Andrew Bolt, the man all lefties love to hate, has really done it this time.

A word cloud of Tory's column.

Bolt’s a great opinion columnist. He is well researched, eloquent, and knows exactly which buttons to push to whip up indignation and outrage. That’s his job, and he’s bloody good at it.

But his latest effort treads a dangerous line. It fuels racist thinking. Even more than usual.

In his weekly News Ltd column he lists a bunch of statistics – let’s take it on faith that he’s got them from good sources – as part of an argument about getting the “right” immigrants. He writes (and sorry for the length cut and paste here):

* Britain’s Metropolitan police this month revealed that most men charged in London for gun crime, robberies and street crime are black, even though blacks make up just 12 per cent of Londoners.

* Britain’s Centre for Social Cohesion this month said two-thirds of 124 Islamist terrorists convicted there since 1999, were of British nationality, and almost half of Pakistani, Bangladeshi or Indian heritage.

* A third of the gang members in Canada’s prisons have African ancestry, although just 2.5 per cent of population are African Canadians. Latinos make up 6 per cent of all gang members, but just 1.5 per cent of the population.

* Swedes with a Middle Eastern nationality are 6.6 more likely than Swedish citizens to be in prison. For Africans it’s 10.9 times.

Now to Australia:

* The 20 people convicted here for terrorism offences are all Muslim.

* Australians born in Tonga and Samoa are more than five times more likely than the rest of us to be jailed.

* Australians born in Romania, Vietnam, Sudan and Lebanon have jail rates much higher than the average - and Chinese and Indians much lower.

Whole lotta stats there, cherry picked from all over the place.

Now, Bolt knows he can’t just throw these figures around without qualifying them – anyone who can read should know that some people are more likely to end up in trouble because they are born into appalling socio-economic conditions; that some people are more likely to be jailed than your average Anglo for exactly the same crime; and that some people are isolated from society, which in turn makes them more likely to commit crimes.

So, now that he’s made his legions of racist fans happy, he does a little sort of embarrassed cough (Ho, ho, chaps, didn’t really mean that, but it does set the scene somewhat, eh?) and moves on to what he really wants to say.

Which is that we shouldn’t let Muslims in, because too many of them are anti-democratic terrorists (although he couches the suggestion in questions, which is odd for such a normally assertive writer).

His flaws are legion. He claims Australians are “too polite” to discuss the cultural aspects of immigration.

Bullshit. People are talking about it all the time, from Government ministers to cab drivers.

He says minorities in European countries are basically held hostage by “unassimilated” minorities. This is a wild exaggeration of the schisms that do exist, and completely overlooks the role of racism in ostracising those minorities.

He says in Australia, Muslims particularly are just not “right”. His evidence? Hizb ut-Tahrir and Sheikh Taj el-Din al Hilaly. As though they’re representative of Muslim society.

Great harm has been done in the name of Islam. From wars to inhumanly atrocious attacks to everyday subjugation of women. Evil has been done in the name of Islam. But it’s not alone, and that’s not enough to tar all Muslims.

If you want to follow Bolt’s logic, there’s a bunch of other people you want to keep out. Catholics, because of the child abuse. Christians, because of the weapon-hoarding doomsday cults. Jews, because of Gaza.

The biggest problem with Bolt’s argument is not that he blithely disregards the contribution that Muslims have made to Australia, and the world, or that he picks on them to the exclusion of all others,
it’s that he does not realise how much we need Muslims to solve the “Muslim” problems.

We have more than 350,000 Muslims in Australia. Most of them are as horrified as any non-Muslim at terrorist attacks, at the way women are treated in some Muslim countries, at the anti-democratic sentiments of Hizb ut-Tahrir.

What Bolt is doing, by sketching Islam as a monolith, is alienating those who are best placed to tackle these issues. His words widen the gap in understanding.

Yes, he’s sparking debate – that’s his job – but he’s also guilty of the same sins he accuses Muslims of – of setting one society against another.

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    • Eric says:

      06:09am | 16/07/10

      Once again, the tired old cry of “raaaaacist!” is used to drown out any discussion of forbidden topics.

      Bolt is right, and that’s why his critics have to use smear words. They can’t refute his points using facts or reason, so calling him names is all they have.

    • Pete from Sydney says:

      08:24am | 16/07/10

      the only argument that’s tired is yours Eric…if you’re a rascist admit it, don’t hide behind selective stats and flawed conclusions…racism is not based on logic…it’s illogical prejudice…fess up…

    • Dot says:

      09:08am | 16/07/10

      What crap!

      Regardless of whether I agree with Tory, I can see very clearly that she’s engaging in an open debate - and inviting Bolt to do the same.

      Your flawed logic could be applied equally to Bolt - ie, he avoids rational argument and resorts to name calling (eg, terrorist, anti-democratic). 

      But that’s not right, is it?  It’s an over-simplification of Bolt’s approach, which doesn’t do Bolt justice.

      I don’t care if you’re racist or not.  I’m more worried if you’re stupid.

    • L. says:

      09:11am | 16/07/10

      Rasism..??

      Since when was Islam a ‘race’..??

    • OldGirl says:

      09:24am | 16/07/10

      I agree with you Eric, we can’t even voice our opinions anymore. I resent being called racist for having an opinion. For the record I actually don’t mind Muslims being here at all or any other race.. The Bug Bear I have is young Afghan men heading here for asylum, while young Australians are fighting and dying in Afghanistan. It just seems wrong to me, they need to stay and fight for their rights in their own country If anyone invaded Australia, I would be on the shore with my frypan ready to swat them on the head, I would never run.

    • rick says:

      10:30am | 16/07/10

      Without saying Eric is right or wrong, please people do and go read Bolt’s article on The Punch. You will see the difference between a researched journalist as opposed to an amateur writing a sensationalistic article just for her minutes of fame.

      Bolt’s article is serious, mature discussion - regardless of being right or wrong. Tory’s article sounds like “oh, I feel like writing about this because it looks piquant” and fa from mature discussion it looks like empty rethoric attacks.

    • acotrel says:

      10:54am | 16/07/10

      The most famous person to use xenophobia as a political tool shot himself in 1945.  Asylum seekers are an issue created by the Liberal Party especially for the election.  The statistics clearly show it’s a non-issue, but the Libs are intent on manufacturing politics, they have NOTHING CONSTRUCTIVE TO OFFER!

    • Godin says:

      12:43pm | 16/07/10

      My law rules!

    • DD Ball says:

      12:53pm | 16/07/10

      You are correct, Eric, but being correct is not enough, you need to substantiate how you are correct.
      Bolt has not said anything racist, by which I mean he has not said that all people who are black or islamic or some other is a criminal because of their race. That is something that has been said by those he criticizes. Bolt has pointed out some very uncomfortable truths which some public servants have not been allowed to say, but which statistics can show. They aren’t cherry picked, they are salient. There is a difference. Cherry picked data is that which shows global warming .. because it ignores data which shows global cooling or global staying the same. Cherry picked Data is that which suggests something different to what is actually happening, it has bias. Like Tory’s unsubstantiated assertion that Bolt is racist.

    • Big Yin says:

      01:57pm | 16/07/10

      Racism? I don’t think so, Muslim ISN’T a race, it’s a religion and that makes any comment against muslims or any other religion, a case of bigotry. Now, it seems that, when it comes to religious tolerance, radical Islamists seem to be the most intolerant bunch, followed by the strict adherents to Judaism. The thing that gets me is Muslims, Jews & Christians all worship the same figment of each other’s imagination, to wit:- Allah, Jehovah or God. That being the case, why are they always at each other’s throats? Bigotry exists in ALL religions

    • REDDOG says:

      04:04pm | 16/07/10

      A minority of Lefties are going to (already have) destroy this country lead by the legions of the useless.

      To have an opinion does not make you a Racist to speak your mind does not make you a Racist and to protect what you hold dear does not make you a Racist.

      These Lefties , especially these media commentators, are all of those failed Reds and Socialists from years ago who have now picked up with a new banner namely Political Correctness.

      They are as pathetic now as they were back then.

      They would erode your rights using PC or Bigotism or even Enviromental issues if they are permitted.

      To speak out and say what you think does not make you any of the above its just your opinion and that is your right.

    • jim says:

      09:42pm | 17/07/10

      Nice to see the Chinese and Indians leading the way of a life less the crime.

      Oh hang on, is that a racist statement?

    • ian pountney says:

      08:07pm | 27/06/11

      well said eric exactly right

    • ian pountney says:

      09:03pm | 27/06/11

      why is it only us dumb whites condem our own people for being racist as if no other race or culture is racist you never here of other cultures condeming their own kind do you especially muslims

    • Sean Williams says:

      06:28am | 16/07/10

      Couldn’t agree more Tory and well done for calling this guy out. Forget about the “dog whistle”, Bolt prefers the “vuvuzela” when it comes to race issues. I see in his right to reply he’s even denying that he has “legions of racist fans”. He clearly never reads the comments on his Herald-Sun blog - it’s ratbag central in there!

    • James says:

      07:15am | 16/07/10

      Epic fail Tory

      (...You haven’t bothered to put any effort into understanding Andrew Bolts article, so I shall not bother to put any further effort into criticising this load of rubbish you have written…)

    • Seano says:

      09:04am | 16/07/10

      She has if you read her article, she’s obviously got a different opinion to yours. Sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming “nah nah nah nah I can’t hear you” isn’t exactly demonstrating a lot of effort to understand Tory’s point.

    • MarK says:

      01:46pm | 16/07/10

      It is not an opinion seano as she has gone off on tangents and has not addressed BoltA’s piece as it was written.

      “Whole lotta stats there, cherry picked from all over the place.” lazy lazy stuff.

      “In his weekly News Ltd column he lists a bunch of statistics – let’s take it on faith that he’s got them from good sources” Ad homien attack. She can check them if she wants to refute them not use a courtroom trick to try and taint perfectly good evidence. Lazy and intellectually damning.


      “as part of an argument about getting the “right” immigrants.”  I love how her quotation is meant to reflect on BoltA view and by inference he is a racist. Note to Tory BoltA was responding to Gillards desire to seek the “right kind of immigrants”. Why not focus on that? Or are you just out as an attack dog and damn anything that gets inconveniently in the way of a good rant?

      “So, now that he’s made his legions of racist fans happy” This really lost me. Sterotypical crap from a person of low intelligence. Are you angry Tory? Hmmm…bit of rage there?

      “If you want to follow Bolt’s logic, there’s a bunch of other people you want to keep out. Catholics, because of the child abuse. Christians, because of the weapon-hoarding doomsday cults. Jews, because of Gaza.”
      Yes lets project some more in there because if you arguing for what is not apparent in the article you need to make stuff up to continue your rant about nothing. That is not opinion. That is mad up crap.

      “He says in Australia, Muslims particularly are just not “right”. His evidence? Hizb ut-Tahrir and Sheikh Taj el-Din al Hilaly. As though they’re representative of Muslim society.” Hmmm. Are they not Muslim leaders? Are they then not representative of certain muslims? Are you just going to be lazy as to take a comment and project even more meaning than was given in the face of qualifications? Yeh, I guess you are.

      Tory and seano I get it that you are angry. I get it you come from a different side of politics. I get ti that you love to make stuff up to fit a narrative.

      But seriously lets ask some real questions eh?

      What did Gillard mean? She raised the “right type of immigrant issue.

      What do we say to Nixon on Victoria who hid crime figures vis African refugees and was thus implicit in having Kevin Andrews name smeered by a foul campaign in 2007? Why is that disgraceful act and omission not chased down with vigour? Why is it not asked of authorities what they do to help these people assimilate?

      So very very lazy. So very very boring and typical.

    • Seano says:

      03:31pm | 16/07/10

      Bit hard to check facts that are unsourced. Speaking of old tricks so is cherry picking status that support your argument whilst ignoring other stats and then not bothering to source the whole thing anyway.

      Talk about boring and lazy, almost as bad as someone putting arguments into your mouth that you haven’t said and then responding to those arguments. As if that somehow makes you clever or right.

    • NP says:

      02:33pm | 17/07/10

      A few simple google searches revealed the source of about 90% of the stats for me… in short, they come from government and university research.

    • PaulB says:

      06:06pm | 18/07/10

      Those stats contain an awful lot of cherrys ripe for the picking, Seano.

    • BK says:

      07:38am | 16/07/10

      It is difficult to find a middle ground between racial stereotyping and ignoring the facts. We couuld consider stopping family reunion immigration involving families whose members have been in trouble with the law here.

    • Ziggy says:

      07:56am | 16/07/10

      Did we read the same comments? My understanding of what Bolt wrote is totally different. Plus he never stated much of what you criticise. Appears you read into his article what you wanted to see. Which speaks volumes about your own prejudices.

    • Brian B says:

      08:01am | 16/07/10

      I’ve been trying hard to think of a positive contribution that followers of Islam have made to Australia as a vibrant, free nation…........but….......can’t come up with anything.

    • bella starkey says:

      08:41am | 16/07/10

      Kebabs and persian rugs?

    • Helen says:

      09:10am | 16/07/10

      You might start by googling “Afghan Cameleers”. Evidently the downgrading of history teaching in schools is taking its toll. You might also google some of our awesome young Muslim witers and youth reps such as Waleed Aly, Irfan yusuf and Samah Hadid.

    • Fred says:

      10:58am | 16/07/10

      @ Helen - Yes, Waleed Aly is a perfect example for this - a brilliant individual

    • Andrew says:

      08:06am | 16/07/10

      Ory says - “We have more than 350,000 Muslims in Australia. Most of them are as horrified as any non-Muslim at terrorist attacks, at the way women are treated in some Muslim countries, at the anti-democratic sentiments of Hizb ut-Tahrir.”
      If that is true why don’t more of the 350,000 Muslims in Australia come out publicly and say that if they’re so horrified. Instead they would prefer to come out saying Australians are racist.

    • Nicholas says:

      08:16am | 16/07/10

      I agree Andrew, and people like Tory feed the sentiment that Australians are racist by writing this garbage all the time.

    • Trevor says:

      08:43am | 16/07/10

      They do say it. In corridors, in offices, in kitchens, in shopping malls, in supermarkets.  All the time in everyday life.

      If they don’t say it through the megaphone of the media, that would be because no-one hands them the megaphone.  A person saying “I’m an ordinary Australian citizen and I have the same views about terrorism as you do” isn’t regarded as news!!

    • Paul says:

      12:26pm | 16/07/10

      during the little war between Hezbollah and Israel in 2006 and then again this year with the Gaza flotilla, there was a lot of protesting and sabre rattling by the Muslim community (and others) - seems they have a voice when it suits them.

    • Super D says:

      01:28pm | 16/07/10

      @ Trevor - or do they not publicly disavow their fellow muslims out of fear for their safety?

    • Reijo says:

      06:06pm | 17/07/10

      If you want to understand Islam, read the SIra (life of Mohammed), the Hadith (traditions and sayings of Mohammad), and the Quran.

      These are the doctrinal trilogy that underpin Political Islam and its spawn Universal Jihad.

      People - you really need to come to grips with the nature of this so-called religion of peace.

    • T.Chong says:

      08:10am | 16/07/10

      BK   european settlement in Oz began with people “in trouble with the law “, many of whom reunited, bringing family here.

    • 1792,and not crims says:

      11:52pm | 17/07/10

      Chong,ye of the dull….there were soldiers,staff and officials,botanists,surveyors,builders, tradesman,and a band of convicts that would not have numbered a quarter,the govt and staff built and started this country not convicts,although they did contribute labour,do you think crims turned up and yelled,,,lets build a country,,you idiot

    • rob foster says:

      08:13am | 16/07/10

      Tory, Tory, go and have another latte with the doctor’s wives love.

    • PN says:

      02:36pm | 17/07/10

      Rob, come on mate, fair go. I’m a doctor and my wife wouldn’t be caught dead sipping lattes and talking like the rubbish in Tory’s article… gotta stand up for the missus

    • Delphic Oracle says:

      08:17am | 16/07/10

      We condtinue to accept people here who do not or will not assimilate at our peril.  Tory, Just read Christopher Caldwell’s “Reflections on the Revolution in Europe” and consider if your hand rwringing is justified.  And read the UNHCR Convention and the 1967 Protocol and consider whether the signatories are now being blackmailed into being unable tohave a say as to who is accepted into Australia.

    • Press says:

      08:36am | 16/07/10

      Err…not quite. While the First Fleet, Second and Third Fleets did have a majority of convicts, the early NSW population included a large group of mainly Naval and Army staff and enlisted men running the whole shebang. And some of them had brought their families with them! Within 5 years, free settlers were arriving.

    • Zac says:

      08:38am | 16/07/10

      Now, Bolt knows he can’t just throw these figures around without qualifying them – anyone who can read should know that some people are more likely to end up in trouble because they are born into appalling socio-economic conditions;>>>>>

      Tory, it is well and good to sit on that ideological high and blame Bolt of many faults, now can you apply the same standards you to be apply to Bolt and qualify your claims? Do you realise many terrorists are well qualified? I think a year The Australian published an article which went to prove most terrorists are well qualified, , many were engineers, medical doctors and some had PHD’s. Well, with your line of thinking - some people are more likely to end up in trouble because they are born into appalling socio-economic conditions - many Sri Lankan Tamils should be blowing up on a daily basis. I fail to see. I gather many Sri Lankan’s have used the opoortunity they got in Australia to be well educated and are an assest to society. If we take off the ideological lens for a moment can we honestly say the same thing about Muslims? I don’t think so.

      >>>We have more than 350,000 Muslims in Australia. Most of them are as horrified as any non-Muslim at terrorist attacks, at the way women are treated in some Muslim countries, at the anti-democratic sentiments of Hizb ut-Tahrir.>>>

      Again Tory, how do you know most of them are horrified? Based on what? Time to apply your own standards to your article, now can you qualify them? So you want us to trust your words and claims but not the supporting facts Mr. Bolt has listed in his column? We are NOT fools. For your info Tory, many Muslims don’t believe in a democracy because their allah doesn’t need a helping hand. From the research that appeared in The Australian 10%  of Indonesians support and fund terrorism on behalf of Islam. That is millions of Indonesian Muslims support violent jihad. I don’t ask people to trust me and is more than happy to support it with facts. Can you do the same Tory? The danger we have here is, you use a well read media to propagate your ideological beliefs, which will harm society and our nation.

    • Ben says:

      12:11pm | 16/07/10

      Well said, Zac

    • With eyes wide open... says:

      04:59pm | 16/07/10

      Spot on and well said Zac…...

    • Dr Michael Cejnar says:

      06:40pm | 16/07/10

      Well said Zac
      If people spout politically correct ideas, they never need to support thier argument - it is supported by a social concensus and everyone just nods. That is why so many lazy people do it - it is the easiest quickest thing to do and is guaranteed to win approval.

    • Jon says:

      09:12am | 17/07/10

      Well said, Zac, thank you.

    • Troy says:

      01:17pm | 17/07/10

      Bang!!!! Straight between the eyes. Well said Zac and well written.

    • Zac says:

      03:00pm | 18/07/10

      Thanks Folks! Let’s vehementaly oppose and reject leftist tags like “you are racist”, which is employed (to - conform the masses to media/academic industry, isolation and defeat)  curtail our freedom of thought and expression and stand up for what we believe in and what is benefical for our society not some socialist utopia.

    • Zac says:

      07:08pm | 19/07/10

      Dr Michael Cejnar,

      “If people spout politically correct ideas, they never need to support thier argument - it is supported by a social concensus and everyone just nods. That is why so many lazy people do it - it is the easiest quickest thing to do and is guaranteed to win approval.”

      I re-read your comment again today and thought it is very true. You only needed a few sentences to summarise Tory’s blog. This is probably one of the wisest observations I have read in a long time. For a person like me who is involved in social issues, it helps. Thanks.

    • Doh says:

      08:42am | 16/07/10

      Sad effort Tory.

      The fact is that no senior Australian Muslims or established Australian Muslims groups come out to condemn the actions of their feral fellows.  Not even the so called progressive young Muslims stand up to the transgressions of their Muslims brothers and sisters.

      It is not on.  Groups like Hizb ut-Tahrir should have been roundly criticized but we have just not seen it.  In fact, no one criticized it or even spoken about it apart from Andrew Bolt.  So he is in fact doing his job and putting other more left wing journalists to shame.

      Start reporting on the issues and stop going for the man, then you may actually contribute to the debate to address the issue.

      Oh and by the way, over 90% of Australians want to ban the burqa.

    • Eligius says:

      11:56am | 16/07/10

      How often did we hear Irish-Australians and Roman Catholic Australians condemn the IRA? Or German-Australians condemn the Baader-Meinhof Gang? Or Greek-Australians condemn Greek terrorist groups?

    • L. says:

      01:04pm | 16/07/10

      Eligius, the difference is the IRA didn’t claim to speak for all Irish. Baader Meinhoff didn’t claim to speak for all Germans….Islamic terrorists on the other hand DO claim to represent all Muslims. That is why moderate Muslims MUST speak up.

    • andy says:

      02:14pm | 16/07/10

      this is, simply, wrong.

    • Nicole says:

      04:40pm | 16/07/10

      Um, Doh hate to break it to you, but over 90% of Australians who watch Today Tonight want to ban the burqa. That’s like saying all Australians love Ray Martin because they voted for him to win a logie. It’s hardly representative of the population as a whole .

    • Pat says:

      08:45am | 16/07/10

      Racist is a term people who have no argument are forced to use in an attempt to win a debate. Sadly, only people of Anglo Saxon heritage run for cover when this term is thrown at them. The rest of the World are simply uneffected and many wear it as a badge of honour. Come to think of it, I cannot recall a person of Anglo Saxon descent branding any non white person a racist, despite hundreds of high profile opportunities when it is more than appropriate to use. Yet, somehow, those who usually stoop to use it, run. Now that I would think is a racist action.
      As for Bolt, well I wonder whether there has been a country to which Middle Eastern people of the Muslim faith have actually assimilated. I can think of none. Assimilation means interaction and blending in with their neighbours. I doubt whether forcing an expenditure of several $billion annually through increased security and police anti crime measures is an example of a group assimilating into a community.
      I would prefer they not join us in Australia as I want these monies being spent of equipment for health, better roads, educating our children, giving those who live here a better infrastructure across health, education, housing for our indigenous people as well as improve their life expectancy. This list is endless, yet we welcome people here and are forced to spend a massive amount of time and money dealing with the discretionary problems they bring with them. Not health, not education, not keen to start a new life. Nope, I used to be keen, now after the past ten years, I think I would prefer someone that is not so difficult. Afterall, we only have one life. By the way, how many Middle Eastern migrants are settled in Canberra? Perhaps this is a new racial based approach to resettlement.

    • Fred says:

      12:28pm | 16/07/10

      “Come to think of it, I cannot recall a person of Anglo Saxon descent branding any non white person a racist, despite hundreds of high profile opportunities when it is more than appropriate to use”

      Just because you can’t think of something… doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. I personally pull anybody up on racism regardless of their race, as I believe everyone else should too.  It’s not on, no matter where you’re from.

    • Ryan says:

      04:38pm | 16/07/10

      @Fred: and yet there aren’t people protesting in the streets due to racist laws in Africa, what do they call it, oh yes equity.. I see no one protesting the racist policies of taking farms away from white farmers, farms bought and paid for under the the current Zimbabwe reigieme, no I don’t see any of that.. I guess its just not fashionable enough!

    • Youngster says:

      08:47am | 16/07/10

      I wonder how many of those 350,000 “peace loving Muslims” were at the recent hate rally against Israel, calling for the destruction of the Jewish State? According to news reports up to 10,000.

    • Apostate says:

      08:47am | 16/07/10

      Tory, have you actually read the Quran?  Read it from back to front and then pontificate on people who follow that belief system.

    • AliceC says:

      09:05am | 16/07/10

      Have you read the Bible? Pretty scary stuff in there too, especially when a minority follow it word for word

    • Richard says:

      09:29am | 16/07/10

      I’ve read both AliceC: Jesus preaches love, forgiveness, tolerance, humility and peace. Mohommed advocates war against non-muslims and the repression of women.

    • Markus says:

      11:45am | 16/07/10

      AliceC
      The difference being that the Bible is not perceived by Christians (or Jewish for that matter) as the word of God as the Qu’ran is by Muslims.

      The minority who follow the Bible as the word of God are indeed an absolute minority. I cannot name a country in the world where Christian ‘law’ trumps that nation’s established code of law and (in most places) civil rights, whereas I could name multiple nations run under Sharia law and many more with a growing Muslim minority demanding Sharia law take precedence over civil law.

    • Dylan says:

      12:38pm | 16/07/10

      Markus, you’re wrong.  The vast majority of Christians believe the Bible is the word of God, as advocated by 2 Timothy 3:16.

      You’re right that it doesn’t ‘trump’ a nation’s code of laws, but please check your facts.

    • Markus says:

      01:56pm | 16/07/10

      Hi Dylan
      I appear to have deleted a portion of my initial post that referenced this.

      It was discussing that while there are mentions in the Bible that state otherwise (such as 2 Timothy stating that all scriptures are ‘breathed by God’), these are from books that are considered secondary to the 4 main Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

      Granted the entire book itself is subject to interpretation in parts, but I do not share your assertion that the majority of Christians consider the Bible to be the word of God. Unlike the Qu’ran, it just has not been written as such.

    • Ripa says:

      06:34pm | 16/07/10

      @AliceC The bible and the Torah have been revised many times, the Quran has never been revised, because Muslims believe it to be the word of God and man has no authority to change or modify it.

    • Richard says:

      08:48am | 16/07/10

      To be honest I like secular muslims, but they are shockingly conservative (like, worse than Tony Abbott…) I actually dated a muslim girl at college for a while, but we had to keep everything hush hush because if her father found out about her seeing a non-muslim he would have grown very angry. But regardless of that, my real problem is with Islamic fundamentalists. I mean, I don’t even like Christian fundamentalists, but Islamic fundamentalists are even worse, and it seems like there is more of them in the world. I really think we have to really support the secular sections of the population in places such as Iran, Pakistan and Indonesia, because to move forward as a whole, the human ‘race’ must leave intolerant doctrines and dogmas behind us.

    • Ziggy says:

      12:39pm | 17/07/10

      There’s no such thing as a secular Muslim. Either they are Muslims if they believe in Allah and all the other claptrap of Islam, or they are Atheists.You cannot follow a religion that demand a belief in a supreme being and not believe in that supreme being by being secular. And Islam is not a race - it’s just an irrational and unfounded belief in a mythical Skydaddy and denigrating this death cult to me is a badge of honour.

    • KD says:

      09:06am | 16/07/10

      I agree wholeheartedly with Andrew Bolt.  And I strongly disagree that Australians are racists.  We just want people who want to live here to accept our culture, rather than insisting WE change to suit their imported one(s), and to live by our society’s rules, just as we are expected to live by theirs even when merely visiting other, more culturally strict countries.  No one used to be offended by the age old adage “when in Rome ....”.  And what’s so wrong with that, after all?

    • RobJ says:

      12:11pm | 16/07/10

      “We just want people who want to live here to accept our culture, rather than insisting WE change to suit their imported one(s),”

      Can you cite examples? I understand that some may not want to assimilate, they might have good reasons, like they’re teetotallers or they don’t like gambling ;o) .. I have never experienced immigrants expecting me to assimilate to their way of life.. OK, I concede if the Wahhabists were in charge then they would force their culture/beliefs on me but so would Catholics or any other religious types if they got the chance, they don’t because we are a secular nation which guarantees freedom of religion, we don’t let religious types use the laws of the land to inflict their beliefs on others.. This is one of the reasons that Australia is a great place to live.

      So C’mon KD, give me some examples.

    • Dan The Man says:

      12:43pm | 16/07/10

      Oh give me a break KD, Australians are racist. we are selectively racist and are forever qualifying it with ‘I’m not racist but..” comments. And yet the funny thing is we owe what fledgling culture we have to the settlers and migrants from other countries who came here and breathed some life into what was otherwise a dumping ground for England’s uncouth convicts and criminals and the econimically destitute.  Our emerging culture in Australia is a direct result of migrant influence. Prior to this Australia had no real culture aside from the washed out, anally-retentive left-overs from Victorian England and the ‘cultural’ sweepings of five pound poms who bought with them Cornish pasties, a sense of entitlement, and not a hell of a lot else. So how about loosening the tie a bit?

    • ekb87 says:

      04:29pm | 16/07/10

      I’ll give you an example, RobJ.

      How about the “Mohammed cartoons”?

      Westerners are being threatened and attacked for exercising their rights to Freedom of Speech.

      Our own Australian media was too scared to publish the cartoons. 

      And “progressives” just weakly cave in, and waffle about “being polite”.  (Of course, if someone told them they couldn’t mock christians, they would scream blue murder…..)

      There are examples out there, RobJ, if you are willing to open your eyes.

    • hmm says:

      09:06am | 16/07/10

      Has Tory, or anyone read Nomad by Ayaan Hirsi Ali (or for that matter Infidel)?  I have read both and both are fantastic books describing in detail what it is really like being a Muslim.  First and foremost you are a Muslim, secondly you are Australian, American, British etc etc.  This is just one of their many problems.  I urge people to read these books before flying the racist flag.  When you are educated on both sides of the fence, as Hirsi Ali is, can you really made an educated comment about this ongoing debate.

    • Jon says:

      10:57am | 16/07/10

      Yes, Ayaan Hirsi Ali is one brave lady. I have seen some of her lectures on the Internet. Intelligent and concise.

    • Eligius says:

      12:06pm | 16/07/10

      Christianity is the same. You are a Christian first, then everything else is second.

    • Dylan says:

      12:40pm | 16/07/10

      The difference with Christianity, Eligius, is that Jesus commanded his disciples to abide by the laws of the Government - i.e., paying taxes in Mark 12:17

    • hmm says:

      12:44pm | 16/07/10

      Eligius, Christianity is NOT the same.  That is just ridiculous making that statement.  Christians consider their religion secondary to their country of allegiance.  Christians don’t believe Christianity overrules the law of the land.

    • Seano says:

      09:07am | 16/07/10

      Bolt “well researched”, you’re kidding? This is a bloke who once posted that climate change was bogus because he had met one bloke who claimed to have worked on the reef for 20 years and it hadn’t changed. Very scientific, very well researched and fairly typical of Bolt.

    • Pro-Andrew says:

      11:04am | 16/07/10

      Andrew Bolt has posted many dozens of referenced scientific refutations of global warming from diverse reputable sources. To claim that his position is based on “one bloke” is not very honest - but is quite typical of Bolt’s detractors.

    • s says:

      11:55am | 16/07/10

      Poor Seano, I bet you worried your head off over the Y2K Bug, too. Or are you too young to remember that particular scam?

    • Seano says:

      03:43pm | 16/07/10

      @Pro-Andrew: Where did I make that claim? I pointed out that in one particular post I read whilst slumming, he made the claim that global warming doesn’t exist based on one bloke. He might have done more research before or after (lets hope so it’s hard to do much less) but none of that was included, just the opinion of a bloke he’d met. Spin it how you like it’s not scientific and it’s not researched.

      @S - actually having worked in IT for 15 years and on numerous Y2K projects I can tell you that you do not have a single clue about what you are talking about. No Y2K was not going to be the end of the earth and yes there was a lot of overhype which just accentuated the let down when nothing major happened. But if it had not been for the masses amount of fixes many business would have ground to a halt as the systems crashed which would have had a flow on effect to jobs and the economy. As you have no idea about IT but are happy to rant about it, it’s likely you’re other opinions are taken with a grain of salt.

    • Joe says:

      05:18pm | 17/07/10

      You haven’t researched well yourself Seano if you think that is the extent of Bolt’s argument against AGW,

      I may not agree 100% with him but he always makes well researched points and reading his opinion pieces generally makes me better informed on the subject due to him perking my interest and me researching for myself.

      Might be time for you to take the blinkers off Seano and join the debate instead of blindly dismissing BoltA.

    • thatmosis says:

      09:10am | 16/07/10

      Its got to the point in this country if you state facts about our immigrants you are labeled a racist, if you disagree with anything that our immigrants do ie: burka, you are labelled a racist. Well crap to that. I dont give a rats who or where they come from but i do believe that if they decide to come to Australia then they should assimilate into the society thats here and not set up their own enclaves with their own laws that they think we should adopt. We are being taken over by do gooders bending over backwards to accomodate these people whilst our own society gets no say at all. Come to Australia and becomean Australian or go home, simple. If thats racist then so be it but thats how I and many others feel.

    • Fred says:

      12:32pm | 16/07/10

      That’s not racist.  But it would be, if you discriminated against the people you speak of, and let your opinions negatively effect how you treat people.  Which hopefully you don’t.

    • Marie says:

      09:11am | 16/07/10

      Australians are being stripped of our right to free speech.  I don’t believe Australians are “racist”. What a ridiculous, hateful label to slap on decent public commentators who report unease and unarguable statistics. 

      Calling people names of hate such as “racist” is an offensive, inaccurate cheap shot.  Australians mostly do not care about skin colour or background nationality, providing newcomers who wish to live here adopt the customs and harmonious values that enticed them to our shores in the first instance. 

      What if I don’t care for red hair ?  Would I be a “hairist”?  In Miss Gillard’s case she certainly should not be diverting her interviews with references to a “good day for redheads”, because her hair looks very GREY along the part-line.  Any political leader who dines out on the dyed colour of her hair, can be categorised as a hairist.  If I don’t care for a female Prime Minister who has dyed grey hair, does that make me a hairist mysoginist?

      Give us a break. 

      Commentators like Andrew Bolt are courageously concerned about preservation of Australian culture and behavioural standards.  We don’t want our beautiful country trashed by anyone, least of all by someone or groups who accept our generosity and then proceed to piddle on it. 

      We don’t want our culture disregarded and subjugated under the divisive, damaging and disrespectful banner of the experimental, fashionable and ultimately socially destructive multi-culturalism. 

      There is nothing uniting whatsoever about telling people that they are welcome to land in Australia and welcome to grow their previous cultures inside and alongside ours.  This idea insults a helpless host population, many of whom are sleeping on wet grass while those we know very little about are comfortably accommodated.

      The PC multi-cultural nonsense is a self-serving, vote-grasping, unnatural and trouble-making feel-good stupidity, and it began the unsocial, and damned dangerous hatreds we are seeing in Europe, and sadly in the UK where most readers here may have witnessed it for themselves.

      In joining any family, newcomers step into someone else’s space, someone else’s social, cultural and behavioural territory.  The Australian family must be respected at every level.  When in Saudi Arabia, we follow their customs and we certainly do not build church spires, or ram our religion down their necks.

      So to all the Andrew Bolts of this world, thank you.

    • Paul C says:

      10:38am | 16/07/10

      Marie, Australians (other than the press) have no “right to free speech”, at least not Constitutionally. This is Australia, not the USA.

      What is this “Australian culture” you claim Bolt is trying to preserve? Australia is a country of migrants: other than the Aborigines, ALL of us migrated here or are descended from migrants, so our “culture” is naturally comprised of many cultures from around the world. Other than multiculturalism and that of our Indigenous people, Australia has no identifiable culture (and don’t give me any of that crap about ‘a fair go’ and ‘mateship’ and ‘family values’).

      You say that “When in Saudi Arabia, we follow their customs and we certainly do not build church spires, or ram our religion down their necks.” True, but Saudi Arabia is a kingdom not a democracy, and now many Australians emigrate to Saudi Arabia for a better life? I do agree that people should not have religion rammed down their necks, but that applies whether the flavour is Islam, Christianity, or any other. Singling out Islam for aggressive ‘religioneering’ is conveniently short-sighted. Christian missionaries, anyone?

    • Fred says:

      12:34pm | 16/07/10

      Thank you, Paul C, for explaining what in my head was outrage at stupidity, in such an articulate (and not to mention nice) way.

    • The Ocker Aussie says:

      12:36pm | 16/07/10

      @ Paul C. When you said “Australia has no identifiable culture” I thought you must be complete and utter drongo.

      But then you trotted out the familiar “we’re all immigrants” line and I realised you were just another self-loathing lefty and laughed it off…

    • Tropsmurf says:

      02:16pm | 16/07/10

      Paul C
      The Aboriginals are migrants as well, just like the rest of us, they didn’t spontaneously develop in Australia, they walked here.
      Our culture is European based as the majority of us are descendants of European migrants. Also why is it that you believe Aboriginals have a culture but not the rest of us?

    • Peasant #3167 says:

      03:20pm | 16/07/10

      Paul, you are wrong, there is a difference between migrants and immigrants. The current wave are immigrants. People who to industrialize this country are migrants.

    • Marie says:

      03:50pm | 16/07/10

      I felt Miss Gillard’s reply to Kerry O’Brien soon after she and her union hack friends brutally deposed Rudd, “A good day for redheads, Kerry”  obsequious and ridiculous.  Her hair is NOT red, it is GREY.  The continual references to her dyed red hair are a trivial diversion. 

      Get it?

      And in considering suitability for high office, Miss Gillard’s astounding reply to a question from the floor on her assessment of the current, unseemly Keating/Hawke brawl:

      “...I’m enjoying it.”

      This lady is out of her depth and actually thinks that behaviour like we are seeing from the Hawke/Keating/D’Alpuget trio is funny. 

      I cannot imagine any leader of even limited substance who would possibly declare “enjoying” her two hierarchical (past) Labor Prime Minister colleagues engaging in such an ugly, ill-timed, egotistical wrangle over events long gone.

      Miss Gillard provided an unguarded insight into her personality from that unexpected question.

      Her reply should have been “Untimely, unedifying and ungracious.”

    • Charles says:

      09:17am | 16/07/10

      Andrew Bolt is right and much of what you write is wrong Tory.  Large parts of your article are also just projections of what you feel, as opposed to empirical evidence that that is actually how a large number of people view things.

      Calling people racist really is the last refuge of the scoundrel, and trying to bludgeon those with opposing views in this manner is quite poor form.

    • MIchael Newman says:

      10:48am | 16/07/10

      An intriguing twist on Samuel Johnson’s “Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel”...

      This subject evokes some passionate responses from a diverse range of people. Unfortunately passion, like fundamentalism, has a tendency to favour dogma instead of reason and people are often forced to align themselves with one of the two polarising schools of thought. This is unhelpful and it belies the fact that the solution to the problem most likely lies somewhere in the centre.

      And this is the crux of what Australia is all about - we are a moderate country with a wonderfully diverse background that has served us well over the years. Issues of assimilation have always existed whether it is the Mediterranean influx around the time of the Snowy Mountain Hydro Scheme, the Vietnamese arrivals of the 70’s and 80’s or indeed the settlement established by the Anglo population on 26 January 1788. By giving a little and trying to understand each others’ point of view we have created a country that thrives on the strengths that so many different cultures provide (albeit only recently in the case of the latter).

      Collectively our sum is greater than our individual parts but maintaining this cohesion takes open discussion and patience. Calling people racists when they try and engage in the debate is unhelpful but so is singling out individual religions, races and cultures who have as much of a right to enjoy this wonderful country as the rest of us.

      To conclude with some more borrowed words (this time from Harper Lee’s ‘To Kill a Mockingbird’), “You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view - until you climb into his skin and walk around in it”.

    • TheRealDave says:

      12:14pm | 16/07/10

      Mike, I was always of the opinion that Samuel Johnsons “Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel’ was the Quislings way of getting around a far more apt saying:

      “A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.”

      -John Stuart Mill

    • Michael says:

      09:18am | 16/07/10

      Tory,

      I think you completely missed the point of what Andrew was saying - he was not singling out Muslims or anyone else. He was following on from gillard’s statement that we should drop the PC stuff & have an open discussion… Yes, people do already, but Andrew’s article stated some very inconvenient facts and raised some very good points for Muslims to (hopefully) discuss. Personally, I doubt that many will, but the first step to fixing a problem is to accept you have a problem. My personal experience and my observations say that the muslim response is that WE have a problem, not them. Speaking for myself, damn straight we have a problem - massive religous and cultural intolerance in our society in unacceptable. From anyone. Catholics, Anglicans, black, white, green, blue or even, alah forbid, muslims! Yes, I said it! Muslims are intolerant, racist biggots. Perhaps a few individuals are not, but the church and community have a very real problem, and they are it! It’s not a racist statement on my part. It’s a frank and honest observation. I feel desperately offended by their racist and abusive, repeated hate crimes. I do not care if they do it in the name of religon or just because they are hate filled bastards - they are commiting hate crimes as a group - they distinguish themselves as that group, not me, not Andrew Bolt.

      Tory, I think you are being deliberately blind to the clear facts here. I do not hate or revile anyone for any reason but for their actions. I am not prejudiced, but we as a community, have standards and I see no issue with discussing and upholding these standards as Andrew has done.

    • dovif says:

      09:21am | 16/07/10

      When will people figure out that telling others to shut up does not solve the problem. Most of the problems in Europe and in Australia are caused and remains, because every time someone brings it up, they are called a racist.

      Discussion is what is needed, Australia is not a racist society, we have successfully integrated, the greeks and italians, the Chinese and Indians. So the issue is not racism.

      The issue which need to be address is a religious one, it is about whether Muslims are happy to assimilate into a mainly Christian society? The followers of Islam has had trouble fitting into the society of Europe and Australia. The question that need to be address is why, and whether they want to be part of a western society

    • Sarah says:

      09:27am | 16/07/10

      Good for him and as for you sorry you are deluded every time someone says the truth in this Country we are racists, rubbish, as a child of migrant parents I will stick up for this country with my last breathe and those that come here and think we owe them something well guess what I dont care what color, race, religion you are we all love it here and want to live in peace, if this is something you do not like then you are free to leave any time you want.  As for you Tony Shepard you do not speak for the rest of us. Saying the truth will never make us racists, we coped so much with the Indian Students due to those attacks, and guess what they are doing it to themselves they attack each other but no one gutless politician nor reporter has the guts to really report what is happening on our streets at night by them, so please excuse me while I quietly laugh up my sleeve at your attack on this Journalist.

    • Fred says:

      12:36pm | 16/07/10

      Exactly how does one ‘laugh up’ their sleeve

    • Julie Coker-Godson says:

      03:59pm | 16/07/10

      @Fred:  Stick your face to your sleeve and laugh up the sleeve. Got it?

    • Penny says:

      09:33am | 16/07/10

      I suppose you think anyone that comments on Gillards red hair is racist too Tory. After all, usually red haired people come from an Irish ancestry somewhere. It’s a wonder the Irish aren’t up in arms about the references to Gillards red hair. How racist? You are the only one feeding the racist impression of Australians that seems to infiltereate all our media. Maybe it’s time you looked at your own part that you play in all of this.

    • Nathan says:

      01:28pm | 16/07/10

      red and blond hair come from a recessive gene found in scandanavian peoples - celts originally were all dark haired. presumably one of Gillard’s ancestors was raped by a viking at some point.

    • Lorraine says:

      01:29pm | 16/07/10

      sorry Penny, red hair is predominately found in people of Scottish descent, not Irish! That is an incorrect stereotype.

    • Bob says:

      02:55pm | 16/07/10

      @ Lorraine,

      Sorry but red hair is a fairly common trait among all celts and there are a truckload of redheads in Ireland. Irish and Scots are effectively the same race.

    • mid says:

      09:49am | 16/07/10

      “He says in Australia, Muslims particularly are just not “right”. His evidence? Hizb ut-Tahrir and Sheikh Taj el-Din al Hilaly.”

      The funny part about that is that Bolt is not really all that different to them.

    • mike says:

      12:05pm | 16/07/10

      Oh come on now. Hilaly said that in cases of rape, the rape VICTIM should be jailed for life! Bolt would never say anything even remotely like that. You are being ridiculous.

    • T.Chong says:

      09:50am | 16/07/10

      AliceC9:05 - exactly.  So many are now such experts on what they have no idea about.
      Read the posts this am. folks. A lot of it is unbelievable .
      Claiming a whole sect are disloyal, treacherous, not part of “our “society.
      Bigots , who thru their own myopia, claim that no Muslim contributes to society, and others applaud.
      But its all in the name of free speech ? Yeah, sure.
      “Youngster “do you relise that yur story indicated 340,000 didnt attend ?
      Zac, did you figure out 90% didnt support terrorism ?
      Marie - what is it with the strange preoccupation with Gillards hair ?
      Grey at her age ? So what. ? Was Howards comb-over of any relavance?
      Classy stuff .
      Good going Tory.

    • Q says:

      02:50pm | 17/07/10

      You really should reply individually to specific comments so people know what you are talking about… and no, no one scrolls up to try and find the original post

    • Sam says:

      09:51am | 16/07/10

      Bolt’s reply to this post is one of the great pull-throughs I’ve read on this site.
      I reckon it took you half an hour to write your post, Tory and Ireckon Bolt spent the better half of a day on his column. Don’t get lazy.

    • Daniel says:

      09:56am | 16/07/10

      I cant believe anyone still reads the Bolts and the Piers in News Ltd? How people take them seriously when what they say is so contradictory. I have just read Piers stuff today in the Telegraph and he contradicts himself in so many places. How people take him as gospel is beyond me. It’s most likely these people that ring up talk back radio at 2AM.

    • 6c legs says:

      10:42am | 16/07/10

      Hey Daniel, me thinks that all those sad baskets have got home computers now - and Bolt’s their hero.

      Having worked in it I know that early morning (talk back) radio is possibly the scariest place in Oz.

    • Doh says:

      04:47pm | 16/07/10

      Sorry mate, they are amongst the most read columns in the country.

      Believe it or not, many people (outside your elitist intellectual cliques) are genuinely concerned about the issues Bolt, Akerman and the like raise.

      By the way, care to share Akerman’s contradictions or are you lazily satisfied with smearing the man without proof….

      The lazy left.

    • Daniel says:

      05:42pm | 16/07/10

      Ill happily smear the man like he does the Greens based on rubbish.

    • Arthurdad says:

      10:08am | 16/07/10

      Any statement that the lefties don’t like is racist.  Any statement the righties don’t like is PC bullshit.  It’s lonely here in the middle.

    • howy says:

      10:09am | 16/07/10

      Since the progressive-internationalists love to accuse normal people of being ‘racist’, could you please define racist for me - if you’re gonna accuse people of something we should know what you actually mean. Please define ‘racist’ for us? Go ahead….

    • Hamish says:

      10:11am | 16/07/10

      Tory, what are you arguing here? That it’s racist to use empirical evidence to make points? That Bolt is wrong? I don’t really understand. Your argument appears to be that Bolt is not wrong about certain migrant groups being more prone to committ crimes and cause trouble, but that it doesn’t matter ‘cos a bunch of other groups you don’t like much (Catholics - surprise, surprise and Jews - even bigger surprise) are just as bad.

      You then cite completely irrelevant examples of problems with these groups, especially Jews. How what the Israeli (not ‘Jewish’) government does in Gaza is relevant here clearly only you know. The Catholics as child molesters comment is just childish and undergraduate. You could have, like Bolt did, find evidence to support your assertion that Catholics are more likely to be child molesters, but you didn’t, because the evidence doesn’t exist.

      Tory, this is a lazy criticism at best.

    • Chewy says:

      10:14am | 16/07/10

      I thought Bolts piece was on the money. Its a shame the ellite PC crew (usually whites from white neighbourhoods) cant accept the simple fact that there are some cultures who are incompatable with mainstream Australian society.
      Bolt knows the old ’ disadvantaged socio economic background’ arguement doest wash and cant be a racist if he is stating facts like Indians and Chinese many of whom are often from ‘disadvantaged socio economic backgrounds’ are LESS likely to commit crimes. Sounds like they might be better migrants to consider who will cause less problems down the track and if that makes me a racist to take then so be it.

    • Bartholomew Barkeeper, Esq. says:

      10:24am | 16/07/10

      I admire Andrew Bolt simply because he has the courage to defy political correctness. I don’t always agree with him - and he goes too far at times. But don’t forget his audience it’s a tabloid newspaper.

      What a pleasant change he makes from all the self-loathing, left-wing, student-radical type rants that are published daily in the Fairfax press.  I’ve had a gutful of the tree-huggers, the socialist revolutionaries, the feminazis and union hacks that demonise the average Aussie systematically and relentlessly day in day out. Their neverending and vicious vilification of Australia’s Anglo community is quite nauseating. The left has had a free run for way too long in the halls of academia, the press and government.

      So, go the Bolta! You are a breath of fresh air.

    • Graham S says:

      10:26am | 16/07/10

      As for Tory’s simplistic article read Dr. Peter Hammond’s book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat. Islam is not a religion, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life.Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components of which the religious component is a beard for all of the other components.
      Islamisation begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges. As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving
      minority and not as a threat.This is the case in: United States—Muslim 0.6%  Australia—1.5% (Tory’s 350,000?)
      Canada—1.9%, China—1.8%,Italy—1.5%,Norway—1.8%
      At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytise from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and
      street gangs. This is happening in:Denmark—Muslim 2%, Germany 3.7%,United Kingdom 2.7% -( London Bus bombings, Airport car bomb)  Spain -Muslim 4% ( Madrid railway station bombing) Thailand 4.6%
      From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population, i.e. push for the introduction of halal food along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:France—Muslim 8%,Philippines—5% Sweden—5%, Switzerland—4.3%,The Netherlands—5.5%
      At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under ShariaLaw.
      The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world. When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam and results threats, such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Anybody recall the murder of Dutch filmmaker - Van Gough?  After reaching 20%, nations can expect jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Synagogues, such as in: Ethiopia—Muslim 32.8%, At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres,such as in:Bosnia—Muslim 40% Chad 53.1%, Lebanon -59.7% From 60%, nations experience persecution of non-believers including non-conforming Muslims, sporadic ethnic cleansing use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as Malaysia—Muslim 60.4%, After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad,as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced in Egypt—Muslim 90%, 98.7% Indonesia 86.1% ( Does Bali ring a bell??) Iran -98% Iraq 97%, Pakistan 97%, Palestine 99%, Syria 90%. 100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’—the Islamic House of Peace. Here there’s supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in: Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Somalia &Yemen;. Peace is never achieved as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and by killing less radical Muslims. Muslim populations such as France, ( Who have just BANNED the Burka) the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos which are 100% Muslim and live by Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter these ghettos.There are no non-Muslim religious facilities & Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend Madrasses, learn only the Koran & to associate with an infidel is a punishable crime.
      In certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate.Can a good Muslim be a good Australian? Theologically - no because his allegiance is to Allah ,Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256) Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day. Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews..Politically - no.Because he must submit to the mullahs who teach annihilation of Israel Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran4:34) Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the western lifestyle based on Biblical principles ( The Queen of Australia is head of The C o E) and he believes the Bible to be corrupt. Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression.. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic. We should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. -

    • T.Chong says:

      10:45am | 16/07/10

      Good going Graham.  Your piece does well to illustarate that fanatics and bigots can claim all types of talking points as facts.
      This is nothing more than unupportable nonsense, on so many different ways. Whats the point of even discussing anything with someone who cuts and pastes whole slabs of hate speech.
      Read a lot of FRONTPAGEMAG Do you?

    • Graham S says:

      12:54pm | 16/07/10

      Well T.Chong, having read a lot of your drivel over time your the last person to get all pouty & you may well care to investigate the facts as distinct from your emotional, baseless nonsense. Hate speech? Do your own investigation. Read the facts Fact: Intolerant Muslim fanatics have killed journalists, film-makers and threatened to kill Western authors because of the views on Islam that were expressed in tolerant, free speech, democratic societies in Denmark, Holland & The UK .Fact: France has banned the Burka.. ask yourself why”. .
      An anti Muslim political party in Denmark recently won a swag of seats and will from a coaltion such is the anger in Denmark concerning Muslim attitudes in that country
      Every Muslim country is run by Autocrats or Dictators disguised as “The Royal Family”, Maybe you would care to name me one majority Muslim country that isn’t.. London bombings, Madrid bombing, Bali bombings, Jakarta bombings, Chechnya primary school murders, Moscow theatre bombing, Fort Hood Texas, 13 killed in the name of Allah, Thai-Malay border murders, Phillipine terrorism Mindano Island, the list gets longer. Name one Muslim country that is tolerant, respects human rights, particularly of women and allows freedom of religious expression. Maybe T.Chong when you get contrary advice from your happy go lucky friends in The Taliban, Saudi or Yeman you can let us all know but until then post a reply based on fact.

    • Fred says:

      01:48pm | 16/07/10

      @ Graham S - “Every Muslim country is run by Autocrats or Dictators disguised as “The Royal Family”, Maybe you would care to name me one majority Muslim country that isn’t”

      Indonesia.

      And while I don’t wholeheartedly disagree with your comments, my fear is that you generalise all Muslims to be this way.  I hope you don’t.

    • David says:

      01:27pm | 17/07/10

      It is quite alarming to see Australians shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic.  Some arguing that Islam is dangerous for this Country and others arguing that it isn’t.  Unfortunately, it is too late for discussion.  The threat is quite real and is here.  I am an Iraqi Christian and I have seen first hand the evil of Islam.  Misinformed and inexperienced people like T. Chong are maybe well intentioned but are very wrong about Moslems.  Christians have been slaughtered in Iraq for 1400 years and are still persecuted today.  We are told to leave Iraq because we are not Moslem and are considered “najjis” or unclean.  We are considered filth because we do not believe in their religion.  In recent history we have seen the genocide of over 750,000 Assyrian Iraqis at the hands of the Ottoman Empire in 1914.  Our only crime was that we were Christian.  Today we are kidnapped, raped, murdered, threatened and forced to convert.  All this in the name of Islam.  We have left the homeland we have inhabited for over 6500 years in droves in search of safety and security.  Not because Iraq was a bad country but because the moslems have continually discriminated against us and killed us.  Now we are here in this beautiful Country living and working and contributing to the advancement of Australia.  However, the Australia we are living in now is far different to the one we knew 20 years ago.  The patterns we saw in Iraq are starting here and across a lot of Western society.  Give the islamists a chance and they start changing the country that adopts them.  They have no love for this country because they do not respect its democratic law.  Only Allahs law is acceptable to them.  It is incumbent upon them to sabotage that country until Allah’s law is the only law of the land.  This Sharia Law brings hatred, racism, misogyny and finally genocide.  The Koran mandates this.  The mainstream moslem though not a direct threat at the moment will passively keep quiet while the country goes forward to Sharia.  Bit by bit they too will become radicalised as they see that they have more and more power.  This is the future for Australia.  Radicals will become more radical and moderates will become radicals.  Once this happens, the non-moslems will be threatened more and more till they either submit or fight back.  Unfortunately, the Assyrians of Iraq were persecuted for 1400 years and were too weak to fight back and they are now a homeless and dwindling population.  What will Australians do?

    • James says:

      02:56pm | 17/07/10

      David (1:27pm) - As a Christian you have absolutely no moral right to criticise other religions.

    • jamie says:

      10:29am | 16/07/10

      After living in Camberwell, London, and having to travel through Brixton every day for work, I fully concur with Bolt’s opinions.

      I also think that you’ve taken an easy option here Tory by simply calling ‘racist’. Having said that, it does get the topic out in the open more which hopefully will lead to intelligent discussion on what is a genuine issue and as such needs to be addressed.

    • Apostate says:

      10:30am | 16/07/10

      Correct.  The Bible is not the best read but the Quran is far worse.  I’m sure many of these commentators haven’t even read either from front to back or from back to front.  It’s good research so have a go before defending Islam or even Christianity or any other book man made.

    • Jon says:

      11:08am | 16/07/10

      This also applies to the Quran.

      “Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived.” Isaac Asimov

    • Jon says:

      10:31am | 16/07/10

      Most Australians have legitimate concerns about Islam, which by its dogma makes it hard for its followers to be moderate or secular. That’s not say that there are not moderate followers such as the Sufi’s or even secular believers, however they seemed to very small and of no influence or are under the threat of violence. All religious are dangerous but Islam has shown to be the most dangerous to secular society, even more than some in the American Christian right. I don’t know why this has to be stated time and time again, but religion is not a race, there are plenty of weak-minded white Anglo coverts.

      HIZB ut-Tahrir that was recently welcomed to Sydney wants a one-stop shop, for this violent delusion to which submission is political, as well as religious. Islam demands that kafirs submit in every aspect of public life.  Every part of kafir culture is an offense to Allah. Why people refuse to see it as a danger to Western Secular society defies logical thought. I think our Political leaders seem to be asleep at wheel or are just too scared or PC to buy into this issue.

      The most worry aspect of this movement is the support that these Islamist’s are getting from the fools in some parts of the socialist left and Universities.  Some think that they can use Islam to destroy capitalism. The only thing that will be destroyed is socialism. Why rational minds would buy into religious dogma, as some kind of fashion in Universities does not speak well of some of those so-called intelligent institutions.

      What humanity needs, is freedom from religion and not respect for it. One way to counter this absurdity is by robust rational debate and humor, (free speech)

      “Against the assault of laughter nothing can stand”—Mark Twain

    • Apostate says:

      10:32am | 16/07/10

      All religion is a brainwashing process for people who are unable to think for themselves.  Both the Bible and Quran are just very holey books.

    • The Querant says:

      10:37am | 16/07/10

      Most of these comentators are Realists NOT Racists and don’t wear rose coloured glasses nor suffer over tolerance.  A question - why should Australians be tolerant to the people who come here with intolerant belief systems and who cannot or will not assimilate.  Yet, because of the outdated UNHCR Convention and 1967 Protocol, Australia is unable to ‘discriminate’ when many of the refugees and asylum seekers do just that????

    • Anjuli says:

      10:45am | 16/07/10

      @Apostate ,you are so right it is a form of control and it is a sure way way of making an easy living. You don’t have to follow a specified religion to believe in God or a supreme being, wasn’t both Bible and Quoran written by men.

    • Desert Fox says:

      10:47am | 16/07/10

      Tory, when is the last time anyone boarded a plane worried that it might be attacked by Christian/Buddhist/Hare Krishna terrorists? 

      Also, why are Muslim nations so intolerant of other religions? 

      Enough said.

    • Tropsmurf says:

      10:51am | 16/07/10

      I won’t bother repeating all the valid criticisms of this article Tory. Obviously serious journalism requires too much work for you (ie how about checking the statistics yourself) stick to the fluff pieces

    • Rae34Crosby says:

      10:52am | 16/07/10

      I guess that to receive the loan from banks you ought to have a great motivation. But, one time I’ve received a short term loan, just because I was willing to buy a building.

    • Greenhoax says:

      10:59am | 16/07/10

      Hey Tory,

      “The expletive is the refuge of the semi-literate”
      Oscar Wilde

    • matt says:

      11:05am | 16/07/10

      Reading these posts makes me feel very sad for my country, which I believe still is a tolerant one.

      Just as there are a tiny minority of Muslims who are, or support terrorism (go to Boston in the 80s and you;d find the same proportion, or more, of Irish Catholics who did the same), so too do we have a tiny proportion of Australians who are bigoted, uneducated and just plain mean to others.

      Most of them, it appears, also have an internet connection and like to use it.

      Take a long, honest look inside your dark hearts people.

    • AdamC says:

      11:55am | 16/07/10

      Matt, give me a break. Australia’s immigration system shouldn’t be - and, thankfully, largely isn’t - operated as a device to make you feel better about yourself.

      And Australia is a very tolerant country, but that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t exercise control over its immigration programme in the national interest.

    • Pat says:

      12:04pm | 16/07/10

      Speak for yourself, Matt. Your hatred of most of your felow Australians reveals a dark heart of your own.

    • BobM says:

      12:36pm | 16/07/10

      @matt - ‘so too do we have a tiny proportion of Australians who are bigoted, uneducated and just plain mean to others.’  Yes, but they don’t blow innocent people up.

    • Hach says:

      02:02pm | 16/07/10

      “go to Boston in the 80s and you;d find the same proportion, or more, of Irish Catholics who did the same”

      OK Matt, that’s great advice. Just “go to Boston in the 80s” (?) and everything will work itself out…

      As long as we close our eyes and live in the past, I’m sure everything will turn out just fine. I’ll give that advice to my relatives in Tel-Aviv next time I see them.

    • Fred says:

      02:03pm | 16/07/10

      @ BobM - that is exactly the problem with comments like yours - I don’t know if you realise, but you sound as though you are relating the minority that are terrorists to every other person that is Muslim.  You simply cannot do that, it’s just illogical.  Here’s one for you - every Catholic priest is a child molester.  Ummm, I heard a white guy make a racist comment the other day - all white men are racist.  Get it?

    • Bulmkt says:

      11:54am | 16/07/10

      Andrew is right and Tory you’re wrong.

    • ALEXANDER says:

      12:09pm | 16/07/10

      Why do we tolerate that which is intolerable of others? Islam, Christianity and Judaism, the Abrahamic religions do not tolerate other religions. Their belief is exclusive and if you’re not part of their “team” you’re a heathen and going to hell. Their respective scriptures explicitly teach this. Is it not an impossible contradiction for a tolerant society to attempt to tolerate those who by their “religious beliefs” are instructed not to tolerate different religious beliefs? Those who say I don’t force my belief on you, still according to their religious text rule book think less of you as a heathen and you’re going to hell. Penalties prescribed include stone homos, adulterers etc - is this not inciting hatred under the Criminal Code?

    • Hach says:

      02:07pm | 16/07/10

      I can assure you that Judaism is perfectly “tolerant” of all other religions. As a small minority religion for the last 2000 years, it has no interest in changing anyone else’s attitudes. Even according to Jewish scriptures (which are in fact devoutly followed by hardly anyone) there is no provision for Christians, Muslims or atheists to go to hell for their beliefs. Perhaps you could quote chapter and verse of the “religious text rule book” you are using?

      “is this not inciting hatred under the Criminal Code”
      Yes, I’m sure it is, so what do you want to do, prosecute Moses? Then dig up Shakespeare and sue him for misrepresenting the Scots?

    • Wally says:

      12:16pm | 16/07/10

      Please God, or Allah, whichever way you spell the term for an invention of man, if you truly existed just explain to me why you have two voices? One that says “peace and goodwill to all men” or the second that says “kill al infidels”?  Also please explain how some are called racist because they are decent caring human beings who can’t understand the “kill all infidels” doctrine. Isn’t it the other way around? Isn’t it the ones who want to exterminate others the true racists? If above there is a truly gracious God then wouldn’t he prefer that the exterminators be exterminated. As it would appear that God is man’s invention isn’t it man’s survival instinct that must ensure the survival of his species by exterminating the exterminators? Anyway, since when was Islam a race? Can anyone tell me where is the birthplace of humans called Islamics?

    • RobJ says:

      12:23pm | 16/07/10

      What amazes me is racists being offended at being called ‘racists’, if they weren’t so ignorant and were a bit more honest then they’d be ashamed rather than offended.

      matt wrote:

      “Most of them, it appears, also have an internet connection and like to use it.”

      LOL

      And

      “Take a long, honest look inside your dark hearts people”

      I agree and it’s pretty much what I’m saying, I don’t call people racists because I’ve got no retort, I call it how I see it and as I see it there isn’t much point in debating a racist who’s in denial…

    • Hamish says:

      01:10pm | 16/07/10

      RobJ, frankly I couldn’t care less if you think I’m a racist, but why not debate the actual points. Do you think we should have high immigration intakes from countries where there is a demonstrated propensity amongst existing migrants to commit crime? I know it’s more fun to sloganeer and talk about Australia’s ‘inherent’ racism and other assorted sound-bites which are not based on any form of research probably because any research would find them to be demonstrably false, but give it a shot.

      Andrew Bolt was simply pointing out that reasonable debate about immigration is largely impossible in a society desperate to censor itself because of people like you, RobJ.

    • Fred says:

      02:06pm | 16/07/10

      @ Hamish - do you know the migration levels that you speak of? The “high immigration intakes”? Because I don’t think they’re actually that high. 

      You said “Andrew Bolt was simply pointing out that reasonable debate about immigration is largely impossible in a society desperate to censor itself…”

      I don’t believe he was doing this.  If he wanted to, he could have done so without using the statistics he used, he’s smart and articulate enough to do so.  He could even have used his response to Tory’s article and that would have been better.

    • frank robb says:

      12:33pm | 16/07/10

      “The biggest problem with Bolt’s argument is not that he blithely disregards the contribution that Muslims have made to Australia, and the world”

      ok shepherd, or anybody, please name five things

    • Fred says:

      01:54pm | 16/07/10

      Nobody is asking you to justify your existence in this country.  If you had any Muslim friends you wouldn’t be asking that.  Ignorance: just because you don’t know something doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

    • rech says:

      01:57pm | 16/07/10

      I’ve spent lots of time in the Gulf and in North Africa and think that Muslims have provided us with all kinds of good things. I loved the food, the mint tea, the tagines, the music, the architecture…especially in Morocco, one of my favourite destinations in the world. However I don’t see anything incorrect in what Andrew wrote and the many achievements of Muslims don’t mean valid concerns can’t be raised.

    • IMHO says:

      12:37pm | 16/07/10

      Yeah…...no.

      If you genuinely believe that people of other races, colours and ethnicities are less human than yourself and should not enjoy the same rights to respect and peace as you, then you are certainly racist.

      Let’s have no more calling each other “racist” when discussing religion and culture. These areas are, and should be, open for discussion in any tolerant society.

      Just sayin….

    • Peter says:

      01:22pm | 16/07/10

      IMHO, what you are describing is probably the most extreme form of racism - the Mein Kampf type, if you will.  That does not mean there are not other versions.  Racism exists across a spectrum, don’t you think?  And racism is really just a form of intolerance, anyway - you can equally be intolerant of others on the basis of religion, culture, sex etc.  Sometimes we lump cultural and religious intolerance under the heading ‘racist’ because they are so closely related and amount to pretty much the same thing anyway: an intolerance of others which gives rise to discrimation against them and, ultimately if not checked, persecution.  Remember: Hitler didn’t just persecute Jews, he also went after a whole raft of others including gays, the disabled, Jehovah Witnesses, Catholics, Slavs etc.  The enemy is intolerance and Bolt is clearly a racist in that context.

    • Environ says:

      02:13pm | 16/07/10

      And the award for ‘Best Comment’ goes to IMHO.
      Exactly what I was thinking!
      It really annoeys me when people don’t look through other perspectives… more than half of these comments prove that the majority of Westerners do not go out for themselves and form their own opinions. Instead they believe every word the media conjures up and the stereotypes it provides for all races.

      Every religion has fanatics to which they only make up the minority. Everyone interprets things differently, no one has control over that. The people who want to get rid of Muslims or any group should go and research first then re-evaluate their thoughts. As long you know the 3 sides to the story (yours, theirs and the unbiased facts).

    • Markus says:

      02:27pm | 16/07/10

      Finally, someone who admits they incorrectly use the term racist in situations that have nothing to do with race in order to denigrate a person’s opinion!

      I thank you for your honesty, Peter. I just wish everyone else who does it had the guts to admit it as well.

    • Peter says:

      03:36pm | 16/07/10

      Markus, racial discrimination includes ethnic discrimination, which includes things like heritage as opposed to simply genetics.  In the eyes of the law you are a racist whether you discriminate against someone because of their genetic lineage or their cultural or religious background.  Same difference.

    • Eric says:

      05:53pm | 17/07/10

      Peter, that just shows that the law is an ass.

      Never mind the law, let’s talk about reality.

    • acker says:

      12:48pm | 16/07/10

      This day and age of civil liberties, Adolf Hitler would probably find a willing media and social conscious group to champion his rights and defend his rights to exercise his beliefs…

    • Macca says:

      04:12pm | 16/07/10

      The Greens would support his rights, and the Nationals could support his beliefs.

      ... and we’d end up with a Labour / Liberal Coalition. OH GOD!

    • nic says:

      01:27pm | 16/07/10

      Actually, the context of Bolt’s article was Gillard’s suggestion about the ‘right sort of migrants’. To be fair to Bolt, he is talking about published research conducted by different groups worldwide. Possibly the facts are distasteful, though better than generalisations not backed by any research such as “I know the other 350,000 muslims are horrified”.

    • Matt says:

      01:27pm | 16/07/10

      “We have more than 350,000 Muslims in Australia. Most of them are as horrified as any non-Muslim at terrorist attacks, at the way women are treated in some Muslim countries, at the anti-democratic sentiments of Hizb ut-Tahrir.”

      How can you claim to speak for most of the Muslims in Australia, Tory?
      This idea gets said all the time, but none of the people who say it are Muslims.

      Where did it originate from? It has the same validity as saying most Anglo Australians are horrified by the injustices faced by Indigenous Australians. It sounds true, we want it to be true, doesn’t make it true. Just speak to anyone who has had their car stolen by an Indigenous Australian and you will hear their real views.

      Then speak to a Muslim who has emigrated from a war torn country, who has lost friends and or family members in US air strikes and see if they are as outraged by suicide bombers as you want them to be.

    • James Cushing says:

      01:55pm | 16/07/10

      “some people are more likely to be jailed than your average Anglo for exactly the same crime”

      Tory, can you cite any example or evidence from Australia to support this statement? You are saying our legal system currently discriminates against non-anglos. Evidence?

    • Martin says:

      01:57pm | 16/07/10

      “anyone who can read should know that some people are more likely to end up in trouble because they are born into appalling socio-economic conditions” People are illiterate if they don’t agree with Determinism?

    • Robert S McCormick says:

      02:18pm | 16/07/10

      I wrote a letter to our local paper in response to one of those “I’m all for refugees coming here but why can’t Middle easter Muslims go to other Middle easter Muslim countries?” letters. I received a charming abusive telephone call from some gutless ratbag who refused to give his name. This moron’s constant cry was “ALL @#$%&*^Muslims are Terrorists”. He also claimed to be a “good, church-going Christian” I was unable to get a word in to refute his garbage!
      What do Terrorists & Paedophiles have in common? Lots
      They come from all levels of society, genders, all religions, all races & all nations.
      Reports tell us their numbers, though fluctuating, are very similar throughout the world
      They all re-offend when released
      They are detested by all decent people wheresoever they come from.
      When they are caught, charged, found, or plead, guilty they should all get the same prison sentence: Prison for the rest of their lives.
      Sentences should be mandatory. No Parole. No time off for “Good behaviour” This latter is one of the best oxymorons I have ever come across for what chance does a criminal have to commit his crimes when locked up?
      There are ignorant, stupid people both here & overseas. They are the one’s who try to make out, or indeed categorically state, that “All Muslims are terrorists” This we know to be a total nonsense.
      Given that, in Australia at least, most paedophiles are either members of religious organisations or when they come to trial the accused produces “Character Witnesses” who claim that, along with the accused, they are “Good, Church-going Christians”,
      Stupid ignorant people, just like those who claim to hate Muslms ( they have probably never met one)  could be forgiven if they claimed that “All Christians are paedophiles”. We know that is a nonsense.
      Unfortunately it is people like Andrew Bolt who stir up hatred with their twisting of the facts or combining events or statistics from overseas to justify his hatred.

    • irfan says:

      02:18pm | 16/07/10

      There is one thing wrong with Andrew Bolt’s article. He forgot to say that all Muslims is that they suffer from mental deficiencies because they all marry their cousins. It’s a true statement. How do I know it’s true? Because the great Sheik Rupert bin Murdoch said it. And Rupert butters Andrew’s bread.

    • acotrel says:

      02:21pm | 16/07/10

      I’ve noticed some of the anti-democracy comments made by muslims - what is that about?  Do they really believe that we Australians will give up our democratic rights after so many Australian soldiers fought and died for them in two world wars?

    • Beagle says:

      02:37pm | 16/07/10

      Because a poster says he is a muslim doesn’t make it so and suggests you believe everything you read, hear or see in the media. 

      This might explain an attraction to Andrew Dolt.

      In case you haven’t noticed, civil liberties or democratic rights (whatever those are because Australia doesn’t have a bill of rights) have been disappearing at an ever quickening rate. You might want to point your browser at a West Australian “news” site to see how far the police, police minister and district attorney have already eroded these “rights”

    • Mikeymike says:

      02:23pm | 16/07/10

      Tory, you haven’t bothered to fact check Andrew’s facts, yet you’re quite happy to throw around your own assertions without any kind of factual or statistical backup?
      Namely:
      - Andrew has legions of racist fans
      - Most Muslims are horrified by terrorism, women’s treatment in Islam and Hizb ut-Tahrir
      - That inherent racism ostracises minorities in Europe.

      Sources?  Or are these assertions without references?  That would make it opinion, wouldn’t it?

      And then there are the flat out lies and distortions:
      - That Sheikh Taj el-Din al Hilaly is not representative of Muslims (or was it done sneakily, using the phrase “as though…”?) - He is the Imam of Lakemba Mosque, the biggest in Australia and appointed by the Lebanese Moslem Association of Australia.  Isn’t he a representative?  In much the same way as George Pell is representative of Catholics in Australia?

      - That “He says in Australia, Muslims particularly are just not “right”.  Where?  Where in his article does he say that?  I have read and re-read the entire article and what he actually says is “A significant minority of our 340,000 Muslims seem not only unable to fully assimilate, but unwilling.”  Tory, you have suggested that, by using quotes, you are directly quoting from Andrew’s article, which is actually a direct contradiction of his actual words.

      I could go on.  But these examples should suffice to display your dishonesty and hypocrisy.

    • Randal says:

      02:26pm | 16/07/10

      Tory was it not your Prime Minister who opened the door on this conversation and asked for a contribution from all Australian’s regarding the future make up of population, without the traditional barb throwing and accusations of racism… Is this not exactly what Andrew has done??

      Yet you have fallen straight into the invoking the “R…” word without so much as a blink, surely that is spitting in the eye of your much beloved Julia.

      Worse still you have completely misrepresented what Andrew Bolt was saying, his point, and usual a good one is simple, if we are going to have a debate about the type of immigrants we want in this nation, as espoused by our Prime Minister, then this debate should be warts and all.

      So as part of this process we should assess the successful migration stories and the unsuccessful migration stories, this does not mean that we cease immigration from this sector, more that we look at why they are having difficulties assimilating, from all sides of the perspective, including how we view ourselves as a nation.

      There is no racism in these words, only questions that Bolt poses and facts to ignite the discussion and it is you Tory who has approached this from a closed minded objective and instead vilified Catholics, Christians and Jews without a fact to support your assertions.

      I think Tory it is you that needs to open your mind and at least attempt to make a positive impact upon these discussions without resorting to the predictable stereotyping of the left.

    • N says:

      02:57pm | 16/07/10

      “that some people are more likely to be jailed than your average Anglo for exactly the same crime”

      Liar. You lose, due to sheer credibility deficiency.

    • Pedro says:

      03:28pm | 16/07/10

      Oh dear, Tory. You’ll have to sharpen your ideas up a bit, it seems. These knee-jerk, tired and lazy old assertions and the pee-weak logic wrapped up in the usual denunciation “they’re racists” doesn’t seem to cower the plebs these days. As many, if not more, of your readers agree with Bolt. But I suppose you think most Australians are “racist” even on an ABC site. You should see the problem here: if most of us are what you call racist, and we live in a democratic society, then we should have a government that reflects that racism. Or do you agree with Hizb ut-tahrir that we should rid ourselves of democracy? Like them, do you believe you know better than everyone else?

    • Pedro says:

      03:52pm | 16/07/10

      Sorry.Not an ABC site. Ignore my post, thanks.

    • Andrew says:

      04:19pm | 16/07/10

      Andrew Bolt has many negative things to say about some migrant groups to Australia such as they have high levels unemployment and so forth. What Bolt fails to recognise is that the disadvantage caused by the racist White Australia Policy (only abolished by the Whitlam Government) still lingers within Australian society. Bolt talks about conforming to Australian society as though multiculturalism has been abolished and it was back to the old days of assimilation and integration. WHAT AN IDIOT. We as a nation have moved on since the dark old days. Guess he blames Aboriginal Australians for statistically having higher unemployment and higher levels of incarceration, forget the brutality of stolen generations of even the fact that the constitution had to be changed in 1967 through a referendum to allow Aboriginals to be recognised as citizens. Bolt seems to believe that true Australian culture is some kind of European centred Anglo Celtic culture when it is not this at all. Australia is made up of many different cultures, religious and political beliefs all blending together to form a better society. Bolt talks about the unwillingness and inability to conform. Does this apply to Aboriginal people on Native title land living as close to an Indigenous lifestyle as they can? Just because somebody believes in a different political structure does not believe that they are ‘lees Australian than anyone else. Bolt is probably unaware that Menzies tried to ban the Communist Party in Australia but failed in two referendums. Bolts continual attacks on Muslims in Australia who are a small minority are outrages. Muslims have contributed a great deal to Australia starting with the Afghan Cameleers 1860’s-1930’s but Bolts racism and ignorance probably means that he is unaware of this fact. Muslim arrival in Australia predates European arrival and Muslim Indonesian sailors, Macassens peacefully traded with Aboriginal Australians for the Trepang sea cucumbers found in the Northern parts of Australia. Macassen Muslims and Aboriginal Australians also intermarried. Bolt much like the former white Australia policy is a white supremacist tool. Remember what happened in Germany WW2, Rwanda 1994, Cambodia 1975, Bosnia 1992 when journalists start whipping up national animosity against an ethnic or religious atrocity. A large majority of Muslim people living in Australia are law abiding citizens caring about their Australian community more than Bolt will ever know doctors, dentists, teachers, cleaners, cooks, students ect There are even Muslim people living in Australia that can date their ancestry back to the first fleet. By demonising groups of people without taking into account extenuating circumstances such as socioeconomic disadvantage, language barriers, refugees who may have fled a civil war, discrimination ect a simplistic view of issues is expressed where quantitative data can be misleading without qualitative data. For a balanced piece minority groups must be interview and given a voice. For the record a large number of Indian and Chinese people are Muslim. In the case of Indian Muslims many have migrated to Australia. Bolt states that Indian and Chinese migrants have lower rates of incarceration without acknowledging that many especially in the case of Indian migrants are Muslim and therefore severely contradicts himself in his article.

    • Randal says:

      05:00pm | 16/07/10

      Never have so many words said so little Andrew!

    • Macca says:

      04:20pm | 16/07/10

      Ok, I’ve had a long hard think about this because (as Tory mentioned) it is Andrew Bolt’s nature to be provocative and some of the things he says I am not entirely comfortable with. I also think his views more closely represent that of middle Australia than Tory’s.

      So, I actually don’t give a shit where you come from if you wish to live in Australia. I don’t care how you got here, I don’t give a stuff about the colour of your skin and I don’t care who your God is. 

      However, I expect that you will:
      - give something back to this Country (i.e be employable),
      - attempt to learn English (just give it a try, our Grammar is atrocious, so just throw a few F bombs in there and you’ll get by),
      - abide by the countries laws,
      - that you should tolerate others beliefs and opinions (albeit this sometimes fails to occur even on this Site), and
      - you will attend one domestic football event for your adopted local team every season, regardless of your chosen code.

    • Aero says:

      05:04pm | 17/07/10

      lol Macca, I’m Australian born and I don’t even do the last one. What’cha gonna do (see, I’m practicing my terrible grammar!)? Kick me out of the country???

    • macca says:

      09:07am | 19/07/10

      @Aero, the last one was clearly a joke…
      as for the Grammar, Australian Colloquilisms make up so much of our language, thats the point, don’t try to learn perfect English, just pick it up as you go along. For example, the little Asian man who runs my local corner store has started saying “Cheers” instead of “you’re welcome”. I personally find this quite charming and am more likely to pop into his place for some milk than to Coles on the way home as a result.
      If that makes me a bogan redneck, as yourself if you would attend his store too if he only spoke his first language.

    • Brov says:

      04:39pm | 16/07/10

      Once,just once I would like to see some journo or any journo justify these sorts of sweeping statements :“We have more than 350,000 Muslims in Australia. Most of them are as horrified as any non-Muslim at terrorist attacks, at the way women are treated in some Muslim countries, at the anti-democratic sentiments of Hizb ut-Tahrir.” How do you know this?
      It’s ok for Tory to salivate about legions of racist Australians,but of course the vast majority of muslims are always well assimilated champions of Australia and Australian values.Tory,I don’t give a rodents backside about accusations of racism.I look overseas to Europe and can plainly see that muslim immigration into any modern western democracy is a catastrophe.
      Read Sayyid Qutb ; “A Muslim has no nationality except his belief”.
      A secular society will never be tolerated by muslims.

    • stephen says:

      12:17pm | 17/07/10

      Religion, in this country,  is going out of style, so what’s those gals in black cover-ups gonna do with all that cotton ?

    • John says:

      01:21pm | 17/07/10

      Tory, you need to wake up to yourself. Political correctness has stuffed this country. Everyone knows you only have to look sideways at someone to be branded a racist. Bolt is spot on. Politicians are too gutless to step on the radicals.

    • Vivienne says:

      03:03pm | 17/07/10

      “Racism” is about considering one ethnic group or nationals are intrinsically superior to another.  It is not about statistics.  There are too many so-called “racist” accusations flying about, and it is mostly about political control to stop debate on immigration.  This data probably tells us more about our disjointed and fragmented society, pushed to grow at a pace faster than our social cohesion or social capital can cope with.  We hear so much about how wonderful the ideals of multiculturalism are, but they are limited by us humans who fail to embrace it fully, and the costs to our infrastructure in coping with the “shortages” that population growth brings.

    • Jack says:

      04:59pm | 17/07/10

      Nothing new, Andrew is a racist,I know him for a very long time and he never tried to hide it.
      I don’t know what is the big deal.

    • Peter Simmons says:

      09:21pm | 17/07/10

      Prove it “Jack”.

      You have never met the man.

    • Jack says:

      01:45pm | 18/07/10

      I have nothing to prove . I have met him.
      I am not racist. Andrew is, so it is his problem not mine.

    • Peasant #3167 says:

      08:26pm | 17/07/10

      what’s the point of posting a comment? There is no freedom of speech here.
      What I write is not swearing or using derogatory words. But I do express my view. But apparently that view that cannot be heard in Australia. No wonder we never hear the real story.

    • Peasant #3167 says:

      08:44pm | 17/07/10

      Tory what are you suggesting? You think we should just have open borders for all people to come and go as they please. To populate and exploit our social system, health system, and stress our environment. Sovereignty of this country and most others happened hundreds of years ago,  the notion of we are all migrants is just rubbish. Early settlers here and in other countries established the culture, laws, societal norms,  and reputation. Those people are not migrants they are part of the framework. The descendent’s of those people want to protect it. And why not? What right do you and other new starts have to change it?

    • Ashley says:

      08:57am | 18/07/10

      Good God, people, this is an opinion article! Calm yourselves down. Fans of Andrew Bolt are still going to be fans, no matter what races or religions he slanders.
      Now onto the actual subject at hand. I’m starting to wish racist people would just up-front tell us they’re racist. “Yes, I am a racist. I do not like Muslim people, nor Islams, nor any other race or religion that is not predominately Anglo-populated”. Bolt should have possibly used that as a disclaimer to his article. My problem is not that he will change any sort of Government policy regarding immigration, it’s that he has the sufficient influence and hold over the Daily Telegraph-reading public who will be easily swayed into his way of thinking.
      Despite Whitlam’s best attempts via policy to make Australia a multicultural land, it is comments on articles like these, and indeed the views of people I happen upon, that make one forget these policies were ever in place. We need to be protective of our borders, yes. We need to control our intake of immigrants, yes. And we need to ensure the safety of our citizens, yes. What we do not need to do is put the fear of God into people through scare tactics such as Bolt’s article.

    • Kathrine Grant says:

      10:12am | 18/07/10

      If integrity bit Andrew Bolt on the nose he wouldn’t notice it.

    • Krista says:

      11:07am | 18/07/10

      We have enough people here. Time to close the doors. We don’t want or need anymore

    • Wombat says:

      01:40pm | 18/07/10

      Imagine two aboriginal men living in the Botany Bay area discussing local events sometime after the arrival of the first fleet. Maybe they were expressing the same sentiments as you.

    • Zac says:

      07:32pm | 19/07/10

      Wombat,

      Leftist Whites are well known for “Self Pity Parties” (SPP) and guilt ridden existence. If it was not for the Westerns/Caucasians, you would be writing and talking in Japanese. A sensible person like aboriginal Christopher Pearson has no time for SPP’s. He is well aware, if it was not for the Westerners he would have never lived in a prosperous country, let alone a great lifestyle. Heaps different from the animistic existence aboriginals were used to I would guess.

      SPP and guilt is not the foundation on which we built modern Australia. To build and prosper further we should never be importing people from societies that hate - us, our culture, our people and above all people who don’t subscribe to democracy. I don’t care if they subscribe to secularism (I myself don’t) but they certainly should like a democracy.

    • Zac says:

      03:34pm | 18/07/10

      >>>She also writes opinion pieces and receives bucketloads of hate mail.>>>

      This is from Tory’s profile. In light of her article what would be Tory’s definition of hate? It would be something like this. “Anyone who can read should know if you disagree with my leftist/secularist/Atheistic world and social view, you are hater”. If you question PC disciples, they’ll label you as racists. Ok, she will tell you she has few degrees from “brain washing center’s” i.e, universities. Ask people like Tory to qualify what they say. She would tell you it only applies to jurnos like Bolt. Hence goes the Darwinian utopia…... it’s law of the jungle.

    • dave says:

      04:05pm | 18/07/10

      I don’t suppose Mr Bolt quotes any stats on the numbers of Muslim civilians killed by western Bullets lately, or the numbers killed by high explosives dropped from great heights on Muslim neighbourhoods. 
      He no doubt would think these issues totally irrelevant. 
      But it’s ironic that we’re discussing setting one society against another, when it is in
      fact our government’s policy to do just that, and has been for years.  None of us
      including Mr Bolt, has any right to be surprised at the result.

    • Zac says:

      09:40am | 20/07/10

      Dave,

      Neither does Mr. Bolt quote the large number of Muslims that are killed by other Muslims in Mosques, in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan or Indonesia.

    • Davido says:

      08:42pm | 19/07/10

      The real problem with Bolt is twofold:
      - first he dresses up his ideology in pseudo-statistical references in order to give it some sort of half-arsed legitimacy. An (unfortunately) common weakness of modern journos; and
      - the second is that Bolt is all about divisiveness. It is easy to tear down and divide communities, much harder to build them.

      It would be nice to see more media commentators attempt to find solutions.

    • Wombat says:

      07:02pm | 20/07/10

      Paul C I thought you were a wit, but I was only half right.
      Zac are you a member of the KKK or what?

    • Zac says:

      10:37am | 21/07/10

      Wombat,

      That KKK stuff is too old. I am a Hamas flag waving warmenist Greenie.

    • ian pountney says:

      07:44pm | 27/06/11

      good on you andrew at least youve got the balls to call it the way it is unfortunatly some people are just to unintelligent to see it

    • Lauren says:

      08:58pm | 27/06/11

      Some of the people on this board amaze me. You don’t like being called a racist, yet you are quite happy to call all Muslims extreamists. Maybe if you didn’t label all Muslims extreamists you wouldn’t get called a racist. There is a novel thought! Everyone is different, all Muslims aren’t sexist or conservative anymore than all Australian’s hate indigenous people. Learn to treat people as individuals because that is clearly how you want to be treated.

    • Lauren says:

      09:35pm | 27/06/11

      It is very interesting how the people who agree with Andrew Bolt talk about the importance of freedom of speech and being able to say what they feel, yet they have no interest in hearing from immigrants who have exprienced racism in Australia. What about their right to freedom of speech? Oh that’s right your freedom to say whatever you like is far more important isn’t it? Why is that? You like to criticise other groups and lump them in together, but can’t stand being criticised and lumped together. Is it somehow more accceptable when you do it? Hmmm I don’t want to use the dreaded r word but I have to admitt I am thinking it… you’re the only ones allowed to call a spade a spade though aren’t you so I better keep my mouth shut.

 

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