In mid-2011, amid a spate of violent attacks in the city, the State Government proposed a 4am curfew in Hindley Street. Like many, I supported the idea as an obvious, sensible way to curb the culture of boozing until you’re brawling.

It was his last binge drinking session for a while. Pic; Andrea Laube

I thought it would sail through parliament.

The Australian Hotels Association – a powerful lobby group that donates tens of thousands of dollars to both parties – was predictably furious, calling it a prohibitionist approach that would make us a national laughing stock.

What happened? The curfew was blocked by the Liberal Party.

Five months ago the results of a Whyalla trial were released, showing a pub lockout after 1pm led to a 45 per cent reduction in arrests and reports for drunken violence.

So, were similar trials rolled out in trouble spots across the state – trouble spots like Gawler or Hindley St?

No. And here we are again.

Last week a 39-year-old man died after an assault in a Gawler hotel car park. Another remains in a critical condition after being assaulted outside an inner-city nightclub.

To their credit, at least three Gawler pubs are looking to introduce stricter licensing rules to curb violence, including possible lockouts from midnight and pulling back closing times from 3am to 2am.

And in fairness, the Gawler pub where Dutchman Henk van Oosterom died had closed 45 minutes before the attack; owner Justin Irving says he already uses ID scanners and surveillance cameras.

But with all the hand-wringing over these recent attacks, it’s interesting to note a shift in focus away from the people who serve liquor, and onto “individual responsibility” and changing “community attitudes”.

That’s no bad thing, I suppose, but here’s a simple fact: there are pubs that do the right thing and pubs that don’t, and that includes following the strict rule of not serving alcohol to intoxicated persons.

One former hotel manager, who spent 20 years in the industry, says serving people until they’re plastered is a business strategy.

“In my experience, the majority of pub owners pay lip service to the responsible service of alcohol – people only get kicked out when they run out of money or the pub closes.

“We used to have a happy hour at 11pm, which was ridiculous because the place was full anyway. I’d argue with the owner because it just got people obliterated, and we’d have 19-year-old staff trying to deal with belligerent drunks. But he didn’t care – he said it got people through the door.”

Driller Armstrong, the owner of Sugar nightclub in Rundle Street, says some club owners clearly care more about profits than the integrity of their venue.

Armstrong says it’s time for the State Government to seek counsel from operators who successfully thwart violence – and get tough on those who don’t.

“I’ve got four friends coming out from Japan later in the year and there’s no way I’d take them to certain parts of the city – they’d think we’re just a load of Neanderthals.”

He says police need stronger powers to curtail drunken violence, and courts need to back up the police with hefty sentences that deter thugs.

Hard to disagree with that – how often do we see vicious brawls leading to court appearances that end in pathetic suspended sentences, or charges being dropped altogether?

It’s great that the government is considering extra measures including more CCTVs, ID scanning technology, extra security staff and banning certain glassware and drinks.

But how about a tougher carrot and stick approach while we’re at it: tax breaks for clubs with clean rap sheets; a two-strikes policy for repeat offenders who serve drunks, leading to shorter trading hours or suspended licences.

And yes, trialling lockouts or shorter trading hours to see if these additional measures curb violence.

Premier Weatherill told State Parliament this week: “We cannot go on like this.”

SA Police, paramedics, city day traders and basically anyone with commonsense has been saying that for years.

They’ve just been drowned out by vested interests.

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    • cheap white trash says:

      06:44am | 09/09/12

      We are just wasting our time on cheap talk and wine.

      You want to fix the problem,take the gloves of,no more of this Namby Pamby Approach to crime in all fields,we have been over run with Do Gooders,The PC Brigade,The Progressives,The Smart ass human rights Lawyers,Lefty Teachers who Pollute our kids mind with BS about your rights, the lack of discipline and respect shown to Authority,and we all sit here wondering why we have this problem?
      Did we have this Problem in my time,NO.
      So Dont blame the Drink.
      Blame Society,and Put the Blame where it belongs,it belongs to all
      those people above,and until we get a Pollie with a Backbone and some Balls,nothing will change.

    • Typical says:

      08:30am | 09/09/12

      CWT? More like MOC.

      Back in my time blaa, blaa, blaa. The lefty’s and the do gooders wrecked the world blaa, blaa, blaa. Givus all a break you old whiner. The do gooder lefty hippy personality type is not the sort of person we see in these events. My guess is that it’s the wound up miserable angry personality type that is more likely to be involved in these events. I bet everything in your world is the fault of all the ‘others’ you don’t like.

    • Mayday says:

      09:00am | 09/09/12

      Ever heard of the six o’clock swill?

      Before extended trading hours men would leave the pub at 6pm footless and many wives paid the price when hubby got home.

    • bananabender56 says:

      09:01am | 09/09/12

      Mate, absolutely correct.

    • cheap white trash says:

      10:27am | 09/09/12

      Typical & Mayday,so u fit into the above??
      And by the way Typical,im not as old as you think i am.

    • GetRidOfCommies says:

      12:10pm | 09/09/12

      Spot on cwt! This country is going down the gurgler because of lefty pinkos and human rights lawyers. I’ve got no time for them at all. Whenever one of them open there mouths it is just utter rubbish coming out.
      Everyone knows that alcohol related violence only started in Australia in the last 15-20 years, once all this PC crap got invented. I look back to the Australia of the 70s, it just never happended ever. Now it’s all about the rights of the criminals. Bring back the cane I say and start using it. 20 strokes for being drunk in public, 100 for punching on.
      These thugs need to learn that violence isn’t acceptable.

    • andye says:

      01:23pm | 09/09/12

      @cheap white trash - Oh, totally. Everything can be blamed on a vague collection of lazy stereotypes of people you don’t like.

      “Do Gooders,The PC Brigade,The Progressives,The Smart ass human rights Lawyers,Lefty Teachers who Pollute our kids mind with BS about your rights”

      Clearly if we took all these terrible horrible people around the back and shot them, the problems of crime and alcohol fuelled violence would vanish! This all makes total sense.

    • cheap white trash says:

      02:37pm | 09/09/12

      @GetRidOfCommies,thanks mate,100% correct,go to Singapore and see if they would Tolerate the crap that we put up with,and as for the CANE Bring it on,nothing like a good 20-30 slashes with the cane,that would sort a few out.

    • james says:

      03:32pm | 09/09/12

      @GetRidOfCommies

      “Bring back the cane I say and start using it. 20 strokes for being drunk in public, 100 for punching on.
      These thugs need to learn that violence isn’t acceptable.”

      Hope I’m not the only one who saw the glaring contradiction there.

    • Tom says:

      04:52pm | 09/09/12

      No you boys. You are all wrong. These drunken people are misunderstood. They are so much smarter than you. So roll up and give your money to the. nice people and their lawyers. Otherwise the lawyers will come and take it any way.

    • Drink? says:

      07:06am | 09/09/12

      People have a right to go out have a good time and yes get hammered if they choose.  Where those rights end is if they impact on others (ie through violence, intimidation etc). 

      To deal with the violence two simple things have to happen 1) police actually have to have a presence - ie not hiding inside Hindley st Police station but getting out amongst it in force, 2) the courts actually punish those doing the wrong thing (instead of a slap on the wrist).

      Blaming alcohol is silly as it is just a manufactured liquid and it steps us yet again away from the principle of personal responsibility. 

      The state (and media) needs to be less concerned with controlling people’s lives (through mandating drinking hours, types of drinks etc) and more focussed on enabling individual pursuits of happiness ( eg drinking late in a violence free environment) via punishing violent and intimidating behaviour.

    • Chris says:

      09:23am | 09/09/12

      Similar story in Melbourne, we have too many places to drink, that police can not enforce them all. I can not remember the last time I saw highly visible police walk through a venue while I was a patron.

      Yes I do have a right to go out and get drunk as a skunk. in saying that though I’ve never and I’d never throw a punch, because I have morals.

      Should we have tougher penalties. Yes but then over crowding becomes a very quick problem, but yes we need to throw an in the slammer to dry out + a few extra days because hey missing work on monday after a bender on friday may teach people that life is more important when it does get taken away.

    • Dion says:

      12:03pm | 09/09/12

      @Drink?

      Sorry mate but you do not have the right to go out have a good time and yes get hammered if I choose (sic). It is actually against the law, being that it is an offense to be drunk in a public place.

      So yes it would be great to see the “Drunk Tanks” open up for business again and get law breakers such as yourself off my streets.

    • Dave C says:

      07:13am | 09/09/12

      The policy of lockouts and curfews is not new.

      In the early 1990’s in Armidale NSW you had to be in either licensed nightclub (Sevens or the Newie) by 11.00pm after that you could not get in and then everyone was out by 3.00pm and then we crawled into the taxies in 2 degree temps and went home.

      Same in Dubbo in the late 1990’s, you had to be in the Ameroo or the Commercial by 1.00am and both places closed by 5.00am.  However the problem with this is, wont the violence then just spread into the street once the place closes.

      Back then we all got pissed and had fun but the incidence of fights (or bashings) was minimal to zero. Thats because we avoided trouble and had the brains to walk away.

      The problem now is that we have given too many people “rights” too many young people have been bought up with the “its all about me” attitude and cannot take a loss or a defeat of any type without a fight. This nation of young narcissists has to have everything their way (they were told in school it could be this way and it tv commercials… after all its all about you.!!!!) and when they get on the grog and it doesnt happen like they want to, then like spoilt 2 yr olds they lash out and engage in 2 yr old behaviour instead of accepting defeat and walking away.

    • TChong says:

      08:23am | 09/09/12

      DaveC
      It sounds like “Dubbo in the 90s” was a remarkably different place ( far more civilised) to the “Dubbo of the 80s”
      The hotel near the ’ railway crossing -  known as “Buncha fives” ( I’m sure you’ll know the pub I’m reffering to ) was notorios fthru out the central west for being the place to able to score all manner of drugs , and its fights.

    • Dave C says:

      11:59am | 09/09/12

      Yes Dubbo late 1990’s and even 2000’s was probably better than 15 years beforehand T Chong. I mainly stuck to the Ameroo or the Commercial cause… well thats where the young women were and if there were drugie pubs I kept away from them especially as I had (still have) a government job where a drub conviction would end my career. 

      Look I am not saying there was never any fights, however usually they were fair fights and if a person backed off that was the end of it. but there wasnt bashings ending in hospitalisation or coma’s , bashings by security guards or people killed by 1 king hit as happened in Kings Cross a few months ago, and this is the sort of thing people are blaming the grog for when actually its the narcissistic attitude of people who drink which has caused the violence injuries and deaths.

    • Trevor says:

      07:17am | 09/09/12

      How about we stop frickin around at the margins and do something big to ‘stop the violence’?

      I’m talking about legalizing softer drugs. Pot, ecstacy and cocaine to start with. That would do wonders.

      And if the ACA are anti Prohibitionist they should have no problem right?

    • marley says:

      08:31am | 09/09/12

      @Trevor - I’ve got no issues with legalising pot and e, but cocaine is another thing entirely.  If you want to “stop the violence” you don’t legalize drugs which are likely to increase it.  Cocaine is one of those.

    • Richard says:

      12:11pm | 09/09/12

      Yeah, cocaine increases aggression and violence, whereas dope decreases it. But what about bath salts, I mean they’re legal yet they turn people in to flesh eating blood craving zombie killers!

    • bael says:

      07:19am | 09/09/12

      They did the curfew in newcastle. Even stricter than the one proposed for sydney.
      It did not work.

    • Typical says:

      08:19am | 09/09/12

      Yes it did work nonce. Read the stats. Problem here in this feed is opinionated people sprouting rubbish wrapped up in a serious absence of fact.

    • year of the dragon says:

      09:39am | 09/09/12

      Typical says: 08:19am | 09/09/12

      “Problem here in this feed is opinionated people sprouting rubbish wrapped up in a serious absence of fact.”

      Why is opinion a problem? You don’t seem to have any problem expressing yours.

      If something is factually incorrect, someone will fix it and supply a reference. Like Ben did.

    • Typical says:

      10:33am | 09/09/12

      Opinion is fine YOTD, to be more clear when opinion that is absent of any factual reality is stated as a truth or description of something - like the things done in newy ‘not’ working, there is a problem in being able to have useful debate. Arguing that the world is flat because I think it is - regardless of the available data on the world being round is the problem I am talking about. It’s not really a problem it is just not very usefull in a feed that is about engaged debate.

    • Bailey says:

      11:29am | 09/09/12

      “If something is factually incorrect, someone will fix it and supply a reference”

      Fix it?
      If a “respected journalist and the dominant newspaper chain in Australia can’t fix it, why do you expect that anyone will fix a factless opinion/?
      Piers Akerman according to Ltd.News is one of “the nation’s most respected journalists he has worked in New York, London, Washington and Los Angeles.”
      have a look at this and tell me what is wrong with it and why it hasn’t been fixed by Piers, or Ltd News?
      I’ll give you a clue. 640 million.
      http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/piers-akerman-labors-song-and-dance-act-cant-hide-the-truth/story-e6frezz0-1226419850129

      Would you please get Ltd. News to fix it and tell us how easy it was?
      Oh, and please tell babble-on to stop using it in his posts.

      Thanks in advance.

    • gary says:

      02:37pm | 09/09/12

      yotd
      re. piers factless opinion.

      I found it, did you?

      You might want to consult with marley for some strategic defence of Piers and Ltd. News.
      marley thinks this sort of thing is ok.
      facts, opinions - same thing to marley.

    • marley says:

      06:58pm | 09/09/12

      @gary - it’s a real pity you cannot distinguish between supporting someone’s opinion, and supporting his right to speak his opinion.

      And I think you’ll be rather hard pressed to find any comment I’ve ever made supporting Ackerman on his arguments.  But don’t let a fact get in the way of your own opinion.

    • year of the dragon says:

      07:33pm | 09/09/12

      gary says: 02:37pm | 09/09/12

      “You might want to consult with marley for some strategic defence of Piers and Ltd. News.”

      Do you mean defence of their freedom of speech or defence of their opinion?

      On the former, I absolutely defend their right to express whatever opinoin they wish. As to Ackerman’s opinion, I can’t say I’ve read a lot of what he writes.

    • Gratuitous Adviser says:

      07:34am | 09/09/12

      “The Australian Hotels Association – a powerful lobby group that donates tens of thousands of dollars to both parties. ”  This fact is disgracefull but says more about our politicians than anything else. 

      Interesting comment about taking Japanese to certain parts of the city because of the “Neanderthals”.  The writer has obviously never been to Yokahama Station on a Friday night.  The Japanese have their own problems with alcohol.

    • Richard says:

      08:26am | 09/09/12

      Oh yes, it’s all the nasty Liberals and their vested interest groups’ fault… What a simplistic world the author lives in. Violence is part of human nature, it’s going to be with us forever, you’d better learn to accept that fact.

    • Harves says:

      12:40pm | 09/09/12

      Dead wrong Richard! The state has a legitimate role in regulating human behaviour and protecting adults from themselves. Personal responsibility, like economic liberty had been tried and tried again and again and always it has failed. This is why democracy always fails, people get to decide who to vote for and history shows they often choose the wrong option. So how do we ensure a enlightened and benevolent state?

    • Richard says:

      03:37pm | 09/09/12

      I dare say, Harves, that I’m exceedingly unlikely to buy your argument, which rests on the assertion that “economic liberty ha(s) been tried and true again and again and always it has failed”, when, well-versed in history as I am, I know that to be utterly false! In fact, economic liberty is the ONLY thing that works, and every time it has been tried it has increased wealth and improved living standards. 19th America, Hong Kong, in fact anywhere full unrestricted capitalism was embraced, prosperity soon followed, and in fact, where ever economies have broken down, it is always due to a failure of central planning, (such as with the GFC, which resulted from Greenspan and Bernanke’s mistakes of setting interest rates too low and implemented moral hazards by bailing out failed financial firms like long term capital in the 90’s), rather than ever being a failure of free markets.

    • G.A.M. says:

      11:29am | 09/09/12

      Drinking is not the problem its the idiots who don,t know when they have had enough and the people who keep serving them.
      Stick a sign outside the pub saying plain clothed Police in attendance and watch it change and make the Publicans more accountable for serving intoxicated people they know the laws but money is the main thing here for them and the Government its a pass the buck situation

    • Ray says:

      11:47am | 09/09/12

      Common sense dictates that prolonging alcohol availability hours encourages more drinking by people who are already in an intoxicated state, thus encouraging more irresponsibility leading in turn to violence and injury.

      As already demonstrated by trials in the CBD of Newcastle, NSW,  restricting alcohol availability after 1am substantially reduced the incidence of violence and injury.

    • stephen says:

      11:51am | 09/09/12

      You can spend a lot of time in fluffy slippers squinting at the paperwork for your second mortgage, then go to the pub and be your own hero and escape your boring life, then pretend to be a winner and belt someone up, pissed.
      This is the life of the pubcrawler. not the larrikin.  The latter may tell bawdy and true jokes in front of his ex. and get a smack for his trouble, but he wouldn’t kinghit a joker from another stable just cause his own self-worth was that weak that any remark was a red flag.
      Sometimes I think that bouncers should be given a bit more leeway, once they get the troublemaker out back, waiting for the Law.

    • Kipling says:

      12:16pm | 09/09/12

      Individuals perpetrating violence against others is the BIG problem. The FACT they tend to do so when drunk is a subsidiary issue, but, let’s not be so ignorant as to suggest that the alcohol consumption and violence are not linked, that is simply put, dishonest.
      The other FACT is that AHA have never demonstrated significant commitment to anything other than their profits. This is a huge part of the ongoing problem. This is not societies problem as such, it is the sellers of alcohol problem, they contribute, they reap the financial benefits and yet, have demonstrated the temerity, dis-reputability and irresponsibility to block measures that will demonstrably address issues with some effect. Even worse, they belligerently offer up NOTHING as an alternative solution. This highlights, or should to any thinking being, where a huge part of the problem lies.
      As has been pointed out by Richard, violence is going to be with us forever, most likely, however, accepting that fact and simply rolling over and copping it are two different things.
      I agree that violence is a concerning behaviour that we are quick to demonstrate, generally though, most only try it on when they think they will get away unscathed. The point here is that in general terms as a species we are intrinsically violent and, as it happens, cowardly with it. We are building a society it seems where the victims of cowardly arseholes are victimised further if they stand up for themselves. This is why Government must and (albeit generally ineptly) should intervene. Sadly it appears from this that Government (including opposition because they are a part of the equation) has demonstrated fairly clearly, they will represent the interests of profit groups over individuals who may, at some point, be victims of violence.

    • Tubesteak says:

      12:45pm | 09/09/12

      It’s not the alcohol that’s the problem, it’s the culture of poorly-raised bogans that think they are the next king-of-the-cage who go out looking to score in their Tap Hardy t-shirts but due to poor skills they end up getting frustrated at their failure and get violent. instead of limiting alcohol we should re-think how we raise our kids.

    • marley says:

      02:14pm | 09/09/12

      I dunno, Tubesteak.  Would you call Nick D’Arcy a “poorly-raised bogan” or a self-entitled middle class thug?  It’s not just the bogans who cause problems.

    • Tubesteak says:

      07:55pm | 09/09/12

      “Nick D’Arcy a “poorly-raised bogan” or a self-entitled middle class thug?”

      What makes you think he’s neither of these things?

    • Luke says:

      12:54pm | 09/09/12

      Last night I went out in Townsville there is a police presence there as it is a drink safe precinct. The problem I believe is they all sit on one side of Flinders St for hours at a time,I’m talking at least 12 officers. When they do decide to patrol this 100m stretch it in groups of 6. What a waste of time, it’s all about overt presence, I understand working in small spaces with crowds there’s safety in numbers and you can dominate and control most situations with 6 officers along with the back up that at most is 50m down the road, so I propose instead of walking around in your 6 pack split up in teams of two or three and patrol more frequently in and out of clubs instead of along the path.

    • Chooka says:

      01:22pm | 09/09/12

      There is no curfew in Hindley Street.  There’s not even a pub. I’ve lived in Currajong 22 years. What’s going on?

    • finegal says:

      01:47pm | 09/09/12

      It’s not rocket science - it’s all about the incentives.  At the moment, the negatives for fighting (low chance of punishment) when drunk outweigh the positives (rush, reputation).  Change the equation - whether by financial penalties on those drunk and disorderly (such as no centrelink/no tax free threshold if they are in work), use of the stocks, a 12 month ban on having ANY alcohol with a suspended sentance, etc etc.

    • Tell It Like It Is says:

      02:25pm | 09/09/12

      I just came across this article and thought it was going to be about Kings Cross. Thanks for the heads up about all the other affected areas.
      But whatever anyone says - or thinks - ‘it’s the alcohol, stupid’. Pure and simple. The strength of the greedy alcohol lobby is demonstrated by the lack of appropriate state government response across the nation to an obvious problem. And this while all governments now pretend to be ‘evidence-based’. The Newcastle study has shown what many other studies here and elsewhere overseas have long since shown.  The crime, violence and unsociable behaviour correlates positively with the increasing hours of availability of alcohol. For all those for whom too much is never enough, just *)*& off and go home and do it in your own neighbourhood.  it is definitely NOT personal or simply a matter of your choice or right. It has a cascade effect of significant problems for society and society’s tax dollars.
      I can think of a lot of better causes than wasting money on extra police, ambos and emergency room beds just in the name of lining the pockets of the all too powerful AHA and liqour lobby.

      It is time perhaps for the federal government to take a hand in what is a national problem. Do we really want to be known as the biggest boozers on the planet?!

      And NO I am not a wowser but do exercise self regulation and control and don’t make a mess for others to clean up and pay for, literally or metaphorically either now or in the future.

    • Evalee says:

      03:16pm | 09/09/12

      In addition to the formal education we seem to think (and is) so important, we need to instruct people on how to spend their leisure time.  I worked for 7 years in corrections and I have seen this time and again.  Whislt at work, everything is fine, but after work, half these blokes don’t know what to do with themselves besides get blotto.  It is not enough, when they are young, to tell them to ‘go outside and play’.  There needs to be structured activities, and the ability to learn skills (footy, a musical instrument, carpentry, underwater basket weaving, etc) to carry them forward into adult which includes the communities that spring up around these activities.

    • Tim says:

      03:33pm | 09/09/12

      It is not an offence simply to be drunk in public. Court prosecutions don’t get dropped because prosecutors are ‘soft’ but because of lacking evidence, innocence, and policing errors. People that think the answer lies in harsher sentencing alone clearly have not considered the American example or looked at the evidence. The best approach is complicated not simple, and will involve reform in policing, security, legislation, sentencing options, rehabilitation of offenders, and it will take time. Those with rose coloured glasses looking at times past are not constructive, nor is any anti rights throw away line type criticism of contemporary Australia and its citizens being aware that the law should be followed by all, including those professionals dealing with violent crime.

    • Tell It Like It Is says:

      04:36pm | 09/09/12

      In the meantime then let’s just do the obvious and easy and sensible thing. Like a lot of other things, drinkers seemed to have changed.  The word ‘glassing’ is new to the English language. So until the next mellenium when the education seeps through we simply have to reduce the trading hours, especially in a place like Kings Cross or obviously even the district about which this article is written. No, it is not everyone but it is enough of a problem for too many and it cannot be controlled otherwise. Not simply a matter for more and more policing or anything. A REAL matter for review of licensing laws and DA application processes for licensed premises. But until that is done, just close the place at a reasonable hour. How much booze do you need?

      And before anyone even utters the phrase “nanny state” (!),  please do understand that only children get nannies. Grow up and act responsibly and, guess what!!! That nanny will be looking for another position!! Too easy.

      Two legged animals are highly over-rated at least under the influence of too much alcohol.

      As someone else here said, too many idiots don’t know what else to do with themselves.  Pathetic children. And then they complain

    • bananabender says:

      05:01pm | 09/09/12

      The Swedes mostly solved their huge alcohol abuse problem in the 1920s by:

      - introducing a state alcohol monopoly
      - only selling alcohol through government owned shops
      - banning alcohol advertising.
      - not selling alcohol on the weekends
      - making alcohol extremely expensive (~$10 per unit alcohol)

      This regime lasted until they joined the EU.

    • Cynicsed says:

      05:18pm | 09/09/12

      Saying it’s just the alcohol is way too simplistic. Of course the drunken violence stats are going to drop if people can’t drink after 1am, there’s less people around in the first place. However, this is a case of penalising the majority for the stupidity of the minority. We’re talking about adults here, not children. Many people can drink until they’re legless without feeling the need to beat the crap out of someone, so why do others behave differently?

       Alcohol is a disinhibitor, correct, but only a small percentage of people respond in this way. I would suggest a better and more equitable, although somewhat more radical approach is for the Courts to ban people with a history of drunken violence from pubs and clubs for a lengthy period of time,  enforced by some sort of digital marker on their ID.  No ID scan, no entry.  During the banning period they must also compulsorily attend anger management classes. Or join a martial arts class and be taught how to control themselves (not as antithetical to controlling violence as the uninformed may think.)That way, businesses don’t suffer, the onus of responsibility is back on the individual and our streets are safer. Demonising people making a buck  from a legal substance is counter-productive.

    • Tell It Like It Is says:

      06:17pm | 09/09/12

      No there aren’t less people around after 1 a.m. In Kings Cross for example there are masses more. When all the civilised suburbs DO close up shop at a reasonable hour they all come up here. So things are just getting started around 1 a.m. 

      And all the bouncers have done martial arts and then some. So not one club or pub in Kings Cross has one strike (of NSW 3 strikes, you’re out policy). Isn’t that ironic!!!!

      Personally I think everyone should be breathalyssed in a place like Kings X every time they order another drink! A way of educating them as to how much alcohol/how many drinks and what effect it has. No one pays any attention to that while they’ll sniff out one molecule of transfat in their diet.
      The alcohol business will NEVER suffer. It’s right up there with oxygen and food. For many, before food. Weren’t all the pubs and clubs going to go down the gurgler with the smoking restrictions in public places and businesses when they were brought in? Yeah. Right!

 

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From: Hasbro, go straight to gaol, do not pass go

Tim says:

They should update other things in the game too. Instead of a get out of jail free card, they should have a Dodgy Lawyer card that not only gets you out of jail straight away but also gives you a fat payout in compensation for daring to arrest you in the first place. Instead of getting a hotel when you… [read more]

From: A guide to summer festivals especially if you wouldn’t go

Kel says:

If you want a festival for older people or for families alike, get amongst the respectable punters at Bluesfest. A truly amazing festival experience to be had of ALL AGES. And all the young "festivalgoers" usually write themselves off on the first night, only to never hear from them again the rest of… [read more]

Gentle jabs to the ribs

Superman needs saving

Superman needs saving

Can somebody please save Superman? He seems to be going through a bit of a crisis. Eighteen months ago,… Read more

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