Should Julia Gillard just cut her losses and quit? Or should Caucus make the decision for her and just put her out of her misery?

Calm down Kevin, Stephen and Bill. I'm waving, not saying goodbye. Pic: AFP

With the High Court striking down the Malaysian solution on asylum seekers as an unconstitutional non-solution, the perception that the Gillard Government is listless and unable to deliver has never been more pronounced.

Some of the names being bandied about to step in save the party from electoral Armageddon now border on the absurd. There has been speculation for months about a leadership change involving everyone from Stephen Smith and Bill Shorten to Greg Combet and Simon Crean, all of which make a kind of sense on paper.

Kevin Rudd has obviously been touted too even though he’s probably the only person who would support his candidacy.

Things have now gone so bananas that even a former premier who has been out of politics for years and is firmly entrenched in the private sector, Queensland’s Peter Beattie, is being touted as a possible candidate. Maybe John Curtin or Ben Chifley could throw their hats in the ring too.

There is no way Julia Gillard will resign. There is probably no way that Caucus will force her aside. The idea of dumping Gillard to save Labor from electoral disaster has at its centre a major flaw – namely that her removal would instantly precipitate a general election which the party would lose in a landslide anyway.

The deal which the independents Tony Windsor and Rob Oakeshott and Andrew Wilkie made to form government was not a deal with the ALP, but a deal with Julia Gillard. As Rob Oakeshott has said, his handshake was with her. It is more than likely that in the event of Gillard’s removal, one or all three of these men would withdraw their support for the Government and force a snap poll.

As an aside, it seems crazy that through their actions some of these independents continue to act in a manner which is only making the Government less popular. The proposal from Rob Oakeshott for a congestion tax to be examined at Treasurer Wayne Swan’s tax summit is an act of madness at a time when the Government is already struggling to sell an unpopular carbon tax.

Many voters clearly think that it’s time for Julia Gillard to go, and be replaced with another Labor leader, or for the Government itself to go to an election. Several polls have now shown that Kevin Rudd is a more popular choice with voters to lead the ALP.

In a national poll published across News Limited websites yesterday, readers were quick to hit the “yes” button when asked whether Gillard should resign. Within the first hour of polling almost 3000 votes were cast, with 93 per cent saying yes and just 7 per cent saying no. Obviously, the people who are most likely to vote are the people who do not like the PM, but the numbers still make for pretty grim reading.

The reality however is that if Labor were to move against Gillard there is every chance its numbers won’t shift and could possibly get worse. This is because the party, as a brand, to borrow from the lexicon of modern marketing, has now damaged itself in several states by making politically expedient leadership changes which leave the voters feeling dudded and disenfranchised.

There have only been two successful mid-term leadership transitions in the past decade – Bob Carr to Morris Iemma in NSW and Peter Beattie to Anna Bligh in Queensland. Both Iemma and Bligh were able to secure improbable victories, albeit victories which said more about the uselessness of the oppositions than the strength of their governments.

In every other instance the leadership changes have been a disaster and have cemented the perception that faceless factional heavies have usurped the role of the voters in hiring and firing political leaders.

In NSW the transition from Morris Iemma to Nathan Rees to Kristina Keneally was an absurd bit of deckchair-shuffling which laid the foundations for last year’s second-worst ever performance by NSW Labor at a state election. The shift from Steve Bracks to John Brumby ended in tears. In South Australia right now there is the absurd situation of Mike Rann insisting on an extended lap of honour while he leads Jay Weatherill up and down King William Street wearing a pair of L-plates. And volumes have been written about the shift from Rudd to Gillard last year.

Labor has done this so often in the past few years that it cannot afford to do so again. A leadership change would suggest that the party is less worried about delivering good government than simply remaining in government.

The only hope Julia Gillard has is that she can somehow tap into her former political self, when she was the highly rated and highly regarded deputy to Kevin Rudd, kicking goals in the education portfolio, holding a commanding presence in the media as the best communicator of the government line. Her inability to get a message out and to promote the government’s achievements or explain and defend its shortcomings is being lost, not just because so many voters are hostile towards her, but more alarmingly because so many of them have stopped listening to her at all.

Waking up that 20 per cent or 30 per cent of Australians and getting them to engage and reconsider their vote is the greatest challenge she faces and if she can pull that off it will be the greatest political miracle Australia has ever seen. The only thing we can be pretty sure of is that this challenge will still fall to her, not to another leader, unless of course the Labor Party has completely lost the plot.

penberthyd@thepunch.com.au

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    • Wag the Dog says:

      06:08am | 02/09/11

      Short answer, ‘yes’. And she can take her stinky comrades with her.

    • LeftRightOut says:

      06:39am | 02/09/11

      I agree, she “should” resign… she won’t, though.
      Penbo lost me about here…
              “It is more than likely that in the event of Gillard’s removal, one or all three of these men would withdraw their support for the Government and force a snap poll.”

      Penbo, you can’t really believe that the independents would put Abbott in charge, do you?
      What have you ever seen that would suggest Oakshott in particular, would withdraw support.
      Wilkie would be the only one possible, and he is unlikely, too.
      How could a senior journalist hold such a contrary position - do you know something we don’t?

    • Tedd says:

      06:47am | 02/09/11

      It is interesting how the High Court decision has become The focal point for the whole shebang.  Especially when there has been other significant focal points - the announcement of the “East Timor Solution” (hah!) without the East Timorise having been consulted was the focal point for me - rude, crude, and indicative of a failed govt.  The should have persisted with Nauru in their first term.

      Then they would have been able to deal with other aspects of govt without the focus being on asylum seekers.

      Rudd’s 2020 Summit and the subsequent lack of consequence of it was a farce too.

      The sad thing is Abbot and his lackeys are worse prospects.

      “God’ help us.

    • Tedd says:

      06:58am | 02/09/11

      LeftRightOu (et al),
      the Independents have, apparently, said their contract is with Gillard not the Labor Party. Muppets. Irrational. Grandiose. Muppets.

      Australia is hostage to a bunch of sociopaths.

    • Jeff from Meroo says:

      07:41am | 02/09/11

      Anyone considering Rudd should remember that he was the one that pulled the rug out on the Pacific Solution and got Labor into *this* mess in the first place.  There is no chance Labor will kick her out and no chance she will leave.  The only hope we all have is that one of the Independents changes their mind but that is a slim hope at best.  With that said however, Labor is renown for controversy within its ranks and if there is another Craig Thompson or two out there then at some point someone has to cross the floor.

    • Colleen says:

      08:15am | 02/09/11

      Yes. She should do this country a favour and step down and take the greens, windsor and oakshot with her. She should never had been prime minister in first place. This country has become a laughing stock since her leadership.

    • We'redoomed says:

      08:32am | 02/09/11

      There is NO WAY the independents would withdraw support. Self interest with these grubs will ALWAYS win above the good of Australia. They know full well they’ll be lucky for even their families to vote for them again.

      @LeftRightOut….. “How could a senior journalist hold such a contrary position”....................couldn’t agree more.

      Don’t let us go getting excited, and forgetting workchoices at the next election. That’s the best LNP could come up with,; all the mess in Australia and they wanted to attack the workers. We should never forget that. We need a new party. One that’s interested in the welfare of existing Australians. Not big business, over filling Australia, selling Australia. There is not too many more opportunities to get this right.

    • John A Neve says:

      08:52am | 02/09/11

      Would Julia stepping down improve our situation? No, in my view.
      Should Tony become PM would things improve? Again No, in my view.

      Australia suffers from a political scene bogged down in infighting and self interest. If we took the very best from all camps, we’d still be struggling. We are a small to medium country and we should acknowledge such. Our politicians should be looking after Australia’s problems, not telling the world how to fix theirs.
      Woe will be us when the mining bubble bursts.

    • Peter from the bush says:

      08:56am | 02/09/11

      Hy should she quit.I believe that most of you people are following the Media and arent thinking for yourself.
      Just look at Margaret Thatcher and what she did for UK in the first 12 months.
      Leave Julia Gillard alone and cast your minds back to what the Howard Government did back in the early 2000.
      You people have very short memories and NO she shoulnt step down.
      All I will say is for YOU DT reporters and also many followers…GET A BLOODY LIFE

    • BobM says:

      09:11am | 02/09/11

      I just watched Windbag and Wilkie on the ABCs 7.30. Both are still backing Julia, saying the parliament is working well and with a few good policy successes she could turn it all around and maybe even win the next election. Talk about delusional!!! These guys are DESPERATE to hang on to their jobs!

    • hermes says:

      09:21am | 02/09/11

      @John A Neve…yes! Only Australian politicians think we are so important. Our involvement in the world’s problems should be proportionate with our size…starting with dumping the carbon tax…which was, of course, only ever designed to prop up Labor’s empty coffers.

    • Shawry says:

      09:30am | 02/09/11

      There is no chance the independants would force an election. They have 2 years of unearned power ahead of them if they maintain support and an election in the current climate would almost certainly see them lose their seats as well as this authority. They, like Gillard, will cling desperately to power they neither deserve nor are capable of handling desperately until their fingers are peeled off the keys to the Lodge with a blowtorch and crowbar.

      Oh, and there have actually been 3 successful deckchair shuffles in the past decade. The one you missed was Rudd to Gillard.

    • We'redoomed says:

      09:36am | 02/09/11

      @Peter from the bush.

      It was clear Thatcher was steering the country well, but it hurt. It is clear Gillard is steering us to disaster and it hurts.

      Two very, very different scenarios.

    • Lui says:

      09:51am | 02/09/11

      First it was Rudd who must go and they got rid of him but Julia is making even more of a mess of it (if that’s possible)  don’t give us a trifecta of imcompetent labour leaders.  Can we just have an election and let the people finally have a vote on who they want to lead this nation of course I am just dreaming if I think that they would come to this conclusion.

    • Skip says:

      10:07am | 02/09/11

      Yes Please put her and her Party out of her misery , I don’t care how but asap would be great!

    • Bushie says:

      10:08am | 02/09/11

      Labor caucus should do themselves a favour and “ditch the witch” now before things get worse, if that’s at all possible after the carbon tax shambles, Craig Thomson coverup, asylum seeker debacle and all of the other disasters and stuffups under her watch.  The new Labor leader would still be cactus though unless they dumped the carbon tax (or at least tried to take it to the next election to give voters a say on it).  Actually starting to listen to the views of the majority of the Australian public instead of being held captive to the loony policies of the manipulative Greens might help their cause too.

    • ash says:

      10:23am | 02/09/11

      o   She should but she won’t. Her government was put into power on the back of popularist policy positioning and catch phrases mixed in with a healthy dose of work choices scare mongering from the unions. Look where it has left us now.  I keep hearing from people whom still support this government, (yes they still exist), about the amount of legislation passed by this government since the last election. If this is the case, I challenge any of these people to name ten of these and explain how they have improved our future? When I say explain, I do not mean give me a bunch of well meaning platitudes and motherhood statements. I mean facts and figures. This government may have been able to fool the population once, but I still hold, or should I say hope, that people like we We’redoomed are in the minority.

    • Dragon Dan says:

      10:25am | 02/09/11

      LeftRightOut - I don’t think it is an unfair position for Penbo to take. The independednts have said exactly that. They have stated and reiterated that their contract of support extends to Julia Gillard as Prime Minister and not to the Labor Party.

      Having said that, if it came down to the crunch, all of them would throw their weight behind labour as it would mean their political survival (Wilkie would be the only question mark. He’s the only one whose self interest doesn’t seem to overide his cause).

      Labor should call their bluff and replace Gillard. If they don’t get support, they will lose government but they can then work on repairing their brand. The longer this government persists the more damage they are doing to their brand.

    • Peter from the bush says:

      10:49am | 02/09/11

      @we’redoomed,
      Would you rather Mr.Abbott srew up up more.I dont think so.
      If I remember correctly Mrs.Thatcher lead Britian out of the poo and then when she was thrown out the government tghen stuffed up Britian even more.
      Can you imagine what sort of mess Mr Abbott would do to this country.
      Between him & Joe Hockey,we would be in recession within 6 weeks,NOT 6 months.
      I say Leave Julia alone and let her get on with running our great country.The High court shouls think more about ruining Corportate Companies instead of getting involved in politics.

    • Brad says:

      10:58am | 02/09/11

      If it was ‘Mr’ Gillard HE would be removed. The first female PM factor is still strong. ALP don’t want to put the female voters off side. But, it must be close!

    • dovif says:

      11:02am | 02/09/11

      The more this incompetant government is in power, the more they are hurting the ALP Brand, it is probably better for the ALP to just go to an election now and save the furniture for later

      The Australian Liberals are not what the ALP should be worried about, they should be worried about being the Canadian Liberals, With Bob Brown lurking around the corner, the damage is being done

    • Lapun says:

      11:03am | 02/09/11

      She won’t resign OR be thrown out.  Who on earth would stand up to fill the PM role after the damage that has been done, enough to make any aspirants resign themself to obscurity for the next 20 years!  Talk about a poision challice….......!

    • NB says:

      11:04am | 02/09/11

      Agree 100% - go now Julia.

    • Damien says:

      11:20am | 02/09/11

      she wont go to an election because she would lose in a landslide that basically says she is a dictator who will not listen to the voice of the australian people a leader with no followers is just a person going for a walk!

    • Brad says:

      11:29am | 02/09/11

      Absolutely, and both sides should “go”. We need a new system of government- not a republic because that is just as bad. Our country is nothing but a collection of fiefdoms signed up to a flawed agreement. There is no level playing field and too many ways for fingerpoint, overlap and waste. You’d think that after 110 years we’d actually have a national plan and forward strategy. On the contrary all we have us a bunch of self-serving children more interested in their own troughsnoutery than the welfare of this country and its citizens.

      Gillard Out. Labour Out, Liberals Out and Greens BANNED. We are capable of far better systems of government than what we have to suffer under now. bstevens35 at hotmail

    • Tembo says:

      11:37am | 02/09/11

      Move over Gillard and the goons you surround yourself with!  What is this the “Mad-Hatters tea party!  because that how it seems to me. She is not for the benefit of all Australians, it is all about her own power and pig headedness. Both she and her minders are sending this country down the gurgler!  And we are the poor bastards, that are going along on this useless ride to nowhere! GOD SAVE US!

    • Wayne says:

      11:38am | 02/09/11

      Worst Prime Minister we have ever had by far. She won’t last the next election and good riddance.

    • Gordo says:

      11:38am | 02/09/11

      Peter from the Bush, Gillard is no Margaret Thatcher. Thatcher had ability

    • Ian Larkman says:

      11:41am | 02/09/11

      I think both Julia and Abbott are both not deserving of the job of PM.
      Please give us a choice between two good leaders instead of what we have now. Tweedle dumb and tweedle even dumber!

    • Steve says:

      11:53am | 02/09/11

      Let her stay. That way we will have the extinction of the Labor Party in 2 years. I have never known people to despise a Prime Minister as much as she is. They have 2 choices, replace her and limit the damage and still exist with a good chance of coming back in 6 to 9 years, or keep her and be finished as a party. They will keep her and cling on for 2 years rather than do the right thing and keep a party for the future. That is good news.

    • Bob Real says:

      12:18pm | 02/09/11

      A smooth transition to a safe pair of hands like Smith or Crean, then an election in 6 months. This shows the party listens to and respects the voters and will limit the damage. More Gillardian obstinence looks like disrepect and hubris. This will lead to more and more pain at the ballot box for longer and longer. It took 11 years and four elections to regain trust after Keating and the recession we had to have.

    • AlanS says:

      12:26pm | 02/09/11

      She should let the Australian people exact their revenge upon her and Labor at an election. That is the only way this situation should be dealt with.

    • Reg says:

      12:34pm | 02/09/11

      @ Peter from the bush, who said:

      “The High court shouls think more about ruining Corportate Companies instead of getting involved in politics.”

      Stupidest. Comment. Ever.

      I mean it doesn’t really make sense on the face of it, but even if you try and adopt an explanation, the explanation is just as nonsensical.

    • Dag the Wog says:

      01:11pm | 02/09/11

      Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

    • Against the Man says:

      01:58pm | 02/09/11

      John A back today? Needed a day to gather some courage. The minority corner you live in is getting smaller and smaller…...........

      History been written, your side is f@#ked smile

    • Joan says:

      02:13pm | 02/09/11

      BobM.-  Wilkie, Windsor, Oakeshott and Bob Brown the guys who Gillard sold her political soul to this time last year. Gillard chose deals with minortiy sleezes over keeping her word to Australian majority voters. Oakeshoot and Windsor ignored the voters in their electorates and Wilkie blackmails support for Gillard - conditional on pokie deal- similarly Windsor and Oakeshott blackmail ALP - government support conditional only with Gillard as leader. Gillard and Australian majority voters are cornered by this minority group of numbskull, sleezes,clowns,  Windsor, Oakeshot, Wilkie and Brown. and literally held to ransom by whims of this sorry lot. Abbott got lucky when Gillard won the toss with is group of misfits. Australia lost in every way. The only thing to save Australia now is an election. Abbott should have nothing to do with this minority of numbskulls. Australia deserves another election - and soon.

    • Faye says:

      02:51pm | 02/09/11

      What goes around comes around.  I don’t care how she goes as long as she goes.  We had a good leader who people actually elected in.

    • beryl boatswain says:

      03:11pm | 02/09/11

      we were robbed of the chance to vote out rudd, i want to vote out gillard,and if possible the greens and independants.lets have an election.

    • NAN says:

      03:39pm | 02/09/11

      She isn’t going anywhere,she will cling to the wreckage for as long as she can,she has a vision for this counrty regardless if the rest of us don’t know what it is,when the time comes i hope she takes the rest of the hanger ons with her,she sold her soul to the greens to become the goverment,and sold the people of Australia out with it,maybe she should have waited in the wings for another 4 years by that time she might have made a good leader in her oun right,we will never know,instead she has destroyed a once proud labor party ,at least she will see the knife coming,KARMA to the max

    • Mark says:

      04:09pm | 02/09/11

      In the national interest, Gillard and Abbott should simultaneously resign. Whoever replaces them couldn’t do any worse.

    • Kate says:

      04:21pm | 02/09/11

      yes she should go before she ruins Australia more than she already has

    • Robert Cameron says:

      05:49pm | 02/09/11

      We need to get rid of this lot !! They are all on the nose !! Every way you look at them and they are destroying this country and its way of life every day !! They are making it hard to do anything without breaking a law or paying a fee !! Jobs are becoming far and few between !! They have no real plans !!  They waste incredible amounts of money !! Are cutting back everywhere but their wages !!! Oh and jobs for the crew !! They are so out of touch its astounding , they have no concern what so ever about what the people think or their rights !!! A Nazi regime !!!

    • Patricia says:

      06:29pm | 02/09/11

      Couldn’t agree more, this was a wonderful country,true blues and honest people .losing them all now along with our democratic rights.

    • Shane says:

      07:21pm | 02/09/11

      Australia is in great shape. Record wealth, record employment, and billion dollar long term contracts being signed almost every day. Congratulations Prime Minister, and thanks.

    • Bloggs says:

      11:34pm | 02/09/11

      @ Peter from the bush.  Sorry Pete.  Your unqualified support for this failing ALP/Green coalition is wasted on the great crowds of Australian people.  You see, the rest of us can think for ourselves and understand that yes, Tony Abbott WILL do a better job than Juliar Gillard.  You lose, old son, in your attempt to have some GetUp! recognition!!

    • SK says:

      03:16am | 03/09/11

      No No No if she stays Labor are assured of only a handful of seats in the next parliament. none from WA and only one in Queensland.  Another two years of this the real Julia means that Labor will be in opposition for 40 years and no union leader for generations will be able to dream of being parachuted into a safe seat.

    • acotrel says:

      06:21am | 03/09/11

      @LeftRightOut
      Gillard’s biggest mistake was in watching the polls and trying to gain popularity by copying Tony Abbott’s cynicism.  Should she be sacked for that ?
      Abbott has forced the whole nature of Australian politics in a negative direction, and when it got into the High Court, our judiciary responded exactly as they should.  The ‘Pacific Solution’, was just as nasty as the Malaysian one, if not worse !

    • Leigh says:

      06:54am | 03/09/11

      Australia is goverened mostly by career politicians, when it really needs a few more company directors used to running (successfully) complex business.

    • Michael Taylor says:

      07:24am | 03/09/11

      Yep out you go to,polititions that are so out of touch with Australia,making the wrong choices,what more can i say

    • acotrel says:

      07:57am | 03/09/11

      @Colleen
      ‘She should never had been prime minister in first place. This country has become a laughing stock since her leadership. ‘

      And Tony Abbott is a good alternative ?  I’d actually find that hilarious except for the potential serious consequences! Some of you people are a danger to yourselves !

    • Ru says:

      09:25am | 03/09/11

      This governement has no humanity for living creatures, people or animals.  Two big stuff ups and what else do we need to convince us, we need people with a moral, humane consciousness and more compassion.  It’s just a matter of time, sooner than later.

    • Danke says:

      10:07am | 03/09/11

      Julia KillRudd will go. Who is digging hole for somebody, will fall in to it her/himself. It is God law.

    • John Hay says:

      10:57am | 03/09/11

      Gillard should stay. Don’t give up Julia. We need you there to ensure a LNP victory.

    • Gary Ferguson says:

      12:12pm | 03/09/11

      Well said wags!!! We couldn’t have thought of a better comment!

    • Brett says:

      01:01pm | 03/09/11

      She rates well behind all the past female state premiers in my opinion. What an opportinity she had as the first female Prime Minister. What a waste of an opportunity!
      Please leave, Julia.

    • expat says:

      01:05pm | 03/09/11

      NO… stay the full term and let her sink the country into deeper mess.  Then and thereafter, the Labor will be in such a wilderness that they start to eat themselves like NSW Labor.  Every cloud has a silver lining.  So is the very sole purpose the current “hung parliament”!

    • Pamela says:

      05:25pm | 03/09/11

      I think she should resign, she is the worst PM this nation has ever had.

    • Kelvin says:

      05:46pm | 03/09/11

      Finally after scouring the country Gillard has found someone who thinks that she is doing a good job and the best person to be PM.

      Pity it was her own grandiose notion of her own self importance and performance. Australia knows that her judgement on even the most simple matters if hugely flawed. She has been wrong about everything else and she is absolutely wrong about this as well. Gillard you are the biggest failure of a Prime Minister in the history of this country.

      However she is in good company - her Cabinet and Caucus all fit into the same category. Together they are compete disasters. Throw in the Greens and the self obsessed ‘independents’ - particularly Windsor and Oakeshot and you have the singularly most spectacular failure of a federal government since Federation.

      Don’t just stop at Gillard - remove the lot and let us decide at a general election. If she and her motley crew are so good, they will be returned. What are they scared of?

    • Rose says:

      11:05pm | 03/09/11

      @kelvin

      We just did, last August. You lot lost. Remember ?

    • Martin says:

      11:30am | 04/09/11

      No Rose you lost. You think you won (whilst actually it was a draw) but now the people have seen how utterly useless Labor is they will be lost for an eternity.  There are too many scandals too many stuffups. there are that many people out there looking for any opportunity to do this government in, somethings going to give. So I would suggest Rosie, your “win” will be very short lived indeed.

    • Rose says:

      12:45pm | 04/09/11

      @Martin

      Still in denial ? You lot lost. Deal with it.

    • Rex says:

      01:15pm | 04/09/11

      @ Peter from the bush, Howard left Australia in an enviable position and cleaned up the boat people, you sunshine seem to forget that. Gillard and Rudd have destroyed what were good policies because they were Liberal policies and not Labor and please, i’m so sick and tired of the “workchoices” excuse being rehashed all the time. Is that all the ammo you Labor hacks have? Try something new for a change. Oh, wait, you don’t have anything new because Labor is where it is at due to it all being of their own making, no one elses.

    • Rex says:

      01:48pm | 04/09/11

      @ Rose, how old are you? You sound like a three year old who’s caught the ball and won’t give it to anyone. FYI sweetheart, niether Liberal nor Labor won, it was a hung parliment and still is. The only winners were the Independants who hold the balance of power. Get your facts right before bleating about like a spoilt child.

    • Rose says:

      02:28pm | 04/09/11

      @Rex

      You’re still in denial too ?

      Who formed Government ?

      Who are the Opposition ?

      You lost. Deal with it.

    • Martin says:

      03:45pm | 04/09/11

      @Rose
      Labor 72
      Coalition 72
      Greens 1
      Independants 5

    • Joan says:

      04:16pm | 04/09/11

      @Martin

      Another one still in denial !

      Who formed Government ?

      Who are the Opposition ?

      You lost. Deal with it.

    • ant says:

      08:40am | 05/09/11

      All these right wing trolls claiming that Gillard didn’t get elected. Well, if she has no mandate then neither does Dav id Cameron who faced exactly the same situation in Britain as Gillard and did a deal with the Liberal Democrats to form government. You’ll never hear Tony Abbott mentioning that in any of his Gillard bashing rants but it is a fact.

    • Rose says:

      10:02am | 05/09/11

      @ ant

      Very true, but we should show compassion for them. It’s hard for those afflicted with the born to rule sense of entitlement to accept defeat. They are sometimes stuck in denial.

    • Erick says:

      06:15am | 02/09/11

      Labor appears to be stuffed either way. Gillard has failed every single political challenge since knifing Rudd - it seems that was her sole success. A miraculous recovery at this point would be ... a miracle.

      Such are the perils of born-to-rule arrogance in the inbred Labor Party halls of power.

    • Anne71 says:

      08:24am | 02/09/11

      Oh, please, Erick. “Born-to-rule arrogance” is not just a Labor characteristic. The LNP have it in spades.

    • Bob says:

      09:20am | 02/09/11

      Maybe, but the Liberals are competent. Whatever description you want to apply to the current govt, competent is not a valid one.

      About the only politically significant thing that this current government has achieved competently is the Anti-Abbott scare campaign that every question about their own screwups gets diverted to.

      BTW, before anyone says it. Gillard negotiating to form government did NOT make her a better negotiator. It was simply evidence that she was willing to give more to get independent votes than Abbott was. If Abbott lost his election, considering he had come closer to getting rid of a first term govt than any other government since WW2 (and had forced the knifing of a first term PM), it was a sure thing he’d lead the Liberals to the next election. If Gillard didn’t offer the Independents everything she had to offer, her political career was finished. As it is, she has only delayed the inevitable by a few years and ensured that it will be a long time before Labor comes back into power.

    • Richard says:

      09:21am | 02/09/11

      @Eric

      Very funny. Trying to depict the born-to-rule arrogance of the right wing as a left wing trait. Nice try, but not even close.

    • Matthew says:

      09:22am | 02/09/11

      Erick and Anne71, of course they both have born-to-rule arrogance in them.  If they didn’t then they’d be in the private sector with real jobs instead of in Canberra destroying our country.

    • andye says:

      09:27am | 02/09/11

      @Erick - You were going so well in the first paragraph. Then came the second. Lazy and cheap.

    • Tchom says:

      09:39am | 02/09/11

      @Bob

      A lot of liberals are competent. I’m not convinced Abbott is. I’d feel a lot better if the LNP were offering another alternative to him

    • Dan says:

      09:45am | 02/09/11

      The ‘born to rule’ arrogance of Labor??

      Watching an opposition completely incapable of accepting that they lost the last election, I think you’re firing in the wrong direction.

    • Kay says:

      09:47am | 02/09/11

      They shouldn’t even be there, on a two party preferred system Labor would not have won the last election….....I rest my case !!!

    • RyaN says:

      09:48am | 02/09/11

      @Matthew: you can always join a party and make a difference yourself rather than just sitting there criticising. I am sure politics needs more “normal” people with real world experience.

    • Daz says:

      09:50am | 02/09/11

      Erick I have to pull you up on that one.  When you are talking core values the born to rule mentality is overwhelmingly attributable to the right and not the left.  Think about who supports the monarchy, people who are literally born to rule – the right.  Which party gives unyielding support and is supported by old money, those born to rule, and big business (think industrial relations reforms over past years) over commoners and the working classes – the right.  Left values, however poorly they may be put into action at times by political parties, are about elevating those who are weren’t born to rule.

    • JB says:

      10:01am | 02/09/11

      To Anne71, Spoken like a true die hard Labor girl!!!!

    • Lance says:

      10:15am | 02/09/11

      Born-to-rule ? This is a trait of the North Shore Liberals - rule at any cost. It is nota trait of the ALP. Witness the recent disclosure of Aboott willing to do ‘anything’ to be PM. This is exactly the sort of person we do not want in the top job. A return to failed Howard years ? God help us all.

    • Mark says:

      10:22am | 02/09/11

      @Kay

      So you think that because Kim Beazley won the two party preferred vote John Howard didn’t win that election?

      And before you rest your case next time, you might want to check your facts. Here are the 2011 results >

      Australian Labor Party 6,216,445

      Liberal/National Coalition 6,185,918  

      How embarrassment !

    • Michael N says:

      11:11am | 02/09/11

      Yes Mark - and the Coalition received about 43 percent of the Primary Vote versus Labor’s 38 percent. In the end, however, both two party preferred and primary vote are academic assessments on the national scale given we follow the Westminster system.

      @ Lance. Every time Labor parliamentarians talk about priorities they stress “the good of the party.” Given these people are actually in charge of the government at present, it would appear as though the “Rule at any price” is very much an extant labor trait. I would expect the Prime Minister and cabinet to at least pretend that what their actions are for the good of the country but evidently even that level of competence is beyond them.

    • Mark says:

      11:25am | 02/09/11

      @Michael

      I know that, but apparently you need to explain it to Kay.

    • Big Picture says:

      11:34am | 02/09/11

      @ Erick - It is not born to rule arrogance, but rather “born to presume the high moral ground and tell you how you should live”
      For example the carbon tax has no practical reason for being other than to assuage the greens guilt of consumerism

    • Bob says:

      12:21pm | 02/09/11

      Tchom: Incompetent people don’t achieve what Abbott achieved as leader of the opposition. He has (ably assisted by Labor, admittedly) destroyed the federal Labor brand. If he proves half as talented in government as he has in opposition, he’ll be one of the greatest.

      Dan: You call the last election and what followed a loss for the Liberals? The only thing they didn’t win was government… Yet. Labor “won” this election at the cost of the next three. The next election isn’t the only thing that matters, you know.

      Regarding “Born to rule” The problem Labor had is that after losing to Howard, they simply assumed that given enough time, they’d get back into power. They didn’t look at the reasons why they lost and were kept out of power. That is why they were such a failure this time round. (Before anyone thinks of calling the last election a success for Labor… Don’t. Winning that was the worst thing that could have happened to the party as a whole)

    • Jeff. Clayton says:

      04:13pm | 02/09/11

      Female leaders, Victoria, N.S.W, WA and now Canberra. You would have thought that the Labor party power brokers would have put all of them through an apprenticeship before letting them loose. All failures, all very intelligent women, all put into office at the wrong time. I feel sorry for them but Julia has to go. We can’t afford these costly mistakes from either party.

    • Super D says:

      06:24am | 02/09/11

      Julia Gillard is already gone.  The question is how long the ALP will remain in the wilderness.  It is certain that Gillard will not recontest the next election as leader.  Just as Craig Thomson won’t recontest Dobell.

      There will be a caretaker leader appointed whose sole aim is to save the furniture.  The key question then is when will the handover take place.

      This is a battle between the politicians and the party.  The current politicians will be reluctant to give up power and settle in for what will inevitable be a career ending term on the opposition benches or indeed outside the party.  The ALP however needs to have an eye to the future and needs to retain enough MP’s that they can realistically aspire to be electorally competitive before 2020.

      For the long term strategic interests of the ALP the handover should occur sooner rather than later.  If this triggers an immediate election (unlikely) then this is still in the party’s interests to take their drubbing and start rebuilding.  A leadership change allows the party to hang failed policy such as the carbon tax, mining tax and even extreme IR reregulation to the fallen leader.

      It really comes down to who do you back - the pollies or the party.  Historically I would have thought the interests of the party would prevail.  The problem though is that the NSW Labor machine has infected the party to such an extent with its power at all costs ethos that the short term wishes of the pollies will trump the long term interests of the party.

    • andye says:

      10:43am | 02/09/11

      This is yet another probable power shift where some people are saying things like “this could be the end of the Labor party”. You are a little more circumspect, talking about time in the “wilderness”. Thing is, I have heard that kind of talk before, about both parties. It never seems to pan out that way.

      The Liberals are going to have to face the problems if they find themselves running the show. The dream Liberal supporters have of winning will become much more complicated, and Tony will find himself held responsible for all sorts of things that are out of his control.

      You can be sure that this new style of “political debate” in Australia (trailing the USA), which the right has been doing brilliantly while in opposition will be turned around. Every single action, policy will be attacked by the left. Exaggeration, fear-mongering… this is the game the Liberals have brought into play, and they must expect to have to defend against similar tactics when they are in power.

      See, the liberals have set themselves a pretty high target. They have blamed everything on Labor, called them incompetent even while Australia is in a very enviable position after the GFC. The expectations they have set may not meet the reality, especially if our housing bubble is deflating and much larger world economic factors affect us.

      Tony is also going to have to make some choices in setting policy rather than vacillating between conflicting views depending on who he is talking to… right now he is feting the anti-climate change crowd while simultaneously proposing a massively expensive taxpayer funded direct action plan on carbon.

      This is a game for votes right now, but it will be a different game when they achieve power.

    • dovif says:

      11:15am | 02/09/11

      andye

      The enviable position after the GFC has very little to do with the ALP

      Keating (ALP) left Australia with $90 billion in debt

      Howard (Lib) left Australia with 0 debt

      Gillard (ALP) currently is up to $110 billion in debt

      That should tell you the extend of competence

    • andye says:

      11:40am | 02/09/11

      @dovif - Yes, the ALP must be held accountable for everything! Well, except good things. Those just happened by themselves.

      It seems a lot of people want it both ways. Even a tax that doesn’t exist yet is blamed for all sorts of things, yet Labor can take no credit for where we are under their leadership. They are held responsible for everything people want to complain about, but not any of the positive things about where Australia stands at the moment.

      I am not saying they haven’t made mistakes - it seems the stimulus was overcooked and we would have been saved by China anyhow… but its easy to say that now. Before any of this happened, they would have been making a pretty risky bet doing nothing. The fact remains that we are where we are under their leadership. If you have a problem with the deficit, that is fine and justified.

      The “have it both ways” argument, however? Give me a break.

    • dovif says:

      12:16pm | 02/09/11

      andye

      Actually, Wikileak told us that the RBA told the government not to panick, because in RBA’s view China would save us.

      But because Swann stopped people from spending by running around and claiming the “inflation genie” was out of the bottle, the ALP had to over react or Swann would have been blamed, so dispite advise from the RBA to not over spend, they overspend.

      ANd then the mismanagement of the BER and Insulation means a lot of it end up being wasted

    • Andrejs says:

      12:45pm | 02/09/11

      @andye
      The only reason, the ONLY reason that Australia weathered the GFC so well is because of the setup.

      You cannot seriously attribute our success at the time to the policies of Rudd and Swan.

      If you look again at the numbers dovif quotes, it is very telling on the different styles of the two parties.  Labor unquestionably spends and wastes, while the Liberals repay and conserve.

      Neither Rudd nor Gillard’s goverments were competent, the results are clear to most of Australia by now.

    • Loxy says:

      12:45pm | 02/09/11

      Super D - Nothing in politics is ever certain, however I would bet money on the fact that if Abbott becomes PM and Labour appoints a new, fresh leader that Labour won’t be in the wilderness for very long. Abbott has never been popular and once people get a taste of the Mad Monk governing our country they will quickly see he is just as much of a dud as Julia!

    • Rob of Adelaide says:

      01:10pm | 02/09/11

      I agree with Super D.  The issue for the Party must be damage mitigation.  Let’s remember that Labor only need to loose 1 seat at the next election to loose Government.  One seat!!.  At the moment, they stand to loose about 35.  So, the question on the minds of the smarter strategists within Labor must be about the lesser of two evils. 

      Either limit the damage by changing leader now, or wait and throw the dice in 2 years.  Even if the polls improve a little (which seems unlikely given the force of the CO2 tax will be in full swing),  Labor will be cast into political oblivion for at least 3, and probably 4 terms.  If Labor utilise Crean now, they can probably limit the damage to 1 or 2 terms.  Of course, Crean has to be willing to be a sacrificial lamb!!  However, the changeover to Shorten or Smith or another upcoming Labor star can be managed over the time in opposition.

      Sure, this scenario is a long-shot with many variables and I am sure you can think of quite a few.  But the fact remains that it is extremely unlikely that the election in 2013 will be anything but a Labor bloodbath.  The Independents and Wilkie are bluffing on their support agreement being solely with Gillard, and she is totally toxic to the electorate.  Hoping for improvement, and rolling the dice in 2013 is an incredibly risky proposition.

    • andye says:

      01:23pm | 02/09/11

      @Andrejs - Its also pretty easy to argue that Howard reigned through some lucky times and that was as much of a factor as any economic management.

      as @dovif said, China was a big factor in our recent weathering of the storm. of course it is easy to “know” this in hindsight.

    • dovif says:

      01:35pm | 02/09/11

      Andye

      No it was not hindsight, RBA told the government that before the GFC, the ALP just did not listen

      Wikileak told us that RBA told the government that specificly

    • egg says:

      02:43pm | 02/09/11

      @andye, my god, you sound so… reasonable and articulate. are you sure you meant to post on the punch? we don’t get much of that ‘round these parts. wink

    • Wayne says:

      02:54pm | 02/09/11

      dovif
      Those timelines for when Liberal were in power correspond to good good global economic times In actual fact the Howard govt should have been able to hand over a far better surplus than they did given how much the mining boom brought in.  Besdies holding on to money and failing to invest in essential infrastructure only ends up costing the next govt more in infrastructure repairs and investment. You are entitled to your opinion but what I have outlined is a perspective worth reviewing.

    • andye says:

      03:53pm | 02/09/11

      @dovif - Yes, I am aware of that. What I was saying is that it is easy in hindsight to point out that one person or group foretold something and that we should have known. At the time, however, it was the choice between various viewpoints. Nobody could be completely sure that was going to happen.

      @egg - Haha, thanks. Compliments are few and far between round these here parts!

    • Martin says:

      04:09pm | 02/09/11

      @Wayne, ah the same old excuses for Labor. Wayne when did the Labor party provide a surplus? What a bout Whitlam and the Khemlani affair? Was it good economic management from Keating that gave Howard a $96 Billion problem to fix? BTW, we are on the best trade terms in over a century. How come we are indebted for well over $100 Billion? There seems to be common theme here. Labor is useless with money and cannot be trusted to run our economy.

    • PTom says:

      04:49pm | 02/09/11

      @dovif
      Howard left a debt even increased it, before reducing under the start of the mining boom.

      Nice going mixing statments made in February 2008 and events in October 2008.

      Did you tell everyone why Swan was saying start of 2008? No I guess the fact that we 5% inflation and was loooking at going higher had nothing to do with. Did not Cosetello warning about the same thing?

    • James says:

      07:53pm | 02/09/11

      @Dovif - simply talking about deficit to prove competence or incompetence is simplistic and misleading. Leaving a surplus with zero infrastructure can be worse than having a deficit but with lots of productive infrastructure. Otherwise you are saying that every Australian with no home loan is an economic genius and all those with home loans are complete fools.

    • Martin says:

      12:49pm | 03/09/11

      @PTom, how the hell do you Labor dunces come up with the idea that Workchoices reduced productivity? The whole essense of Worchoices was to provide incentives for hard working employees to negotiate an individual contract based on their merits. More productive more pay. I don’t expect crusted on union brainwashed dills to understand this concept. As for the rubbish re the GFC the Coalition supported the first round of stimulus but argued that the second round was too large, a view that is shared by the RBA. As per usual, Labor people resort to bullshitting to attempt to get a point accross. That’s why Labor’s at 27% and falling, nobody is willing to listen to the bullshit any longer.

    • Anichol says:

      08:24pm | 06/09/11

      @Wayne
      A surplus is easy when you dont spend on much needed infustructer as Howard did.
      Name anything Howard gave us for our taxes besides the surplus?
      12 years of stagnation is what we got and now we are paying for it but god bless him for our surlpus.
      If im going to pay tax then i want services not surplus!
      This is not in anyway a defence of the current government but to let Howard off just because he delivered a surplus is pathetic!
      We got a surplus because he cut funding to major services like hospitals.
      If im wrong please give links so i can see for myself as the majority of my investigating has lead me to believe Howard cut survices and hid behind tax cuts.

    • Steve says:

      06:26am | 02/09/11

      “Both Iemma and Bligh were able to secure improbable victories, albeit victories which said more about the uselessness of the oppositions than the strength of their governments.”

      Well if it was because of the uselessness of the oppositions, perhaps Labor still has a chance if they change leaders.

    • Rob says:

      09:14am | 02/09/11

      Steve, your optimism is breathtaking, however, you cant outlaw stupidity or voting for the ALP.

    • Matthew says:

      09:30am | 02/09/11

      Steve is right.  Abbott is as unpopular as Julia.  The liberals need a young fresh faced positive (ie, Rudd before 2007, minus the young bit) pollie in and they’d get a landslide victory.

      No one wants Abbott or Gillard to lead and going into the next election with them both at the helm will just spell disaster again.

    • Murray says:

      09:39am | 02/09/11

      @Rob - “you can’t outlaw stupdity or voting for the ALP”... or voting for the Lib/Nats. Different labels, same incompetence and only interested in themselves.

    • Martin says:

      10:58am | 02/09/11

      What deluded Labor nonsense. Do you Labor crustons ever deal with reality? This government is useless. It makes mistake after mistake, is at 27% primary vote and falling, and you dummies want to somehow think Abbott wouldn’t walk in in a landslide. You dills have underestimated the bloke since 2009 and he’s made dopes out of you ever since. Labor is a hopeless, pathetic rabble, and bullshitting like you guys do ad infinitum only compounds the problem. People have had enough of Labor’s spin, and are walking away in droves. Until the Labor party starts acting in an honest, open fashion and starts governing in the interest of the country and not themeselves, they will continue to poll woefully and will be turfed at the next election.

    • Wayne says:

      03:12pm | 02/09/11

      Martin

      Out of interest what Liberal policies will you be making your voting decision on ?

      No mining tax ? - Watch the money flow out of Australia via all the OS dominated mining companies as our land is raped dry of natural resources.

      No cabron tax or ETS ? - Watch as the rest of the world penalise us by taxing us to do business with them because they have implemented an ETS and we have not. It is already happening. It is best to have a tax domestically where the money goes back in to our economy not OS.

      Nauru processing ? - It may still prove unlawful as it has not passed yesterdays HCA protection tests.

      Its not about the party its about the policies.

    • Martin says:

      04:02pm | 02/09/11

      @Wayne, and what Labor policies will you be making your decision on? Malaysian Solution, Pink Batts, Grocery Watch, Fuel Watch, BER, NBN,, ridiculous do nothing Carbon Tax etc. Wake up. The Libs had policies that worked in relation to asylum seekers for instance, and Labor canned them. Look at what we have now. As for your emotive spin on Carbon pricing, it is not good policy it is an impost on business making us uncompetive, thus reducing income. That’s the problem, Labor has this philosphy of tax and punishment, the Lib’s look at what will be good for the country stimulating growth. Hope this helps.

    • Semi Concerned Citizen says:

      04:06pm | 02/09/11

      Wayne,

      How many countries/states are winding back their ETS /Carbon schemes?
      Also which countries ETS/Carbon scheme has achieved something for the environment and not someones wallet?

    • PTom says:

      05:01pm | 02/09/11

      @Martin
      Do mean like workchoice which cut productivity or do you mean like Direct Action?

      May be the government should have sat back on their hands and wait and see what happens oversea before taking action like the Liberals suggested during the GFC.

      @Semi Concerned Citizen
      How many are bring in a ETS or a Carbon Price? lets see China, India, Brazil and even Indonesia to name a few.

    • nihonin says:

      06:29am | 02/09/11

      In this her year of decision and delivery, I think she should make the decision to stand down and deliver on it, for the sake of the Labor Party.  Our first female PM, she has that honour, also has the honour of being the first PM never elected twice as well the first female PM never elected outright, not only once but twice.

    • Northern Steve says:

      07:17am | 02/09/11

      Plenty of other PMs who weren’t elected twice:
      Keating, Rudd, Sneddon, McMahon and Holt, although for the last it wasn’t really his fault.

    • Paul C says:

      07:55am | 02/09/11

      Say, there’s a solution nobody has thought of, perhaps Julia could just take to the waters off Portsea - think of the sympathy votes!

    • Roger says:

      10:01am | 02/09/11

      No Prime Minister in Australia has even been elected by the Australian public. I think you learn a little about the Constitution and Australian politics before you make a comment.

    • bully says:

      10:06am | 02/09/11

      LOL @ Paul C. I could not have said it better myself. Maybe she can also take her entire party for a swim?

    • M Python says:

      10:45am | 02/09/11

      @ gobsmack & PaulC
      Problem is if she’s really a witch she’ll float.

      She’s a witch????  Burn Her, Burn Her, Burn Her

    • John K says:

      10:49am | 02/09/11

      @ Roger ...............Roger that!  But who Cares?  The reality is that the people do vote for the muppet out front saying “To vote for me, you need to vote for your local member - Joe Blogs”  So technically you are correct, in reality you are wrong.  Otherwise we wouldn’t see these tour de forces at election time, where the leader is running around the country trying to sure up votes.  The Labor drones voted for KEVIN 07, not for Juliar Buzzard or anyone else.  @Paul C - classic comment!  If only….........

    • N/A says:

      12:28pm | 02/09/11

      It has to be said: Julia Gillard = Lady Macbeth. Got her way by deviant means, didn’t care who got done in.

    • nihonin says:

      09:45am | 03/09/11

      Roger, why then do we have Kevin 07 T shirts and not the local member for my division T shirts, obviously I misread the intent of the advertising campaign as undertaken by Labor.  The t shirts must have been misprinted….......oops.

    • TChong says:

      06:30am | 02/09/11

      Yep, she needs to go.
      With Oz politics ( like every other western nation) now reduced to sound bites and bufoonery ( eg Abbott ) , Gillard just cant compete.

    • Against the Man says:

      06:52am | 02/09/11

      Mr TChong aka Mr No Credibility and an employee of ALP HQ in Canberra (he never denied it) should know all about bufoonery (though he got it wrong about Abbott), it is after all his and his party’s area of specialty smile

    • Joan says:

      08:18am | 02/09/11

      Yep she needs to go. ALP has no other option- can’t get worse. Australians then deserve an election to clear the air - the total lack of confidence in this minority government.  a government that had its roots sowed by clowns of independents Oakeshott , Windsor , Wilke dithering plotting and planning this time last year, leaving voters hanging in limbo for over two weeks. Nobody has forgotten that charade - and nobody takes the clowns seriously- Australians seriously worried that Gillard has given the clowns too much power. Australian voters want to correct that very bad mistake , bring on an election., the circus has gone on long enough.

    • Chris Worsley says:

      09:29am | 02/09/11

      Yes she can she is the master of it

    • Chris says:

      10:08am | 02/09/11

      Yes she can,  if anybody is a master of “sound bites and bufoonery” its Julia Gilliard

    • Osiris Fox says:

      10:41am | 02/09/11

      Yeah, she’s moving forward so that we can move forward OK!

    • Jimmy says:

      06:32am | 02/09/11

      Gillard is the Coalitions best weapon, leave her there.

    • TomZ says:

      09:23am | 02/09/11

      Rudd did allright for the coalition too. They are talking about picking Rudd as the nightwatchman.

      Or Beattie to do a “mea culpa”, hahahahhahah.

      As someone said up there, the electorate is pretty stupid so Labor probably has not abandonned hope completely.

    • TimB says:

      06:32am | 02/09/11

      Should Gillard go? Yes. And she should take the whole damn government with her.

      Inept, corrupt, and useless. Worst government in Australia’s history.

      Clinging on to power at this point is just going to hurt the country more. Step aside and let the Coalition take a crack at fixing up the mess of the last 4 years. .

    • Dee says:

      07:42am | 02/09/11

      TimB : I couldn’t agree with you more!
      This Government has been nothing but an insult to every Australian’s intelligence since they came to power, they have to go, Julia and her Comrades have just about brought Australia to it’s knees, in just 14mnths!
      She will go down in history for being not only Australia’s first female Prime Minister, but the worst Prime Minister Australia has ever had!!

    • Margie says:

      07:45am | 02/09/11

      But it would prove to be even worse if the Master of Spin, Beattie were ensconsed in the position.  We would be worse than Greece then.  He ignoes reality, & it is just photo opportunities and spin, lies.  Food the people allo the time.  God Help Us!!!!

    • Knemon says:

      09:13am | 02/09/11

      @ TimB - “let the Coalition take a crack at fixing up the mess of the last 4 years” - What mess? Unemployment around 5%, interest rates on hold, overall the economy is humming along fine.

      What would the coalition do differently? The carbon tax doesn’t come into effect until next year, so dropping that won’t make any difference to our current situation, the current world economy won’t change, Craig Thomson has no effect on the economy, the resources boom isn’t going to stop, asylum seekers will still seek refuge in Australia and The Greens will still hold balance of power in the senate.

      So what exactly would that ‘crack’ involve? What am I failing to see? It appears that you are after change purely for change sake, which is your prerogative and that’s fine, it’s politics after all, but the reality is, nothing would really change, except of course, Gillard would not be our PM and Abbott would be.

      From a personal point of view, It wouldn’t have any effect on me either way, I just happen to have slightly more time for Gillard than I do for Abbott.

    • Richard says:

      09:25am | 02/09/11

      @Tim

      That’s exactly what they told Howard in 2007, but would he listen?

    • Nathan says:

      09:27am | 02/09/11

      /signed.

    • Andrew says:

      10:22am | 02/09/11

      Abbott scares me more.

    • Keith Hammersmith says:

      10:47am | 02/09/11

      @ Knemon “It appears that you are after change purely for change sake”
      isnt that why people voted out Howard?  I mean the economy was in better shape, in fact some might argue the only reason the economy is doing as well as it is now is due to the state of it as left by the howard years for the ALP to pick up.  It must have been nice to have a surplus to throw around.

    • TimB says:

      11:59am | 02/09/11

      No Knemon, I want change to head off further damage.

      “What mess? Unemployment around 5%, interest rates on hold, overall the economy is humming along fine.”

      And theres storm clouds on the horizon. There’s been rumblings of a GFC Mk II for some time. And what do we have in the piggybank to deal with it? Nothing. The cupboard is bare. Why? 4 years of Labor financial waste under the guise of (unneccesarry) stimulus packages.
      And on top of all that they want to throw on a Carbon tax as well. It’s a recipie for disaster.

      BTW there’s a massive logical flaw in your argument. Saying the carbon tax doesn’t matter because it won’t come in until next year? Huh?

      Leaving Labor in until 2013 = Carbon tax.
      Voting the Coalition in now = No carbon tax. We avoid the pain and end up better off.

      As for asylum seekers, the current issue has been caused by Labor’s policies. Had the Coalition remained in power, we wouldn’t be discussion the issue now- there wouldn’t be one.

      It’s quite simple. Lets limit the damage already done by the current mob and get a head start in fixing it. Or it’s just going to be worse in a couple years time.

    • Andrew says:

      01:14pm | 02/09/11

      Yep labor have overspent, but we avoided the recession that the rest of the world experienced for 3 reason in no particular order:
      1. Good terms of trade with china
      2. Stimulus
      3. Good financial health at a federal level
      4. Well regulated financial system

      If GFC mark 2 arrives it doesnt matter how much money we have in the bank. The USA and europe have no where to go with rates and stimulus, if the USA and europe tank and default then it is a global depression, nothing can save us from that.

    • Knemon says:

      01:32pm | 02/09/11

      @ TimB - “there’s a massive logical flaw in your argument. Saying the carbon tax doesn’t matter because it won’t come in until next year?”

      No flaw Tim - You said the current government should step aside now; we’re talking now not then. Plus I actually support the carbon tax.

      GFC Mk II - Nothing Abbott does can change that.

      “Labor financial waste under the guise of (unneccesarry) stimulus packages” - Try telling that to construction industry workers among others who were kept employed.

      As for asylum seekers - They were around long before Howard and they will be around long after Gillard. - Abbott can’t change that fact either.

      If things are as bad as you say TimB - why are we the envy of other major economies around the world? We have one of the best standards of living and foreign investment is at record highs - basket case economies don’t achieve such conditions.

      We should not just change governments because of conservatism say so. We will have another election in 2013, the people can then decide who should be in government, if the LNP are elected then so be it.

    • TimB says:

      04:37pm | 02/09/11

      “No flaw Tim - You said the current government should step aside now; we’re talking now not then”

      Yes. If they step aside now, we don’t get a tax. If they step aside later we DO get a tax. So there IS a difference. I don’t care if you support the tax.

      And we’re the envy of the world because the previous Coalition government left us in good shape to weather the storm. We’re not in that shape now. Because of Labor.
      If we want to get back to where we were, we’re going to need better financial management than have Labor provided. And the sooner we start on that, the better off we’ll be. Especially if we *don’t* embark on a idiotic Carbon tax that will just put as at further disadvantage.

    • Knemon says:

      05:32pm | 02/09/11

      Have a nice weekend TimB - The sky wont fall.

    • Brian Taylor says:

      06:43am | 02/09/11

      the Labor Party has completely lost the plot a year ago when they dunped Rudd.
      I don’t suport labor but what they did in kicking out rudd was wrong and now its come back to bite them on the arse.
      it’d be far better to pull the plug and call an election, take the flogging thats coming their way and rebuild from the base up.
      any other way and they’ll still lose
      couldn’t wait to get up this mrning to see if labor has stuffed up again over night, bit dissapointed to find they haven’t, but the day is early yet lol

    • Brian Taylor says:

      06:43am | 02/09/11

      the Labor Party has completely lost the plot a year ago when they dunped Rudd.
      I don’t suport labor but what they did in kicking out rudd was wrong and now its come back to bite them on the arse.
      it’d be far better to pull the plug and call an election, take the flogging thats coming their way and rebuild from the base up.
      any other way and they’ll still lose
      couldn’t wait to get up this mrning to see if labor has stuffed up again over night, bit dissapointed to find they haven’t, but the day is early yet lol

    • Dash says:

      06:45am | 02/09/11

      Voters are not stupid enough to fall for the change of leader trick again. It will still be the same old rotten Labor party. The same people who have delivered the worst government in Australias history. What’s the point of getting rid of Gillard without changing the fundamentals of the party which have caused the trouble in the first place. The ALP need to move awsay from the left and try to regain the middle ground. They will only do that with policy change.

      No use changing the skipper of a sinking ship. They need a new ship!

    • We'redoomed says:

      08:21am | 02/09/11

      Well said. It is definitely the left rubbish that has destroyed Labor.

    • Michael says:

      08:22am | 02/09/11

      Exactly Dash, if they change leader now they have no time to deliver on any improvements and will pull the old we will deliver everything everyone ever wanted starting in 3 years with completion of everything ever wanted by anyone anywhere due in 2016/17 ish sort of, including a surplus hopefully, if everything goes to plan and nothing we didn’t know we knew we weren’t aware of occurs at anytime in the seeable or unforseeable future.

      Lets not forget Workchoices2 people…giggitty giggitty.

    • Chris Worsley says:

      09:48am | 02/09/11

      Totally agree, just look at her team they are just a bunch of inepts,  Wayne Swan for instance is he really the best they have to offer Australia to guide our economy,  the whole bunch are pathetic.  whatever the public opinion is of Tony Abbott at the moment, he does lead a strong team.

    • jay-ded says:

      12:15pm | 02/09/11

      Spot on Dash.  Good to see you back.  smile

    • GrahamB says:

      02:10pm | 04/09/11

      Dash,voters are stupid,if they weren’t ,we would not be in this mess. All voters should be swinging voters,that focus on policy and performance of those policies. It is the only way to keep governments Labor-Liberal -Green etc: accountable to the electorate.

    • Against the Man says:

      06:49am | 02/09/11

      Well it is interesting to note that Gillard has done exactly what I predicted she would do, but it really isn’t much of a surprise. A screw up in real life and a screw up in her political one, really it can’t get any sweeter smile

    • iansand says:

      06:51am | 02/09/11

      ALP tradition requires the installation of a woman as leader in the face of electoral disaster.

    • Michael says:

      09:09am | 02/09/11

      So progessive.

    • dovif says:

      01:44pm | 02/09/11

      It is never the faceless men’s fault

      It is always the women who gets the baseball bat

      Kirnot, Lawrence, KKK, Bligh, Gillard

    • frankr says:

      02:46pm | 02/09/11

      dovif,

      who the hell is kirnot??

    • jo says:

      06:54am | 02/09/11

      Bring Kevin Rudd back I will vote for him,  but never have and will never vote for Julia,  and will never vote for the labor thugs that sacked an elected by the people PM.  Mark Arbid, was in talks with America about dumping Rudd, a year before the undemocratic, midnight, overnight sacking of Kevin Rudd, as stated by Wilkileaks Cables.  That gave them a whole year to discredit Kevin Rudd,  Anyway Labor keeps everything behind close doors, who know the real reason, Why they dumped Kevin Rudd.

    • L. says:

      07:27am | 02/09/11

      “Bring Kevin Rudd back I will vote for him”

      Why..??.. Serious question.

      Besides saying “sorry”, what did Rudd ever deliver..??

    • jf says:

      07:41am | 02/09/11

      What did saying “sorry” deliver”?

      How did it that, or any other policy, measure or action by this government, improve the lives of aboriginal Australians by one iota.

    • wolf says:

      07:57am | 02/09/11

      ^ this
      The hilarious thing is the current predicament of the ALP (and hell while we’re at it by extension the Australian government) is all down to a bunch of factional clowns making a grab for power at whatever cost.
      It makes me incredibly sad when I think about what we have lost as a country when Rudd took the advice of those who would later knife him instead of sticking to the policies that got him elected in the first place.
      After Howard they should have comfortably had at least 3 terms to address the issues with infrastructure and healthcare and provide a decent platform to address climate change. However, due to hubris and incompetence they will be lucky to see out a 2nd.

    • Geoff - Brisbane says:

      08:43am | 02/09/11

      @L.

      In the supermarket when the prices advertise “$x per 1kg” on each label. I believe this was a Rudd idea. Correct me if i am wrong. Other than that he didn’t really do much (that worked)

    • RyaN says:

      09:55am | 02/09/11

      @Jo: so he can call our Chinese counterparts “Rat F*&kers;” again?
      Maybe he can abuse a couple more members of our armed services over a hairdryer or some food?
      Sure lets get that scumbag back!

    • Wag the Dog says:

      10:18am | 02/09/11

      I believe you may have overlooked the astounding, paradigm-shift Alcopops legislation. Another clever tax-raising initiative from Rudd Labor.

    • L. says:

      10:40am | 02/09/11

      “In the supermarket when the prices advertise “$x per 1kg” on each label”

      Ok, fair one… Hardly the stuff of a “great” leader, but handy none the less.

    • TomZ says:

      01:48pm | 02/09/11

      Jo, you have the attention span of a goldfish if you have forgotten how bad Rudd really was. Why do you thing his party knifed him?

    • Craig says:

      06:56am | 02/09/11

      Since John Howard lost his own seat, we haven’t had a decent leader in either party that had the tenacity to stick with the job.  Nielson got knocked, Turnbull was rolled, Rudd just raised the white flag, and I doubt whether Abbott or Gillard have what it takes to hold the leadership position.  At least the Greens have kept their leader through thick and thin.  Perhaps the major parties could learn a lesson from the Greens.  I have to say that I admire a leader who can weather the storms year after year after year.  I would really like to see Gillard show some tenacity and keep the leadership even if the ALP lose the next election.

    • Lance says:

      10:23am | 02/09/11

      Yes - Howard - a sitting PM - lost his seat - shows you how well thought of he really was eh ? Howard, his government and his policies were an abject failure and they’ve all been consigned to the dustbin of history. Abbott is part of that - he just hasn’t had the good sense to realise that he’s an anchonistic hanger-on from a period of Australian political history that we’d all rather forget. Nor does he seem to comprehend that the Coalition has lost the last two elections.

    • Skip says:

      10:40am | 02/09/11

      Yes but the Green Leader Prime Minister Brown is keeping very quiet while all this with Julia is going on as I am sure that he can see that she is sinking in deep water but very slowly.  By gee I hope she takes him, Oakeshot, Windsor and all the other Independants with her!  Unfortunately I think Brown will be the only one that will live!

    • Maree says:

      10:57am | 02/09/11

      Lance: No. Howard was so forward thinking that the rest of population had not caught up ! Now we understand what John Howard was trying to do for Australia which is definately NOT what the 5 headed green/labor/independent government we have at the moment.

    • MargD says:

      12:00pm | 02/09/11

      hahahaha Craig you are truly hillarious; maybe you should try out for the X Factor.

    • Syl says:

      12:17pm | 02/09/11

      Lance:

      Howard won 4 elections and was in power for 11 years.  He did some things wrong and a lot of things right that have helped us ride through the shitstorm that has been Rudd and Gillard relatively unscathed so far.  Many agree that he was voted out because people wanted a change, not because he was a bad leader.  Some (like you undoubtedly) disagree, it still doesn’t change the length of his term or the convincing wins and reforms he achieved.

      I dont think he was perfect, far from it, but to claim his government was an abject failure is severely deluded to say the least.  Claiming so simply puts you into the hilariously comical “anti-Howard” dustbin with the rest of the rusted on Labor hacks.

      P.S. The rusted on Liberal hacks have their own dustbin too, but they’ve managed to pay for theirs.

    • joe says:

      02:51pm | 02/09/11

      Howard had to go, he had stopped listening to the people. Gillard has to go too for the same reason.

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      03:50pm | 02/09/11

      Howard was absolute crap. Built the Australian middle class welfare system. The last decent leader we had was Keating, you know the one that did all the useful stuff like float the dollar, compulsory superannuation, deregulation, dismantling tariffs etc. (not that I necessarily agree with the last one)

    • Martin says:

      04:19pm | 02/09/11

      @Shane from Melbourne (crusted on Labor dill), you forgot to thank Mr Keating for the recession we had to have and the $96 Billion worth of debt he left behind. The present Labor experiment has exceeded Keating’s record in record time!!! Yep, you are right Howard was “absolute crap”, he paid of Labor’s debt, stopped the boats and left the country in the black to the tune of over $20 Billion. Yep absolute crap.

    • John A Neve says:

      07:03pm | 02/09/11

      Martin,
      If you are one of those people who thinks Australia is a democracy?
      To claim “Labor’s debt” was paid off by the coalition is childish in the extreme.
      In a democracy the government is the people, so the debt was ours and we paid it off.
      To talk of “Labor’s debt” is old, worn out and pathetic.

    • Martin says:

      11:32am | 03/09/11

      @Neve, I’ll tell you what’s childish, Labor clowns denying reality. Everything I stated is factual, something you cannot take. The Howard government directed the funds it received to pay down debt. The Labor government presently is borrowing to support it’s spending, after blowing a $20 Billion nest egg.. Is this simple enough for you? I know you Labor nongs like to speak in riddles and talk about anything but the truth. Spin and bullshitting is the only language spoken in Labor circles, which is truly pathetic. It is your factless unsupported response that is tiresome Neve, because we have seen this time and time again from the Labor apologists. To come on here to support this government after what we have seen in the last year, is truly a act of stupidity.

    • John A Neve says:

      06:34pm | 04/09/11

      Martin,
      I note you failed to address the question?
      Obviously too hard for you.
      You then rave on about every thing but the truth! Please just try to stick to the facts. It can’t be too hard even for you.

    • Chris_D says:

      06:58am | 02/09/11

      If Labor had stuck with Rudd, they would probably have lost the last election, but I would say the Libs would be looking like an ordinary government under Abbott.  Labor would have avoided all the gross inept decision making being led by the Greens in a shaky minority Govt, and after a few years of Liberal rule, Labor would have a fresh chance at becoming a majority Govt.

      As it stands, Labor will be licking it’s wounds and asking questions of itself for decades, and the public will be too.  The sooner they have the chance to dump Gillard, the better for Labor and better for all of Australia.

    • Elphaba says:

      07:08am | 02/09/11

      Yes.  If they leave it too long, then it will be too close to an election and too late to salvage anything.

      I’m certainly no fan of the government and hope they get their just desserts at the next election, but there is a possibility they could hold onto power.  They need someone who will tell the Greens where to go, someone who will rejigg the carbon tax so it actually looks like environmental policy instead of a tax grab, and someone who can start to poke holes in Abbott’s defense so that they have a shot of winning.

      Otherwise, the ending to this story is clear.  The ALP has got no hope of changing it.  The asylum seeker deal collapse was the final nail in the coffin…

    • Sheldon says:

      07:17am | 02/09/11

      This is what Labor should do. Hang onto Juila until October of 2013 then leave poliltics and then put back in Kevin.

    • jf says:

      07:43am | 02/09/11

      I agree: Labor should leave politics.

    • Chris says:

      07:25am | 02/09/11

      Do you really think the 3 independents would withdraw their support from the ALP in the event of a leadership change? The current arrangement gives them each more power that a independent MP has any right to dream of. And they get another 2 years of it if they support the new leader.

      They’re not in any rush to lose their seats, which is probably what awaits them (maybe not Wilkie; the only one to show any backbone). Another 2 years at the trough is at stake for them.

    • We'redoomed says:

      07:26am | 02/09/11

      Of course she should go. There should be a mechanism via the voters, where such an incompetent should be shown the door long before it got to where we now are.

    • Mark says:

      09:28am | 02/09/11

      It’s called a revolution. Fortunately, we live in a democracy.

    • Dark Horse says:

      07:29am | 02/09/11

      Had the Liberal government been in power, a High Court decision could have equally impinged on one of their policies. They’re the breaks and the problem goes with the benefits of a separate, independent Judiciary, a cornerstone of our democracy.

      The key issue is that the Labor Government (not just the PM) is the poorest performing government we’ve had since Whitlam. It needs to go, but who will take its place? I’m not convinced that Abbott’s cronies have all the answers either. Regrettably, there is nobody else.

    • Murray says:

      09:47am | 02/09/11

      And therein lies Australia’s greatest problem for at least the next decade. Both parties are incompetent, both have leaders who lie and flip flop constantly and neither leader/party has the support of the country - unfortunately, in our oligarchy they are the only “choices” we have. God help Australia.

    • Martin says:

      11:30am | 02/09/11

      You have the worst government in living memory, and somehow “Abbott’s cronies” are no better? Get serious.You had 11 years of stable government previously with the coalition, and many of that government are on the opposition benches, they have the experience and were competent. So why the apathetic claptrap about no clear choice.?

    • R. Jenkins says:

      07:32am | 02/09/11

      I believe the ALP knew all along that the ‘Malaysian solution’ would fail; they only introduced it in order to divert attention from Craig Thomson.

    • Frank Golding says:

      07:50am | 02/09/11

      A small issue of chronology, R Jenkins.

    • stephen says:

      07:53am | 02/09/11

      Nah, the bags under Julia’s eyes disprove that.
      This one’s serious, and she might have to go if Nauru’s out.

    • Geez... says:

      01:29pm | 02/09/11

      OMG,,,,R Jenkins stands in line and casts a vote on election days….there lies most of the problems we find ourselves today, people

    • John Jones says:

      07:35am | 02/09/11

      From the frying pan(Rudd) into the fire ( Gillard) and they want to jump back into the frying pan (Rudd or indeed any of the amateurs, incompetents available). This is a Party that is self immolating in their own juices with their desire to cling onto power. Caucus should force her to call an election and clear the decks for the good of AUSTRALIA

    • Michael says:

      08:15am | 02/09/11

      Buring in their own juices…hmmm.smile

    • Achmed says:

      08:29am | 02/09/11

      There’s 50 or more ALP Members who would in no way agree with an election being called and their political careers being terminated.
      They may replace the PM, but they’ll hang on for the full term in the quite reasonable hope that the Libs will trip over their own feet and have their own Night of the Long Knives before the election is due.

    • Col Ateraldamage says:

      07:43am | 02/09/11

      “In every other instance the leadership changes have been a disaster and have cemented the perception that faceless factional heavies have usurped the role of the voters in hiring and firing political leaders.”
      Actually Iemma & Bligh were and are disters for the voters, bu tthen again Penbo - the party & saving one’s seat is the only criteria by which this unionist lot measure every action.
      listen to Paul Howes - expert on everything- and weep.
      Beattie - allacknowledgment but no repsonsibility & no action.  that would really ruin the fabric of the country

    • Adam Diver says:

      07:43am | 02/09/11

      Dave there is no way the independants will pull the pin. I would be happy to be proved wrong but I wouldn’t bet against it. They have shown repeatedly their willingness to cover up for the ALP already, and it seems obvious thier own self-interest is more important than competant governance.

      Labor are completely f***ed, and their few remaining friends are embarrassing themselves. But you know what, it is truly deserved.

    • Mahhrat says:

      07:51am | 02/09/11

      I find it interesting that we talk of the independants withdrawing their support like it’s some fait accompli.

      If the local polling is to be believed, they would lose their seats.  Even if they kept them, they would most certainly lose the current balance of power arrangement.

      No way no how is any politician going to give up power like that.  They just won’t. 

      So no, Labor could remove Gillard right now, and the independants would all fall into line behind the ALP.

    • Super D says:

      09:05am | 02/09/11

      Wilkie is the loose cannon.  Certainly he would require an undertaking from the other independents and Greens to support his pokies reform before he’d sign on again.

    • Mahhrat says:

      09:47am | 02/09/11

      @Super D, I agree (and I voted for the guy; I live in Denison).

      Thing is though, any election now would see a Liberal majority.  He’d lose the ability to “make a deal”.  Therefore, he’ll stay glued to the ALP until a few months out then agitate for his changes.

      The problem he has is ALP weakness is now his weakness too.  It’s a shame, because were the ALP and LNP close, his influence would have much more weight.  As it stands, he’s got everything to lose and nothing to gain by changing sides.

    • Dan says:

      11:06am | 02/09/11

      Yeah Mahrat, you’re right on with both Windsor and Oakeshotte. There’s simply no point withdrawing their support. It’d be stupid for any of the independents to pull out - Abbott will call a snap election, and they’d most likely lose.

      Wilkie is certainly the wild card. Watching him on Insiders last weekend, I expected him to soften his stance on the pokies deal. But he held firm. He’s either bluffing, or feeling remarkably confident on his support within the electorate.

      I don’t know much about Denison - is it traditionally ALP or Lib?

    • Bruce says:

      11:31am | 02/09/11

      Super d. Agree. Considering Wilkie has represented most other political partys in the past. I am not sure what he really stands for other than what is personally important to himself. Definitely a loose cannon.

    • Mahhrat says:

      02:48pm | 02/09/11

      @Dan, it’s been safely Labor for I don’t know how long - longer than I’ve been in Tassie, certainly.  It’s largely Hobart and Hobart’s suburbs - maybe 250,000 people? 

      Wilkie has been anti-pokies for years and years though.  Billboards all over the place well before last election. 

      He’s certainly no Brian Harradine, but he’s sticking to his guns, so he gets the respect.

    • Dan says:

      04:27pm | 02/09/11

      Interesting. Just looked up previous results for Denison. Wilkie should probably feel fairly comfortable.

      But, dragging the whole country to an election is never a popular move from an individual. He’d come out looking like a bit of a prat, even though he’s keeping a promise.

      He’s unpredictable, but I still can’t see him ever abandoning Gillard. The independent’s contempt for Abbott is pretty thinly veiled.

    • Chris Martin says:

      04:56pm | 02/09/11

      yes Mahhrat, and less than 14,000 people directly voted for this man who holds the fate of 20,000,000in his hands. and people say they’re scared of tony abbott ffs?

    • Dan says:

      07:08pm | 02/09/11

      Chris -

      It was an ALP candidate who polled the most votes. So I really don’t think Wilkie putting Gillard in power is some miscarriage of justice.

      And what’s the guy done that’s so radical and terrifying? Put forward a mostly non-controversial reform of poker machines?

    • Unsettled says:

      09:31am | 03/09/11

      thanks guys for an analysis of the Independents’ role in this sorry mess. I’ve got a better understanding now of why they are sticking with Gillard come hell or high water. If I could add my own tentative assessment here, regardless of the reasoning I can’t imagine the public will forgive them for retaining their power at the expense of the country’s perceived well-being?

    • Steve says:

      02:22pm | 03/09/11

      Tasmania will forgive Wilkie because they are a Labor state.

      Oakshot and Windsor are from conservative electorates. Go and look up the primary votes.

      They must feel betrayed by their support og gillard so it is a question of has the prork barrelling soothed the feelings of betrayal?

      There is no doubt that at the next election those 2 seats will be very interesting to watch.

    • mrtiedt says:

      07:54am | 02/09/11

      “With the High Court striking down the Malaysian solution on asylum seekers as an unconstitutional non-solution…”

      Actually, if you had read it, you would know that the decision said almost nothing about the constitution - the Malaysia Solution fell foul of an ordinary act of parliament, one the government could easily change if they managed to cobble 76 votes together.

      That said, hard to imagine any of the independent being interested. Certainly the coalition and Bandt will not be.

    • Peter says:

      10:35am | 02/09/11

      And there is no way that the greens would agree to this in the senate

    • Kim says:

      07:31pm | 02/09/11

      @peter

      As with the ETS, the Greens would be irrelevant if the Coalition were bipartisan, but they’ll never let go of their beloved dog whistle.

    • gobsmack says:

      07:56am | 02/09/11

      It’s too late for her to go.  Not being able to sink any lower, I think she should drop all caution and come out swinging.  She might even surprise herself.
      BTW, the High Court did not find that the “Malaysian solution” was “unconstitutional”, they found that Bowen’s declaration did not accord with the Migration Act.

    • MarK says:

      09:31am | 02/09/11

      Having as a suggestion a Prime Minister flail away in anger and desperation is a puerile idea.

      It has been what she is doing in any case. Look how well that has worked out.

    • gobsmack says:

      10:48am | 02/09/11

      @MarK
      I think part of her problem is that she has tried to please too many people and ended up pleasing no-one.
      My hope is that given the prospect of overwhelming electoral victory, Abbott will drop some of his crowd pleaser policies (his maternity leave proposal comes to mind).

    • MarK says:

      11:19am | 02/09/11

      I have no doubt Abbott will drop his matenrity leave proposal or amend it as to be unrecognisable.

      He will also drop the direct action plan for a zero cost sensible plan but that is moot.

      We are discussing Gillard.

      I take your point that she has been trying to please too many people but that was touted as her strength. “The great negotiator.”

      As I have been saying for a year she really is the great capitulator and like all weak yes men eventually it catches up with you.

      The majority of her problem is she really just is not capable of doing this job.

    • Peter Brown says:

      07:57am | 02/09/11

      She should resign - she won’t.
      Three good Labor people should cross the floor and give us an election - they won’t
      At 27% labor has something to build on. At 20% or less they are gone for a generation and will need a name change. Also at 20% they must be getting close to insolvency as members and sponsors dry up.
      Labor has been good for Democracy in Australia. Trashing them like this is in no-ones interest.
      Julia experiment - FAIL!

    • BobM says:

      10:14am | 02/09/11

      @Peter - Labor’s sponsors and donors are already drying up. Even if they last until the next election, they will lose it in a landslide, the way things are going.  Donors are already wondering why they should throw good money on a lost cause. I would say that the Libs are probably getting a windfall of donations from jockeys who have decided to switch horses.

    • Angry God of Townsville says:

      07:57am | 02/09/11

      Has anyone considered that Labor knows it is gone at the next election. Knowing this, they are making the work required by the returned Coalition government so hard and financially brutal so that they can return to the game sooner than the 20 years they deserve to be exiled to the wilderness.

      They will make the Coalition enact a load of harsh, but required policies, so they may be painted as brutal and uncaring. The elements of the media with soft heads will aggressively attack these policies to promote the return of the very persons that required the policies on the hope that the 20% that Penbo believes need to “Wake Up” and give us 3 to 5 years o more rampant stupidity.

      The problem for journo’s is that the last coalition government was relatively boring, this is why they concocted and confected outrage over relatively minor issues to sell copy. This government has been a tragic tale worthy of the Bard, yet as bad as it is for Australia, it has been a dream for the Newspapers and the media in general.

      I believe that this is why they have failed to adequately prosecute the sins of this tragedy until they became to significant to disguise.

    • D.Isgusted says:

      09:11am | 02/09/11

      yep
      exactly what happend in the UK - and in NSW.
      Pull it down then knock the mob coming in
      Mr Robertson in NSW does it every minute of the day - moral high ground from a man who opposed privatisation to big note himself parachuted in to the upper house , got into the lower house with a huge last minute push using Union people & now pontificates on everything, using a carefully crafted ‘report’ today.
      pathetic

    • Dan says:

      09:56am | 02/09/11

      Well, Angry, you lived up to your name.

      That’s completely absurd. I can understand some cynicism to the workings of Government, but you’re now talking in conspiracy theories.

      The Government is trying to govern. All Governments are guided to a degree by opinion polls, but the best way to earn the trust of the voter is to govern effectively.

      Case in point - why is the Labor Government bringing in a carbon tax? It’s a tax, they know it’s electoral poison. It’d be much easier to avoid altogether. But they know it’s an important reform.
      (And don’t say ‘because the Greens want it’ - they don’t hold anything like that much power in the new Government).

      The idea that Labor would bring a wrecking ball through the country, planning to spend 2 years making their successors job harder, is madness. For one - where is the evidence? What policy will be such a disaster, requiring expensive and difficult fixes under a Coalition Government?

      As for the media - the Howard Government got the treatment it deserved. The GST was properly scrutinised. It’s approach to asylum seekers and Native Title was described as harsh, because they were. And they were laughed at before the ‘07 election, because the tax cuts and pork promised was ridiculous. Only very rarely will a party lose an election, promising more money than the other guy.

      The Coalition will win the next election, but Labor will govern as effectively as they feel possible until that time.

    • Angry God of Townsville says:

      11:30am | 02/09/11

      Dan, You do realise that the main reason that labor is bringing in the Carbon Tax is to raise money because they cannot spend it fast enough. Same reason for the MRRT, they spend what is not theirs and borrow more and ultimately they have to show a reasonable amount of income or our credit rating would go to hell.

      The carbon dioxide tax is not going to reduce the amount of carbon dioxide expelled,  It relies on permits bought from overseas and will not reduce the pollution one iota. It will increase costs and make those who trade in this market rich from the transferring of a non-tangible asset from unstable and already failed markets for no benefit.

      This is not courageous, it is stupid. It is not reform, because the objectives of the tax when inspected from the information provided on the mail out and website prove that our emissions will not decrease just that we will purchase abatements from other countries that will provide these offsets and keep their third world populations in poverty.

      That people are not offended by the desire that we oppress by the use of this trade highlights the lack of insight into the establishment of these sorts of non-tangible markets. For them to be successful they require the issuing countries to either emit less or lie about their emissions.

      If this form of stupidity is not clearly a wrecking ball, designed to remove our natural advantage of what should be low cost power for the advancement of our industries, I do not know what is.

      You should almost hope that they are conspiring to achieve this, otherwise they are just so monumentally stupid that a normal person would be ashamed to admit that they voted for them.

    • Dan says:

      12:17pm | 02/09/11

      For the sake of the argument, lets say your above opinion is true. The carbon tax is a pointless exercise, designed to bring in revenue and fill Government coffers. It’s essentially an exercise in money-making, both for the Government and those nasty traders at Macquarie Bank.

      That totally contradicts your original argument. Labor is committing political suicide for a pointless money-making venture? If they were committed to power at all costs, and creating a mess for the future Coalition Government, why have it in place? Why not waste more money on vote-buying programs (as they’re so frequently accused of) and put us in more debt? There are so many other avenues Labor could choose to waste money, and create problems. A carbon tax is the least efficient.

      If they’re hell-bent on destruction, why not cut taxes, up spending, over-regulate the markets and reward their union mates?

      Those that traditionally hate the ALP can’t understand why they’re supporting a carbon tax. I think you’re one of them. Mostly, I think it’s because it sounds like a Coalition policy. A market mechanism, letting trade help solve problems. It’ll actually create jobs, drive investment into new areas, and put us in great standing on an international level. It’ll also allow for cuts to income and company taxes - something Coalition voters love. There’s a reason Malcolm Turnbull likes it.

      Your above argument referred to the many flaws in emissions trading schemes. They’re a new market and concept, and like anything they have their issues. The EU is a case in point. But those problems are being addressed, and there’s no point abandoning it now. At best, we move to an ETS in 2015. There’s plenty of time before then, and I think you’ll be surprised by the results.

    • John Oh says:

      07:58am | 02/09/11

      The question is: is she smart enough to realise she cant work with these people who are at the best idealists and at the worst sabotaging Australia, and are doing both?

    • kb says:

      07:06pm | 02/09/11

      i think she shold go ,it appears only friends and families of the PM seems to be supporting the Labour party at the moment

    • ago says:

      08:01am | 02/09/11

      As a whole, it looks like everyone here wants to see ‘whats best for Australia’ regardless of political persuasiuon.Unfortunately the pollies want the power above all else. Long gone are the statesman, and now the cronies run the show.  *sigh*

    • drecked says:

      08:02am | 02/09/11

      Labor is not and never has been capable of running this country
      because most of them come from the union movement and their
      only claim to fame is screwing the company’s who employ people!
      they do the same to the country
      and before you are going to tell me how bad they are you
      don’t have to work for them you can start your own business.
      But It means hard work Bugger ! they hate that word work but
      like it or not you’ll be working for while paying for the stuff ups
      created by those imbeciles you voted for ! poetic justice !??

    • jg says:

      08:13am | 02/09/11

      I note that Windsor and Oakshotte have seemingly disappeared off the fsace of the planet.

      It’s good to know ehre their loyalties lie, and it’s not the national interest.

    • Anne_N says:

      08:48am | 02/09/11

      Windsor was flapping his gums on The 7.30 Report last night.  I was reminded of that river in Egypt….

    • C1 says:

      09:14am | 02/09/11

      Windsor has made several interviews sounding like a mix between Jo Bjelke Peterson and Bob Katter (The ‘I am just a simple cocky from the bush’ belies a more cunning mindset) and must be getting splinters from all the fence sitting.

      One who is remarkably absent is the other half of that wonderful Green/Labour alliance - Bob Brown!!!

    • morrgo says:

      09:22am | 02/09/11

      Windsor has been checking out the green-industry-driven economic miracle in Europe and has just come back to wax lyrical about it.

      Oakshott is probably hiding from his electors in a secret location.

    • voret mark II says:

      09:58am | 02/09/11

      what is windsor real name anyway?

    • Steven Danno says:

      08:16am | 02/09/11

      Mark Latham predicted this and despaired that machine politics would consume the ALP and it’s young. Gillard is another victim and better off getting out like Latham did to save her soul more than anything else. The ALP is a shot duck and has no credibility and the Coalition is a sick joke. The solution of course is to put government in the hands of the people but the power brokers won’t give up so easily and do we have the stomach for a fight? Not yet I fear but watch this space. The alarms bells are ringing already.

    • Fed Up Taxpayer says:

      08:21am | 02/09/11

      Before she even ponders this question maybe she should allow the Australian voters to decide. I am sure that the Labour dictatorship will be completely mauled. Take it to the polls Ju-liar

    • Freddo says:

      08:24am | 02/09/11

      Can we swap her for the 4000 “live export” refugees she has committed to import from Malaysia to live on our welfare system and in our public housing at the expense of working Australians?
      Labor should put Craig Thomson in as PM - at least he has shown he has got balls.

    • Pedro says:

      08:27am | 02/09/11

      Who gives a sh#! they’ll be thrown out at the next election regardless.

    • TimB says:

      08:59am | 02/09/11

      I do. We throw them out now we avoid the stupid Carbon tax and the extra effort it’s going to take to wind it back.

      Act now to lessen the damage.

    • The Phenom says:

      04:57pm | 02/09/11

      Apparently it’s only democracy when dumb conservatives are happy with the government in power.

    • Shane says:

      07:40pm | 02/09/11

      @Phenom

      Exactly, and when they lose they sook that not having another election immediately is the “death of democracy”. It’s too funny!

    • MarK says:

      08:29am | 02/09/11

      I read the most brilliant quip about this whole disaster this morning by a blog responder called Victoria 3220.

      It simply read

      “Humiliated Gillard accuses French CJ of saying one thing before his appointment, and doing the opposite after his appointment. Now that’s karma.”

      It really reduces her whole vapid pm’ship beautifully into what is wrong with her,

      This is why she should go and why she will can never climb out of the mess she has created. The damage she has done to the Labor brand is incalculable.

      Congratualtions to Penbo for writing a piece about Gillard without somehow turning that into a criticism of the coalition. It is refreshing to see a political comment/opinion piece written by an adult and without an agenda.

      Karma. It can be a bitch eh.

    • John Smythe says:

      11:05am | 02/09/11

      Totally agree with your comment on Penbo MarK.

      Well done mate (Penbo)!

    • emel says:

      11:21am | 02/09/11

      @MarK,
      Thanks for reviewing the media so thoughtfully, however after reading many of your posts over the months, I can’t help but wonder about your capacity to do so.
      I am also touched by your concern for the ‘Labor’ brand.
      Perhaps ‘Karma’ as you put it, (a typically vapid concept in itself) will allow us to watch your posts in the near future (probably) as Abbott and the Libs take us back to the good ol’ days.
      Keep it up.

    • MarK says:

      12:20pm | 02/09/11

      emel I used to post sensibly on this site but with the fall in its own standards I merely followed the trend and responded in kind.

      Previously this site had adult stories (and contributors) and a semblance of if not polite generally normal answers with at least common public language usage considered appropriate.

      That changed however and the site and my responses reflects the way I see its running.

      What can I say? When in Rome and all that. As I have pointed out to the principals the site and its comments reflects on them.

      Never fear I will continue to provide input for as long as I am allowed in the manner I feel most appropriate. I will also let you in on a secret. I couldn’t give a continental what you think about my capacity to do so thoughtfully or otherwise.

      I merely mention this so we are on the same page.

      No need for you to be “touched” for my concern either. I feel it will be a travesty if Labor continues to erode itself as it appears to be intent on doing for a number of reasons.

      The most important two are it will cede more ground to the greens which are a dangerous and extreme party full of hate and bile that endanger our country.

      And secondly with it’s stocks so low many good people will be put off joining Labor to act in all the capacities weakening the party for some time.

      This is not a good outcome for anyone. Governments need stern and solid oppositions.

      Hmmm Karma as a vapid concept. Maybe. Maybe not. Righteous vengeance, chickens coming home to roost? Better?

      Self serving satisfaction from the right?

      Schadenfreude….yeh that’s it. That’s the descriptor best used.

      Oh it reminds me of a eminently sensible piece Alexander Downer wrote years ago.

      Here - please read it. See what adults in politics can foretell?

      http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/opinion/alexander-downer-why-the-pm-is-lost-at-sea/story-e6freacl-1225793336999

      It was written about Rudd but applies to Gillard.

      And really emel do try and be a little thoughful yourself. Taking cheap shots when you query others capacity for thoughtful analysis with quips like “take us back to the good ol’ days.” is really quite self defeating. I am sure you can see the hypocrisy and irony you displayed.

      Do stay tuned though. You never know what I may write about Abbott.

      He is very impressive though. Is there another opposition leader that has successfully destroyed 2 PM’s and a potential third in Bowen?

      But let us focus on Gillard. We don’t have long before history can assign her the place which she deserves. How that must keep her up at night. How very embarrassing for her. I feel very sorry for her.

    • John Smythe says:

      01:57pm | 02/09/11

      Nice rebuttal MarK.

    • Simon says:

      07:48pm | 02/09/11

      @John

      That’s very funny, but not as funny as those who’ve been feeling sorry for themselves for 4 years pretending to feel sorry for others.

    • Mikko says:

      08:31am | 02/09/11

      Should Gillard go? I say no, keep her on until the next election, she is doing a priceless job in wrecking Labor’s credibility and ensuring they will be consigned to the wilderness for a long time. It seems incredible the party has gone from the heady days of Kevin Rudd’s “Mr 65 Percent” approval rating just a couple of years ago to today’s all-time lows, and as the old song goes, “B-b-b-baby, You Ain’t Seen Nuthin’ Yet…”

    • Max, of Rocky says:

      08:32am | 02/09/11

      Gillards ineptitude in matters legal has been highlighted again, also showing that her leadership ability is hindered by the fact she does not know when to keep her mouth shut and bite her tongue.

    • Brenda says:

      08:42am | 02/09/11

      Gillard’s Labor party is stinking rotten to the core. But the troublesome question is are they willing and able to transparently disconnect from their union commanders, the likes of Paul Howes and his power broking cabal.
      Bob Brown and his lunatic fringe are the other side of this circus - extreme Greens such as Rhiannon, Sara Young, Adam Bandt, Christine Milne and beside them, the independents who betrayed their constituencies should also be shown the door.

      The 20% Wilkie, obsessed with poker machines and knocked back a billion dollar internationally attractive teaching hospital for Tasmania in favour of a ridiculous bandaid reno to the old Royal Hobart Hospital, should also go because he too gave us Gillard.  Bob Brown should go and live in economically failed Europe and join their political ranks if he thinks it’s so damned good there. Think of it.  Brown constantly comparing Europe with Australia -  chalk and cheese! That’s an example of his uneducated, wildly inappropriate economic intelligence and the trouble he would get our country into if he maintains control of our Senate.

      The entire “government” should never have resulted in this unworkable, costly, publicly loathed format.
      Gillard and her knife, sharpened and placed in her eager hand by her union cronies, proceeded to knife herself. Whoever turned her mind as a younger girl that she was PM material should take some of the blame for her failures.  It’s cruel to delude otherwise bright young people that they can all rise to political heights. She was always out of her depth and her unstable ways were there for all to see many years ago.  She was never, ever up to the job.

      If the latest news that she will “stare down any challenge” is correct, then her end is going to be damned ugly. Except of course for the huge wad of taxpayer money and perks that will salve her wounded pride for the rest of her life.

    • Murray says:

      10:16am | 02/09/11

      Unfortunately for the Liberal Party, Wilkie has always been aware that Abbott is a lying two faced mongrel and that his word cannot be trusted - there is no way the Libs would have come through on the “..billion dollar internationally attractive teaching hospital”. So I guess Wilkie thought he had more chance of getting the actual cash for the Royal Hobart renovation.

    • Brenda says:

      10:35am | 02/09/11

      Murray,  in relation to your comment about public trust and a “lying two-faced mongrel"do you remember this pre-election announcement:  “There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead”.

    • What says:

      11:07am | 02/09/11

      I also remember one along the lines of “you can’t trust anything I say unless it’s written down”

    • Murray says:

      11:30am | 02/09/11

      Brenda, The fact that Gillard is a liar does not mean Abbott is not a liar.  You assume, incorrectly, that my accurate description of Abbott must mean I am a Labor supporter - I am not, I only want good government which the 2 major parties are seemingly unwilling to provide. They both lie, deceive and continually flip flop with the sole goal of getting their snouts into the trough. They have ditched the principle of governing for the good of the country.

    • Green Power says:

      03:21pm | 02/09/11

      @ Brenda - You say Bob Brown is uneducated.

      For the benefit of your ignorance…Doctor Brown he has a Bachelor of Medicine and Surgery degree…the last time I checked we were not giving these degrees away in cornflake packets…

      ...and what would your high and mighty claim to fame be?

      /crickets

    • MadKat of Melbourne says:

      03:32pm | 02/09/11

      Green Power - He may be good at medicine but he’s crap at politics - Brenda is correct that he has no economic intelligence -

    • Green Power says:

      04:46pm | 02/09/11

      MadKat of Melbourne - That’s one of your funnier calls…

      Bob Brown is crap at politics…

      Let’s see, he is the leader of a party that has one lower house member and nine upper house members, he is regarded by many conservative commentators as being our actual PM, I don’t agree with that comment but I’m sick of reading it.

      For a party with such little representation he seems to hold a lot of power…that is not being crap at politics, I would say quite the opposite. Bob Brown is one of the smartest ‘strategic’ politicians we have in Canberra; others could learn much from Bob Brown.

      ...and you’re wrong, Brenda clearly said he was uneducated, spin it how you wish. Good day to you sir.

    • MadKat of Melbourne says:

      07:12pm | 02/09/11

      Green Power - he has alot of power by the circumstance that we have a minority government - not through anything they have achieved - he has seats in parliament because ignorant wankers like you vote for him -

      And I’m not wrong - Brenda’s words were “That’s an example of his uneducated, wildly inappropriate economic intelligence and the trouble he would get our country into if he maintains control of our Senate” - she’s saying he has no economic credentials if you comprehend the whole sentence and don’t pick out one word. You’re the one spinning.

      Conservative commentators say he’s the PM - their being having a go at him because of how un-democratic the system is at the moment twit

      Typical stupid Greens voter - no intelligence voting for someone with no intelligence - and I’m a Ms not a Sir

    • Bloggs says:

      11:44pm | 02/09/11

      I find it amazing that in the face of a Government rotten to the core, that Green and ALP voters can still see sense in it.  Green Power, Murray, get a life.  Your ideals are non main stream and your parties are soon going to die a rather pathetic death with no one to mourn them.

      It is true that Gillard has been forced to recant her own wishes by the Greens who hols a balance of power and can threaten to withdraw that if Gillard does not comply with radical ideals that were only voted for by perhaps 2 percent of voters. 

      The Greens are a dead duck, a rotting carcass on the side of the political road, smacked by a semi of their own fueling.  The semi that hit them is their own policies.  The Greens have just whatever is left in this Governmental time window to live a political life.  Then it dies and bloody good riddance to them.

      The independents are crying foul of Tony Abbott because Abbott will not debase himself with their weird demands. Better to be in opposition and watch the so-called Government hoisted on their own petard!

    • Green Power says:

      10:45am | 03/09/11

      Suck it up Bloggs & MadKat…

      The Greens will hold the balance of power in the senate regardless of who is PM….how sweet it is. I can’t wait to see Tony Abbott having to crawl on his knees to Bob Brown.

    • Bob says:

      02:02pm | 03/09/11

      Green Power: Two words. Double Dissolution. If the latest polls hold or increase in the Liberal’s favour before the next election, the only thing preventing them from holding both houses is the fact that half the senate is elected at a time.I can guarantee that Abbott will find a trigger for a Double Dissolution (As Rudd should have done in order to pass legislation required to do our bit for the “Moral challenge of our generation) and next thing you know, it’ll be Liberals with a double majority. Thanks to the performance of the current government, Abbott will need to crawl to no-one

    • Bob says:

      02:11pm | 03/09/11

      Green Power: Furthermore, if you think that any party is going to side the the Greens again out of anything except the most abject desperation, think again. The Greens helped Labor win one election and cost them several, possibly even set them on the path to being destroyed as a party. As allies, their price is far too high for any major party. They’re fanatics who recognise they’ve got one chance, and one chance only to wield the sort of power they have now and they won’t be put in this position again.

    • Peter says:

      08:45am | 02/09/11

      And so Tony Abbott will become our Prime Minister with Christopher Pyne on one hand and Joe Hockey on the other.  I ask: How the f*ck did we get to this?  Sad days all round.

    • ibast says:

      10:06am | 02/09/11

      If Abbott and Pyne quit, I’d vote for the Liberal party, but with them there I couldn’t vote to have them run the country.  It would just be a different Australia to what I grew up in. If they come to power, I will seriously consider leaving the country.  That would be proof that Australians have become selfish and mean spirited.

    • Peter says:

      10:39am | 02/09/11

      I get the impression that one side of politics doesn’t give a rats who runs the country, or what he stands for or does in office, so long as he’s on their side.  They really don’t care.  They have no real policies.  They just run on hatred for the other side.  It’s pathetic.  They rub their hands with glee over the High Court decision yet it actually goes against their own policy and principles.  But they really don’t care because it’s all just a beat up anyways.  No one really cares about the asylum seekers as much as they pretend.  It’s just a game for power.

    • Michael says:

      10:50am | 02/09/11

      You followed Gillard here Peter, that’s how it happened.

    • keiron of nowra says:

      11:26am | 02/09/11

      look you labor intoxicated fool i will give you a little
      hint at were to start looking
      j gillard k rudd w swan l tanner p wong g combet
      g shorten c bowen c thompsen p garrett
      can you see a common theme?
      t abbot was a member of our most successfull government ever
      it is not his fault that labor is on a long slow inexorable slide
      into politcal oblivion.
      that day simply cant come quick enough.

    • Peter says:

      11:34am | 02/09/11

      @Michael - lol, i suppose so.  I suppose so.  So what are you going to do with all this power?  Set Australia straight?  Fix the economy?  Cut spending?  Cut taxes?  What exactly?  I honestly think you have no idea and, guess what, neither do they!

    • MD says:

      08:49am | 02/09/11

      It’s a good thing the donkey vote exists, I haven’t found a single political party worthy of my vote in the last 5 years.

    • Max, of Rocky says:

      10:06am | 02/09/11

      most appropriate name for the vote and the voter   8-)

    • Cam says:

      10:13am | 02/09/11

      It would be a much better thing to allow for real democracy and not have mandatory voting.

      At least then only people with some interest and knowledge in politics would be voting and it wouldn’t be “oh i liked their ad so i’ll vote for them”.

    • Tex says:

      07:21pm | 02/09/11

      or get rid of preferential voting

    • Richard the Lionheart says:

      08:54am | 02/09/11

      Stephen Smith is down to a 5% margin. He will be a goner in any election unless he is Prime Minister. He will want to save his tenure in the seat of Perth. He has performed well in two portfolios and is a creature of the unions which will suit the ALP players. His quiet no nonsense approach and worldly as well as party experience may save the ALP from a wipeout. He will lose the election but be able to build an effective opposition. Nevertheless, I will not be voting for the ALP. The worst government since Whitlam.

    • Steve Turner says:

      08:56am | 02/09/11

      I don’t agree with your assessment of the former Julia. She has always relied on spin over substance, which has been happily lapped up by our soft, left of centre media. As Prime Minister she is constantly in the spotlght and the gap between the spin and the subtance is always on display.

    • Mike says:

      09:16am | 02/09/11

      “As Prime Minister she is constantly in the spotlght and the gap between the spin and the subtance is always on display.”

      Fair point.

      But you have to admit it doesn’t auger well for Tony Abbott then when he is placed under scrutiny as PM.

      After all, this is a man who has less “real-life” experience than Gillard . . .  .in fac he has held no senior executive or business roles outside of politics.

    • MarK says:

      01:06pm | 02/09/11

      Nah of course mot.

      He spends his holidays volunteering in Aboriginal communties in the north of Australia.

      Active member of the surf life savers, active member of the bush fire brigade. You know volunteer stuff.

      Meld umpteem meetings in his electorates and can talk to people. Who will ever forget the sight of Gillard ramrod straight on her chair at Rooty Hill lecturing the masses compared to Abbott instinctively and naturally grabbing the mic and heading down to the floor to talk.

      Tony, married and with 3 girls.

      Yeh I can see the problem Tony has relating to the real world and people in it.

    • terexdex says:

      08:58am | 02/09/11

      So it looks like the Labor Party is stuck with her just like us voters!

      Sad when we are spouting Democracy on the one hand and being dictatored to and held to ransom with the other. I have to agree with the majority opinion on this site that says we should have a fresh election preferably sooner than later.

    • Martin says:

      09:11am | 02/09/11

      So are youa rguing that whenever an elected government falls behine in the polls that a new election should be held?

      That would have meant that Howard would have had to go to one in his first term if I recall correctly.

      Were you calling for an election then?

    • Matty C says:

      09:40am | 02/09/11

      LOL - “we are sprouting democracy and being dictatored to and held to ransom with the other”

      Anyone who believes that the current government is a dictatorship needs a cold shower. It is a minority government, absolutely legitimate under our system of government.

      The labor government, like all governments will be held to account on
      election day.

      I know that you all want an election now but Australia does not hold elections everytime a section of the community (no matter how large) decide that they arent happy with policies and actions.

      Come election day the Labor Government will not:

      a. rig the voting
      b. send in the army to terrorise voters
      or c. shut down the election.

      They will respect the decision of the electorate, even if it means that they are in opposition for a generation

      Perspective please people. Sh1thouse government yes. Dictatorship no

    • Burt says:

      08:59am | 02/09/11

      Please go.  Pretty please!

    • voter says:

      09:00am | 02/09/11

      gillard is a lawyer who came to power by doing deals….as a result she now spruiks other peoples policies..what did she want to achieve…the second most incompetent prime minister award?Won that….only Rudd who had unfettered power compared to her stands in the way of the ultimate award.go Julia you can do it…

    • Gherkin says:

      09:06am | 02/09/11

      “Obviously, the people who are most likely to vote are the people who do not like the PM…”

      Yep. Which is pretty much everyone (from caucus to the High Court to Coogee to Kalgoorlie.)

    • Gratuitous Adviser says:

      09:06am | 02/09/11

      Great analysis of the situation.  Julia Gillard will be there for as long as she wants because there is no one else with any credibility in the ALP caucus that would voluntarily take the job at this time.  It’s a career wrecker and they know it.  I wrote to Gillard at the time of the Rudd removal that it was not her time and I still think that this is the case. 
      The ALP pollies and back room people have dropped the ball and to deny it is to tell a lie.  The players need to acknowledge that there must be a fundamental change in the party for them to be able to be considered a force after the next election.  My recommendation is to discuss the 2010 Election Review, without prejudice, at the next ALP Federal Conference behind closed doors, so as to avoid the diversion of Tony Abbott being on the footpath outside.  They need to decide who and what they are, who they are representing, get rid of all the dirty water and factional time bombs (AWU influence, Arbib, Howes and the like), have the tears and in-fighting and start again.

    • Gratuitous Adviser says:

      11:18am | 02/09/11

      I note that Mark Arbib has not come out in support of Julia Gillard to date.

    • Gratuitous Adviser says:

      09:06am | 02/09/11

      Great analysis of the situation.  Julia Gillard will be there for as long as she wants because there is no one else with any credibility in the ALP caucus that would voluntarily take the job at this time.  It’s a career wrecker and they know it.  I wrote to Gillard at the time of the Rudd removal that it was not her time and I still think that this is the case. 
      The ALP pollies and back room people have dropped the ball and to deny it is to tell a lie.  The players need to acknowledge that there must be a fundamental change in the party for them to be able to be considered a force after the next election.  My recommendation is to discuss the 2010 Election Review, without prejudice, at the next ALP Federal Conference behind closed doors, so as to avoid the diversion of Tony Abbott being on the footpath outside.  They need to decide who and what they are, who they are representing, get rid of all the dirty water and factional time bombs (AWU influence, Arbib, Howes and the like), have the tears and in-fighting and start again.

    • ray says:

      09:07am | 02/09/11

      seriously did anyone really expect a women to do a mans job.

    • Hear me out...... says:

      10:43am | 02/09/11

      This is what its all about Ray, the PM being a woman. She is one tough woman. Regardless if she is liked or disliked she is proving that a woman can stand up to all the bullshit flung at her. She’s not a quitter and her legacy in the future will be used as a role model. She ain’t no door mat Ray. Women are doing it for themselves…

    • NicoleG says:

      10:59am | 02/09/11

      ‘her legacy in the future will be used as a role model’

      Bhahahahahahaha! You just made the coffe I’m drinking spurt out of my nose   LOL

    • Gwen Thompson says:

      11:17am | 02/09/11

      Ditto - Hilarious!

    • hear me out...... says:

      11:38am | 02/09/11

      @NicoleG & Gwen Thompson
      Get your aprons off girls….

    • Wayne says:

      11:59am | 02/09/11

      Ray that is quite mysogynistic remark to make. If voters have issues with a party’s policies it is a fair call to state them but to take it to a personal or gender level, which most readers appear to be doing - including the person who keeps chanting “ditch the witch”, is completely irrational and unacceptable behaviour in a civilised society.

    • Wayne says:

      11:59am | 02/09/11

      Ray that is quite mysogynistic remark to make. If voters have issues with a party’s policies it is a fair call to state them but to take it to a personal or gender level, which most readers appear to be doing - including the person who keeps chanting “ditch the witch”, is completely irrational and unacceptable behaviour in a civilised society.

    • Hamish says:

      12:02pm | 02/09/11

      Personally I think it’s really sad that Australia’s first female PM is so utterly useless. However, she will be a role model of sorts, insofar as future leaders will model their conduct on the exact opposite of what she does.

    • Wayne says:

      01:28pm | 02/09/11

      Explain “utterly usless” Hamish ? Remember Julia Gillard does not make decisions about the future of Australia in a vaccum she meets with the MP’s, the greens and independents. It is like blaming the lose of a football game on one player it is completely unfair and unrealistic.

    • Hamish says:

      04:12pm | 02/09/11

      Wayne, if you’re the leader you need to take responsibility. Sure she has excuses for her incompetence, but everyone always does.

    • NicoleG says:

      08:16pm | 02/09/11

      Apron? Pffft. They’re just so 70s.

    • Gerry Sinclair says:

      09:08am | 02/09/11

      “Super D says:06:24am | 02/09/11

      Julia Gillard is already gone.  The question is how long the ALP will remain in the wilderness…...
      For the long term strategic interests of the ALP the handover should occur sooner rather than later.  If this triggers an immediate election (unlikely) then this is still in the party’s interests to take their drubbing and start rebuilding.  A leadership change allows the party to hang failed policy such as the carbon tax, mining tax and even extreme IR reregulation to the fallen leader.”

      Spot on Super D, far be it for me to advise this group of incompetents, but that is what they should do for their party’s stake. Sitting on the fence and letting the problems fester will not get them anywhere.

      Aptly summed up by this advise “If you dont have the courage to start, you are already finished”

    • Martin says:

      09:08am | 02/09/11

      While the so-caleld Malyasian Solution has failed, the government has got up plain packaging for cigarettes and the NBN legislation , look like getting the Carbon Tax and Mining Resource Rent Tax through and probably has a shot at the poker machine legislation. . . .

      . . . So to say they have achieved noting is ridiculous - the rabod right-wing shock-jocks and vested self-interests and rent-seekers wouldn’t be so upset if that was the case.

      Keep going Julia - We need all the abovementioned policies for a better Australia.

    • Anubis says:

      09:55am | 02/09/11

      @ Martin - Plain Packaging for cigarettes - the tobacco companies will have them in court for years with injunction after injunction preventing the imposition of this measure.

      The NBN has the potential to be an Australian asset BUT the anti-competition model that Labor are building in to it will kill innovation for the next 50 years. Good policy bad implementation.

      Carbon Tax - Cynical cash grab to achieve the Fabian ideal of wealth redistribution and acknowledged as having no environmental effect whatsoever - as Gillard and Swan stated the Carbon Tax is a way to “seize the financial opportunity”

      Mining Resource Rent Tax - Another cost on top of our export prices to reduce international competitiveness. yes the way mining activities are taxed needs overhauling. But the detail in this particular policy wank is not the way to go.

      Poker Machine legislation - not going to happen in the way Wilkie wants it (it is Wilkies policy not Julia’s) This will piss Wilkie off no end as well as getting the tourist and hospitality industries off-side with these incompetent muppets. This will end up in court too. And if Julia keeps using herself as legal advise (mediocre solicitor that she is) then they will fail with this too.

      Can you explain how any of these policies will create a better Australia?

    • Sean says:

      10:56am | 02/09/11

      Carbon tax as an achievement, Martin? The carbon tax is why they’re going to be out on their asses, amongst another things. That’s like saying “Hitler achieved a few things, like starting a World War!”.

    • Timmy Faringo says:

      09:10am | 02/09/11

      Scary part is who will replace her?? Cutting of our nose despite our face maybe? They are all as bad as each other. Reading today about ex premier of QLD beattie going for PM? LOL. That guy dug QLD into the hole its in today.

    • Mikko says:

      09:10am | 02/09/11

      Penbo, you didn’t specify whether you meant the Fake Julia, the Real Julia or the now Desperate Julia who can’t abide the umpire’s decision.
      Loving it.

    • Terry says:

      09:16am | 02/09/11

      It’s Labor that are the problem, no matter who the Leader is.
      Labor = Unions
      Labor = Greenies
      Labor = Arrogance
      Labor = Tax
      Labor = Debt

    • Pork says:

      11:22am | 02/09/11

      Missed one:
      Terry = Redneck

      But possibly also another:
      Terry = not entirely wrong…

    • Terry says:

      11:44am | 02/09/11

      Wrong Pork
      Terry = Gay
      We’re not all inner-city raving queens and greenie supporters…....

    • Al says:

      12:02pm | 02/09/11

      Missed another:
      Democrates = Labor

    • Rhubarb says:

      09:16am | 02/09/11

      I find it an interesting quote by an ALP MP ‘But another senior figure said the interestts of the ALP and keeping Tony Abbott out of power must come first.
      I thought running the country would come first.
      Get rid of all these self interested bozos. As for Tony Windsor, none of the promises joolia made to him have come through yet, so I heard on our local news last night.  Maybe he may cause the shift needed to help dislodge these incompetents.

    • morrgo says:

      09:16am | 02/09/11

      Gillard’s removal would not affect support by Windsor and Oakshott. They went for Labor to extend their own political lives, and are not going to throw away the last two years’ pay of their political careers just because of a different leader.

      Wilkie could be different.  He seems driven by principles much more, plus he may be supported by the Coalition in an election.

    • distressed says:

      09:17am | 02/09/11

      We now have the real Julia - I am the one to lead the country.
      Regardless of my ability.
      She must have a particular view of her merits against those of all others.
      heaven help this land.
      the inmates run the asylum

    • Peter Gilfillan says:

      09:19am | 02/09/11

      Why is Julia being made the Patsy here??? That whole damn Party needs to go.

    • John Smythe says:

      03:59pm | 02/09/11

      Agree. Labor party as a political party needs to remain, but its current members need ousting!

    • Graeme says:

      09:20am | 02/09/11

      She shouldn’t be there in the first place.  After the way she knifed Rudd, how could anyone, event he most diehard labour voter, support or trust her.  She was gone the minute she stepped up.

    • Make a move says:

      09:22am | 02/09/11

      Yes Gillard states she is going nowhere how true and Australia is now going nowhere with her as our incompetent most unpopular self serving PM! Now Gillard endorsed the abysmal failures that was the Malaysian solution, so what does that say about her appalling judgement? When is she or the senior ALP going to form a view that her time is UP. How come she was so indulgently allowed to form the view that Kevin Rudds time was Up! ALP should stop pandering to their princess Gillard, The voting public are telling ALP that they dont want her! She attacked High court judges instead of taking a good hard long look at herself! Australians have taken a look at the real Julia and they dont like what they see! Stop protecting her ALP! Start to look after your workers who are your voters! Gillard is there for one thing the power trip and her journey is over! She has lost perspective ,her head is in the clouds, she needs to be brought back to earth ALP need a fresh new start!  We dont want a PM that thinks that being PM is just about being tough It takes more that than and Gillard has simply not brought home the bacon!

    • Danny says:

      09:22am | 02/09/11

      Of course she should go. Australia is fast becoming the laughing stock of the world. Shorten and his crew of mutineers must be awefully proud of what they have accomplished. If these idiots were in private enterprise they would have been long gone.

    • Shane says:

      07:57pm | 02/09/11

      Australia is the envy of the world. Record wealth, record employment, low interest rates and billion dollar long term contracts being signed almost every day.

    • Dave says:

      09:22am | 02/09/11

      Sure should go but who will replace her they are all a pack of self interested muppets.

    • Ryan Melrose says:

      09:23am | 02/09/11

      We have seen the real Julia and we are not impressed. Julia is so bad we have forgotten how bad Kevin was. Yes its time for Julia to go.

    • Debra says:

      09:23am | 02/09/11

      This is the most ignorant woman I’ve ever seen.  She won’t go even if every single person disliked her in Australia.  Gillard would just keep saying “we are moving forward”.  I’m even suspecting, she might be from another planet.  I don’t think she is human.

    • nossy says:

      09:24am | 02/09/11

      Could poor old Tony Abbott be the biggest loser the Libs have ever put up as leader Penbo?  I mean what ever has this F grader ever won? He attended the “Convoy Of No Consequence” in Canberra where 4000 were expected and only 300 turned up then later in Parliament he moved a motion to have Gillard make a statement on Thomson which was duly defeated! Strewth hes lost EVERY Censure motion he has every moved as well - about 16 so far - hasnt won one!  hahahah Going back to the 2010 election when 3 weeks in to the campaign Labor were gone for all money on the back of Laurie Oakes revelations and even a goose would have picked up 1st prize - bit NO Tones lost that one too!  then he again failed to win over the Independents to form govt. in a hung Parliament. Looking to this weeks Newspolls he is only 1 point ahead of the unpopular Gillard in the Preffered PM stakes - 1 point only! This poor little chap has D.U.D. written all over his forehead - the boover boy of politics and Labors greatest Electoral asset! Labor have also been able to get every piece of their legislation through Parliament - 185 pieces - he hasnt stopped one piece so far !  Ohhhhh how sweet it is!

    • Anubis says:

      10:43am | 02/09/11

      @ Nossy - Just what is the colour of the sky in your world of unicorns and rainbows? Mate, you need a break. Why don’t you go round up Gavin, hop in your Falcodore and take your tinny out to South Straddie and do a bit a fishing. A week or two might clear those barnacles from your eyes.

    • Nick says:

      10:59am | 02/09/11

      I think you are a little drowned out on this one Nossy.

    • Andrew says:

      02:35pm | 02/09/11

      We all know Abbott is a dud, and so is Gillard. We are bereft of quality at the top.

    • Knemon says:

      04:52pm | 02/09/11

      Nice work nossy - strewth there’s that many comments on this story it took me all day to get down to your brilliant analysis wink

    • Aitch B says:

      09:25am | 02/09/11

      Interesting…..

      “But another senior figure said the interests of the ALP and keeping Tony Abbott out of power must come first.”

      That’s it….. worry about yourselves and damn the rest of us!!

    • Disraeli says:

      09:26am | 02/09/11

      “With the High Court striking down the Malaysian solution on asylum seekers as an unconstitutional non-solution, the perception that the Gillard Government is listless and unable to deliver has never been more pronounced.”

      A News Ltd senior journo with a poor grasp of the facts. That was not the guts of the High Court’s finding.  It was to do with the Minister’s obligations under the Migration Act.

      And in thr run of posts, there’s an awful lot of wild overclaiming.  It’s all very well getting over-excited, but claims like “bribery”, “corruption” and etc etc are, in actual fact, baseless.

      As for overall competence, it’s become quite a habit to describe any policy or program you dislike as a if it were failure. But looked at in the cold light of day (rather than the red rage of the front bar after the evening news), since 2007 labor has accomplished much in both ecocmic and social areas.

      Not always prettily, but where mistakes were made - and some of them were sad and ugly - a fair share of that was down to dodgy small business folk as much as anything else.  The flawed Batts and BER plans did, in the end, leave us lastingly better off.

      Despite a major international finance crisis, still causing turmoil, we have a readily managable level of federal debt and deficit, creditable employment growth and steady unemployment, and the economy, though patchy, in modest growth.

      As for the Prime Minister, the refugee policy is certainly a mess, and much of her own making on a hot button issue.

      The way I see it, if Prime Ministership (on either side) is to have any national stature or meaning at all,  her job is to take responsibility for that mess. By staying on the job.

      It is her job, as Prime Minister, not to go to pieces at a big failure. But to buckle down and fix that problem, then to see the other more important parts of her program put into place. Including the well over due carbon price/ETS. 

      The Labor Party too has a responsibility to the country, to carry on and do its level best to make its program work, and to give their - our -  Prime Minister all the support they can.  That’s what they were elected to do. Govern as best they can, not go to water when things are difficult.

      The Prime Minister and the Labor Party can face the music at the next election, in due course.

      As I still have a lot of personal matters on hand here, that’s about all the time I can spend on this today. There may be a few colourful swipes about what I’ve said. By the looks, it’ll be Sunday before I’ll have any time to have a bit of a chuckle over any that do turn up.

    • Jamesh says:

      09:27am | 02/09/11

      She can’t go!  It won’t be as much fun if Jug Ears Johnson isn’t beating on Ginger Meggs!  Abbott needs her like Coke needs Pepsi.  Without her, he’ll be finished - and he knows it.  Neither party is exactly in good shape to rule at the moment, but we’re stuck, so what do we do?

    • AdamC says:

      09:29am | 02/09/11

      I have been putting on my Labor adviser cap a few times in recent weeks and stand by my quite sincere belief that the best thing for Gillard and Labor to do is force Thomson to step aside pending the resolution of the inquiries of which he is subject and immediately call a general election. Will Labor lose this election? Almost certainly, yes.

      However, going now and going fast will allow Labor to run as the incumbents (always an advantage, see the 2010 election). Also, by using Thomson as the trigger for the poll, Labor can demonstrate some much-needed integrity. This strategy will allow Labor to minimise losses and start the job of rebuilding its credibility from opposition. There is nothing to be gained from kicking this decaying carcass of a government down the road for another two years. That would result in a NSW mk 2 electoral slaughter. And, as in NSW, changing leaders won’t help.

      Lastly, I don’t believe the indies or Greens would kill the government if Labor dumped Gillard. It is more likely that Wilkie will pull the plug in exchange for some kind of Liberal preference deal. After all, carpet retailing in Hobart is less fun than being an ultra-populist, anti-gambling MP.

    • The way I see it says:

      09:33am | 02/09/11

      Kevin Rudd was a great choice of PM while Malcolm Turnbull was the leader of the opposition.  Once Tony Abbott became leader the Labor Party began to lose ground.  They knifed Kevin when it became apparent Tony Abbott could win the next election.  Julia was meant to bring in the female vote and her debating skills in the house were meant to render Tony ineffective.  What happened next is quite simple.  Labor stopped listening to the voters and Tony didn’t.  The present government no longer represents the wishes of the people at large.  It matters not who they replace Julia with because they will continue to dictate the Labor/Green demands in the face of clear opposition from most fellow Australians.  The independents will continue to disregard their constituents and go with Labor/Greens because they have no choice now.  Putting Kevin back as PM was been suggested but it just takes us all “back to the future”.  Someone has to cross the floor or Craig Thompson should own up to his transgressions and be a man and resign.  We can’t rely on the Governor General to step in because that would upset Bill Shorten’s long term plan.  A double dissolution and a fresh election is what we should have and I think most people would agree no matter what side of politics you are on.  Some Labor MP’s may have enough character and a love of their party to cross the floor and put an end to the dismal failure that is the Green Labor alliance.

    • Wayne says:

      01:10pm | 02/09/11

      I don’t necessarily think it is that Labor stopped listening to the people. I think it is a case that Labor has not effectively communicated to the public everything that has been achieved. For instance the PM should have explained clearly last night that yesterdays ruling by the High Court changed the way the Migration Act has been interpreted in the past. Three new tests were created and that these new tests have never been applied to the Nauru option therefore Tony Abbotts claim that teh Nauru option is still a lawful option are questionable at best. But from what I saw the PM simply said the ruling turns the law on its head or something as vague. The average Australian does not understand this. They need and want it explained in simple english that they can relate to. Tony Abbott is very good at this he speaks in laymans terms and just keeps repeating the same thing over and over even if he does not actually have any policies. Come on people name them if you can - and Nauru is not an option at the moment as it may not satisfy the protection tests outlined by the HCA.

      Labour has failed to speak to the average Australian again and again. I see this with the mining tax (just how many mines are Australian owned people and where does all that lovely profit go….OS people OS they seldom invest money back in to the communities as they did in the past). The large mining companies, Tony Abbot and the opposition are great fear mongers trying to convince people on lower incomes that their livelihoods would be at risk if the mining tax were introduced. The mining companies make HUGE profits and it for this reason that they are not going anywhere - even with a mining tax. It takes many years of planning before a project can be implemented so if they are moving offshore this was part of their long term strategy guys.

      I know when I was studying in Switzerland in 2005 we were taught about the ETS. It is a global issue not an Australian issue. We are just one player in the world economy. How long will it be before countries that have implemented an ETS will start taxing those countries that have not when doing business with us?.

    • Rich says:

      09:33am | 02/09/11

      “The reality however is that if Labor were to move against Gillard there is every chance its numbers won’t shift and could possibly get worse. This is because the party, as a brand, to borrow from the lexicon of modern marketing, has now damaged itself in several states by making politically expedient leadership changes which leave the voters feeling dudded and disenfranchised.”


      Actually in this case, the voters are ready to throw her out, so they might look kindly on the party for attempting to move forward.

    • Steve on the coast says:

      09:33am | 02/09/11

      People have said Gillard is a good negotiator, how come the deal she struck with the Independents was with her alone and did not involve the Labor party? How is that good negotiating when it leaves her party high and dry if she loses the leadership? Smells of self, self self to me. Perhaps it is about time one of the Independents or perhaps a Labor politician, with a conscience, realised that the best thing for the country is to oust this lot and crossed the floor.

    • Hermes says:

      09:35am | 02/09/11

      Come on Andrew Wilkie, you are the only Independent with any credibility and moral fortitude…unlike the rest of the piggies.

    • Chris Topher says:

      09:38am | 02/09/11

      Should Gillard go? I feel compelled to quote Oliver Cromwell: “You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!”

    • Arcadia says:

      10:53am | 02/09/11

      Brilliant!!!

    • Paddy says:

      09:38am | 02/09/11

      The ALP is dying a quick death. But surely having ALP this weak is in nobody’s best interests. Are we all stupid enough to think every single policy from Abbott is right? I can think of a few that make no sense at all! Come on people, let’s hope that we have some form of ‘bounce back’ from the ALP (hopefully without Gillard) to at least have them as a credible opposition. They don’t deserve government, but we don’t deserve a one party state either!

    • Ryan says:

      09:38am | 02/09/11

      Should she go? Yes she should be deported for all the damage she has done.  Gross negligence and ineptitude. 
      But definitely should go as she shouldn’t have been put in the leadership position in the first place, it was just a politically correct/pro-feminist appointment that has set back the concept of a female PM back 50 years.

    • Murray says:

      12:05pm | 02/09/11

      Deportation ? Great - can we deport Abbott as well?

    • Seamus says:

      09:40am | 02/09/11

      She and her whole sorry crew should should bale out now.  The Federal Government is just stumbling from one crisis to the next - and not managing to do that very well either.

      In itself, the Craig Thompson debacle should have seen her resignation a couple of weeks ago.

    • Roger says:

      09:42am | 02/09/11

      I say yes to Kevin2011

    • Al says:

      11:25am | 02/09/11

      You mean to say you didn’t learn from the first time?

      Or are you like the rest of us, anticipating the prospect of watching the mighty implode in a very public and messy spectacle?

    • Geek says:

      09:44am | 02/09/11

      The Prime Minister criticising the Chief Justice is a new low. I have had 2 Federal court judgements, biased and completely unfair to me-yet i have never publicly or otherwise criticised those judges. If she is PM , surely she should have the fortitude to hold fire-this is very sad-she is lowering the stature of her office by her behavior.

    • Wayne says:

      02:03pm | 02/09/11

      The PM was not criticising the Chief Justice rather she was trying to explain that previous rulings by the Chief Justice, during Howards reign, indicated that the ALP Malaysian solution was lawful. That the the creation of the 3 new tests was never anticipated based on precedence. You should understand this if you have been to the HCA. It was the media that claimed the PM was ““criticising” the Chief Justice.

    • Gravelly says:

      09:44am | 02/09/11

      No, she shouldn’t resign! She should face the electorate.

      She should call a double dissolution election, now!

      Sort out the whole smelly mess, once and for all!

    • Greg says:

      09:45am | 02/09/11

      Gillard should go and Malcolm Turnbull should cross the flor and take her seat

    • Knemon says:

      04:28pm | 02/09/11

      LOL - Nice one Greg.

    • super first home buyer saaaver says:

      09:47am | 02/09/11

      I reckon the Labor shadowy figures that are in the shadows should never let Julia rule that long !! Bad image of the party. Kev shoudl be back !! .Being foreign minister in exile he surely learned to control his temper by now and apart from dipping us in debt for generations to come and allowin all the king’sboats to come here , no worries mate, he was harmless and smart..

    • Matthew says:

      09:47am | 02/09/11

      I agree, she should step down.. But then what?  Another ‘put in place’ leader until the election?  That didn’t work well the first time, for either party..

      Hand it over to a clueless person that plans to somehow lower taxes while throwing taxpayers money at big business to stop them polluting and setting up Nauru at huge taxpayer expense?  Sussan Ley is whining about middle class welfare being cut in another article and wants to throw more money at already wealthy people… It seems politics has become a game of who can buy the most votes and the winner can then do whatever they want with the country. 

      She should go, but I’d rather her than any other option at the moment…

    • kap says:

      09:47am | 02/09/11

      Not these f***ing independents again !!!!  Just all of you go and let us start fresh with a new Liberal party.  I am so over this I am really angry.

    • Dementer says:

      09:48am | 02/09/11

      If she goes now or later or at the next election she is gone.

      Should she go? Probably not, it to distabilising ( if it could be worse) she should mark her time lose gracefully, but look forward. Dumping Rudd was the ALPs biggest mistake.

      The ALP need to have a good hard look at it self. I think the 2 camps are being spliting apart and the gap is widening. The average union member isnt exactly happy at the moment, manufacturing is going off shore, cost of living is rising, jobs are hard to come by (unless in mining). MP and Union reps blowing money on hookers ( just one but it all it takes )  And in part they see themselves over look so that the ALP can satisfy the Greens and the indis.  Who think items like cows, gays and pokies more important.

      The ALP must focus on keeping Abbott and the coalition out but the reality is that it will not happen at the next election, the question is can they hold the coalition to one term or will it be 11 years of conservatism?

    • fml says:

      09:48am | 02/09/11

      Everybody is crying like we are all living in poverty or something, wont somebody think of the starving children in africa.

    • AdamC says:

      11:28am | 02/09/11

      Yeah, fml. I think this is a better line for JuLiar:

      “Silence, Churls, your betters are talking. Now go away and eat cake.”

      They’d be onto a winner with that!

    • Kevin2011 says:

      09:50am | 02/09/11

      Gillard’s a dud, bring back Rudd.

    • Tanya says:

      09:51am | 02/09/11

      The current social and economic climate would challenge the skill and competency of any leader and their party. I doubt the LNP would fare much better in dealing with so many divisive issues, particularly under the leadership of Tony Abbott who hasn’t done a lot to endear himself to the Australian Public.

      But WHEN are ANY of these politicians, both State and Federal going to get it, that the prevailing cause of failed initiatives is the placement of trust in an incompetent public service! Take each of Labor’s failures since their election and consider this: Cabinet Ministers steer bureaucracies at the cabinet level – they do not run them on a daily basis, nor do they manage projects.  How and when are issues red flagged? Who is considered to have the smarts and the integrity to direct programmes of work and interface with the minister and/or to report things up the chain? These people are for the most part, faceless.
      And whoever said there must be initiatives? How about just administering the country for a while – look after the small stuff, streamline the processes to incorporate more sound decision making and foresight, tighten current policy and then innovate?

    • tatiana says:

      09:52am | 02/09/11

      then we will get that dopey Mr Rudd back again….

    • Dan says:

      09:52am | 02/09/11

      An early election should be called; and the public needs to be educated on researching who the minority parties will give their votes to.

    • rebecca says:

      09:52am | 02/09/11

      Penny Wong for PM! Penny Wong for PM!

    • Your name:BobM says:

      10:37am | 02/09/11

      A Wong won’t make it wight.

    • Al says:

      04:29pm | 02/09/11

      ROTFLMAO

    • brett says:

      09:54am | 02/09/11

      I think its interesting that one of the people touted to replace Gillard, the defence minister, Stephen Smith has stated:
      the central task of his period as minister had to be improving “personal and institutional accountability” in the forces and the defence bureaucracy.
      Perhaps he should start with his own party? Its not my fault the Malaysian Solution failed, its the High Courts fault, its not my fault someone used my credit card to buy hookers and booze, someone broke into my house, stole my credit card, licence and keys, drove to the hookers, showed my id, used my credit card, then drove home and returned all the items…the bastards, its not my fault the opinion polls show me as the most unpopular leader in history, its the media’s etc etc
      An amazing show of personal and institutional accountability, thanks for setting the standard ALP

    • James says:

      09:54am | 02/09/11

      Ok lets get a few things straight

      Not a single one of you voted for rudd or gillard to be PM, you voted for the party and your local member, the party itself elects the leader.

      What has she really done wrong, yes the high court decision was bad, but if you look more closely its DIAC who would have provided advice to say it would get the green light.

      You winge about Labor messing the economy and cried foul when they wanted to tax the mining companies a little more, and then BHP dropped a $22b profit and people went ohhhh we should have got a little of that. Remember we are one of the few countries who remained safe from the GFC. If you want we can swap with the US or EU

      Whats wrong with Labor getting support from the greens, it amazes me that when the greens side with labor is not good enough, yet across the floor we have a group called a coalition (Liberal and Nationals are 2 separate parties)

      What is the other option, The Coalition has run a negative campaign since the election, with no viable options of policy. Australians dont like wingers or negative people and yet we are jumping right behind tony.

      I sadly see this country becoming more of a tea party political landscape

    • Cam says:

      10:38am | 02/09/11

      I completely agree about voting for the party and local member. The face of the party is meaningless - they are just there to be in front of the public, they DO NOT make the decisions.

      where do you get the idea “greens side with labor is not good enough”? nobody disputes that the two parties are similar enough (e.g greens are an off-shoot of labor to begin with) and a coalition makes sense.

      personally i would like to see more of a tea party ideal - this being:
      small government
      lower taxes (due to not having to pay for a wasteful large govt)
      reduce the red-tape a bureaucracy to get the government doing what it was originally designed to do - build infrastructure, defense / policing.
      bring back personal responsibility

    • JT says:

      09:55am | 02/09/11

      Let’s cut the crap, any change in leader will not change the independents position AT ALL. They may talk about the deal being with Julia not Labor but they have sold their soul to Labor and nothing Labor does will disrupt this.

      Oakeshott and Windsor are gone no matter what, Wilkie’s only chance at getting his single issue platform through is with Labor, a new election will bring the Coalition into power and they have no interest in his soapbox.

      Any change in leader now will not save Labor but I think it is getting closer to the day where individuals within Labor start looking to saving themselves rather than the party and once that tipping point is reached, we will see leadership changes/policy changes/an election.

    • Liberal from Perth says:

      09:55am | 02/09/11

      The Labor Party has some talented individuals amongst its ranks Smith, Rudd, Shorten and even Bowen. They however cannot shine under the hopelessness of the leadership of Gillard and Swan. Remove those two and the Labor Party has a fleeting chance of success. The Liberal Party under Abbott is doomed and the Labor Party know it. Remove Gillard and Swan, install one of the talents and you have a recipe that may lead to this government being successful at the next election. Australia is sick of the minority government and being held to ransom by the Greens and the Independents and their idiotic policies. Labor needs to win the next election and win it well, Abbott is only enhancing their prospect of success, step up Malcolm.

    • BobM says:

      10:39am | 03/09/11

      ‘The Liberal Party under Abbot is doomed’ - what a load of BS. He led them to electoral victory and then was shafted by the two so-called Independents - and because he wouldn’t sell his soul and the people of Australia out to the crazy Greens, you think he failed?
      And anyone who says they are Liberal and still tout Malcolm Turnbull as their ideal Liberal leader is a Labor voter or else really, really deluded.  Malcolm Turnbull is only interested in Malcolm Turnbull - even the recent Wikileaks confirmed this.
      Abbott will be the next PM, and he will run rings around the tool that is our so-called PM at the moment.

    • Kimberley says:

      09:55am | 02/09/11

      Gillards arrogance is out of control. Her latest comment “I’m not going anywhere”
      Well that decion is not yours to make Ms Gillard, look what you and the Unions did to Rudd.
      She’s so full of herself she’s about to explode!

    • paul says:

      09:57am | 02/09/11

      the sooner she goes the better, what ever she touches turns to s—t but which fool gets the chair, the whole govt should gothere must be some way the people can force an election

    • WTF says:

      09:58am | 02/09/11

      Martin are you Julias long lost son” what part of we don,t need these silly taxes do you not understand and the broad band a success and the carbon tax"beam me up scottie no intelligent life down here.

    • David says:

      09:58am | 02/09/11

      We have a leader and a party who has put their personal interests above those that they are supposed to serve.  Our economy is in dire straits with jobs under threat and they are worried about egos and being in power.  Labor has no right to be in power when they longer are serving the people.

    • wallace says:

      09:59am | 02/09/11

      No Matter what she did, at least, she is a brave ppl, considering she has been cleans Rudd’s ass for the whole time.
      Rudd is the ppl cause all problem,

      Refugee problem,

      high price house caused by that huge first home buyer bonus—unaffordable house price,

      failed mining tax—two speed economy

      Promised carbon schedule .

      Gillard is the ppl cleaning those mess now. if she is down, who can do better, so far no one.

    • AlanM says:

      09:59am | 02/09/11

      The greens and independents have turned our political system into a circus.
      Apparently their deal is with Gillard not Labor.
      If Gillard is booted that link (fingers crossed) will be broken.
      I want Gillard out to get rid of those fools.
      Hopefully the carbon tax scam will go with them.

    • John Smythe says:

      12:00pm | 02/09/11

      I like their news shows for these “re-enactments” smile

    • jb says:

      10:02am | 02/09/11

      if she truley cared about Australia and Australians she would resign and leave the job to someone who has half a clue…

    • Greg says:

      10:04am | 02/09/11

      Why do voters have such sort attention spans? Ruddsy was kicked out because he was all talk and no action. All he did was sign the meaningless Kyoto Protocol, apologise to the Aborigines (which had great symbolic value but actually did nothing to help anybody) and form about 43 different committees. It’ll be the same if they bring him back, and it’ll make Labor look incredibly stupid. Still, better Ruddsy than Abbott.

    • NicoleG says:

      10:04am | 02/09/11

      Should she go? Yep. Will she go? Nope. She’s a power freak, who will do anything to stay where she is. She doesn’t give a shit about this Country, only the power. ‘I am the Prime Minister. I’m the best person for this job’ *Cringe* Oh well, it is fun watching her make more of a fool of herself every day. Free entertainment.

    • MargD says:

      12:04pm | 02/09/11

      Couldn’t agree more NicoleG!  Dillard says she’s not going anywhere…..wanna bet? She’s going down the gurgler and so is Lame Duck!  Even Kevin Rudd is looking good to me and that’s something I thought I’d never say.

    • Joel B1 says:

      01:10pm | 02/09/11

      NicoleG,

      Exactly.

    • Graham says:

      10:05am | 02/09/11

      No, the whole two party system should be thrown out along with the Barry Manilow records. It does not support the best interests of Australia or Australians, only a few people in either the Red or Blue Teams.

    • Adrian says:

      10:05am | 02/09/11

      Julia ‘s shot at the High Court decision was the final straw for a lot of people,it really was a PR blunder of monumental proportions and will eventually see the end of her as PM .When it happens and it will be soon,probably within the next 4 weeks, I would not be surprised to see Steven Smith as PM and Combet hisright hand man.

    • Lost, alone and in the wilderness says:

      10:06am | 02/09/11

      Could someone please direct the Labor Party to the Lost and Found Department because it seems Kevin has “lost his way”,  Julia has “lost her authority”, Craig Thompson has “lost his credit card and telephone temporarily” and the rest of the MPs appear to have “lost the plot”.

    • Dan says:

      10:06am | 02/09/11

      The knifing of Kevin Rudd will go down in history as the ALP’s worst political mistake. Airing what was little more than dirty laundry on such a public scale was simply foolish.

      Julia Gillard could have made a very effective Prime Minister. On her worst day, she’s twice the leader Tony Abbott will ever be. But you simply can’t bounce back from such public betrayal.

      The next election is lost, it’s now a matter of damage control. Labor has no political capital left to lose - it can essentially do what it was. it has two options, I feel:

      a) Start reforming. Make the changes they want to, while they’ve got two years of Government left. Take on the Whitlam spirit, and make the changes they desperately want to, that a Coalition Government would never do. With a good relationship with the Independents and Greens - Medicare-scale reform is on the cards.

      b) Put in Kevin Rudd. The caucus will hate it. The party will hate it. But the voters will love it. He and Penny Wong are the only real Labor figures with any level of public trust. The next election is lost - but the blow will be alot softer under K-Rudd.

      Either way the next election is a goner. Now The Gillard Govt has to decide whether they want to be remembered for active reform, or simply keep the chair warm for the arrival of Abbott as PM.

    • Tanya says:

      10:42am | 02/09/11

      Well said, Dan.

      If they took your advice and stabilised for a while it would give the Liberal’s time to put Malcolm Turnbull in the chair and afford voters a far more viable opposition and choice. Australia has lost faith in the ALP but public opinion of the liberals as the better government is less than it should be because Tony Abbott is simply not liked.

      I think the public would be more forgiving of Labor’s errors if confidence could be restored simply in the stability of the cabinet for the duration – a great deal of what is being referred to as ‘the mess’ is clouded by rumours and innuendos of leadership challenges; overthrows and undeniably stupid alternatives that some people are liable to take seriously, for example, Peter Beattie, which would lose them every seat in Queensland. If removal of Gillard is going to occur, it needs to occur with expedience and with admission of mistakes having been made. And also with a humble concession of defeat and a promise to simply administer the nation until the next election.

    • Clint says:

      10:06am | 02/09/11

      Please Julia, pack your office and go, but make sure you take all of your party & your pupeteer Bob & his croney mates with you.

      Enough is enough!!

      I hate politics and I vote for the person who I think will do the job the best, but this current Government has lost the plot and are achieving nothing but sending our great country backawards.

      Peoples preferance for a political party is like Holden Vrs Ford at Bathurst, you are either a supporter of one or the other. But people try leaving you faith alone for a minute and have a good look at what the current government is achieving - nothing, do you prefer that we keep going backwards and be a laughing stock to the rest of the world?

    • Dan says:

      10:51am | 02/09/11

      I appreciate the sentiment, and it’s widely shared.

      But you need to ask one important question - is the alternative genuinely a better option?

      Would a Tony Abbott-led Coalition do a better job?

      For what it’s worth, I’ve seen nothing but cheap populism from the Opposition leader, and both the Liberals and Nationals.

      Until we see a real alternative, I’ll keep supporting the incumbents.

    • Peter T says:

      10:07am | 02/09/11

      This is what Gillard needs to do to stay in power.

      1. Sack the RBA.
      2. Make interest rates 0%.

      Ha ha ha ha ha!

    • Doug Pollar says:

      10:07am | 02/09/11

      Nothing illustrates her political tin ear better than her decision to go Court-bashing. She wanted a circuit-breaker on the refugee issue and the court handed her one on a platter. All she had to do was say, “Sorry people, but we can’t go against the law, so we’re going to have to process them onshore, starting tomorrow. You might not like it, I might not like it, but my hands are tied, the law is the law, and we need to get this sorted now.” But she had neither the smarts nor the courage.

    • BT says:

      10:10am | 02/09/11

      Let her Step down, Let there be a new vote let the people of Australia decide who (labour or liberal) should lead our country. Not some handshake between a couple of people

    • Your Welcome says:

      10:10am | 02/09/11

      Looks like the majority people want to dump the ‘itch. But she’s no better than Ghadafi, he won’t go either without bloodshed. So she is no better than Ghadafi, and living like a Dictator.

    • Tammy says:

      10:11am | 02/09/11

      No two ways about it, Gillard must put the people, nation and Labor brand before her own ambitions and herself and forgo high office.

    • Geoff says:

      10:12am | 02/09/11

      It’s very easy, have an election and get rid of these fools before they think about replacing yet another looser, maybe they might get Hawk or Keating back, wouldn’t that be fun!!

    • Jess says:

      10:13am | 02/09/11

      What is the point of Gillard going, isn’t the whole party the ones who make the decisions so therefore no matter who the Head is the party still has all the same people making the dumb decisions. There really only hope that Australia has is the policy makers within the Liberal Party but who knows what they are like cause they wont talk about what they will do but then again who can trust what they say. Australia is doomed.

    • Talon says:

      10:15am | 02/09/11

      NO. PENBO.  We do not think another labour member should take her place.  An overwhelming majority believe that if she had any moral fortitude she would not step asside but call an election.  Labour party lobbying is your choice and I do not see why I read your pieces but to make sure people know your opinion is not a popular one shared by all Australians.

    • Talon says:

      10:44am | 02/09/11

      Reflection:  My apologies to David Penberthy.  I offer no half baked excuses only an explanation.

      The more I am exposed to the Labour governments incompetence the angrier I become.  The mere mention of Julia Gillards name is enough to make me see red.  I am afraid that I have developed the fight or flight instinct on this issue and am not one to run.  There is no come back for a party that has instilled such a response in its elecotrates.

      Labour has a very simple choice.  Call an election now and accept a decade on the side lines rebuilding its legitimacy or fight it out to its enevitable end of political oblivion for the next half century.

    • kurtis912 says:

      10:16am | 02/09/11

      FML says “Everybody is crying like we are all living in poverty or something, wont somebody think of the starving children in africa.”.
      My response is if we don’t act now and ditch this incompetent labor facade’ we will be as worse off as Africa. For the sake of the country we have to ditch the witch, and the labor ministers who have contributed to the worst four years of government this nation has ever had. Ever.

    • Anubis says:

      10:16am | 02/09/11

      Let Julia stay. She has inflicted so much damage on the Labor brand it would be a shame to get rid of her and slow the decline. The whole bunch are incompetent muppets and deserve to be tossed out of power for decades (or until they clean out the corrupt union flunkies.

      Julia - the red queen - Master of policy failure. This woman is so bad she can’t get anything right. As for her morals - when she was a solicitor she chose to bump uglies with one of her clients (clear conflict of interest considering she was doing legal work for the unions). Justification - he brought me clothes and helped fix up my house (meanwhile he was systematically rorting union funds what could have been up to $1 mill) Surely you have to ask questions if someone who is on union pay can afford to lavish $17,000 on a few frocks for his current bang.

      Wayne Swan - the Baldrick of the Labor party. This guy is so bad I would bet he has even managed to lose his own turnip. Under his guidance as treasurer we have gone from having $21 bill in the kitty to being in hock to the tune of almost $200 billion. And they have the audacity to pass legislation to up the nations credit limit to $250 billion.

      Kevin Rudd - Australia’s own Eric Cartman. This goose failed as Prime Minister and as Foreign Minister is using the position to lobby for a seat at the UN. Under his guidance our “foreign Aid” expenditure has increased by a magnitude of billions of dollars. A lot of which is disappearing into the pockets of tin pot dictators and corrupt officials as bribes to purchase said UN seat.

      Craig Thomson - The minister for Giggity Giggity. Spends thousands of dollars of union money on prostitutes and lavish living. Withdrawing at least $100,000 of undocumented cash withdrawals while on private overseas jaunts. Then continues to use the union credit card to fund his election campaign. The guy is a corrupt sleaze. Then they put him on to one of the nations most important budget committees. You couldn’t trust this guy with the keys to a kids money box.

      Greg Combet - the Minister for managing the world’s air conditioning. This muppet, another ex-union hack, has been charged with leading Australia’s Climate Change response. Fully supportive of a tax that will adversely affect everyone and every business while doing sweet fa to address climate change “it is all about seizing the economic opportunity”. Combet wouldn’t know if it was raining until he was standing in a puddle up to his jaxi.

      Anthony Albaneze - The minister of No Consequence. Just another snout at the trough waiting for his ludicrously generous pension and perks This guy openly displays the utter contempt that the Labor party has for the Australian population.

      Then there is the alliance with the Greens - the most ridiculous party to ever gain a semblance of power in Australia’s history. Bob Brown, while once respected for his actions on the Gordon/Franklin river protests has totally abandoned any semblance of environmental concern. he has surrounded himself with whack jobs and communists who have seized on the greens as an opportunity to further their ridiculous, racist, ant business, ant-society agenda.

      The Independents are a farce. They have abandoned their principals and their electorates for the chance to wield a bit of power.

      Why Labor can still muster 27% support is beyond me. Incompetent, corrupt, sleaze bags, socialists and communists who are hell bent on doing what is best for them and couldn’t give a stuff about what is best for Australia.

    • Well said says:

      10:44am | 02/09/11

      Right on the nail…..well said . I wish all the labor supporters could just see it for what it is.

    • Clint says:

      10:54am | 02/09/11

      Anubis, you have summed it up beautifully & truthfully.

      It seems every time we get a labour Govt, they inherit the country in great shape and very properous,  but in the blink of an eye we go down the gurgler and then when it all falls a part they are ousted and the new party has to rebuild & clean up the mess which takes many years.

      Politicians with no practical real world business experiance are the worst people to run a country or portfolio as they are not business leaders. A degree in political science does not qualify you to to be a leader.

    • Burkhard says:

      11:56am | 02/09/11

      You could have easily written 10 times as much if you included the rest of these clowns, but I guess you’re preaching to the converted anyway.

      And those 27% represents those within and directly below the Labor food-chain. This simply can’t go any lower.

    • Anubis says:

      01:09pm | 02/09/11

      @ Burkhard - Damn right - by the time you add in Roxon, Wong, and all the other dropkicks you could almost come up with a word count equaling a PhD thesis, and barely a good word in the lot. But really what is it with femal politicians and incompetence ? Gillard, Joan Kirner, Anna Bligh, Carmen Lawrence, the current GG, Mary Jo Fisher etc. - the only thing they have in common other than being female, political is incompetence and corruption. This lot has set back the reality of a competent female PM or Premier by decades, because really, who would be willing to vote another woman into a senior position of power after Gillard’s demonstration of competence?  Not misogynistic just observing reality (and yes there have been many corrupt and useless men in power such as Joh Bjelke Peteresen, but at least when he was in power he allowed the state to advance rather than retarding it)

    • John Smythe says:

      03:18pm | 02/09/11

      Post of the day!!!!

    • Mickey T says:

      08:10pm | 02/09/11

      John Smythe says “Post of the day”

      You are either Anubis or you have the same dictionary in reference to socialists and communists as Anubis?

      Anubis says “socialists and communists who are hell bent on doing what is best for them and couldn’t give a stuff about what is best for Australia” - You need a new dictionary or understanding of S & C’s Anubis, try the following:-

      http://www.diffen.com/difference/Communism_vs_Socialism

      Our current government does not replicate any of these, stop with the lies and spin, clown.

    • Charlie says:

      08:43pm | 02/09/11

      great Post and So very well put….only the intelligent will get it though, and they wouldn’t vote Labour.

    • Jack says:

      10:19am | 02/09/11

      Yes she should go.

      Should she resign?  To resign would be to much of an admission of poor performance so she probably can’t.

      However, our independent clowns do have the power to remove themselves which would in return remove Julia.  They should put their seats where their mouths are and give them up.

    • G Allen says:

      10:21am | 02/09/11

      “Going nowwhere” who would give up that sort of pay for doing nothing?  And yes she should go and give back at least half her pay.  PM should be paid a liveable wage and a bonus if the state is reducing debt and building a stronger economy.

    • Tony H says:

      10:22am | 02/09/11

      “Should Gillard go?”, she should never have been there in the first place.
      Her only achievement will have been to provide mountains of material for political comedy writers.

    • Greg says:

      10:22am | 02/09/11

      She should first answer why she is gagging the media re questions about her home renos…yes I know this wont be posted on the blog because the News ltd bosses and fairfax bosses don’t want to mention the gillard renos but it will get out sooner or later

    • Martin says:

      10:29am | 02/09/11

      have you actually seen Gillards house ?. . .I doubt its had any work done on it since she bought it. . . You need to stop muck-raking !

    • Greg says:

      11:40am | 02/09/11

      @Martin, alledgedly Bob Kernohan (former AWU state president) alledgedly says she did. No one said they were good renos. If it was just muck she wouldnt be trying so hard to gag the media.

    • Tori says:

      10:27am | 02/09/11

      Penny Wong for PM! Anyone?

    • John says:

      10:49am | 02/09/11

      NO thanks

    • Had Enough says:

      11:22am | 02/09/11

      That’s what we need now…A Dyke running the show

    • Tony H says:

      11:38am | 02/09/11

      Dalek Wong would need to switch to the House of Reps to be the PM. Although, as Bob Brown has demonstrated, you can be a senator and effectively be the defacto PM.

    • andre says:

      11:44am | 02/09/11

      Penny Wong is a politically correct member of the government , government’s declaration of tolerance for homosexuals and progress in moral issues (regress rather). And that is all. Anything important for all of us she has came up with yet? Can Penny Wong’s salary be jistified there?
      Anyone?

    • Anubis says:

      01:39pm | 02/09/11

      @ Andre - sound of crickets chirping in the background - fade to black

    • averill says:

      02:08pm | 02/09/11

      Sorry !!  —No she is totally wong for this position !!

    • James says:

      10:28am | 02/09/11

      The deal for Labor to form government between the cross benchers may have been with Gillard and not the Labor party but one forgets that the Cross Benchers have a vested interest in keeping the current status quo and the current government going its full term. Why would the cross benchers vote out a government just to have one with a majority elected thus reducing their influence? Not to mention they may not even survive being re-elected by their electorates if a fresh election were to be called. Andrew Wilkie prooved this today when he said he expected the current government to run for another 2 more years despite its problems. Wonder then if his threat to withdraw his support if the pokie reforms were not passed was simply an empty one?

    • first home byuer super saaaaver says:

      10:28am | 02/09/11

      2012 Bring bac the Kev!!
      2012 Bring back the Kev!!
      2012 Bring back the Kev!!

      I am excited !!!

    • George says:

      10:30am | 02/09/11

      Ok then where is Malcolm Turnbull in all of this? Is he waiting for his own Stephen Bradbury moment? I suspect that Peter Costello would be smirking pre consultant about the landscape he petulantly chose not to be a part of. These two are the types we needed to guide us through. Economically savvy but with something resembling a heart & at least cogniscent of climate change. All this country engages in is either a fistfight or a love-in when it comes to politics. over it.

    • RyaN says:

      10:59am | 02/09/11

      @George: maybe he is thinking about running for leader of the Labor party, he basically is a Labor member as it is.

    • MarK says:

      11:30am | 02/09/11

      “V”

      The majority of Austraians disagree with you. Please keep up.

      Feel free tro ask Julia to wear out more shoe leather promoting this though.

      I can hardly wait for her to promote her job destroying tax again that will do nothing to benefit the environment and cannot hope to fix a problem that does not exist anyway.

      Giggling in anticipation of this issue being raised again.

      (because I used caps earlier no doubt here is a link for ya)

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7miRCLeFSJo

    • GB says:

      10:31am | 02/09/11

      Cue the Tony Abbott diversionary smokescreen story in 10, 9, 8…................................

    • stevem says:

      10:41am | 02/09/11

      I believe Labor need to change tactics now. No matter what they do the next election will be a massacre. They have to recognise the damage they have done to the party and govern in the most minimal way they can to keep things ticking over. Doing nothing minimises the stuff ups. Slowly the Labor faithful will forgive and forget.

      A Gillard health scare closer to the election will will allow them to hand the poisoned chalice of leadership to a caretaker leader. This will allow them to hang onto a few seats and lay the foundation for a revival.

      If the increasing shrillness and poorly thought out policy-on-the-run continues Labor’s stocks may fall too low to ever recover.

    • Steve says:

      10:46am | 02/09/11

      Let her stay and face the voter backlash she deserves at the next election. Getting dumped by her own party would simply turn attitudes towards he from contempt to sympathy like it did with Rudd. He escaped the shame of being dumped from power and voters were conned by the change in leadership.

    • lina says:

      10:47am | 02/09/11

      Another ex “leader” whose surname begins with G has called for his country to burn…anyone notice the similarity?

    • Tory Shepherd

      Tory Shepherd says:

      10:54am | 02/09/11

      I know everyone’s excited, but please lay off the caps lock! There are quite a few coming through that we won’t publish. Thank you!

    • MarK says:

      11:26am | 02/09/11

      Yeh that caps lock really is atrocious.

      Thinks of the kids.

      Then again say fuck all you want.

      I really get confused with the standards expected on this site /shrug.

      Anyway back on topic.

      How about that Labor party eh.

    • averill says:

      12:12pm | 02/09/11

      I thought caps lock was for emphasis? I can’t think of any other topic that needs emphasis more than this one Tony !!

    • Tory Shepherd

      Tory Shepherd says:

      12:53pm | 02/09/11

      It wasn’t directed at you, IanD! More in general. @averill one or two here or there is fine, I’m talking about people who are submitting comments written all in caps lock.

      Online it’s considered shouting.

      Ta!

    • JC says:

      08:57am | 04/09/11

      Dont worry Tory, any sites depicting usage of the caps lock key will be automatically black listed by the Internet Filter.

    • papachango says:

      10:57am | 02/09/11

      ‘It is more than likely that in the event of Gillard’s removal, one or all three of these men would withdraw their support for the Government and force a snap poll’

      Absolute rubbish. They are toast next election and they know it. Oakeshott’s popularity is at 14.8%, which is higher than he deserves. They’ve made their beds and must now lie in it - they’ll hang on to the bitter end. I’m sure they’d even endorse Craig Thompson for PM if it meant another couple of years in the limelight.

    • Burkhard says:

      10:58am | 02/09/11

      Should Gillard go…. fuck yeah !!!

    • Julia must go says:

      10:59am | 02/09/11

      If she refuses to go, put her down!
      BRING back K Rudd wit S Smith as 2IC

    • Burkhard says:

      11:21am | 02/09/11

      Are you frigging kidding us??? I agree with putting Gillard down, but bringing Rudd back? Have you already forgotten Rudd’s failures? If you have, maybe we should put you both down!

    • Hal Pringle says:

      11:03am | 02/09/11

      This ALP/Greens/Clowns coalition should go, but I can’t see it happening. As Abbott said, this government should die of shame at its own incompetence, but it has two things going for it:
      a) a total lack of self awareness. They appear unware of what dills they look and
      b) the support of most of the media despite all their calamities.
      They will try and hang on.

    • dale says:

      12:57pm | 02/09/11

      They don’t have the support of most of the media.
      Newscorp which owns this tabliod and 70% of newsprint in this country is against the Labor Party.

      Its just a shame they are having such an influence on the working class of this country.The Labor party have always been fairer and done more for the working class of Australia…given them superanuation and fairer working conditions..compensation for the Carbon Tax…The LNP have never done any of this…they spent nothing on infrastructure in Govt and bought the publics votes with baby bonus and huge tax cuts which drove up inflation and interests rates…

    • Kurisu Sonsaku says:

      01:07pm | 02/09/11

      @ dale - Yeah its teh evil Murdoch and his minions, labour ineptitude and the ability to #$%k up everything they touch had nothing to do with it eh.

    • poa says:

      11:03am | 02/09/11

      The perception is that this a government only held together by incredibly slow progress of the AEC, the FWA, the ATO and NSW Police with an ALP MP.
      Its a bad look when a Lib senator goes to court within months, and justice for the ALP seems very different.
      Perhaps in the future a Royal Commission will ask these people if pressure was applied to slow them down fore political purposes.
      Gillard is toast.
      So his her government.
      PS Its hysterical watching the ALP trolls come up with excuses….Innocent till proven guilty, misogynist Australians etc.

    • David S says:

      11:03am | 02/09/11

      Absurd. Of course she should not go.  If the catalyst is negative opinion polls, or being stymied by the High Court on a policy then the answer is clear - these are challenges all Prime Ministers face and it is not appropriate for the Labor caucus to remove Gillard on these bases alone.
      There have been significant policy achievements and there are more to come including passing the carbon tax legislation and the mining tax.
      Gillard is in the middle of once-in-a-generation policy changes that will favorably impact the country for decades to come.
      If the Labor Party has any spine at all, they will back their leader through these changes and accept the fate of the electorate in 2013 knowing that, while maybe they are not popular, they did the right thing for Australia which will set them up for future electoral success.
      Dumping another leader and core policies is a sure way to defeat.

    • papachango says:

      04:44pm | 02/09/11

      Oh dear that’s the funniest comment I’ve read for a long time! How could you type that with a straight face… lpoved the bit about ‘significant policy achievement’, champagne comedy!

    • FOS says:

      11:06am | 02/09/11

      /femaleorgasm* YES!!!

    • Joe says:

      11:08am | 02/09/11

      At this stage most Australians just want to see the back of Gillard and her carbon tax. How about the Labor party listening to the people for once and and ditching both.

    • larrie says:

      11:09am | 02/09/11

      Yes she should go along with the rest of them.Call an election and let the people decide who is to be the PM once and for all

    • Rose says:

      08:15pm | 02/09/11

      @larry

      She did just last August, and won. Remember ?

    • Holly says:

      11:10am | 02/09/11

      Another speculative column and waste of time.  Seriously some of your commenters need to get their blood pressure checked.

      The population and media at large seem to have very short and or selective memories when it comes to discussing politics.  One would be forgiven for thinking there were no policy debacles under the Howard led government, which could not be further from the truth.

      Instant solution to productivity in this country - ban everyone from access to internet for personal reasons during work hours.  Immediate improvement judging from this column - about 30%.  By the way when I left work five years ago it was already eating away at 15% of work time nationally.

      Economically savvy Peter Costello is not.  He left the country with a structural debt with his unsustainable middle and high income welfare payments.

    • RyaN says:

      03:07pm | 02/09/11

      and enough cash to get us through the GFC, clearly wasn’t thinking ahead that guy!

    • papachango says:

      05:20pm | 02/09/11

      Howard had a couple of stuff ups, but many more successes.

      Gillard / Rudd have catastrophically stuffed up Every. Single. Thing. They’ve. Done. No other govenrment in Australian history has been worse, even Whitlam had some wins.

    • Thommo says:

      11:12am | 02/09/11

      If only we had the same code of honour as Feudal Japan - then and only then could Gillard do the right thing.

    • AJ says:

      11:17am | 02/09/11

      Should Gillard go? What.. you mean there’s another option?

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      11:19am | 02/09/11

      Out with Gillard, In with Abbott. The sooner we start the war against Abbott the better. Both are incompetent and unfit to be Prime Minister of Australia.

    • cretin says:

      11:19am | 02/09/11

      “should Caucus make the decision for her and just put her out of her misery?”
      _________________

      Caucus should make the decision and put US out of OUR misery of having such an incompetent & useless PM!

    • Annoyed says:

      11:22am | 02/09/11

      I am amazed at how many of you talk like you’re experts, yet can’t even spell.

    • RayN says:

      03:12pm | 02/09/11

      Wlel alapernelty you olny need to get the fsirt and lsat lteter rhgit for you to be albe to raed and utdresnnad a steennce.

    • dave says:

      11:26am | 02/09/11

      No way Gillard should go.  She should be the one to lead Labor to the next polls and stand on her record.  {spoken and authorized by the Liberal Party]

    • Harlequin says:

      11:27am | 02/09/11

      Ain’t a lotta love on this blog for the PM.  At least credit her for doing what no other ALP leader has done since Paul Keating - united the Liberal Party.  Still I wonder how valuable the polls are.  However abhorent the Government is or what your personal view of Ms Gillard is, can you seriously bring yourself to vote for Tony Abbott when push comes to shove?  Really?

    • jagemo says:

      11:28am | 02/09/11

      I think one can quite easily put the blame on Abbott for this misunderstanding. After all, Abbott has been driving a negaitve campaign about refugees which in turn has ensured that Gillard had no choice but to match his cruel and unworkable policies.

      And really, she didn’t criticise the high Court she merely pointed out that they missed an opportunity for a good government to make a good decision in regards to refugees, unlike Abbott would have done.

    • Zac says:

      11:59am | 02/09/11

      “After all, Abbott has been driving a negaitve campaign about refugees which in turn has ensured that Gillard had no choice but to match his cruel and unworkable policies.”

      jagemo, Tony Abbott is the leader of the OPPOSITION. Hope you get that. If the Opposition leader put the Prime Minister in a position of like you say “no choice” that just tells me he is an effective and competent Opposition leader. Julia Gillard was elected (at least the independants) to come up with effective policies in the interest of the nation. And she miserably failed. Now tell me what has Tony got to do with the Malaysian policy, East Timor policy, Pink Batts, Green Loans, Education Revolution, Solar Panels (that burn), Escorts, Gunns 10 million dollar phone call scheme for refugees etc.

      Shame on you!!

    • RyaN says:

      03:14pm | 02/09/11

      @jagemo: your sarcasm is awesome!

    • Steve Simonds says:

      11:28am | 02/09/11

      My concern, I’m sure like every other Australian here is we don’t want to be tricked into voting for KRudd and then have him replaced during his term by someone we would have never voted for in the first place..

    • splas the cash says:

      11:29am | 02/09/11

      The socialists time in the sun is on the countdown.
      Rednecks, Extremists, Tea Party, call the Australian Majoriy what you like,but there their muscle will be felt soon.

    • Save Australia says:

      11:29am | 02/09/11

      Gillard has to go… Australia has been damaged enough.

    • derbyiter says:

      11:30am | 02/09/11

      Just try naming 3 things she has done without stuffing it up for the true benifit for all Australians ??? Yep, it’s bloody hard. Everything she has touched has turned to shit! We all will be better off without this mob…

    • Jan Jones says:

      11:30am | 02/09/11

      Peter from the bush.  Are you serious?  Julia Gilliard couldn’t run a raffle.  She takes the crown from Whitlam as Australia’s worst Prime Minister.

    • Redrover says:

      11:31am | 02/09/11

      Gillard has always been into social engineering. She is the supreme egotist. Her comments this morning “has a lot of things to do to keep realising that vision of the nations future”. This smacks of “I know what is best for you” even though the polls and demonstrations should show her that her vision is not acceptable to the Australian people.

      From the election campaign to the present with Gillard it has always been ....me, me, me or I, I, I. She does not have a political mind, her object is to control and force her socialst objectives onto Australia.
      The day she took the leadership from an elected Prime Minister she saw an opportunity for social engineering, and she has used it.
      She was always going to be dangerous in a position of power.

    • Ricky says:

      11:34am | 02/09/11

      the leader only contributes to the party as an individual. The leader won’t make everything better because they’re a collective of politicians who decide the course of action we take. The whole Labour party is stupid and inadequate to be running our country. While Liberal actually fixes all the Labour mistakes and brings our country back to life. All Labour voters are the closest relatives to cavemen.

    • Clem says:

      11:35am | 02/09/11

      There’s only one person who is fit to lead the Labor party to the next election: Malcolm Turnbull.

    • MarK says:

      11:55am | 02/09/11

      Sadly you are correct.

    • Joe says:

      12:38pm | 02/09/11

      Agreed, Turnbull is clearly a Labor man in the mould of Hawke and Keating (super egos) and would be happier promoting his ETS from that side of the house. The Liberals would be better off without him as he would only ever be a distraction to whoever happens to be the LIberal leader.

    • Loxy says:

      12:41pm | 02/09/11

      Turnbull would get my vote no matter which party he was in!

    • bo says:

      11:35am | 02/09/11

      Australias’ first non-elected female PM. Just as successful as kirner, bligh or the other labor premiers. Australians can only pray that when the exorcism comes, that labor take the dangerous greens with them. At least labor sheeple will be able to happily whine when Australians must, once again, pay more under the coalition… to wipe off the debt labor imposed on our children’s future.

    • JimboK says:

      11:35am | 02/09/11

      If Gillard should go and obviously Rudd should have gone then can’t the MSM cheer squad for lefties and Labor go as well?

      The country and the world would be better for thne resignations of Oleaginous Oaksey, Rudd-man Hartcher, Michelle ALP-Belle Grattan, Phil ‘Liberlals-bad’ Coorey, Tubs Farr, Dave ‘my-face-is-always-secewed-up in disdain-for-ordinary-Aussies’ Marr, 95% of ABC presenters and reporters, etc., etc

      I’m just sayin’....

    • Destry says:

      11:36am | 02/09/11

      Forget history and all the side issues: A Kevin-11 / Stephen Smith tag-team is the ONLY chance Labor has.  Smith is a respected cleanskin.  Voters have been consistent over the past 2 years in insisting that they want Kev, and voters will flock back to him and leave Tony out on a limb.  When Julia goes, all her stuff-ups go with her and Labor will avoid life in the wilderness for a generation.  The 3 Independents don’t have the cojones to abandon the agreement because, probably, they are the only ones who are more reviled than Julia and losing their seats is a foregone conclusion; so, the rats will stay in the ranks.  The anti-Labor hysteria is essentially anti-Julia.  You don’t need to talk to too many people face-to-face, or read too many only comments, to realize that.  The polls say Rudd is their saviour; their ONLY option.  With Rudd, Labor can save the next election.  And I’m sure Kev will want his pound of flesh against those who led his assassination, starting with “et tu, Julia?”.

    • CHA says:

      11:37am | 02/09/11

      Of course she should resign - if not she should be sacked.
      She is way out of her depth - not up to the job .
      Why does she not do the honourable thing and dissolve both houses of Parliament and have a new election .
      Surely she must realise she is disliked and not rusted by the voters and neither is her Party

    • Dale says:

      12:27pm | 02/09/11

      What a load dribble people write about the Govt..allot of this negativity the community has for the Govt comes from the conservative leaning newscorp papers which own 70% of newsprint in this country .A growing number of reasonable thinking Australians think this is unhealthy for a fair and reasonable debate on difficult policy…etc Climate Change and Minerals Rent Tax.

      Newscorp defiantly have an agenda of regime change..Earlier this year the editors of newscorp papers in Australia had a meeting to discuss the Gillard minority Govt and straight after that meeting they began a campaign against the Govt.

      The people who read these papers are working class people who usually vote Labor..Newscorp are influencing the opinions of the majority of there readers against the Govt.Wake up Australia!!! The Labor movement have always done more for the working class etc….Superanuation ..fairer working conditions….Carbon Tax with compensation for the working class.
      What have the Liberals done for the working class…proof of being ripped off with work choices and no compensation with GST.

    • Kurisu Sonsaku says:

      12:52pm | 02/09/11

      @ Dale;

      Where to begin - “allot of this negativity the community has for the Govt comes from the conservative leaning newscorp papers”

      No, a lot of this negativity comes from an incompetant government that consistently buggers up everything it does.

      “Earlier this year the editors of newscorp papers in Australia had a meeting to discuss the Gillard minority Govt and straight after that meeting they began a campaign against the Govt.”

      Please produce the minutes of this supa sekrit meeting or give your conspiracy theories a rest.

      “The people who read these papers are working class people who usually vote Labor”

      Oh really? projecting a bit there i think

      “no compensation with GST.”

      That isn’t the silliest thing i’ve ever read, but it makes the top 5.

      I do so enjoy it when the laboUr rusted ons use terms like ‘working class’, you do realise that anyone with a job is working class or doesn’t that fit the narrative comrade.

      Anyhoo feel free to support juliar and the rest of the labour incompetants, even weapons grade stupid needs a cheers squad i supppose.

    • Roy Mcewan says:

      11:40am | 02/09/11

      YES !

    • Peter says:

      11:41am | 02/09/11

      Cut and run I say.

      Mr Shorten, Mr Crean, Mr Smith…it doesn’t really matter who the new leader is, so long as they dump the carbon tax/ETS. Some of the most dangerous proposed legislation this country has ever seen.

      The new PM can then call the Greens’ and regional Independents’ bluff: Mssrs Bandt, Windsor and Oakeshott will never withdraw their support for the current government.

      Wildcard Mr Wilkie is the key. Keep him onside by continuing to honour the pokies reform promise until the legislation ultimately fails to pass through the parliament next May.

      Buying this kind of time gives the new PM nine months in the job (and attempt to undo the policy disasters on climate change response, border security etc), until the minority government falls when Mr Wilkie withdraws his support and a general election is called.

      The parliament winds up next May come what may due to Wilkie’s withdrawal of support. Ms Gillard simply can’t lead the ALP to an election so soon. If she had till 2013 to turn it around, she may have had a stronger case to argue she had time to turn it around.

    • Graham says:

      11:45am | 02/09/11

      .... seems to me that an act of treachery would not be entirely inappropriate

    • Zac says:

      11:46am | 02/09/11

      I was just discussing with my wife of the terrible situation Australia is in today and made the following comment. Each passing day just exposes how competent the Howard government was and how incompetent the present one (too upset to type that five letter word) is. Irrespective of which side one is, I’ve never in my life come across this level of incompetence. I wish someone would take this pathetic government to High Court and prosecute them for incompetence.

      Many disagreed with Howard, directed utter bile at him day and night, threw shoes at him but he was extremely competent. Even in your dreams you cannot deny that.

      At this stage I am working hard not to get bitter. I wish Mr. Howard was running the show. Millions miss you Mr. Howard!!!!!

    • Brian says:

      11:47am | 02/09/11

      While Gillard has made mistakes she is also a victim of a vicious and sustained media witch-hunt which won’t stop until it has forced her out and installed Abbott as the PM. Once this happens it will finally dawn on people that the alternative is no better (very likely worse) and either the public or his own party will get rid of Abbott who has nothing more than constant negativity and scare tactics to bring to the table. Malcolm Turnbull must be spewing that a man not fit to lace his boots is likely to be handed power by the media and voters gullible enough to follow their voting instructions. The carbon tax is a classic example, for every 10 people who are fervently against it, I doubt even one could explain what it actually means, they are just following the media line. Libs won’t do anything radically different (in fact Labor is already pretty much following Lib style policy) so it matters little who is in power these days as policies are so similar. If it wasn’t for the fine you would get voting is not even worth the effort with such uninsiring choices on all sides.

    • Joe says:

      09:54pm | 02/09/11

      No, Gillard is a victim of her own backflip on the carbon tax. Not only did she lie about the carbon tax, she then tried to stonewall the Australian people over her broken promise. That’s why Gillard is now a dead woman walking. All politicians stuff up occasionally, but only rare ones are so arrogant that they blatantly insult the people who voted them in.

    • Jon says:

      11:49am | 02/09/11

      She needs to go, or at the very least go to election and see what Australia thinks of her pandering to the only Australians who matter to Labor - Wilkie, Katter et al.

      Time to put this government out of their misery.

    • GB says:

      11:49am | 02/09/11

      Seriously, Kevin Rudd??????? Have people gone mad or has this current government reached such depths that we’ve all become afflicted with amnesia? The man is a walking ego of colossal proportions and has no interest in furthering the cause of anybody other than himself. Everything this rodent has ever done has been motivated by his own advancement. The entire border protection debacle is of his making. While Gillard’s handling of it has been deplorable, it was his pandering to the UN in the first place that got us into this mess. If they have to change leaders, I’d be going with Stephen Smith. It won’t make me change my vote at the next election but at least he is honourable and somebody deserving of respect.

    • john says:

      11:50am | 02/09/11

      Constitutionally, there is no way we will go to an election and dissolve both houses with a double dissolution. I seriously doubt the governor general will conduct herself unethically & pull the rug from Gillards feet like Kerr did to Whitlam in 1975.

      The greens will never give up their hold on power in the upper house, and the independents won’t cut their elected tenure short and fall on their swords.

      The only solution is for Gillard to keep going until the date of the next election falls due.

      from wiki: Section 28 of the Constitution says: “Every House of Representatives shall continue for three years from the first sitting of the House, and no longer, but may be sooner dissolved by the Governor-General. 30 November 2013 is therefore the last possible date of the next election.”

      Worst case scenario for labor is that someone dies & a by-election is held where the liberals win, then they can form a minority government till 30 November 2013. I doubt that’s what liberals want, hence why they are ‘dogs barking” for an election.

      Liberals need to be careful here, it would be like eating a shit sandwich where if they inherit government by default then come Nov 30 2013 they would most likely lose the un-losable election.

    • stevem says:

      01:09pm | 02/09/11

      The liberals would be the nominal government. They would just need to put a popular but non-green piece of legislation up before the senate and wait for it to be rejected twice - that would establish the grounds for a double dissolution.

      Given the right piece of legislation they would romp home with a majority in both houses.

    • Anubis says:

      01:41pm | 02/09/11

      @ John - of course the GG won’t do that. her son in law is one of the corrupt bastards currently forming Government

    • john says:

      03:06pm | 02/09/11

      @ stevem ” They would just need to put a popular but non-green piece of legislation up before the senate and wait for it to be rejected twice - that would establish the grounds for a double dissolution.”

      True, the liberals could form a minority government and do the above to bring on an election - all by the end of the year, but Tony is not a clear preferred PM. The greens have been put there by the people, and by going to an early election it will only put even more greens in the senate, and a majority of liberals in the house of reps, polarising both houses & back to square 1. The best strategy is wait till 2013 when people are completely sick of both labor and the greens and win control of both houses….but of course with that outcome….be careful what you wish for.

      Tony control of both houses!!??...pray to anything you believe in to help us!

    • Don says:

      11:50am | 02/09/11

      93% want her to go. Is that not clear enough? Julia, please go now and stop doing any further damage to Australlia. You are the supposed leader of the worst government Australia has ever had.

    • Don says:

      11:50am | 02/09/11

      93% want her to go. Is that not clear enough? Julia, please go now and stop doing any further damage to Australlia. You are the supposed leader of the worst government Australia has ever had.

    • Engineer says:

      11:53am | 02/09/11

      It matters not which Labor leader is there, they’re all tarred with the same brush. Labor must go.

    • Ian1 says:

      11:56am | 02/09/11

      If she did, then the ALP may retain a few seats.  So I guess not, Australia will be much better off with NO ALP MP’s (except maybe Kevin).

    • Damian says:

      11:56am | 02/09/11

      that’ll do Julia, that’ll do.

    • hot tub political machine says:

      12:04pm | 02/09/11

      If it wasn’t for the independents making a deal specifically with a Gillard lead government as opposed to a Labor government, she would already be gone.

      I think the nation no longer feels cooperative with her.

      The right are against her because she’s Labor. The left is against her because she has trashed their values in an appeal to the right. She lost both sides.

      She offended so many labor voters in a bizarre appeal to conservatives that were never ever going to vote for her.

      Yesterdays attack on the high court was horrendous as well. Its something you expect from redneck radio not a prime minister. I think her prime ministership has been terminal for a while, but this is like being terminal and then being shot.

      Labor will be deciding over the next few weeks the pro’s and con’s of switching leaders again. I suspect the next round of polling will show a significant drop in their vote and that might persuade them.

      They will need a leader who is actually Labor and not “Liberal-lite” though

    • FedUp says:

      12:06pm | 02/09/11

      I love how all these idiots say that Abbott and the Liberals are worse prospects.

      They are not in charge and running the country so until they are given a chance and we see their results that is just a stupid hypothetical.

      What we do know"FACT” is that this government is the worst of all time and anyone with half a brain can see that and anyone with half a brain could do a better job. I think Abbott has atleast half a brain, JUST.

    • Marcus says:

      12:11pm | 02/09/11

      The Latest news - The Labor Party are now splitting into two. Australia can not put up with this situation for much longer. We deserve a Leader and a sound Government.
      Time for GG to step up to the plate.

    • VS says:

      12:15pm | 02/09/11

      It’s high time to let this self-opinionated, blame-storming oik go.

      If she won’t do it with dignity, then she needs to be ‘encouraged’ or just plain old-fashioned pushed.

      She and her cronies have managed to waste millions upon millions of dollars with their wasteful and ineffective policies. She does not represent the people of Australia or our ideals. She is no leader and she is not statesman/statesperson, only highly effective at debating in large groups.

    • Lance says:

      12:16pm | 02/09/11

      I hate to say it given I helped vote the libs out in 07, but wish we could have Howard back. Sure he was plain, wasn’t good at the soundbite but him and his team with Costello were just rock solid.

    • Lawyer says:

      12:16pm | 02/09/11

      The High Court didn’t say the Melaysian Solution was unconstitutional, they said it wasn’t legal. It’s an important difference.

    • hbrusse says:

      12:16pm | 02/09/11

      I dont think Julia should go!!! Its Abbott! Has he anything positive to say? NO

      Has he anything positive to contribute? NO

      God help us IF he becomes Prime Minister!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • nossy says:

      12:18pm | 02/09/11

      OHHH NO not Tones Abbott as PM? Now we are trawling the bottom of the barrell!  Could poor old Tony Abbott be the biggest loser the Libs have ever put up as leader Penbo?  I mean what ever has this F grader ever won? He attended the “Convoy Of No Consequence” in Canberra where 4000 were expected and only 300 turned up then later in Parliament he moved a motion to have Gillard make a statement on Thomson which was duly defeated! Strewth hes lost EVERY Censure motion he has every moved as well - about 16 so far - hasnt won one!  hahahah Going back to the 2010 election when 3 weeks in to the campaign Labor were gone for all money on the back of Laurie Oakes revelations and even a goose would have picked up 1st prize - bit NO Tones lost that one too!  then he again failed to win over the Independents to form govt. in a hung Parliament. Looking to this weeks Newspolls he is only 1 point ahead of the unpopular Gillard in the Preffered PM stakes - 1 point only! This poor little chap has D.U.D. written all over his forehead - the boover boy of politics and Labors greatest Electoral asset! Labor have also been able to get every piece of their legislation through Parliament - 185 pieces - he hasnt stopped one piece so far !  Ohhhhh how sweet it is!

    • Joel B1 says:

      01:16pm | 02/09/11

      Put your mankini back on nossy.

      You’re embarrassing.

    • nossy says:

      03:02pm | 02/09/11

      @Joel B1   of course what Joeley’s not telling everyone is that he is a Member of the Liberal Party and his comments are along party lines!  hahahahhahahahhaha

    • Martin says:

      03:35pm | 02/09/11

      @Nossy, what about 2pp vote? LNP 57%. I think that means a landslide, Nossy. BTW, I agree with Joel B1, you are an embarrassing dill.

    • JD says:

      12:21pm | 02/09/11

      Alright. OK. we get it. Nobody Likes Julia. We know. In my circle of friends, My claims about her incompetance are second to none.
      However…
      Im also wise. I know that any ‘leader’ of any party, is more of a spokesperson.
      The charisma in front of the Party. In Julias case, she has to speak for Labor, Mr Brown, and a couple of blood sucking Independants that didnt have their constituents in mind, but their own agendas.

      She has meetings with these people. Many many meetings. they have ideas. plans. They bring it to the entire party. they give a nod or shake, and take it from there.

      What we’re seeing here, is an entire party, plus the greens, plus the independants cracking under pressure.
      Why?

      Because they bit off more than they could chew. They became the Bob the Builders of parliment. Can we fix it? No sorry, there wasnt much broke to begin with, So you should leave it alone, but thanks anyway.

      What we’re seeing here, are a group of people, with nothing left to lose other than their jobs, fighting an uphill battle, trying to push a boulder with a toothpick up that hill.
      They want Carbon tax reform. Cigarette packaging reform. Alcohol reform. Gambling reform. NBN reform. Censorship reform.
      Reform, reform, reform. ITs too much. and a lot of australia doesnt even care for what they’re selling.

      Kevin Rudd NEARLY had the right idea. Get in touch with the people that put you in that place. talk to them. ASK not what they can do for you, but ask what it is THEY WANT. granted, you cant give everybody everything, however you can get a better indication of what direction to go.

      And the direction we’re going, is another election, with this farce of a government being shown the door. If polls are to be relied on, we’re going to witness a historical swing against the failures that keep piling up.

      But before you pass judgement, remember, Juliar is just a puppet. She has people behind her pulling the strings too. Getting rid of her, doesnt kill the problem.

    • Richard says:

      12:29pm | 02/09/11

      You mean “take her out of OUR misery”.

    • Reg says:

      12:30pm | 02/09/11

      Can we have a change from persecuting Gillard please?
      How about picking on Abbott insread? He has many more faults that Gillard does.

    • Paul C says:

      12:49pm | 02/09/11

      Julia????  Is that you?

    • Against the Man says:

      01:52pm | 02/09/11

      Reg are you really Seano? Cause only he will make a statement that dumb!

    • E-skeg says:

      12:32pm | 02/09/11

      Should she go?  Yes.  The Labor doctors got it wrong when they were looking at the spots.  They chose to get out the long knives and excise Rudd only to find out he was benign.  Gillard, on the other hand, is malignant.  Everything she goes near withers and dies.  If the Labor doctors don’t get their act together, and soon, the Labor party will also be dead, consigned to the history books as a failed experiment.

    • Garry says:

      12:35pm | 02/09/11

      Julia now won’t release her Malaysia legal advice.
      Tricky, cunning and sneaky is her game and it’s all about to come back and hit her fair in the face.
      This is no Prime Minister, just an arrogant fool who is totally out of her depth.

    • MarK says:

      12:57pm | 02/09/11

      Really? Not doubting you but can you link please.

      Interesting development

    • MarK says:

      01:41pm | 02/09/11

      Thanks.

      Ahhh. I thought it was the advice re the decision that she was reneging on. She will still release that as promised.

      Fair enough I guess.

      I can’t see any good coming out of releasing contrary advice they had previously. It will either be seen as an attack on the court or show they were overreaching and were telling fibs.

      The confirmation they were incompetent is already in. Ne need to shit in their own nest. They do that well enough anyway.

    • Against the Man says:

      01:54pm | 02/09/11

      Yes. She is no Prime Minister.

      The ALP have screwed up again…..........same old Labor smile

    • Rose says:

      08:27pm | 02/09/11

      I think you’ll find she is. Looks like you’re the one who’s screwed up again.

    • Against the Man says:

      09:12pm | 02/09/11

      Oh poor Rose, need to wake up and figure out what the majority of Australians have - Gillard is a fake PM who is utterly useless smile

      ps: Check out the internet and newspolls - even Stephen Smith is beating her in the preferred PM polls by leaps and bounds HaHaHaHaHaHa

    • Rose says:

      10:33pm | 02/09/11

      First you say she’s not a Prime Minister, and then you say she is. You really have screwed up again, again.

    • Against the Man says:

      01:07pm | 03/09/11

      Guess Rose isn’t too good with her reading.

      Tell me when PM = fake PM ok?    smile

      Also good to know that at least you agree that your pathetic view is a minority one, smile

      Why are all the ALP supporters uneducated and slow?

    • Rose says:

      03:41pm | 03/09/11

      Here’s a hint.

      PM

      Can you screw up yet again ?

    • Gary Barber says:

      12:38pm | 02/09/11

      Gillard I am a 4th generation Labor Supporter, I will be the first to sign or make any suggestions that politicians wages should reflect there Ability, now if this was the case you would owe the Australian Tax payer more than double the Deficit!! I would like too add you will be the last Labor Rep I will Ever vote for, you and the rest of your crew can rent a leaky ship and allow the Navy too use it as target practice, you have “DESTROYED” a country I use too call home, with Taxes and stupidity above and beyond the means of average Australians, thanks for “NOTHING” I disliked my can of Furniture polish but i would have Howard back in a heart beat!!!

    • Powerzone says:

      12:39pm | 02/09/11

      What Gillard need to do is make just ONE policy work quickly and effectively.

      What is it? Withdraw our troops from Afghanistan…. now !

    • Zac says:

      01:08pm | 02/09/11

      And the boats would stop immidiately, our borders will be as safe as the Howardian era and the some of the resident Muslims who plot against Australia will believe in democracy and turn patriotic…... Are you part of the team that advices the first female prime minister of this country? Take care when you hug that tree.

    • Ryan Melrose says:

      12:43pm | 02/09/11

      To save Labor, they need to forfeit this term and go to the polls and begin rebuilding with the public. The truth is really they probably now wished they lost the last election. That would have been the best outcome.

    • Barry says:

      01:16pm | 02/09/11

      I agree, Labor may loose however they will be able to rebuild in oposition.  I even think that Julia would go down in history (eventually) as a martyr for the Labour party if she fell on her sword.

    • King says:

      12:47pm | 02/09/11

      The obvious answer is for us to picket and protest directly to the independants and hold them accountable for prolonging the disaster, an early election could save Austaralia Billions in boat people expenditure and careless spending by the current government. Think of this, an early election could allow us to build a new hospital in Wilkie’s electrate and we taxpayers could still be ahead.

    • Joel B1 says:

      01:20pm | 02/09/11

      Wilkie doesn’t respond to civil email from people in his electorate.

      I wrote that I was “disappointed” in his ill-considered support for a CO2 tax when he made no mention of it at all in his election bid but now says he supported one all along.

      No response. He’s gone all huffy.

    • nossy says:

      03:13pm | 02/09/11

      @Joel B1   well I can see why you Libs are in Opposition Joely - Wilkie is your best bet for a change of government - if you had listened to his interview a week or so ago he said he is giving the government till May to get the Pokie legislation though and if not he is walking - not one more day will he give Gillard he said!  Theres a tip for the “brains trust” of the Liberal Party!

    • Mark Liebowitz says:

      12:47pm | 02/09/11

      Peter Costello always struck me as a decent man.  From a decent family it seems - heart AND sense.  I met him once in a pub and he said “Nobody would vote for me mate.”  He smiled just a little, when I said “You’d be surprised.”  That was before the nocturnal back-stabbing slaughter of the man that led Labor to electoral victory. 

      I have never liked the libs much, but this lot? 

      As for Abbot, that he is not much a thesbian (with just the right comment and “ACT”, at the right time) is of less consequence than “could he lead a team to properly govern the country?”. 

      Such a government can get us OUT OF THIS MESS and hopefully with a functioning economy WITHOUT a tax that supposedly will reduce ‘CARBON!  When you hand the gains back to the masses, I suspect that will INCREASE carbon emissions!

      I think Abbotman might be able to do that, better yet Turnbull or Costello, though!  Johnny can stay retired if that’s OK with y’all.

      The press and others should be less concerned with their peurile “budgie smugglers” quips and perhaps be more with people smugglers, but then few seem to have much sense of proportion if history is a guide.

    • Miles says:

      12:48pm | 02/09/11

      It shouldn’t be a question of ‘Should Gillard go?’ as opposed to ‘Should the Labor party go?’.  The figurehead of the party means nothing when the same power brokers and factions are ever-present behind the scenes.  A political party is far more than just the leader.  The politically ignorant australian public need to start taking notice of such things.

    • Lee Mazengarb says:

      12:51pm | 02/09/11

      Yep, give her the boot. I’ll replace her in labor. Is easy to fix the mess. Simple. No carbon pricing. No off shore processing. Get control of basic goods n service n reduce the increases. Is really quite simple n easy to do. Sure some big elitists n politicians may be unhappy but thats it, the population will be happy. I’ll do it.

    • Williarrmo says:

      12:51pm | 02/09/11

      @Peter from the bush - your comparing a woman who made tough politcal decisions with a woman that has screwed everything she touches, without any relevant qualifcations, i’m embarassed to have her as a leader.
      you have no basis for saying the lib’s would put us in recession in 6 weeks, if you check the historical records libs ALWAYS run a leaner and cheaper government, i guess they have to due to labor muppets leaving them with so much debt everytime they get in…. only to hear the screams of labor supporters, why didn’t they invest in infrastructure, the answer quite simply is that labor spend all of the publics money on nothing, nothing but waste, then the libs have to save again to get us out of the red.
      you’re analysis couldn’t be further from the truth, you need to open your eyes!

    • Charlie of former Beaudesert Shire says:

      01:00pm | 02/09/11

      Julia or a new leader of the Labor party should back down on the carbon tax.  Call the bluff of the greens and independents.  They are equally on the nose with the electorate and would not withdraw their support, to do so would mean they would all be turfed out along with Labor

    • Dann Da Mann says:

      01:01pm | 02/09/11

      She should resign but she is so very Arrogant,so Obstinate and Ignorant and she never ever listens to anyone except her boss Bob Brown. She is not a leader,she does not know how to and can’t, with independants,greens etc. making demands with her.
      There should be NO way bill shorten should become leader as he is the main one that shafted kevin rudd and his ma in law is the GG which makes it a Conflict of Interest ,I wouldn’t even buy a car off him.Actually there is no one to replace her as there is much too much baggage,which means swan,shorten,albanese,thomson,wong,bowen would have to GO to make the labor party look a slight bit new(not respectable) ,but,with howes and and abib calling the shots nothing will change especially if car salesman shorten is the top dog. Nah,there is positively not one trustworthy person in the federal Labor party worth being leader and with juliar still the front person it will drag labor to oblivion and to think I have always been alabor voter until shorten,gillard,arbib and howes took away our democracy by shafting rudd when it is the VOTERS godgiven right to vote out our PM which we will come election time

    • casba says:

      01:03pm | 02/09/11

      @Peter from the Bush.

      Peter, I think you should head back to the bush, and quickly. Clearly the polluted air of the big smoke has addled your brain and, vicariously, your judgment!

    • Aitch B says:

      01:04pm | 02/09/11

      Poor girl…...

      She pulled back the curtains to let the sunshine in and it’s been cloudy and pissing with rain ever since!!

    • laurie says:

      01:08pm | 02/09/11

      Surely Julia wont quit .  She is sending many bank benchers to oblivion. She is sending Tony Abbott to the Lodge. She is putting manufacturing under threat. She is kowtowing to the greens.  We need Julia to help us change the government. Please encourage her to stay.
      .

    • David F. Potter says:

      01:13pm | 02/09/11

      I think Julia should stay put & continue doing the job she is doing for all Australian’s, there is nobody better to be PM & most certainly not Tony Abbott, this guy is a moron in my opinion!! Just hang in there Julia & may GOD Bless you for what you have acheived thus far, ‘Jack’ (David)

    • unspecified says:

      01:45pm | 02/09/11

      Shame, 80% of australians disagree with you

    • Joe says:

      02:34pm | 02/09/11

      David you may believe in GOD and pray for Julia but not her though. She doesn’t believe in GOD and only believe in herself to stay in power. This government is a total mess, a wrecking train going downhill fast.

    • Say Go to the UNHCR says:

      01:15pm | 02/09/11

      It’s the archaic UNHCR Convention which should GO.  Instead of being blackmailed by the UN, we should have our own Conventnion and take back our borders.

    • peppy says:

      01:19pm | 02/09/11

      peter from the bush—-your an idiot—-she must resign

    • Jason says:

      01:25pm | 02/09/11

      This government is a FAIL.  Julia has no respect from the population - such that even the dyed in the wool ALP supporters talk more about Tony Abbott than the great successes of their own party.  For all his failings, Abbott has displayed leadership and purpose in his role, Gillard just seems underhanded and full of BS.

      You know you’ve lost the game when the focus is on how the opposition is playing more than your own form.

      I hope we can get them out sooner - the total mess in Tasmania is a clear example of where a Green/ALP government will lead us.

    • jim heath says:

      01:31pm | 02/09/11

      No matter what side of the political fence you sit the most fundamental point has been missed. The Labor Party went to the election with a policy of no Carbon Tax. The public voted according to their beliefs either for or against the policy. This is how DEMOCRACY works. Then the prime Minister changed her mind about the policy. There is nothing wrong with changing your mind, in fact if you never change your mind you just confirm you have never leant anything. The problem is by her changing HER MIND,  she CHANGED MY MIND FOR ME. This is DICTATORSHIP.  The democratic process has been usurped by this government and for that reason alone they MUST BE REMOVED. Thousands of our predecessors’ died for this right to democracy, how journalist missed this abomination of a situation astounds me.  Anyone with an ounce of political wit should be outraged, no matter of which political persuasion they stand.

    • Jennifer G. says:

      02:31pm | 02/09/11

      Hear, hear! This Government is operating as a Dictatorship and must be stopped.

    • Bobby says:

      08:38pm | 02/09/11

      @Jim

      You have no understanding of democracy whatsoever.

      You don’t even know the difference between an election and a referendum.

      The democratic process has not been usurped by this government.

      The democratic process would only be usurped if the government were “REMOVED”, as you say they, “MUST BE”.

      By whom? Dictator Jim? Go and get an education.

    • CA says:

      01:31pm | 02/09/11

      She is lucky she does n t work in Private Enterprise.
      If she did she would have been sacked long ago given the fact that she has failed in everything that she and her lot have tried.
      If the same standards were set for our Politiocal Masters as is set in business then she would be long gone
      On top of that the failures have been very very costly to the Country
      Unfortunately we the voters have no say in getting rid her until the next election .

    • Christopher Moore says:

      01:34pm | 02/09/11

      After robbing Australia’s elected representatives of a conscience vote in the whole live animal export horror, she became just a simple tyrant and the sooner she goes the sooner we can get back to our (flawed) democrasy.

    • averill says:

      02:00pm | 02/09/11

      Thats not likely to happen ! If this Government goes so do their jobs. These little piggies will not be quick to get their snouts out in a hurry.

    • Jamie says:

      01:42pm | 02/09/11

      Should she go?  Who cares, lets have an election and kick the entire Labour & Greens to the curb I say.

      No matter if you like Abbot or not, they have an economic background and record that stands for itself!  We need to fix our economy and only liberals with no distractions can do it.

      Labour is incompitent to say the least.  Rudd demanded authority, they booted him for it, no Gillards problem is she has none?  Incompitent!

    • Spelling Nazi says:

      02:50pm | 02/09/11

      I will, however, bet my bottom dollar that Julia Gillard knows how to spell.

      It’s “incompetent”. Not “imcompitent”. Oh, the irony!

    • Joel B1 says:

      06:15pm | 02/09/11

      Oh dear.

      “hyperbowl” much?

    • Soames says:

      01:44pm | 02/09/11

      “As an aside, it seems crazy that through their actions some of these independents continue to act in a manner which is only making the Government less popular.”  Really Penbo,  I thought the government was very popular. I can’t think of anyone who doesn’t know of the current government, the mob who are in charge of this mostly volcanic rock pile, pebbled expanse with spinifex dotted sand dune, with a mob of slightly advanced homosapiens mostly bunched together in conflict in costal areas.  Unless of course, the Independant’s have been secretly witholding Wikileaks revelations, FBI, ONA, ASIO, undisclosed files, LNP, LPG, NPA, conspiracy theories of cover-up as to the existence of a Labor Party, perhaps all of which is a figment of the public imagination?

    • Elias says:

      01:51pm | 02/09/11

      There all so addicted to power its not funny, they kind of remind me of the demagogues in the middle-east. At the end of the day the GG is to blame for keeping this farse going. Such a disaster, hell the fact people are protesting, somethign rare! Is a sign of the times!

    • Leaderless says:

      01:52pm | 02/09/11

      I am afraid that Federal Labor has through overpromising and under-delivering set themselves up as the no-can-do government. Their form is on the table from pink batts to live cattle trade to now the fiasco of Timor solution…sorry Malaysian solution….sorry no solution.

      Labor need to take a deep breath, take stock, stop playing politics as they are sunk come next election and just do something constructive, measureable and sustainable versus sound bites and botched policy.

    • Scott says:

      01:53pm | 02/09/11

      Time for the Queen to step in and call an election on behalf of the people.

    • James says:

      01:59pm | 02/09/11

      As bad as people think Julia Gillard is, I promise you Tony Abbott will be worse.  People should listen to the warning Tony Windsor is trying to get out about Abbott, he wants power for power’s sake, he does not have the best interests of the nation at heart.

      People wishing anyone but Gillard, be careful what you wish for because you will regret voting Abbott in from day one.

    • david8 says:

      02:20pm | 02/09/11

      It’s not just Gillard James, it’s the Labor minority Government that stinks.
      Check the 2 p/p and the primary polls, forget which leader is better.
      A Coalition Government can’t be any worse than we are witnessing, if it were then the GG would definitely step in. So don’t panic.

    • Ian1 says:

      02:28pm | 02/09/11

      Who listens to Tony Windsor?  His electorate certainly don’t.  Why would you James?

      People already regret voting for Gillard.

    • JD says:

      02:30pm | 02/09/11

      Considering he’s the only alternative, what are you basing your facts on? No government has ever done as badly as Julia and Friends. The Polls australia wide suggest that were an election to happen today, the swinging would be so violent, australia will move 12 miles to the west.

      As it stands, my cup of cold coffee would do a better job than the current government, at least it knows its time has come, and is due to be flushed down the sink!

    • James says:

      02:43pm | 02/09/11

      I think for myself, I have not heard one credible idea comming out of the mouth of Tony Abbott, as far as I am concerned he is worse than an unknown quantity.

      His opinion changes depending on who he is talking to, his policies (the few he has announced) sound like snap judgements, he ignores government advisers, he is altogether arrogant and irratic, you would have to be crazy to give someone like that a chance at being PM.

    • Simon says:

      02:50pm | 02/09/11

      First comment I finally agree with. Yes the Govt have made mistakes, however, although the Opposition’s job is to oppose, they need to put themselves forward as an ‘alternative’ Government regardless of the electoral cycle. There have been little policy announcements, funding announcements, or detail on costings on how they will roll back some of Labor’s policies. If Labor change leaders (again), I would not vote for them, however, if Turnbull was still leader of the Coalition, then then that would be enticing. The PM has done a better job than just what the editorials say.

      Are Australian’s becoming too selfish with what we have? Perhaps!
      Are we really ‘worse off’ regardless of colour of Government? No
      Do Australian’s actually understand the impact of the CO2 tax? I doubt it!

    • Miles says:

      03:26pm | 02/09/11

      “The Polls australia wide suggest that were an election to happen today, the swinging would be so violent, australia will move 12 miles to the west.”

      That’s gold - love it JD!

    • Mick says:

      02:00pm | 02/09/11

      If only wishing made it so

    • Nikki Heat says:

      02:05pm | 02/09/11

      “No No No No no no !”
      Philip Ronald Gould
      August 2011

    • Ronald Cochrane says:

      02:10pm | 02/09/11

      Yesd get rid of the the lot

    • Nikki Heat says:

      02:10pm | 02/09/11

      Your comment:Go where? Overseas?
      Should Abbott go, also?

    • LeekyChicken says:

      02:12pm | 02/09/11

      She should stay.

      It would guarantee Liberals the next election. Then again, the policies produced are by the party, not solely the face of the ALP.

      Labor only won in ‘07 because the public agreed it was time for change. Since being voted in, not a lot has happened. Keep her in and let the Liberals throw a few policies together.

      Winning.

    • Steve says:

      02:13pm | 02/09/11

      The question of the ALP leadership needs to be looked at without emption and in a tactical way.

      It makes no sense for the ALP to burn another leader between now and the next election. Far better for Gillard to take them to the next election. Assuming they lose that election then gillard will have to fall on her sword and give the new leader claer air.

      Perhaps 2 terms back in opposition will be sufficient. I am a Liberal person but I feel the nation will tire of Abbott after 2 terms.

      There is no doubt that our national interest would be best serve with a fresh election based on a well considered platform resulting in a Govt with a clear mamndate. This bloody hung parliament is not productive or in the national interest.

      The independants still hold the key. If they act in the national interest they will pull the plug on this Govt. If they act in their own interest they will continue to support gillard to the end.

    • Mike says:

      02:19pm | 02/09/11

      Just give us what we really want, another election so we can get rid of Gillard, her Labor cronies and Nazi Bob Brown.

    • Jay says:

      02:19pm | 02/09/11

      To quote Cromwell:
      You have sat here for too long for any
      good you are doing. Depart, I say, and
      let us have done with you. In the name
      of God, go! ”

    • Occam's Blunt Razor says:

      02:20pm | 02/09/11

      Noooo - this is too much fun.

      Please stay PM - the longer you do the more it is like NSW MkII.

    • John Ooi says:

      02:22pm | 02/09/11

      I think it is ALP gone mad. It is freedom gone mad. Individualism gone so far that very many believe they should run the country.

    • Joe says:

      02:25pm | 02/09/11

      Gillard had her chance. She can’t run the country and fails badly in her first year as PM. Game over. Send her to the sin bin. It ‘s Tony Abbot chance now. Australia is so proud of its fair and square principle. Let the new game begins.

    • Kay says:

      08:44pm | 02/09/11

      Google “Westminster system of democracy”.

    • Sony B Goode says:

      02:29pm | 02/09/11

      komrade gillard might make a good public servant, but she can’t lead for shit

    • Pom says:

      02:37pm | 02/09/11

      Isn’t there something in the GG’s mandate that says she can put a government out of its misery for the greater good? If not, there bloody well should be.

      But at least Julia’s finaly been honest and admitted she’s “going nowhere”.

      Indeed.

    • Ryan says:

      04:04pm | 02/09/11

      @Pom

      I totally agree. Then we could have got rid of Howard on day one.

    • megan hunt says:

      02:37pm | 02/09/11

      Julia Gillard is Julia Bishop without “what I call bullshit” .
      Julia Gillard is perfection with excellence in mind, beauty and personality.
      Julia Gillard should the Prim Minister of the entire World and head of a Worldwide Parliament ! Just abolish the Liberal NationalCoalition and the mass media! They can go to buggery

    • Tania says:

      02:37pm | 02/09/11

      No she shouldn’t, why because labour is labour we have gone from bad to worse with Rudd and Julia.  I don’t know how she sleeps at night.  The decision should be up to the public, we should go to the polls, NOW!!!  Anyone else to make such mistakes and lie in their job would be sacked, why should politicians be any different.  Scares me to think we have 2 more years of labour.  I hope the labour voters have woken up!

    • paulh says:

      02:40pm | 02/09/11

      This gov had no credibility from day one,Ms Gillards buying of the independents was not good negotiation it was a blatant waste of money.Oakshott request for a congestion tax is laughable, with no new roads and existing roads fully congested in EVERY major city at peak times,this clown expects us to accept that one lane will be taken off us (causing even more congestion) and we will happily pay extra to use the one lane now called a congestion lane, even though we have already paid rates,rego,tax etc this moron wants even more out of us but with no gain for us.
      Gillard and Labor are finished,they spent 11 years in opposition and promised us the change we needed, yet here we are record debts,massive economical problems, poor policies,poorly implemented policies, massive waste and constant spin and lies.They have more than proved their inability to be implement policies.They do NOT learn from their mistakes, this is now all about Labor and staying in power,Australia and the average working family is of no consequance.

    • Brad says:

      07:25pm | 02/09/11

      Don’t worry to much about Oakshatt, he’s history.

    • Shinsengumi says:

      02:43pm | 02/09/11

      “Gillard not going anywhere”... “Labor sticking with Julia”... “No Leadership contest any time soon”  HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

      Any time you read denials, you know it IS going on.  The simple fact Labor has to issue denials means it’s happening.  Just like Rudd when he got toppled - headlines said he was safe, Labor supported him, there would be no leadership change then - “oh!  oh?  What’s this thing sticking out of my back…?”

    • megan hunt says:

      02:44pm | 02/09/11

      Julia Gillard will be Prime Minister for the next 20 years and Labor will be the Australian federal Government for the next 30 years !
      Julia Gillard has a better body, a better mind, and a better personality than Julia Bishop!

    • Paul C says:

      03:24pm | 02/09/11

      2.44 is a bit early to be hitting the grog Megan…...............

    • megan hunt says:

      02:44pm | 02/09/11

      Julia Gillard will be Prime Minister for the next 20 years and Labor will be the Australian federal Government for the next 30 years !
      Julia Gillard has a better body, a better mind, and a better personality than Julia Bishop!

    • Mr Mackie says:

      03:07pm | 02/09/11

      Drugs are bad mmmmkay

    • hot tub political machine says:

      03:27pm | 02/09/11

      Now Ian while I think megan is plain wrong, how do you think that’s going to raise the standard?

      I think you’ve just been succesfully trolled.

    • TomTom says:

      02:45pm | 02/09/11

      To those that hate Tony Abbott’s guts, nossy and Co.

      In their eyes Tony Abbott is the cause of Gillard Labor’s downfall and therefore should begin taking depressive tablets now. Like it or not he is going to be our next PM. It will be for a very long time so as to give the Labor Party plenty of time to rectify the damage created by the faceless men and the back stabbing Gillard.

      Sometime before the next elections Gillard will be axed. The Labor Party will have to do it if they want to survive. No doubt they are a rotten to the core government and Gillard is only there to save face. The problem the Labor party has is who is prepared to take the poisonous chalice after Gillard?

      I think that Jason Clare should be the one. He is young and the Labor Party will have many years to have him grow into the job when once again we have a Labor PM.

    • nossy says:

      03:06pm | 02/09/11

      @TomTom hey break it down young Tommy! I love Tones fella. its just that he is way out of his league ever trying to be PM! No Tones is best suited to the School P&C or such but as PM hey fella Australia doesnt deserve that - hello 1930,s!

    • james says:

      02:46pm | 02/09/11

      the worst government since whitlam had to be sacked

    • Joan says:

      08:48pm | 02/09/11

      @James

      It was. When Rudd defeated Howard in 2007.

    • Bob says:

      02:40pm | 03/09/11

      @Joan - You’ve got your chronology wrong. That’s when the worst government since Whitlam was employed.

    • Joan says:

      03:33pm | 03/09/11

      No. That was when they were defeated. And the Whitlam Government was a great government, by the way.

    • Bob says:

      11:12am | 04/09/11

      @Joan - Really? Polls seem to indicate otherwise.

      And I get it. The Whitlam govt was a great one in the same sense that the current govt is a great one wink

      Kind of like how Mugabe is an economic genius in the same sense that Mao was.

      Obviously I wasn’t around then, but how many governments have been dismissed by the GG they selected? You can go on about Howard losing his marginal seat all you want (At her current rate, Gillard seems set to lose her extremely safe seat. As of July, she’d gone from 64% of the primary vote to 46% - And the news has been incredibly bad since then) but this was them being declared unfit by the man he selected.

      While we’re on the subject, how many first term PM’s have been knifed by their own party? And how many first term governments have come as close to losing an election as the Gillard government has?

      So taking all this into account, I think it can be safely argued that my chronology is the correct one. In 2007, the worst government since the government that got sacked by the GG it selected was employed.

    • Joan says:

      01:00pm | 04/09/11

      @Bob

      You think wrong. You need to spend less time looking at what polls seem to indicate and more time studying history.

    • Martin says:

      02:44pm | 04/09/11

      @Joan, what part of history has Bob got wrong? Please try to stay away from the usual Labor stand bys of abuse and bullshitting, please stick with the facts, otherwise you run the risk of looking like a complete twit. At the moment your are only 3/4 of the way there.

    • Joan says:

      07:51pm | 04/09/11

      @Martin

      What part has he got right? Sorry to see you couldn’t stay away from the usual Coalition stand bys of abuse and bullshitting. You know how that makes you look.

    • jdm says:

      02:46pm | 02/09/11

      So much for Democracy hey guys?

    • Robert says:

      02:49pm | 02/09/11

      I wish we had the “election Primaries” like the yanks have - where the people get to vote and choose who is on the ballot for the general (or “real”) election- not the party. Otherwise here, we just have to sit back and wait to see what turd the parties will put forward. I’m sick of career politicians - it’s time to get someone from the private sector. Give me the common man’s common sense over these poli-sci uni-wanker, life long pollies any day.

    • ted says:

      02:49pm | 02/09/11

      I cannot understand how people think Rudd & Gillard were ever going to be any good.

      Rudd has had his head in the public trough as a diplomat his whole….for pete’s sake he doesn’t even run his family budget…..

      Gillard has never run anything…..

      If the GG was not a Labor stooge, she would dissolve parliament….

    • nossy says:

      02:51pm | 02/09/11

      What a bugger right wingers! Another day and no election in sight, no leadership changes on the horizon and no one charged with anything! hahahahahhhhhahahah

    • Steve says:

      03:45pm | 02/09/11

      Your timing is off Nossy. I am a Liberal supporter and am having a ball. The next 2 years can’t go slow enough although when you are having so much fun time does go quick.

      It reminds me of the 1992 grand final. With 15 minutes to go the Eagles were unassailable. Even though i was looking forward to the beer i was so happy on my seat amongst the Geelong supporters I didn’t want the game to end.

      The patriot in me says lets go to the polls in the national interest but I just don’t want the hilarity to stop.

      You still seem to be enjoying yourself Nossy so it is a win win all over.

      As far as criminal charges being laid well the Libs want that delayed as long as possible. Nossy, can’t you see that as soon as charges are laid the matter disappears from the media except for the reporting of bare facts. The problem is fixed for ALP because the matter is before the courts once charges are laid.

      The progress through the courts just has to be delayed until the next election and CT will be irrelevant because he aint getting preselection.Some more money from NSW ALP to the lawyers can slow it down.

      I would not be surprised if the ALP went to the HSU to get the charges laid.  Well thats my guess anyway. Maybe you are sweeter and purer than me if you couldn’t see that Nossy.

      Why would the Libs want the leadership changed. The Libs can’t lose while Gillard is the leader. Have a think about it Nossy.

    • stevem says:

      03:58pm | 02/09/11

      Nossy, your comments say it all. After a record swing against Howard Labor finally got its day in the sun to implement its grand vision.

      After a scant four years the greatest achievement you can celebrate is that nobody in the government has been arrested!

    • nossy says:

      04:21pm | 02/09/11

      @Steve - well nossy has clean bowled you young Stevey middle stump. I dont vote Labor - heres my man - we loyal QLDers stick together!
      http://www.ausparty.org.au/

    • Steve says:

      05:03pm | 02/09/11

      “It’s not my fault I voted Ausparty at the last election.” “Oh yeah they’re a new party”

      “what I really mean is that this week my man crush is on Bob but don’t tell Malcolm”

      I suggest you develop a taste for budgie smugglers

    • Megan Hunt says:

      02:52pm | 02/09/11

      Alternative ALP Prime Ministers? Nicola Roxon or Kate Ellis.
      Remember , only females are now eligible to be PM this century!
      Where possible this century,The PM should always be female this century!

    • Joe - CBR says:

      03:21pm | 02/09/11

      Hey, Megan you forgot Penny Wong ! Penny, her partner and their new born IVF baby will be the best example of Australian modern and perfect family. Penny will be the next PM for Australia. She got the Asian blood too. There you go mobs.

    • Helena says:

      02:54pm | 02/09/11

      NO COMMENT. Let us not forget David Pentherby was a glowing supporter of Malcom Fox.  That says it all for me.

    • DickJ says:

      03:05pm | 02/09/11

      Where is Choongy??

    • Joe - CBR says:

      03:10pm | 02/09/11

      We all pray that “God helps Australia”. In a sense, if we ask for the devine intervention we can believe that God will grant the Mad monk’s prayer; meanwhile the other is an atheist so it is so obvious.

    • James says:

      03:12pm | 02/09/11

      Julia Gillard to Tony Abbott, out of the frying pan into the fire.

    • TomTom says:

      03:38pm | 02/09/11

      James

      People like yourself would never be happy unless we have someone like Wilkie, Brown, Windsor or Oakeshott running amok as our PM. Thank God for the two major parties where the party members get to choose their leaders. As for the Labor Party it is the faceless men, union thugs.

    • James says:

      03:56pm | 02/09/11

      Don’t be too naive both Major parties are beholden to factional interests and power brokers.  Bob Katter is right when he says it is Woolies and Coles, Lab and Lib. 

      The only difference between the two I can see, is that Labour has things costed by treasury and listens to its advisors. Abbott, on the other hand, makes policy on the fly without proper costing.  To me is is a matter of choosing the least worst option and that ain’t Abbott.

    • Bob says:

      02:38pm | 03/09/11

      One major difference between Liberals and Labor is that Liberals know how to run an economy, Labor doesn’t. You can say that a heap of other bollocks is more important, but all that other bollocks costs money. No money, no other nice-sounding bollocks. No money, no universal education. No money, no universal healthcare. No money, no roads. No money, no police. No money… Look at Greece.

    • James says:

      01:55pm | 06/09/11

      Bob you are kidding yourself if you think that is true, any idiot can cut spending in the short term, that is not exactly visionary economic management.

    • Ella says:

      03:23pm | 02/09/11

      Not a chance. Perhaps you should. What sort of a coward runs when things feel bleak? Not Gillard, she will see through her plans and let the people decide in 2 years.

      By the way Mr Abbott, don’t use other people’s names to write items like this.

    • No Carbon Tax. says:

      03:26pm | 02/09/11

      If Julia Gillard can say the 6-1 vote against her imigration policy was because the judges do not know the law but she does, she is suffering from meglomania, but we already knew this. Yes she should go. If she does not go we will dump her and her cronies like hot potato’s next election. Thats an Iron Clad guarantee.

    • dr deen says:

      03:34pm | 02/09/11

      VOTE 1 PEDRO
      (caps are required for this comment)

    • No Carbon Tax. says:

      03:47pm | 02/09/11

      Ella says:03:23pm | 02/09/11

      Not a chance. Perhaps you should. What sort of a coward runs when things feel bleak? Not Gillard, she will see through her plans and let the people decide in 2 years.

      Ella, She was elected because she said there would be No carbon tax under a government she leads. And Wayne Swan agreed with her. Yes we will decide in two years and she and her party of cronies will be gone. I cannot stand people, especially politicians who tell lies. Signed, No Carbon Tax, Coal Miner, X Labor Voter forever.

    • susana Gordin says:

      03:47pm | 02/09/11

      YES!!! Julia “the incompetent” together with the Labor party should go…try to conquer the moon, may be Julia’s lies and ridicule policies will work over there!!!!!

    • Tim G says:

      04:00pm | 02/09/11

      She’s as good as gone! I hear there’s a ‘Downfall’ video nearing completion as we speak!!

    • Ben says:

      04:03pm | 02/09/11

      australia has the best education system in the world (shared top spot with NZ, denmark and norway, almost the best quality of life in the world (very close 2nd place to norway), the lowest unemployment in the world with the exception of south korea and switzerland, and some of the lowest interest rates seen in decades (it was twice as high in 08, 01, 96, and much higher before 92)... what exactly is the present government doing wrong? i’ve only ever voted liberal, but the fact is that australia is not only in the best state it’s ever been, but it’s the best country in the world in any measure anyone could choose!

      maybe people just don’t like julia? but so what? like her or not, the country’s doing great. get over your egos people, lest they lead you to vote in something who’ll make changes and ruin everything.

    • Richard says:

      08:51pm | 02/09/11

      Comment of the day. Take a bow, Ben.

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      10:18pm | 02/09/11

      What’s logic doing in a Punch post? We have an infiltrator here, someone who isn’t a paid up LNP / ALP / Greens fanboy or fangirl. Where’s the Punch Police when you need them?

    • John the Zombie says:

      11:55pm | 02/09/11

      Do you not think that is due to two things. 1). John Howards economic reforms and 2). Chinas thurst for minerals.

      If we are in such good shape then why are we now hearing on a constent basis of job loses and strikes.

    • Bob says:

      02:34pm | 03/09/11

      Ben: We were also within a scratch of the top on the HDI in 2007. Our high ranking is no thanks to Gillard. What you’re saying in Gillard’s defense is that in the last year, she hasn’t managed to turn our country into a complete basket case. If any PM should take a bow for our position on the HDI, it’s Howard. Not Gillard. However, are you saying that the path of reckless spending and poorly thought out policy isn’t a path that leads to disaster?

    • Richard says:

      10:53pm | 03/09/11

      That is funny, Bob. You’re claiming that the current situation, which your cohorts squeal daily is so disastrous, has nothing to do with Labor’s governance of the last 4 years, and is actually Howard’s fault. They won’t be pleased.

    • Bob says:

      12:46pm | 04/09/11

      Richard: Our top HDI ranking is thanks to Howard and co. The path we are on to a messed up economy is the path of Rudd and Gillard. I’d ask you to put more effort into reading comprehension, but that’s the path that loses Labor voters and thanks to their actions, they need every vote they can get.

    • Richard says:

      01:24pm | 04/09/11

      @Bob

      You are so funny.

      Our great economy is Howard’s fault.

      Our terrible economy is Gillard’s fault.

      Careful you don’t split your daks trying to walk both sides of the street.

    • Robert says:

      04:04pm | 02/09/11

      To Anne 71 You must surely be from another planet. This country needs Gillard mismanagement and lies like it needs a $71 Billion carbon Tax to pay for her and Swanees stuff ups. Have you thought about being an asylum seeker to gain illegal status. You couldn’t possibly be from this country to have such an uninformed viewpoint.

    • Oldenbutnowiser says:

      04:05pm | 02/09/11

      Julia gillards government is the worst in history? The worst since Whitlams? Depends on how you define worst, or more perhaps accutately, where your tribal loyalties lie. Mcmahon and Gorton were pretty inept. Whitlams government was truly awful, but its awfulness was a quantum leap above Juilia’s. Fraser? Left office with an combined unemployment and inflation rate in approaching 20 %, interest rates that equalled or exceeded the worst of the Hawke/ Keating years and a huge budgetary black hole to boot (and guess who was his chief beancounter). Keating who gave us the recession we had to have? Well, say no more. This is not to say that the Gillard government is competent, rather, saying that this is the worst government in Australias history is highly questionable at best,  tribal hyperbole at worst and ultimately distracts the electorate from an honest appraisal of the causes of the angst felt in the community and the consequences of such anger. If you really want to vent your spleen against how your living standards have fallen incompared to what you had a generation ago (or if you are not old enough to remember, what your parents enjoyed) direct it to the neo liberal philosphy that both parties have embraced to varying degrees ( the Conservatises more than the ALP) that has seen an unprecedented income transfer in modern history- from the many to the rich. Then ask yourself, what party practises that fundamentalist belief with the greater vigour, and what can expect if you allow them to practice their beliefs on you.

    • seduxen says:

      04:06pm | 02/09/11

      Yes! Yesterday. Lock up the Lodge, put the key under the foot mat - sign the Valuables List! Set the alarm and go. Don’t let the door hit you, where the Good Lord split you!

    • seduxen says:

      04:10pm | 02/09/11

      I don’t think it is too much off topic. I’ve just received this little poem in my email yesterday. Cute, but unfortunately I can not take credit for it…

      National Anthem for the year 2012
      Australians all let us revolt,
      For we are carbon free;
      We’ve iron ore and coal and more,
      But live in poverty;
      Our land abounds in Nature’s gifts,
      To use we do not dare;
      In history’s page, we’re now stone age
      What chance Australia fair?
      In worried strains then let us ask,
      “What chance Australia fair?”

      Spot on and sad…

    • Statically Determinate says:

      04:11pm | 02/09/11

      I typically vote one way, but have seen a slight cowardice in the way the two major parties run these days. They are essentially the same government in terms of policies because neither want to go hard with an issue for fear of it being unpopular. It comes down to leadership and economic management these days.

      If my party had been elected for a second swing, especially under the circumstances in which that government was formed, and this was the debacle that had ensued I would whole-heartedly ask for that person and the party to be accountable for the failure. I am fairly sure that is how MP’s lose and gain seats on election night.

      It doesn’t make sense to simply “back your team” for the sake of it in these situations.

    • nossy says:

      04:26pm | 02/09/11

      Forget Gillard and Abbott - both bloody no hopers - heres the man I will be voting for - a man with integrity and vision - Bob Katter!
      http://www.ausparty.org.au/

    • We'redoomed says:

      05:37pm | 02/09/11

      Now that is worth a really good look nossy. I heard about it some time ago and nothing since. On first glance, the only concern I have is the seemingly pro immigration/population position. Environmentally, socially, economically we are well and truly full.

    • Ross says:

      04:29pm | 02/09/11

      Get rid of this waste of space, useless and incompetent Prime Minister.  I am sure it won’t be lost on the world, that she went “out” in a fitting way for a back stabbing harlot.

    • Turn Bull says:

      04:32pm | 02/09/11

      Out of the Julia’s red frying pan into the fire of Abbott’s purgatory.  I’d rather have the bull in the china shop if I had my turn to vote all over again.

    • Chris says:

      04:33pm | 02/09/11

      Amazing that many of the people commenting on here don’t even see what’s going on in the workplace and therfore our lives! Unions taking Qantas to the wall, now trying with Toyota- hello, does not Australian car manufacturing, plus many other industries,  already have an unfortunately limited future?
      And these same unfortunates will support a Labor government that allows this, spoken or not, to not give us a better future?
      Let the people have their voice and the dollar go down, to allow big and small businesses a chance to prosper or not, supported by a government and dollar that allows it, without the prospect of shortsighted union hags and minority fringes that impact our lives in more ways than the same fools believe.
      Any party to step up to that?

    • Scattercat says:

      04:42pm | 02/09/11

      i am reminded of a statement made by an incoming President in the USA, A Government’s First Priority is to Protect the People Not to run their Lives. We are constantly told this or that will happen without being able to have a say apart from venting our ire in blogs like this. To me Ms Gillard is a desperate woman. Desperate to hold onto the power the leadership gives her and as she is the first female PM we have had she must prove she is stronger than the rest.She is arrogant in the extreme with the way she will not release anything of note that we the voters should rightly be informed about.Her manner of governance is bordering on dictatorship.I have been a lifelong Labor voter but never never again.I am not a political person by any means but when I cannot afford to buy at a supermarket the foods I need for a healthy eating regime I have to wonder what is happening.Yes I am an Aged Pensioner and I am but one amongst many who feel the same way.I also have not found a reasonable explanation on how charging us a tax will stop emissions from anywhere.Compensation because of that tax Hooey $4 a week.

    • PeterMax says:

      04:43pm | 02/09/11

      Julia Gillard should go before she does any more damage to Australia and the Labor party. Does she and Labor want the Greens to become a major party instead if Labor ?  it was only herself and many in the media who considered she was the best parliamentary performer

    • phugly1 says:

      04:47pm | 02/09/11

      lets keep her as long as we can…............................to teach us voters that our choice of elected party is up to the minority parties, next time lets get it right. The more they promise the more we suffer!!!!

    • Kosta says:

      04:52pm | 02/09/11

      I think she should stay and get her but kicked at the next elections, even if she does resign the independants wont want an early election and get kicked out as well

    • Martin says:

      04:56pm | 02/09/11

      I must say I feel sorry for Gillard. But her fate will be of her own making. Thinking back to the time she rolled Rudd, she came out of the meeting that night looking sullen faced.  I don’t think she wanted to become PM this way, it was pressure from greedy numbers men and her own blind ambition that led her to do it.. Now more than a year on, she has never looked commanding, never looked Prime Ministerial.  She lacks authority and is indecisive. By fighting the 2010 election and losing Labor’s majority, she was handed a poison chalice, and was never going to be allowed to find her feet, with confidence and conviction in the formulation of policy. Now they are talking of reinstating Rudd. It’s only ever been about power and personal ambition, both with Rudd and Gillard, and the country has suffered from a complete lack of leadership throughout the whole process.Labor will hang on to power come what may, and will be hamstrung until the next election, unable to think freely and implement sensible policy because of the host of political masters that thay must please, all of whom have conflicting ideas as to what our top priorities are. With the global economy bracing for more bad weather, we really need this lack of direction fixed. The only way that can happen is for us have a majority government with a clear mandate to govern. This monority arrangement is not working, and is causing Australia significant harm. Coomonsense would suggest this has to resolved quickly for the country’s good, not only should Ms Gillard resign, so should the rest of the government. They are becomin a true embarrassment to the Australian people.

    • Mickey T says:

      06:31pm | 02/09/11

      @ Martin - To be fair to Gillard, how she gained leadership of the ALP is now totally irrelevant but she did win the 2010 election fair and square and against all odds.

      Gillard went into that election being seen as someone who had back-stabbed a sitting PM, she was a single woman in a misogynistic country / culture, outspoken Atheist, ex-union hack, the previous three years to that election for Labor had been disastrous to say the least, Abbott was selling cheap fear through dirty propaganda and yet…......Gillard still managed to pull off victory…surely this says more about the unpopularity and mistrust of Abbott than it does about Gillard?

      Gillard deserves a chance, at least a full term to see if she can achieve what she set out to do in policy terms, certainly more time than the current twelve months this government has been in power…Gillard certainly deserves that chance as much as Abbott deserves to be now holding the keys to the lodge.

    • Babs of Sydney says:

      08:06am | 03/09/11

      Mickey T - Julia Gillard didn’t win the 2010 election, she traded her Labor values for Green and Independent wacky policies and negotiated her “win”.  You claim Tony Abbott was selling “cheap fear through dirty propaganda” - do you mean something like Labor propaganda peddling the Work Choices fear campaign? 
      Martin suggests she looked “sullen faced” coming from the meeting following Rudd’s demise and looked like she was forced into taking the PM job but I remember a different shot taken of her just before the lift doors closed and her face was bathed in gloating smirkfullness, beaming the look of someone who had finally arrived at their chosen destination in triumph,  Her attitude now of “I’m not going anywhere” reinforces that attitude.  Julia suggests that she, alone, is the only person for the job.  I guess we will have to wait 2 years to point out that, yet again, she is very wrong about that.  At least Kevin Rudd had the commonsense to go with dignity.

    • steve says:

      04:58pm | 02/09/11

      We should keep her in the job until the new comedy show has run. It starts next week and is called something like “Julia and Tim at home”

      The show will fizzle out if she isn’t in the job.

      Think of the actors!

    • Lesley Laurel says:

      05:03pm | 02/09/11

      If Julia Gillard and Tiny Abbott went, newspapers would just be blank pages ever afterwarrds

    • Technoviking says:

      05:06pm | 02/09/11

      It’s gonna take a real man to clean up this mess!

    • EB says:

      05:08pm | 02/09/11

      Best hope is Craig Thomson’s partying ways will force a bi-election… Lets hope that when this latest stuff up has worked its was through the media spot light Craig’s endeavors will be officially uncovered

    • Rick says:

      05:09pm | 02/09/11

      Should Julia go? How unusual that the same NLP hacks that have been saying this since she formed goverment pipe up in droves to answer this one.Sorry to spoil your LNP love in.

    • Barry says:

      05:19pm | 02/09/11

      All the ‘absurd’ suggestions you offer, including Julia staying on herself, are far more preferable to Abbott coming in.

    • Lilly says:

      05:19pm | 02/09/11

      She should ABOSLUTLY leave! I have seen no change in this country besides the fact that there is a high carbon tax and she wants to make Saturday a freaking school day! :S Get out Gillard!

    • Bob Nailhoots says:

      05:20pm | 02/09/11

      Geez, I would rather chew my own leg off than be the First Bloke at any stage, to be honest. But how would you like to be keeping the spag bol warm and the cask wine from freezing while awaiting the little lady’s arrival home, Lodgewise, these last couple of evenings. He’d need a homely philosophical kinda leaning, I imagine. Anthony and Chris would be there too, wanting some comfort food in the crispness of the Canberra night, not to mention some practical advice on retaining their hair for a while not to mention their arses. A hairdresser under considerable pressure.

    • Lesley Laurel says:

      05:24pm | 02/09/11

      Alternative Women Prime Ministers for Australia, the Fantasy Island, are
      1) Elle Macpherson 2) Megan Gale 3) Tory Shepherd 4) Lara Bingle 5) Megan Fox 6) Kate Moss 7) Sandra Nelson 8) Tina Arena 9) Sarah Ferguson 10) Mrs Orlando Bloom 11) Miss World 2004 12) Michelle Bachmann 13) Sarah Palin 14) Kerrie Chikarowski
      15) Jackie Kelly 16) Lucy Kippist 17) Mackarby Diva18) Debbie Downer 19) Ita Buttrose 20) Deborah Hutton 21) Juanita Phillips 22) Amanda Keller 23) Pru McSween
      24) Lisa Wilkinson 25) Liz Hayes   26) JUlia Gillard27 ) Julia Bishop28) Nicola Roxon 29) Penny Wong 30) Kate Ellis 31) Maggie Tabberer 32) Dawn Fraser 33) Kylie Minogue 34) Delta Goodrem 35) Jeannie Little 36) Rebecca Gibney 37) Madonna

    • Knemon says:

      05:42pm | 02/09/11

      Vote 1 - Number 3
      rolleyes

    • Tracker says:

      08:08pm | 02/09/11

      Can we just find a man willing to wear a dress ?.. There you go, BARRY HUMPHRIES for PM!!!!

    • Wickerman says:

      11:49pm | 02/09/11

      Come on, models wont necessarily make good PMs, but I agree with:
      Kerrie Chikarowski
      Penny Wong
      Julia Bishop (all hail to the death stare)

      But the no 1 political contender: Gladys Berejiklian (NSW minister)
      She would kick ass & make other leaders cry (& tell their mums about it)

      For the non- political: Liz Ellis - straight talking ex oz netball captain.

    • Destry says:

      05:33pm | 02/09/11

      @James (01:59pm): If Abbott wanted power at any cost, he would have sold his soul to the Independents like Julia so readily did.  She gave them everything they wanted, no matter how dumb and self-serving, because she did it for power.  After a point, Abbott said “No” (when their demands could not be reasonably accommodated within Coalition policies… go back to the election news and read up on it because grabbing unsupported sheyat out of the air and presenting it as fact shows you are le idiot).  That’s what sticks in Windsor’s craw - that he couldn’t roll Abbott.  And who but a clinical imbecile could believe anything Windsor says (better get a brain scan, mate).

    • Peter Peters School Of Feminism says:

      05:35pm | 02/09/11

      Julia Gillard’s enemies only want to get rid of Julia Gillard as PM as they Come from the Peter Peters School of Feminism

    • Paul says:

      05:42pm | 02/09/11

      Its not a matter if IF she goes, but when.
      She’s gone in the electorates eyes anyway.
      The public are no longer listening and no longer give a damn about anything she cares to comment on, and that can all be traced back to the lie she told when she faithfully promised there would be no carbon tax under a government she leads.
      It was at the moment she told us there WAS going to be carbon tax that the public simply turned right off.
      And to those morons who are so far off in noddy land that they think anything is preferable to Tony Abbott getting into the Lodge, you may seriously need to see a psychiatrist, because there is not a snowflakes chance in hell that Gillard would win the next election, so the ONLY option the ALP have is to put someone else into the top job to have ANY hope.
      I think Tony’s in anyway, so its just a matter if him biding his time.
      Do remember that while Julia is the PM, it is the ALP that run the country, but the problem is that the ALP have shown themselves to be nothing more than a rabble with no clue. Now, you might not like Abbott, which is your opinion, but surely the Libs could run the country standing on their heads if that is what was required, and they’d still do a better job than is being done by the ALP.
      So lets just forget the rubbish, get rid of Gillard and bring on the next election.
      Even the most die-hard ALP supporter knows that they have no hope of holding office with Gillard in The Lodge, so why pretend that they do?

    • Russell in the Wilderness says:

      05:47pm | 02/09/11

      I hope she stays…...I want the opportunity to vote her out!!!!!!

    • dickyo says:

      05:51pm | 02/09/11

      FFS, this has to be Turnbull’s time. Abbott would be Julia writ large x10. The Libs will now be in gvt until 2020 minimum, and having TA as our PM, FFS.?

      Scotty Morrison maybe,but maybe too young, too not serious enough looking. Interesting times. Oblivion looming for Shortie, Smiffie and Swannie.

    • Adelaidian says:

      05:55pm | 02/09/11

      From what I hear she was not liked at Unley High either!

    • Adelaidian2 says:

      09:16am | 03/09/11

      shy little school girl,  my ass!  I am just surprised that there hasn’t been more said because she wasn’t well liked at uni either. No, plenty of skeletons there! lol

    • Keith who has had enough says:

      05:59pm | 02/09/11

      This totally and utterly dysfunctional Labor Party that resembles a mob of sheep following the egotistical Childish Giggly School Girl Dictatorial Styled Incompetent Deluded Leader have all been shorn and lost their way. We all know when we have cockroaches, rodents and vermin in our cupboards at home we eradicate and disinfect them. This is exactly what needs to happen to the some people in the labor Party as soon as possible otherwise the Labor Party will vanish and not exist for decades to come thanks to only a handful of ministers and these egotistical fools have to be dismissed urgently for the sake of survival.

    • J of Darwin says:

      06:03pm | 02/09/11

      If she doesn’t go now, the ALP may as well not turn up to the next election.  She is a disaster looking for somewhere to happen!  The unfortunate thing is that the Libs scare the hell out of me as well.  What a choice!

    • Leslie says:

      06:14pm | 02/09/11

      Labor is driving this country to ruin, just like Keating did!
      Get rid of Labor and Gillard!

    • Terry says:

      06:16pm | 02/09/11

      No. Gillard should stay.  That way, when the election comes we won’t have to put up with labor again for decades.  Enough hyperbowl!! Election now!!

    • Joel B1 says:

      06:22pm | 02/09/11

      Why isn’t the real Prime Minister being asked the hard questions?

      As far as I can tell Bob Brown hasn’t been game to say anything of late.

      Yet only a few months ago he was happy to jump Gillard on several major issues.

    • Steve says:

      07:09pm | 02/09/11

      I had a Freudian moment when I thought you said he was happy to hump gillard.

      I will have to start reading slower.

    • Tracker says:

      06:25pm | 02/09/11

      Have I been in China too long or is the quality of English in Australia as seen in some of these posts severely lacking ? On topic, keep her there until she is thrown out come next election, she hasn’t done enough damage yet to ensure this Union bred ALP effluence is kept out of office for at least 30 years and the people deserve the right to get their anger out of their system in a peaceful manner. Proudly I can say I have never hated a politician be they from any political party…. until now. And that about sums up Julia Gillard. She should be real proud of herself…NOT!

    • Steve says:

      06:42pm | 02/09/11

      was that ALP effluent or influence?

    • Tracker says:

      07:59pm | 02/09/11

      @Steve, effluence.. it just keeps flowing out of this Government and I have no idea what it is. Perhaps influenced by effluent so you might be on to something there wink

    • Weirdo says:

      06:26pm | 02/09/11

      Julair is only a part of the problem - the whole labour religion is flawed.
      They just don’t get the basics of economic management. A welfare mentality will never work in a free trade economy.

    • Even Weirder says:

      06:57pm | 02/09/11

      A welfare mentality will never work in a free trade economy

      More to the point…

      A free trade economy will never work in a welfare state!

    • MPF says:

      06:31pm | 02/09/11

      Tony Abbott: Leader of the most effective opposition we have ever seen. Julia Gillard: Leader of the worst government we have seen. Hello my fellow Australians, whodo you want the best or the worst.

    • Grant says:

      06:41pm | 02/09/11

      Labor won less votes than the coalition in the last election. Labor won less seats than the coalition in the last election. Labor won government by the betrayal of two “independents” from hugely anti-labor electorates. This is democracy????

    • John says:

      08:58pm | 02/09/11

      Congratulations! Wrong. Wrong. And wrong. Moron bingo.

    • robert says:

      06:49pm | 02/09/11

      why doesnt the Australian stop trying to make the news and just report it

    • MilitiaHQ says:

      06:51pm | 02/09/11

      Looks like i will be voting for the Shooters and Fishers party next election, god knows we are going to need our guns back by the time the current stock of leadership are done selling out Australia to the UN and other NWO entities.

    • Steve says:

      07:28pm | 02/09/11

      There is a screenplay in that.

    • Roger says:

      06:58pm | 02/09/11

      You’ve made a typo - and put her out of her misery, should be ... Put he out of our misery…..

    • Lisa says:

      07:19pm | 02/09/11

      It’s not her resignation we need, it is an election. If she is replaced it will change nothing because whoever leads Labor will still have the same horrible policies that are ruining this country. Election now! The Liberals need to start cleaning up this mess.

    • NESLIHAN KUROSAWA says:

      07:25pm | 02/09/11

      Hi David,

      Ms Julia Gillard is an elected Leader, for that reason she should be allowed to serve the full term.  Apparently, we are doing quite well economically compared to the rest of the world.  Then why are we all complaining endlessly??  So things have gone from bad to worse for the Federal Labor Government of Australia.  It is not the first time that has ever happened and it won’t be the last!!  Just because she happens to be a woman does not mean that she should be called names. 

      Even though she seems to be failing in areas such illegal migration, carbon tax and all the rest.  We all know that our failures teach us so much more, that is if we are willing to learn in the first place!! I also believe that everyone deserves a second chance.  And we are all entitled our own opinions & should express them freely.  However, it should all be done in civilized manner & with common courtesy!!

      Just like it has happened in the past, ultimately Australian voters will get to have the final say in this matter.  Of course, how Ms Gillard has become a candidate & the Prime Minister is way too complex & very difficult to understand for most Australians.  I truly think that she has a very strong character & personality, which might certainly help or hinder the current situation.  Also I would like to hear the valid reasons why we should vote for the Opposition.  After all it is not a popularity contest, the level of success should be measured by all the things we have achieved as well as admitting that we have made mistakes in the past.  In my opinion, no one is actually that perfect.  Best regards to your editors.

    • Peter says:

      10:18pm | 02/09/11

      Elected by who? She was put into power by a few men with self serving ideas. The majority certainly did not elect this incompetent woman.
      Make me a list of things Julia has done well.

    • Peter says:

      07:39pm | 02/09/11

      Every day Labor finds a new low in governance.
      Since Labors win in 2007 it’s been a steady slide under the waves.
      At least she’s doing the right thing and apparently going down with the ship of fools

    • Ren says:

      07:41pm | 02/09/11

      Firstly haha the punch, this was gunna be a big one. Should Julia go? 600 posts later and I couldnt frikken resist. I tried.

      Ya know what?
      I am getting to the point where I dont care who leads this country now I just want someone with a bit of heart to actually lead. Move this country forward.

      Right now we are in limbo right in the middle of a mining boom and we need to make the most of it. Instead both sides are carrying on like pork chops basically doing nothing except abusing each other.

      I want Julia to go.
      I want Tony to go.
      I want Bob to go.
      And I want the inderpendents to admit they made a deal with the devil which has not done this country any good at all. What did they expect was going to happen? Even us “Ordinary Australians” could see how it was going to pan out.

      Then if possible I would like the rest of the pollies realise that they are our leaders in a great country and the people that voted you in need your help. Your country needs your help. We want you to forget about politics and do the job that we pay you for. Remember we pay your wage. Pull your heads out of your party’s arse and do your job.

      If someone can rig this up for me you will soooo be on my Xmas card list.

    • Peter says:

      08:50pm | 02/09/11

      It wasn’t the independents that made the deal with the devil.
      It was Julia who made a deal with the four horsemen of the apocalypse and the Devil himself Mr Bob Brown and his Green Band of merry idiots

    • Andrew Dexter says:

      07:46pm | 02/09/11

      Australia should declare indepandance from Canberra. Leave that lot to boss themselves around and pay themselves with what they earn??

    • Pansy says:

      09:04pm | 02/09/11

      Andrew,  I really wish Australia would declare independence from Canberra then we wouldn’t have to put up with 146 mad politicians in our City.  Always remember Canberra have only four politicians, every few months we are deluged by your elected ones coming and being a pest and encouraging demonstrations and Alan Jones!

    • LON says:

      08:32pm | 02/09/11

      It has been much repeated i know but Prime Minister Gillards career as PM was damaged before it began by her own Labor apparatchik dumping Kevin Rudd.The whole process was un Australian and deserved the appropriate dumping of confidence from the voting public. Gillard may have evolved a reprieve for herself if she had managed the former Rudd Governments ambiguous policy direction better, this would have effectively diverted Tony Abbott’s credibility attacks against her and kept the Greens and independents away from the media limelight. By achieving this Gillard would also have proven her quality of strong leadership, Bob Brown and Andrew Wilkie’s power play would have been diminished by her resulting strong public support in the poles.The likelyhood of the Labor Government winning an election if any of the independents withdrew support would have provided all the stability she required to establish and develop her policy credentials for the next election
      which would have been the appropriate time to introduce the idea of a carbon tax.

    • Ross says:

      08:33pm | 02/09/11

      Yes Gillard is hopeless. However I cant waite to see the job Abbott does of the job. I just hope the media hang him as high as they have Gillard.

    • mick says:

      08:57pm | 02/09/11

      Both Labor and Liberal would be well advised to look at the previous leaders who were replaced by the current leaders.  Both were good leaders and would have raised the IQs of their respective parties.

    • Splash the cash says:

      09:40pm | 02/09/11

      Problems for labor are still to come, as more boats are preparing to arrive.
                                Our borders are open
                      Stephen Smith where the bloody hell are you.

      There must be one labor strong man out there that is not hiding behind a skirt.

    • stephen says:

      11:32pm | 02/09/11

      He can’t come out cause he and Jules don’t get on.
      And Labor should not have changed the rules and allowed the refugees access to the Courts.
      Bad mistake, and now it will take more than one new law to change it back.
      Jules and us are in big trouble.

    • Peter says:

      09:41pm | 02/09/11

      she has been using the theory, “fake it till you make it”. Not this time. Time to go…..........

    • Manny T says:

      09:53pm | 02/09/11

      David, you overlook one critical point. Self preservation. Regardless of who Oakeshott and Windsor shook hands with, they wont risk a volatile electorate in the immediate aftermath of a leadership change. Wilkie may, but he’s not quite the pragmatist. Labor members are facing electoral oblivion with Gillard as PM. With Rudd, there is a greater chance of some members holding on to their seats even with Labor losing Government.  Rudd could bring his mate Katter’s support along with him, hence negating Wilkie. This could buy another 12 months to stabilise and staunch the bleeding.

    • John from Sydney says:

      09:54pm | 02/09/11

      What…..........and get Abbott? Cause that’s the alternative. It makes me laugh when I saw Abbott standing there alongside 2GB’s (2 Geriatric Broadcasting’s) morning broadcaster Allan Groans yesterday at the rally (if you want to call it that) at Canberra. Hang on…there’s an idea. Instead of just mildly heading to the loony right with Abbott, let’s put Al in and make sure we get there and never be able to come back!!

    • Splash the cash says:

      10:59pm | 02/09/11

      John.
      Whats your problem with Abbott buddy.
      Better than the shit we got now.

    • Destry says:

      12:13am | 03/09/11

      @John from Sydney: Yes, mate, share your well-researched wisdom with us. Why is Abbott a bad alternative? I’m sure many comment writers here hate him because of his effectiveness as Opposition Leader (he pursued Rudd out the top job and has Julia out cold in the middle of the ring), and they would prefer a wimp like Turnbull instead.  I imagine a few hate him because his ears stick out.  More for no other reason that he is Liberal leader.  Others probably resent his fitness regime and belittle his budgie smugglers because it allows them to forget the fat gut they have developed and nurtured as couch potatos.  Maybe you can give us a lot of provable disasters from his time in prefious portfolios (eg. Health, like his introduction of the Medibank safety net).  I really hope you are not going to raise old chestnuts like “WorkChoices”:  I know you would be aware of the many times he has stated that “WorkChoices is dead” and that he opposed John Howard in Cabinet when the policy was first mooted, discussed and introduced (he was strongly against it and, as far as I know, still is).  I know you are not just parroting off braindead, empty rhetoric like “Abbott would be worse”, etc etc.  So, please. enlighten us, mate.

    • Chris k says:

      06:32am | 03/09/11

      John Learn to vote correctly, DON"T vote for the individual vote for the policies of the party and their past performance, Tony Abbott is not the only voice in the Liberal party unlike the socialist Labor party where Chairman Gillard/Rudd/Unions dictate to the rest of their members

    • Babs of Syd says:

      08:12am | 03/09/11

      Alan Jones isn’t No.1 in the ratings for nothing.  You should tune in some mornings and learn something… like for instance, Alan always says “one thing about commonsense, it isn’t common” and John from Sydney, you just proved it.

    • Jimmy says:

      09:18am | 03/09/11

      Remember the same Labor supporters and pro Labor Journo’s and press gallery hated Turnbull when he was Leader. No matter who is Leader of the Coalition they will still run their “hate campaigns” against whoever it is.

    • Swan says:

      10:02pm | 02/09/11

      Get rid of Gillard and bring back Kevin Rudd

    • TheRaptured says:

      10:31pm | 02/09/11

      We need Tony Abbott, he will bring this county together for the last days we are in now! He will save us as a people for when christ returns soon. This hell we are in will not save us under Gillard. God has chosen this country as a last bastian of good in these last days. Get Rid of this Athiest.

    • Craig says:

      01:53am | 03/09/11

      Awesome troll.

      Thanks Raptured, I needed a laugh grin

    • JB says:

      11:27pm | 02/09/11

      Why should Gillard go? What would be the point? No one could do the job better and these are difficult times. She should run the country as she thinks fit and ignore the media and Abbott and all naysayers.

    • Splash the cash says:

      03:00am | 03/09/11

      JB,
      Run the country as she thinks fit, yeah right.

      Has it occurred to you that she could be Wrong.
      You sound like you are part of that group of people, that if someone said do as i say and jump in a pile of shit , you would.

    • jb says:

      03:50am | 03/09/11

      You actually mean ignore everyone right? just like she does right?
      She’s our very own kryptonite…

    • Jonathan says:

      11:33pm | 02/09/11

      Maybe they should see if John Howard wants to take the reins for them for a little while?

    • Wickerman says:

      11:33pm | 02/09/11

      She will not go voluntarily there would either have to be a leadership spill or the caucus will back her to the end. She will play the long game - she always has. The Indies/Greens/Labor need each other now, therefore will ignore the populace until 2013. In the meantime they (Labor & the unions)  will continue to paint the coalition as bogeypeople, & chant “workchoices workchoices blarrghhh Tony Abbot eats babies! blarrghh”

    • Tracey Smith says:

      12:07am | 03/09/11

      I’ve lived in this country for 17 years and have never seen things so bad as they are now. There is real anger, rage and depression on the streets of Sydney towards this horrific government. Only a real respect for democracy is stopping the Australian people storming parliament. People are horrified at the incompetence of the Gillard Government. Julia MUST be replaced asap and before she introduces the Carbon Tax. Every day she remains in power the damage, much of it long term, to the Labor brand - both State and Federal increases.  Support for the Federal Labor party will soon be sub 20% and I think it could even get to 13 or 14% if there is one more stuff up which there will be - these idiots couldn’t run a lemonade stand let alone a country. What’s happening is frightening. Julia has to be toppled.

    • gurubob says:

      12:30am | 03/09/11

      Labor are just doing what labor do, do you not remember the last labor government?
      high unemployment, bad wages and short term contracts for those that did work, borderline bankrupt economy. no actual government just hype and catch phrases.
      people seem to forget fast and vote the idiots back in.

    • Grumpy Middle Aged Man says:

      02:52am | 03/09/11

      well said!  Who could forget the recession we had to have, I remember the hardship I apparently had to have and will never forgive or forget the smug bastard Paul Keating!

    • BobM says:

      09:49am | 03/09/11

      @grubob, older people who had witnessed the Whitlam and Keating debacles hadn’t forgotten. But the young people who have had at least a decade of brainwashing at our Leftie run education institutions believed their teachers and lecturers when they were told how ‘evil’ John Howard was. We had a decade of an excellent standard of living. Now they have witnessed firsthand how Labor cannot govern and is fiscally hopeless. They have lots of great sounding thought bubble policies, but can’t implement them properly to save themselves. Incompetent.

      When the young voters start losing their jobs in the next few months, they might just begin to understand that Labor, especially hooked up to the crazy Greens, are just plain useless at everything.

    • Steve says:

      01:52pm | 03/09/11

      I have never verified it as correct but I remember reading once that 80% of the under 30 year old demographic voted for Kevin rudd in 2007.

      If true it is a fantastic insight into the power of the demand for generational change. JFK was marketed as the first President born in the 20th century and also had very strong support in the younger demographic. It is recognised that the demand for generational change was a deciding factor.

      Those under 30 with no memory of recession could not relate to Howard and embraced Rudd who spoke their language. Had Howard handed over to Costello during his last term this whole debacle may have been avoided.

      What would we give now to have PM Costello in his second term?

    • Shane says:

      02:04pm | 03/09/11

      After 4 years of Labor Government Australia is in excellent shape. Record wealth, record employment, low interest rates, low inflation, and billion dollar long term contracts being signed almost every day. Congratulations Prime Minister, and thanks.

    • gra gra says:

      01:51am | 03/09/11

      The people have spoken. Gillard is our P.M. Abbott is in Opposition. The next election is two years away, but you supporters of the religous nutter want an election now because you know that he can’t stay as Oppo leader for the next two years without stuffing up again and again. He is not P.M. material. He is not even M.P. material. He is a complete and utter nutter.
      His mentors, John Howard and George Pell have made of him a deluded idiot who will say “yes” to everyone and anyone who may give him the time of day.
      Some friends who stayed with my wife and I over a couple of weeks, (they are English), said to me “Is this fool the best you’ve got as a Party Leader?”
      This was at the time when he completely lost it under questioning by a media man. I felt quite ashamed.
      Gillard will stay, even after the next election. Australians don’t like people who believe in fairies, and ghosts, and angels, and flesh eating, and blood drinking, and worshipping stone statues of virgin mothers, and other evil, abhorrent pagan practices. They certainly don’t want such a person as Prime Minister. They want this nation’s political authority to come from Canberra. Not Rome.

    • JohnG says:

      10:40am | 03/09/11

      All of the above is why we have this problem now

    • Grumpy Middle Aged Man says:

      02:53am | 03/09/11

      How many ways can we say YES, your time is up!

      Please let us have an election!!!

      Please

    • Rose says:

      02:10pm | 03/09/11

      We just did, last August. You lot lost. Remember ?

    • aussiebear says:

      03:17am | 03/09/11

      “Should Gillard go?” => No…

      ...Mainly because I want to know how low ALP can go in the polls!

    • jb says:

      03:55am | 03/09/11

      She should definitely go.
      Don’t be surprised if they do give it to Rudd so he can lead them in his first election defeat and then replace him with their next Judas.
      These people are that twisted…

    • Peter#1 says:

      05:38am | 03/09/11

      Why change the jockey on a horse that has fallen over so many times? The horse is crippled and just needs to be euthanized, so changing jockeys will not get it to the finish line.
      It would not make any difference to the result at the next election if Labor recruited Jesus Christ to lead it. They are bound for political oblivion and Julia Gillard is the best person to lead them there.

    • Paul says:

      06:35am | 03/09/11

      And take Bob Brown with her!!

    • Peter R says:

      06:42am | 03/09/11

      Gillard represents Labors policies and these policies together with her Governments incompetence are the factors which have affected our country so badly .They all need to go !!

    • Laz says:

      07:03am | 03/09/11

      I think all this Hoo Haa an Immature disgusting feeding frenzy, blown up by the media. This behaviour is actually hurting Australia. We all have a resposibility to let the government rule after we vote them in. Mpst of their energy is in defending themsleves and not running the country.

    • beejaz wolf says:

      07:11am | 03/09/11

      Really she is doing a good job. Media is all over her, mostly bad. We have no option to keep her, Tony Abbott is a no choice. Most people are good at sticking knives in but sit on their hands when the crunch comes.

    • Jon says:

      07:15am | 03/09/11

      She is in this position for a reason, and people need to remember that when they make their decision.

      She needs to go, and yes take her stinky comrades with her

    • ZM says:

      07:34am | 03/09/11

      lets pray some of the politician become so sick of politics so they can attend parliament sessions. they can have their mental health back after early election.

    • Ivan says:

      07:46am | 03/09/11

      How can someone be worse prospect(as in Abbott) if they have never been in power?

    • Kay says:

      02:14pm | 03/09/11

      Look up the word “prospect” in a dictionary.

    • Slouch Hat says:

      08:14am | 03/09/11

      The Abbott is so muoch scarery than the Red Head, but the Greens are wilting as they are so thrilled with the open borders which will attract even more people we can’t house.  Never mind our own homeless who haven’t a mobile phone, 3 meals a day, a roof over their head like the refugees.  Don’t call us a Lucky Country when so many Australians find it hard to rent or even buy a home.

    • Domestic Manageress says:

      08:18am | 03/09/11

      Abbott is a self confessed liar.  Can we find anyone in Parliament who isn’t?  I think I’ll start up the Housewives Party or the Domestic Managment Party as we know how to run a budget better than most men

    • Gina says:

      08:44am | 03/09/11

      Gillard = Epic Fail
      Rudd = More Popular Than Ever

      Do the math Labor.

    • Adam says:

      08:48am | 03/09/11

      This is no trick question to answer, the answer being certainly yes. Rudd was totally incompetent and he was quickly replaced by Gillard who will cetainly go down as Australia’s worst ever P.M.
      The Labor party are a total abomination if they also fire Gillard that will mean they have replaced two P.M’s in less than one single term. What a total sham of a party.

    • Richard says:

      08:50am | 03/09/11

      It should be legislated that if you want to change the Prime Minister you must hold a new election. People voted specifically for Gillard and this is effectively changing voter’s wishes retrospectively.

      I think most people, especially those from NSW, are sick to death with the Labor Party’s merry-go-round approach to leadership.

      If their best candidate at the time of the election proves to be a dudd then they don’t deserve a 2nd chance unless the same opportunity is offered to the Electors - the people of Australia.

    • Time to go says:

      08:56am | 03/09/11

      Many years ago Labor had a slogan called “It’s Time”. It may now be appropriate to bring that slogan back and tack a few more words on to it so that it reads It’s time for Juliar and Labor to go”.

    • Linda says:

      08:59am | 03/09/11

      Julia Gillard - “No Carbon Tax under a Government I lead”. Yet too become PM, she agreed to the minority Greens wish for a Carbon Tax, agreed to whatever demands the three independants put before her
      (their ‘agreements’ are with her, not the ALP).

      She has no mandate from the electorate; the majority are against this tax which is initially going to send $ 400m to the UN and then $ 55 billion dollars every year overseas to purchase carbon credits???  This is nuts. She and her incompetence have failed Australia in so many areas - the huge debt the country is now in and the multiple quick fix schemes such as BER, Pink Batts and $ 900 handouts.  NBN without a cost benefit anaysis, IR and the loss of flexibility and micro management of wage under her Fair Work Act, loss of Border Security, the $ 8 billion aid programme designed to ‘buy’ a UN seat,  supporting a sleazey MP just to maintain her grip on power?

      She needs to go - she is morally bankfupt. The three independants will be left hanging in the breeze and the ALP then need to do the right thing and call an election. NOW.

    • Richard says:

      09:00am | 03/09/11

      Why is everyone so focused on Gillard’s incompetence? All these poor decisions, poorly-framed policies and even worse execution of policy is not her fault alone.

      These disasters are the collective work of her and all her ministers. Individually, the vast majority of them are about as useful as Harold Holt’s flippers. Together, they constitute what is perhaps the most incompetent Govt this country has ever seen.

      It would be hard to split the Gillard Govt from the Whitlam Govt. Whitlam almost bankrupted this country and Gillard is well on her way to the same. I’m not sure we can afford for her to be in power for 2 more years.

    • Mouse says:

      11:20am | 03/09/11

      snap! (must remember not to write in caps!! lol)

    • Jen says:

      09:28am | 03/09/11

      Please independants put this government out of its misery. I can’t believe there are so many lefties still sticking up for this joke of a government. That’s because it’s the closest they have ever got to achieving their socialist ideals i suppose….

    • Joe - CBR says:

      09:39am | 03/09/11

      I would suggest that David Penberthy change the title of this article to “Should Labor Go?” as I think it more appropriate now. The big mess Labor created in 2007 under Rudd government and Julia is the inheritance. She has no ability to run the country affairs even when she was the minister of Education. She finally digs her own grave.
      The idea of reviving the dead corpse (Kevin Rudd) shudder me.

    • zig of rockigham says:

      09:41am | 03/09/11

      Our best men are fighting and dying the very same people that Gillard is letting in thru’ the back door. Have’nt we learned anything from 9/11 and London underground???? Get rid of Labour and some of the Greens. Its time for election and lets do it right this time.

    • Bob says:

      09:43am | 03/09/11

      I do think it is time for her to be replaced,but even at the next election Donald Duck could beat Tony Abbott. If it wasnt compulsory to vote in Aussie most wouldnt as they are sick of hearing rubbish daily

    • fox says:

      09:47am | 03/09/11

      Gillard should never have been PM. She bribed her way in with clownshoe Oakeshott who gave a cringeworthy 20 min speech with lame jokes and that other guy who wanted the NBN but doesn’t even know how to use a computer. The best thing about this is we won’t have to see the cryptkeeper Bob Brown say stupid stuff like"to want is not to have” and other such intellectual gems. Out with Julia, out with clownshoe and sidekick, out with the corpse-resembling vegetarian hippie.

    • Steve says:

      01:10pm | 03/09/11

      I like your style fox. If you have time I wonder if you wouldn’t mind coming up with a quip about Wilkie.

    • Fred Bloggs says:

      09:48am | 03/09/11

      No, leave her where she is, that we she can totally destroy this thoroughly incompetent political party so that we never have to bear the brunt of it’s ridiculous policies ever again.

    • Peter says:

      10:20am | 03/09/11

      That would leave us with what options?
      Greens, The Mad Katters and a few independents

    • gorghast says:

      10:40am | 03/09/11

      Fred - my sentiment exactly. Stay on Ms. Gillard. Please stay on, for each day she stays on, the damage done will buy time PLUS a large dividend back when LABOR is gone. Hopefully too, it’ll take the bullying “unions of no consequence” with them too! Now wouldn’t that do the right thing by Australia?

    • Craig Naidu says:

      09:59am | 03/09/11

      I hope and pray we get rid of that embarrassing PM of ours Julia G!!!  but damn I would not want Tony Abbot to run our country either , he’s a babbling Goon…

      I still think Rudd was our best hope and hopefully still is ...mmmmmm

    • Rod says:

      10:01am | 03/09/11

      Send her to Malaysia and see if we can get something better in return.

    • Barry says:

      10:19am | 03/09/11

      Great to see from these comments that Tony’s got the moron vote. That kind of support should be enough to put him in the Lodge.

    • Damocles says:

      12:12pm | 03/09/11

      Barry, great to see you think the majority of Australians are morons! Typical Labor form, hurl insults, scorn and derision at your opponents and critics….. way to go, keep it up, furthers the anger and dissent with a total loser “government”!

    • Peter says:

      02:14pm | 03/09/11

      It put Labor in the Lodge so why not Abbott?

    • Jen says:

      10:37am | 04/09/11

      That’s right. Labor already has the moron vote. It’s through their incompetence that Tony looks good. Duh

    • jamal.nazreddin says:

      10:26am | 03/09/11

      Go now!  You and your cronies are traitors to the Working Class!

    • William says:

      10:42am | 03/09/11

      If Ms Gillard really thinks the future of the nation, she should go and take responisibilty of the failure that ALP do so far

    • BobM says:

      10:51am | 03/09/11

      If Julia Gillard reckons that she is the best person to lead the Labor Party at this time, the rest of them must be bloody hopeless!

    • Win says:

      11:20am | 03/09/11

      She must go. How can she say she is for the working class. Her decisions are making the cost of living go higher and higher and it is also causing more jobs to disappear. There is no logic in her decisions. We need someone to lead who can think things through and see the big picture before making decisions.

    • MarkH says:

      11:20am | 03/09/11

      As much as I’m all for Gillard going as clearly incompetent to lead her party much less the country, Federal Labor should be made to wear their decision to knife Rudd right up to the inevitable coup de grace of a House of Reps Federal Election.

      It’s too easy for the revolving door of ALP leadership to try to cover up the mistakes of past leaders. The electorate have been wise to these antics for a long time. Federal Labor should not be allowed to weasel their way out of the consequences by dumping yet another failed leader and learn to face the electorate head on. Only then will they be able to truly see the depth of voter anger at their antics and realise once and for all the cancer of NSW ALP Right politicking is not what voters want.

      I’m not holding my breath though. Gillard will be ‘rescued’ when the nervous nellies finally tire of her and the party will no doubt go on as before continually kicking it’s supporters in the guts till nothing is left but a husk of diehards while the rest of the country has moved on…..wait, aren’t we already there? wink

    • john swanson says:

      11:41am | 03/09/11

      I have a not so original idea…..if Julia will not go quietly let’s have a
      Democracy revolution like they have just had in Libya and Egypt….I am
      sure the USA will back us….......LOL…..

    • Philip says:

      11:42am | 03/09/11

      ..................the band has one more song to play?

    • Peter Q says:

      11:49am | 03/09/11

      Malcolm, oh Malcolm!  Where art thou?

    • Juanita says:

      01:43pm | 03/09/11

      Sipping latte’s or French Champaign somewhere around snob hill with his elite friends I would imagine on a Saturday afternoon.

    • Skeptical says:

      12:00pm | 03/09/11

      I wonder how many of these pro-Julia comments are actually coming from ALP staffers or ‘associates’. Hmmmm…... Me thinks they doth protest too much. I am still trying to find evidence to support those claiming Abbott would make a mess of this country, bring on a recession in 6 weeks (???!!!), initiate armegeddon. Please refer me to justifiable reasons and then I might listen. Julia and ALP are out. It’s now a question of when. Accept and move on.

    • Green Power says:

      01:12pm | 03/09/11

      “Julia and ALP are out. It’s now a question of when”

      The next general election is due sometime in 2013

      “Accept and move on”

    • Mark says:

      02:24pm | 03/09/11

      Sound advice Green Power, but they just can’t deal with having lost the last two elections.

      That said, it’s fun to hear them squealing like stuck pigs.

    • George says:

      12:02pm | 03/09/11

      Im one of Australia’s biggest labor supporters, and even I agree she should be removed. Go Julia.

    • Miranda says:

      01:21pm | 03/09/11

      Wow 736 comments and counting!

      Abbott and the Coalition must be the only stable ones in Australia today and would be having prayers of thanksgiving for the excellent political position they have found themselves in. Compared to the Gillard Labor party whose leader has no faith this mob must feel the need to turn to some voodoo magic for a miracle to happen. Gillard is gone and should go to prevent the Labor brand from sinking further.

    • edward III says:

      01:35pm | 03/09/11

      Women, in the main, are clearly not cut out to be leaders.  Look at the woeful Female Premiers for an example.  In fact a very good argument could be made that of the worst PMs, State Premiers - women would win all titles.  They are just not cut out for it in every facet. 

      The lying and incompetent Gillard must be sacked ASAP.  Sadly, the problem is with another woeful ALP govt that will give the Libs a decade to repair… again.

      When will the outer-suburban, mouth breathers that vote Labor wake up??  Are they voting for the welfare?  I just don’t get why in the 21st century any adult with an IQ over 2 would dream of voting for a socialist based political party given the cavalcade of failure around the globe and here.

      Australia is being run by PC odd-ball public servants, Union hacks, ambulance chasing second rate lawyers, and assorted weirdoes.

      No wonder we are farked to buggery.

    • Joe says:

      01:42pm | 03/09/11

      Given the poor performance ratings Kevin Rudd received prior to Julia Gillard deposing him, natural justice dictates that she receive the same fate considering her lack of performance which is far lower than that of Kevin Rudd’s. The only control she has over her own demise is for her to resign and avoid the humiliation that she put Kevin through.

    • Peter says:

      01:47pm | 03/09/11

      The independants and Greens know that the next election will see the end of them and probably for Labor for a very long time.  They will avoid giving the people a say for as long as possible.

    • TimG says:

      03:45pm | 03/09/11

      Eventually, the rats in the Caucus will opt for self-preservation and dump her in the faint hope that another change will stem the bleeding. The truly sad part is that the stupid woman is too vain to realise the long-term damage she is not only doing to her Party, but to the office of Prime Minister and politics in general. Every minute we have a liar as PM, the public’s respect for Government in general drops further.

    • Northern Steve says:

      04:55pm | 03/09/11

      I dunno about the Greens, Peter.  There will be a significant group of people who could never, ever vote Liberal, but won’t vote for Gillard (or whoever), and so will go with the greens.  I can’t see their vote dropping much, even if there is some churn.  Would be interesting to see a parliament in whch the greens and ALP fight it out to be the official opposition though.  It might depend on who the LNP choose to preference.

    • er says:

      02:55pm | 03/09/11

      Abbott despite his alleged baggage as a Mad Monk can force Labor to 27% popularity and falling ,what does that say how low Labor would be if the Liberals had a perceived better leader . Labor is delusional

    • Saskia says:

      02:56pm | 03/09/11

      Until the ALP and their Green Socialist masters are thrown out I will continue to be depressed and feel dirty.  Even in a boiling hot shower using solvol and steel wool I feel like I cannot get the Labor stink off my skin.

      If Australia was a person, you would hug her, make up a nice bed and call Beyond Blue.

      Yes - it is that bad.

    • Q says:

      03:01pm | 03/09/11

      Mr Wilkie announced he is going to vote with his Labor independent cronies to end the private health rebate for couples earning over $150K p.a.  An independent report showed that up to 1.6 million Aussies will drop their cover over the next 5 years, 4.3 will downgrade their cover, premiums will increase by 10% over and above routine annual increases. Mr Wilkie’s staff told me that the rebates will be re-directed into public hospitals (which I surmise will then become even more overloaded with escapees from the private hospital system).
      What this means is that private health insurance annual fees will rise significantly for everyone - including middle income earners like me - to re-capitalisethe insurance pool for those 1.6 million customers who will change over to public hospitals where free pathology, free radiography, free physiotherapy will concomitantly increase.
      I don’t think Wilkie thinks through the ramifications of his decisions on ordinary people. He must think that voting out the health insurance rebate for families over $150K pa is good penalty for people who work very hard to improve the opportunities for their families, many of whom are very hardworking couples in small businesses who are on their feet sometimes 7 days a week to survive, and for very long hours. They also have the stresses that come from employing workers.
      Wilkie really should stop sucking around Gillard and these incompetents and consider that as a 20 percent Denison MP who just fell over the line, he’s out of a job next election, back to selling carpets. The only way these independents can stop this country laughing at their hypocrisy is for them to drop this government on its head and Gillard with it, because when it falls none of the independents, judged on their performance will ever be seen or heard of again. But do it before any more damage is done, that would be their only saving grace.

    • Tommo says:

      04:24pm | 03/09/11

      Please put us all out of our misery and let us go back to the polls. Under Gillard, Australia is going down the drain. Gillard does not have a mandate supported bt the majority of Australians. Better still lets have a referendum for a Republic to start once Queen Elizabeth dies or leaves her throne. One important point though, we want to elect our leader rather than put up with the rubbish that our political parties are thrusting upon us.

    • Billy B says:

      07:26pm | 03/09/11

      Tommo - Australia is already in debt and you want us to become a Republic - bloody Nora!  To become a Republic is going to cost more $$$$ or haven’t you thought of that?  Numbscull what are you thinking?

    • J.Citizen says:

      09:22am | 04/09/11

      We currently have a political parity that refuses to step down or go to an election against the will of the people, if become a republic this government could refuse to hold any more elections.

    • Dennis Boisvert says:

      05:11pm | 03/09/11

      How can the repoter not cite the mid-term switch from bob Hawke to Paul Keating as a success, as Keating won another term for Labor? This is a federal government switch, within te reporter’s lifetime if not his work life, and all the polls showed Hewsen was odds-on favourite with fightback.

    • Yvette S says:

      05:24pm | 03/09/11

      Julia Gillard, for the sake of Australia you MUST resign NOW.

      Stop thinking about yourself. 

      The damage you are doing to this beautiful land by the hour has now reached tipping point.  A few more months of this and their will be virtually no way back.

      Keating and Hawke left Australians with a debt of 96,000 million dollars after about a decade.  Rudd/Gillard have given us a debt of 200,000 million dollars in 3 years!!!

      That is:

      200,000,000,000.00.  After inheriting a 21 Billion dollar surplus.

      Disgrace and shame are not even close.

      Words cannot describe the obscenity and straight out evil of this Govt.

    • Ando48 says:

      06:22pm | 03/09/11

      Take your time, Julia.
      This Monday will do just nicely, thanks.

    • Bev K. says:

      06:43pm | 03/09/11

      If you watch Wayne Swan, whether in parliament or anywhere else, his eyes dart nervously from one side to the other.  What is he so scared of?  When the Libs are back in, led by Malcolm, all will be well.  Tony Abbot is OK, but not leader material.

    • BobM says:

      06:58pm | 03/09/11

      Sorry to disappoint you Bev, but Malcolm will never be leader of the Opposition.  Like Rudd, he’s had his chance and blown it.  Malcolm Turnbull is for Malcolm Turnbull, not for the Australian people.

      And Swanny has his fingers crossed behind his back - “Julia has my full support”. Yeah, sure, - liar.

    • CynicalGoatWA says:

      09:26pm | 03/09/11

      Struth 770+ comments…..The Punch’s value has doubled overnight. See Gillard is good for something!!

    • Peter says:

      10:20pm | 03/09/11

      God help us if the liberals re-elect Malcolm Turnbull as leader. A good politician but hell bent on a carbon tax. After all he is the person that pushed deadly CFL light bulbs onto Australian Homes. Skin cancer causing toxic mercury bulbs we see everywhere, that do not last long, are expensive to replace and do not save that much on ones power bill. Just look it up on the internet and you will be shocked when you see what you are living with and have never been warned of the dangers to you, your children and the environment.

      Maybe Malcolm could become leader of the labour party if our sexy prime minister throws in the towel.  All the labour party has to do is ditch the useless carbon tax and replace all the deadly CFL’s (Compact Fluorescent Litght-bulbs) with LED lighting, free to every houseold in the country. Now that’s achievable.

      Every one would be extremely happy with electric light bills of next to nothing. Most LED lights run cool, use from 1 to 3 watts of power and can last for up to 50,000 hours. Labour would regain some credibility, householders are safer and happier. Bob and his Green cult would be happy. Even the Liberals and all other political parties would probably go along with that.

      What a posative idea at last? So let’s do it!


      .

    • Beth says:

      08:20am | 04/09/11

      Get rid of Gillard, Swan, Rudd and the rest of this sad excuse for a governing political party.  The lot of them are a disgrace and they should all hangs their collective and individual heads in utter shame.  They sooner they’re all gone, the better and then perhaps Australia can start the long journey of recovery and healing - in every aspect of life.

    • Disraeli says:

      08:47am | 04/09/11

      Another view of the High Court judgement.

      “This High Court decision, with its sweeping reinterpretation of the Migration Act, is an intrusion into the executive realm such that the court itself now makes offshore processing policy, to such an extent that the only neighbouring nation that probably meets its new self-imposed policy test is New Zealand. This is an extraordinary situation, the act of a High Court short on wisdom.

      There is no gainsaying what has happened: the High Court has substituted its own policy disposition for that of the Gillard government. The dissenting judgment of Justice John Dyson Heydon repeatedly alludes to the risks in this approach.

      The court has undermined the powers of any Australian government to protect the borders from asylum-seeker boat arrivals who have self-selected this nation and paid people-smugglers to get here. Its decision can only encourage more boats. It is futile to believe the court can be absolved from such responsibility.

      The majority judgment constitutes a view of the Migration Act inconsistent with the intentions of the parliament when the relevant section was passed in 2001. The idea that the Howard government when it was putting in place the Pacific Solution and sending asylum-seekers to Nauru (a non-signatory to the Refugee Convention without any protections in its domestic law) actually intended the statutory construction now applied by the High Court is untenable.

      It is obvious what should happen: the parliament should amend the Migration Act to restore this discretion to the executive, thereby circumventing the decision. Such amendments should be carried on Labor-Coalition votes. But that won’t happen because the Coalition is putting political advantage before the national interest.”

      and…

      “Gillard’s criticism of the High Court was unwise politically. Yet her argument was essentially valid. In fact, this High Court decision embodies everything the Howard government stood against in its long battle over judicial activism in the migration jurisdiction. It reveals the true yet largely unrecognised power struggle over boatpeople - between judicial power on one hand and the executive and parliament on the other.”

      And that, folks, is from Paul Kelly, in The Australian, Saturday. More of interest, here:

      http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/opinion/multiple-disaster-for-julia-gillard/story-e6frgd0x-1226128419421

    • J.Citizen says:

      09:14am | 04/09/11

      Need to get rid of the lot of them, along with the governor general, the lack of action against this out of control party proves the Australian government is not ethical enough to appoint its own head of state.

    • marley says:

      01:58pm | 04/09/11

      So long as the PM and her government have the confidence of Parliament, the GG is quite correct to stay out of the fray.  If the PM loses a vote of confidence, that’s another matter - but she hasn’t.  So, unless you want to abandon the principles governing the Westminster system, you just have to work on managing your anger.

    • drecked says:

      09:49am | 04/09/11

      The longer she stays the deeper we are sinking in to Total
      destruction & Debt , It would be a hard task to find a dumber
      mob than them !

    • JB says:

      11:42am | 04/09/11

      Definitely not. She is the best person for the job. She should run the country the best way she can, ignore the media and put cotton wool in her ears every time they drag out some long retired Liberal spokeperson. All I can say as a warning to those not very smart people calling for the Liberals, be careful what you wish for,  Abbott is a wrecker.

    • drecked says:

      12:17pm | 04/09/11

      You can’t be serious JB ? unless your not a Tax payer as in
      not work for a living !

    • stephen says:

      12:38pm | 04/09/11

      Well the Solicitor-General has just determined upon legal advice that off-shore processing is out, and if that isn’t a cock-up, I don’t know what is.
      This Government must go, now.

    • Mouse says:

      12:48pm | 04/09/11

      @JB, a wrecker? A wrecker of what? Name me the things Abbott has wrecked. Abbott is the Opposition and he doesn’t have the numbers to wreck anything! gillard’s little nicknames are nothing but desperate straw grabs. We have seen her attempts at running the country, not too successful at the moment! She’s not new at it either, she a 3 year intro as Rudd’s deputy. I suppose it’s not the same as being in the hot seat though is it?  As for being careful what you wish for, Liberals do have a good background for stable economic government.  Yes, I definitely wish for a stable government with good economic nous.
      ps Richo isn’t exactly a long retired Liberal spokesperson is he?

    • Joe - CBR says:

      10:28pm | 05/09/11

      JB, you must come from a different planet.

    • Wipeout. says:

      12:52pm | 04/09/11

      For Labors sake Gillard should resign,but being so pig headed she won’t,so for the sake of their own paliamentary seats and later careers she should be thrown out of her job.Great care must be taken in her replacement,no current minister except Rudd would be accepted by the Australian voters.A clean skin from the back benchers would be okay and all ministerial positions must go to back benchers.This is the only way that Labor can salvage seats and gain some trust and respectability.

    • Dump em. says:

      12:58pm | 04/09/11

      Never in Labors history have they had such a distrusted,disfunctional leader and cabinet.All positions must be turned over to the back benchers.

    • Chow says:

      02:18pm | 04/09/11

      And the Coalition are a bunch of no hoping losers with no future plan for this country.
      Hockey wants to sack 12, 000 public servants, their direct action carbon plan is an expensive mess and Abbott is clueless.

    • Sylvia Bertrand says:

      12:24pm | 05/09/11

      No you’re wrong on all those points actually.

    • BobM says:

      02:27pm | 04/09/11

      We need a parliamentary vote of no confidence in this government and we need it soon - where are those independent bastions of a transparent and open government, Windbag, Wilkie and Oakeshott? Cowering in a corner sucking their thumbs and hoping nobody notices them?

    • Catey says:

      03:50pm | 04/09/11

      I 100% support Julia Gillard and I 100% support democracy.  The media needs to back right off - just give us the facts and stop speculating.  This is the government we voted for.  We don’t need the media hysteria and hype.  The government is functioning well - over 180 bills passed through parliament over the last year.  The recent High Court decision on asylum seekers is not the first time a government has lost a High Court decision.  This is not the criteria by which we judge whether or not a government is functioning.  The media and the opposition need to accept that we have a legitimate government.  Let them get on with doing their job of running the country.  If they fail to convince you they are not doing the right thing then you will have the opportunity to vote them out at the next election.

    • Gandalf says:

      12:36pm | 05/09/11

      My god Catey, I near choked on your desperation.

    • deejay says:

      04:12pm | 04/09/11

      In relation to the Poll, I voted for Gillard.

      WHY, I hear a strangled cry.  Because she will ensure the armageddon at the next election and we will be rid of them for a very long time.  Nobody should be given even a whiff of a chance to get this rabble re-elected for the country’s sake.

    • vixen says:

      05:57pm | 04/09/11

      Interesting comments on this huge forum. I was particularly dumbfounded by the Labor support of Gen Y. Most of them are still living at home with their parents in a protective bubble.  Charge them $180.00 a week for their room ( the standard rate overseas students pay) 25% of the weekly food bill, 25% of the power bill, 25% of water rates,  25% of council rates, 25% of internet connection .. a lesson in “Life under Labor” will be good for them !

    • stephen says:

      06:49pm | 04/09/11

      Your first sentence Catey is, now, an oxymoron.
      The High Court decision effectively, has found this Government searching for a policy that is commensurate with its own electoral boundaries, i.e. a Labor platform of inclusiveness, with their concerns of economic inclusiveness.
      These are not exclusive ; Tony Abbott may well expand his Policy on the latter, at the expense of the population’s fear of cultural chaos, (which is the real trouble of Labor) that might force an intelligent independant to call it a day.

    • Peter says:

      07:13pm | 04/09/11

      I often wonder about our voting system and politicians, No matter who is in power their leader always becomes a target for opinion. So if we have a change of PM or change of government we are still lucky enough to have a winge about what we consider right. Many consider the current PM has betrayed them and should gracefully resign. Thing is if we get another PM as we surely will are they going to be any better than Ms Gillard.

      Every Federal election one is presented with a large sheet of printed-paper to vote on. Why not put an extra row of boxes at the bottom of the form with things that are considered most needed or of national importance. That way the majority of people from all aspects of the political spectrum would send a clear message what the majority want to any incoming government.

      When we get bogged down with all the political backbiting we miss the bigger picture. I live on the east coast of Australia the two major things I think overrides our problems are we are a large mineral and oil rich nation with a relatively small population. Worldwide mineral and oil resources are diminishing, whilst larger nations that are mineral hungry are developing and growing at a rapid rate.

      In the near future we could be facing war from any one of these nations that needs our minerals, So if PM Julia is replaced with another PM ask yourself who would be the best person to replace her.

      The second worry for Australia is. New Zealand, it is a country that in many areas is volcanically active and has regular earthquakes. If it should finally ‘blow it’s top’ it could create a massive tsunami that will wipe out the whole of the East coast of our nation.

      Many people who live in elevated areas close to the coast consider that they would be safe. However consider this, the largest tsunami or tidal wave recorded was 1,720 foot tall, that’s 524 meters high,

      http://geology.com/records/biggest-tsunami.shtml

      So it gives some food for thought.

      It is credit to both governments that they at least took some action to upgrade the warning system after the terrible 2004 tsunami. You can view the Joint Australian Tsunami website at the following link.

      http://www.bom.gov.au/tsunami/

    • andrew says:

      12:03am | 05/09/11

      News Flash !!!
      The new DREAM TEAM: Rudd and Turnbull to form the new Australia People’s Party and win a landslide at the next general election.

    • Rex Banks says:

      10:08am | 05/09/11

      Juliar Magabe

    • Steve Newson says:

      10:24am | 05/09/11

      Gillard and Abbot both should go! Neither are any good at their job and are certainly not worthy of the top job! The problem for Australia is that we have no stand outs like Menzies or Chifley. Sorry folks, we are in deep sticky stuff. No one to rescue us either!
      Needed: Someone with all Australians best interest at heart and certainly NOT someone who is beholden to industry OR the banks! Any takers? I fear not.

    • Gandalf says:

      11:07am | 05/09/11

      To form a minority government,  it stands as a given that participants mortgage their mothers. To stay in government they now have to be prepared to drag the old biddy onto the chopping block. Then they try to convince us that it’s ok because the head will fall into a basket of nice soft good intentions. Labor, the Greens and the 3 Independents are all equally responsible for turning good intentions of voters, into a compost heap of wasted intentions and rotting heads. This government is not democratic.

    • ROB says:

      03:01pm | 05/09/11

      To blame Julia is not fair. The Rudd govt was a disaster as well. The machine behind the PM is the problem. Even if someone else took the reins, there would be the same result. It is a dud Government. We need a new election to sort things out.

    • Rose says:

      04:26pm | 05/09/11

      @Rob

      We had one just a year ago. You lot lost. Remember ?

    • K Goodfare says:

      05:32pm | 05/09/11

      Tony has put his own party in the poop by playing such hardball re asylum seekers. Does he really think the High Court will now allow a return to any off shore solution if he were to be the next PM. And what sort of coalition would he have to form, does he think all of the independents will jump on his train or is he relying on the idea that he will have a massive majority….I wonder how the senate will pan out in the next election…I think I have never watched such an amazing pack of outright political fools of all leanings ever on the evening news…it sure beats the usual free TV pap!

    • James says:

      02:09pm | 06/09/11

      Anyone would think Julia Gillard had just invaded Poland from the way people are crapping on about her, but what has she actually done that is so bad?

      Our economy is strong
      Unemployment is low
      We are being applauded around the world for our efforts in tackling climate change.

      Serious questions need to be asked about the Media’s role in all of this, there is an hysterical tone in a lot of Julia’s critics and not just the loony shock jocks.

    • Insurance Paul says:

      10:28am | 07/09/11

      hmmmm what has she done? Her and her cronies have wasted billions, are trying the biggest wealth redistribution ever (take from everyone and give to the poor aka carbon tax), cash for clunkers (that was a laugh), the peoples seminar or whatever that was (ha ha), the BER scheme etc etc etc….this is the WORST GOVT in history. She must have a sore bum from Bob Browns hand being up there!

    • James says:

      11:57am | 07/09/11

      Paul, all governments waste money as do all businesses.  There were investigations into the school halls thing, the waste that people crapped on about simply wasn’t there.

      Even the insulation program wasn’t as bad as people made out, given the size of the program there wasn’t really much difference in the problems per installation as compared with normal operations.

      Where we really have wasted money is in defence:

      6 multi-billion dollar submarines that barely float.  I mean cripes did we fit them with fly wire screens or something?

      Multi-billion dollar landing docks that don’t work

      Multi-billion dollar Sea sprites that don’t work

      Multi-billion dollar aircraft i.e. F-35 that we haven’t even seen yet

      A war in Afganistan that we are losing despite billions thrown at it.

      If you add it all up and work out your share you will have a heart attack.

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      02:16pm | 07/09/11

      James if you want me to vote labor put up a viable candidate like say- winnie the pooh, bear of very little brain. he would be better than they have there at the moment

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      11:52am | 08/09/11

      I don’t want you to vote Labour, I want people to look at both Liberal and Labour parties in an calm and rational manner… and then vote for someone else.

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http://t.co/Zq0nGxkf nice pic of Thredbo this morning

Paul Colgan

@seamus yeah it's now called Smooth or Soft or Douchey Dad FM or something

Paul Colgan

It's a Sydney thing, but 95.3FM... Why? It used to be all Bohemian Rhapsody and Walk this Way; now it's Father to Son and Country Road. Wah.

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