This story was written before I had seen the Four Corners special ‘A bloody business’. I had the intention of opening with a description of some of the footage shown in that program. Footage showing scenes of horrific cruelty in Indonesian slaughter houses. But I can’t do that. It was simply too horrible.

Stories from Indonesia - Live Export Investigation from Animals Australia on Vimeo.

All I could think of was my student days studying the history of Germany during the 1930s and the rise of Nazism. The acquiescence that allowed the Holocaust to happen was on display during interviews with Australian cattle producers who were appalled by the slaughter conditions while perfectly happy to bank the money. These human scum, and in particular Meat and Livestock Corporation CEO Cameron Hall, rank among the worst excuses for human beings on the planet.

Rest assured, the remainder of this story will perhaps shock but there will be no graphic descriptions of cruelty.

The live animal export trade has been a major focus of animal welfare and rights groups for decades. Campaigns have usually focused on sheep and the death and suffering during the 2-3 week trip to the Middle East. Typically, annual death tolls are around one per cent. This may not sound high, but it is equivalent to 16 per cent of a farmer’s sheep dying in paddocks in the prime of their life in a single year.

Not being a sheep, it is hard to imagine how they feel about being confined on a ship and standing in excrement for three weeks, but many deaths are caused by inanition. Inanition is a tricky technical word meaning they just stop eating and die. It is subtly different from starvation, which would take much longer. No, the shipping conditions rob sheep of the will to live, something that even hunger or mulesing won’t do.

In recent years the campaign focus has broadened with Animals Australia investigators putting themselves in harm’s way to take footage of horrific slaughter or handling methods in Egypt, Kuwait, Bahrain, Jordan and the United Arab Emirates. Each investigation has been greeted with a mixture of mock and genuine outrage and disgust in Government and industry circles.

The offending segment of the trade has sometimes been suspended for a suitably polite period after which everybody picks up where they left off amid grandiose claims that steps have been taken, training initiated, protocols established, reports written and people admonished.

There follows a period of silence until the next investigation which unfathomably but invariably finds more of the same.

The latest cycle of this dark game is underway as a result of Animals Australia footage of cattle handling and slaughter in Indonesia shown last night on Four Corners.

But the implications of the live cattle export to Indonesia are widespread and complex. The savagery spreads out beyond the cattle themselves to forests, orangutans, local cattle, farmers and undernourished children. This industry can’t move a sinew without smashing something or somebody.

Some background will help understand what is happening.

Food riots in Indonesia and elsewhere in 2008 captured media attention briefly as grain prices peaked and people went hungry. The Indonesian food system has been fragile for decades. In 1995, according to the UN Food and Agriculture Organisation, it produced just 2584 calories per person per day. The latest 2007 data shows a slight reduction as productivity increases fail to cope with 20 per cent more people.

Our food system, for comparison, consistently produces about 3200 calories per person per day. When cyclones send banana prices through the roof, we can easily eat something else. When rice prices go up in Indonesia, people go hungry, seriously hungry. The practical impact of a marginal food supply is that some 30-40 per cent of Indonesian children are stunted. They don’t get enough food. Stunting during childhood usually causes a host other physical and mental problems in later life.

Australia’s live cattle exports to Indonesia have mushroomed since the mid 1990s and we are now sending half a million cattle to Indonesia annually. Doesn’t that mean more meat for children and less sick kiddies?

Only if the batteries in your bullshit detector are flat.

What do you think happens? People who are having trouble affording rice just duck down to the supermarket and pick up a steak or a bucket of mince to give little Bambang a growth spurt? There are 225 million Indonesians who share about half the quantity of beef consumed by Australia’s 22 million fatties. But guess what tourists and wealthy Indonesians get to eat in Jakarta restaurants and hotels?

What has this large growth in live cattle export done to the Indonesian beef supply? Nothing. Nada. Zip. There has been no increase in the per capita beef supply since 1995. Tick, tick, tick, work it out. Guess what has happened to the indigenous cattle herd? Globalised markets ... survival of the fattest. The local cattle industry has declined by the same amount the import industry has grown.

But wait, there’s more. There’s not a lot of pasture in Indonesia so almost all the feeder cattle from Australia end up in feedlots for 90 days.

And what drives these feedlots? What do the cattle eat? Remember all those TV programs about palm oil? Remember the bull-dozed tropical forests and dead and orphaned orangutans replaced by palm oil plantations? Palm kernel cake is now the main component of cattle rations in feedlots.

Probably in the very feedlots that produce the beef that TV documentary crews eat at their hotels while making stories about the horrors of palm oil. Palm kernel cake is what you get when you crush palm kernels to make palm kernel oil. It’s a high protein food similar to the soy bean cake left after the oil is extracted from soy beans.

Warning: satire alert.

So can you see the beauty of the system? We have deforested large areas of Australia to run cattle. To run the northern herd for Indonesia, we burn huge areas of the top end every year in massive conflagrations to prevent reforestation and the drawing down of any of that carbon from our coal burning. Hell - we wouldn’t want that. All this destruction allows us to produce cattle at bargain prices just ready for fattening.

Then we sell these cheap feeder cattle to Indonesia and they obliterate their tropical forests and orangutans for the final fattening. Deforest one, get one free. But the bonuses just keep coming. Cheap feeder cattle drive the little producers out of business, this means that instead of small local Bali cattle eating rice straw and turning it into useful manure locally, the post-harvest rice straw is sent to feedlots which concentrate manure to maximise its potential for damage.

Then most of the beef is eaten by the rich and when the rich get bowel cancer and heart disease they do what the rich everywhere do ... demand first class medical attention. This consumes resources which might otherwise get frittered away providing clean water to some grotty little village in the back of nowhere.

Isn’t it wonderful what can be achieved with a little cooperation and globalised markets?

End of satire!

Exporting cattle to Indonesia does nothing for the poor of Indonesia. But it makes the destruction of tropical forests and indigenous wildlife like orangutans more profitable.

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    • Super D says:

      06:19am | 31/05/11

      I watched the show last night and the cruelty on show was just terrible.  One thing that did strike me as strange was that the cattle were continually identified as “Australian Cattle”.  Its not as if the cows would identify as members of our nation state and nor would it be ok to treat non-Australian cattle in the same manner. 

      Also I’d guess that the palm oil cake is simply a byproduct rather than the driving force for palm oil production, though this would obviously make the initial cropping more lucrative

    • Edward James says:

      07:59am | 31/05/11

      @ Super D,  I watched the shocking expose on Four Corners last night! Political parties on both sides of our government have accommodated this animal cruelty.  Some of those cattle owners interviewed where almost dumb struck when asked awkward questions. I can see how the boxes and concrete incline were intended to be used by abattoir workers and slaughter men but clearly those slaughter men filmed had no idea or could not care less. So lets see just how fair dinkum our Federal Government,Cattle producers and those who tax taxpayers money to protect animals are ? Over ten years have passed since this became an issue and we see animal abuse like this on our National ABC TV , after several days of hype. I worked in an abattoir in Australia as a young man and the process of killing beast we used was quick and efficient.  What civilized people were able to watch on ABC Four Corners last night is without a doubt an indictment of every politician who has stood and asked for us to give them our votes in trust, assuring us they would act on our behalf. When so many of us watched the ABC last night How many of us wondered about just what our elected representatives have been doing on our behalf? These lazy bastards are taking out taxes and abusing our trust! Edward James 0243419140

    • Thomas Anderson says:

      11:41am | 31/05/11

      Yeah, it’s wrong to torture animals on purpose, of course. But must we go through added trouble to make sure their short life is made comfortable before they reach the slaughterhouse? They are going to end up on the plate anyway.

      Cows, sheep, they don’t know any better. They’re stupid animals. Tasty though.

    • Bruce says:

      12:16pm | 31/05/11

      They way we treat our animals is a reflection of how sophisticated or unsophisticated we are as a human race !

    • maryellen says:

      03:30pm | 31/05/11

      @Bruce,  this is the stand-out comment -  it’s the truth

    • Shaun says:

      05:10pm | 31/05/11

      @Super D - The fact they are “Australian Cattle” is probably not important in terms of how the cattle would self identify themselves, as you suggest, but more that we actually have more of a chance as a country to prevent this cruelty. Cruelty to Indonesian cattle would be just as objectionable, but probably a lot harder to stop

    • Erick says:

      06:32am | 31/05/11

      But isn’t it racist and xenophobic to impose our bigoted ideas of how animals should be treated on brown Islamic people?

    • TChong says:

      07:51am | 31/05/11

      Eck - normally give you credit with posts that are usually well thought out, if not popularly received by many, so somewhat dissapointed that you had to go low brow with “... brown islamic people ?”
      Criticise islam, or catholics or jews or hindus equally, all well and good, but “brown” ? - not good Eck, why the reference ?
      Moral superiority based on skin color?  what color is Mladic s hide ?

    • jf says:

      07:54am | 31/05/11

      Stopping animal exports won’t fix the problem once Sharia Law is introduced to Australia.

    • RobJ says:

      08:03am | 31/05/11

      jf, what are you talking about? Bolt’s blog is somewhere else, take your nonsense there.

    • MarK says:

      08:11am | 31/05/11

      You make a good point Erick.

      Following on from Tory’s assertion that real Muslims don’t behead people perhaps these were not real Muslims doing real halal stuff?

      I am confused to be honest and conflicted. I though this was a religion of peace and stuff. Ahh hell bring on Sharia Law. You know it makes sense.

    • loulou says:

      08:12am | 31/05/11

      If all “skins” are equal, then it shouldn’t matter saying black, white, brown.  You hear “old, white male” in a put-down.  Anyway, the practices are disturbing and disgusting.  If it’s part of a religion, then it’s frighteningly disturbing.

    • maryellen says:

      08:25am | 31/05/11

      I don’t think jf is posting nonsense.  Dreadful methods of slaughter go on -  cannot argue with that.  Is it about halal, or not?  It’s not about Andrew Bolt or Punch.

    • RobJ says:

      08:51am | 31/05/11

      “I don’t think jf is posting nonsense. “

      So tell me then, when is Sharia Law due to be introduced in Australia? Proper answer please, no Boltesque nonsense.

    • dovif says:

      08:51am | 31/05/11

      Rob J

      How many islamic leader have to say they want Sharia Law to be impose in Australia, for you to figure out they want Sharia Law in Australia.

      I am not worry about the Islamic people, I am more worry about the (Stupid) bleeding heart lefties legislating it into existance

    • Socrates of The Hills (NSW) says:

      09:05am | 31/05/11

      As long as the animals were facing Mecca, Allah would have ensured that they incurred no pain. It’s all in the Holy Koran. Ask Mohammed - heaps of em in Lakemba (Christian names as well as surnames) - ROFLMFAO

    • egg says:

      09:11am | 31/05/11

      @dovif, where’s all that legislating then? last time i looked, the majority of the population was opposed to sharia law being introduced. i don’t care how many clerics state they WANT it, where’s your proof that it’s on the way?

      also, this post is about animal torture. did you get that, or just couldn’t resist some good ol’ leftie-bashing early in the morning?

    • dovif says:

      09:27am | 31/05/11

      Eggs

      I have every right to be in fear of the lefties

      Since a leftie prime minister had lied in front of us, and then try to introduce the Carbon tax into Australia.

      So yes, I am worry about what other agenda the leftie have, that they won’t tell us about, and then blindside us with after elections

      That will go for the Carbon tax, which polls has said Australians does not want, just like Sharia law

    • RobJ says:

      09:27am | 31/05/11

      “I am not worry about the Islamic people, I am more worry about the (Stupid) bleeding heart lefties legislating it into existance “

      LOL… dovif, who are you calling stupid?

    • dovif says:

      09:52am | 31/05/11

      egg

      Well ever since Julia said there will not be a Carbon tax under my prime ministership, then lied and introduced one 4 months later. I am not sure anymore

      And the current opinion poll says the majority of Australian does not want a Carbon tax.

      So yes, Australian have a right to fear, what Julia might do, and that includes everything she has said no to previously

      Such is life, under a lying PM, which drives a gas guzzler

    • Tony of Poorakistan says:

      09:57am | 31/05/11

      Quite right Erick - I can just imagine the outraged PC Brigade coughing up their lattes at the though that a white, Australian male in Australia might have the temerity to question the right of Muslims to bring their customs here and have us all go along with them. 
       
      Meantime, while these limp-wristed, soft-cock, bleeding-heart lefties turn a totally blind eye to the more barbaric Islamic customes in the name of *their* god, multiculturalism.

    • jf says:

      10:38am | 31/05/11

      RobJ says:08:51am | 31/05/11

      “So tell me then, when is Sharia Law due to be introduced in Australia? Proper answer please, no Boltesque nonsense.”

      Introducing Sharia Law was mooted by some only recently. Are you proposing that we only discuss things that are definitely going to happen.

      Personally, whilst I think that it is not practical, as Australia’s demographic changes our justice system will change. Either way, it is a useful discussion to have even if to clarify why we shouldn’t introduce parallel legal systems.

      My point however was to highlight that I’m sure that there are plenty of people blogging about the inhumane treatement of cattle by the Indonesians who staunchly defend Islamic countries who subjugate humane beings because of cultural difference.

    • Kevin says:

      10:47am | 31/05/11

      The slaughter of animals according to halal and kosher requirements (the 2 methods of slaughter are the same) is permitted in Australia.
      Why is it that any topic posted on Punch quickly degenerates into a forum for all the small-minded bigots to post comments on their pet hates?

    • RobJ says:

      11:22am | 31/05/11

      “:Introducing Sharia Law was mooted by some only recently. Are you proposing that we only discuss things that are definitely going to happen.”

      Errr, I’m not proposing anything, I’m questioning those who claim that Sharia Law will be introduced in Australia, so far nobody has risen to the challenge and they won’t because it’s NONSENSE!

    • Kika says:

      11:39am | 31/05/11

      I can’t believe it’s not the feminists this time Erick.,

    • Ando says:

      11:49am | 31/05/11

      Dont bother Rob J.  If these dills think Sharia is even a possibility , given it has zero support from the left,  then they are part of the loonatic fringe along with the deluded Shieks they quote .Both are irrelevant.

    • Reggie says:

      01:49pm | 31/05/11

      What’s this about animals on brown Islamic people Erick?  Oh Erick!

    • maryellen says:

      02:15pm | 31/05/11

      @RobbJ,  The push for Sharia law is underway.  You’ve been sleeping.  Unless you’re one of the Head Prefects around here, pull your head in.  Not nonsense

    • loulou says:

      02:19pm | 31/05/11

      @RobbJ has mentioned Andrew Bolt twice. How many times will he insist on “nonsense”?  Is RobbJ a bully?

    • Adam says:

      03:25pm | 31/05/11

      What stupidity… ‘latte sipping lefties’ are apparently going to introduce shariah law because they are too soft..
      Remind me which party has the strongest position on animal welfare again? Which party has the strongest commitment against the very practice this article is attacking?
      People blaming the left in this case are just trying to have it both ways.

    • Kevin says:

      03:48pm | 31/05/11

      This is an article from halalmeat.com.au.  The date of the article is Nov 2009:
      “The King of Jordan’s sister has appealed to the Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd, to stop the ritual slaughter of conscious animals for halal meat in Australia, saying it was not necessary under Islamic principles.
      Princess Alia bint al-Hussein of Jordan, who is the sister of King Abdullah II of Jordan, said she had written to Mr Rudd saying that any lowering of animal welfare standards in Australia for religious reasons would be a blow to the country’s reputation and undermine progress in the Middle East.
      “Contrary to some claims, killing without stunning is not necessary under Islamic principles,” she said.
      The Australian standard on ritual slaughter for halal and kosher meat states that animals must first be rendered unconscious by electrical stunning before their throats are cut.  But under a disputed federal guideline, the Government has allowed at least four Victorian abattoirs exemptions to kill without stunning to fulfil Middle Eastern export contracts over the past two years.”

    • Mark says:

      04:00pm | 31/05/11

      Well yes it would be

      “racist and xenophobic to impose our bigoted ideas of how animals should be treated on brown Islamic people”

      What right do a bunch of people in Australia have to impose their view as to the proper treatment of lunch on other people. LOL at those like TChong, suggesting your comment was somehow racist, all you are doing is pointing out the hypocrites. Clearly his sarcasm detector was off line

    • Daniel says:

      05:22pm | 31/05/11

      Erick if you think its alright we will send you there to be treated the same way?

    • John the Zombier says:

      07:13pm | 31/05/11

      Kevin was just about to ask that. what does carbon tax etc have to do with this subject. Yes, your meat in Australia is now all Halal. I brought this point up when the punch did an article about Sharia law.

      I am not sure if freezing the meat then sending it will work. I think some research should be done into this and if it shows that the meat can be sent frozen and there is no change in its appeal the why not.

      Just to note many of our Muslim brethern sluaghter animals fresh in thier backyard as well following this same method of sliting the throat and leting the blood out.

      The point that annoys me the most is we were not even given the choice if we wanted halal meat, it was just forced upon us with out noticed to satify a minority but this is off topic

    • ZSRenn says:

      06:45am | 31/05/11

      I wonder if anybody has looked into how much of this beef returns to Australia and where it is sold when it does.

      I would think many would be surprised to find that not only are we exporting cattle for this purpose we are importing the end product back in as well.

    • Stephy says:

      08:54am | 31/05/11

      That’s a good point, and one I’d sure as hell be interested in learning.

    • CBR says:

      09:11am | 31/05/11

      I very much doubt it, especially with the backhouse abattoirs (i.e. the ones performing the cruel slaughters) where little to no refrigeration exists, and the cost to ship back to Australia would be fairly prohibitive.

    • ZSRenn says:

      02:26pm | 31/05/11

      @ CBR In the last 20 years I know of 5 abattoirs that were closed done in the Hunter and New England region with the express intention of moving the slaughtering offshore.

      They did this because the labor costs paid to meat workers became so high that it was cheaper to move the slaughtering off shore.

      I know beef returns from these slaughter houses. I just don’t know how much.

    • Reggie says:

      02:28pm | 31/05/11

      It wouldn’t have a hope in hell of passing our meat inspection process let alone our Import restrictions. Thank the gods.

    • Gravelly says:

      06:49am | 31/05/11

      I too saw the program and as a former cattle producer was appalled. But please don’t overlook the fact that most of these slaughter houses have stun guns, but don’t use them. Why? Because the final consumer won’t eat meat killed humanely. Simple as that. It has to be halal, or not at all. Remember these folk think nothing of hacking off the head of some terrified hostage, in front of a camera, for all the world to see.

      And never forget, we rarely get both sides of the story from everyones taxpayer funded ABC! There are always two sides to any story.

    • Geoff Russell says:

      08:22am | 31/05/11

      I saw nothing last night on Four Corners which surpassed the cruelty practiced regularly off the coast of Port Douglas by rich Australian and other tourists who catch huge fish on big hooks and play with them for hours.  The slaughter of muslims in the
      heart of civilised Europe in 1995s also comes to mind.

      I can understand your well deserved shame at association with this vicious industry, but racist bigotry is never called for.

    • Dean Croft says:

      08:57am | 31/05/11

      What a load of crap - what i saw last night was disgraceful - lets face it they are just cruel bastards with little hope of changing regardless of how much training/assistence they get - it is cultural & average Australians will just not cop it ! Either do the slaughter (Halal & all) on our shores & help invest in a distibution system in Indonesia (frozen transport/storage) or alternatively set up an Australian processing works in Indonesia ourselves. If all this cannot work - bad luck - they can starve for all i care ! Too much cruelty has already gone on !

    • michael j says:

      11:07am | 31/05/11

      @-Firstly to address the authors concern with the rise of NAZISM and the gassing of lots of millions of peoples ,what the FUCK are you on ,,
      didn’t see 4 corners ,so i don’t know if the slaughts had stun guns or not
      in Australia Muslims will accept meat from cattle that have been stunned because they consider the beast to still be alive because the heart is still beating when the throat is cut ,Jews will not,it has to be live kill,been there ,done that had some excellent photo’s of some Jewish Priest in action,late 70s
      the fact these animals are being sent to countries will very old killing floors is not good but was pointed out during the early 1980 s when the A.M.I.E.U and its members were trying to stop live exports of stock then
      that we never thought of giving names to the animals was probably the union’s folly,but the poor Graziers won out in the end,hence we have a lot less unprofitable Meatworks in Australia now and fewer jobs,,
      this issue has been brought up many times,notably the live sheep trade by 60 minutes over the years but nothing comes of it ,that the Author
      acknowledged there is over 200 million peoples just north of Australia
      that are sometimes very hungry should be of concern to us for other reasons then export of live cattle , what happens if they import themselves to get to fred,jack,rusell,and timmy, that’ll be the last thing the M.L.C.A. WANT,
      Warning: satire alert. I used to have to open the throat of bullocks on the ground to tie off the wizen ,many times the big bastards would be trying to get up because the pin-gun used was only severing the spinal cord and not reaching the brain ,tad dangerous ,on a beast that weighted 800 kg but,a,  that’s what the boss wanted ,,
      But giving names to cattle is not new to me ,i had a bull,‘vet stuff up taking his nuts out ‘‘his name was ‘billy’’ had him for two years then the day came for billy to start life over again as a resident of my freezer,,so
      i shot him in the head ,cut his throat ,and dressed him,,and he lasted
      7 months and tasted like shit,,useless bloody vet,,

    • ki says:

      10:37pm | 01/06/11

      sorry to say but i agree with you its all about HALAL and we all live in australia and we have to accept this…NO!!!  sorry but thats barbaric..but who are the final consumer????? and remember that final hostage had a ransom not being sold for his meat…wake up….

    • TChong says:

      07:02am | 31/05/11

      I wonder how long it will take the trolls to turn this into a rant against islam.

    • paul says:

      08:19am | 31/05/11

      It’s not about any troll.  Sharia speaks for itself.  Cruelty to animals is vile.  Are these disgusting methods of slaughter going on in Australia….....yet?

    • John K says:

      09:02am | 31/05/11

      TChong, thanks for kicking it off - as thinly veiled as it was.  Once Sharia Law is introduced here, Halal will become the norm. It’s happening now, even vegemite is Officially Halal Approved - Whatever that means, perhaps the yeast was killed violently? Some sort of muslims are superior type ritual?  Lets face it Sharia, Halal and Fatwa are all Muslim words. If they get their way, and they are trying hard - these principals will be spread throughout the world and enforced. Since our Prime Minister is herself being held hostage by the Greens and other minority, they may get here sooner than you think.  She really has no choice - without their support, she would become unemployed overnight - herself a victim of Labor Policy.

    • Paul C says:

      09:28am | 31/05/11

      @paul - Yes it does happen here and our government is too gutless to stop it - No Prime Minister wants a Fatwa warrant issued on their head.  You can even apply for a little “Halal Approved” logo to put next to your “Australian Made” logo.

    • Socrates of The Hills (NSW) says:

      09:35am | 31/05/11

      Chongie mate - I support Allah and Islam and Mohammed. I think it’s great what happens in Indonesia. Clearly the ABC is attacking the one true peaceful religion - Islam. I suggest you lodge a complaint with the ABC - they are friggen arseholes. They are racist bastards over there in Ultimo/Gore Hill. Full of leftoids who have no respect for religion - they even attack Hussein Obama for being Christian. Bloody atheists and agnostics - all of them. Praise Allah and all his faithful in the Taliban and al-Qaeda - martyrs to a just cause of protecting animals and humans.

    • Kevin says:

      12:20pm | 31/05/11

      Some facts. Both kosher and halal require the animal’s throat to be cut to allow it to bleed to death.
      Slaughtering by the kosher and halal methods is permitted in Australia. 
      My understanding is that local halal butchers first stun the animals.
      My suggestion is that people should google “halal”, “kosher” and “australia” before spouting rubbish.

    • maryellen says:

      02:24pm | 31/05/11

      @PaulC Thanks for this info.  I hadn’t realised this hideous treatment of animals was happening here in our country.

    • Wombat says:

      03:03pm | 01/06/11

      Nearly all our Meat in Supermarkets is at present is Slaughtered by the Halal system, don’t know if they are Stunned first before having their throats cut in Australia, or done by Muslim Slaughter-men !!!
      But this should be done in Indonesian Slaughter Houses, and that way the beasts can be moved to the correct position, facing Mecca, before being put down, not the way it was depicted on Four Corners on monday night.

    • Kylie says:

      07:20am | 31/05/11

      As the quote goes “without religion you have good people doing good things and bad people doing bad things, it’s only with religion that you can have good people doing bad things.” myths from the 7th century that never are to be up dated certainly clash with a modern world of reason. Could we also have a report on Halal killing within Australia to see what is going on in our own backyard also? Much of religion should not be tolerated and be in no doubt this is a story of religion and not of animal rights.

    • Edward James says:

      08:09am | 31/05/11

      Kylie perhaps you could borrow a camera and shoot us some footage of halal slaughter somewhere in Australia. I understand the slaughter involves the saying of a prayer over the beast.  My government has not been to Indonesia to conduct any investigation I am aware of! I seen several apologist on TV last night and i feel sick to understand my taxes are being spent to accommodate such animal abuse not just there but in other places we export live! So it is all about the export dollars right cattle producers will go bad if the trade is stopped.  Edward James

    • lulu says:

      08:23pm | 21/08/11

      Yes, I think it’s time for a thorough look at Australia’s slaughterhouses.  Animal welfare should always be the first priority, religion second.  As they say, if slaughterhouses had glass walls, most of us would be vegetarians.

    • damien says:

      07:20am | 31/05/11

      Equating beef slaughter with nazism, regardless of the supposed cruelty, is disgusting.you should be ashamed.

    • TimB says:

      07:38am | 31/05/11

      I’m just amazed that someone managed to break Acotrel’s record for bringing down Godwins law.

      Having it occur in the comments clearly just wasn’t quick enough. Geoff has managed to do it in the second paragraph of the article itself.

    • jf says:

      08:00am | 31/05/11

      And therein lays the problem Damien.

      Whilst I think that Gravelly above has a point in that there is probably more to this story, it seems that we should be taking more responsibility for the fate of the live cattle we export. However, the zealots who compare the ill-treatment of animals to the ill-treatment of humans trivialise the issue ensuring that it cannot be dealt with in a considered, even-handed and measured manner.

    • MarK says:

      08:13am | 31/05/11

      It was an awesome segue wasn’t it Tim.

      Pretty soon we will have whole articles saying I saw this Nazi once and finishing with Tony Abbott is bad mkay and people nodding sagely.

    • Geoff Russell says:

      09:00am | 31/05/11

      The word “supposed” is a give away. Either you haven’t seen the footage or you don’t care. In any event, the acquiescence of cattle farmers and of Germans in the 1930s is profoundly similar. The cattle farmers all claim to be appalled but all do nothing. Those who knew and did nothing at the massacres of Srebrenica are cut from a similar cloth ... as are those who knew and did nothing in Rwanda.

    • Rover of North Cooma says:

      09:51am | 31/05/11

      Yep, I’m afraid after that I stopped reading the article and skipped straight down to the comments hoping to find a reasoned argument.

    • Damien says:

      11:12am | 31/05/11

      For the information of those on this forum - It is common practice in Australia to kill Halal. This is done by stunning the animal with a airgun, then stringing it up by the hind legs and cutting its throat, allowing the animal to bleed out from the neck facing mecca, while feeling no pain. I have personally seen this at an abbatoir.

      The debate should not be about whether Halal is cruel or not (it can be done in a method as humane as normal) but that there are bad practices around the world. In addition, the debate on this particular post should (IMO) be about the disgusting use of relativism equating the life of an animal to that of human beings. As someone who recently returned from Germany, after visiting German and Jewish museums, I am appalled that someone would consider that the persecution and murder of 4 million Jews is similar to (quite rightly) detestable meat production practices in third world countries.

      Geoff, your argument is rendered invalid by this comparison (along with it’s schoolboy use of imagery and prose), regardless of its intention.

    • michael j says:

      02:12pm | 31/05/11

      @Damien-read- Stungun= electricity,,,, pin-gun runs off air compressor,
      the heart is beating while the throat is cut while the beast is unconscious from the STUN-GUN many volts,,like police have?
      this is accepted practice for HALAL in Australia,,as far as i know Jews will not accept this and require a live kill,don’t know what abbatoir.you were in
      but if they were running a stungun off air they probably had lights running off nuclear power down behind the boiler’s,,,,,,,,

    • michael j says:

      12:48am | 01/06/11

      @Damien-yes i see what you are saying,but i haven’t seen a bolt gun used
      cartrige or air that would be called a stun gun ,,although sometimes that is the effect on very large ox or bulls,,i would not have thought musilms would
      accept this method,.,the stunner i refer to is like a set of head-phones with
      electiral current passed through,,it has been used on pigs for before i remember,,pigs are an animal the heart must pump as much blood out as possible or you risk bad meat,,the research i did a little while ago suggested the electrical method was ok for HALAL,,,anyway live EXPORT has been going on since the 80s with bugger all control
      it should never been allowed at all,,,,,,,

    • Goldenfaber says:

      07:19pm | 01/06/11

      It would be wrong to equate cruelty to animals with Nazism as the FIRST law that Goering introduced to Prussia (which at the time ruled half of Germany) was a law banning the using of animals for experiments….

    • Gregg says:

      07:33am | 31/05/11

      All animals have brain power and it is so sad that we can not treat them with as much kindness as we can, regardless of whether one is a meat eater or not.
      I was at a slaughterhouse once and a guy showed me the heavy spring loaded impact gun that was used to knock an animal senseless with immediate effect and you have to wonder why that approach could not be used and it would certainly be far less traumatic for animals and handlers.

      The lack of concern for farm animals is not just confined to the treatment that is occurring in Indonesia, over 100,000 good dairy cows regularly killed off in the US, just to keep dairy products demand high and prices from dropping, and then you have our race horses and do not think for a moment that too many enjoy a great retirement funded by former owners.

    • thatmosis says:

      07:44am | 31/05/11

      Boo hoo, sob sob, cattle are bred to be eaten or used for milk, full stop. If we take all necessary care at our end why should we really care how the animals are killed. If they have to be killed Hahal then so be it. These bleeding hearts make me puke. A bullet to the head or a slit throat is no big deal as long as the meat ends up on the table. Get a life people, there are worse things going on in this world than some sensationalised program for the gullible. As far as Im concerned wipe its arse, cut its horns and put it on a plate, yum.

    • Mitchell says:

      08:17am | 31/05/11

      You’re so tough man, I wish someday I could be as hardcore as you.
      I bet you never killed to eat yourself because people who do show a lot more respect for the meat they eat.
      It is well known that quick humanely killed meat tastes a lot better. An animal thrashing around while dying a slow death releases adrenalin into it’s bloodstream which really messes up the taste of the meat.
      Go ask a hunter on your way home from woolies tough guy.

    • mel says:

      08:40am | 31/05/11

      thatmosis is fooling no one

    • Edward James says:

      08:46am | 31/05/11

      @ thatmosis. Do you really believe what we watched on the ABC four corners last night was halal killing? I am waiting to hear from the Moslem’s community if they support the slaughtering we all are able to watch on line as Halal.
      Bo hoo, sob sob indeed!  Edward James

    • Moo Hoo says:

      11:38am | 31/05/11

      Spoken like a true liberal.

    • MichelleK says:

      12:21pm | 31/05/11

      thatmosis, What a tool you are!  You make me puke!

    • Animals Matter says:

      02:42pm | 31/05/11

      It takes more strength to care about something than it does to dismiss it. You are a weak human being who only cares for himself.

      Any religion that teaches that harming animals is ok is barbaric and should be banned.

    • In Credulouse says:

      07:45am | 31/05/11

      we export coal to other countries and they are using it to kill the planet, or so we are told.
      we do not seem to be stopping that trade.
      any hypocrisy evident?
      Jo Ludwig comes out of the shadows to ride a hobby horse!

    • Socrates of The Hills (NSW) says:

      11:20am | 31/05/11

      What do you mean. He’s only called for an inquiry. That’s the end of the story like the BER, pink batts etc etc etc.

      Labor is good at hiding things. And the ABC wont dare attack the government coz they pay their leftoid friends/supporters !!!!!!!!!!!!

      Where can I say NO to the ABC and stop my tax dollars going to ‘em ???

    • lulu says:

      08:35pm | 21/08/11

      This is about animal suffering.  What has export coal got to do with it?

    • Brizben says:

      07:54am | 31/05/11

      I found last nights four corners to be deeply upsetting. The image of the terrified cow at the end and the line “this is happening tonight” really impacted on me.

    • Sarah says:

      09:24am | 31/05/11

      Oh honestly, it wasn’t nice to watch but grow up. You found it deeply upsetting and it really impacted on you? This sensationalist rubbish just irritates the hell out of me. Surely time would be better spent investigating the incidents of child abuse in our own country and doing something about it. Not crying over cows on an opinion site.

    • The Yowie says:

      10:23am | 31/05/11

      No Sarah, perhaps you should grow up. This dated ideology that cruelty is acceptable as long as it’s not human is truly disgusting. Cows are mammals just like you. They feel pain, fear and distress just as you do. Anyone who can’t sympathise with a fellow creature enduring this treatment is just out of touch with what it really means to be human.

    • libertarian vegetarian says:

      10:59am | 31/05/11

      @ Sarah, why should the two be mutually exclusive? Perhaps if we wasted less money on arts grants, pink batts and set top boxes we could fund the relevant Depts to investigate & prosecute child abuse. The difference is that child abuse is illegal and sending animals to this fate is not.

    • Brizben says:

      11:59am | 31/05/11

      That last cow had to stand there and watch the other 3 get slaughtered before it had its turn. The cow is intelligent enough to understand what was happening, and be terrified of it. it should not have had to go through the fear and terror.

      I take heart from the commentators who have worked in the Australian cattle industry and condemn this method of slaughter.

      @Liberal Vegetable:  I think you are confusing state based responsibilities with federal based responsibilities.

    • Lee says:

      02:37pm | 16/06/11

      Wow Sarah, cold-hearted and speciesist much?  You’re the one who needs to grow up if you can’t grasp the fact that caring for animals doesn’t mean that you don’t care about human beings.  I truly hope you don’t have children.

    • Marian Dalton says:

      07:59am | 31/05/11

      This isn’t about religion, so perhaps the anti-Muslim, anti-religious crowd should just take a deep breath and take a good look at the *real* situation.

      Halal slaughter isn’t necessarily cruel - in many places the animals are stunned before slaughter. Get it? They are *unconscious*. The practice of stunning is growing throughout the world.

      What was portrayed on Four Corners last night had nothing to do with religion, and everything to do with casual cruelty. Heard the saying, ‘familiarity breeds contempt’? The workers portrayed in that documentary showed no emotion at all - they were not revelling in savagery, but acting like workers on a production line (which in fact they were).

      There’s little difference between their behaviour and that of soldiers in Bosnia - not some explosion of hate, but an absolute lack of empathy. Religion doesn’t produce that - it’s a *human* thing.

    • David of the Grand Academy of Adelagado. says:

      10:46am | 31/05/11

      “What was portrayed on Four Corners last night had nothing to do with religion”

      What a staggeringly ridiculous statement.  It was all about religion. Why else do you think the animals were being wrestled to the ground, turned towards Mecca, and bled to death in this slow, difficult, ritualistic fashion. And as the show said, many Muslims will not accept stunning even if it is available.

    • Rick says:

      07:59am | 31/05/11

      Erick says:06:32am | 31/05/11. You goose !!! I don’t think it’s Racist or Xenophobic to say what we saw last night was absolutely disgusting and I was so pissed off at that Mongrel kicking and beating the cattle that I wanted to crawl through the screen and belt the crap out of him. I was bought up in the bush and would never treat an animal like that. Yes! I do eat meat. But I’ll never eat halal products. This is the type of people we are letting into our once great country. Go on now call me a racist. because I give a shit about my country . Will They ???

    • Markus says:

      09:07am | 31/05/11

      Hate to break it to you, Rick, but you’re probably already eating halal products.
      Steggles? Ingham? All halal. Most Coles meat is also entirely halal now too.
      They just don’t bother advertising it publicly because (a) Islamic community groups actively enquire with companies to ensure their meat is halal anyway, and (b) they know full well that advertising all their meat as halal certified will piss off a hell of a lot of people.
      What the public don’t know won’t hurt them, aye?

    • Rick says:

      10:07am | 31/05/11

      Point taken Markus. We have been hoodwinked for a long time I guess and not just about halal?? I think I’ll go and cut my wrists now??? LOL !

    • bella starkey says:

      11:15am | 31/05/11

      Rick, I don’t want you to freak out, but kit-kats are halal certified too.

    • Kevin says:

      12:26pm | 31/05/11

      @Rick
      So what’s the difference between halal beef and kosher beef?
      I bet none of you have the guts to criticise the jews.

    • Knemon says:

      08:04am | 31/05/11

      I’ve watched 4 corners for over thirty years and last night was the first time that I have had to turn it off. Disturbing TV indeed.

    • CJ Morgan says:

      09:39am | 31/05/11

      Me too, Knemon. Of all the awful stories and vision brought to us over the years by 4 Corners, that was the worst.  I live in the bush and raise a a few weaners each year, but if they were destined for live export I’d simply walk away from that aspect of our business.

      Unless there is some verifiable way of improving animal welfare at the destination, I think that live exports of meat animals from Australia should be banned forthwith.  Animals can be humanely slaughtered here, and value adding via processing would have to be good for jobs in rural areas.

    • Daniel says:

      05:24pm | 31/05/11

      Why turn it off though? This is what some of our farmers are about to put these poor things through. Its not right. As I write this its still going on now.

    • Thirsty says:

      08:04am | 31/05/11

      @TChong
      Why is it that everytime someone has something to say against an issue, they are deemed to be trolls?
      I am a cattle producer, we kill our own meat, and even I couldnt watch some of the footage last.
      Why cant anyone talk about the fact that the slaughter techniques that were highlighted were for religious beliefs only?
      Anyone that knows anything knows that meat from animals who are stressed in the slaughter process is both tougher and tainted (ie, meat is darker)
      the question has to be asked, why is it that muslims demand their meat killed in such a fashion? I know that they will say that it has been desribed in the Koran for centuries, however, other religions have moved on from ancient out of date practices, why cant this religion?
      Also, if Aust bans live exports to Indonesia, then we have no oversight, small as it is, of what goes on there. Wouldnt this just be opening the market to a country that has no moral issues with these practices?

    • Phil Osopher says:

      08:12am | 31/05/11

      The religiously deluded are happy killing in their own way, just as they think Abraham accepting orders to kill his own son acceptable.  Halaluyah to all barbaric belief systems.

    • No 1 Rosie says:

      08:13am | 31/05/11

      Now that we took great notice of the cruelty of these animals can we please equate the same to the asylum seekers sent to Malaysia by this Govt. I am with Wilkie on this one and surely the Govt will be able to do something about it urgently.

    • Cloud Strife says:

      08:14am | 31/05/11

      Governments will never care about animal cruelty, until animals can vote.

      And I would hazard a guess that my cat could make better policy than some the jokers in Canberra (even if it was ‘The Make Whiskas Free and Give Us All Bendy Straws to Play With Act 2011’).

    • Paul C says:

      10:43am | 31/05/11

      “Governments will never care about animal cruelty, until animals can vote.” -  or until governments rely on tree hugging greenies to stay in power.  Just watch that space.  It’s all about self preservation for Julia, she cares nothing about animal rights or farmer’s income - just herself. After all, she doesn’t want to go down in history as the first female prime minister who also got sacked for incompetence during her first elected (more accurately, selected by nobodies) term.

    • Watcher says:

      08:35am | 31/05/11

      I watched it last night and I felt sick. I sat thinking of the misery and fear and pain those cows went through and I have made my decision. I will buy no more beef until these animals are treated humanly. I doubt anyone who watched that felt much different to what I did. I can’t change thing but I can refuse to buy Australian beef and I will

    • CBR says:

      09:13am | 31/05/11

      Stopping buying Australian beef will not help the problem. Australian beef in Australia, at least, is killed humanely in accordance to our very strict animal welfare guidelines.

      Don’t go to Indonesia and eat beef, though.

    • brown cow says:

      09:15am | 31/05/11

      Watcher

      you do know cows, pigs, chicken, fish, vegetables do not die of natural causes, prior to us eating them.

      They all die for our consumption, including the vegetable, one day they are breathing in CO2 and growing, the next day they are slaughtered for our vegetarians

    • Jade says:

      12:46pm | 31/05/11

      @ CBR, I have heard stories about what goes on in Aussie abattoir’s and just because there are strict animal welfare guidelines doesn’t mean they are followed.  Some of the things I have heard from people who work at these places are just as bad as what is happening overseas.

    • Dan says:

      08:41am | 31/05/11

      Truly horrible, shame on all involved.

    • Socrates of The Hills (NSW) says:

      09:08am | 31/05/11

      Yes. Its the ABC’s fault. They should have bought all the cattle and saved them from barbarity. But I suppose they preferred the story, as against saving poor defenseless animals.

      Shame on the ABC !!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • mel says:

      02:30pm | 31/05/11

      Socrates   you are confusing me!!  Whose side are you really on?

    • Daniel says:

      05:26pm | 31/05/11

      Dan totally agree with you mate. Utter disgust.

    • April says:

      08:48am | 31/05/11

      Great article Geoff.  Do you have a blog where I can follow your writings?

    • Paul Mason says:

      08:50am | 31/05/11

      It is obvious that some foreign cultures are not as highly evolved as Western culture.Why pretend that they ?Continuing to allow them to
      enter our Country as citizens will eventually pollute our cultural traditions.

    • Burko says:

      12:39pm | 31/05/11

      Oh dear…...i think I’ll leave the smashing of Paul to someone else as I dont know where to start.

    • loulou says:

      07:43pm | 31/05/11

      This absolutely true.  Not as highly evolved.
      But we must look away, Burko?

    • Harquebus says:

      08:53am | 31/05/11

      Geoff, you’d do a lot better if you didn’t use that Flash cr@p. Big black boxes in web pages are put there only by idiots.

    • Socrates of The Hills (NSW) says:

      08:58am | 31/05/11

      Allah be praised !!!!!!  I don’t see anything wrong. Those cute Indonesian Muslims are simply treating their cattle like they do Christians in Aceh. Get over it you wimps - this is Islam in action. $hit, you should see the way they treat humans in Malaysia, Saudi Arabia etc etc.

    • Edward James says:

      09:01am | 31/05/11

      The Australian Government your representatives have accommodated this for around twenty years! i doubt the halal slaughter process involves kicking the shit out of cattle! if it dose it is not something I support. I notice there has been no mufti on this string telling punch readers that what we can see on ABC pod cast time and time again, is halal killing according to Allah, and that the process should be praised! Edward James

    • Chris says:

      09:12am | 31/05/11

      Having watched the 4 corners program last night I found that the program missed a few key points.

      The first being there was lots of footage of locations where the treatment and slaughter of the animals have no defence what so ever. But the program only showed 5 or 6 of the locations, surely a balanced reported would of given coverage to locations that were treating and slaughtering animals humanly, but that would of detracted from the sensationalism of the story I guess and not bolstered there argument; and
      The report failed to address one of the possible solutions to this issue, that is a religious solutions, if the cattle are being slaughtered according to Islam in the Halal style, surely one way to deal with the problem is engage the religious leaders in Indonesia to champion their cause.

      But as always it is easier to criticise then it is to create.

    • Edward James says:

      09:34am | 31/05/11

      @ Chris, life is too short. Viewers were told there are over a hundred slaughter yards where halal killing is done. Again I write where are the spokespersons to tell us what we witnessed on ABC TV is cool? Seriously if this sort of thing is OK with those who want halal then i have a problem with my government supplying them with products of Australia particularly live beast! Edward James

    • Chris says:

      10:03am | 31/05/11

      No one ever said it was “Cool” Edward as the industry spokesmen last night also said it was not appropriate, But for some reason it becomes an Australian Industry program to fix, and not an Indonesian industry problem to address. If a sports store sales a baseball bat to someone and that bat is used to rob or hurt someone does the sports store have liability no. Industry last night said they are attempting to influence behaviours in Indonesia, where are the RSPCA or Animals Australia in that process. Don’t turn this into some Muslim bashing article Edward.

    • Bev says:

      10:04am | 31/05/11

      Chris says:09:12am | 31/05/11
      there was lots of footage of locations where the treatment and slaughter of the animals have no defence what so ever. But the program only showed 5 or 6 of the locations, surely a balanced reported would of given coverage to locations that were treating and slaughtering animals humanly,

      Two points
      Are there any places where these animals are slaughtered humanely?
      If so it would make sense to show them as it would show Halal killing can be done humanely and also put more shame on those who shrug their shoulders and say nothing can be done.
      Even if there are it does not excuse what I say last night. While ANY animal is treated like these animals were there is no excuse ever.

    • Edward James says:

      11:01am | 31/05/11

      @Chris says 10.03. The whole idea of exporting live beasts into Indonesia was based on the understanding our countries animals would be slaughtered humanly.  What we watched last night did not comply with what Australians expected to happen. It is not some reason Chris, the reason is part of contract law, animal cruelty during slaughter is a breach of the contract, we agreed to supply live animals conditional. So where are the spokespersons who will tell us what we seen on the ABC Four Corners is cool and in accordance with halal slaughter and more importantly not cruel treatment of animals Australian cattle producers have supplied under contract. Personally I believe too may of our elected Federal and Northern Territory representatives have accommodated the systemic cruelty of animals for almost twenty years which has now been exposed by the ABC Four Corners program. I am not surprised because I believe so many of our politicians are cowardly. And certainly not that cool Chris ! Edward James

    • et al says:

      03:20pm | 31/05/11

      This is nothing more than the ABC correctly spreading it’s services across the population then finding that the producer was a vegetarian with an axe to grind. Of course the right-wingers are going to whinge about their industry being cast in a bad light. No blood, no impact. 

      The program was a promotion for local vegetarianism. Also why the meat-works have lots of lawn around the sites where tourists gather for a look see. Their gut wrenching saves on Quick-Gro.

    • Dave says:

      09:25am | 31/05/11

      Look at everyone here jumping on their moral high-horse, yet nobody says anything about bull-fighting… Hypocrites.

    • Shane says:

      10:40am | 31/05/11

      I think they’re just trying to stay on topic.
      Well, the ones commenting on the issue as compared with the hysterics screeching about Islam.

    • Edward James says:

      12:27pm | 31/05/11

      Olay!

    • James In Footscray says:

      09:29am | 31/05/11

      Geoff, you seem to be arguing the inhumane killing isn’t the issue; rather it’s the fact that Australians have squeezed out Indonesian farmers. So would it be problem solved if only Indonesian cows were treated in this way?

    • DH says:

      09:32am | 31/05/11

      Good article Geoff, although I’ll admit I expected a little more on the animal cruelty side of things. Still, the other facts and figures made for similarly difficult reading. I couldn’t watch the program last night. I’m already veggie, on the road to being vegan. I know what things happen and given I’m already doing what I can, I’d feel pretty helpless watching the awful suffering of those poor animals. Still, it’s good to hear the reaction is widespread this morning. Hopefully it’ll make a few more people think and we can find a way to eat meat without being the barbarians we supposedly evolved from a while ago.

    • AdamC says:

      09:34am | 31/05/11

      Some of the author’s comments here are oversimplified, or just plain silly. For instance, I don’t think anyone is arguing that live cattle exports will somehow end poverty in Indonesia. That’s not to say it doesn’t benefit Indonesian society.

      I watched the 4Corners story last night and the slaughterhouse practices depicted were certainly shocking, even sadistic. One could not help but wonder why the abbatoir hands depicetd saw fit to tie up and bash the cattle, or toss water at them so that they would instinctively bang their heads on the ground.

      Having said that, I am not sure what banning live cattle sales to Indonesia would accomplish. It’s not as if they wouldn’t find someone else to get them from. One option may be to negotiate agreements (with the sponsorship of the relevant governments) to have carcasses, rather than live animals, shipped there.

    • MichelleK says:

      12:28pm | 31/05/11

      AdamC, shipping carcasses is exactly the outcome being sought.  That’s what “Ban Live Exports” means!

    • Jade says:

      09:36am | 31/05/11

      Live export is a disgusting practice and should be banned immediately. People don’t stand for animal abuse against dogs, cats, horses or any other domesticated animal yet seem to happily stand by and let cattle and sheep die a horrid death that could be easily prevented by banning the practice.  How anyone could do that to an animal just boggles my mind.

    • Socrates of The Hills (NSW) says:

      10:10am | 31/05/11

      Well why aren’t you bitching and demonstrating about Jooliar’s Galah’ds live export trade of Muslim aliens to Malaysia. But then again, they are only economic queue jumpers - so I agree with you - lets protect the cattle first ,before these terrorist arseholes.

    • Jade says:

      10:26am | 31/05/11

      I couldn’t really care what happens to people. In my opinion people should be able enough to take care of themselves. If I can and have done since I was 16, surely others can.  However animals are defenseless, they don’t have a say in how they are treated, they can’t do anything to remove themselves from that situation.

      I’m not talking about humans, I haven’t mentioned any race or religious creed in my comment.  I am talking about the animals that are dying a horrible death so please don’t put bull shit comments under mine that have nothing to do with the topic at hand.

    • Meat Eater says:

      12:03pm | 31/05/11

      @Jade - “I couldn’t really care what happens to people.”

      And here we have it folks - the lefty ethos in a nutshell! What an awful piece of work you are Jade.

    • Socrates of The Hills (NSW) says:

      12:26pm | 31/05/11

      @ Meat Eater:

      Good on you mate !!!!!  I bet you’re a member of PETA like me - People Eating Tasty Animals. ROFLMFAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Jade says:

      12:34pm | 31/05/11

      @ Meat Eater I am as far away from the left as you can get.  I just have a passion for animals and the correct treatment of them.

    • Reggie says:

      05:38pm | 31/05/11

      Holy shit Socrates you’re slipping. “Well why aren’t you bitching and demonstrating about Jooliar’s Galah’ds live export trade of Muslim aliens to Malaysia.”

      Your little discarded PM mate plied Saddam with live exports and wheat as well, while ensuring substantial kick-backs for his mates. Even to the extent of LYING about it for them. Feeding the Iraq upper class while they carved up the peasants. Who’s the Galah now? 

      A little perspective please. It might also be said that in doing so, your little mate was helping contrive a refugee class who needed to seek refuge from the tyrannical class he helped support.

    • Govt@FauxCitizen says:

      09:54am | 31/05/11

      Satire alert and synicism alert, live animals exported to third world countries treated inhumanely with grossly cruel shocking methods, I note that a leading troll here at The Punch, one T.Chong is predicting that somehow we fellow ” trolls ” will tip a bucket of shit on Islam, a predictably moronic baited statement provoking a response. I simply say this in response, if you sell something to someone, then it is theirs to do whatever they like with it, if you sell without conditions, then DON"T expect that your merchandise will be treated as you would.  Killing a living creature humanely and swiftly is not only a trade that has to be mastered, but has to be done with an empathy for the animals wellfare. Slowly hacking the head off a concious creature is not only barbaric but is outdated in a modern world,  I often wonder what kind of person can mutilate and hack to death any living thing. It is a proven fact that people who show a lack of empathy towards animals have a greater propensity for gross violence and abuse towards fellow humans, it’s bad enough when one individual in the population commits an act of barbarism, but when many are involved and the population sees not too much wrong with the practice then it is clear that those people are backward and in need of a culture change if we are to do business with them in the future with our moral concience satisfied. I fear though that the Indonesians have a long way to go to be where we were at 100 years ago. On the palm oil issue, it is already too late, even if live animal exports ceased tomorrow to Indonesia the palm kernel cake would be sold to Chinese feed lots all over the world, like fossil fuel we have become dependant on its supply for a modern lfestyle, and I guess it will be inevitable that as fossil fuel becomes redundant more forest and land will be raped for Bio-Fuel and latex. Both here and elsewhere. Now you all have a lovely hap hap happy day while you still can.

    • Robert S McCormick says:

      10:01am | 31/05/11

      The Live cattle people & the Federal Department of Agriculture have according to 4 Corners been involved in live cattle exports to Indonesia & other places for 18 years. Both, including the Federal Minister, Joe Ludwig, are now claiming it is only 10 years. The Cattle people say they have been working on the issue of what is downright torture in Indonesian, & probably other slaughterhouses, they cannot possibly be called abattoirs, in other places, for the last “10 years”. There are, we were told just over 100 slaughterhouses in Indonesia. That mean Australian organisations, including the Federal Department of Agriculture, have had enought time to spend almost a year in every slaughterhouse in Indonesia to train the workers in those places in humane, decent treatment of those cattle.
      They have done nothing.
      It is not just the current ALP Minister for Agriculture who must take responsibility for allowing this torture of harmless animals. Every Federal Agriculture Minister & those allegedly running the Department of Agriculture for the past 20 years are responsible.
      Those running the various organisations & businesses involved in Live Cattle Exports must take responsibility.
      If 4 Corners & Animal Rights organisations can so easily find out what is happening then the Federal Department of Agriculture & everyopne involved in the trade have also known.
      The Australian Meat & Livestock Corporation has known exactly what has been going on. They have had years to address the situation but have done nothing except for those steel boxes which they installed only to exacerbate the torture.
      Cultural sensitivities? I am all in favour of observing & respecting other people’s cultural sensitivities but when those cultural differences are so great that they condone the cruelty & torture of harmless animals then we have to say ‘No, you can’t have our animals to inflict your torture on”
      Successive Australian Governments, the Australian Meat & Livestock Corporation, & all those involved in the business of live animal exports have deliberately closed their ears, eyes & minds to what has been & still is going on.
      Why? Because of the money involved.
      Have they all become so inhumane, so uncaring so enslaved by their greed for the almighty dollar that, by doing nothing, they have come to condone, indeed, encourage the brutal cruelty?
      This trade must be stopped & stopped now.
      The export of live animals for slaughter overseas must be banned immediately.
      We are perfectly capable of killing those animals right here in Australia.
      We are capable of doing it humanely.
      We are capable of doing it according to the dictates of any religion.
      We are capable of doing it so that the cultural sensitivities of other people’s are respected.
      If other countries won’t accept our rules on the slaughter of animals then that is too bad. They don’t get our meat - meat which they admit is far superior to their own.
      As decent Australians, excluding the those at the Australian Meat & Livestock Corporation, Federal Department of Agriculture & others, have their “Cultural Sensitivities & traditions” too.
      One of those traditions is the abhorrence of cruelty to so-called dumb animals. Seeing the look of outright terror in the eyes of those poor animals being tortured by the Indonesians (& probably in other countries too) gives the lie to the accusation of “Dumb”.
      Why should we discard those sensitivities & traditions in order to satisfy those of other places? We should never, ever do so.
      If Joe Ludwig as Minister for Agriculture does not put an immediate stop to all live exports then he is no better than all those who, for at least 18 years, have allowed this behaviour to flourish
      No Investigation, No Review, Mr Ludwig. A Total & Immediate Ban is required & required now. It won’t save the poor beasts already in those so-called feedlots but it will protect those still be cared for in Australia into the future.

    • John says:

      10:30am | 31/05/11

      Agree with this

    • Socrates of The Hills (NSW) says:

      12:06pm | 31/05/11

      And where do you suppose the Indonesian peasants ,who don’t have access to electricity, let alone the latest Fisher & Pykel fridge or freezer, store all this chilled or frozen meat from Australia. You might live in an industrialised city with all the mod cons, at least until the Greens cut off all our electricity with their loonie policies, but alas not so in the local village. They need access to fresh meat, not frozen meat. That’s the friggen trouble with you chardonnay drinking, latte sipping leftoids - you think everyone has the same facilities as you in Balmain or Toorak - arseholes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      12:49pm | 31/05/11

      @Socrates, you dumb ass. The average Indonesian peasant can’t afford meat, their main staple is rice. The meat is intended for the city elite.

    • Meat Eater says:

      10:21am | 31/05/11

      Big deal. They’re just dumb animals. They are not sentient beings. You lot ascribe human feelings and emotions onto them like they’re some kind of animal/human hybrid. Get real! Why don’t you stupid lefties show some real compassion and weep for the thousands and thousands of people who are suffering every day around the world because of food shortages brought on by the growing of biofuels. Oh, that’s right - it’s for the “planet”, so human suffering doesn’t matter. Only those with fur deserve our compassion.

    • Jade says:

      10:41am | 31/05/11

      You are just a “dumb animal” too, how about we gouge your eyes out, slice you neck and let you bleed out meanwhile kicking you and abusing you in any other way that tickles our fancy of the day after you have been standing for three weeks straight in feces with thousands of other “dumb animals”.  What an ignorant comment.

    • Tell It Like It Is says:

      11:06am | 31/05/11

      I don’t believe you, “meateater”! Just because some readers care about this issue you, like other commentators, seem to think that we do not care about other, perhaps worse ones, to do with suffering. I am most definitely not a leftie but I do not subscribe to the primitive and ignorant belief that 4 legged animals are not sentient and are dumb. Quite the contrary. In fact, many are much smarter and definitely more kind and compassionate - and less violent - than a great deal of 2 legged animals. Hence, your ignorant comment!

    • Meat Eater says:

      11:08am | 31/05/11

      Wow, what a well thought out and considered rebuttal- “No, you are”! We live in a society that turns a blind eye to human suffering, yet pops veins when some poor, dumb animal, with no awareness of self and driven purely by instinct, has to stand in pooh for a few weeks and then be killed for food. Boo hoo. face reality, princess. If you must weep, weep for the millions of suffering men, women and children, not for the fate of the stuff that ends up on the plates of the wealthy.

    • Kika says:

      11:44am | 31/05/11

      Actually cows have a lot of emotion and are more intelligent than people take them for.  Why don’t we feel sorry for the poor people? Well maybe if we stopped eating so much meat there would be more food production made for the starving humans instead of the 80% of resources grown purely to feed stock animals. Get real.

    • Jade says:

      11:47am | 31/05/11

      Meat eater, you missed my point (or refused to see it).  The point is these animals feel fear, they feel pain.  They are just like you and I, a living, breathing, thinking functioning life form.  Yet you would not subject another person ( I hope) to the same treatment as you would a cow, and why because you feel you are more superior?

    • Rick says:

      01:10pm | 31/05/11

      Man eater I hope you don’t own any pets you mong. You would be one of the ones who think it funny to watch this sort of stuff would you. You can go straight to the naughty boys corner and suck you thumb. Deadshit!!

    • John D says:

      12:07pm | 01/06/11

      Kika
      26% of feedgrains grown in Australia are used to feed cattle.Fact.

    • Aussie Wazza says:

      10:23am | 31/05/11

      I have spent some time in Indonesia both in cities and rural. Much of the rural peasantry is very primitive. They have no comprehension of ‘cruelty’. They see what they are doing as converting something from one form into another; food. Just like moving sacks of wheat into a mill.

      Most of these men will never taste the meat as it is beyond their budget.

      Their logic works around getting the job done and if that means inflicting pain to get the animal to respond. so be it. The know from experience that getting poked in the eye or having a stick stuck up your bum generally gets a response.

      The problem is the killing plant owners who provides only the bare minimum standards and equipment to get the job done at minimum expense. They have as little respect for their workers as for the cattle.

      It is likely that these workers are on piece money and every delay cost them. Both financially and possibly their job.

      It is no good trying to explain ‘cruelty’ to these people. It is like trying to explain to a baby that drinking detergent could harm them. You just have to keep the detergent out of their reach.

      Likewise trying to explain cruelty to these people is an impossibility.

      The answer is to remove the cattle.

      Stop live export.

    • BMJ says:

      10:27am | 31/05/11

      People need to eat.

      Not everyone treats animals like we do.

      Get over it.

    • monty says:

      10:31am | 31/05/11

      Realistically money $peaks louder that animal cruelty to the exporters from Australia as it always has and always will….cruelty to animals has been going on since the year dot in middle eastern Islamic countries and in south east Asia.  These markets are important to Australia’s economy and cannot be lost.  Slaughtering the animals in Australia then shipping the meat over is the only solution to the problem of animal cruelty….whether those counties that import that product agree is yet to be determined.  It will also be interesting to see what the Australian government’s reaction to this will be towards this problem….because both parties have ignored this problem for so long.

    • David of the Grand Academy of Adelagado. says:

      10:36am | 31/05/11

      The RSPCA should keep showing that footage in adverts on TV. The cattle barons would get the message if domestic meat sales halved overnight. Pretty hard to eat a steak with those images in your head.

    • Socrates of The Hills (NSW) says:

      12:56pm | 31/05/11

      You going to compensate the cattlemen arsehole ????  Of course not you turd !!!!!!!!!!!!  If it doesn’t affect your pay packet you can afford to be a precious petal you hypocrite !!!!!!!!!!!1

    • underdog says:

      03:11pm | 31/05/11

      We live in a free market system with free speech. If meat sales halved as a result of an ad campaign the eternally whinging cattlemen could get another job…or learn to grow vegetables.

      PS: Socrates, your comments sound deeply unhinged - I’d suggest you get a job or get out of the house a bit more.

    • Peyton says:

      10:37am | 31/05/11

      The Prophet Mohamed is rolling in his grave right now- to think that more than a thousand years ago, while the Romans and Christians and Jews laughed at him for giving rights to women- he went right ahead and gave animals rights. Bet you the popular media didn’t tell you about that one. Stay ignorant…it’s bliss.

    • Tell It Like It Is says:

      11:09am | 31/05/11

      So who took back those rights to women!? And anyway, Romans and Christians and Jews - whatever they might have done centuries ago - have moved on to more civilised. For one, they do not marry 4 year olds!

    • Edward James says:

      12:02pm | 31/05/11

      The ability to claim ignorance is a requirement of becoming a political animal isn’t that fantastic

    • Socrates of The Hills (NSW) says:

      12:35pm | 31/05/11

      The only right Mohammed gave in the interpretation of the Koran, was that it is OK to take a 12 year old girl and have sex with her as his wife. He’s a pedophile in today’s language - but don’t tell Allah or the Imam at Lakemba mosque that - you know, the guy that reckons Aussie women are “cats meat”

    • Peyton says:

      04:04pm | 31/05/11

      “The biggest enemy of Islam are Muslims” and that goes for most religions…

      In fact, all of you people are making a huge point about ‘people like you’. By creating an US and THEM mentality you’re being part of the problem. Can I ask you a question- how many of you have actually met a Muslim?

    • Tell it Like It Is says:

      07:55pm | 31/05/11

      Well, you might be correct, “Underdog”. Or, rather, your references might be. However, we all know that ANYONE can sadly find a reference with our “evidence-based” mentality to justify anything at all (Makes it all a bit pointless sometimes, doesn’t it?).  But in answer to your question as to ever having met a Muslim. I myself encounter them every day of my life. As far as I can determine, not one of those seems an “extremist” . That is,  I can look each one of them in the face (fully uncovered), exchange greetings, enjoy a joke and communicate as a human being normally does.  That is because each has made an effort to learn the language,  work and not expect handouts, respects our culture and is genuinely interested in and respectful of our Australian way of life. Just as I would be were I to go to another country. And as best I can know,  not one of them views me as an infidel who is therefore okay to rape or otherwise abuse or think less of as a human being, or presumes I am a hopeless person destined to go to Hell because I just don’t happen to believe in their view of God (and whose view can be proven?!) - or even their prophet.  In short, they are balanced people, like myself, who can except that there are differences without insisting that their beliefs are superior. Nor are they on a mission to convert me. All very nice people really. Sadly that is not the case with extremist Muslims in this country or anywhere else.  And that is the worry for all of us. Next question?

    • stephen says:

      09:58pm | 31/05/11

      Hell Peyton you spell Mo’ correctly and I think you’re serious but giving equality to cats and camels does not quite constitute a social revolution but don’t look now, I think the upstarts in yout tribe are allotting a place in the sun to the wrong type.

    • Peyton says:

      08:43pm | 01/06/11

      Just so you are aware:

      Conditions of Halal Slaughter: Slaughtering should be done in a way minimizing the suffering of the animals, such as: not skinning, not breaking the bones while the animals alive. The slaughterer must use a tool which immediately kills the animals so that they do not experience necessary suffering. The conditions of slaughtering based on Islam are:

      1. Slaughterer is a Muslim, adult/mature, smart, and intend to slaughter.
      2. Slaughterer must sharpen the tool before slaughtering, and slaughtering process is not performed in front of the animal to be slaughtered
      3. Before slaughtering an animal, the animal should be fed with enough food and water.
      4. When slaughtering, the slaughterer should mention the name of Allah first.
      5. Slaughtering should be done during the day.
      6. Slaughterer and slaughtered animals should face Qibla direction.
      7. Slaughterer should cut all the neck veins and make it fast.
      8. Slaughterer should treat the animals gently.
      9. The slaughtering should not be performed before other animals.
      10. Slaughterer should not skin the recently slaughtered animals until the body temperature cools down.
      11. Slaughterer should not pick an animal/ mother which still breast feeds its babies.
      12. It is forbidden to slaughter an animal which is still tied or confined.

      # It is forbidden to hit an animal or brand on the face.

      (taken from the ProFauna website)

    • Tell It Like It Is says:

      10:49am | 31/05/11

      There is very little else to be said. Great article.  And just because there are worse or similar forms of cruelty does not diminish the seriousness of this one which clearly needs to be addressed. And all the countries about which we are speaking where the meat is exported are fundamentally if not exclusively Muslim countries. So the problem stems primarily from Muslim beliefs and Halal slaughtering of animals. Another example of hanging on to some primitive, ancient belief which for centuries no Muslim has been allowed to re-examine or re-think. A very dangerous state of mind for any individual or group of humans. And I for one would like the government to insist on packaging which tells me which meat has been slaughtered according to Halal method because I don’t want to have to buy it.

    • HappyCynic says:

      12:13pm | 31/05/11

      Kind of ignorant aren’t you.  Both Jewish and Muslim slaughterers in developed nations have worked bloody hard to ensure the animals they kill are done so with the minimal amount of cruelty involved from the time they arrive at the slaughterhouse to the time they are slaughtered.  Which begs the question why is it people b*tch and moan about Halal meat but refuse to criticise Kosher meat when the 2 practices are almost identical?

      If you weren’t so one-eyed and actually cared about the welfare of the animals themselves instead of pushing your ridiculous bigotry at every oppourtunity you’d level your accusations at all religious practices of slaughtering meat.

      As for being so “concerned” about not eating Halal meat, stick with your pigs or kangaroo meat.  Neither animal is acceptable to either Jews or Muslims so they can never be Halal or Kosher.  As for lamb or chicken, duck, goose, beef, etc.  Don’t buy from a kosher or halal butcher, problem solved.

    • HC is a tosser says:

      12:53pm | 31/05/11

      HC - you’re a tosser.  People should have every right to know how their meat, which they will consume, is killed, country of origin etc.  I totally agree with TILIS’s post.  Animal cruelty needs to stop.

    • Tell It Like It Is says:

      12:59pm | 31/05/11

      Not sure if you are responding to my comment but it’s the only one ‘here’. So /But if you are, you are the ignorant one, (Very UN-)Happy Cynic. The point is that Halal meat is being marketed without labelling, as in Coles, we are told. Regarding Kosher food, meat or otherwise, it is always labelled as such so the consumer has a choice.  I said nothing about extreme Muslims which is not true and I am most definitely NOT a bigot, unlike those Muslims who adhere to extreme religious beliefs. And why put “concerned” in quote marks as you have in your very angry comment. I didn’t even use that term. But I most definitely AM concerned about the welfare of these and other animals. You’re not only very angry but very presumptuous!

    • HappyCynic says:

      01:52pm | 31/05/11

      @Tell It Like It Is

      But you only took the opportunity to criticise the Halal slaughtering of animals, why not the Kosher slaughtering of animals when both practices are almost the same?  In fact it could be argued that since animals prepared for slaughter for Halal meat are stunned first in this country, whereas animals for Kosher meat are not, that the Halal slaughter is more humane.  Why single out one religion when you can have a crack at all of them?

      Also where is the evidence the meat you buy in Coles, for example, is Halal?  The only evidence I can find is that only a portion of meat is certified Halal and all of it is packaged as such complete with the appropriate certifications, in exactly the same way Kosher meat is packaged and sold.  Prove your assertions, back your claims up with evidence, and if you’re really concerned about cruelty to animals attack all of those who engage in the exact same acts you consider cruel otherwise be rightly called out for being a bigot.

    • Tell It Like It Is says:

      02:54pm | 31/05/11

      (UN)Happy Cynic, If Kosher meat is prepared in the same way then that too is wrong. No animal should suffer unnecessarily. As for telling me to “stick with your pigs and kangaroo”, what a strange comment. Nothing wrong with either of those. Even pigs have moved on since the middle ages. But I rarely buy or eat meat at all . Perhaps you’re consuming too much. But I remain confounded about the “bigot” accusation.

    • Dementer says:

      10:59am | 31/05/11

      Kinda funny how the government is concerned about how cows are killed but has no issue on how people could be mistreated with beating in Malaysia as asylum seeker.

      If you are going to whine about dead cows, you also need to whine about lab rats as they are horribly mistreated.

      There is no consitancy in animal rights.

    • St. Michael says:

      11:25am | 31/05/11

      Whoa! Don’t go there with lab rats, Dementer.  Australian practices on scientific experimentation are some of the most highly regimented and regulated in the world.  My sister worked as a microbiologist, and she’d tell me the stories of the things they had to do to make sure the animals didn’t suffer.

      You are straw manning, sir.

      And put it this way: unlike asylum seekers, the cows are not dripping with gold and mobile phones nor have sufficient funds to pay for their passage to another country for reasons of economic migration.  Get real.

    • Dementer says:

      01:01pm | 31/05/11

      I take it then your sister doesnt do Toxicology testing then. of course you are meant to halt the test and kill the animals if anycontinuing signs of severe pain or distress are noted.

      Generally toxicolgy test are rated acute,subchronic, chronic . I think that animals feel severe discomfort at acute and you dont get to chronic by some short cut. Basically every body knows it happens but its the outcome justifies the means. Best left unsaid I guess.

      I think you live in a bubble if you think that many animals have to live with a great deal of pain for science and cosmetic companies.

      The things is we rate animals on looks most people dont mind killing a rat or a ugly frog, a dog or a cat is a bit iffy. Whale or dolphine big no no. monkey or a cuddly koala no go zone. 

      Most people here are claim a false outrage as they tuck into thier grain feed, fedlot steak. How do you think moslems eat ? Its not a humane way to go but its to much of a non PC thing to say so people give it a wide berth.

    • Andrew says:

      11:12am | 31/05/11

      Gee whiz, we are turning into a bunch of softies. It has been less than 50 years of human life that we have sought to humanely kill animals at large scale abattoirs. We went for hundreds of thousands of years hunting in which animals died more terribly than what happens today in Indonesia. Just because Australia is an advanced nation, we do have expectations that other nations will catch up to us at some point. But it is niaive in the extrme to believe the whole world advances its civilsation in lock-step.

    • Edwwrd James says:

      12:10pm | 31/05/11

      I suspect Andrew, you do not have a lot of experience with hunting. Do not worry about your expectations hunters have a higher standard than those who use the channeled,..  inhabitance

    • Socrates of The Hills (NSW) says:

      01:30pm | 31/05/11

      What about those damn Aborigines on Centrelink benefits out in the bush. Spearing, boomeranging to death the poor cute little koalas, lizards, emus that cant fly and cute little joeys straight out of their mothers’ pouches. When are we gunna prosceute them for animal cruelty and bestiality. They even spear the cute dugong up on the Barrier Reef and cause the death of both the dugong and the reef !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Concerned Top Ender says:

      11:28am | 31/05/11

      ‘To run the northern herd for Indonesia, we burn huge areas of the top end every year in massive conflagrations to prevent reforestation and the drawing down of any of that carbon from our coal burning’ .... Have you ever been on a large scale top end cattle property?  You need to get your facts straight before you start mouthing off at the producers.  A lot of the burning is also done straight after the wet to prevent the huge hot fires that ruin the landscape and natural forests at the end of the dry season. These fires are naturally started by lightening during the build up.  They also burn to prevent being ‘burnt out’ later in the year by the ‘locals’.  Once upon a time the whole land would of been burnt each year through lightening fires and nothing (roads)  or no-one to stop them

      All of Australia’s major beef companies implement some of the most advanced animal treatment practices in the world.  You saw the cattle on Newcastle Waters on TV.  Look how quiet they were!  Did you also notice in the background the natural open plains?  Believe it or not there are some parts of Australia that just does not grow many trees. 

      Top end large scale farming practices are sustainable and well managed.

      There may be some that are not following best practices (but they wont be in business long) but I encourage you to check you facts before lumping us all the same boat.

    • Geoff Russell says:

      12:34pm | 31/05/11

      There’s a lot of mythology surrounding what is and isn’t natural in the top-end and about how many fires will be caused by lightening if areas are allowed to reforest.  Sure, not everywhere will reforest. I never said it would.  But the satellites and the lightning maps are finally telling the
      real story. The changing rain fall pattern are also already changing the top end.

      But is it me or did everybody else notice that you avoided the main issue entirely?  Cattle producers have a choice. They either sell to the Indonesian trade and profit from the abuse(s), or they don’t.  4C reported a couple who were pulling out. The rest are happy to profit from having their animals tortured.

    • Concerned Top Ender says:

      01:56pm | 31/05/11

      How do you know the rest are happy to profit from torture?  Have you contacted them all to ask if they are continuing with exporting to Indonesia?  4C did not interview all the big companies or big cattle stations and I am yet to see press releases from them (Ag companies) regarding this footage.  Do not think that just because they raise animals for slaughter they want to see any animal tortured.  There is a huge difference between slaughter and torture. 

      What was shown by 4C was unacceptable behaviour.  It was horrific at the least and I know that producers had no knowledge of these practices before last night.  Obviously something has to be done but to say that we are all continuing to profit from torture - when you have no knowledge of our decisions or how our cattle are marketed -  is a bull sh*t generalistic comment.

    • Justin says:

      11:31am | 31/05/11

      If the government plays this one smartly, they could actually deliver a policy win.

      If they ban live exports to Indonesia, the flood of beef on to the local market could drive down the cost of living by reducing beef prices. Win-win!

    • JR says:

      11:37am | 31/05/11

      Your comment:I am a Beef Cattle producer which means Geoff Russell hates me even though I do not sell cattle to live export.I am however responsible according to him for Global warming,deforestation,colon and bowel cancer,all types of animal cruelty and anything else that is bad in the world.It is a bit inflammatory to call those cattle producers (who sell cattle to the exporter,who sells to the feedlot, who sells to the slaughterhouse)“human scum”.Geoff,why dont you buy a plane ticket and go to Indonesia and tell the slaughtermen face to face that they are “human scum”.At least you are telling the correct people.No I dont think you will because that is not your problem,it is the beef cattle industry that is your problem and any way you can discredit it you will.However the conditions and cruelty at the abbatoirs shown were disgraceful and there should be an immediate ban on these facilities processing Australian beef.But please Geoff before you pass judgment on us,consider where your last vegan meal came from.Was it from land that was cleared?Was it from a country that doesn’t treat its workers fairly or pays them poorly?Were some animals made extinct by the growing of these crops?It is your responsibility to find these things out before you eat next,just as it is mine to find out(as I did last night).I will never sell an animal to an Indonesian Live Exporter unless I can be sure their practices are acceptable.

    • Tchom says:

      11:47am | 31/05/11

      After watching Madeleine Parry’s documentary, and after Mark Zuckerberg’s new lifestyle, I decided to only eat what I kill myself. Unfortuantely I was stopped becuase APPARENTLY wombats are endangered

    • Peter says:

      11:50am | 31/05/11

      The mistreatment of the animals depicted on 4 Corners was indeed horrific and the Australian government should make immediate representations to the Indonesian government to halt these practices forthwith. But to make comparisons to “the acquiescence that allowed the Holocaust” is stupid and offensive.  Cruelty to aniimals is appalling, but to compare it to genocide is idiotic and only serves as an unnecessary distraction.

    • Kika says:

      11:52am | 31/05/11

      Unfortunately Geoff most people don’t care enough to really give a damn how other countries let alone our own kill and butcher their meat. As long as it’s there on the supermarket shelves and it tastes good who cares how it got there.

      Meat eating and the reliance on it is the number 1 reason for environmental degradation - carbon inclusive. Producing meat is the most wasteful and polluting industry. 80% of the worlds grain and cereal production is sent straight down the gobs of our stock animals where that same amount of resource could be used to feed the starving. We cut down forests (i.e. think of Brazil’s dependance on beef production vs Amazon protection), pollute and dry up fresh water resources all for production of meat which everyone eats way too much of.

      The whole process is wasteful. Not only just to raise the animals, but the transportation of them to slaughter, the slaughter houses, the production and putting them on nice pieces of styrofoam, the transportation to market, the transportation to your home… list goes on.

      The single easiest way we can all reduce our carbon footprint is to reduce the amount of meat you eat. The meat industry hates it when you remind them of their industry’s carbon dependance (not to mention methane produced from the animals… Ruminators are gassy!). But it’s true. Eat less meat, save some carbon. Easy.

    • MichelleK says:

      12:29pm | 31/05/11

      Let’s not forget that a large percentage of all fish stock taken from our already depleted oceans is also fed to livestock!

    • John D says:

      12:46pm | 31/05/11

      So Kika vegan food doesn’t get transported.And while you are at it name the foods you have eaten today that were grown on uncleared land?You have no idea do you.

    • Kika says:

      01:15pm | 31/05/11

      John D don’t be daft. A soybean eaten by a human requires less energy and resources than a soybean solely grown to be eaten by a cow.

      Did I say go Vegan. No. I eat meat. Twice a week - meat on the weekend and a piece of fish during the week. The rest is vegetarian. People are eating more and more meat than ever before. And the environment is copping it.

    • Tchom says:

      02:00pm | 31/05/11

      But its sooooo tasty

    • Biteme says:

      10:59pm | 31/05/11

      Kika, you have a very good point. Look at all the land cleared for raising meat. It must consume so much to get a steak to us.

    • Enrico says:

      11:52am | 31/05/11

      Five or Six dozen H Bombs should do the trick.

    • Dieter Moeckel says:

      12:20pm | 31/05/11

      Kevin says: 10:47am | 31/05/11 Yep agree!
      It’s all Gillard’s and Bligh’s fault because they will bring in Sharia Law because Brown wants it to accompany the Carbon Tax etc etc etc.
      I’ve seen locals here cut an animals throat and let it run around until it bleeds out - ever been to the sheep or pig slaughter yards - their throats are simply cut - or chicken factories in the US where the chooks are dipped into a salt water bath with an electric current that stuns less than half of them before their throats are slashed by mechanical knives or plucked before they are actually dead - have you ever seen a fish, a prawn or a crab suffocate in the open air of a fisherman’s dinghy.
      Its all the same - great expressions of horror at what you see and acceptance of what you don’t see - I’ll intrude a novel topic the boat people are also just that the 1% of asylum seekers we see rather than the invisible 99%.
      Muslims are not all cruel mutilators of animals at slaughter but like the kittens and rabbits that are declawed to blood grey hounds in Australia a very few incidents of cruelty seem to send bleeding hearts into a frenzy and include entire populations. Not all Australian are Ivan Milats for example the majority of back packers are safe.
      Of course my analogies aren’t the best in the world - don’t bother to castigate me I have the skin of a Rhino in public forums - I only bleed in private.

    • Anjuli says:

      12:28pm | 31/05/11

      My husband and myself saw the first cattle to be slaughtered and turned the TV off as we knew what was to come, as the same thing with sheep was shown some time ago in the middle east . Just could not watch such cruelty.,after the animals had lived their lives in such good conditions before ,why would any one with a conscious let this happen.If Indonesia wants our meat then let it be killed in our country stop all live trade now.

    • M is for Moderation says:

      12:35pm | 31/05/11

      ?ab??ah (?????????) is the prescribed method of slaughtering all animals excluding fish and most sea-life per Islamic law. This method of slaughtering animals consists of using a well sharpened knife to make a swift, deep incision that cuts the front of the throat, the carotid artery, wind pipe and jugular veins but leaves the spinal cord intact.[2] The objective of this technique is to cause the animal to lose consciousness as quickly as possible by cutting the oxygen flow to the brain and therefore inflict the least pain on the animal (Wikipedia)

      You’ll probably notice that this is the way traditional European farmers have been killing their animals for centuries. I seem to remember Jamie Oliver doing it in Italy in one of his shows.
      What was seen on that program on Four Corners had nothing to do with Halal meat, so can we stop the Muslim bashing? What we saw were ignorant, uneducated people from a third-world country who simply do not care about animal welfare.It’s vile, wrong and needs to be stopped obviously but religion has nothing to do with the matter.

    • Lisa H. says:

      04:51pm | 31/05/11

      When I hear that the animal is to be killed by a cut across the throat, I envision a rather grandiose single sweep of the blade… alas, the average kill involves 10 or more - even more than 30 - cuts and hacks with the knife into the throat of a still-living animal.
      That IS barbaric.
      Surely such a clumsy butchery is not part of the Islamic vision.

    • Aussie Wazza says:

      12:35pm | 31/05/11

      Like everywhere there is a snobbery in Indonesia that KNOWS that imported meat, meat that has been killed, processed and packed in Australia is superior to that handled locally.

      World wide this attitude prevails; Made elsewhere = is better.

      The people eating this meat can afford it and WILL PAY MORE for Australian processed meat.

      The products I sold in Asia won just because of the label and seal on the bottle against the SAME product sent in bulk and packed there.

      Not only for the snobbery but because they know the standards in their country. Visit any wet market in Asia and you will see what I say is right.

      Local processing exists because arseholes there profit from it. These profits would finish if the killing there ceased.

      Beasts could be and are killed here using the hokus pokus they demand.

      Surely prepacking the meat here then shipping full containers would end up cheaper that live beasts. 100% edible instead of 50%* of a beast that needs more feeding, space and handling.

      *I’m not aware of the actual percentage of a beast that finishes up as edible meat; i.e. Muscle, offel, and what is waste. I understand hides and bones are used, but still think that Australian processed and labeled would succeed.

      We would win with increased work here and our consciences placated. (And I would be game to eat meat there).

    • Get Real says:

      12:46pm | 31/05/11

      I saw Four Corners last night and all I can say is I am absolutely disgusted and ashamed to be Australian. If even Temple Grandin, a world expert on cattle and who designed over half of America’s cattle slaughterhouses was appalled and shocked that Australia is doing this, there is something seriously wrong. If the government has any credibility left at all they would end this brutal trade now.

    • Jon says:

      01:26pm | 31/05/11

      I have more concern for the animals than a silly religious tradition of dubious origins. Why should the cows face Mecca this just plain insane, has nobody told this violent cult that cows are non-believers? They should be killed in the most painless way possible regardless.

      The ABC did a good job for once by not being so worried about offending Mohammedans.

    • Paul C says:

      01:32pm | 31/05/11

      Screw their stupid Halal requirements! - just to please their non-existent Sky Fairies. Ban all exports to these barbaric countries.  The government should also ban Halal practices here, this cruel process is not just limitted to Isamic Countries, it is happening here as well.

    • Del says:

      01:39pm | 31/05/11

      Islam is Evil - End of…

    • kylie says:

      11:51pm | 02/06/11

      those barbaric practices have nothing to do with Islam

    • Joel says:

      01:52pm | 31/05/11

      This is exactly how Halal meat is slaughtered here in Australia!  Nobody seems worried about that?  Even the RSPCA says it’s ok.  So what’s the difference if it’s done here or in Indonesia?  The animals still suffer terribly either way.  Halal should be banned for it’s inhumane treatment of animals.

    • kylie says:

      11:48pm | 02/06/11

      It is not exactly how meat is slaughtered here in Aus

    • Justin Roberts says:

      01:59pm | 31/05/11

      Lets get something straight, we all agree that what they do in the slaughter houses is disgusting and terrible, killing an animal for excess of 10-15 mins and having it traumatised and bleeding to death. this is wrong and the farmers of NT, QLD and WA in no way support this. lets look at the alternative, a glorious ‘‘natural death’‘, all peaceful and in the wild, all that nice mushy stuff, right?
      Natural Death:
      1. The animal becomes sick, probably form drinking water with water born diseases, eating a weed or a sickness past on form other cattle.
      2. after 1 week of getting worse it becomes delirious, it stops eating and drinking, if its a female its calf died long ago, its sick and dehydrated.
      3. it collapses from it sickness, its to weak to move.
      4. the meat ants find it, still alive and conscious. they start to crawl up its nostrils, mouth, eyes and any open cuts.
      5. they begin eating away at the dying carcass, slowly from the inside out. millions of tiny mouths eating the animal at once.
      6. after three days it dies.
      Of course we want animals to be killed humanly (with a stun gun), but for those who want to ban live export all together, thats the alternative, 20mins or 8 days. i know which one i would choose.

    • Matthew says:

      02:06pm | 31/05/11

      Everyone is missing the bigger picture.

      Lets for a moment imagine Australia suspends all export of live cattle to Indonesia.  The unfortunate reality is that the appaulling practices will continue on other livestock, regardless of where it orginates from.

      Given the Australian government has a vested interest in ensuring the export trade continues, any reasonable person would feel that better training, equipment and the manner in which cattle is handled is essential.

      Stopping our export of live cattle does not resolve the situation.
      That would only be a easy out of sight, out of mind solution.

    • justin roberts says:

      02:39pm | 31/05/11

      Perfect response. Matthew has hit the nail on the head. Our industry will continue to fight against these practices, but other asian exportes will ignore it and do nothing.

    • Jade says:

      03:06pm | 31/05/11

      We have already trained them, provided them with equipment and shown them how to do it correctly and it still hasn’t been done. We can still export meat, it just won’t be live.

    • Jay says:

      02:10pm | 31/05/11

      Sometimes you have to take a stand and this is one of the ocassions. All live cattle shipments should cease immediately. If Indonesia or whatever other country we deal with wishes to do business elsewhere then so be it.
      Muslims in Australia enjoy Halal food and there does not seem to be any problem.

    • Mary Bear says:

      02:21pm | 31/05/11

      No animal should be shipped live from Australia.  Keep the meat processing industry here and give Aussies the jobs.  Most parts of the world (and we all know where), show scant respect for either human or animal life so let’s at least lead by example.  Moving the shipping of live animals in WA from Fremantle Harbour to Kwinana some years ago, was an ideal way of getting this barbaric industry out of sight, out of mind for the average person in Perth.  The only meat to leave our shores should be from humanely slaughtered animals and then packed/frozen.  Lyn White has battled on for years.  Let’s hope she finally achieves her objective!  Good on her!

    • Humans are superior says:

      02:22pm | 31/05/11

      More misanthropic garbage from the loony lefties at the ABC. And Geoff Russell you are a complete dickhead.

    • Daniel says:

      05:18pm | 31/05/11

      Are you saying you condone this garbage going on there?

    • jo says:

      02:36pm | 31/05/11

      Firstly I am a vegetarian, And didn’t watch this show on ABC, as I don’t believe in killing animals for food, which is bad enough, and to watch animals been abused is more than i can stand.

      Some of these comments show a lack of empathy for animals that are treated badly, and really shows how cruel, some people can be, in their lack of empathy for a defencless animal.

      A cow, a pig, ect. if treated humanly, would be just as intelligent and friendly as a cat or a dog. Enjoy you meat dinner, but remember that food has been brought to your table, by violence to a defencless animal that sleeps, eats ,has babies and feels pain and fright just as we do. spin it any way you like, but slaughtering animals is a mean, and disgusting thing,  but we don’t get to see, that side everything is neatly packaged at the supermarket.
      I can understand meat eaters justifaction for their closing their eyes to the disgusting, cramming animals in cages, their short misrable life spans, their horrific death, in order for them to be able to have their meat.

    • bikinis on top says:

      02:39pm | 31/05/11

      where is the animal liberation movement? where is Linda Stoner?
      Nobody and nothing wants to be tortured even for “twenty pieces of silver”.

    • Marilyn Shepherd says:

      02:57pm | 31/05/11

      Yet there was no outrage about Africans bonded to slavery to pick vegetables in Spain for the eaters of Germany, until the Germans started to die this week.  The Africans of course went hungry.

      There is no outrage that Australia is paying Indonesia hundreds of millions to jail innocent victims of two wars we started and they are tortured, beaten, left hungry in rat infested hell holes, become prostitutes to survive or kill themselves and not a squeak out of any ALP members about trading other human beings to Malaysia to be caned just because they dared to exercise their right to peace and hope.

      No outrage that a young man kills himself after fleeing the Taliban and his 10 year old brother has to brave Kabul to collect his body because the boy they said was a Pakistani and was denied protection it seems was really an Afghan so Pakistan would not accept his body.

      A friend and I had an attempt at satire after the attention paid to the dead sheep on the MV Cormo, as a descendent of hundreds of years of farmers animals do not come before humans.

      Those sheep
      by Kate Wildermuth, Marilyn Shepherd and Anon. from Armidale
      September - October 2003
      Let’s move forward to the next election campaign. Is it possible that now the flow of asylum seekers has dried up the Howard Government will turn it’s attention to sheep?

      We can picture the campaign:

      The sheep will be accused of throwing their lambs overboard. The government will say that they have photos and a video as absolute proof it happened. We’ll be told that these are not the type of sheep to be allowed into Australia. There will be statements such as ‘they will never set hoof on our shores’.

      They’ll be accused of being queue jumping sheep. What about all the other sheep in the sheep camps waiting to be allowed in?

      They’ll claim that if we take these sheep we’ll be swamped by thousands of others wanting to come here. Merino Vanstone will present statistics to show that Australia is the most generous of all towards refugee sheep.

      The sheep will be attacked for not having passports and proper documentation or having thrown it overboard.

      We’ll be told that it is cruel to allow the sheep out of detention on the ship so they can do what normal lambs do. Merino Vanstone will say the detention of the lambs is for their own good so they won’t be disappointed when she locks them up again.

      We’ll be told that locking them up is necessary because it will deter others.

      They’ll say that these sheep paid sheeple smugglers. They must be wealthy sheep. Genuine sheep don’t pay smugglers.

      We’ll hear how a plane flew directly over the boat containing the sheep but saw nothing.

      The sheep will be accused of being potential terrorists with links to Osama Baa Laden.

      They’ll say these sheep could not possibly love their lambs. Why on earth would they not stay on a strife torn farm if they loved them?

      We’ll be told they could be hiding weapons under their wool.

      The media will be told not to photograph them or it will sheepify them.

      We’ll be told that they only had lambs to blackmail the government.

      NZ will take them - they can’t get enough of ‘em.

      They’ll be accused of trying to take advantage of our limited grass and then bleating to the elite.

      The government will ram it home that they are so baaaaad that most of them will get the chop anyway and not to listen to the woolly thinking of the sheepitarians.

      Most Australians will follow like ...yep, you guessed it.

      And absolutely no-one will tell the PM.

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      03:34pm | 31/05/11

      At least the sheep will pay their own way and not be leaching of the welfare system after 5 years…...

    • mel says:

      03:38pm | 31/05/11

      Because she doesn’t listen?

    • Edward James says:

      06:35pm | 31/05/11

      Both sides of our parliament over many years have accommodated this animal abuse. What has been exposed by the ABC is an indictment of our elected representatives from the top to the bottom it included the two parties not much preferred. Tonight we have been told the live export of cattle to Indonesia has stopped. So lets now hear from those politicians who have turned a blind eye. Edward James

    • Lisa H. says:

      03:53pm | 31/05/11

      Can we also talk about farmer cruelty in Australia?

      My husband has seen with his own eyes the cruelty inflicted by farming families who choose to attempt to extract a calf from a birthing dairy cow - BY TRACTOR - rather than call a vet.

      The broken pelvis in the cow, the dead or broken calf.
      Surely, farmers attempting to extract calves from cows is one the most barbaric act that can be dreamed of or inflicted on a farming animal.

      The RSPCA needs get involved and educate and prevent farmers from attempting extractions - preferably at all, but if no vet is available, intensive training and equipment should be available!

      After giving birth ‘naturally’ without drugs myself, I feel very strongly about this cruelty issue for dairy cows.

    • stephen says:

      10:02pm | 31/05/11

      I don’t know how you would even consider yourself giving birth to a tractor.
      Do nappies make good oil-trays ?

    • Daniel says:

      04:22pm | 31/05/11

      I watched 4 corners today in my lunch break. These indionesians need to be treated how they treated our poor cattle. Utter disgust at them and the MLA and the Australian Government.

    • michael j says:

      06:55pm | 31/05/11

      @-WELL all things being equal i did not see 4 corners report,it will be nothing new just a rehash of what has being going on in the stock trade for at lest 30 yrs,,the clips i saw of the 4 corners show seemed to me to be about very unskilled and no doubt poorllyy paid workers trying to get a job done where they had had no training done at all and did not have a ciue what to do ,the frustration from this was obvious,they clearly have a need for a rebuilding of their killing floors and more training,,but who should pay for this not the hard done by Cattle King who left Australian meatworkers behind 25 years ago i hope you all end up with a paddock of buttons,,,But i would not go as far as the Author’s scaremongering with piles of Dental Gold glinting in the corner ,that was uncalled for,,,,like these olde comments
      for 20 yrs i did the killing part and i left a comment a few months back that calves seem to cry just b/4 they die while a few of us talk about it but have no theory on it,
      Christen Lady wanted my mate to sign a petition against HALAL products not being labelled in supermarkets so i came home and looked some things up,,,40 years ago where i worked got a contract to supply meat to Israel but the killing had to be done by Jewish priests
      a lot of changes had to be made to the killing area so the beast could be held down so they could cut their throat while alive after they had done this the beast was hauled onto the rail and still had to be bleed by one of our blokes,,,,While i know HALAL was done that way they now let the works use stunner’s like earmuffs as long as they haven’t been used on pigs,,as long as the heart is still beating they are satisfied the animal is still alive,,with the heart still beating it can pump out more of the blood
      personally like most heathens i don’t mind a bit of blood on the bar-BBQ,,,

    • maryellen says:

      08:38pm | 31/05/11

      This has to be the most half-witted comment…...........Are you sort of showing off,  michael?  Look at me!  Look at me! Just like a silly girl

    • michael j says:

      10:18pm | 31/05/11

      @maryellen-what part don’t you like ,,it’s all facts with no bull-shit,,oohh
      maybe the bit about the dental gold was a bit off ,,sorry ,,smiles,,,,
      and i do miss the olde trade,,but the Sound of the CALF’S crying before they DIE still wakes me in the middle of the night,,,,,,,,,,

    • maryellen says:

      10:47pm | 31/05/11

      michael,  the showing-off.  You’re probably nice -  apart from the showing-off

    • michael j says:

      12:57am | 01/06/11

      @maryellen-thanks—lots of smiles,,just don’t get me started on m/cycles
      broken necks or being addicted to nicotine,,,,lol

    • Kylie says:

      07:35pm | 31/05/11

      We should have Halal labeling where are the Greens when you need them or even PETA? If we are concerned about wood chips would hurt to ban 7th century cruelty in our food production? And don’t give me this poor Islam rubbish they are the biggest most powerful force in the world, it’s all crazy myths. Go to you tube and search halal horrors or the taste of multiculturalism to see how bad the problem is in the UK. I am not racist - Islam is not a race it is a cruel ideology and we should have a right to call out cruelty without the pathetic use of the race card. Let’s be sensible say no to halal.

    • thatmosis says:

      07:42pm | 31/05/11

      Actually I regularly kill my own meat, bullet to the head, cut the throat, hang to bleed out and chop away with the trusty chainsaw. Dress the meat and hang for a while to allow the juices to really start to work then cook slowly on a skillet until browned on both sides and red in the middle. A few mushies and an egg or two, some home grown potatoes, beans and carrots and a feast fit for a king. I dont get maudalin about the livestock, they are bred to be eaten and have names which people realise what their future will be, like T Bone, Sirloin etc. You poor insignificant people amuse me, save this and save that . How about getting off your collective arses and actually doing something instead of being armchair critics of people you know nothing about. I dont shop at Woolies and I do kill my own meat and grow my own vegies and live on 100% solar, supply my own water whilst the majority of you will probably live on store bought food from who knows where, pay through the nose for water and electricity whilst complaining about the CO2 levels and do nothing but take up valuable oxygen that others could use.

    • michael j says:

      01:13am | 01/06/11

      @thatmosis-mate what r u doing taking a chainsaw to something you are going to eat ,, apology,,, you are talking about down the backbone to cut it in half ,still i hope you are using a saw without a self oiling chain-bar,,don’t want to spoil the good bits,,arr well all the best to ya,and hav an extra mushie for me ,,,

    • loulou says:

      07:51pm | 31/05/11

      Were you drunk when you keyed all this blather?  Twit.

    • paul says:

      08:44pm | 31/05/11

      loulou, you’ll be meaning @michael j for juvenile ?
      Not drunk, just not 100%/slow/underdone, you might say

    • michael j says:

      11:22pm | 31/05/11

      @paul-and whats your prob ,carn’t cut the head off a lettuce without
      going through a box of Kleenex ,,i fought for years against the live exporting
      stock,,i will always be against it when its not done properly which is what
      we warned of well over 20 years ago,,a good number of those workers in 4 coners probly just had a lunch of live monkey brains,,,don’t let the FACTS fool ya son ,,sometimes its better to look for the truth,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    • stephen says:

      09:31pm | 31/05/11

      The Jews aren’t/weren’t meat, or is this Pete Singer’s whole premise ?

    • Biteme says:

      10:39pm | 31/05/11

      It seems there are some who want us to believe the common farmer would be effected to stop live exports of cattle.
      Well research the connection between Macquarie Bank, Terra Firma and James Packer and cattle stations. Any culture or religion that treats animals like this will never get my respect.
      It’s a disgusting story of greed which capitalizes on religious stupidity.

    • Oracle says:

      10:58pm | 31/05/11

      Which Western nation would export Cattle to Indonesia after Australia banned sending cattle over to them? None would, because there would be a public outcry there also.
      And if non-Western nations end up doing it, then that is on their back and we can use this example when those self-loathing PC types sarcastically asks for an example of Western exceptionalism.

    • Debra says:

      11:21pm | 31/05/11

      That poor, poor animal, shivering with fear, knowing its terrible fate. I just wanted to hold it and say I’m sorry. I’m so sorry.

      It has to stop now. Don’t tell me the cattlemen will suffer. Most of them looked like millionaires.

    • Frances says:

      07:13am | 01/06/11

      Geoff Russell is completely wrong on a number of points. How he can be so ignorant raises serious questions about anything he writes.
      Firstly, palm oil cake is a by-product of palm oil production. The forest is cleared and palm oil grown to provide the palm oil for THE PEOPLE,  and for biofuel the renewable energy people are so passionate about.
      Secondly, cattle producers in the north do not burn their properties to clear forest. This is previsely the opposite of what happens, you berk. They put in firebreaks and fight fires so it doesn’t burn because the cattle eat the grass and if you burn it they can’t eat it. Properties in northern Australia have significant scrub thickening because of these reduced fires. They are growing forest, not burning it. But you’ll never read about that in the Australian media, who somehow believe all of Australia is like NSW.
      Incidentally, the hot fires in North Australia are mostly on Aboriginal land or come from Aboriginal land, because it is not being managed. 
      Even if ‘the rich’ in Indonesia eat beef, I would respectfully suggest that compared to most of the people posting here, they are not rich at all.

    • Cheryl Louise says:

      08:09am | 01/06/11

      Those poor cows- it makes me feel like never going back to Indonesia

    • Kate says:

      10:10am | 01/06/11

      I’m not sure that I understand. It is terrible to see cattle treated in this manner but it is OK for us to send boat people to Malaysia?

    • Ms T, Robinson says:

      10:54am | 01/06/11

      I could only watch half of the 4Corners doco on the Cattle Trade, as it made me sick to my stomach & i’m a fairly tough woman who can look & watch anything, but this just made me absolutely disgusted & it made me ashamed to be an Aussie! Why, after 10 years, is this still going on? The Australian Government is obviously far too interested in the money that they are getting to step up on this issue. I realise the Indonesian Cattle Trade is worth quite alot.  Why can’t the cattle be killed here in Australia, where we know for a fact that it is done humanely, & then ship the meat overseas frozen. It is still fresh meat even if it is frozen. Clearly money is far more important to the Government, than the welfare & cruelty to these animals!

    • Get Real says:

      08:43pm | 02/06/11

      So what you’re saying is we should lower our standards to meat ants?? And you’re saying if live export was banned cattle would be killed by meat ants?? Also how can a carcass be dying??

    • Sharon says:

      10:02pm | 03/06/11

      Great article Geoff - thanks! It’s all about CHOOSING to do less harm. For each other, animals and our environment. That’s why I’ve been vegetarian for 16 amazingly healthy years (vegan for the past 10).

      PS.  A couple of appropriate food for thought quotes:

      Lisa: “Do we have any food that wasn’t brutally slaughtered?”
      Homer: “Well, I think the veal died of loneliness.”
      ~Matt Groening, The Simpsons

      Very little of the great cruelty shown by men can really be attributed to cruel instinct. Most of it comes from thoughtlessness or inherited habit. The roots of cruelty, therefore, are not so much strong as widespread. But the time must come when inhumanity protected by custom and thoughtlessness will succumb before humanity championed by thought. Let us work that this time may come. ~Albert Schweitzer

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      07:29pm | 14/06/11

      I love this page it’s bloody fantastic!

 

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