It’s hard to know what the live animal export industry is more concerned about.

If you think this is disturbing, please watch the full investigation on Four Corners. Pic: Animals Australia/AFP

The fact that Australian animals are being tortured in Indonesia, or the fact that Australians now know that Australian animals are being tortured in Indonesia.

I have long been opposed to the live animal export industry.

I have never understood how an industry could morally justify the practice of sending animals to a foreign country where they will be subject to abuse and cruelty that would be illegal in Australia.

Let’s be clear about this. 

If anyone in Australia did any of the thing we saw on Four Corners last night they would be charged and quite possibly jailed.

That’s why, with Andrew Wilkie, I have backed calls by the RSPCA and Animals Australia for an immediate ban on the live export of animals to Indonesia, and the ban within three years of all live animal exports from Australia.

The industry has asked for more time to reform the way they do things. 

They have been asking for more time for the last two decades, during which time unimaginable cruelty has been done to an inestimable number of animals.

It’s also hard to trust an industry that thought the installation of taxpayer funded restraining boxes was a humane change to make to these slaughterhouses.

Even pretending the industry can reform itself ignores the fact that once the animals enter Indonesia they are no longer owned by us. 

They become the property of Indonesian Customs. 

Legally there is nothing we can do to enforce the humane treatment of these Australian animals. 

In fact, it seems ridiculous the live export industry and successive Federal Governments have ever believed we can ensure the welfare of our animals in a country that has no laws concerning animal welfare.

In fact we can’t even track these animals once they are in Indonesia. 

Some of the cattle featured on Four Corners last night were not meant to be in the abattoirs where they were killed.

Surely this indicates the possibility of industry reform is negligible.

Sadly, it is also difficult to trust the industry’s response to this latest crisis. 

Last week they assured us via press release that no Australian animals would be sent to the three slaughterhouses featured in the ABC TV report. 

However, the ABC has confirmed that Australian animals were still being tortured and killed in these slaughterhouses last night, as their program was going to air.

The industry has also countered today with the claim that a ban will cost jobs. 

This is a specious argument. 

Every animal killed overseas is an animal that is not being killed and processed in Australia.

The industry also claims that if we don’t sell Indonesia live animals they will source them from elsewhere.

Putting the moral bankruptcy of this argument to one side, it’s also not accurate. 

The fact is when similar bans were imposed in Egypt in 2006 demand simply moved to packaged Australian meat, and capacity limitations globally indicate this will also occur when a ban is imposed on Indonesia, and later when a full ban is brought in within three years.

We need to increase the processing capacity here in Australia and the Government needs to get behind transport subsidies to get these animals to Australian abattoirs.

The least persuasive argument I have heard today came from National Party Leader Warren Truss who argued that we don’t shut down a highway just because someone dies in a car crash driving on it.

No, Warren, we don’t.

But I think if everyone on a highway was sent speeding straight into a brick wall only to die a predictable, slow and painful death, we might just look at shutting down that particular highway.

The Australian taxpayer has a clear choice.

Do we spend our money on creating Aussie jobs, or funding overseas cruelty?

I don’t think the industry was shocked by what was shown last night.

And I don’t think they should be shocked by the reaction.

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    • Gaz says:

      06:28am | 01/06/11

      The cruelty shown is disgusting. As someone involved in the industry (agriculture not live exports) I have always been lead to believe that they wouldn’t buy packaged meat even if it was killed in accordance with the halal thing, the animals had to be killed there. Is this right? Apparently 500,000 cattle leave Northern Australia for live export. A ban is certainly going leave a massive gaping hole somewhere

    • RyaN says:

      10:02am | 01/06/11

      @Gaz: it should be, take it or leave it, otherwise starve!

    • TDMJ says:

      11:27am | 01/06/11

      Not true at all, Gaz. There are pockets of more extreme people who are far more strict in their interpretation of the Qaran, but last I knew, there were well over 100 separate abattoirs in Australian slaughtering meat for the halal market here and overseas?

      More importantly, when previous bans have been implemented - such as the ban on sheep exports to Egypt in 2006 - the market in chilled and frozen meat grew proportionately to fill the gap.

      So live exports are actually cannibalising our meat exports in the same markets! - which is why the AMIEU (Australian meat workers union) is backing this action so strongly as well ...

    • Edward James says:

      11:54am | 01/06/11

      The export of live animals should have stopped when Australian representatives became aware of the cruelty involved in their slaughter halal or not! The fact that the practice has not yet been stopped and Labor and the live trade industry right now are just fiddling around the edges again. Is reason enough to look more closely at our politicians who are blocking the move. In fact both sides of government is dodgy on this outrage.  As Nick Xenophon has written above he has long been opposed to the export of live animals. This would mean he has been going to other politicians with his constituents concerns and evidence. Concerns no doubt raised by many people not just Animals Australia with other politicians Federal and State and the Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals All of whom are in place to act on our behalf. Now that another story has done the rounds with very instructive film and photos, there is some more political turmoil. Well it is not enough why wait three years. I suspect powerful interest hope to once again with with the usual political assistance and spin work around completely stoppling this.  Edward James

    • Kika says:

      12:22pm | 01/06/11

      Yes it’s a halal thing. Just like the live export of sheep to the mid east for Eid Al Adha.

    • baal says:

      01:42pm | 01/06/11

      do you know what is the method that is used to keep meat fresh in a developing nation without the reliable refrigeration we have? Keep the animal alive until it get to the market/consumer then kill it.
      What is happening is horrible and sickens me but I honestly care more about starvation from food shortages and food price increases from lower supply of stock.
      This is a complicated issue and I care more about people than cattle and I have seen no public concern for the people being supplied quality fresh food.
      Whatever happens please put our species fisrt.

    • acotrel says:

      09:45am | 02/06/11

      A minute ago there were 8 abbatoirs in NW Australia. Now cattle must travel 3000Km to be slaughtered within Australia.  The jobs went offshore to Indonesia where labour is cheaper, and there are fewer pesky OHS laws.  Was there ever any reason not expect that their workplaces wouldn’t meet accepted standards of common decency?  The live cattle exporters were really concerned? - BULLSHIT!

    • John C says:

      06:33am | 01/06/11

      Well done to those who exposed this dreadful practice and to those who spoke up against it politically: this trade must stop now.
      Now the same prominence must be given to, and the same people must speak against, the equally cruel domestic practices of pig and chicken battery farming. Same rules, people.

    • Barry says:

      08:43am | 01/06/11

      YES!  There must also be a ban on Aboriginals conducting traditional hunting methods.

    • Jade says:

      09:39am | 01/06/11

      @ Barry if it stops turtles being killed I agree with you there and John C I agree with you too! Chicken and pig farming is pretty horrendous, the RSPCA has done campaigns about these practices recently too to try and change the way it is done.

    • Care for all says:

      11:21am | 01/06/11

      Well said and let us widen this to all animals all over the world, however lets start here and make a difference and practice what we really should be “human - kind”.
      Some ridiculous believe structures allow sick creatures to commit acts that only can make one wonder - who is this creature that thinks its got all rights and everything else has none.
      The ideas of what it is to be human is in some cultures a little vague.

    • wailwatcher says:

      11:33am | 01/06/11

      @ Barry, I think Aboriginals, at least in the far north, have already voluntarily put their own moritorium on turtle and dugong hunting for food, just recently. Don’t recall, it might have been on either Landline or Living Black.

    • Inyunay says:

      04:22pm | 01/06/11

      @ Barry @ Jade, This issue has nothing to do with Traditional Aboriginal hunting, this issue is about systematic cruelty and torture against animals ( in this case Cattle), there is no evidence to suggest Aborigines perform such acts against animals.  If so prove it…...

    • Dazeddazza says:

      01:43pm | 02/06/11

      Indigenous people hunting in “traditional fashion”  using rifles and outboards?  Can we question this?

    • acotrel says:

      06:46am | 01/06/11

      So now we are all concerned about the moo cows being mistreated.  The free market is supposed to create a level playing field.  The truth is that the playing field is NOT LEVEL.  In Australia we have certain standards to maintain.  Farmers complain about OHS legislation, yet that sector has the worst record of death and injury in Australia.  OHS laws are the basis of ‘continual improvement’ of workplace processes.  When our jobs are sent offshore, they go because employers want to avoid doing the right thing, and exploit workers in countries where the OHS laws don’t apply.  The current issues with the inhumane treatment of beef cattle in indonesia, is just another example of the lack of common decency in foreign workplaces. And now we’re supposed to cry about their plight?  Perhaps we should look at the rest of the picture instead of being so selective?

    • RyaN says:

      04:40pm | 01/06/11

      @acotrel: I don’t get your rant, do you support this animal abuse?

    • Gregg says:

      06:49am | 01/06/11

      I agree with your sentiments Nick re no illtreatment of animals in the slaughtering process, not that the shipping is not bad enough for them but as to the practicality of it being done in Australia that is another matter.

      The labour costs involved in onshore slaughtering, packaging, refrigeration and shipping etc. are probably just probhibitive.
      As for
      ” The fact is when similar bans were imposed in Egypt in 2006 demand simply moved to packaged Australian meat, and capacity limitations globally indicate this will also occur when a ban is imposed on Indonesia, and later when a full ban is brought in within three years. “

      Can you actually put the facts up on what the trade in packaged meat is, directly compared to what the live trade is.

    • Kim says:

      07:12am | 01/06/11

      Excellent article Nick. Now, please, oh please, let’s not have a review of a review of a review etc,. which is we all know how things get delayed then forgotten, a way to create inaction.

    • Mitchell says:

      07:50am | 01/06/11

      I don’t often agree with Senator Xenophon, but he is right on the money here.
        The Indonesian meat processing system is flawed, if you can’t accept that sort of unprofessional cruelty in an Australian abattoir, then how can you condone sending cattle overseas to be killed like that?
      Move the meat processing to north west WA, the Indonesians have very few choices when it comes to live cattle imports, it will create more Australian jobs and it will cost them a lot more if they want to import from other countries.
      Considering the shipping time, meat processed in oz will be just as fresh as the stuff you can buy from woolies anyway.

    • acotrel says:

      08:23am | 01/06/11

      @Mitchell
      ‘Considering the shipping time, meat processed in oz will be just as fresh as the stuff you can buy from woolies anyway. ‘

      The meat sold in Woolies is usually too fresh!  It should be ‘hung’ anyway, that’s the reason it’s usually tough in the supers.

    • George says:

      08:02am | 01/06/11

      @ Senator Xenophon

      Live animal export industry vs. packaged Australian meat export !
      I’m sure you have considered the cost of processing, packaging and exporting Australian meat in proposing that solution.
      I’m sure you also considered protecting Australian livestock growers from potential ‘cartels’ that might emerge who will control the price of export quality Australian packaged meats (if one doesn’t already exists).

      As I am also sure that you would have also considered regulations to that potential industry to ensure that Australians will get the best quality meats for our consumption and not be left with 2nd quality produce because the best ones are earmarked for ‘export’ (if that doesn’t already happen).

      Finally have you sought the counsel of the PM’s Brown, Gillard and Garnaut regarding the potential carbon costs of a ‘beefed up” (pardon the pun) Australian meat export industry.

      Don’t get me wrong I feel for those poor animals on the program, but then again most Asian countries slaughter their animals that way, its just that Australia does not export to most Asian countries.

    • Pete says:

      08:44am | 01/06/11

      George, what most Asian countries gouge animals eyes out and break their legs and beat them? This is unacceptable…pure and simple

      I don’t understand why people would want to do that…

    • Jade says:

      09:47am | 01/06/11

      + 1 Pete. 

      George, exported meat in normally better than the meat we get here anyway… you notice how they advertise stuff as “export quality”.

    • Phil says:

      08:07am | 01/06/11

      “We need to increase the processing capacity here in Australia and the Government needs to get behind transport subsidies to get these animals to Australian abattoirs.”

      Sure just hand out more money we cant afford to spend as a country, on things that arent vital to the every day running of the country.

      Enough bloody hand outs already! what is it with this country? everyone wants a “subsidy” for something!

    • egg says:

      09:05am | 01/06/11

      phil, how about we do this to you instead? i mean hell, you’re not vital to the every day running of the country… if it’s acceptable treatment, just you go ahead and volunteer yourself to accompany the cattle, even just for the boat ride. i’m sure it would be a swell trip, and highlight how right you are.

    • Phil says:

      10:03am | 01/06/11

      @Egg, well certainly you are.
      Try reading, i was commenting on the fact the first thing people want to do is provide a subsidy for any industry they can. This seems to be an automatic reaction to everything, oh well lets just provide a subsidy and that will make it all better.

      This has nothing to do with the treatment of the animals, I find it quite disturbing that people could treat an animal with such disrespect in killing them the way they have been, yet im not surprised when dealing with third world countries.
      Pre-slaughtered meat is a much better option but if thats not what they want to buy then there is little we can do.
      These animals are bred to die, they are a food source, while bringing about the end of their life in the quickest and least painful \ distressing way possible is what most people want, once they have been paid for and are in another country we have little control over how they are treated. If we wish to refuse to sell them cattle that’s fine with me too.

      I dont believe tax payers should start subsidizing the transport costs of getting cattle to an processing facility, its another handout.
      They should work it out in the price they are sold for or find another job if they are that conflicted.

    • acotrel says:

      08:19am | 01/06/11

      We should offer the Indonesians meat which has been killed and packaged in Australia.  Otherwise they should be told to buy elsewhere!

    • Paul says:

      08:23am | 01/06/11

      As a small beef producer, I was appalled at the way cattle are treated in Indonesia. I am glad that the cattle I produce are for the domestic market where they are slaughtered humanely.
      I ask myself “what sort of IDIOT god would want animals killed in a particular way?” Then I realise that it is not a dictate from a God, but a tradition invented by humans. I think it’s time to see past the fictional writings of ancient prophets and modernise these backward religious practices.

    • Sony B Goode says:

      08:24am | 01/06/11

      acotrel doesn’t miss a beat to display his loathing of free markets. As though the orthodoxy is that free market are identical and perfect, whilst his beloved party of choice leads by example with its brazen display of Fascism, clearly his philosophy of choice, by the introduction of a hated tax through total deceit of the electorate.

      If you are so concerned about animal welfare then all halal killings should be banned. Look at what the rscpa says about halal killing in Australia.

      http://kb.rspca.org.au/What-is-halal-slaughter-in-Australia_116.html

    • acotrel says:

      09:19am | 01/06/11

      @Sony We are living in the era of the great convergence.  Policies regarding the free market are no different in any of the major parties.  However we must recognise that there are failures in it - the GFC for example.  What use is the free market if the government must continually tamper and correct it?  It then becomes a reversion to the command economy? The ideology is stuffed , the blind acceptance of it will kill off everything that is good in Australian industry. While our political parties are bickering, we are losing sight of the big picture.

    • David of the Grand Academy of Adelagado. says:

      10:32am | 01/06/11

      Also from that RSPCA website…
      “cattle have an extra blood supply to the brain through the back of the neck.  Therefore, cutting cattle’s throats results in less rapid loss of consciousness.”

      Its time kosher torture was banned too.

    • Stephy says:

      11:17am | 01/06/11

      There is no reason - from what I’ve been able to squirm out from the Jews at my hubbys work - that Kosher meat is not stunned. They just dont’ see it as a necessary procedure. Apparently the animal should die swiftly from a quick clean stroke to the neck. Well, anyone who saw the four corners documentary knows that a swift clean stroke to the neck doesn’t kill them instantly. And a bolt to the head first is more humane.
      I swear, I will never knowingly eat kosher meat. That’s gonna suck big time when I go to work dinners, but I’ll just eat vegetarian.

      All the more reason to raise my own beef! The idea is looking better as the days pass.

    • bleD says:

      08:26am | 01/06/11

      Good on you, Nick. The irony of this kerfuffle was that it took an Investigator from Animals Australia to bring this cruelty to light. Why did the government not send in monitors to those abattoirs long ago?
      Yes, I support the end of the live animal export trade. While we’re at it we need to monitor the practices of abattoirs in this country, especially the halal ones which let the animals bleed to death as their throats are being slit.

    • michael j says:

      08:27am | 01/06/11

      @Nick-best of luck rebuilding the meatworks that have closed with an arugement that is 25 years old,fair enough the export of Australian jobs was more of a concern at the time ,but the issue of animal welfare was also high on the list ,.for Taxpayers to pay for Cattle Kings to get their product to processing plants seems more like a bandaid on a severed leg then common sense,if they carn’t get by on their tax deductions they should fold,,Building better processing plants and proper training for workers in the countries where these animals end up is probably the better option,,
      A killing floor would not have as high teck as in Australia,,the issue seems to be the humane treatment of the animal up till death not the processing of the carcass afterward,,be a lot cheaper than giving taxpayer money to companies who scream poor no matter what they have,,,,

    • maryellen says:

      06:55pm | 01/06/11

      @michael j,  I’m really sorry, misunderstood your position on the slaughter of the animals.  The terrible pictures have really disturbed me.  Won’t read any more about it.

    • michael j says:

      10:51pm | 01/06/11

      @-Thanks mate,,,

    • John says:

      08:30am | 01/06/11

      I completely agree with you Nick.
      Now how about Wilkie and yourself spending some energy on the other immoral and inhumane issue, that of how refugees are treated by the current Australian government? Some 7000 people, not cattle, locked up for months on end, including 1000 children!
      If only the Canberra politicians could kick up the same fuss for human beings coiming in to this country as for cattle going out of this country!

    • Gav says:

      09:33am | 01/06/11

      They are treated better here than in the countries they “seek Refuge” from (passing through plenty of other perfectly safe countries along the way and paying substantial $$ for the privilege) - am sure there will be another shrill, hysterical, non logical discussion on that issue another time - so can we stick to the subject matter please?

    • Jade says:

      09:42am | 01/06/11

      I am quiet happy to give Malaysia and Indonesia the boaties if they give us the cattle… It think thats a fair trade. smile

    • Tony of Poorakistan says:

      09:51am | 01/06/11

      Well John

      perhaps if they stopped off at any of the Muslim countries they passed through, they might be better off.

      How about you suggest it to them.

    • Mara says:

      10:44am | 01/06/11

      Animals have as much right to not be tortured as humans do. they are living, feeling creatures after all. Who can feel fear and pain.

      I don’t mean to sound uncaring but those detention centres for refugees are probably in a lot better condition than housing where they came from. The government has to thoroughly check their identities to ensure they aren’t letting terrorists, murderers and rapists into the country. And a lot of them are in detention because they came here ILLEGALLY!!!! As in without permission from our government

      I have an Irish friend who along with her fiancée have been living here, working here and paying taxes here for three years. they finally got their residency a month ago and next year will get citizenship. Do you have any idea how much time, money and stress went into this for them? How many times they were stuffed around by our government? yet the refugees get let in and handed government pay outs and do nothing to contribute to society. I’m sure that statement doesn’t apply to all of them but it does to a vast majority

    • John says:

      12:08pm | 01/06/11

      @Jade & Tony
      Why do we have to assume that the refugees are Muslim?
      What is the difference between decent Christians and decent Muslims, or as a matter of fact extreme Christians and extreme Muslims?
      Tony of Poorakistan do you and your religion value cattle more than Muslims?
      Bottom line is the media and the politicians care more about cattle than human beings.

    • Jade says:

      12:20pm | 01/06/11

      John, I never mentioned the word Muslim did I?

    • Dieter Moeckel says:

      01:04pm | 01/06/11

      Point taken John. But both need attention.
      There is no humane or even more humane way to kill an animal but there is a humane way to treat asylum seekers.
      The old chestnut that asylum seekers are better off in Australian detention centres than back in there own countries is another Australian arrogance. It is much the same as saying the cattle are better off killed in Australian than Indonesia both are oxymorons and examples of typical Australian arrogance which gives us the “well if you don’t like it go back to where you came from!” statements.
      You seem to care more about the animals slaughtered in Indonesia that the inhumane treatment of raggedy boat people in Australian detention on a flimsy relativity argument ... come again You can’t mean it ...

    • Ricky says:

      02:14pm | 01/06/11

      Nup, i would take a cow over a Muslim refugee any day John.A cow wont sit on welfare, demand you change your way of life to suit it, wont build crime ridden, fithy Enclaves(Eg, Bankstown, Lakemba) or rape Australian girls because they are ‘Aussie sl*ts’, you also dont see cows burning down Australian taxpayer funded buildings because they didnt get what they want.In fact, i reckon cows contribute a whole lot more to this country than our current explosion of illegal welfare shoppers! smile

    • fml says:

      02:43pm | 01/06/11

      Ricky,

      And your type would be below the cows and muslim refugees.

    • centurion48 says:

      08:35am | 01/06/11

      I would have preferred that Nick Xenophon argue for stopping the live meat trade simply for the reason of creating jobs in Australia rather than leaping aboard the current (but known about by all in the trade for many, many years) hysteria at the cruelty of cattle in Indonesian abbatoirs as the reason. They are two discrete issues.
      The slaughter of animals anywhere for human consumption is abhorrent to me and a visit to an abbatoir in South Australia back in the 1970s turned me into a vegetarian. Accepting that America has the death penalty, would you meat eaters be happy to see humans stunned before they are put to death? I didn’t think so. I suggest people become informed about conditions for animals in Australian abbatoirs by personally visiting and watching sheep, pigs, cattle and poultry slaughtered before they sling mud at Indonesian practices.
      The live export trade is big business and vested interests have no intention of allowing that to stop. No amount of posturing by independants is going to alter that situation for more than a short hiccup.

    • Gav says:

      09:22am | 01/06/11

      You are comparing a slaughter house to Capital Punishment? Straw anyone?

    • Septimus says:

      10:06am | 01/06/11

      Since most death penalties these days are through lethal injection - people are ‘stunned’ via an anesthetic Sodium thiopental.

    • Shenanigans says:

      10:23am | 01/06/11

      Has anyone ever told you Humans are omnivores for a reason?

    • Geoff Russell says:

      08:42am | 01/06/11

      Well done Mr X and well done AW!

    • Daniel says:

      08:43am | 01/06/11

      Couldn’t agree more Nick you are very spot on the mark there. What are you going to do about it though? As i write this those Indonesians are struggling to kill our poor cattle we send there.

    • Harquebus says:

      08:52am | 01/06/11

      You can’t eat money but, cows are a different story. Those concerned with money rather than stopping cruelty need to take a good hard look at themselves.

    • fml says:

      02:44pm | 01/06/11

      Yer but with money you can buy cows..

    • Harquebus says:

      09:06pm | 02/06/11

      That is not going to last. Peak oil mate, peak oil.

    • Vanguard31 says:

      08:56am | 01/06/11

      Let’s get away, for a moment, from the disgusting practices employed by the Indonesions and spare a thought for those Australians, in both government and private Industry who have known of and been party to this treatment of animals. These poor people probably consider themselves good animal loving Christians and must be outraged by the practices they feel stem from the beliefs of infidels. How can these Australians sleep at night knowing, as they close their eyes that they play a large part in the application of severe cruelty to defenceless animals offshore. If they did not allow the sale of these animals, which are, like ourselves capaple of feeling pain, fear, separation, love etc. exactly as we do, then they would be making a statement for these animals. This, unfortunately, is not the case and I feel ashamed to be of the same species as these so called humans. To allow this to happen is to support the practice. There is no escaping blame, but plenty to share it. Meat , don’t we just love it?

    • Shenanigans says:

      10:30am | 01/06/11

      if you are so ashamed of being classified as a human, why not go back to the jungles and live with the monkeys like we used too?

      and before i start getting the hate poured on me for alluding to the face we evolved from primates, we are animals, we always have been and will continue to be animals, we will never stopbeing animals, we just evolved a greater capcitiy for logic and creative thinking then the rest of the animals on this planet.

      I love me some meat, nice juicy steak i had last night was amazing!

    • Vanguard31 says:

      12:22pm | 01/06/11

      @Shenanigans
      Not sure if I should really respond to your first papagraph, it hardly injects an intellectual tone to the conversation.
      Is it too hard to understand? Perhaps you should go and see the meat production process that is in place in order for you to enjoy eating other animals muscles etc.
      Sorry also, that in all we have gained by evolution,  empathy for the plight of other species has eluded some, but you make that plainly obvious yourself.
      Pity your colon as well mate, as that juicy steak is still winding its way through your entrails.

    • Shenanigans says:

      01:33pm | 01/06/11

      did you ever stop to think we are omnivores for a reason? or did the fact we have incisors in our mouth (which were originally for ripping flesh) allude you.

      I love eating animal muscles if thats the way you want to put it, i was brought up on a farm. i saw first hand how animals were slaughered for the consumption of people, hell i even slit a few throats of sheep in my time.

      all i can say is, Man up private twinkle toes.

    • Chris says:

      09:34am | 01/06/11

      Once again the elephant in the room is being ignored, maybe for political correctness, maybe some other reason, I cant say. But what is failed to be mentioned in all the reporting on this issue, is that the cattle are being slaughtered this way in the name of religion and the beliefs of the people who follow that religion. The cattle must be alive, on their knees, facing mecca and cut with a single slash across the throat. This is where the cruelty and brutality, but once again this is being totally ignored.

    • emel says:

      01:09pm | 01/06/11

      Important point Chris.
      The barbaric ritual you describe should alone be enough to condemn such ludicrous religious belief to the scrap heap.
      If this practice was carried out by a sect in the Adelaide hills, you can be sure the authorities would be on it like flies.
      I am a firm believer in multiculturalism and celebrating the differences each culture has, but having said that, cruelty is non-negotiable. If you treat animals like this then you should enjoy facing your deity from a cell.
      Xenophon has chosen not to enter into this aspect of the issue. Like most others.
      It is a thoughtful and thoroughly decent summary of the situation though, and for this I commend him.

    • JohnL says:

      01:59pm | 01/06/11

      And don’t forget that it has to die through exsanguination, that’s important that is.

    • LauraBoBaura says:

      02:34pm | 01/06/11

      Chris, seems like you aren’t too keen on mentioning said elephant either ‘this religion’ that religion’ etc etc…

      These barbaric practices is not confined to Muslims, just so you know. Have a look at how Jews slaughter their meat, legally, in Australia before you start pointing your finger at specific religions. They slit their throats, and get away with not stunning them unconscious, all in the name of their God.

    • stevem says:

      03:58pm | 01/06/11

      Chris, you highlight the problem in your own statement. You say “a single slash across the throat”. This is the problem it is not a single slash, but maybe 30. Therefore the meat, by definition, is not Halal. These abattoirs should simply be banned in Indonesia by Indonesia as they are not Halal.

    • Jade says:

      09:49am | 01/06/11

      Great article and I completely agree.  Fingers crossed something does happen and we aren’t stuck with it being “reviewed”.  Great start with the current ban on 11 abattoir’s already.

      These animals can’t speak up for themselves so we need to do it for them.

    • Sandra Blackmore says:

      09:54am | 01/06/11

      The time has never been better than at present to eliminate live exports where there is any risk whatsoever that animals are slaughtered after suffering. Killing can be painless even if the animals sense impending doom.
      The demand for Australian beef has never been higher and as the wool market is also booming, the industry could accommodate these changes. As a country born Australian, with numerous relatives and friends living on the land, my sympathies are always with rural sector - but not in this instance. Take a deep breath, stop these practises forever and perhaps the Federal Government has to invest in subsidies towards Australian meat processing suited to Muslim requirements. The time is now, comprehensive action is required.

    • DH says:

      10:00am | 01/06/11

      Good article, Nick. This ban, if we can get it through, won’t fix the wider problem of animal cruelty in every meat or food processing industry, but it’s a big step in the right direction.

    • Steve says:

      10:22am | 01/06/11

      Does anyone actually know how widespread these terrible slaughtering practices are? 

      Because that would seem to be a vital question to answer before shutting down an Australian industry and punishing the entire Indonesian nation.

      Was the ABC just visiting the known ‘bads’, tipping off by animal welfare NGOs, or was it across the entire Indonesian meat industry?

    • Jonno says:

      10:43am | 01/06/11

      Yes, these were the ‘bads’ shown.  the vast majority of Australian cattle go through 4 - 5 abattoirs only, where stunning is used (and has been for many years) due to the feedlot industry being heavily concentrated near Jakarta and Surabaya. 
      The cruelty shown was unnacceptable but not typical.  We do need to see some balance shown.  A blanket ban would punish the majority of players who have been doing the right thing.

      The argument that we should process the cattle here is flawed.  The Australian processing sector is suffering from serious staff shortages and is now heavily reliant on overseas workers on 457 visa’s.  Any abattoir based in North Western Australia would have to be fully staffed by imported workers as everyone else is working in the mines

    • Sarhn says:

      10:52am | 01/06/11

      I could not have said it better.  Thank you for your post!

    • Lily says:

      10:52am | 01/06/11

      I just find it hypocritical that we would be concerned about the treatment of an animal that we are sentancing to death anyway. The whole concept of farming animals for food is unethical, but it is the way life is. I’m not a vegetarian by any means but quite frankly I’d rather eat a sad animal than a happy one.

    • Jade says:

      11:21am | 01/06/11

      So by that logic, since your going to die anyway one day someone is allowed to torture you to death, inflict unimaginable horror on you because, meh your going to die anyways.  I am not vegetarian, but no animal deserves to be treated that way regardless of whether they are for food or not.

    • Mara says:

      11:31am | 01/06/11

      Lily- what you have said makes zero sense. I’m a vegan but I understand some people feel the need to eat meat. I understand that there are allegedly more humane ways to slaughter animals. What I don’t understand is how a person can condone the animal being tortured just because he/she will be killed anyway. Does that mean that you feel a person with terminal cancer who is in great pain but is going to die anyway doesn’t deserve to do so with medication to dull the pain? Does that mean you feel that the stoning of women on death row in Muslim countries who are there on trumped up and false charges is okay because they were sentenced to death anyway so it doesn’t matter?

      I don’t want to name call and be rude but in your case I’ll make an exception. Your statement exposed you as an ignorant, dumb, nasty, sh!tty excuse for a human being. Have fun eating your dead animals which were most likely killed using heinous methods and was full of fear and pain at the time of its death

    • Lily says:

      11:57am | 01/06/11

      @Jade & Mara: Completely missed the point… and your examples are completely redundant. Here is the scenario: You have to tell a child that you have raised in a farm like environment as a food source that it’s all OK because you are going to kill them humanely before you have them for dinner. You find a way to make good with this and I will concede you as many points as you like. Then ask yourself honestly, which one are you feeling less guilty telling, the sad one in the corner or the bright happy one bouncing around imagining their future.
      I’m not going to name call back, well because that is not the point of forum discussions. I’m just trying to point out that there is some degree of hypocrisy in this. I applaude you for being a vegan, you are a better person than I am in your ethical choices in the treatment of animals.

    • LauraBoBaura says:

      02:53pm | 01/06/11

      Lily. That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever & your example is, well, just silly. You don’t tell animals that you’re going to kill them, so comparing them to a child is just plain ridiculous.

      The analogy should go more along the lines of: How would you prefer to be killed? Would you rather have a 3 inch bolt shot into your head quickly & relatively painlessly then your throat slit, or have your eyes gouged out, tendons slit & suffer through multiple botched attempts of slitting your throat with a rusty knife after you’ve watched several of your friends be killed in the same manner?

    • Lily says:

      04:12pm | 01/06/11

      So as long as they are ignorant till we start punching holes in their heads it’s fine?
      I certainly wouldn’t be standing in line waiting and watching my friends get killed and think; oh well at least it’s a bolt to the head, that makes this so much better. Besides, how do they know they got the worse end of the stick if we can’t speak to them and put forward the hypothetical question?
      I am not advocating that they should be killed horribly or painfully, I’m just thoroughly confused how people can get so upset about how they are killed while convieniently forgetting that the entire process is horrible. I accept that, and as a meat eater accept my responsibility and accountability for the entire process, I’m just not trying to make myself feel better by saying well at least it was done nicely.

    • Robert S McCormick says:

      11:46am | 01/06/11

      It is not enough that our oh-so-timorous Agriculture Minister, Joe Ludwig, has suspened live cattle exports to just 11 Indonesian Torture Chambers. He must immediately introduce total, world-wide bans on this sort of export.
      Australia is probably, as usaul, selling these animals to Indonesia & others at rock bottom prices. By introducing world-wide bans Australia will demonstrate to the world that we will not tolerate cruelty to & the torture of any harmless animal. Like-minded countries, and certainly in the Northern Hemisphere there are dozens of them, will more than compensate for any lost sales to Indonesia etc. In fact producers will probably get even better prices.
      If we insist that all livestock for food is processed in Australia, (yes we can observe the religious requirements of other nations for we have people of all religions, nations living right here), then we can guarantee that those animals are killed in the most humane way possible.
      We can also guarantee that the premises, unlike those filthy, disgusting ones of Indonesia as shown on 4 Corners, are hygenically maintained.
      The nonsense that the use of stun-guns goes against those religious dictates is a nonsense for the animals, though they may be unconscious are still breathing. They deserve at least a modicum of respect.
      If others want our meat then they can have them but under our regulations.
      Mr Ludwig, stop this cruelty & inhumanity now. If you don’t then we will have every right to brand you as no better than those monsters in Indonesia.

    • Lily says:

      11:54am | 01/06/11

      @Jade & Mara: Completely missed the point… and your examples are completely redundant. Here is the scenario: You have to tell a child that you have raised in a farm like environment as a food source that it’s all OK because you are going to kill them humanely before you have them for dinner. You find a way to make good with this and I will concede you as many points as you like. Then ask yourself honestly, which one are you feeling less guilty telling, the sad one in the corner or the bright happy one bouncing around imagining their future.
      I’m not going to name call back, well because that is not the point of forum discussions. I’m just trying to point out that there is some degree of hypocrisy in this. I applaude you for being a vegan, you are a better person than I am in your ethical choices in the treatment of animals.

    • Jade says:

      12:19pm | 01/06/11

      If I had to butcher my own animals I wouldn’t eat meat simple.  I feel guilty enough now as it is regardless of whether the animal is “happy” or “sad”.  I think its you that has missed the point… pretty much what you are saying is that its okay to kill and torture these animals cause they are “sad” or terrified anyway. Fail.

    • Lily says:

      02:25pm | 01/06/11

      Not really. I’m just saying that it is hypocritical to pretend we really care. Of course I don’t want animals to be tortured, why would I advocate that? I don’t ideally want them to die either. I’m a meat eater who buys stuff neatly packaged and couldn’t stomach killing it myself either. I like eating meat. I believe as omnivores that is what our body is designed to do. I think the concept of farming is wrong, but the alternative of hunting free wild animals seems worse. At the end of the day I’m going to be realistic about the fact that I partake in the killing and raising of animals as an objectified food source, and remove myself from the process as far as possible. I’m not going to give myself a gold star and say it is all OK because at least they died nicely. That is something you say about someone dying of a natural condition as per your before example, not someone you have directly or indirectly slaughtered.

    • Jade says:

      03:39pm | 01/06/11

      Lily, the thing is people don’t pretend to care, they do care or this would not be as big an issue as it had become.  Regardless of whether the animal is scared, happy or sad at the end of the day nothing deserves to be treated in such a way and we need to try and do our bit from preventing this happening in the future.  Its not being hypocritical, its showing compassion for other creatures.

    • Baal says:

      09:27pm | 01/06/11

      @Lily.
      I have worked on a cattle farm, an abatoir on the killing floor and a butchers in Australia. Farmers and abatoir workers here do care about the welfare of the animals and look after the animals well so they lead happy well fed and protected lives up until they meet the end they were literally born for.
      Remember these are cows, incredibally stupid animals that if treated well lead content lives then are killed instantly.
      The poor cows sent too asia from happy aussie farms are made to suffer on ships then tortured by ignorant people and needs to stop. That you would think that is hypocrisy to care about an animal under your care shows you have little real knowledge.
      I have looked into the big gentle dumb brown eyes of a cow as I herded him onto the killing floor. I cried that night to be honest but realised that if we are going to eat meat the least we can do is treat the animal well until we kill it.

    • dancan says:

      11:57am | 01/06/11

      I tell you what,  I’d be happy to see a carbon tax introduced if the raised funds went to subsidizing the costs of food production and processing here in Australia so the food would actually be produced, processed and served here.

    • colroe says:

      11:57am | 01/06/11

      I reside in Indonesia.  This cruelty is not in the least unusual.  In each city, town and village at the time of year known locally as Hari Raya Hajii, thousands of animals are slaughtered in this manner by untrained males in mosques, village squares, etc.  It is a mind numbing experience to watch.  Don’t blame the workers, they are poorly educated and largely ignorant, having grown up accustomed to everyday cruelty.  This is an Australian problem, which should be dealt with at home.  Do not, for one minute, think the Indonesians will honor any animal rights agreements.

    • Jonno says:

      01:08pm | 01/06/11

      I have also resided in Indonesia and Malaysia and have also seen the mass slaughtering that takes place each Korban and yes there is a high level of stress and cruelty to the animals prior to slaughter due to the lack of infrastructure and experience of the slaughterman.  The actual Korban slaughter is normally far more humane however than what was depicted on 4 Corners.  This is due to the animals being local and therefore smaller and easier to control which ensures that the jugular and carotid artery is severed on the first cut leading to rapid death.

      The Australian cattle depicted were being incorrectly slaughtered and left to drown in their own blood - which goes against the principals of Halal slaughter, and therefore the Indonesian religious authorities should be coming down hard on any abattoir not applying the religious principals.

      It is possible to regulate and accredit specific Indonesian abattoirs to Australian standards to ensure best practice welfare and hygeine standards are met.  The majority of feedlotting operations of Australian cattle have high levels of Australian corporate equity, and some have their own abattoirs (that are operating under Australian management to Australian and US standards).  I am certain these Australian companies are terrified of the prospect of a ban and will be doing everything they can to be in compliance.

      It is clear that the industry can not self regulate itself in regard to this however, and there needs to be independent oversight to ensure there is no ‘leakage’ from the accreditation system into facilities such as those depicted in 4 Corners.  It is also clear that stunning should be a mandatory condition of the accreditation system before any exports are allowed to resume.

      Don’t be fooled that the Indonesian’s can not source cattle from elsewhere, and that if we stop supplying they will simply buy our frozen beef.  Brazil has been trying to get into Indonesia for many years.  It is only our close proximity to Indonesia that has seen them kept out due to the high logistics costs of the Brazilians.  Brazil is an FMD country, however Indonesia recently opened Sulawesi to Indian beef (also an FMD country) on a ‘trial’ basis and Indonesia would have no choice but to open the whole country to Brazil if we withdraw supply.

      For any good to come from what was exposed by 4 Corners, Australia should keep supplying Indonesia with live cattle but under strict conditions which will see incremental progress in welfare standards in that market.  If we cease supplying them, the suffering will go on, but with animals from other sources.

    • Kika says:

      12:26pm | 01/06/11

      Halal is supposed to be a humane way of killing as the blood letting makes the animal pass out before it’s killed. It’s a legacy of the kosher laws in Jewish traditions. What they are doing in Indonesia is barbaric. They have untrained people doing the halal slaughter where they are supposed to have properly qualified Imams who oversee it to make sure it’s done humanely and quickly. These are just factories trying to kill as many cows as possible.

      As if anything would change here about live exporting. The cattle barons and all livestock kings out west don’t give a damn what happens unless it hurts them in the pocket.

      Halal meat here is killed almost exactly the same way as normal (bolt through the brain) except an Imam is supposed to watch over it to certify it as halal. Why can’t Indonesia just accept our halal certified steak? Profits. Greed. Oh yeah I forgot.

    • Edward James says:

      12:26pm | 01/06/11

      Mr Ludwig told the camera he did not actually know the numbers after he said eleven! More importantly as the Federal Agricultural Minister with responsibility which flows to him pursuant to the law of continuing succession. He may be identified as accommodating these cruel practices in just the same way Agriculture Ministers who preceded him have. The media hype right now is hurting government, but this sort of animal cruelty has been exposed before, perhaps it is the WWW which is helping the grass roots community to add pressure? With public trust journalist able to follow up Animals Australia and the Four corners program and over time reach hundreds of voters on electronic social networks. Consider just how many political party members will have been aware of this animal abuse for decades, then ask yourself why local branch party meetings went no where with the information? After all party politicians are in fact only a small minority of our population with a disproportionate amount of influence. Edward James

    • Dieter Moeckel says:

      12:32pm | 01/06/11

      Humane slaughter is an oxymoron. In the end Dead is Dead - What is, in fact humane in slaughtering any animal?
      While I agree with the sentiment of the good senator what he has actually missed in his article is that the animals don’t leave the ships for the abattoir. Hence value adding in Australia by fattening and slaughter is of no value to Indonesian live importers.
      This might be dated but I remember the Indonesian trade demanding animals around 250 kilo weight so that there would be a value added component for Indonesian industry before slaughter. A supplier I knew in the NT seemed to agree that the Indonesians had some right to demand a particular product , while a Queensland rural affairs paper suggested that Indonesians should STFU stop demanding and just “take what we decide to give them.” Just a smidgin arrogant no matter how we look at it.
      Now that Australia has targetted live beef to Indonesia what about live sheep, live goats and live seafood ... It gets better and better ... What about live drug smugglers who face the death penalty - while not a live export it was a live citizen betrayal by the AFP, Any one want to go to live asylum seeker trafficking ... ?
      By the way, my wife and I do not eat veal because of the way calves are treated in European countries, we raise our own beef, pork and eggs because of animal cruelty in factory farming - ie feed lots, cages, pens.
      We are not vegans so we kill our own ... humanely ... ?

    • stevem says:

      12:46pm | 01/06/11

      Possibly the easiest solution would be simply to take the video to Indonesia and show it to whatever body does the Halal certification. The video would see their certification revoked and put them out of business. Job done.
      Trying to change things by whipping up a fervour in the Australian media is not going to change a thing.

    • Frank says:

      12:50pm | 01/06/11

      so wait these animals are then killed for food or what? umm so wat is the issue here sorry to be ignorant to the plight of our yet to be slaughtered animal cousins but they are going to die anyway no? Humane way…is a greenie term for “lets treat them like people” but we are not cannibals and we are not all going to become vegetarians or vegans for that matter any time soon. If they are not on our shore its not our problem…umm do we ask the Chinese how many animals they kill from the toxic chemicals that spill from their coal-fire powerstations after we give them the coal? argh no…

    • The Redman says:

      06:59pm | 01/06/11

      We kill animals for food, you idiot. We don’t torture them. What a quaint philosophy you have “not on our shore, not our problem”. It’s about principle, something you clearly do not possess. The last comment about China was, well, stupid beyond belief.

    • hawker says:

      01:18pm | 01/06/11

      I was counting the seconds until this bloke jumped on this particular bandwagon

    • emel says:

      01:19pm | 01/06/11

      @Frank,
      greenie term? The issue here is that we ARE sending these animals offshore. Do you see the dillema? Perhaps not.
      Perhaps I should starve my rabbit because it will eventually die anyway.
      I hope that you are not left to care for any elderly relatives…...

    • Dieter Moeckel says:

      01:30pm | 01/06/11

      Emel
      I hope you don’t have a rabbit. Or are you saving it form the Calcivi virus.
      Rabbits are illegal in Queensland and the Calcivi virus is marginally more cruel than the Indonesian slaughter methods. Ever killed a mouse with rat poison where they bleed to death internally or is it see one don’t see the other so I don’t care.
      Of course the slaughter in Indonesia is cruel and inhumane and should be stopped but then should calcivi virus, 1080,baiting and other inhumane pest control.

    • Alex says:

      01:25pm | 01/06/11

      Nick, you seem to be the only person in Australian Politics that has the balls to tackle the difficult issues and the brains and common sense to propose practical ways to fix them. I’ve been watching you with admiration ever since you pushed for a charities commission, and if you were to ever run for PM, you’d have my vote in a split-second.

    • Shenanigans says:

      01:54pm | 01/06/11

      I do love how slaughtering of animals has being going on since the time when some primative dude jumped out of a tree, proceeded to beat the crap out of an unsuspecting animal with a sharp pointy stick chucked it on the fire and cooked it all nice and good like for his tribe, and yet all of you start to complain now? i mean i’m agaisnt the cruelty of animals, and im not supporting the indonesians in this at all but you lot need to get off this bandwagon, calm down and go find something else to cry over, because for as long is there a man or woman craving some meat, there is going to be some poor unsuspecting animal thats going to get dead for it nicely or not.

    • Anjuli says:

      02:35pm | 01/06/11

      Your comment: One report I read said that this was not Halal killing if this live trade is allowed to go on then we are no better than those who are doing the killing. There is an e-mail circulating stating when those of a radical nature of any culture go rouge and others do nothing , suddenly they wake up and find themselves owned by the radicals ,so what are all those passive Muslims going to do about this which is supposed to be done in their name.

    • Jenanic says:

      03:01pm | 01/06/11

      At the moment I can buy Australian beef and lamb in the Middle East cheaper than I can in Australia. I’m a little concerned that will change if live exporting is banned. When Mohammed told his people to kill animals with a sharp knife it was because, at the time, that was the most humane method and otherwise most Arabs don’t show much compassion for animals. I’m sure he’d be happy if his people progressed with technology.

    • John says:

      03:12pm | 01/06/11

      @Ricky. 
      Your preference for a cow (unless you are a bull) over a human being says a lot about you Ricky. Your generalisation that all refugees are on welfare and live in filthy enclaves is not only incorrect but also unwarranted. Can you please quote some police statistics to justify your statements about rape? If you were persecuted in your native country, and look towards Australia as a beacon of light, and end up getting locked up in detention for months on end in a “factory for mental illness”, I wonder how you would behave.
      The only reason why you (presumably) were born in Australia and is a non-Muslim, is only a matter of chance and geography, not because you deserve a better life than the rest of humanity.
      @Mara
      Mara, it is not illegal for boat people to claim refugee status, it is their right under a UN convention, of which Australia is a signatory. You too would do your utmost possible to leave your native country, to seek a better life for you and your family in Australia, if you were being abused in your own native land.
      Your friends from Ireland, who are most welcome here, are not even close to being a good comparison. Most migrants (some 250,000 annually) apply for a residences visa in their own country, prior to moving here.  The total boat people arriving in Australia last year was 7,000. Get real!

    • Biteme says:

      05:24pm | 01/06/11

      I can accept Muslim men beating their wives, performing the nick on their daughters, and stoning women for adultery, but I will no way accept the torturing animals.

    • John says:

      08:41am | 02/06/11

      @ Biteme
      Red-neck comments like yours only misinform, and encourage hatred. 
      We should not accept the torturing of animals, nor should we accept, men beating women, abuse of children, or stoning women for adultery, whether the perpetrators are Muslim or indeed Christian, Buddhist, Hindu or Atheist like myself.

    • Jonno says:

      06:21pm | 01/06/11

      Look at the reason people overseas want live animals… you might get further nick…
      otherwise this appears to be another political media stunt…

    • Averill says:

      10:03pm | 01/06/11

      Thank you Nick Xenophon for a great article. If Australia spent the money it send to Indonesia, several billion dollars I think, on expanding the Abattoirs here, it would benefit many people in the North of WA and Queensland. I am a vegetarian, but I notice that more and more of the Butchers shops in shopping centres have the “halal” signs. When did this practice become the norm for Australians? 1 %  of the population is dictating to the other 99% how its meat should be processed? Stop this insidious rot before it is too late.  We do not want to see what 4 Corners exposed on Monday night happening here.

    • gazamataz says:

      10:53pm | 01/06/11

      God bless you, Nick Xenophon!

      Thank you for standing up for the powerless and the least among us and against all those ruthless, money-grubbing, immoral, primitive brutes who, throughout history, have always had to be led, kicking and screaming into a better world, by good people like you.

    • Govt@FauxCitizen says:

      12:24am | 02/06/11

      @ Dieter Moeckel, I learnt from a young age that to kill an animal swiftly was a craft not to make me feel better but proud with my ability,  more to do with the non suffering of the animal affecting texture and the taste of the meat mostly from stress and adrenalin , I agree with your broad and blunt point of view that dead is dead and I have witnessed in an Australian abattoir stuffups in the knocking box where an inexperienced slaughterman got it wrong and it’s taken at least several attempts to finish the beast off, whilst un-intentional, nonetheless distressing to all and appaling to witness, but it is sadistic to take pleasure in slowly torturing any living thing to death, hacking the throat of the animal whilst it is still concious and experiencing horriffic pain, shock and fear is unacceptable in this enlightened age, the trade of the slaugterman/person [ political corectness cited] is a craft that delivers good product whilst having respect and empathy for the animals’ last moment of life, wether it is standing in a knock box in an abattoir or in the bush in the sights of my rifle, nothing less than instant brain death is acceptable to be proud of. It is a proven fact that anybody that has no empathy for creatures is likely to have little or no empathy for humans, shown by diplaying violence and aggression.

    • Ross says:

      12:55am | 02/06/11

      Seems to me we care more about how our uranium is used and cared for outside of Australia than these poor cattle. Since when was an animal who we bred and nurtured cared for less than a mineral .If halal killing is like that the sooner they all starve the better. Is it Halal to put their finger in the animals eye just part of the send off or do they just want to be more cruel?

    • Mandy says:

      01:11am | 02/06/11

      Thank goodness ... A real politician steps forward for the people. Thank you Nick Xenephon. Thank you.

    • Get Real says:

      02:46pm | 02/06/11

      Just saw Four Corners and all I can say is I am absolutely disgusted and ashamed to be Australian. If even Temple Grandin, a world expert on cattle and who designed over half of America’s cattle slaughterhouses was appalled and shocked that Australia is doing this, there is something seriously wrong. If the government has any credibility left at all they would end this brutal trade now. No amount of money justifies this level of suffering and it will continue until it is banned.

    • Ken says:

      07:29pm | 03/06/11

      I wonder how the families of the politicians who support the export of live animals, think and feel about the issue?  If they were part of my family, they would be told to walk, and never bother to come back. I would not want to know anyone who supports such cruilty, no metter what the excuse they came up with.

 

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