Two seconds. That’s the difference between Ian Thorpe’s old 200m freestyle world record and the current world mark. With or without wacky swimsuits, swimming has moved on, and fast, since the Thorpedo quit in 2006.

Thorpe himself has said his most meaningful work has been done in pools like this rather than Olympic ones.

Yet it seems almost certain that at noon, Ian Thorpe will announce a return to competitive swimming. After all, he’s hardly going to call a big press conference to say “Nup, staying retired. Nothing to see here.”

The question is: will Thorpe be able to cut it at the London 2012 Olympics if he returns?

Most sportsmen who make comebacks do so because they find life deeply unfulfilling after their sporting careers. Somehow, the empty after-dinner speeches and commentary gigs – or god forbid, real jobs – just don’t cut it.

This is the really puzzling thing about a potential Thorpey comeback. Because Thorpe has been busy since retirement, primarily in meaningful ways.

When he’s not hocking god knows what to the Japanese or selling water that’s just like water but with extra watery Thorpey goodness, Thorpe is active as the figurehead of the Ian Thorpe’s Fountain For Youth.

Some prominent sportsmen have foundations which are little more than PR fronts, and which involve little more than the occasional meet-n-greet at a touchy feely event for sick kids, or some such.

But Thorpe is genuinely passionate about his causes, and in particular the welfare of indigenous Australians. In the last few years, he has spent more time on the ground in Central Australia than the guy who picks up the bits that fall off Qantas jets.

Here’s what he told me in September last year, when I interviewed him for the 10th anniversary of the Sydney Olympics.

It was 2003 when I first went into a remote Aboriginal community, and I felt my world had been turned upside down. I was shocked at how bad the living conditions were.

Fortunately, I met a wonderful woman called Milli Wanga who answered all my stupid questions. Even though I’d travelled a lot, I had made the same assumptions a lot of people make. This woman took me through every one of those assumptions. One thing she told me was that more Aboriginal people abstain from alcohol than non-indigenous Australians.

Thorpe went on to say that he was a great critic of the “intervention” instigated by the Howard government and carried on under Rudd. His line was that the intervention was too inflexible for communities with needs that require addressing on a case-by-case basis.

Long story short, Thorpe had a cause which he was passionate about. He even went so far as to say that the work of his foundation outweighed his Olympic achievements.

All of which brings us straight back to the question: why? Perhaps we’ll get answers at noon tomorrow.

The other obvious question is: how on earth can he hope to make up the ground on the likes of Michael Phelps, who inherited Thorpe’s 200m Athens crown at the Beijing Olympics?

One line of thought is that Thorpe might reinvent himself as a 100m freestyle sprinter, rather than a 400m and 200m man.

The shorter event is generally suited to older athletes, and Thorpe is 28 now. And people forget that Thorpe won gold in the 4x100m freestyle in Sydney and bronze in the individual 100m event in Athens. So he has some sprinting form.

For now, we should all hope that if Thorpe does make a comeback, it’s more Kim Clijsters than Tony Lockett. Because even though you’re a long time retired, you’re much longer retired with a diminished legacy.

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    • Steely Dan says:

      04:29pm | 01/02/11

      Thorpe might swim shorter distances?
      We runners tend to be comparatively more competitive over the longer stuff as we get older.  Does it work the other way in the pool?

    • Mark says:

      02:22pm | 02/02/11

      Carl Lewis won the 100m as a 23 and 27 year old and a long jump golds at 35.
      Linford Christie was 28 when he won 100m silver and 32 when he won gold.
      Maurice Greene was 26 when he won gold and 30 when he won bronze with the same time as his gold medal run.

      The last two winners have both been 22.

      The last man to win the marathon was also 22.

      Thorpe was a world champion at the 400m when he was 15.

      People in Power Sports tend to peak mid to late twenties.

      Sprinting is a power sport , whether it be swimming , running or cycling.

      Distance swimming ,running and cycling etc are not and tend to have younger champions than the power sports

    • Steely Dan says:

      05:06pm | 02/02/11

      @ Mark

      Are the longer (200m up) swimming events really still ‘power’ events?  I’m not denying you need to have a heckuva lot more muscle on you to swim 1500m at an elite level than to run it, but isn’t the endurance the primary factor?

    • swimmer says:

      07:43pm | 02/02/11

      Comparing swimming and athletics is like comparing chalk and cheese.  200m and 400m freestyle events are considered middle distance events in swimming. You generally need to be a lot fitter, leaner and put in a LOT more work to be a good middle distance swimmer than you have to to be a 100 or 50 swimmer.  This is why it is easier at an older age to come back to sprint swimming - you don’t need to do the big kilometres, can do more (significantly easier than pool work) gym training, and can afford to be a little heavier.

    • Maria says:

      07:54pm | 02/02/11

      I don’t really care if he makes a comeback. It’s not my call. It’s his life. And his comeback does not affect myself or my family in a bad way like a Cyclone would. His comeback is really not that important in the scheme of things is it.

    • Simo says:

      11:31pm | 02/02/11

      Why the hell not

    • simo says:

      11:33pm | 02/02/11

      Would’nt you with feet like his

    • Macca says:

      03:36am | 03/02/11

      Thorpe had money problems last year and needs the money… Telling us all he came up with his comeback idea flying Virgin… get me a bucket!

    • The Badger says:

      04:32pm | 01/02/11

      Nothing worse that a great sportsman making a comeback and failing miserably.
      But hey, if he can’t think of anything better to do with the next year and a half and wants to train and train and train, go for it.

      Me, I’d be playing golf and living the dream.

    • Scott says:

      01:10pm | 02/02/11

      Don’t forget who will be paying for his training. You, me and the average tax payer. Do you still want him to train and fail?

    • facepalm says:

      10:34pm | 02/02/11

      Which begs the question - why the hell are we bankrolling these dullards to begin with?

    • Budz says:

      04:44pm | 01/02/11

      Just ask Michael Schumacher what it’s like to come back from retirementand fail miserably!

    • Andrew says:

      06:16pm | 01/02/11

      Just ask The mighty Ron Barrasi what it is like to come back from retirementand (sic), epic pass.

    • bananabender says:

      08:29pm | 01/02/11

      No one can win an F1 race unless they have a competitive car.

      Scumacher was recruited as a lead driver to help build an uncompetitive team. He wasn’t expected to win any races.

    • Budz says:

      06:54am | 02/02/11

      @bananabender: That’s true but surely he was expected to beat his inexperienced team mate who had the same machinery. And to make things worse when Rosberg was doing really well, Schumacher asked for the car to be modified to suit his driving style, and then both drivers went badly!

    • Bear says:

      04:45pm | 01/02/11

      @Badger,You have never achieved anything like this guy has,go play your golf

    • The Badger says:

      05:02pm | 01/02/11

      How do you know what I’ve achieved cubby?
      You don’t know me.

    • Aitch B says:

      05:31pm | 01/02/11

      @The Badger

      Agreed….. cubby wouldn’t know.

      We can only guess, however….. smile

    • TimB says:

      05:42pm | 01/02/11

      Wow Badger.

      Tell us which world records you broke again?

    • The Badger says:

      07:14pm | 01/02/11

      What are you picking on me for? OR is it just habit?

      I didn’t say anything disparaging about Thorpe, he’s a legend.
      I just said it is rather sad when a champion makes a comeback and fails. I didn’t say he was going to fail. My thoughts are that it take a lot of hard work - at least 18 months to get to Olympic fitness. And for what?
      Thorpe has nothing to prove.
      Why not enjoy the past glory and go out on top?

      Surely there is something else in his life besides swimming morning noon and night?

      Consider this:

      The time you won your town the race
      We chaired you through the market-place;
      Man and boy stood cheering by,
      And home we brought you shoulder-high.

      Today, the road all runners come,
      Shoulder-high we bring you home,
      And set you at your threshold down,
      Townsman of a stiller town.

      Smart lad, to slip betimes away
      From fields where glory does not stay,
      And early though the laurel grows
      It withers quicker than the rose.

      Eyes the shady night has shut
      Cannot see the record cut,
      And silence sounds no worse than cheers
      After earth has stopped the ears:

      Now you will not swell the rout
      Of lads that wore their honours out,
      Runners whom renown outran
      And the name died before the man.

      So set, before its echoes fade,
      The fleet foot on the sill of shade,
      And hold to the low lintel up
      The still-defended challenge-cup.

      And round that early-laurelled head
      Will flock to gaze the strengthless dead,
      And find unwithered on its curls
      The garland briefer than a girl’s.

      You lot are a sad bunch, living and breathing the political fire. Why don’t you go run for office and make a difference?

    • Jim says:

      06:53am | 02/02/11

      “The Badger says:07:14pm | 01/02/11

      What are you picking on me for? OR is it just habit?”

      LMAO!!!!!

      The trolliest of grubby little trolls crying??? Maybe you should ask NicoleG that! Big man…

    • shane says:

      07:12am | 02/02/11

      wow, he used to swim real good, and it looks like he wants to again. Big contribution to the world. Feel free to rip into me with the usual drivel about “what have you done” blah blah blah. My self opinion isn’t dependent upon being seen to have achieved something by the rest of the race.  Particularly when it involves performing some arbitrary activity faster then most others.

    • The Badger says:

      08:07am | 02/02/11

      Excellent jim
      feeling better about yourself now?

    • Adam Diver says:

      09:39am | 02/02/11

      Don’t know about Jim, but badger I am loving it. It probably lost some context in the typed word but boy did it come across as pathetic.

    • Tracker says:

      12:25pm | 02/02/11

      Badgers are very mean territorial animals that like fighting wink

    • Jim says:

      05:59pm | 02/02/11

      Tracker, I’d imagine the Troll variety of Badger would tuck its tail between its legs and skulk away, squeaking like a frightened guinea pig if he was faced with a fight that was more than just words on a computer screen!

    • The Badger says:

      08:59pm | 02/02/11

      Actually jim
      A troll variety of The Badger would always deliver you a knockout.

      Tip to the wise
      Don’t lead with your chin like you usually do.

    • facepalm says:

      09:41pm | 02/02/11

      I’m going to have to side with The Badger and shane on this one. But only because I regard sporting achievements as, well, bloody insignificant in the scheme of things (as shane so succinctly pointed out).

      As for the subject of Thorpe - well, he should only be allowed back in the pool if he cuts the bollocks about being “hungry for competition” (or however the hell he worded it). I suspect his comeback has more to do with him being just plain “hungry” as a result of his total lack of planning for his future after sport (a plight which befalls a great many sporting “heroes”).

    • Jim says:

      10:14pm | 02/02/11

      First time you’ve ever made me laugh there Weasel smile Good job!

    • Bunbajee says:

      05:08pm | 01/02/11

      Good on ya Thorpey!
      The fact that this Aussie Sporting Champ actually has a social conscience (not saying others don’t) & was brave enough to have a political stance against the NT Emergency Response (Intervention) which suspended the Racial Discrimination Act, shows great courage as well.
      To venture back into the pool would also be brave, let’s hope not foolishly so!
      All the best brus!

    • AFR says:

      05:27pm | 01/02/11

      I guess its up to him. And if he qualifies, good luck to him.

    • Andy says:

      06:10pm | 01/02/11

      In short if he thinks he can, yes. You’re a long time retired.

    • Jack High says:

      06:17pm | 01/02/11

      Rather Thorpedo than John Laws

    • Seano says:

      06:24pm | 01/02/11

      Should he come out of retirement? Considering the current state of Australian sport and the strong possibility that we will have our arses handed to us in London, God yes. Will he be competitive? Who knows. I wish him luck!

    • Cynical GoatWA says:

      07:00pm | 01/02/11

      Splendidly put Seano. And if he can talk Murray Rose, Kieran Perkins, Michael Klim, Rob deCastella, Steve Moneghetti, Dean Lukin, Andrew Gaze, Raelene Boyle and Catherine Freeman into coming back as well, then we might stand half a chance of keeping our arses intact.

    • Seano says:

      08:52pm | 01/02/11

      I’m pretty sure most of those guys aren’t as relatively young and fit as Thorpie, although still a chance to post better times than some of current sport stars.

      I’m still hoping Warnie, Pigeon and Gilly will come out of retirement

    • Mary Monica Roche says:

      06:29pm | 01/02/11

      Your comment
      ian Thorpe has to come out of retirement to swim in the 2012 London Olympic Games and the 2014 British Commonwealth Games in Glasgow in order to put Great Britain and the United Kingdom on the world map for the very first time.
      Usually however once people retire, they usually get the age pension and spend the rest of their lives criticizing the world ( except them) with extreme right wing red neck Liberal National Party views.views

    • Aitch B says:

      06:53am | 02/02/11

      @Mary

      Wow!! An article about a possible sporting comeback and you manage to get in a dig at the LNP and its supporters.

      You’ve shown us your true colours….. not that there was much doubt prior to this.

    • marcus says:

      09:52am | 03/02/11

      “extreme right wing red neck etc .....” ...would have to be one of the dumbest comments so far .....it might surprise you that most people who retire on the age pension are more likely to vote Labor while those self funded reirees are more likely Liberal voters… as for putting Great Britain & the Unite Kingdom ( same place but derrrrrrrrrr..) on the map for the first time ..what planet are you from ???? Are you that ignorant ? & to think people like you have a vote..God help us all….

    • Deson says:

      07:08pm | 01/02/11

      *Meh*
      I won’t get excited about this, unless Thorpe has been on the feedbag, got fat, and then lost a bunch of weight, so all news stories about him in perpetuity can start with “after losing 40 kgs…” like they have with Huegil, and treating it like he’s beaten cancer.

      Actually, not even then.

    • iansand says:

      07:31pm | 01/02/11

      Geoff Huegill.

      Next question.

      Thorpey - Go you good thing.

    • bananabender says:

      08:41pm | 01/02/11

      The only reason Australia does well at the Olympics is because there are so many swimming events. Also no other country takes swimming seriously.

    • Luke says:

      06:17am | 02/02/11

      USA, Canada, England, Germany, Netherlands don’t take their swimming seriously??????? Really?

    • Kate says:

      10:32am | 02/02/11

      Heard of a dude named Michael Phelps? I think his country is a bit serious about swimming too.

    • AFR says:

      11:55am | 02/02/11

      Other countries produce good swimmers, but if you look at the resources, media attention etc (the trials are on primetime TV!), Australia leaves all other countries for dead. In the US, unless you ARE Michael Phelps, the support and attention you receive in college will be somewhere below lacrosse and soccer. As for Canada, they do not give a toss about the summer games, its all about the Winter Olympics. And considering most UK towns don’t even have an Olympic sized pool, I would say that generally, no, they don’t take swimming seriously.

    • bananabender says:

      02:06pm | 02/02/11

      If you think any other country takes swimming seriously you are deluded.

      Most countries don’t have even have a single Olympic pool.

      Michael Phelps is the only great male American swimmer of the past 40 years

    • zipper says:

      09:34pm | 02/02/11

      bananabender what about Mark Spitz, he won seven gold medals at the 1972 Munich Olympic Games and set 33 world records. He was named World Swimmer of the Year in 1969, 1971 and 1972.

    • Tango says:

      11:29pm | 02/02/11

      bananabender - in addition to Mark Spitz, there was also Matt Biondi (8 Olympic gold medals), Gary Hall Jr (5 Olympic golds), Aaron Piersol (5 Olympic golds), Lenny Krayzelburg (4 Olympic golds). I think anyone who wins 4 Olympic golds or more is pretty close to being a great swimmer. Also, if you look at the swimming gold medallists at the past four or five Olympic Games, you will find that several other countries do take swimming pretty seriously in the past 20 or so years. Even our Thorpedo was upstaged by a Dutchman at his home Olympics in the 200m.

    • Flutz says:

      08:52pm | 01/02/11

      The thing is Thorpey has nothing to gain and everything to lose by coming out of retirement.  Huegill actually had a hel of a lot to prove (and to gain) by his comeback.

      This is just an attention seeking “return to the spotlight” and the fact he is having a press conference to announce it simply reinforces that in my mind. There is no need for all the hoopla of a press conference.  Huegill didn’t have a press conference, nor Libby Tricket.  You register your paperwork and start training and competing - we the public and the media will get that you are out of retirement, we aren’t that stupid.

    • sash b says:

      04:00am | 03/02/11

      agreed, Thorpy has an ego as big as a house, besides, what about the kids already training for places in the relay teams, who is Thorpy going to displace by coming back to swim relays? who is going to have their dreams squashed by a has been returning to the pool,

    • Tim says:

      09:17pm | 01/02/11

      To be honest, I think he ran out of coin. He needs to get his name up in lights for London, which to be honest I am quite excited about, with that momentum making him a good marketing tool for years to come.

    • Fairsnotfair says:

      06:20am | 02/02/11

      Got it in one! He needs the dosh.

      And while he’s at it, he may just take the spot of some young kid with stars in his eyes and dreams of success. But an ‘old’ has-been who knows the ins and outs of how to work the system and whose buttons to press, will push that young ‘un out of the way and ruin his chances of succeeding.

      More power to you, Ian Thorpe. You just make sure you put yourself first.

    • Matthew says:

      11:13am | 02/02/11

      Fairsnotfair, he’s done it once, I’m sure he can do it again.

    • Bob H says:

      09:37pm | 01/02/11

      Good luck to him, but I hope it is because he still has fire in the belly for swimming rather than a cash grab to recover from failed business projects.

    • Hilton says:

      10:42pm | 01/02/11

      stick to the cricket & footy sharwood - reinvent himself as a 100 metre freestyle swimmer? he has more national titles in the event than eamon sullivan.

    • Gregg says:

      11:35pm | 01/02/11

      Well good luck to the Thorpedo and Skippy for 2012 if we’re still here!

      ” For now, we should all hope that if Thorpe does make a comeback, it’s more Kim Clijsters than Tony Lockett. Because even though you’re a long time retired, you’re much longer retired with a diminished legacy. “
      By the look of that photo the feet haven’t got any smaller but the backside looks Lotsa Lockett size he may have to trim up on

    • Luke says:

      06:12am | 02/02/11

      Thorpe had a good job but got sick of waking up every morning and doing it. Most Aussies feel the same , but wake every morning and have to keep doing it to survive.

    • shane says:

      07:22am | 02/02/11

      Completely agree, great comment.

    • Justin says:

      06:52am | 02/02/11

      I suspect the GFC may have hit Thorpe Foods hard, but I’ve got little doubt he can have a big impact. He was already starting to show that a shift to the 100m could have been explosive just prior to retirement.

      I for one am looking forward to Rabs Warren calling, “and here comes the big black shark!” in London next year. That’s if they can get Rabs on the plane….

    • Isaac says:

      07:03am | 02/02/11

      It was unAustralian to quit in the first place. At least he’s been using his time well in the interim though…

    • Lee says:

      06:43am | 03/02/11

      I hate that term “Un-Australian”.

    • Carlos_the_Jackal says:

      12:01pm | 03/02/11

      I think it’s unAustralian to call other Australians unAustralian.

    • S.L says:

      07:33am | 02/02/11

      If Thorpie wants to return to competitive swimming that’s his business but what I find sad is if a guy who has been in retirement for a couple of years can make our Olympic squad for the London Games what does that say about the current competitors who are busting their backsides for the same goal? The 200m World record is 2 seconds quicker than Thorpies old mark so has Aussies Swimmers kept up with the pace?

    • KH says:

      09:35am | 02/02/11

      Some people are born with it. Some have to work for it - Thorpe was born with it.  He is like Phar Lap, Roger Federer,  Michael Jordan, or Pele.  They are just freaks of nature.  No matter how hard you work, you just won’t catch them….............

    • Tim says:

      11:07am | 02/02/11

      Yeah,
      Thorpe is well past his best. What is he like, 28 years old?
      He’ll need a zimmer frame just to get to the blocks.
      The young 25 year old competitors will eat him alive.

    • centurion48 says:

      07:42am | 02/02/11

      If Ian Thorpe can qualify for the Olympics then he deserves to get on the team and I wish him the best of luck. He has talent but it still requires countless hours of training. I just wish I was as dedicated at doing something.
      If he trains hard and doesn’t make the team then at least he had a go. There are still plenty of swimming events to compete in at local and national level.
      If he encourages one young kid to take up swimming, or pursue some other sport (realistically, he is not going to spur somebody on to an academic career) because of this decision then I applaud it.

    • Who knows says:

      07:43am | 02/02/11

      Good luck to Ian, but this time lets hope he doesn’t stuff up beating the drug test so he has to retire early again.

    • Lee says:

      08:03am | 02/02/11

      Who cares if he can “cut it” or not? Where does he get off “deciding” he’ll be in the Olympics? Don’t we have selectors? What about the kids who’ve been working their arses off while Thorpe’s been modelling or whatever he does now? They should have first shot at a place.

    • Kate says:

      11:44am | 02/02/11

      I imagine he’ll have to go through the same trials and preliminary swim meets as everyone else. If he’s not in shape, he won’t make it. The announcement is not worded very well as it does seem to imply that he’ll just rock up to the Olympics.

    • Fairsnorfair says:

      12:32pm | 02/02/11

      Oh Kate - I love that there is still naivety in the world. This Pain in the Ego Thorpe is not the first to “assume” he will get a spot on the team. Invariably, these ‘has-beens who can’t cope with the real world’ types have a PR person who pressures the selectors into making excuses for their slack “just-not-on-their-game-today” performance. They still make the side.

      Australia needs to be harder on these wallies. Let the young ones have a go and encourage transparency and honesty in the selection process.

    • KH says:

      12:50pm | 02/02/11

      Fairsnorfair - the brutal fact is, if Thorpe can do a Huegill, given the state of Australian mens swimming at the moment, he probably can book the plane ticket now…......He is an athlete - if he wasn’t aiming to go the Olympics, he wouldn’t bother - he has to talk himself up!!

      In any case people, swimming isn’t like cricket where your mates can just say what a great bloke you are and let you stay on the team no matter how bad you have been playing - he has to go through the trials and win, and meet the qualification times.  You can’t argue with the clock…...

    • Randle says:

      08:45am | 02/02/11

      Can someone tell Murray Rose - we don’t give a hairy rats about his opinions what is about old sportspeople he may have been an aussie great way back yonder ago ask any 20 year old who Murray Rose is and they wouldnt have a bloody clue!!! Good luck to Thorpey on his comeback if that is what he decides to do….long hard road though!!!

    • Jam says:

      09:13am | 02/02/11

      Why not?? if he is qualified and able to do so what the fuzz??

      Why watch and observe rather than make a nasty comment.. Can not believe it so many shallow people arround us.

    • Matthew says:

      11:20am | 02/02/11

      The same reason Ricky Ponting should be forced into retirement.

      You’re blocking a young player from getting a chance.  He’s got the same talent but needs the chance to learn.  You take that chance and you end up destroying the sport for a country for many years to come.

    • CHA says:

      09:27am | 02/02/11

      He is yesterdays boy - he has had his turn. Why should a young swimmer be replaced by this fellow who decided to retire and now wants to come back.
      He should not be selected in any team - much like Ponting and Clarke in Australian cricket - all well past their best and living on past performances and cannot accept their time is long gone..

    • mary says:

      10:09am | 02/02/11

      If Thorpe wants to come back, he should return. It’s up to him and not up to us.
      He’s earned the choice to do whatever he wants to without people winching and whining about it.

      Go Thorpe Go!

    • Integrity says:

      09:58am | 02/02/11

      What is with the vanishing comments on this site ?

      There is a saying that if you can’t say something nice, say nothing, but for others to be removing any comment that they do not like leaves us with a sanitised and distorted set of opinions on the matter.

    • Fairsnotfair says:

      02:53pm | 04/02/11

      Love your comment, Integrity! I too, feel frustrated when comments either disappear or are not published at all for fear of upsetting certain precious egos.

      If you think The Punch is bad for this, try http://www.theland.farmonline.com.au where your comment will NEVER make publication if it is not in line with the editor’s views. And now we have Ross Gittins writing for the Land Newspaper…..

      Bad enough that The Punch paid Michael Koziol to put together an inane piece, but to remove comments?

      I feel a conspiracy coming on…..

    • Dave says:

      10:18am | 02/02/11

      Swimming is an individual sport.  Nothing like team games of Cricket etc.  If he’s still fast, then good luck to him.

    • Puzzled says:

      10:53am | 02/02/11

      I m sure that Ian Thorpe would actually enjoy having Alan Jones real close behind him, and Alan Jones would enjoy being real close behind Ian Thorpe, but what difference would such make to Thorpe’s Swimming Comeback

    • Luke says:

      10:52am | 02/02/11

      Ian Thorpe should do what Ian Thorpe wants to do… fear of failing can be an excuse to never do anything.

      He has proven to be a great swimmer, one of Australia’s greatest Olympians, he has nothing to prove to anyone.

    • JAG says:

      11:02am | 02/02/11

      Mr Sharwood -You know little about swimming.
      There have been 3 advances in swinmsuits since Thorpe’s WRs.

      2007 - Sppeedo .———Phelps beats Thorpes 200wr.
      2008 Speedo LZR———Phelps beats Phelps 200 WR.
      2009 Supersuits.——Biederman beats 400 Wr & 200.
      2010 -back to basics NOONE is anywhere near Ians 3.40 . Closest is Olympic champ Park on 3.41.8. Noone is anywhere near Ian’s 200 Wr . Park again at 1.44.8.

      All swimmers qualify to Olympics by Trials. Nobody is giving Ian a place &  the younger guys can not cut it -eg there is no Australian in the current top 10
      .Australia takes top 2 & 4 more for relays. Relay selections are being experimented this year closer to the target competition date -this year is Worlds in July.

      So Ian likely has 17 months .

      Remember Ian was a double World Champ in budgies at 15 years of agein times that are still worls top 10.

    • Mike b says:

      06:14pm | 02/02/11

      Top response. If he gets his place he will have earnt it. These guys swim & train 8 hrs a day, it’‘s a full time job. Paid by the taxpayer sure but so is Gillard, Tony, Rudd, et al….. based on performace I know where is our money best spent.

    • Muzz says:

      11:03am | 02/02/11

      Not getting enough attention mincing around as a fashhionista.

    • Pete Green says:

      11:19am | 02/02/11

      I think debating whether or not a sportsman/sportswoman should come out of retirement is a completely absurd request for anyone other than the athlete themselves. Why the editor has posed this question I’m not sure?? Such a discussion has absolutely no purpose. How could one ever know what Ian Thorpe truly wants. Even lending a superficial opinion on this topic is completely futile and meaningless. Who cares what the public thinks. Ian’s decision is Ian’s decision and couldn’t possibly be dissected otherwise.

    • Dave says:

      11:36am | 02/02/11

      Goodluck to Thorpie. Has proven himself a champ many times. People whinging about him taking the place of some young persong slugging away. He will only get there spot if he is still faster then them. ANd if thats the case your whinge is a mute point,
      The author of this article is a joke.

    • Cyn says:

      11:49am | 02/02/11

      Abso-freaking-lutely! He’s a great champion. He retired young when he lost his love for swimming. Now it’s back.  If he wants to come out of retirement, then great! He’s only 28, for crying out loud. It may be ‘long in the tooth’ (geez) for a swimmer, but Geoff came back at 31 and blew them out of the pool.

      As long as our expectations don’t get higher for him, then his expectations for himself all is well.

      Can’t wait to see him in action!

    • Bazza says:

      11:56am | 02/02/11

      Who cares! He did’nt run out of interest for the sport .. he’s run out of money! Wake up to yourselves. Old sporting heroes soon get forgotten and quickly become not “sellable”.

    • Bilby says:

      12:53pm | 02/02/11

      Plugger possibly should have remained retired, but he is still the greatest goal kicker to have ever played the game and no-one is looking like coming even close, so I don’t see that his legacy is diminished in any way. I don’t look at the signed photo on my wall that was taken on that day that he kicked his 1300th goal and think “yeah… but he had a shit comeback”.

    • LDP says:

      02:18pm | 02/02/11

      Why are so many of you so negative about Ian coming out of retirement?I’m sure he would have had the best advice and opinions of those that do know what he could be capable of…and…I’m sure he also know what he is capable of.I say good on ya Ian go for it lad prove them all wrong if you can and if you don’t then at least you can hold your head high and say you gave it your best shot.How unastralian aussies are getting these days.where has the aussie encouragement gone???

    • Perplexed says:

      03:41pm | 02/02/11

      Hey LDP, you need to appreciate that not everyone warms to Ian Thorpe, and those that do not like him, or who can’t stand him, are just as entitled to express their displeasure at his planned return to the sport as those who are happy to see him come out of retirement.

      The one problem that exists on this forum is that comments that are too critical either do not get posted, or are removed soonafter being posted, and readers do not get to see the full array of opinions on the matter.

    • Anthony Sharwood

      Anthony Sharwood says:

      04:01pm | 02/02/11

      @perplexed.

      That’s not actually true. Without diversity we are dead. We know that, and we love diversity. That’s why we’re an opinion site, not a bunch of cheerleaders in pink mini skirts.

      That said, occasionally an offensive comment will get through our very busy moderator’s defenses. One or two such comments got through on this thread today, then were deleted afterwards when we saw them.

      Hope that clears that up - Ant

    • BK says:

      04:44pm | 02/02/11

      @Anthony

      What about deleting comments that are submitted a few times and duplicated a few times like Steve’s?

    • Tory Shepherd

      Tory Shepherd says:

      05:02pm | 02/02/11

      What Ant said!

      BK - I know that’s a problem… thing is, with multiple moderators, there’s no way to tell if it’s the first or second or third time someone’s posted something.

      Stay tuned, we’re working on improving the way it all works.

    • NicoleG says:

      05:12pm | 02/02/11

      Hahaha Ant, I can just see you dancing around in a pink mini skirt. Hey Tory, I hope you’ve got the really big pom poms to match yours.

    • TDJ says:

      02:49pm | 02/02/11

      Sounds like Thorpie has blown all his cash.

    • Steve says:

      03:24pm | 02/02/11

      Thorpe has always had a hard coping with no one caring what he does anymore… evident with his crappy TV guest spots like Next Top Model. He seems to have accepted that he doesn’t have the personality to be famous without swimming.

    • Steve says:

      03:25pm | 02/02/11

      Thorpe has always had a hard coping with no one caring what he does anymore… evident with his crappy TV guest spots like Next Top Model. He seems to have accepted that he doesn’t have the personality to be famous without swimming.

    • Observer says:

      04:13pm | 02/02/11

      He Steve, you appear to have an echo happening there. but your comments are spot on. Thorpe’s Personality is a little bit of balance, a screwy ego and a bit of effemininety mixed in with it. He did appear to be sought after for endordements during and for a short period after his swimming career, but once he was out of the limelight, that fell away very quicklym so I guess that inorder to get back in the money, he needs to get back in the limelight, and the only way is to rekindle his swimming career.

    • PJ says:

      03:36pm | 02/02/11

      who are we to say if its right or wrong from him to return - its his life, his decision.

    • MSD says:

      04:39pm | 02/02/11

      Is his drug ban over? didn’t l’equipe, the French new paper, print his positive results, then he retired from the sport? Never…...

    • alan says:

      04:41pm | 02/02/11

      no ways he a has been now,he would be taking it away from some good guy,he wants money again

    • Horthy says:

      04:49pm | 02/02/11

      Poor old Thorpy, run outta coin. Hey, if he makes selection, good on him! But you’re mad if you think preferences don’t take place in swimming selections, so you’ll be pressed on your comment either way it goes.

      Why don’t we just instigate a Thorpy Levy, so he can forgo all this posturing, training, and .. er .. posturing. It’s not too much to ask the Australian public for a dollar a week is it? Or $5 for those earning over 100K, of course.

    • BFM says:

      05:16pm | 02/02/11

      @Horthy

      Ian Thorpe has spent too much time in the water and he has gone all wet and soggy.

      I for one would be very tempted to subscribe to a levy if it meant that we ddn’t have to endure another session of Ian Thorpe coverage in the meda, but only if the money went to a good cause such as the Flood Alpeals in the Eastern States.

    • Pete says:

      05:12pm | 02/02/11

      Sorry can’t say I care one way or another what Thorpe or any other athlete does. Why as a culture do we continually raise these guys above other people?

    • Peter says:

      06:30pm | 02/02/11

      Who gives a rat ass, I tired of overpaid wanker sportsman being Australia only concern. We are destroying the planet with our pollution exports, We don’t produce anything productive unless you could call Gen Z Brain dead productive. The government pays people to procreate when they should be paying people to go to a one or zero child policy. This will end soon and maybe these wankers can get a real job capitalism and consumerism is nearly dead. Sorry to all you Ozzies thinking you will get rich. Your faces stink and you will die also !!!

    • Dave says:

      06:43pm | 02/02/11

      Well Pete go live your life and don’t waste minutes commenting on this.

      As to the rest of you, it has nothing to do with any of us, our opinions are irrelevant. And that is the case whether he is doing this as a personal challenge, or for the money.

      Go chop down tall poppies elsewhere and lament your normal existence. Which there is nothing wrong with, by the way, because that is what you choose to do, and it doesn’t (I presume) harm anyone else.

    • The Duke says:

      09:42am | 03/02/11

      Hey Peter,

      Where does your extreme hatred for Sportsman and Australians stem from ?

      It sounds like you have reached a point in your life where you do not want to be here any more.

      Permission to leave the planet is granted.

      Should you decide to stay, I suggest you make an effort to integrate with the community rather than lamblast it, you may have more influence by being nice rather than by being nasty.

      It is a mistake on your part to assume that the majority of people aren’t also concerned about the environment and doing their bit to help

      Try reading “How to Win Friends and Influence People”, you may learn that to spray your venom at everyone will not influence them to appreciate you or your point of view.

    • Concerned about Australia says:

      06:57pm | 02/02/11

      good on you, who cares…... you swim in a pool.

      Cure cancer or something and make yourself newsworthy.

      We’ve got a bit more to worry about than you and your sponsor.

    • Bob says:

      07:28pm | 02/02/11

      Sure, why not?  Nothing wrong with the best man being in the middle lane, if that’s how it shakes out.

    • JACQUE says:

      07:46pm | 02/02/11

      its all about MONEY mate,he,s out of it or very will be soon.thorpe going out doing a good days work for goods days pay, is beyond him,this man is a has been athlete.but if he make the grade good luck to him
      BUT he wants the glory days AGAIN and most all MONEY lots of it.

    • Mark says:

      07:03am | 03/02/11

      We have paid a fortune to train this guy over the years. Whenever he quits he then goes to the USA and pays his taxes there.. If we have a HECS style loan on all his training he would still owe $500k or so to the Australian public. Shouldn’t he repay something too us rather than just taking and then reappearing when he wants more???

    • Honest Abe says:

      07:35am | 03/02/11

      I don’t really care either way. Although it would be nice if he ditched that artificial, sissy way of speaking. You want to be an Aussie, start talking like one. Needs to man up.

    • Observer says:

      08:42am | 03/02/11

      Hey Honest Abe,

      Unfortunately not everyone is honest like you,
      In Ian Thorps case, he is living a lie.
      He is quite clearly gay, hence his sissy way of speaking, but not quite prepared to declare such.

    • richard mclachlan says:

      08:09am | 03/02/11

      I am so disappointed.  I thought he was coming out of the closet - now that would have been something worth hearing.

      Oh well, maybe he will do it with a new medal in his hand

    • Jake says:

      09:21am | 03/02/11

      Just for the money,that’s it.we r feed up with him, he should have gone for good.what’s a liar

    • Mike Barton says:

      09:25am | 03/02/11

      Whether he comes back or not is a matter for him to decide.  The Australian Taxpayer spends a vast amount of money developing these Olympic stars with no real return on our invetsment,  but a short lived glory and a line or two in a history book. The medals, are theirs, so to, the sponsorships and endorsement deals the multi-million dollar incomes they make

    • dale says:

      09:29am | 03/02/11

      No. Go home Thorpe. Not interested in your one-man reality TV show. Boring the crap out of everyone. Let the younger guys have a chance to live their dream. You probably could get gold again, I know that. Or… you could be happy with what you’ve already achieved and give someone else a chance. But the main point is your self indulgent show is painful to watch.  We already have enough crap on TV, the Kardashians, Idol, So you think you can dance… and now the Thorpe show.

    • bananabender says:

      09:39am | 03/02/11

      Did FINA offer an unofficial suspension in exchange for dropping the doping inquiry?

    • Hendo says:

      10:17am | 03/02/11

      No. Is he out of the closet yet?

    • Gail says:

      10:30am | 03/02/11

      If Thorpe makes a comeback or not is a decision for Thorpe to make and what the general polulace and media think is really irrelevant .

    • Tristan says:

      10:53am | 03/02/11

      If Ian Thorpe has the tenacity, drive and stamina to train for thousands of hours prior to the London Olympics - well good on him. I honestly wish him well. You swim for yourself and for you country. I will be cheering him on if he can climb another mountain and get in the medals. Imagine 2-4 hours in a pool every day for more than a year! That’s a big ask, as being older he will have to train harder.

      Should he earn a a few million dollars by doing this (win or fail)? Well then, that’s a slightly different question. Don’t mind as long as he gives me the stuff he hasn’t got time to spend. But don’t bag him for having the guts to have a go.

    • Dave says:

      03:48pm | 03/02/11

      Is it possible to put more cricket on TV because when swimmers come on I get really bored

    • Greg says:

      09:01am | 06/11/11

      Yes, but he should stick to his old pet events, the 200m and/or 400m freestyle. Australia already has very strong swimmers in the 100m freestyle, and I don’t know why Thorpe is bothering with this IM and butterfly rubbish, it’s not his bag!

 

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