. Then sticking their hand out for my tax dollars.

      I don’t like farmers demanding $9000 per year boarding school subsidies for their children when there are perfectly decent high schools in towns less than a half hour drive away, that provide a bus service that picks them up and drives them from their front gate to the school and back again.

    • Andrew says:

      01:10am | 17/02/12

      Exorbitant welfare provided to farmers, exactly what is this welfare Jade.

    • Dave Saunders says:

      01:11pm | 16/02/12

      I’m 34, a full time media student. AusStudy is still lower then NewStart. Employers & Recruitment Agencies have no time for the majority of students. Finding evening work is IMPOSSIBLE. This is my last year at Adelaide Uni anyway. As I can’t afford to relocate I’ll stick to evening study from now on as I know full well to get the dream job or any job I need at least TWO DEGREES in this country. Almost ten years radio experience, 3 years contact centre experience, Diploma in Multimedia, Retail Cert II ... the student status has killed it but I need it. Raise AusStudy so we can have a bit more money to apply for work. Everyones situation is different as well so STOPPING WELFARE AT ALL as this article suggests won’t solve it it will make it worse. I’m also for boat people being relocated into regional areas to keep our economy going, empty the prison systems, stop the rights & you’ll probably find more need to relocate our own nationals in a way. But I’m living in dreamland here.

    • Anjuli says:

      01:21pm | 16/02/12

      Some of the comments say the aboriginal way of life ,well i am sorry it has past as did other cultures way of life has done. The ancient Brits and others had their mystical ways so should we be still living that way.If we had done we would still be living in caves wearing animal skins I think it time for people to get real. Stop pussy footing around and call as it is ,some can make it with the help of free further education,while others have to pay.
      .In my area some aboriginal families have been given what once was private houses , when given the houses were lovely neat a well kept now they are just hovels ,has no one ever taught them how to keep house and look after things.
      I am all for giving people a lift up but then they have to put in the effort tax payer just can’t go on giving throwing money at the problem cash hand outs will not fix it, as they will just keep coming back for more.I used to feel sorry for these people and help them but I find nothing has changed in nearly 40 years of being here.

    • Kika says:

      02:54pm | 16/02/12

      The question remains - what are we going to do about it? or even better yet do we care?  Throwing at cash at people who are alcohol and drug dependant and have no job and no prospect towards having a job (either because of personal choice or family responsibilities) is going to keep spinning them around the welfare cycle.  Education? Who’s education? White education? What is the relevance? You might think it’s relevant while you sit in a nice home or office in a big city with a mortgage to pay and a booking at a restaurant tonight. But to a kid out there it isn’t. They don’t care because nobody arounds them cares either.

      We need more Aboriginal kids giving back and creating an education system relevant to them. Maori kids get to learn their language and culture in class. Maori is a subject you can even learn in NZ. Their culture is valued. You can find comparisons around the place.

      But I guarantee once we respect them and value their culture (which is their fibre of their being) kids will respond.

      And guess what - you may not think their culture is anything but Dreamtime. It’s not. It’s complex. And you may not have ‘values’ but everyone values things over others.

    • Robert of country SA says:

      08:45pm | 16/02/12

      Funny isn’t it, until Whitlam came along there were missions run by church groups kids learnt to read & write, social skills, if you wanted to eat at the missions, you have to work. Then Whitlam came along, closed the missions & replaced it with…............................nothing! ! ! On the stations the Aboriginal stockmen were paid less than the whites (shock horror etc) but they & their very extended familis drew rations & if they went walk-about, no big deal, so all in all very fair, the came the city slickers with their soft hands & even softer heads & said we had to pay them the same even though the cost the same to the company when you added in the extras. Aboriginal welfare is an industry run by whites & more than a few “coconuts”. For you townies a coconut is an Aboriginal “looking” person but are white on the inside

    • SME owner of Bunbury says:

      10:19pm | 16/02/12

      No mention of the govt subsidies for the businesses started by the indigenous, especially when they recieve a 20 - 30% ” advantage” of another business.
      Then they apply for an often non-repayable loan from the govt and they are away.
      The businesses often dont last 12 months but then the damage is done by cementing the welfare mentality and nothing changes.
      I remember seeing the local ATSIC reps in the TAB all day in my home town and there is no way that people can do that if they were earning the money.
      Black, white or bridle…..make the bastards work and make it ALL inclusive and also ensure that they get the welfare AFTER they have earned a quid & not before!
      No doubt I will be accuse of being a racist also!

 

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