As we wait for Wayne Swan to announce his fourth budget deficit, here’s a small preview of what to expect. Warning:  the following contains plot spoilers.

Cartoon: Peter Nicholson

Wayne will claim credit for the work of others, ignore his record and point to promises not achievements

Wayne Swan will try to take credit for outcomes built on economic reforms that he had nothing to do with, and in many cases opposed.

Like repaying $96 billion of Labor debt, reforming the financial system, tax reform, strengthening prudential supervision and welfare-to-work reforms.  All achievements of a Coalition Government.  All critical to Australia’s response to the GFC (along with Chinese demand and, it must be said, some Hawke-Keating era reforms).

The Treasurer will ask us to believe that net debt of around $100 billion in 2011-12 is a good result by referencing other countries.

Never mind that Australia started in a different position to those countries: with no net debt and $60 billion invested through the Future Fund.  Never mind that Australian banks didn’t need to be bailed out or that Australia is uniquely placed to benefit from the China boom.

Wayne will definitely ask us to overlook that he has never delivered a surplus.

A reminder of Wayne’s record so far: a $27.1 billion deficit in 2008-09, a $54.8 billion deficit in 2009-10, and predictions of a $41.5 billion deficit for 2010-11 as recently as November. 

Yes – that’s right.  The Government estimated in just November last year that its deficit would be $41.5 billion, but now, little over 6 months later, Deloitte Access Economics is predicting that the deficit will be more like $51 billion.  Once upon a time, a $10 billion blow-out would be unheard of, but we have come to expect it from this Government and its Treasurer.

But Wayne will tell us that it’s all OK.  He will tell us that at some point in the future, he will deliver a surplus.  Wayne will ask us to ignore the desert and focus on the mirage.
Wayne won’t factor in the carbon tax

Wayne Swan has claimed that his upcoming budget will be a jobs budget. And we all hope that it actually is.

But expect Wayne to talk only about job creation.  He won’t talk about job destruction.

That’s one reason why Labor will deliberately keep the carbon tax out of the budget.  It would be inconvenient to have to talk about our trade-exposed industries becoming less competitive. It would be inconvenient to talk about Australian jobs going offshore.  It would be inconvenient to talk about the impact of rising input costs on small businesses and their ability to employ people. 

And with price increases starting to eat away at family budgets, Labor definitely won’t want to draw attention to the carbon tax ramping up the costs of living.

Although the carbon tax represents a revolutionary change to the Australian economy, don’t expect to hear much about it.  Don’t expect its impact to be factored into the forward estimates.

Wayne will talk about the best interests of the country – but will focus on the best interests of the Labor Party

In his first budget speech four years ago, Wayne Swan warned of the dangers of inflation. He said Labor was committed to improving productivity and reforming the tax system.

He should do more than just talk about it.  He should focus on it.  And while he is at it, he should focus on our two-speed economy; the sustainability of the resources boom; and the extent to which Australia’s economy is being leveraged to the resources sector.  He should focus on the challenges of a higher and more volatile Australian dollar.

More importantly, he should propose and deliver on genuine reform to address these challenges – not just policies to address Labor’s political interests.

Labor has not implemented a single piece of economic reform that might improve our nation’s long-run productive capacity.

Labor only seems interested in things that they think will play to Labor’s political agenda.  Bleeding votes to the left? – propose a carbon tax.  Bleeding votes to the right? – talk about welfare-to-work reforms.  Youth vote leaking to the greens? – talk up an unaffordable Rolls Royce broadband network.  Program costs going to blow-out, cost billions, drive wage inflation and cripple that same youth vote for years to come with higher taxes? – don’t worry about it, it might not show until after the next election.

In May 2008 Wayne Swan stood at the dispatch box and said “Tonight, I confirm the most comprehensive review of Australia’s tax system since World War II.”  But what has happened to it?  The Henry Tax Review is gathering dust.  He deliberately ignored the Henry Review’s conclusions on retirement savings.  There were 138 recommendations in the tax review.  You can count on one hand the number actually being pursued: most recently (it appears) the FBT proposal on cars and most famously the poorly conceived RSPT.

Wayne will emphasise the headwinds, but not the tailwinds
On Tuesday night, Wayne Swan will tell us that his fourth deficit is not his fault. 

He will blame a high Australian dollar, natural disasters and the financial crisis.  He may even tell us what the budget might have looked like without some of these challenges.  Never mind that it is his job to manage around them.

He won’t mention the headwinds Labor created – the excessive, poorly targeted stimulus spending that still continues to this day.  He won’t mention the billions of dollars that the Government has wasted on combustible roof batts, program blow-outs and overpriced school halls.

And he certainly won’t emphasise the greatest tailwind delivered to any Australian Treasurer.  As the RBA said in its Statement on Monetary Policy on Friday “the forecasts imply that the terms of trade in 2011/12 will be at their highest level since at least 1870 (where the data began).”  You can bet Wayne Swan won’t be talking about the size of the structural deficit and what the budget would look like if Australia’s terms of trade returned to long-term norms.

But you will hear the excuses.  Nothing is ever Wayne’s fault.

Wayne’s budget won’t pass muster

A successful budget needs to pass three critical tests:

1. Is it credible?
2. Does it ease short-term pressures – like those faced by Australian households and small businesses?
3. Does it make the right choices for the longer term – so that future generations don’t end up having to pay more that their fair share?

Sadly for the Australian people, I predict that Wayne Swan will again fail all three.  Sorry to give away the ending.

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    • Shane from Melbourne says:

      02:43pm | 08/05/11

      A crap Labor budget compared to crap Liberal budgets. Who the hell cares anymore? This country is going downhill fast…..

    • Debbie says:

      05:19pm | 08/05/11

      Yes indeed, both of the main political parties in Australia are crap, and the greens are even worse. So you can choose blue crap, red crap or green crap.

    • jim says:

      08:42pm | 08/05/11

      @Debbie, if you mix blue, red and green together. You get Brown Crap.

    • St. Michael says:

      11:37pm | 08/05/11

      @ Jim: No, I believe the Greens currently have the monopoly on (Bob) Brown crap.

    • Brett says:

      12:54pm | 09/05/11

      I must admit that I no longer believe anything any of them say anymore. Has anyone watched question time recently? Dear God, we actually pay these people to act like children? Who is actually running the country while these twats jeer at each other?
      While I hate listening to the sound of the PM’s voice, I just cant see Abbott stepping up and actually “leading”. People hated Howard but I always saw him as and astute, considered, and educated individual. He actually possessed the qualities of character and leadership necessary to be the PM.
      I know this isnt America, and you arent supposed to be voting for the indiviudal, but thats precisely what we do come election time.

    • Against the Man says:

      02:45pm | 08/05/11

      It would seem some people would be very offended by articles like this taking shots at the ALP/Swan/Gilltard but if we look at what these bullsh#@t artists have not delivered and all the broken promises and all the policy failures or all the policies that never even got past the drawing board…...........it seems that this article is just telling us the cold, hard reality…..............the ALP is a hopeless government led by a twit called Julia Gillard and her merry group of incompetent cronies.

      Hey if these ALP bird-brains were doing a great job we wouldn’t see articles like these or see the ALP with low poll numbers or see the ALP win the last election with a resounding majority.

      Now with this Malaysia Asylum Seeker nonsense which allows a foreign country determining who comes to our country and the potential to milk us dry financially…............this government is doing Tony Abbott’s job for him.

      Too sweet smile

    • Peter says:

      03:36pm | 08/05/11

      Do we have any say in which refugees come here or does Malaysia choose to send who they want only?

    • John says:

      03:42pm | 08/05/11

      I cant work this part out. We will give 800 to them (Malaysia) and they will give us 4000 over 4 years (1000 per year). So we get a net increase of 200 refugees who in most circumstances are asylum seekers who have been nabbed in malaysia trying to skip into Australia via illegal means.  For me a refugee is someone who has applied for refugee status from there country of origin or a neighbouring refugee camp.

      Also who will be assessing these refugees status. Will we accepting those Malaysia do not want in there country.

      My last point is one that has already been pointed out, PM Gillard pointed out that Naru was not considered as it had not signed the UN Convention on the Status of Refugees but hold the press niether has Malaysia.

    • CD says:

      04:23pm | 08/05/11

      No John we get a total of 3200 refugees. It’s not 800 each year. Apart from that good points.

      Good article too. At least there’s no BS pretence at 2 sides to this govt that doesn’t exist except in brainwashed Labor minds.

    • Rosie says:

      05:17pm | 08/05/11

      @ Peter

      This is my worry! Do we just leave it to the Malaysian Govt to decide who is sent to Australia? I can just see under the table deals happening. What happens if the boats keep coming and we reach our 800 quota? Does this mean the taxpayer will pay Malaysia for having the 800 boat people and then pay again x 5 for the 4,000 sent to us from Malaysia. It is simply nonsensical!

      People fleeing their birth country from persecution will have the determination to get out. They will find Malaysia a welcoming place to wait patiently, especially if they know it is their only chance of making it legally to Australia. Julia Gillard & Chris Bowen must introduce temporary visas, if they want this idea to at least work. Otherwise, this is a great deal for Malaysia, the more asylum seekers that arrive here, the more money they get from the Aust Govt, the more asylum seekers they send out for our shores.

      Australians needs to start thinking about the future of this country and this minority govt. It is not working and a lot of money will be spent in the next couple of years trying to implement all the issues they have on the table as proof that Gillard has made decisions and trying to deliver them.

      Julia Gillard must forget the bloody deals she made to form Govt and ditch the Independents and Greens. She must lead the Labor Party, the Labor way and have the confidence to face the public if there is a need for another Election.

      Tony Abbott was asked this morning by Andrew Bolt, if the Independents were to switch over to the Coalition side what would he do? Say yes, or no thank you I’m prepared to have another Election! He said he would cross that bridge if he came to it. Even Tony Abbott hasn’t the confidence, so come on Julia, govern the Labor way and bugger the Greens and Independence. Things will only get worse for Julia, brave up and do it, not just for yourself but for all of us.

      Sorry, I have reached the frustration stage and don’t really care which major party gets to govern as long as all the power is taken away from the Independents and the Greens.

      Gillard is not the Gillard she was for the last 30 years - a socialist, if she was allowed to be herself, at least we would be getting some conviction on what she believes in, instead she is trying to please everyone to remain in power.

      Australians must begin realizing that this minority govt is not going to produce anything that we can later say Oh yeah that was great for the nation or needed by sections of the community!

    • Terry says:

      05:36pm | 08/05/11

      I bet we will get the cream of the crop from Malaysia! This is going to create more of a mess unless we have the opportunity to decide who we take in.

    • John A Neve says:

      08:15pm | 08/05/11

      Peter,
      I suggest you direct your question at AtM, he seems to have all the answers.
      He also seems to think the UN is a “foreign country”!
      But there you go, if only AtM was in power, we could all sleep well at night.

    • Against the Man says:

      07:58am | 09/05/11

      At least we don’t have John A Neve the Coward running the country and that is something to be thankful for smile

    • Mouse says:

      03:19pm | 08/05/11

      But the carbon tax must be included in this Budget because they will need to know the revenue raised and its spending for their forward estimates.  The impact of this tax will be huge across the board.  Without it the Budget cannot be relied upon.

    • Gerard says:

      07:37pm | 08/05/11

      Forget the carbon tax. The real question is why anyone in their right mind would rely on a budget prepared by Wayne Swan in the first place.

    • John A Neve says:

      08:18pm | 08/05/11

      Mouse,

      Just why does the carbon tax have to included in the budget?
      It hasn’t been and might not be approved.

    • Mouse says:

      12:02am | 09/05/11

      John, it has to be included because gillard is saying it IS happening.  She has a mandate, remember, so the projected revenue has to be included otherwise their forward estimates cannot be true.
      To be prefectly honest John, given their record so far, I can’t see how this government can be trusted with anything, especially this country’s financial welfare! Swan has to be the worst Treasurer this country has ever seen. They leak budget details and then when they get negative feedback, they say they were not going to do it! Pretty damn pathetic for a government.  They talk about cutting government spending then spruik all these new cash incentives and bonuses for select groups. The trouble is you can’t believe half of what they say and have to ignore the other half.

    • n_dude says:

      04:43pm | 09/05/11

      @mouse: perhaps Gillard is planning to a backflip on the carbon tax after the backlash and hasn’t included it in the budget. Or maybe the revenues form the tax would not be realised in the next fiscal year.

    • Mouse says:

      08:42pm | 09/05/11

      n_dude, you could be right, she may very well backflip. It would also show that Labor don’t look that far ahead when it comes to future fiscal management. Oh well, we may all be surprised tomorrow night.  Stranger thengs have happened!  :o)

    • Puff says:

      03:27pm | 08/05/11

      Yes Kells~ bring back Pete I say~ a bit of nostalgia doesnt go amiss on Mothers Day~ I mean that damn dragon ( of inflation ) must have been one of those thingies with more than one head~ perhaps he didn’t have the rose coloureds on that day~Still you’ve made up for it today havent you!

    • nossy says:

      04:03pm | 08/05/11

      Ohh thats good kelly - thats rich ! Say what happened to that Costello fellow who vacated the seat you now hold - wasnt he promised the PMship by Howard - ohh yeah he was !  hahahahha Anyway whats a promise between friends Kell ? Tuesdays Budget will be a HORROR budget Kell - why because it will bring to a shuddering finale all Johhny GST’s middle class welfare. To use MarK’s term “HMAS Welfare” will be scuttled ! Floggings and thrashings will be handed out to all the out of work “Lion Tamers’ currently resting on Newstart and they will be given a one way ticket to something new called “WORK”.  Struggling Families will be given help to get their kids through school and training. Plus lots of other yet to be revealed “good for Australia” goodies. Pain plus gain Kell is what appears to be on the adgenda for Tuesday night. Anyway back to reading your hilarious article - honestly Kell you shouldnt make nossy laugh so much on a full tummy   !  hahahah

    • jf says:

      06:33pm | 08/05/11

      “bring to a shuddering finale all Johhny GST’s middle class welfare. Floggings and thrashings will be handed out to all the out of work “Lion Tamers’ currently resting on Newstart and they will be given a one way ticket to something new called “WORK”.  Struggling Families will be given help to get their kids through school and training.”

      If only it were true Nossy. Sadly, it seems apparent that when it comes to middle class welfare, the focus groups have spoken and the ALP has listened.

      It is pathetic the extent to which Swanny has adjusted the budget in response to focus group feedback on “leaks”.

      It is almost as though he thinks that the electorate is stupid and either doesn’t realise it or doesn’t notice the backflips.

    • Shane from Melbourne says:

      08:18pm | 08/05/11

      ICB on this post. No Australian government would dare get rid of middle class welfare crack cocaine. The howls of anguish from the addicted Australian punters would reach from here to the moon….

    • bikinis on top says:

      05:33pm | 08/05/11

      Labor’s Federal Budgets never please Labor voters , Labor Supporters nor Labor Party members.
      Labor federal Budgets are aimed at pleasing the mass media, the Coalition , the Coalition Voters,Coalition Supporters,  the big end of town, and multinationals
      Labor’s Federal Budget will be the most perfect budget ever framed in Australian political history with excellence in fiscal management, financial management, economic management, and handout management.

    • Rosie says:

      05:41pm | 08/05/11

      Nosthow

      I only wish I could gain some confidence in what you say. Honestly at the moment it would be wishful thinking on my part or anyone else for that matter.

      Only if your Goddess of Smart Talk will ditch the Greens and Independents will she be able to govern in her own right. She must do it Nosthow! For the betterment of this nation the power must be taken away from the Greens and Independents.

      Did you give your Mum some chrysanthemums?

    • nossy says:

      07:36pm | 08/05/11

      @Rosie - the good news Rosie is that Gillard will govern in her own right - after the glorious victory in 2013 - i will stage a party up here on the Gold Coast of immense proportions ! Imagine if you will the horror path poor Tones would travel if he were in govt. after July 1 with the Greens controlling the Senate - oh my god it begs not to think about doesnt it Rosie ? No no flowers for my dear mum - she passed away some years ago but is dearly remembered as are all our Mums.  Hope you are looking forward to Tuesday nights Budget Rosie ?

    • Northern Steve says:

      09:51pm | 08/05/11

      Is this the same Nossy who was talking up a Gillard landslide and the destruction of Abbott a year ago?
      Credibility my friend - you have none.

      Make sure you invite Bligh to your party as well.

    • The Galah from Hervey Bay says:

      06:55pm | 08/05/11

      Rosie :  If he did give his Mum some flowers , i’d be willing to bet he borrowed the money from her to buy them.
      Now that welfare bashing is his game , he likes to play the part and refuses to take the dole anymore.

    • DaveinPerth says:

      07:01pm | 08/05/11

      Always love listening to Lib party hacks (like Kelly) telling us what disaster the stimulus packages were. Always keen to hear their view on which country did a better job of riding out the GFC. Trouble is, no-one actually mentions which country did a better job of warding off the effects of the GFC.

      I would love to hear of JUST ONE country that had more effective and efficient stimulus programs. Kelly, just give us ONE to back up your claims. If you can’t name a SINGLE country that got better bang for their buck, then what exactly are you dribbling about?

    • Gerard says:

      09:53pm | 08/05/11

      A country with a more effective stimulus package? The USA.

      Unlike Australia, the US actually allowed some (although not all) of the necessary market corrections to occur. Rather than pouring billions into the economy purely to prop up unsustainable levels of borrowing, the government allowed companies to fail and share values to crash to a level that reflected what they were actually worth.

      What the Australian government did was to allow debtors a few more years before their unserviceable debts catch up with them. Meanwhile, they artificially increased property prices with the first home buyers bonus and encouraged more reckless lending by guaranteeing the banks.

      The overall effect of Kev and Wayne’s mismanagement was to delay and amplify the inevitable result of borrowing too much money. It hasn’t hit us yet. But it will.

    • Northern Steve says:

      09:59pm | 08/05/11

      Spending cash is easy.  Apparently so is overspending.  Inflation is moving above the RBA’s target max of 3%, which means rates will rise.
      Add to that mix full employment, a skills shortage and another $30-50billion project like the NBN, and the result is likely to be high wages demand (for some), high inflation and high rates.  In these sorts of situations, it is always the poor who suffer most, pensioners and those on fixed incomes in low-skilled jobs.  They have limited ability to demand wages that keep abreast with inflation, and limiting rises to the minimum wage is the most effective way to curb wages growth and inflation across the economy.

      As far as efficient, you’ll find evidence of waste everywhere, unless you’ve got your head stuck in the sand.

    • Shane from Melbourne says:

      10:13pm | 08/05/11

      China.

    • DaveinPerth says:

      11:35pm | 08/05/11

      @Gerard - USA you say? Hmmmm…. Let me see.
      USA = 35% increase in debt/GDP
      Aus = 7% increase in debt/GDP
      USA= 9% unemployment (+9% underemployment) (18% pain)
      Aus= 5% unemployment

      Gerard = FAIL

    • St. Michael says:

      11:45pm | 08/05/11

      @ Gerard: “Unlike Australia, the US actually allowed some (although not all) of the necessary market corrections to occur. Rather than pouring billions into the economy purely to prop up unsustainable levels of borrowing, the government allowed companies to fail and share values to crash to a level that reflected what they were actually worth.”

      Um, that would be almost the reverse of what happened.  Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae should have been shot between the eyes.  They weren’t.  TARP added roughly 1 trillion dollars to the US’s national debt, which currently stands at roughly $14 trillion.  The US’s entire Federal tax system only brings in about $2 trillion per year.
      Notice what’s missing in that basic arithmetic?
      The bond market certainly does.  That’s why PIMCO has dumped all of its US bonds and is shorting them ahead of QE2.  It’s why QE1 happened earlier this year - because no sane bond investors were buying any from the US.  Therefore US treasury spent roughly 1 trillion—which doesn’t exist, they “printed money” to get there—buying those bonds back.  That’s why the Australian dollar is presently above the US dollar—because the US has partially crashed the value of its own dollar.

      The US hasn’t allowed any of the required market corrections to occur.  That would be because the only “correction” that is required is either a cut of roughly 50% to the US Federal spending program—everything, Obamacare, Medicare, welfare, defence, the lot—or the printing of about $6 trillion US dollars to cover their maturing debts and the consequent hyperinflation that is a likely consequence of being that stupid.

    • DaveinPerth says:

      11:46pm | 08/05/11

      @Northern Steve - Rates have not risen to peak Howard level, so Northern Steve= FAIL

      (Most punchers seem to equate Howard to God, so it’s a good reference)

      But I appreciate you agreeing with me that no country in the world has done stimulus better.

    • DaveinPerth says:

      12:05am | 09/05/11

      @Shane from Melbourne
      China stimulus = 17% GDP
      China unemployment = 8% (plus substantial underemployment)
      (Plus of course substantial OH&S issues, environmental issues, human rights issues, etc, etc. But that’s a different discussion.)

      Shane from Melbourne= FAIL.

    • Northern Steve says:

      08:04am | 09/05/11

      @DaveinPert,
      I see what you did there - ignore the actual thrust of the argument, pick on an irrelevant point and mustard what I actually said. You going for preselection for Labor?
      Do I need to restate in simple term?  Labor spent too much, inflation is up, rates are going up, and they’re spending a ship-load more money to boot, which will push up rates and inflation more. This was not a successful stimulus package.

    • DaveinPerth says:

      10:17am | 09/05/11

      @Northern Steve. Restate all you like. It seems to be what Punchers do best. Keep restating the same big lie, with no reference to facts. The fact remains that no country in the world did a better job of their stimulus packages.

      And I resemble your suggestion that I mustard what you actually said.

    • Northern Steve says:

      02:59pm | 09/05/11

      Dave, inflation is up, rates are heading up, spending is on the up. Where’s the lie?  Sorry for putting facts in your story.

    • DaveinPerth says:

      05:15pm | 09/05/11

      Northern Steve says: blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,  I agree with you DaveinPerth, that there’s no Country in the world that has done a better job of their stimulus packages.

    • Northern Steve says:

      07:19pm | 09/05/11

      So, Dave, does this job pay you a good hourly rate, or are you paid per post?

    • Gerard says:

      07:28pm | 09/05/11

      Dave, what you’ve quoted is historical data. Try actually reading my post: the consequences of Australia’s obsession with unserviceable debt were delayed, not prevented. Those figures you’re waving around like a $900 re-election bribe won’t look too good once they do hit us and the government has no cash left for a moderate buffering of the effects. Kevin07 and Swan took the worst course of action they could have under the circumstances, all in the name of self-promotion.

    • DaveinPerth says:

      11:03pm | 09/05/11

      @Northern Steve - I wish I were paid for my time posting. I suspect I put more time, effort and research into these posts than Kelly put into the initial drivel at the top of the page. (Especially given the fact that I’m typing this with 1 finger on my iPad.)

      There are two posters on this page that have clearly identified themselves as dry conservatives. Richard and Gerard. They believe that the govt should NOT intervene to rescue the economy when downturns occur.

      They think that we should let the bubble burst. Let the peasants eat cake. Unemployment, social dislocation, asset price deflation ( that’s where your house is worth less than your mortgage).

      That’s all well and good. It’s a debatable point and I respect it from a purely economics point of view.  What I disagree with is the social impact that comes with this ‘medicine’. Bankruptcy. Broken marriages. Broken hearts. Some people never recover from these ‘adjustments’.

      This is the reason that most governments consider these circumstances (recession/ negative GDP growth/ whatever you want to call it) as a failure.

      The Rudd/Gillard govt has JUST done enough to avert a recession. In that measure, they have been successful. Yes, there have been some bankruptcies, yes, there has been some asset deflation, but generally things have limped along through the GFC.

      The Feds DO face the situation, now, that they need to throttle back the taps a bit, so as not to overstimulate the economy. But this is only now, and there are still patchy sections of the economy. Retailers are still bleeding. Builders in WA are still sucking for air.

      This is by no means over for many.

    • Gerard says:

      03:16pm | 10/05/11

      Wrong, wrong, wrong. Read my previous post Dave, where I pointed out that governments should intervene in downturns- to act as a buffer, not to allow everyone to continue spending other people’s money hand over fist. The problem wasn’t that the government intervened, it was the nature and the scale of the intervention that was wrong. The economy was overheated and needed to slow down. What the government did was artificially sustain the conditions that caused the problem in the first place. No one was held to account for their bad financial decisions, so they were free to repeat their mistakes all over again. It is these greed-driven decisions that cause of the “unemployment, social dislocation, asset price deflation” you bemoan, not a hands-off government ideology.

      I also never claimed that governments should ‘let’ the bubble burst- this would quite clearly be a ridiculous position, since it is beyond government control. They can’t stop a bubble bursting. They do, however, have some control over WHEN it happens. By bailing out the people who caused the problem in the first place, the government ensured that the bubble would get bigger, so that when it does burst later on, the consequences will be far worse for the average Australian.

    • DaveinPerth says:

      11:26pm | 10/05/11

      @Gerard - We may have have different goals. My goal (and the Rudd/Gillard govts goal) is to keep the CPI within the reserve banks target band. Your goal appears to be something to the right of this.

      Your initial contention was that the US did a better job of stimulus. As near as I can tell, it’s because their bankruptcy filings tripled, and the ‘bad actors’ in the economy were ‘punished’, for greed, etc.

      The US is on the way to adding 35% to their debt/GDP ratio.
      Result?
      http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/national/gdp/gdp_glance.htm

      The Rudd/Gillard govt on the other hand, will increase debt/GDP ratio by 7%.  Result ?
      http://www.rba.gov.au/inflation/inflation-target.html

      No comparison.

      (note. I have compared CPI to GDP here. I welcome yourself or another puncher doing the required research to find a graph of US CPI. In fact, I’d welcome any other puncher doing ANY research to support their assertions. Never before seen such an under informed bunch of ppl.)

      Other Peoples Money.
      By a quick search of the ATO, a rough idea of the, GST, company tax, family tax benefit and negative gearing, I’m guessing that I pay about 15 times more PAYG tax that the average Aussie. So this OPM that you talk about is MY MONEY.

      If Howard had been at the reigns during the GFC, the stimulus would have been CASH, CASH and more CASH. (Abbott probably would have given it the church to distribute.) At least Rudd tried to get SOMETHING for the dollars invested ! The school projects are probably 10 to 30% overpriced in the end. So WHAT! If it was Howard, we’d all have $10,000 worth of new TV’s sitting in our houses. Fat lot of good that would have done!

      Rudd kept the economy from reversing. He got something for our dollars. I think he did a good enough job. If you’d prefer to see more people unemployed, that’s your call, but many people in Australia like to see full employment.

    • michael j says:

      07:02pm | 08/05/11

      EVERY-one knows im not real smart,but does the ALP Government have the numbers in the Senate to get the Budget passed is-not it still in the hands of
      the LNP ,,?

    • Marilyn Shepherd says:

      07:04pm | 08/05/11

      Oh dear, if Kelly wasn’t so ignorant she would be a joke.  the only reason that she can truthfully claim that the lieberals gave us a surplus is that they sold off the family jewels, china and half the country to do it and then built nothing out of the proceeds.

      They did pay $314 billion in rich welfare though.

      http://www.trishcrossin.com.au/

      Most Asylum Seekers are Genuine.

      They are fleeing war, violence and terror.

      WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE BOATS, THINK AGAIN.

      The key facts about seeking asylum:

      It is legal to seek asylum by boat,
      Nearly all asylum seekers who arrive by boat are genuine refugees,
      Asylum seekers arriving by boat make up less than 2 per cent of Australia’s annual immigration intake.
      Trish Crossin
      Senator, Northern Territory

    • Northern Steve says:

      10:06pm | 08/05/11

      There has only been ONE major assett sale by a federal government that did not go towards savings or paying off debt.  Keating sold off QANTAS and put the money straight into consolidated revenue, to use against recurrent spending.  Why did he do this?  To create a very unexpected surplus of a whole $17million dollars.

      Howard either paid off debt, or put the money into the Future Fund or the Education Fund, which Rudd & Gillard have since raided and almost wiped out.  If we have nothing left from the sales, it’s their fault, not Howard’s.

      Maybe you can extend your research skills to more unbiased sources than Labor Senators.

    • The Original Oz says:

      10:57pm | 09/05/11

      The UN Convention requires that asylum seekers request asylum in the first country that enter that is away from the war/persecution that they are fleeing. If this is not done then they are “country shoppers”. a question that was posed earlier relates to refugees in Malaysia. These refugees are, in the majority, of the muslim faith. Malaysia is a predominately muslim country that is currently not experiencing either war or civil unrest. The question therefore needs to be asked - why are these asylum seekers that are in the camps in Malaysia not acceptable as potential residents to Malaysia ?

    • Richard says:

      08:57pm | 08/05/11

      Excellent article. The big question I have for the Treasurer is: If you aren’t going to deliver a surplus at the very height of the largest commodity boom on record, when the bloody hell are you going to run one?

      And don’t roll out that trollop that we needed to go into deficit because of the GFC: the so-called GFC was only ever really a North American and European phenomenon. Trust those snobs to think the whole world revolves around them. But it doesn’t~ throughout that whole period of the “GFC” (*snort), China kept booming, India kept booming, Indonesia kept booming, Australia kept booming.

      We know anyway that stimulus doesn’t work, because if it did work, America would be fine by now, instead of the zombie-like economy with unemployment continuing to rise that’s its become. And that’s the problem with these left-wing acolytes: they love the going into debt and spending a whole bunch of money part, but even Keynes’ theories stated that this was only an emergency measure during periods of depression, and had to be balanced out by healthy surpluses in periods of boom.

      Well there can be absolutely no doubt that we are now experiencing a commodities boom in Australia, so where’s our fucking surplus, Swan? Don’t delay and make excuses and put it off for yet another year. Just balance the fucking budget and let the chips fall where they may.

    • DaveinPerth says:

      10:03pm | 08/05/11

      @Richard - More meaningless assertions. If the stimulus packages were NOT required, we would have had a massive wage breakout,especially in the construction sector. Hasn’t happened. Brickies rates have dropped 15% in three years in Perth. Most other trades have reduced slightly.

      If the stimulus packages were NOT required, we would have 18% interest rates. Hasn’t happened.

      If the stimulus packages were NOT required, the CPI would have gone past 10%. Hasn’t happened.

      This isn’t my opinion. This isn’t a baseless assertion that ppl like Kelly, Rosie and Yourself like to bandy about. This is FACT.

      If you think that the federal govt can throw an extra $50 Billion at the economy without having a massive impact, you are either stupid, or a paid lair. (or a liberal party hack, who has received instructions from Andrew Robb to write an article.) (How demeaning must it be for Kelly to have to author an article that she knows is so obviously wrong?)

      Now that I have PROVEN that the stimulus packages were required, would someone PLEASE tell me which country has done a better job of it?

      As much as I cringe when listening to Gillard, and as much as I think Rudd is a nerdy little pratt, they have handled the GFC better than anyone in the world.

      Did they have more advantages than most leaders? YES.
      Did they have a better balance sheet than most leaders? YES.
      But to claim that their actions have been unnecessary flies in the face of reality. Lying or stupid? Which is it?

    • michael j says:

      10:18pm | 08/05/11

      @Richard-I don’t think that starving Australians is the final solution here ?
      The GFC is Global and is only just starting to affect Australia,,
      IT will be in full swing in prob 2 years,, The USA owes China Trillions of $
      they are very nervous because America is printing Trillions of $ turning Chinas holdings into Junk-Bonds,while that shouldn’t affect trade with China here ,because they already own most of what they take anyway
      Australia and its States are selling the Future Generations down the drain so a few people can benefit ,,who they are ? its not me,
      THERE was a thing on TV bout 4 weeks ago showing a City that China
      built it looked like say half the Gold Coast but theres no people that can afford to live there the China Experiment is failing, FUNNY THING is there’s not 1 city BUT 10 CITIES China is in the middle of one of its worst famines for a long, probably lots of people starving don’t know ?
      They still do hide these things quite well despite google,,
      Australia’s relationship with America is stronger than ever with our agreement to support them with their use of Cluster Bombs when needed dispute being strong opponents of those weapons for a very long time,,,,I think things are f@$ked up pretty bad,,and it ain’t going to get better,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    • DaveinPerth says:

      11:50pm | 08/05/11

      @Richard - Is profanity really required to make your point ?

    • michael j says:

      12:13am | 09/05/11

      @DAVE-THE GFC effect has not happened ere yet because no-one in Australia was doing business like the yanks or the Europeans who bought their stupid get rich schemes,fournalty Aussies showed restraint when giving bank loans,it used to be % of gross income before you could even think of getting a house loan,,the yanks started doing the opposite,,,, declining wages with rising services and fuel cost is good ?
      don’t know how that works? more people living below the poverty line?
      Stimulus did nothing,,GFC is not here yet,,You say the Government has not got $ 50 billion,  the yanks are printing $1.6 trillion,,why can’t we,??,,,

    • Richard says:

      11:00am | 09/05/11

      DaveinPerth, you are seriously deluded. You haven’t proved anything lol, you’ve just embarassed yourself by making patently ridiculous statements and then claiming (ludicrously) that they are “FACTS”.

      HAHAHA

      If you had the slightest little sliver of economic knowledge, you would know that stimulus spending by governments has inflationary, NOT deflationary effects on economies. How could you possibly substantiate the claim that without the stimulus we would have had a massive wage breakout, 18% interest rates and 10% C.P.I? Do you know what a recession is?

      Don’t be a fool David. Yes you are dumb, we can all see that, but there is no need to advertise it so publicly on the punch like this…

    • DaveinPerth says:

      01:02pm | 09/05/11

      @Richard - Your reading comprehension seems problematic. Perhaps you could try reading aloud and taking notes? Or up the Ritilin dose?

      Stimulus spending is inflationary. Correct. At least you’ve got SOMETHING right. (Million monkeys on a million typewriters…etc)

      With all this massive inflationary spending, why don’t we have massive inflation? Why haven’t we had a wages breakout? Why haven’t interest rates gone through the roof?

      We haven’t had those things, because the stimulus spending WAS obviously required. FACT.
      Not sure how much simpler I can make it?

      (Also. Congratulations on not swearing in your post. Good work.)

    • Richard says:

      02:38pm | 09/05/11

      I see now, sorry about mis-comprehending your point DaveinPerth.

      But I’ll still disagree with you, purely from an ideological perspective, because I don’t think that deflation and recession are necessarily great evils to be avoided. From my perspective, the recession isn’t the disease, the recession is the cure for the disease. Sure it doesn’t taste nice, sure it might hurt, but in the long run its for the best.

      Its like a drug addict, when he’s high he feels great, but then when he has the comedown, he feels shit. But the problems isn’t the comedown, the problem it was the artificial high in the first place. So to deal with the comedown, should the drug addict just delay consequences and take more drugs to get high again? NO, he has to detox! he has to get clean! Sure, its no fun, but its the right thing to do.

      Likewise, I think copping a short, sharp recession in Australia would have been the right thing for the government to do. Remember, it was in the first year of their first term in office when the financial crisis broke, so they still had tremendous public goodwill up their sleeve at that point in time. If they had had the courage of Paul Keating, to say “yes, this recession sucks, but we need to have it to rebalance our economy”, then I think by now they (and our economy) would be in a lot stronger position by now, three years later.

    • Northern Steve says:

      05:35pm | 09/05/11

      Dave,
      The simple fact is you won’t get 18% interest rates any more because the structure and regulation of the economy is different to what it was in the mid 80s when it did rise to 18%.  And if you are going to wait for a CPI of 10% before you start claiming the economy is overheated, then you’ll already be well and truly in trouble.  Annualised inflation has now risen over 3%, which is the max rate the RBA aims for.  At that point, they describe the economy as inflationary and will start raising rates to counter that.  For the government to be in a deficit budget and spending big bickies at this stage of the cycle is just nuts.

    • DaveinPerth says:

      05:46pm | 09/05/11

      @ Richard.  So we agree on the RESULTS of the Govt action.
      ie. No action = recession & asset price deflation.
      ie Action = Maintaining GDP at the expense of debt.

      Further, I fully respect your philosophical position on the validity or otherwise of inflationary spending to prop up the economy.

      In another time, or another Country, or under different circumstances, I might agree with you. There are some Countries that face some VERY difficult decisions at the moment.

      But for Aus in 2008, the Govt actions were a no-brainer. Prop the place up just enough to keep us on the precipice of negative CPI, without opening up the asset-price-deflation can of worms.

      Did I LIKE the Govt stimulus packages ?

      No of course not. I hated some aspects of them. But no-one has been able to point to a better example in the world. (Don’t you think Joe Hockey has his minions Googling furiously for better examples? If he doesn’t, then he’s more dim-witted than I thought.)

    • Steve from Perth says:

      12:13pm | 09/05/11

      Dave in Perth. A wages breakout is accepted to mean increasing wages.Generally as the economy does better wages go up and as it does poorer wages do worse. If the stimulas package had any result at all on wages it would have been upward. thus it would have made any wages breakout worse rather than better.

      I am also afraid that the CPI is also higher as a result of stimulas. The government distributing money through the economy causes prices to rise.

      I am afraid this is economics 101. This stuff is taught in the first term of economics to high school kids. It is alarming to me that electors can be completely wrong on things like this. Where have you got your information from? I really want to know if your ideas are widespread. I hope it wasn’t from a Wayne Swann press release.

      You are also 180 degrees wrong on interest rates. It is difficult for the cut and paste economic journalists to quantify how much but mortgage rates are actually higher now because of the stimulas package.

    • DaveinPerth says:

      03:20pm | 10/05/11

      @ Steve from Perth - I refuse to accept that you are that slow. Instead, I’m just going to imagine that you Speed-Read everything I have written.

    • Lucas says:

      03:54pm | 09/05/11

      Yes bring back Peter, so we don’t have to raed this dross or listen to the O’Dwyyer drone!

 

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