One of the terrific luxuries of life in the democratic west is that we are free to write and say pretty much anything we like about our elected representatives.

In the space of one day this week, we saw a powerful demonstration of how blasé and indulgent some of us can be in exercising that freedom.

In Egypt, thousands of people have taken to the streets to demand the removal of a politician who for 18 years has resisted any shift towards democracy, and is still refusing to stand aside.

In Australia, where we have the power to re-elect or reject our federal politicians every three years, there is a tendency on the part of some to carry on as if we’re under the yoke of a dictatorship, and to suggest the basest of motives on our national leaders.

The quality of our politicians is a common gripe in Australia. After the treatment which both Tony Abbott and Julia Gillard received this week, you would have to wonder why any sane person would choose to go into politics at all.

This week we saw the alternative prime minister fitted up over an absurd and unsustainable allegation that he’d blithely dismissed the death of one of our soldiers by saying “shit happens”.

The comment, made to an equally plain-talking group of military commanders, was a broader reflection on the fact that whatever is done to protect the troops in the field, things will still go terribly wrong, as they did with the death of Corporal MacKinney. It was a fair term to use, especially in the context of a military culture which has given the language terms such as SNAFU, an acronym meaning “Situation Normal, All F***ed Up”. But the new squeamishness prevailed and Tony Abbott found himself on the end of sustained tut-tutting.

Upon being presented with the incendiary suggestion that he’d laughed off the death of a digger, attention then turned to the fact that Tony Abbott was so offended and angered by the slur that he stood there looking daggers at the reporter. This was deemed by some to be “the story.”  It’s only a story if you believe – wrongly – that being rude to journalists is a hanging offence and that we hold such a special and warm place in the nation’s heart that Tony Abbott may never recover from looking like he wanted to deck one of us.

On the same day, Julia Gillard was steeling herself to address the nation’s Parliament on the floods and cyclone which ravaged Queensland in the first month of this year. The Prime Minister has been accused of sounding insincere and put-on in her management of the crisis.

It’s a valid line of inquiry; she invited much of the debate with her real Julia/fake Julia distinction during the election campaign. It’s been amplified by the widely-lauded performance of Queensland Premier Anna Bligh.

But what we saw from the PM on Tuesday was nothing other than barely restrained human emotion, at having the horrible job of recording the magnitude of the devastation our nation has just endured, and the legacy of those who died, those who endangered their lives saving others.

Gillard’s speech was magnificent and her broken delivery made it all the more emotional. But immediately after she had sat down, a crazily large number of people on talkback, on twitter and in sections of the media were lining up to say that the whole thing was a sham, that her tears were manufactured, that she’d put the whole thing on (and possibly been rehearsing) to kill once and for all the perception that she was flint-hearted or cold or insincere.

If this was a put-on the woman deserves an Oscar. It struck me as nothing more than a valiant attempt to maintain composure in discussing such awfulness.

If Gillard’s speech was magnificent, Abbott could not have been more decent in his very generous assessment that she had shown such a good heart in its delivery.

There are plenty of people who will passionately dispute this about Gillard. There are plenty of people who hate Abbott so much that they desperately want the shit happens story to be true.

If these people are right, then Australian has got an alternative prime minister – whose own government enthusiastically signed us up for the war in Afghanistan - who doesn’t much care that an Australian soldier has died in that conflict.

And we’ve got a prime minister who will try to get herself out of a scrape in the polls and rebuild her image by using the death of a couple of dozen people in a massive flood to turn on the tears.

Neither Tony Abbott nor Julia Gillard deserve that level of ridicule. It suggests that they are pretty much morally bankrupt. Shit does indeed happen, and there was plenty of it around this week.

131 comments

Show oldest | newest first

    • HarlequinBeetle says:

      10:43am | 13/02/11

      TAbbott’s reaction was the issue…... totally and utterly unacceptable from the leader of the Government’s Opposition.  Who would want this pugilist representing us as our Prime Minister?  I was revoluted!

    • Rosie says:

      11:37am | 13/02/11

      HarlequinBeetle

      You and people like you make me sick! When you can’t get your way with the cause of such a ridiculous media storm the utterance of two words; “shit happens by the Leader of the Opposition you use something else like what was seen to some us as a “dignified silence”

      Oh how you must have wished Tony Abbott had used his boxing skills because then it would have been totally and utterly unacceptable by not just you and Laborites but by all decent Australians, me included! “Too bad so sad” Abbott’s utterance of “shit happens” was a “Not Guilty” verdict and he didn’t land one of his pugilist punches on the scumbag journalist.

    • Ben81 says:

      11:49am | 13/02/11

      Wow you’re easily ‘revoluted’, hmm I wonder how much of that comes from a desperation to attack Tony Abbott over anything you can possibly grasp at.

    • marley says:

      12:06pm | 13/02/11

      Umm. I must have missed the bit where the “pugilist” threw the punch. 

      By the way, I assume that you were equally “revoluted” when the ALP made Mark Latham the leader of the Opposition, and voted elsewhere in that election.

    • iansand says:

      12:12pm | 13/02/11

      Rosie - Is it you or Joan who constantly harps on Ms Gillard’s single status and atheism?

    • Anthony of WA says:

      12:21pm | 13/02/11

      “Revolting”? You are just revolted Abbot did not rearrange Rileys mug.
      That would have been revolting, at least he had the control to give the answer he wanted to give and leave it at that. You have to ask yourself do you now trust Channel 7 to bring the news, what else have they jazzed up in the past to make a good story and boost the rating?

    • Gregg says:

      12:52pm | 13/02/11

      @Marley,
      You didn’t miss much for it’s just that some are back in the sixties with Beetlemania!

    • Rob r Charteris says:

      01:43pm | 13/02/11

      The really sad thing in all this is on a day in our Nations parliment, set aside to recognise the tradgic deaths during the recent flood in Queensland. The rascally rAbbott managed to make the news about himself…. yet again.

      Rosie I hate to say it but as you said “what was seen to some us as a “dignified silence”” the important word you expressed is “some” just a lil more than a few. Dignified it wasn’t and you would have to be drunk on spin to believe that.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lv93fgBmxAk

    • acotrel says:

      06:11am | 14/02/11

      I was revoluted too!  But I don’t want to see Abbott undermined by that self-styled kingmaker Rupert Murdoch.  Rupe’s impending media monopoly is a real and current threat to democracy.  He must be stymied!

    • Faz says:

      06:18am | 14/02/11

      Yesterday on the insiders they dealt with this issue including playing the unedited version of the Riley/Abbott interview and noting that Riley and Abbott had ‘kissed and made up’.

      The person who was most scathing of Riley and wanted to labour the point of how dishonest he and Ch7 were, was that standard bearer of journalistic ethics, Andrew Bolt. Cassidy wanted to describe Ch7 and Riley’s performance as a ‘misjudgement,’ but Bolt pushed hard on the point that it was much more than that, it was disgusting, etc.

      (Whenever one journalist attacks another on ‘ethical’ issues, it is always interesting to note that the venom of righteous indigation is most often reserved if they work for a rival organisation—but that’s another story.)

      Cassidy drew agreement from the WHOLE panel in the wake of Bolt’s first scathing description of 7 and Riley, and wanted to move on, but, again, Bolt didn’t want to move on ‘so quickly’ and gave 7 another serve.

      So if you are of the view that THE story coming out of this incident is the grubby ethics of Ch7 and Riley, you had a worthy champion in Bolt who was tenacious in representing that view. For Bolt it was a ‘sacking offence’.

      Despite all that, even Bolt acknowleged that it was a ‘bad look’ and he should have been ‘much quicker on his feet’ and ‘that’s a worry’ and ‘he should have acted much better ... I’m worried about it ... you’re worried about it (pointing to David Marr who he just said was wrong about what Abbott said).

      So, by all means, call Ch7 to account on this, but don’t dismiss the Abbott reaction as nothing. The man has got form.

      He takes risks, sure, and speaks plainly at times, sure. But when those risks don’t come off the ‘plain speaker’ falls into a heap and really does anything but cop it on the chin. The famous ‘scripted and unscripted promises’ in the wake of the ‘levy’ for young mothers after saying he wouldn’t increase taxes can’t be dismissed as a Kerry O’Brien ‘ambush’ and Abbott squirmed in the mud of his own making.

      Nearly half of his colleagues couldn’t bear to vote for him when he got the gig as leader. Presumably some of those changed their minds in the wake of his performance in the election. Three years is a long time to maintain a ‘plain speaking’ image when there are so many examples of plain stuff ups.

    • joseph says:

      10:57am | 14/02/11

      Silence from politicians should be encouraged!

      Tony’s response was the most acceptable thing any politician had said in the last year.

    • Luce says:

      10:55am | 15/02/11

      What’s actually revolting, HarlequinBeetle, is channel 7’s handling of the whole story. Talk about bloodlust. It was a desperate attempt to bring down Abbott in order to boost their own ratings, a stunt which backfired on them pretty badly. I won’t be going to them for unbiased news reporting any time in the near future.

    • Erick says:

      10:47am | 13/02/11

      And who was pushing all that shit, to chase audience share and pageviews?

    • acotrel says:

      07:10am | 14/02/11

      Andrew Bolt - does the phrase ‘all smoke and mirrors’ mean anything ?

    • The Badger says:

      10:53am | 13/02/11

      We shouldn’t let the discussion get to these low levels
      We should keep it much more simple.
      Perhaps we should stick to budgie smugglers and hair colour when we criticise our senior politicians

    • Gregg says:

      12:55pm | 13/02/11

      Perhaps it was that luminous glow of the maiden speech colour that drew you out of the burrow was it Badge?
      Certainly got the attention of a few about more than just the house benches I believe and maybe Emmo is one who can give you more on that.

    • The Badger says:

      01:16pm | 13/02/11

      Don’t understand your comment.
      ? and - What’s an emmo?

    • Gregg says:

      11:46pm | 13/02/11

      Well, you would have needed to see footage of the maiden speech Badge, a real bad hair day if there ever was one, a cross between desperate spinster and Cougar if there was ever one!
      Ol red mate Kerry and Lizzie Jackson did her no favours with that on ABC 4corners last Monday.
      And for Emmo, just ask Craig or the Mrs Emmo and could stand for Excited mere male on the prowl .
      Might have been the hair that did it for him too.

    • Zeta says:

      11:08am | 13/02/11

      The events of the last week highlight, in my mind at least, that the quality of our elected representatives is pretty high. If, that is, your metric for political excellence is weathering increasingly ridiculous personal attacks.

      And I think that’s a good thing. You could be the brightest policy spark in Canberra, but if you can’t cop the heinous beating you’re going to get as soon as your head pokes up out of the water, you might as well be a departmental wonk for all the good you’re going to do the nation.

      Australia has a very unique method for weeding out weakness in elected represenatives - that is simply to talk endless, stupid shit about them until they either break down or harden up. I find it incredibly ironic when politicians stand up and decry bullying in schools - even though it’s a highly sophisticated form of bullying that gets them where they are, and it’s ultimately their ability to withstand bullying that determines how long they’ll stay there.

    • Super D says:

      05:51pm | 13/02/11

      You are spot on.  All our politicians look their best when they are standing at the dispatch box and heaping sh!t on their opponents.  Even Wayne Swan in full flight is a force to be reckoned with which is a mighty compliment considering he is an intellectual pygmy.

      It really is laughable for anyone to suggest that Abbott doesn’t give a rats about our troops or Gillard doesn’t care about flood victims.  It really is just media nonsense.

    • Vaunted says:

      01:44pm | 14/02/11

      So, the very model of a modern politician is someone like Ms Gillard, is it? Raucus, grating, mocking, sneering, evasive. Less like a worthy Prime Minister and more like the nyaa nyaa gotcha captain of the Ettamogah High School Year 10 Debating Team.

    • elhombre says:

      09:36pm | 14/02/11

      Super D : Re Wayne Swan : If all the village idiots in the world got together and started their own village, he would be THEIR village idiot.

      Anyone else remember the utterly, utterly pathetic shot of “Action man” Swan sitting on a surfboard picking his nose that was released a couple of days after Tony Abbot completed the triatholon?

    • Nick says:

      11:09am | 13/02/11

      And who is to blame? Tabloid media.

    • marley says:

      12:08pm | 13/02/11

      And just possibly the people that buy the tabloids.  If there wasn’t an audience for it, the tabloids wouldn’t produce it.

    • Chris L says:

      05:52pm | 13/02/11

      Exactly right Marley. This childish mudslinging sells and both sides lap it up. I’m rather surprised at the horrified reactions from Tony’s faithful who can’t believe someone would stoop so low, it’s not like they’re unfamiliar with that territory themselves.

    • Catching up says:

      08:16am | 14/02/11

      No we are for not questioning the MSM and the Opposition.  It is easy to do today in the modern world of the web. It is easy to watch parliament any time it is sitting.  It is easy to watch senate hearings.  Take the time to watch, especially the hour following question time.  You will be surprise how little the news reports relate to what you have seen.

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      11:12am | 13/02/11

      But when both parties are mostly the same on policies (high immigration, lots of middle class welfare, extensive use of 457 visas, unconditional support for the Afghanistan War etc) with the only difference being policy on AGW (I’m still waiting for the Coalition to officially announce whether they believe in AGW or not) then the major point of differentiation becomes the popularity of their leaders. Essentially Australian democracy has become a popularity contest bereft of ideals, true leadership and intelligent policies. Australia hasn’t had a decent leader since Paul Keating (the one who introduced compulsory superannuation, floated the dollar, dismantled tariffs etc) and under Gillard or Abbott is unlikely to do so.

    • TCB 24 X 7 says:

      11:18am | 13/02/11

      Was this brought up again because. Rudd stormed out of labors cabinet meeting.
      Rudd is untouchable for he also holds that balance of power within the labor party. Imagine if he quit it would be 75 seats all.
                Rudd can do as he likes within labor and he knows it.
                                      God bless Him

    • Danny B says:

      01:20pm | 14/02/11

      Same applies for any ALP MP.

    • Jane says:

      11:18am | 13/02/11

      It’s journo’s and the MSM that do it.  Thats you Penbo included.

    • Erick says:

      12:11pm | 13/02/11

      Indeed. The media are far more to blame than the politicians.

    • Joan says:

      11:20am | 13/02/11

      Gillard used the Australian Flag as no more than a prop -she staged the scene and followed up with snivelling crocodile tears .  And when she had finished with the Flag ,  she dumped it in a heap on her desk like some piece of dirty laundry and there it stayed….in a heap.. So much for her `tears` and words of reverence about the Flag…. she just dumped the Australian Flag in a heap like a piece of dirty laundry. I can’t think of any other country in the world that would treat their Flag in parliament like a piece of dirty laundry and leave it in a heap on the desk.

    • Ben81 says:

      12:09pm | 13/02/11

      Oh who cares, in my opinion unless you’re an 80 year old RSL member you’re probably not that genuinely concerned about flag etiquette.

    • St. Michael says:

      12:24pm | 13/02/11

      Try America, Joan.  The star-spangled banner’s been used on the butt of people’s pants, and burned a lot.

      Get over yourself.

    • Gregg says:

      01:02pm | 13/02/11

      @ Benny,
      There’re plenty who care and Gillard knows no shame, so seems as though you’re in good company.
      They have plenty of aides in parliament and it could have been so easy for a caring person to have half folded it and passed to an aide to complete the task and care for it as it should have been.
      A caring OM may have even rung Beckie MacKinney with some words of support but then again she may have even herself had wind of what was being attempted.
      All show and no class is our prime M Julia.

    • Bonestar says:

      01:11pm | 13/02/11

      No Ben81, respect for the flag is important for national unity and Gillard should love Australia enough to want too show correct flag etiqutte. If more respect was shown for our flag we wouldn’t have one mob of twats who want to change it for their own selfish reasons and the other mob of ratbags who go around wearing it like a superhero cape.

    • Joan says:

      01:23pm | 13/02/11

      What people do in the street is one thing but I expect the PMof Australia to treat the Australian Flag and othe Australin symbols with respect especially in Parliament….  even though she was born in Wales she can still treat Australian Flag with more dignity than just use it for self promotion.
      Ben81 you are such a sad sorry case….. Australia deserves better citizens than you… I`m sure the soldiers that gave the Flag to Gillard would expect more respect as would the soldiers in Afghanistan who are dying while Labor is command following the nations orders.

    • Ben81 says:

      02:17pm | 13/02/11

      “Ben81 you are such a sad sorry case….. Australia deserves better citizens than you”
      ahaha, too bad you’re stuck with me.  Sorry about not getting worked up pretending to be outraged over the way the flag was put on a table.  Next time I see one i’ll take my hat off, put my hand over my heart and sing the national anthem, in the hope that I can be someday be seen as a better citizen in the eyes of Joan ftom The Punch.

    • TCB 24 X 7 says:

      02:43pm | 13/02/11

      Joan
      I would like to know how you came about what gilly did with the flag.
      If she did so, that would give Australians an insight to the true characteristics of a person
                            Not worthy of being P.M.

                    The Media should Follow up on that one.

    • Rob r Charteris says:

      03:29pm | 13/02/11

      Ben81 says:12:09pm; “Benny” eh’ is that what he whispers in your ear across the pillow late at night… Big Boy!

      I see “snivelling” Joan is being original again. She’s got that red uniform on again carrying her version of the Australian flag except the southern cross has been replaced with a hammer and sickle. Beating her rightous chest while singing selected songs from the Liberal Nationalist Song Book.

    • Ben81 says:

      04:13pm | 13/02/11

      As usual Rob your post makes no sense at all.  Perhaps slow down and think for once.

    • Jerry says:

      04:20pm | 13/02/11

      Enough already Joan. We all know whose team you are on. This constant sniping of the PM is just so unedifying! Move on to saying something of value to this country, if you cannot find anything positive to say for the betterment of the country, then it’s better to say nothing.

    • Rob r Charteris says:

      04:58pm | 13/02/11

      TCB 24 X 7 says:02:43pm; Rosie is talking BS as usual. If Julia Gillard had disrespected the flag in our Parliment infront of every MP then you would know about it, don’t you think? do you really think that rascally rAbbott would have let that one pass or have stated after the very fact that the PM has a kind heart. Or maybe you’re just plain dumb, but don’t worry you have many a snivelling dribbling lib to keep you company.

    • Joan says:

      05:17pm | 13/02/11

      Rob`s r Chartreis…. errr I think the hammer and sickle belongs to Gillard and Co .... Social Forum Days she is reluctant to speak of. The hammer and sickle is the last thing I would be waving- ....nothing I have ever said indicatesthat I would…...my family escaped from Stalins   slaughtering murderous hands.
      TCB…. I saw it on Insiders this morning ... when they played Gillard in parliament.  I was shocked…. there was the Flag in a pile at her right hand side on the desk…Gillard busy snivelling.
      BEN81… you are much too careless, and frivolous about your national symbols and citizenship…. especially since you reap the benefits from soldiers who laid down their lives for this country, you who are so smug and sure of yourself yet   unable to show the respect they deserve as indicated by your continuing mockery.  You sure are a sad and sorry case.

    • Rob r Charteris says:

      05:20pm | 13/02/11

      Ben81 says:04:13pm; “As usual Rob your post makes no sense at all.  Perhaps slow down and think for once.”

      I did and I think I got the vibe…. Big Boy! benny

    • Euripides says:

      07:07pm | 13/02/11

      LOL I would imagine the educated, prolific, generally fair and deep thinking Bolt would take it as a supreme compliment to be bagged by the likes of you pair, Billie and Warren! At least he examines both sides of most arguments, which is more than most could say for the rather more sallow element of our press gallery you so obviously endorse! I’ll bet your idea of a great journalist is the tabloid hack Mark Riley, or the intellectual guttersnipe Catherine Deveny.

    • Razor says:

      11:16pm | 13/02/11

      Dear Joan,

      As a an ex-service man and memeber of the Liberal Party, I have to strongly disagree with your sentments.

    • VickiPS says:

      12:26am | 14/02/11

      Joan, sweetie lovey pet…the flag is a sym-bol.  Can you say sym-bol?  That’s a very grownup word that means the object stands for something else.  It is the something else that is important, not the object.  Oh, and by the way, clean your bifocals and stop watching so many afternoon soaps.  Real emotion looks a bit different to what you’re accustomed to seeing on The Bold and the Beautiful.  (P.S.  Sunlight soap—works for all my dirty flags).

    • Gary says:

      03:42am | 14/02/11

      Joan, I read your post and was astounded that Gillard ‘dumped it in a heap on her desklike some piece of dirty laundry’.  Not once, not twice, but three times!.  Of and you forgot to mention that she is a redhead, a barren spinster and an athiest!.

    • Joan says:

      07:36am | 14/02/11

      Gary….. Gillard said ` Closing the gap` up to 10 times in a short speech…. repetition works for her ..... she does it all the time and usually more than three times…. open your ears and you will hear… and since you are into counting…. count.
      Razor….. Who cares… you`re a Liberal!... you think this means what you say is more important especially when you really say nothing.

    • Catching up says:

      08:26am | 14/02/11

      When people are distressed, they do not notice how they put things down.  PM Gillard did look at little upset when she sat down. Some will say she is acting, if so she is a wonderful actress.  Is this important in the scheme of things.

    • Gregg says:

      11:38am | 13/02/11

      Well Penbo, lets as Tony said put things into context.

      One constant criticism of Tony Abbott is his seeming bluntness and/or aggressiveness depending on what side of the road you are on but he also someone who has served his country in a few different formats outside of politics as some politicians may do.
      What you see is what you get and then some Dud like Riley attempts to make something of an Australian soldiers death and a discussion that Tony Abbott has had with military people about the conditions in which they operate.
      Any leader or would be leader who would not be so furious about that and that it was just going to re-open wounds for a grieving widow is not worth being a leader of this nation.
      And Riley ought to consider himself confined to the gutter, not for having the affrontery to make some sort of ridiculous suggestion to Tony, merely an attempt at Muck raking bit no concern whatsoever as to how it may impact on the widow and other family members.

      I see Penbo, a caption on your photograph that reads ” The Tony Abbott Wobble ” and look as hard as I can at any video and I see not a wobble but a man so furious and yet constraining himself and using the body language which one does with a yeah yeah nodding of the head to say ” What sort of a [ whatever ill name you can conjure up ] are you “
      Riley with his comeon, gimmee attempt was then told he had his answer.

      It’ll only be the Labrats who’ll be wanting to drum up more on it.

      Now Julia and whichever Julia she admits herself is going to be on display and she is so praised by her supporters as being Parliaments best performer and yet outside of it she [ and other ministers ] will refuse to give answers to anything, even wjen the ol Red Kerry had introduced her himself on abc 4corners and Liz Jackson said what about this Carbon Tax we were not going to have as you promised in your electioneering - the result being her Ho HO ho, you cannot expect me to talk about Cabinet decisions etc.

      So yes, her numbers are down and she’ll do whatever she can to get up and has done so before and so where best to try something other than with praise from the Red one?, and would that not be where she is supposedly more comfortable, somewhere where she knows she can put on a performance, in parliament!

      So no small wonder that Gillards display of emotion is questioned for which Julia is it and where has it been on show?

      Do you think it may have also been appropriate for a call from her to Beckie with some words of comfort?
      But is it so strange that she has had made no comment whatsoever about an gutter level issue?, any chance she had wind of what was going to be attempted! or was even pleased to hope the opposition could be distracted!

      And then her words ” and we are Australians ” or whatever for did that ring a bell with you Penbo?
      Just to ring one for you, yes it was Anna B and ” And remember who we are as Queenslanders etc. ”
      Come on mate, crikey what an attempt at a performance.

      And they both no doubt had notes written, Ann a for sure for hers are now historical.

      So yeah, lets have it all in total context of a PM being on the way out and trying to slow the slide and for sure the dirty tricks team will be commissioned.
      For my money, we have a PM we should not have, one who does not deserve to be there and an alternative PM that many people may despise, probably because he is head and shoulders above those who may have decked Riley.

    • SteveM says:

      12:26pm | 13/02/11

      Spot on Gregg!....and Penbo you’re wrong!

      I wish someone would do a story on the inept media that covers Canberra!

      I watched the Insiders program today, which I quite like, but for most of the program they were talking about Tony Abbott and the Coalition….almost like they were the Government and they need to be held to account! It was only when Andrew Bolt bought up that point they moved on - although the look in Barrie Cassidy’s eyes you can see he was not happy…or maybe he could see he was caught out?

      The media lack any accountability because they all know they ‘have each other’s back. Disgrace!

    • Billie Mathera says:

      01:20pm | 13/02/11

      Bolt is an inarticulate fool.
      How he got to be the conservative cheerleader is beyond me.
      Guess they wanted someone as dumb as the audience.

    • Joan says:

      02:43pm | 13/02/11

      Billie Mathera;  Nothing so dumb as people who vote for a backstabber Gillard who kniffed peoples PM overnight and those that voted for the thugs who helped make it happen. While the rest of the world busy removing these types ... some people here vote them in. Dumb.

    • Warren says:

      04:07pm | 13/02/11

      Spot on @Billie. No wonder is he known as Australia’s village idiot.

    • Aasq says:

      06:27pm | 13/02/11

      That was a particularly funny moment on Insiders when Andrew Bolt started whining about changing the topic, only to have Barrie Cassidy cut him off by introducing the clip about precisely what Bolt was whining about. As David Marr then gladly pointed out, “All you had to do was wait a bit.”

    • Euripides says:

      04:38am | 14/02/11

      LOL I would imagine the educated, prolific, generally fair and deep thinking Bolt would take it as a supreme compliment to be bagged by the likes of you pair, Billie and Warren! At least he examines both sides of most arguments, which is more than most could say for the rather more sallow element of our press gallery you so obviously endorse! I’ll bet your idea of a great journalist is the tabloid hack Mark Riley, or the intellectual guttersnipe Catherine Deveny.

    • DoltA says:

      09:59am | 14/02/11

      Euripides
      Bolt is an idiot
      Here is a guy who doesn’t understand something as simple as unit pricing in supermarkets. Probably the most useful piece of information you can have in a supermarket and he just doesn’t understand it.
      Now he is a climate change expert.
      Go Figure

    • PaulB says:

      10:52am | 14/02/11

      Bolt?? Analyze both sides of an argument??  He’s a shill.  Nothing more.  He’s an opinion for hire.  I doubt he believes in anything much.  He’d just love a gig on FOXNews.

    • Michelle says:

      12:02pm | 13/02/11

      I am sick to the stomach of journalists making mileage out of Mark Riley’s gutter tactics. All it achieves is burning those journalists names into my brain, as associated with Riley’s gutter journalism.

    • Richard says:

      12:09pm | 13/02/11

      I think the political events of last week can serve as sort of a Rorschach test to see where your political allegiances lie. If you think Tony Abbott’s words/lack of words were “disgusting” and “despicable”, and that Gillard’s emotional outpouring in Parliament was “moving” and “poignant”, I think the odds are good that you’re a rusted on Laborite.

      On the other hand, if you feel that (like me, tragically) Tony Abbott did absolutely nothing wrong and was the victim of a vicious smear campaign/“gotcha attempt, but that Gillard’s “performance” in parliament was nothing more than “crocodile tears”, “choreographed” to be “manipulative”, its quite clear that you’re an outrageously biased Liberal supporter.

      And for the ones like Penbo who think that both Abbott AND Gillard did absolutely nothing wrong in these situations last week, well you must be paragons of balance and impartiality.

      I dunno about the ones who condemn both Abbott and Gillard over last weeks events. Perhaps you guys are just anarchists.

    • MH says:

      02:43pm | 13/02/11

      Spot on. The Rorschach works at the publication level too. If you’re are a News Ltd publication, Abbott was ambushed and Julia crocodiled. If Fairfax, Jules was genuine and Tony’s silence was a Latham moment.

      Is it just me or have our broadsheets given up all pretence of objectivity in recent years? I seem to remember a time when the Oz and the SMH/Age, while tending somewhat right and left respectively, actually presented a relatively non-partisan view. Now you know exactly how they will report any given story without needing to turn a page.

    • NoNames says:

      05:11pm | 13/02/11

      Nup. You need some perspective.

      Suggest you read Oakes’ column in Saturday’s Tele.

      Glib oversimplifying of good/bad left/right black/white gets us nowhere.

    • acotrel says:

      07:16am | 14/02/11

      Rubbish Richard, I’m outraged that Murdoch would try to manipulate in this way!

    • Andrew says:

      10:36pm | 14/02/11

      The attempts at impartiality were still there (even those papers with a known slight bias - eg The Age’s slight left leanings)  until about 2003. From that point all pretence ended.

      I can only say that the list of names of political commentators in the Australian is a national disgrace. I was amused to see the 7:1 bias in political commentators in favour of the Coalition when I picked this joke of a newspaper up the other day.

      It’s tough to say it but I think 2GB would probably give a fairer political commentary than the Australian these days and I note that as I type that every single one of it’s interviews is with a shadow minister or opposition spokesman. LOL.

      It isn’t even an attempt at fair and balanced journalism any more. SMH the most impartial newspaper in the country…. who woulda thunk it.

    • Peter says:

      12:29pm | 13/02/11

      The channel seven news attempt to de stabilise Abbott didn’t quite go to plan so instead of apologising to him and the wife of the soldier they then tried to make a story about Abbott’s response.Disgusting at the very least and if Riley represents the average Canberra press journalist then they should all hang your heads in shame.

    • Jim says:

      01:59pm | 13/02/11

      Well said. Australians deserve far better, more intelligent reporting of news and especially in the political sphere. Channel 7 and in particular their news & current affairs team have long been at the butt end of the industry.

      Slow news day, Channel 7? Or are you all just a little bit slow there when it comes to “accurate & timely news reporting”? As for you, Riley - you’re the current joke of the industry. Find another career.
      .

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      04:03pm | 13/02/11

      Actually Mark Riley has been successful beyond his wildest dreams. He has gone from a relatively unknown reporter to a widely known name. He has gathered a great deal of attention over that story and has written himself into political history. Slam the reporter all you want, the simple fact is that if Tony Abbott hadn’t given the 45 second death stare, there would be no story. Tony fell for a reporter’s bait- hook, line and sinker.

    • MichaelP says:

      06:54am | 14/02/11

      Shane from Melbourne - Abbott wins the day! Have you seen the latest neilsen poll? He would be PM if an election were held today with even more of a majority.

    • Against the Man says:

      01:05pm | 13/02/11

      Gillard isn’t a good person. Back stabber, lazy policy maker, hopeless social life. She just isn’t a good person. And that translates to not so good things for the rest of us.

    • The Badger says:

      01:28pm | 13/02/11

      Who are you, Tim Mathieson?
      You know so much about Gillard I’m sure you get your information from the conservative version of woman’s weekly. Funnily enough, I haven’t actually seen that one on the news stands. Do you have to order it special, or does it come with a donation to the conservative fight the levy fund? I suspect Rosie and Joan have a subscription as well based on their inside information and critique of the PM’s lifestyle.

    • Against the Man says:

      05:06pm | 13/02/11

      Oh Badger if you haven’t figured out the ‘real’ julia by now than that is really sad. She now can’t fix health till 2018. Well done for supporting a dangerously incompetent fake pm gillard. She is hopeless and useless and that is pretty obvious.

    • The Badger says:

      01:48am | 14/02/11

      What was that about fixing health?

      The only dangerous politician I see is Abbott and his rabble.

    • Rita says:

      01:15pm | 13/02/11

      I saw in the picture a man who was controlling is urge to punch the journalists lights out .
      Besides being old news as it happened we are told in October, it was taken totally out of contexts as are a lot of things in the media.

    • Holly says:

      02:45pm | 13/02/11

      I question the point of this article.  It just seems to give the usual suspects an opportunity to harangue us with their irrational views.  Enough is enough. Can we move on please and talk about something of substance.

    • Seano says:

      02:51pm | 13/02/11

      Gillard was nothing but genuine in parliament and I agree that Abbott was gracious in recognising that fact. Good on them both in this regard for this was truly a national tragedy that did not need people cheapening by politicising for cheap points.

      Tony Abbott had nothing to answer for over the “shit happens” comment.

      But Abbott did or should have known (as his press secretary had been advised and his office had been trying to block the footage for months) that the question was coming and he should have handled it better.

      Not every question a journo asks is going to be good or particularly fair, but I’d rather live in a society where they are free to ask what they like (stupid or not) than say Egypt.

    • Ben81 says:

      04:18pm | 13/02/11

      Are you referring to the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd time the reporter continued to push the question?

    • Seano says:

      06:27pm | 13/02/11

      I was specifically referring to the first.

      If there was a second or a thrid well then that’s Abbott’s fault for not answering the first.

    • Ben81 says:

      12:10am | 14/02/11

      “If there was a second or a thrid well then that’s Abbott’s fault for not answering the first.”

      Well that’s funny, I thought you only just said he had nothing to answer for, which by a handy coincidence is pretty much the answer he gave the reporter straight away.

    • Seano says:

      06:54am | 14/02/11

      I did champ, he had not done anything wrong by saying “shit happens”. I also said it was the job of journos to ask questions and not every question had to be a good one.

      It is also the job of a pollie to answer questions, not stand there swaying like a punch drunk fool.

    • Catching uo says:

      08:34am | 14/02/11

      Abbott made the story, not Mark Riley.

    • Ben81 says:

      01:27pm | 14/02/11

      “It is also the job of a pollie to answer questions, not stand there swaying like a punch drunk fool. “
      He did, twice.  He gave the answer that even reflects the view you’ve formed yourself about it.  Wasn’t good enough for the reporter, too bad. Still isn’t good enough for you even though you agree with the answer he gave, simply because it’s Tony Abbott.  How sad, what’s your next excuse?

    • Seano says:

      01:53pm | 14/02/11

      Standing their stupidly trying to contain your rage isn’t silent dignity no matter how much you try to pretend othewise. Nor is it an answer to the question.

    • Seano says:

      03:23pm | 14/02/11

      *there

    • Ben81 says:

      06:00pm | 14/02/11

      ...he answered the question.  (Repeat x 1000)
      Twit.

    • Seano says:

      07:01pm | 14/02/11

      “....he answered the question. “

      He stood there like a goose, unable to handle a question he’d been prepared for on a piece of footage his office had tried to censor for months.

      “Twit. “

      Of course that comment is up to your usual standard Ben when you yet again fail to win the argument on logic. But then I guess on a blog it’s hard to respond by swaying in drunk like stupor and then pretend that represents a dignified silence, far better to go the mature route. Kudos.

    • Ben81 says:

      07:40pm | 14/02/11

      “He stood there like a goose, unable to handle a question he’d been prepared for on a piece of footage his office had tried to censor for months. “
      Yes he stood there in silence after again answering the question.  Have you only watched footage edited to only show him standing there or something?  Weird.  I’d ask if your problem is actually that you didn’t like his answer, but we’ve already established that you agree with it.

      “Of course that comment is up to your usual standard Ben when you yet again fail to win the argument on logic.”
      Go ahead and watch the footage again, listen to his answers, and then come back and say that he didn’t answer.  My ‘argument’ is simply that he answered the question.  This is becoming more and more entertaining every time you post as usual, champ.

    • Seano says:

      09:10pm | 14/02/11

      Grow up. Abbott says the comment was taken out of context Riley asks the perfectly reasonable question “What’s the context” cue Abbott looking like a complete goose.

      There was nothing dignified about being so apoleptic with rage that he could not respond let alone keep his head still. There is certainly nothing dignified about the embarrasing scramble to pretend that another Abbott gaff was the response of a dignified statesman.

    • Ben81 says:

      09:16pm | 14/02/11

      Just saw Media Watch too by the way, they went over those answers a few times and strongly agreed with him.  Hope you caught it, you would have been able to see what it seems you’ve been missing all this time.

    • Ryan says:

      09:27pm | 14/02/11

      Seano: this sums you and the rest of you cockroaches who are still trying to make some political mileage off this sad event. Now pull your filthy little head in and show the family of our fallen digger some respect.

      I have learned from this whole disrespectful debacle that this statement is too true.
      “Society has always seemed to demand a little more from human beings than it will get in practice. George Orwell”

    • Seano says:

      10:47pm | 14/02/11

      @Ryan - I always enjoy a dim, bile spewing right winger with a quote he doesn’t understand. Cheers.

      @Ben - I’ve seen the complete footage. The issue has always been Abbott’s inability to handle a question he knew was coming.

    • Ben81 says:

      11:41pm | 14/02/11

      So you’re now not specifically referring to the first time he was asked anymore, or even the 2nd, even though your problem is that he should have answered those questions, even though he clearly did?  Got it, I think.

    • Seano says:

      06:47am | 15/02/11

      So now you’re pretending that asking about the comment being told it was taken out of context and then asking about the context were the same question. How desperate. Got it, I think.

    • TimB says:

      08:56am | 15/02/11

      Seano why should TA have answered the question?

      Channel 7 had the context. They were the ones who took it OUT of context in the first place. They already KNEW the answer to the question. And you seem to think its ok for Channel 7 to deliberately set him up then expect him to explain the details of the set up.

      Ridiculous.

      BTW if Ryan has so misinterpreted the quote, by all means explain to us poor uneducated right-wingers what was meant. Enlighten Ryan with your superior wisdom so he may mend his wicked ways.

    • Seano says:

      10:49am | 15/02/11

      Stand back citizens it’s super timmy to rescue.

      “Seano why should TA have answered the question?”

      Because he’s a politician and that’s his job. Unless you’re proposing some sort of totalitarian society where politicians don’t have to answer questions.

      “Channel 7 had the context.”

      Only after Abbott’s office tried to block the footage for 3 months, which is news worthy in itself.

      “They already KNEW the answer to the question.”

      It’s not up to journo’s to KNOW it’s up to them to ASK. Welcome to democracy.

      “And you seem to think its ok for Channel 7 to deliberately set him up then expect him to explain the details of the set up.”

      I think it’s ok for journos to ask questions of pollies. Especially when those pollies have been briefed in advance about the questions to be asked. Again welcome to democracy.

      “Ryan has so misinterpreted the quote”

      “Society has always seemed to demand a little more from human beings than it will get in practice.” George Orwell

      From Ryan’s fetid brain: “sums you and the rest of you cockroaches”, “pull your filthy little head”. Surely society demands more than it’s getting from Ryan. But what would you expect from someone who presumes to speak for “the family of our fallen digger” when the conversation WE’VE been having has been about Abbott and his inability to handle simple questions.

      Tip: Think first them post Timmy.

      I remain as ever, the centre of your universe.

    • Ben81 says:

      11:49am | 15/02/11

      wow, still going on.  It’s really simple Seano, he answered the question.  Read that 50 times slowly if you like.

      “Are you referring to the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd time the reporter continued to push the question? “

      “I was specifically referring to the first.
      If there was a second or a thrid well then that’s Abbott’s fault for not answering the first. “

      Wrong, end of story.  Anyone who watches the footage can see that.  Keep trying to change the argument or weasel out of it if you like, you’re wrong, You really need to learn when to hold ‘em and when to fold ‘em.  I think i’ll leave this one, again, because I doubt you’ll ever admit you’re wrong under any circumstance.

      “Because he’s a politician and that’s his job. Unless you’re proposing some sort of totalitarian society where politicians don’t have to answer questions.
      He did answer.

      Thanks for playing again, better luck next time.  I don’t think i’ll bother coming back to this one…

    • TimB says:

      12:02pm | 15/02/11

      No Seano, journalists aren’t allowed to ask whetever questions they feel like. Some questions should be rightly off limits. Questions regarding policy issues and so forth, fine. Questions regarding deliberate stitch-ups such as this cross the line.

      By your logic, any TV network can go out of their way to concoct a bullshit scenario for any pollie, then pepper them with questions about it. Then when *any* reaction is given (as you can rightly assume there would be from any normal person), you can crow about that instead.

      You can’t crtiticise a reaction to a question that should never have been asked regarding a deliberate cocked up allegation that should never have been made.
      Well I guess you *can* crticise,  but only when you’re so blinded by hate for Tony Abbott all rational reasoning flies from your mind.

      BTW nowhere in your rambling response did you share your interpretation of the quote. I can only assume Ryan got it right regardless if it applies to him or not.

      And you still haven’t got that ego problem licked I see.  Or your originality issues. Still trotting out the same tired baseless lines.

      I’m thinking of starting a Seano drinking game. Take a swig whenever the words “Champ”, “Unelectable” or the phrase “Centre of your universe” appear in a Seano post.

      Anyone taking part will need a liver transplant by the end of the month.

    • Seano says:

      12:35pm | 15/02/11

      It’s real simple Ben, standing there, head wobbling is not answering the question and it’s not dignified, pretend as you might otherwise.

    • Seano says:

      02:36pm | 15/02/11

      At the risk of feeding the troll Timmy.

      “No Seano, journalists aren’t allowed to ask whetever questions they feel like.”

      Of course they are, unless you want to go and live in communist China that is. Some questions might be outside the bounds of good taste but that’s living in a free democracy for you. Where you accusing the press and the right wing demagoguery of crossing the line when Rudd was being questioned over Scores and Ear wax? I bet you word captain courageous.

      “By your logic, any TV network can go out of their way to concoct a bullshit scenario for any pollie”

      Let’s get one thing straight boy, the moment Abbott’s office tried to supress footage in a free democracy is the moment the footage became news worthy and the moment that any claims of concocted stories became null and void. Abbott dropped “shit happens” into a conversation about the death of a digger, some people including this man’s father found that in itself offensive. If Abbott had an ounce of common sense he would have taken the question HE KNEW WAS COMING and used the opportunity to clear the air. Instead of over reacting because someone dared to question him.

      “You can’t crtiticise a reaction to a question that should never have been asked regarding a deliberate cocked up allegation that should never have been made.”

      There is no such thing in a free democracy as a question that should never be asked, especially when regardless of the context Abbott said the comment in, some people (including relatives) where still offended. And of course when a seasoned, senior politician, the alternate PM cannot answer a simple question for which he was PREPARED IN ADVANCE then there is a problem.

      “Well I guess you *can* crticise,  but only when you’re so blinded by hate for Tony Abbott all rational reasoning flies from your mind.”

      Yes that’s right, claim hate when you can’t win on logic.

      “nowhere in your rambling response did you share your interpretation of the quote.”

      Whoever is reading this for you must have missed this comment in response to Ryan’s misused quote:

      Seano: “From Ryan’s fetid brain: “sums you and the rest of you cockroaches”, “pull your filthy little head”. Surely society demands more than it’s getting from Ryan. But what would you expect from someone who presumes to speak for “the family of our fallen digger” when the conversation WE’VE been having has been about Abbott and his inability to handle simple questions.”

      “I’m thinking of starting a Seano drinking game. Take a swig whenever the words “Champ”, “Unelectable” or the phrase “Centre of your universe” appear in a Seano post.”

      Well besides it being illegal for children to drink Timmy, how am I not the centre of your universe? When you pompously wade in on a conversation that you haven’t been involved in, on a thread that’s dropped off most other people’s radar (let alone the front page) with your usual guff and logical fallacies. Oh I forgot, you’re a troll and that’s what trolls do, play the man instead of the ball, and as such I’m done feeding you.

      Bye, CHAMP, love and Kisses from the CENTRE OF YOUR UNIVERSE, don’t forget Tony Abbott still remains UNELECTABLE.

    • Ryan says:

      05:27pm | 15/02/11

      @Seano: perhaps you need an education, perhaps you are just that pompous and pathetic that you haven’t a clue to what I refer. Quite simply put your claim that this has nothing to do with the fallen digger is false and you know it, you filthy little wretches just can’t help and want to make political mileage off this. By all means, we already know how much you hate Surf Lifesaving Australia and their attire, continue the sad and pathetic budgie smuggler bashing and whatever other irrelevant rubbish you want to use, this one however is not on. Anyone with an ounce of morals would see the bigger picture but unfortunately for you Seano, we know you are unable to see the bigger picture and morals, well your responses speak for themselves, hence the quote.
      Ok the quote, let me explain it clearly so you can understand, the quote is directed directly at you and an expectation by society that you might actually have some morals and be able to steer clear of this, just as your leaders did, they steered way clear, unfortunately society expected just a little too much from you.
      So sad really, I feel so sorry for you.

    • Seano says:

      05:52pm | 15/02/11

      @Ryan – Yet another delusional conservative who can’t argue logically but thinks an ad hominem attack is just as good.

      You talk of morals is laughable in light of your personally directed, pointless, rambling, ranting, loopy (surf lifesaving silliness) and completely off topic rant. .

      Your misuse of a quote from George Orwell who wrote 1984 depicting a futuristic totalitarian society when one of the key issues being “debated” is the freedom of the press and the expectation that politicians in our society answer to us and not the other way around is beyond hilarious.

    • Ryan says:

      08:41pm | 15/02/11

      @Seano: yes Seano, clearly I am the one who has misquoted George Orwell, at least I am the one that knows where the quote comes from and the fact that George Orwell didn’t just author one book 1984. Perhaps you should read “Animal Farm” it has an uncanny resemblance to your favoured political party.
      Anyway, the quote I directed at you was not from an Orwell book but an essay “The Art of Donald McGill”.
      Your response was quite sad really, if not quite embarrassing for you. Oh well, I guess all is not lost, at least you knew who Orwell was and that he penned a book at some point.

    • Seano says:

      09:53pm | 15/02/11

      @Ryan - You use a quote that say society expects more from people than it gets. You offer this pearl of wisdom in amongst abuse of those with whom you disagree as if those with a differing opinion are scum who have no right to exist and you sit there pontificating on Orwell.

      Not smart.

    • Marilyn Shepherd says:

      04:29pm | 13/02/11

      Gillard gave another condolence motion on Wednesday, followed by Abbott.

      They stated that the people who died on the shipwreck last year were fellow human beings - the survivors are still in frigging prison on Christmas island and after a great deal of pressure they only released the bodies for burial today.

      There is the body of an 8 month old girl who drowned still in the morgue while her dad is in the frigging prison grieving.

      No tears for them.  No mention of the hellish climate we have made in Iraq, the torture of the Kurds by Turkey and Iran, the torture by the mad mullahs of Iran of dissidents.

      Just “the people smugglers done it”, when they all know there are no people smugglers and never have been.

      They revolt me both of them.

      But the real problem for Abbott is that he tried to pretend it was an ambush when he had been fighting the release of the film for 3 months and had the list of questions for the interview hours in advance.

      As for that bloody flag, it looked like it had just been taken out of the plastic bag and it was made in China.

    • Ben81 says:

      05:16pm | 13/02/11

      “Just “the people smugglers done it”, when they all know there are no people smugglers and never have been.”

      They’re the ones who were put out of business before Rudd came along and are now back in the game, Marilyn.  Remember when barely any boats arrived, we had a few hundred in immigration detention instead of >6000, were closing down detention centres instead of opening them, took in just as many refugees responsibly, all while John Howard was still demonised over it?  Ahh those were the days, pity people don’t care now that it’s Labor running the show.

    • Syl says:

      10:59am | 14/02/11

      “There are no people smugglers”?????

      I would LOVE to hear you justification for that bold statement.  I can’t stand either politician either but making rubbish up to prove your point is not a good tactic.

      p.s. whether we should have entered Iraq is open for debate, but to insinuate that we somehow caused the torture of the kurds etc is pretty far fetched from my understanding.  Middle East internal tensions are not a product of western society or Australia, they are a product of Middle Eastern society.  Our input may not have helped as much as it could have, but the problem existed before we were involved.

    • Loulou says:

      02:25pm | 14/02/11

      Marilyn Sheppard - I’m wondering where your information came from RE: the non existance of people smugglers? You should probably let the AFP know, probably give Interpol a quick buzz too.
      I think they may be interested, they have apparently been wasting a lot of money trying to track them down, gosh they’re going to feel silly when you tell them that there is no such thing as people smugglers!

      Also, it is a bit of a stretch to say the least to imply that Australian intervention in Iraq caused the torture of Kurds - Middle Eastern politics is a very complicated issue, and the grudges that are held against various groups by others have been held for a very, very long time. A lot longer than our deployment in Iraq & Afghanistan….

    • Gran says:

      04:23pm | 14/02/11

      Marilyn what kind of moran are you,firstly you degrade our service people ,then anyone else that is breathing fresh air,which you seem to be badly in need of from the bottom of your pond,i hope you are not breeding down there,because it would be sh*t breeding sh*t, and as Tony Abbott said sh*t happens,for what ever reason you are a very lonely nasty unhappy person that has a gruge against the world,chin up it may get better

    • Paul says:

      04:58pm | 13/02/11

      Agreed.  There’s less perspective in Australian political journalism/discussion than a year 1 art class.

    • nossy says:

      05:16pm | 13/02/11

      Guilty as charged Penbo ! Yes we put the “slipper” in on a regular basis but I really do wonder with say blogs has one vote ever changed ? Most people on blogs are already polarised to their particular political party and I do doubt strongly very few votes are ever changed by our often passionate arguments and at times even a little “propaganda” that accidentally creeps in. But its all great fun anyway Penbo ! Now what was I going to say about Tones ..... ?

    • Soames says:

      06:56pm | 13/02/11

      Yes Pembo, I agree with most of what you’ve said. But as usual, commenters here are so busy squabbling amongst themselves, to concentrate and form an opinion on your remarks. Same old same old.  It fills up the space. Of course, you being the editor-in-chief, it behoves you to foment such ‘opinion;. It’s your job. At this point in time, the subject material is like last night’s champagne, the fizz has gone.

    • ZSRenn says:

      07:32pm | 13/02/11

      Why are getting this crap shovelled at us again?

      The answer is simple. Spills sell!

      Attack Gillard! Attack Tony! Attack Kevin! Attack Julie! Just keep attacking boys and we will get our spill from somewhere.
      We need to sell papers!
      We need ratings!
      We need hits on our Analytical Google page!.
      Just keep attacking.

      It’s about time the press were investigated and charges brought against them for the manipulation of our democracy and the destabalisation of our governments.

    • hermes says:

      06:56am | 14/02/11

      But Zeta, it makes for such entertaining reading. No-one could be so base as to accuse Rupert of wanting to manipulate goverments, and er, nudge, the course of democracy. But we are all products of the media, whether this be News.com, the ABC or god forbid, Channel 7. Kerry also wants to be a player, dont forget he owns Caterpillar, which services WA’s resources sector - http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/opinion/seven-caterpillar-deal-makes-sense-for-stoke-and-shareholders/story-e6frergx-1225833184947. Hmm, wheels within wheels, methinks. Oh, and I think both Gillard and Abbott are probably genuine…genuine lightweights, neither of whom should be PM.

    • hermes says:

      07:05am | 14/02/11

      Sorry Zeta, a typo when I responded to ZSRenn using your name…your post must have resounded with me… In our constant argument about the merits and failings of the leaders of the two major political parties, we forget the obvious…the country is not run by Gillard or Abbott, it is run by the bureaucracies, and the department heads. Anyone working in Govt can tell you that, with few exceptions, the Minister is usually someone, with little knowledge of his/her portfolio, who is spoonfed by the bureaucracy…of course poliiticians don’t write their own speeches, responses, etc… However, to some extent I agree with you ZSRann, I often state that the most powerful person in the Western world is Rupert Murdoch.

    • chungo mung says:

      10:37pm | 13/02/11

      Thankyou David, nice call. We have so much in this amazing country, especially in terms of wealth, freedom and opportunity, yet we apathetically partake in disingenuous circus games that devalue the very systems and way of life, that we, as ‘the west’ suggest the entire rest of the world adopt. This is to ridiculous to even be ironic. Its just lame, and it is the reason our pollies get worse by the minute; and our performance politics spirals further into the obscene. These monsters are essentially created by us, and we are responsible.

    • Davo says:

      07:16am | 14/02/11

      S**t doesn’t happen
      A**eholes cause it

    • Catching up says:

      07:23am | 14/02/11

      I for one do not hate Mr. Abbott.  I do not have any respect for him. It is his words and actions that has led me to reject anything he says or does.  If the man grows up I might consider reversing my opinions of him.

    • Tom says:

      08:44am | 14/02/11

      I’m sure he lies awake at night worrying about what you think of him.

    • Andrew says:

      07:28am | 14/02/11

      Mr Rabbit has his flaws, but it shows how pathetic *we* are when we complain about an insignificant slip of the tongue. If it was a slip in moral character, that would deserve *some* attention, but not the nonsense that has been going on the past few days.

    • Huey says:

      07:33am | 14/02/11

      Why do pollies have to answer every question put to them? Time and again I see stupid questions thrown at them -off subject, jmmaterial rude or just to get a reaction. In paliament ..fair enough I suppose ..the speaker can decide relevance.  At press conferences etc they should be able to rebutt off-subject or same question put six different ways rubbish with “next question” or a stick for the persistent ones.

    • Pete says:

      07:53am | 14/02/11

      Well, and FOI application was made several MONTHS before the interview, defence tried to block it, Abbots office would have known then, Abbots’s office were given several hours notice, plus the questions that were to be asked.  On the insiders it showed Abbot coming out for the interview, looking for all intents like a rabbit in the spotlight he was shown the footage and asked whether or not he was being dismissive of a soldiers death,  he said it was being taken out of context,  went into the silent noddy mode, Mark Riley then said “well If I had it out of context, what context was it stated in?”  Abbot didnt/ wouldnt reply.  A fair call by Riley I think.  As far as I’m concerned all journos go after a story, so no holier tyhan thou attitudes from the press gallery please.

      Abbot stuffed up the interview, end of story, he could have simply stated that he was remarking on the fact that in war people get hurt or worse.

    • Catching up says:

      08:41am | 14/02/11

      What would the reaction be if it was PM Gillard not Abbott.

    • Pete says:

      10:24am | 14/02/11

      exactly the same, except abbott would be baying for her blood

    • hermes says:

      08:17am | 14/02/11

      In my 50 odd years, having had multiple jobs and living in 6 countries (well, I get bored easily); I have realised (probably belatedly) that very few people are, in any way, exceptional. Some are a bit more intelligent, some are good public speakers, some are good at sport. However, in most cases, the level of elevation of a person has little to do with any personal trait other than ambition. Some of the *stupidest* people I have ever met are CEOs, politicians and academics…and some of the most intelligent are ordinary people, with no degrees or six figure salaries. Biologically, humans are a social hierarchical species, and some just want to be top monkey, alpha ape or lead wildebeest. Whether this be the school PTA, the office social club, the local environmental group, or federal politics, the same type of person always has to be the boss. If s/he cannot be, they then foment discontent in that group, and form a rival group. This is well recognised in social pyschology. In the majority of cases, being the boss, has little to do with either leadership, or ability; and most of us more thinking humans, should just ignore their petty squabbles. As Demotivators so aptly put it; “It’s best to avoid standing directly between a competitive jerk and his goals”.

    • Debbie says:

      08:21am | 14/02/11

      “Neither Tony Abbott nor Julia Gillard deserve that level of ridicule. It suggests that they are pretty much morally bankrupt.” Wrong .. they do deserve this level of ridicule because they are both morally bankrupt like 99% of party politicians in this country.

    • Ryan says:

      09:03am | 14/02/11

      The people who didn’t deserve this filthy display was the family of the fallen soldier. The long and the short of it is the fact that there are now many left wing nut-jobs (just take a look above at the usual suspects for examples) that have no respect for the dead and even less respect for those who give their lives in defense of their freedoms.

    • Loulou says:

      10:13am | 14/02/11

      Well, so much for letting this topic die a natural death… snore. Tony Abbott is the new Gen Y on the punch it would seem.
      I was actually hoping to not see any articles about ‘shit happens’ on here this morning, but I guess The Punch can’t let it die when people are still commenting hey?

      Oh crap. I commented on it.

      Damn,

    • Political Tarot says:

      10:27am | 14/02/11

      I can’t stand Abbott but the media attention to this was certainly uncalled for and undeserved. “Shit happens” was probably not the best phrase to use, however, I don’t believe he intended any respect to the soldier who died. However, perhaps he now understands how Julia Gillard might have felt ever since she became Prime Minister, with all the rubbish in the media about irrelevancies like her clothes, marital status and ears. He’s had a very easy ride of it so far, thanks to Rupert and his right-wing media hacks. As for the people saying Julia Gillard’s emotion was “fake”, they should be ashamed of themselves. Both Abbott and Gillard and human and neither have deserved the disgraceful attacks on them that occurred this week.

    • Jolanda says:

      11:22am | 14/02/11

      Everybody knows that if you have nothing nice to say then you should say nothing at all.  Tony Abbott, understandably, had nothing nice to say to the idiot who pushed this issue.  It was a damned if you do and damned if you don’t question.  The fact that he remained silent was appropriate and smart.

      Education – Keeping them Honest
      http://jolandachallita.typepad.com/

 

Facebook Recommendations

Read all about it

Punch live

Up to the minute Twitter chatter

ToryShepherd

Cheeky beers with morning papers in unexpected sunshine http://t.co/MD7VPRne

Anthony Sharwood

http://t.co/Zq0nGxkf nice pic of Thredbo this morning

Paul Colgan

@seamus yeah it's now called Smooth or Soft or Douchey Dad FM or something

Paul Colgan

It's a Sydney thing, but 95.3FM... Why? It used to be all Bohemian Rhapsody and Walk this Way; now it's Father to Son and Country Road. Wah.

Recent posts

The latest and greatest

We don’t deserve this huge, exciting scientific project

We don’t deserve this huge, exciting scientific project

I’d like to be able to say that sharing the world’s largest radio telescope with South Africa…

Mining money talks the loudest in Australian politics

Mining money talks the loudest in Australian politics

When North Queensland Liberal MP George Christensen got the idea of launching a new political organisation…

Please enter your password

Please enter your password

Help! I’ve succumbed to a crippling modern illness that can strike at any moment. Symptoms include:…

Nosebleed Section

choice ringside rantings

From: They must pay for one’s bitter disappointments

Michael S says:

"A teacher at Geelong Grammar had criticised her for using words that were too long, which had left her confused and had made her doubt her ability to write essays. She became ''quite distressed'' when her English marks began to fall." I can sympathise. My scholastic mentors conveyed to me a causal relationship… [read more]

From: Welfare for breeders is a bonus for everyone

Change Up! says:

I have no problem paying my taxes. As a single, childless person on a very decent income, I can afford it and not have my life severely altered. Plus I understand that my taxes paying for things like schools, childcare and infrastructure is ultimately a good thing. A better community is better for me… [read more]

Gentle jabs to the ribs

They must pay for one’s bitter disappointments

They must pay for one’s bitter disappointments

A private school girl’s family is sueing her elite, extremely expensive private school for not… Read more

243 comments

Newsletter

Read all about it

Sign up to the free daily Punch newsletter