Much has been made of the tasteless descriptions of Prime Minister Julia Gillard on placards at anti-carbon tax rallies. Tasteless they are. They are also not really a world away from the descriptions used by our former prime minister Kevin Rudd to convey his toxic disregard for his successor.

Then I'll grab Shorten by the neck and throttle him…Photo: Ray Strange

Since losing the job in a swift and brutal coup just over 12 months ago, Rudd has been less than circumspect in his contempt for Gillard, at times in very public settings where he has gone out of his way to run her down to anyone who will listen.

When Julia Gillard seized the leadership last year, despite the role of the factional heavies, she took personal ownership of the decision to move against Rudd, memorably declaring that his was “a government which had lost its way”. Maybe it had, but in relative terms, it’s hard to see where that assessment leaves her government. A government which has lost its way, both its paddles, and has capsized its barbed-wire canoe in the deepest recesses of shit creek.

For several months now the polls have shown a sustained decline both in Labor’s primary vote and the approval rating of the prime minister. At the same time support for Kevin Rudd as alternative Labor leader has remained solid or grown, reaching its most dramatic illustration with yesterday’s poll in the Fairfax press showing the return of Rudd would put Labor in a position where it could hold off Tony Abbott.

Polls come and go but this one has the potential to be hugely important. It’s the kind of result which seeps into the psyche of politicians, all of whom are motivated at their core by a desire to win. This poll has already got them talking and could yet see them acting.

Yet it is eminently debatable whether Kevin Rudd is the saviour of the ALP. The first challenge the party would have under his return goes to unity. For Caucus to embrace Rudd after dumping him so recently and unceremoniously would set a new standard for collective pride-swallowing. Conversely, given Rudd’s well-documented disgust not just for Gillard but for the so-called faceless men who knocked him off, it is highly likely that Rudd’s return would precipitate a wave of payback in which some of the most powerful and potentially dangerous party figures would be put to the sword.

Fresh from heart surgery, and merrily talking up the quality of his ticker, Rudd can barely disguise his delight at Gillard’s daily awkwardness with the procession of rotten polls. The word smug does not do it justice, and seeing this smugness manifest itself in a round of retribution across the frontbench could set up the party for a protracted bout of public blood-letting.

There is also a live question as to how the public would actually respond to Rudd’s return. That might sound weird given that the polls show he is preferred leader over Gillard. But voters are a funny lot and there is a chance their reaction to Rudd’s return in theory may be different from their reaction to Rudd’s return in practice.

Plenty of voters could change their tune; you can imagine the Opposition having a field day trolling through the transcripts and digging up every quote from every MP about how the government has lost its way last year, not to mention the many narky criticisms of Rudd’s precious and explosive personal style. For an elected government to have gone from Rudd to Gillard and back again in the space of less than 18 months may end up pointing more to desperation than anything, and the polls could swing back in an unpleasant direction.

The other thing which could drive the polls south is Rudd’s handling of the two biggest policy headaches afflicting the Government – the carbon tax and border protection. Given his record as prime minister on both those issues it is extremely difficult to see how Rudd could negotiate a credible path forward, were he to return as PM. The problems Gillard has on these two issues are problems which began under Rudd.

On climate change, we very nearly had an emissions trading scheme to deal with what Rudd was calling the greatest moral challenge of our time. After its failure in the Parliament the ETS was summarily and indefinitely shelved in an act of political cowardice which in policy terms did more than anything to seal Rudd’s fate.

On border protection, Rudd was also seriously guilty of inconsistency, running on a campaign of greater compassion at the 2007 election only to toughen his stand dramatically at the start of last year when he unilaterally froze new asylum applications from Sri Lankans and Afghanis. The lurching from left to right on this issue over the past 18 months has fed into base level support for the Greens and the Coalition. It is hard to see what tack Rudd could take on his return to end the vacillation which started on his watch as PM.

On paper then the return to Rudd is the most sensible option and possibly the least workable, even though the party is currently not just staring down the abyss, but in it.

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    • Mohammas says:

      06:41am | 13/09/11

      The Hon K Rudd is a dangerous egomaniac for Australia.

      How else can you describe a person who likes the grand international stage. He has started organizing a Summit Conference of Senior Diplomats and Academics to talk about China and the forthcoming Leadership changes in China.

      Given his professional life as a Diplomat does he not have any common sense and realize that he is Australia’s FOREIGN MINISTER and not a distinguished professor from ivory tower. How can he organize such a talkfest without asking the Chinese Govt first and getting their support? What does he hope to achieve in organizing such a Summit Conference other than an opportunity for him to do a grand stand?

      How should Australia react if the Chinese Foreign Minister organizes a Summit Conference to talk about Australia and have a special session on the problems of the PM Gillard and her conflicts with the FM K Rudd?

    • Nathan says:

      07:16am | 13/09/11

      @Mohammas

      “How can he organize such a talkfest without asking the Chinese Govt first and getting their support?” I ask why do they need their support exactly? The chinese do what they want anyway

      The purpose of the meetings its to do with how different countries will be effected by the change of leadership. Yes it would be nice to have them their but not essential and we dam well do not need to ask for permission.
      As far as what he hopes to achieve i think its pretty simple really an understanding of what different leaders are thinking so planing can take place.

      Lets bury our head in the sand and think that it won’t effect us that will work

    • BobM says:

      07:45am | 13/09/11

      @Mohammas, maybe he just wants to ratf#ck them. His words, not mine!

      And besides, I don’t think China would give a toss about anything their Australian ‘quarry’ comes up with.

    • L. says:

      08:05am | 13/09/11

      Nathan says:
      “As far as what he hopes to achieve i think its pretty simple really…”

      Yes, another useless, mean nothing, 20:20 style waste of time and money.

    • dovif says:

      08:19am | 13/09/11

      The fact that Rudd is prefered to Gillard as PM does not mean very much. The fact is, if it was an opinion poll between me and Gillard as preferred PM, I would win in a landslide too, the only people who would not beat Gillards are Swann, Thomson, Neal and some people in jail,

      It is not media bias, it is lying, incompetence, backstabbing and crappy management

    • HeatherG says:

      09:16am | 13/09/11

      Yes.

      The trouble with the “Rudd solution” is that Gillard was right: Labor was a disaster under Rudd. The difficulty is, it is so much worse under Gillard that they’re getting to the point where they want the old days of “merely bad” back.

      Labors issue’s are not going to be solved by a simple leadership change, as their problems are deeper rooted than that—the issues are deep within the party itself, and those need to be addressed if Labor has any chance of dragging itself back.

      Removing Rudd was simply pulling a band-aid off a weeping sore. Under Gillard, it’s infected. Putting the bandaid back on is not going to solve the problem of the rotting underneath. Labor needs to look at itself, long and hard, and get back to the people that it is supposed to serve. At the moment, Labor is only trying to serve itself. For a political system like Australia’s to work, both parties need a bit less self-interest. Unfortunately, there’s problems on both sides with this.

      And when Labor started to serve the Greens (who at best only maintain 12-15% of the primary vote), the rot became more apparent. Rudd can’t solve that—Brown has stated his “deal” was with Gillard.

      Rock. Hard place. One way or the other, Labor’s screwed itself.

    • james hunter says:

      09:36am | 13/09/11

      Given his caree as a diplomat he is too used to telling people what he thinks they want to hear not what they need nor what he actually believes.
      Just like a politician on androgens.

    • Peter T. says:

      10:48am | 13/09/11

      Rudd is more than an egomaniac; he is a psychopath. Grab any book on the characteristics of a workplace psycho and he ticks most, if not all, of the boxes. And people want him to be PM again? Scary!

    • Mohammas says:

      10:53am | 13/09/11

      @ Nathan says:  07:16am | 13/09/11

      I am trying to point out how inept he is as a Foreign Minister on this issue. If he is smart and wants to hold such a Conference to talk about China he should ask a friendly Professor from a good university to do so and asks to be invited to give a keynote speech. Then quietly he can ask some of his friends like Hillary Clinton, Ban etc to take part. But the press report on this initiative of his says clearly he is doing the organizing.

      Tell me how would you react if the Chinese Foreign Minister organizes a similar meeting on Australia and a key theme of such a Conference is to talk about the problems of the PM Gillard with the voters and the problems between FM Rudd and PM Gillard. I think most Australians will think China is an imperialist power and get pissed off.

    • Luke says:

      02:48pm | 13/09/11

      Rudd (or any other new Labor leader if Gillard gets the chop) would need to dump the carbon tax as their first policy commitment, otherwise it will be just like shuffling deckchairs on the Titanic.  Any Labor leader forcing this unwanted piece of greenie rubbish on us will be doomed to fail spectacularly.

    • Temerarious says:

      04:11pm | 13/09/11

      It is common knowledge that the Chinese had much more respect for Howard than they ever did for Rudd. They didn’t give a flying frack that Mr Sheen spoke Mandarin or that he had served in Beijing. They knew where Howard stood on issues and that was more important than anything to them. The only thing that Rudd will achieve from this talkfest is to make the Chinese even more wary of him.

    • Mark says:

      09:16am | 14/09/11

      @ temerarious

      It is ? Who told you that ?

    • Mark says:

      02:00pm | 14/09/11

      @ temerarious

      Just as I thought. Now I know why you have no idea.

    • Gregg says:

      06:45am | 13/09/11

      Yep Penbo, it is very easy to think of canoes and very apt descriptions for this lot we now call a government and you do sum it up quite beautifully with what follows
      ” For Caucus to embrace Rudd after dumping him so recently and unceremoniously would set a new standard for collective pride-swallowing. “

      It is probably not beyond the faceless men and their followers doing anything and attempting to justify it to retain power but as popular as Rudd may appear according to the polls and I just wonder how someone so incompetent and egotistical can be seen on a pedestal, I doubt as you say that anything will save Labor.

      Rudd got the country heading into the mess we have and Gillard with her apprentice chefs have just been over stirring the brew whilst forgetting that heat will not only overcook but have the pot bubbling over.

      At worst, only a couple of years to go.

    • Mickey T says:

      09:23am | 13/09/11

      @ Gregg - “Rudd got the country heading into the mess we have”

      Why don’t you elaborate on “the mess” Gregg….what mess exactly? All of the current indicators don’t seem to back your claim. Last quarter growth better than predicted, unemployment holding steady, interest rates lower than they were under a Howard led LNP government, record levels of foreign investment, overall our economy seems to be humming along very nicely. Perhaps it is you Gregg that is in a mess?

      The only mess I can see on the horizon would be if Abbott and Hockey were holding the purse strings, god help Australia if that ever became a reality.

    • dovif says:

      10:20am | 13/09/11

      Mickey T

      All the indicator are good because of the state of the economy left to us by the Liberals.

      The ALP have wrecked the budget, stuffed up the stimilus (RBA told them to not do too much too quickly and China would save us, Swann choose to not listen), stuffed up asylum seeker, stuffed up cattle,

      We need people with the ability to manage stuff to manage the economy

    • Peter T. says:

      10:50am | 13/09/11

      Get a dose of reality Mick T. The growth to which you refer has nothing to do with Labor. It is purely and simply a result of Australia getting over the devastations of the past couple of years. Labor did not make the banana trees in QLD grow again!

    • Mattb says:

      11:10am | 13/09/11

      Mickey t

      Please don’t challenge greggy’s pessimistic, negative view of the nations position. It’s all people like Gregg have got, what would they have if there was nothing to whinge about?, they’d have to use their narrow minds to come up with a constructive narrative, and shit, that’s all too hard, easier just sticking to complaining about fuck all….

    • Maree says:

      11:42am | 13/09/11

      Gregg: Agree. The only reason Rudd has the polls at the moment is that juliar is so toxic. !4 months ago Rudd’s popularity was only a little better than jjuliar current popularuty. Interesting nothing much has changed, same incompetence, same excessive wasting tax payers money to solve problems. If it were not for the advice of good public servants and a responsible reserve bank, this government does not have a clue. Not a professional money manager amongst them.

    • MICK says:

      03:47pm | 13/09/11

      Mickey T - Umm actually No - You are wrong. With Labor we have record levels of debt ($200Bn+) . Record levels of borrowing (Yes still $100M per day). Record levels of waste (Batts, asylum, Set top boxes, BER). AND interest rates were actually, on average much lower under the Libs AND unemployment hit 3.8% in Feb 2008. And by the way, your foreign investment claim is bollocks. It now the lowest its been in 7 years. Gregg, you got it right mate.

    • Mark says:

      07:08am | 13/09/11

      One thing you forgot to mention Penbo, is that (And I think it was Kevin said this) you are voting for the party, not the person. This was made clear to the public when he was booted.

      As popular as kevvy is in his seat in Brisbane, people need to remember that tough lesson and the same applies to the Libs.

    • stevem says:

      10:12am | 13/09/11

      It may be true that an individual votes for the party, not the leader. This is not the whole story, however. A large portion of the electorate has the avoidance of a fine as the sole reason for voting. They take no interest in politics or the running of the country on a day to day basis.

      The leader, for those people, represents the party and all it stands for. It is the leader and their image of competence. or otherwise, that influences the way they vote more then the nitty gritty of the policies. The leader of a party has far more influence on how people vote then you give credit for.

    • L. says:

      11:53am | 13/09/11

      “The leader, for those people, represents the party and all it stands for. It is the leader and their image of competence. or otherwise, that influences the way they vote more then the nitty gritty of the policies. The leader of a party has far more influence on how people vote then you give credit for. “

      Then that is the fault of the fine avoiding, dissinterested, apathetic voters, not the system.

    • Brett says:

      01:33pm | 13/09/11

      L.
      “Then that is the fault of the fine avoiding, dissinterested, apathetic voters, not the system. “

      as much truth as your comment has, the reality is just that which stevem describes. The average Australian only see’s the leader, and only understands ploicy to a depth that can be explained in a 30 sec commercial or comment. The person is the party to the average voter.

    • Bris Jack says:

      07:09am | 13/09/11

      Mischievous Libs, next time we are polled on preferred Prime Minister we had better say Gillard instead of Rudd. The pollsters don’t seem to get our joke.

    • Super D says:

      07:32am | 13/09/11

      My view is that the poll was a spontaneous nationwide piss-take.

    • Wag the Dog says:

      09:26am | 13/09/11

      Must of us would tick Krusty the Clown as preferred PM over Gillard, that’s my guess.

    • Northern Steve says:

      07:15am | 13/09/11

      I’d like to see Rudd back - but I’d want the ALP party room and MPs’ offices to have cameras I stalled like in Big Brother so that the whole nation could enjoy what follows. The Roman Circus would be tame by comparison.

    • onlooker says:

      07:21am | 13/09/11

      I want Kevin Rudd back and I am not alone when you look at the polls but what a job to place on anyone, repairing Gillards stuff ups. I don’t really care if the Labor caucus get along with Kevin or not, that is their problem, unfortunately they made it ours when their petty spite got him ousted. If they want to continue on this terminal path for Labor they can do it alone and vote for themselves because no one else will be voting for them

    • jo says:

      09:56am | 13/09/11

      ONLOOKER,  I also don’t really care if the Labor caucus get along with Kevin or not,  The Labor caucus, have to much power, and need to be knocked of their pedestals. for the good of Australia.

    • sonny says:

      07:22am | 13/09/11

      I tell you what - being a good Liberal voter at every point when asked I state that I think that Rudd would make a better PM. When asked by the Gallop poll lady the other week - same answer. Instability. How many mjore are saying the same just to cause merriment and disruption?

    • dovif says:

      08:23am | 13/09/11

      I say Gillard everytime, why would you want Rudd, when we have Gillard exactly where we want the ALP to be.

      Gillard is the worst PM in Australian history, we want her to take the ALP to the next election. I am giving her a + in satisfaction rating if I am polled. ie keep going the inept and incompetant way

    • Brian Taylor says:

      10:36am | 13/09/11

      @ Nathan, Julia Gillard offered much more than her arse, she bent backwards and offered her soul.

    • Steve Putnam says:

      09:54pm | 13/09/11

      @ dovif So you want someone who you see as an incompetent to stay as PM so the Liberal Party has a better chance of winning the next election(?) On that reckoning you are purely and simply an idiot who considers the interests of your country and its people to be secondary to your own ideological convictions.
      Do you realise what a fool you’ve made of yourself? No, you probably don’t, do you?

    • Nathan says:

      07:24am | 13/09/11

      hahaha attempt to hold power. As if the Lib’s are not the same with getting into power, with an opportunist Like abbott. They are both as bad as each other in this example. Call me a lefty if you want but do you really think a guy who consider offering his ass wouldn’t act in his own self interest. Its called politics wake up

      Both parties offer 0 talent but it looks like we will have one of those really nice charitable conservative Christians in charge, they are such nice people.

    • Mary Gill says:

      10:28am | 13/09/11

      I believe that the quote you apply to Abbott and quoted in the media was a downright lie and never happened.  Gillard (like a lot of politicians) would give just about anything to stay in power but Labor in particular seems to be full of those with self-interest as their only motivation, on top of a complete lack of any idea of how to formulate or implement effective government policy.  This current government is doomed - with Gillard, Rudd or anyone else from their ranks as PM.

    • jb says:

      07:28am | 13/09/11

      I would think facing certain doom the faceless men would rather insert Rudd to face the electorate as I doubt there is anyone else that would want to take the risk heading to the polls and obliterating their political aspirations.
      Hang Rudd out to dry have him lose an election ligitimatly, tell him so, be rid of him for life and have their love child Shorten take the helm…

    • Nafe says:

      11:31am | 13/09/11

      But its a gamble. If Rudd some how won an election (not inconceivable against Abbott who really isn’t popular to women voters) They would be stuck with im forever.

      I personally would love to see Rudd there and show some of these so called power brokers that they are not so powerful.

    • BobM says:

      07:40am | 13/09/11

      Rudd or Gillard - it doesn’t really matter. Labor is a spent force now, as the next election will show.

    • Seth Brundle says:

      01:16pm | 13/09/11

      My thoughts exactly.  There is nothing they can do and I don’t find Rudd any more confidence inspiring than Gillard.

    • Tony of Poorakistan says:

      02:25pm | 13/09/11

      At least Krudd didn’t get parachuted into a safe seat years ago by blowing union secretaries….

    • Hyper-bowl Julia says:

      08:05am | 13/09/11

      I think we the unwashed might be suggesting that out of these two peculiar people, we merely prefer Rudd to Gillard, (which is a huge insult to Gillard). The general public would probably prefer an opportunity to rid our government of both of them as quickly as possible.Until Labor disconnects itself from union over-influence (and the thuggery associated with them), they will continue sinking further into their mire.  There’s no logic behind Labor’s habitual endorsing of unionists, most of whom are back-stabbing bullies recruited from very narrow backgrounds.
      The only thing Rudd did of any use whatsoever was jam his foot on the necks of Labor’s beloved union hacks.
      And what about the dynamics of Rudd’s control freaking ego scraping up against king-maker Bob Brown’s position as the unelected shadow PM. Gillard crawled to the Greens, and look where it got her.
      Neither of these two clowns (Rudd or Gillard) display the maturity, stability, dignity or intellect to represent the highest office in Australia.

    • Tell It Like It Is says:

      08:16am | 13/09/11

      A leopard does NOT change his spots whatever else twitter might tell us! I cannot think of anything more depressing - and it is very depressing in Oz politically - except to have Rudd boomerang on us, right in the middle of the skull of the nation!  Moving forward….

    • Seamus says:

      08:16am | 13/09/11

      Elegantly summed up Penbo !  One comment, ‘tho.  Journos keep referring to the ‘faceless men’ behind KRudd’s overthrow.  I think the word should be gutless, personally.  Maybe even invertebrates - no spine.

    • Kurisu Sonsaku says:

      08:29am | 13/09/11

      I say bring back Rudd, what the country really needs right now is a foul mouthed, micromanager, narcissist wax muncher to lead the alp to a historical electoral demolition.

    • Gary says:

      08:41am | 13/09/11

      Rudd would make no difference. He would be Leader for 5 mins and then we would all be reminded of his show pony, UN ambitions, photo op’s at church rah rah rah and all the rest of him we so quickly got sick to death of.
      Labor are doomed no matter who their Leader is.

    • Moving Forwards says:

      02:09pm | 13/09/11

      Absolutely. It’s not the people but the policies. Pink batts, BER, set top boxes, union influence, redistribution of wealth from the productive elements of society to the non productive ones. A few weeks back the list of legislation that was going to be introduced this term was read out. Every single one would have a negative effect on business (ie jobs). Let’s not forget that like it or not : business builds sustainable jobs, not hand outs or government programs. Increased super levels are coming, mining super tax, carbon tax, paternity bonus and the list goes on. None of these build the productivity of our nation and that my friends is what we need. Sorry : but Gillard, Rudd or any of the other union hacks won’t make a difference. Reward the hard workers, make it easier, not harder, to employ people and then you end up with a booming economy like Brazil.

    • James says:

      04:25pm | 13/09/11

      @Moving Forward - actually business builds sustainable profits, not jobs. Look at the US at the moment, corporate profits are booming and yet they’re not creating jobs. And that shouldn’t be a surprise, business has only 1 obligation and that is to return money to shareholders, there’s no obligation at all to hire people. A recent study has shown that small business is particularly bad at job creating and also is the first to contribute to unemployment when conditions become tough. So please, don’t go on about trickle down economics and ‘what’s good for business is good for the nation’ it’s utter garbage.

      As for pink batts, given that it has been shown to have contributed to a reduction in electricity consumption, therefore saving households money that they can spend on discretionary items, is that not good for the economy. Again, don’t attack the policy itself because the implementation of it wasn’t properly managed. And remember, it was the private sector that actually did the ripping off of the government, the government’s greatest sin was not to assume that business would automatically try to rip it off.

      Productivity has as much, if not more, to do with government investment in infrastructure as it does with IR (in fact, IR reform has been shown to have negative effects on the economy). Having huge budget surpluses by not investing the money is like having lots of money in the bank when your house if falling down around you from disrepair.

    • hot tub political machine says:

      08:42am | 13/09/11

      “it is highly likely that Rudd’s return would precipitate a wave of payback in which some of the most powerful and potentially dangerous party figures would be put to the sword.”

      True enough. However I fail to see the downside….

    • Anna C says:

      08:45am | 13/09/11

      I think self preservation will win out eventually with Labor politicians and they will have to re-install Kevin Rudd into his rightful place regardless of how unpleasant it might be for them.  Sure Kevin is insufferable and an egomaniac but he is their best bet at the next election. Julia Gillard is a dead woman walking.

    • Dude in Bris says:

      08:52am | 13/09/11

      Interesting. So replace one massive failure with a lesser failure.

      The ALP is finished and their loony support base better wake up.

    • satyrical says:

      09:04am | 13/09/11

      If its true that “A country gets the leaders it deserves”, then what terrible and misguided thing did we all do?. Election time is just a time to be forced into voting for the inept, incompetent, and the totally misguided. Some choice!.

    • Direct says:

      11:23am | 13/09/11

      What terrible thing did we do? It’s pretty obvious, the vast majority voted for Howard at least one too many times.

    • AdamC says:

      09:05am | 13/09/11

      Labor’s problem is policy, not personalities. What killed Rudd were his twin taxation vices, the ETS and the mining tax. He was forced to drop the former (which killed his credibility) and clung like a limpet to the latter as it became more and more toxic. His dumb-idiot approach to asylum seekers also didn’t help.

      Julia Gillard was right when she said the government had lost its way. The problem is she never fully changed the direction. She was wrong to lie (or go back on her word) about the carbon tax but, even if she hadn’t, it would still be a flea-bitten dog of an idea in a context in which cost of living pressure is the issue du jour. The status of the mining tax seems unclear at present, though it is at least dormant for now. And, the only area in which Labor has broken with the past, boatpeople, has been turned into a catastrophe because of Gillard et al’s obtuse insistence on not adopting Coalition policy.

    • greg says:

      09:08am | 13/09/11

      Ultimately, Rudd is responsible for the mess we have been in. 

      It is only fair that the electorate would want to have his nose rubbed into it.

    • john says:

      09:40am | 13/09/11

      “Ultimately, Rudd is responsible for the mess we have been in.”


      ...so are the people that got sucked in to vote for him. The jingle mantra “kevin07” reeled in the ocker bogan masses,hook,line & sinker just like “yes we can” for obama, seems to fly in the face of reality.. oh oh we just realised “no we can’t”.

      http://thingsboganslike.com/the-full-list/

    • andye says:

      10:51am | 13/09/11

      @john - So when they swing towards the right (as the polls indicate) are they still stupid bogans then? Or perhaps they magically change into rational voters when they agree with you?

    • andye says:

      01:41pm | 13/09/11

      @john - I didn’t vote Labor. Either way, Labor are well before the Libs in my list.

    • JCQ says:

      04:03pm | 13/09/11

      @andye - You did vote Labor. If you put them 2nd last and Libs last, your vote went to Labor. Dont kid yourself, you are part of the rusted on partisans.

    • Shane says:

      04:19pm | 13/09/11

      @Greg

      What “mess” is that ? Australia is in great shape. Record wealth, record employment, low interest rates, low inflation, and billion dollar long term contracts being signed almost every day. If Kevin Rudd’s responsible for that, then we all owe him a debt of thanks.

    • andye says:

      05:41pm | 13/09/11

      @JCQ - I have voted Labor before. The reason I didn’t this time is because they seemed to be becoming more like the Liberals. Gay marriage policy was a good example of an issue where they didn’t give me an alternative. Before the Greens deal Labor appeared to be moving right on a number of issues. Boat people and so on.

      You can call me “rusted on” or whatever the hell that means, but really I am not happy with what I am hearing from the Libs under Abbott. The NBN is a good example. I am in technology and know enough to understand that a lot of the arguments that were being presented against were, well, bullsh**. He associated himself with the corporate shill Monckton on carbon whilst quietly putting together a (hopeless) policy to meet the exact same targets. He is managing to say completely conflicting things to different groups to keep them happy.

      I am not sure I want any of them. Can we have Keating back? He was a man of conviction. I would vote for him.

    • El presidente says:

      09:12am | 13/09/11

      Ok, how about dumping both parties. Abbott is a idiot and the liberals do not have a true leader. Still lost in the wilderness. Labor? God help us.
      Vote for me and my Lala land party!
      .. Ban stamp duty on houses under 900,000. Kill Negative gearing. Its not even legal in most countries. There, house market will come good and make boomers sell there fat nest eggs. Rental market market will come good. Up GST a small amount and TAX the Mining industry with a super Tax to fix our country for the future generations. Have you seen their profits from our land?? Drop Uni fees to ZERO for Australians just as the Boomers had in their time.
      I could go on, but I here gun fire outside in my banana plantation.

    • Steve Lucas says:

      09:58am | 13/09/11

      You’ve got my vote Presidente.

    • Levi says:

      10:44am | 13/09/11

      If your going to tax miners you might as well tax the banks too. And any other large company for that matter. Just saying

      You run the risk of rewarding underachievers (manufacturing) and penalising success stories (BHP, Rio etc.)

    • Bernie says:

      10:46am | 13/09/11

      ‘Ban stamp duty on houses under 900,000…’ So the price of housing immedatley increases making housing affordability even worse.  ‘Kill Negative gearing…’ So reducing rental supply and thereby increasing rents. ‘Its not even legal in most countries…’ So what has another country’s laws got to do with us?  Your numbnut ramblings, similar to the poorly thought-out ALP policies creating unintended consequences, are on show here for all to see.  You toss in the flippant line of ‘Abbott is a idiot and the liberals do not have a true leader…’ without any supporting argument, again showing what sort of a shallow thinker you are.  Like a baby.

    • ShamWow says:

      09:12am | 13/09/11

      Time for some fresh blood in Australian politics.

    • David says:

      09:12am | 13/09/11

      Rudd would be popular for a day and then it would be back to arrogant Rudd and all the same shit he was up to before.
      The same goes with Turnbull, if the Libs changed back to him it would be good for a day and then it would be all about Ozcar, Gretch and his arrogance, in the media again.

    • C1 says:

      09:25am | 13/09/11

      I would love to see all of the caucus standing behind their man “Kevin’ if he came back.

      The public dispalys of loyalty, he is the best man to lead us forward, blah blah blah - how can you believe them.

      I am sure many of those in the Labor Party must cry themselves to sleep at the sheer frustratrion of the situation they are in.

      I doubt the ‘faceless men’ men would do that for as the old saying goes- ‘the eyes are the window to the soul!’

    • Charles says:

      09:27am | 13/09/11

      I actually want the Libs to take over so Abbott can make an even bigger mess of everything. He never actually comes with any solutions - just cheap criticism. I’m so sick of the bias in media agaisnt labor; Liberals do nothing but promote the old wealthy people who own big business, at the expense of normal Australians. What a sad state of affairs in this country.

    • anne says:

      10:47am | 13/09/11

      I agree and I am a Labor voter. Abbott is such a cynical opportunist he makes Rudd look like St Francis. Where this will all end up is anyones guess but politics must start changing as the party systems in place now are surely failing. They are too old world for most thinking people today. We don’t have brand loyalty anymore and nor should we. Who is the best for the job is all that should matter. I am rethinking my voting choices and it hurts. We need new blood. I like El Presidente’s thinking too

    • Brian Taylor says:

      10:49am | 13/09/11

      promote the old wealthy people who own big business, at the expense of normal Australians…. a fool such as yourself fails to see that the wealthy old people actually make jobs for the normal Australians, or are you on the dole like a lot of labor suporters?

    • Bernie says:

      10:52am | 13/09/11

      Coupla points on this Charlie.  ‘He never actually comes with any solutions - just cheap criticism’  Wrong. Refer to the 2010 election campaign.  Criticism?  That’s an opposition’s job dimwit.  To oppose crap policies and hold the Govt to account.  You would support a man not doing his job would you?  Sick of the media bias agains Labor?  Refer to the 2007 leadup to the election, when the media was all for their man Rudd.  Forget that did you?

    • Anna C says:

      11:57am | 13/09/11

      “Liberals do nothing but promote the old wealthy people who own big business, at the expense of normal Australians.”

      While the Liberals may have their problems what exactly do you think the Labor Party have done for ordinary Australians? Apart from: spending our money like drunken sailors; misappropriating union members’ funds; mismanagement of our economy; lying; deceit; incompetence; open borders; corruption; sticking their snouts in the trough; ‘jobs for the boys’, what have they ever done for us?

    • gra gra says:

      11:12pm | 13/09/11

      @Bernie. You state that those who suggest that Abbott is a policy vacuum are wrong and you add, “Refer to the 2010 election campaign”. I must admit ignorance of any policies eminating from Abbott or any of his reluctant syncophants.
      Don’t duck the issue, (that would be an Abbottism), just give a title to his offerings from that time.
      We all, even you, know that he favored a carbon tax. We know that he was consumed by a return to Workchoices, and we know that he didn’t favor any consideration of women’s rights, so tell us what he had as his announced policies. Just a couple will do.
      His ‘job’ is not, as you suggest, to criticise. His ‘job’ is to present policies prior to an election and during a term of Opposition to present viable, beneficial alternative policies to the Goverment’s proposals, which policies would then have the effect of building the nation.
      Scaring away investment by lying and conniving for no other purpose than to get the top jop is not only unpatriotic but verging on treason.
      Don’t forget now, policy Bernie. Just policy. No running scared by abuse, just give us the truth as you see it regarding the Abbott policy bag. Okay?

    • F.W.G. says:

      09:31am | 13/09/11

      I don’t think if J.C. himself came along and offered to help out it would make a scrap of difference. The peole know the labor government stinks no matter who is in charge,this the worst government we have ever had, Whitlam included and thats saying somthing.

    • jim morris says:

      09:49am | 13/09/11

      The best thing about the entire debacle is that Ms Gillard is Australia’s First Female Prime Minister. It may even occurr to people that competency is more important than gender. It may even indicate why so many government departments affected by nepotism and gender tokenism are performing abysmally.

    • Stephen says:

      10:01am | 13/09/11

      Well observed. As a former Federal public servant, I assure you your words are wiser than you know. Particularly in areas of education and “social justice”. Sexism in particular is as rife as it ever was. It just swapped sides.

    • Frank Golding says:

      09:53am | 13/09/11

      Now let’s have a look at the Abbott/Turnbull situation.  Most people I talk to say that with Turnbull as leader, the Liberals would bolt in at the next election. But with Abbott it would go down to the wire in an election campaign where Abbott would have nowhere to hide on his policy vacillations, his Workchoices Mark 11 and other extreme views.

    • Marcus says:

      10:41am | 13/09/11

      Yep, a 58/42 result….Abbott is really struggling.

      The fact that Labor supporters are so desperate for Turnbull suggests the Liberals should NOT go back to him

    • BobM says:

      10:42am | 13/09/11

      @Frank - you’ve obviously been talking to your Labor mates. Liberal voters don’t want Turnbull - he’s simply Labor-lite. But keep dreaming, it’s not going to happen.

    • Steve Putnam says:

      09:58pm | 13/09/11

      @Marcus as Harold Wilson sagely observed: “A week is a long time in politics” Two years buddy, is an eon. You can quote all the poll results you want but they don’t mean jack shit.

    • Marcus says:

      09:53am | 13/09/11

      The big issue for Rudd IMHO is how blatantly and nakedly he has let his ambition for the top job (and contempt for Gillard) show. It’s simply too easy for his opponents in and out of the ALP to paint him as a disloyal backstabber who tore the government down just to get his own way.

      If he’d done a better job of being seen to take his medicine, his prospects would be alot better.

    • Lib says:

      01:42pm | 13/09/11

      Who did Rudd backstab again, sorry?

      I think he’s still bleeding.

    • hermes says:

      10:07am | 13/09/11

      I don’t believe most of the negative stories about Kevin Rudd; seriously, where did they come from? Goodness gracious, from those who deposed him. But didn’t they have vested interests in making him look bad to justify their actions? Besides, Gillard and Swan were in on all the decisions; frankly, I think most of the bad decisions were theirs. Just look at the history of Govt decisions AFTER Kevin Rudd was dumped; didn’t improve, did they? I think Kevin Rudd acted as a brake to Gillard’s stupidity, which has since flowered in a multitude of moronic policies. Surely if Rudd was the problem, things should have improved? I’d vote Rudd before Abbott any day, but I’d vote ANYONE rather than Gillard. Oh and I agree with you @Jim Morris…even though I am female.

    • optimist says:

      10:09am | 13/09/11

      I’d vote for Rudd again. If they brought him back and held an election straight away, they’d most likely beat Abbott and Co. Rudd could acknowledge his earlier failings, push through a stiffer resources tax and an ETS, and bring asylum-seeker processing onshore. The electorate would then have another few years to see that the sky hadn’t fallen in, and in fact they we were better off due to the resources tax. They’d then win back the disaffected progressive voters who’ve turned to the Greens, be set up for the next election, and I’d then vote for Rudd again.

    • hot tub political machine says:

      10:42am | 13/09/11

      I think your onto something with suggesting that Rudd could win should he lead again. I remember at the last election his very late, very brief entry to the campaign provided some of the best “cut-through” messages. Rudd’s opinions rung true – at a time when Labor was having serious trouble getting anyone to listen.

      One thing I find interesting in this nation is the tendancy to “group think” in the press gallery. Just after 2007 the “group think” was about what a brilliant campaign politician Rudd was (both for himself and when he ran Gallop’s campaign). The “group think” currently has changed to suggest 2007 was more an electorate fed up with Howard, In my opinion the truth is that both are factors. However because we have a press gallery with a strong herd instinct the forgotten fact that Rudd was a good campaigner is probably lost in the fog of time. Unfortunately, politicians pay undeserved attention to papers bought by a tiny minority of Australians than they do to the majority. So bet your bottom dollar the Labor caucus has also forgotten that the guy they don’t like is actually a good campaigner.

    • Cynic says:

      10:20am | 13/09/11

      It must be the under the under 35’s who vote for Labor, any one over the age of 35 should have more sense.

    • Jackie says:

      10:26pm | 13/09/11

      Strange, those I know who voted Labor are all aged 40-60

    • Brian Taylor says:

      10:21am | 13/09/11

      she took personal ownership of the decision to move against Rudd….
      Oh wasn’t that so good of her to do that
      she’d been planning for nearly a year to take control of the top job.
      Rudd has been less than circumspect in his contempt for Gillard…..
      hes not the only one showing contempt towards her, over half the country is doing it too and rightly so.
      Julia Gillard doesn’t deserve any respect
      Ahhh David, you must hate to wake up in the mornings to see what further mess Gillard has gotten herself into.
      enjoy it mate, its only going to get worse. lol

    • John Oh says:

      10:22am | 13/09/11

      Mr Rudd started this UN Global warming carbon tax in australia. He was out of favor due tp this and Julia got in and is making the same push.
      Of course Kevin isnt going to get re elected. If youre looking for a patsy, thats why youd change. The whole labor party is repsonsible for this farce. SACK EM ALL. And AXE the TAX.

    • Robert says:

      10:26am | 13/09/11

      New dog, old fleas. Doesn’t matter who leads Labor, now. It will suffer a similar fate to the last NSW Labor state government. I suspect that the Libs will be in power for a few terms after the next election.

    • Tiger says:

      12:25pm | 13/09/11

      Labor has lost direction thanks to its own spin, submerged its own hype and banished down the manhole with the Greens/Independents sitting on the lid ... destined to wander in the sewers where only the depth varies… they are a lost cause no matter who is at the helm

    • Holly says:

      10:26am | 13/09/11

      On no not another article on yesterdays confected news.

    • Harold O'Mara says:

      10:30am | 13/09/11

      The Liberal Party has a hell of a lot it’s people very busy posting comments on media websites, I guess they have plenty of money to spend in their desperation to tear down the government and crawl back to the treasury benches in the greenhouse. The plain fact is Australia is in VERY good economic shape, compared to the rest of the world. Just because the Mad Monk has been sucessful n his campaign of ‘fear and smear’ on Climate Change and the effects of the carbon tax, doesn’t mean the goverment should start shaking in it’s boots yet, we still have another two years before an election. By then the carbon Tax will be reality, people will be all ‘What the hell were we worried about?’ and Labour will romp home in a landslide! How gulible are the Australian voting public, when the man who would be the alternative PM says’, ’ you cant trust every word that comes out of my mouth’ and yet falls for his climate change denial spiel? Is it only Liberal leaders that can be forgiven for lying openly to the people, ala “Honest
      John” Howard , vis a vis the GST? Just watch how quickly they ram Work Choices back through the parliament if “MisterRabbit” gets his hands on the government benches again!  He was an utter failure as Minister of Health and he’ll be rubbish as PM, heaven help Australia if he ever gets the job, I for one will be emigrating to Zimbabwe!!!

    • Max, of Rocky says:

      11:31am | 13/09/11

      Start packing now, we don’t need you   8-)

    • BobM says:

      11:39am | 13/09/11

      Hello Howard from GetUp. How is your mate Craig Thomson going this morning? You don’t like Workchoices? Too bad, eh?
      And wasn’t it Julia Gillard who said ’ there will be no carbon tax under a government I lead’? You’ve got a short memory when it comes to liars, mate.
      Anyway, enjoy the rock you live under, tosser. Hope you like Zimbabwe!

    • Kurisu Sonsaku says:

      11:58am | 13/09/11

      It’s a bit early in the day to be drinking isn’t it?

      So you must be one of those rusted on’s riding the liebor trainwreck all the way.

    • Yuri says:

      12:46pm | 13/09/11

      It appears you’ve guessed wrongly about the Liberal Party money. There was a piece on the news last week or the week before at the Liberal Party conference and the speaker was going on about how memberships are down and the coffers are empty. So unless they found a new funding source, they aren’t paying their people to post comments on blog sites to talk down the Government. Much like the Labor Party are not paying you (I hope) to post this rubbish.

    • Mervyn Morris says:

      12:55pm | 13/09/11

      Harold, your memory is not good.  John Howard went to the polls proposing the GST, and won.  Julia went to the polls promising there would not be a carbon tax, and sort of won.  Five minutes later she gives us her plan for the carbon tax.  The polls show that we don’t like being sucked in.

    • Mark says:

      01:18pm | 13/09/11

      @ Harold

      I’m no Liberal staffer, heck I’m not even a member of the Liberal Party. What I am is a average family man with 3 kids under 10 yrs old. The average voter like myself is sick and tired of this government taxing this and taxing that and forcing the prices up on everything they touch. I vote liberal and will continue to do so because they look after the battler. I long for the days of the Howard / Costello government.  It’s a pity Costello retired because I would have loved to have him as prime minister. Having said that, I think Tony Abbott is the best person (in the current political landcsape) for PM because he is actually listening to the voters and developing policies accordingly. He is a family man like me and cares more for this country than Juliar and Kevin ‘11 ever will. The greens have been a toxic force in driving Labor downward and I cringe to think having to survive another 2 years with this government at the helm. Heaven help us. I can tell you if they keep going the way they are going then my family as well as a lot of others will be struggling ALOT more than we already are now. Bring on an election!!!! Please????

    • andye says:

      02:40pm | 13/09/11

      @Mark - So (as an example of a policy) you prefer to pay for the polluters to try to meet the carbon targets out of your own taxes, as opposed to taxing the polluters?

      That is going to help your family?

    • Kim says:

      04:36pm | 13/09/11

      @mervyn

      Is that the only reason you voted for Labor, Mervyn ?

    • Erick says:

      10:31am | 13/09/11

      Rudd looks good in comparison to Gillard. But then, so would a housebrick.

      Replacing Gillard with a housebrick or Rudd would cause a temporary boost in the polls for Labor - as did the original replacement of Rudd with Gillard. But that would soon wear off as voters realised it was still the same old Labor Party.

      However, as a tactic, there is a chance that replacing Gillard, followed by a snap election, just might allow Labor to scrape in yet again. Will the faceless men be desperate enough to take that chance?

    • Dan says:

      03:32pm | 13/09/11

      Probably not. A weak Government is better than Opposition.

      They’ll stick it out with Gillard. When it comes down to it, the bad polls don’t actually mean anything. It won’t be nearly as bad for Labor come election time (though that certainly doesn’t mean it will be good).

      They’ll stick with the gameplan (whatever that is), ride out storms like the Thompson affair, and hope the voters baulk at the idea of Prime Minister Abbott.

    • NicoleG says:

      10:39am | 13/09/11

      It would make no difference if they changed leaders. Come the next election, Labor are gone. Meh, leave Gillard exactly where she is. I’m really enjoying watching her self destruct.

    • Facts are not News Ltd Friend says:

      10:39am | 13/09/11

      Our country has shot up miles in terms of livability and economy, relative to others in the world. Whilst most of the world struggled through the GFC, the worst crisis since the Great Depression, Australia cruised. Economically, we have never been better off. The “mates rates” tax rates for miners are coming to an end, meaning more money stays in Australia rather than nearly all of our mineral wealth going overseas.  There are processes in place to reduce pollution and allow massive growth in clean energy solutions. Health system is improving and better than it was under Liberal, education too, infrastructure is better than it was.  The Liberal paid-for media have brainwashed a lot of the fact-ignorers though, with claims about how bad we are off, despite ALL key areas being better, and Australia having risen relative to the rest of the world.

    • Miles says:

      11:05am | 13/09/11

      Changing the figurehead does nothing - it’s still the same party.  The same powerbrokers and ministers who have come up with their ill-conceived and knee-jerk style policies remain.  When will people realise that?

    • John Oh says:

      11:09am | 13/09/11

      By the way, the way LABOR promised no CARBON TAX! Could you ever trust them with a promise again? Or even the Liberals who promised NO GST? Isnt it time for those polititicians who were voted in on policy, to become wholeheartedly reponsible for what they promised in their election campaign?
      These so called honorable members appear anyhing but honorable!
      You dont mind if I dont VOTE next time around?

    • Simon says:

      04:45pm | 13/09/11

      Not in the least, John. The fewer fools who vote the better.

    • Mother of two says:

      10:08am | 14/09/11

      Liberal’s didn’t promise no GST, they went to the election stating that they would be bringing in a GST.

    • Bob says:

      11:11am | 13/09/11

      KRudd is like a Born Again Christian, suddenly he has changed his spots. I don’t think so.

    • Scott says:

      11:12am | 13/09/11

      I was a Labour and Rudd supporter.
      I will never vote labour again until I have the chance to vote him in or out again.
      That democratic choice was taken away from me from people I did not vote for nor know.

      That is my right.

      Yes Rudd lost his way, yes we started hitting him in the polls hoping he would snap out of it - never got the chance.

      And now look at this mess we are in.

    • Douglas says:

      11:39am | 13/09/11

      A S*** soufflé does not rise twice.
      Whistle up a drover’s dog to put up any kind of fight to a hopeless Opposition.

    • Martin says:

      11:42am | 13/09/11

      Rudd more popular then Gillard? Who cares. The poll is media mischief and the participents are most likely all the political journalist in the country.
      Normal people did not forget that it was Rudd who took 165 people on a junket trip to Copenhagen, it was Rudd who gave away 10% of any carbon tax to the UN and that it was Rudd who screwd up the immigration policy.

    • Martin says:

      11:44am | 13/09/11

      These Labor clowns are a joke. Change to Gillard, not working change back to Rudd. It is all an afront to the voting public, taking them for granted and assuming that they are completely stupid. Thankfully, the polls are showing they are not, and this crappy Labor government is absolutely panicking, hence they are now considering the unthinkable..  If this was the Liberal party pulling these leadership stunts, we’d have all the Canberra press gallery blurting “instability” “no leadership” ‘hopeless”. However, because it is their beloved Labor party, oh no, it’s a brilliant move. The truth is that Labor is run by a bunch of greedy ex union jeks that only care about themselves. This faux concern for boat people, climate change and all the other bullshit Labor agendas are designed as nothing other than vote harnesses. Their cynical , grubby political methodology is transperant, they are serial liars, bullshitters and in many cases just downright weirdos.
      People have had enough of these disfunctional queers and they just want rid of them, who cares whether it’s Rudd or Gillard, goodbye is the only acceptable answer.

    • Tony says:

      12:19pm | 13/09/11

      Nice work Martin, I can tell with your language, your an angry man, I guessing you listen to Alan in the mornings, so when your ready to post this dribble you got something to type, I am thinking you got Alan to type this jibba for you, since you clearly not had original thought in many years, I am guessing as an Alan listener… you think his friend Tony has all the answers, ohh that’s right Tony, has no policy, no ideas, just a degree in whinging, I swear Tony was a pom in a previous life, Martin go paint some signs for your next carbon tax rally, I can so tell your one of those idiots, you might even get more than 1000 people at the next one !!!

    • John Oh says:

      01:00pm | 13/09/11

      I AGREE I didnt vote for union bosses!  Theyre clowns and charlatans and it seems fraudsters. I can see youre angry but why dont you say what you really mean? (grin!) At least dingo’s are known not to be trusted! These people are all you say!

    • Mervyn Morris says:

      11:54am | 13/09/11

      The Labor leadership has become a poisoned chalice.  Shorten was one of the faceless men who disposed of Rudd, probably thinking it advanced his leadership aspirations.  He helped put Labor into this much mess, he should help get them out of it.  It’s time to show his face and go for the leadership.  Farrell and Feeney can give him a hand.

    • MS says:

      11:56am | 13/09/11

      Bring Kev back and give him a chainsaw to take the heads off the faceless men it would be a huge win for the polls as the public get to see exactly what these sort of people deserve…it was UNAUSTRALIAN what happen to our PM and people do not forget that.  First on the list slime ball Arbib what a decent human being he is, full of honest values I’m sure

    • Shaun Newman says:

      12:05pm | 13/09/11

      David, sorry to say “you haven’t got a clue”.

    • Tony says:

      12:05pm | 13/09/11

      As lifelong labor voter, we will only win with Rudd, was always a mistake from day 1 replacing him, and clearly if it was him against Abbott, from what the polls are saying, the punters would go back to him, you libs posting here know deep down having Rudd back to expose the no ideas, no policy Abbott would be your worst nightmare, and If your a coalition MP from Queensland would be even worse, I think people outside of QLD have no idea what numbers Rudd can pull in, with swinging voters, if you know any history of QLD politics, they vote for a queenslander first, party second !!
      I see the ALP has little choice now, but to go back to the legitimate leader, the faceless men will come round in the coming months, and why? Because keeping your seat and eating some humble pie, is easier to do than been unemployed !!!
      Libs be very careful what you wish for

    • Peter says:

      12:09pm | 13/09/11

      Its a statistical certainty that the labor policy position will lead to their defeat regardless of the leader. The people didnt give them the popular vote, the minority voted for the greens. If you start from behind then back the 9% bronze medal winner you are going to win over about 25% of the voters. Its not a leadership issue.

    • RyaN says:

      12:26pm | 13/09/11

      Well we all know how Rudd treats women already don’t we. Objectifying women through attendance of a strip club on taxpayer money, abusing a military servicewoman for not getting the right meal and he certainly goes around abusing Julia because she is a woman.

    • jo says:

      01:02pm | 13/09/11

      Got anymore nit picking Kevin Rudd news to tell.  So its a crime now to visit a strip club, loosing his temper at a defencless military service women, horrors,  Abusing little innocent Julia because she is a woman,  how convenient to pull out the gender card.  As I remember It was Julia who backstabbed Rudd to be PM.  It is Julia who is abusing her power as PM to try to control the media, try to change the laws so she get get her own way. on this bad Malaysian Asylum Policy,

    • RyaN says:

      05:02pm | 13/09/11

      @jo: well do we really want a sexist, racist pig running the show. I mean he did call the Chinese delegates in Copenhagen a bunch of “fuc***g rat fu**ers”.

    • RyaN says:

      05:13pm | 13/09/11

      With all credits to Hunter S. Thompson.

      Kevin Rudd’s spirit will be with us for the rest of our lives—whether you’re me or John Howard or you or Heath Ledger or Nelson Mandela or Angus Young or Kim Duthie or Craig Thompson’s daughter or your fiancee’s 16-year-old beer-drunk brother with his braided goatee and his whole life like a thundercloud out in front of him. This is not a generational thing. You don’t even have to have known who Kevin Rudd was to be a victim of his ugly, misogynist spirit.

      He has poisoned our water forever. Rudd will be remembered as a classic case of a smart man shitting in his own nest. But he also shit in our nests, and that was the crime that history will burn on his memory like a brand. By disgracing and degrading the office of Prime Minister of Australia, by being thrown out by his party like a diseased cur, Kevin Rudd broke the heart of the Australian Dream.

    • Brisbane Bryn says:

      12:41pm | 13/09/11

      I generally think that the level of confusion regarding who is leading the country? where are the boat people going? do we really need a carbon tax, who is Craig Thompson anyway? why does Paul Howles have so much say? how much influence do the greens and the indis have?

      Im sure there are many more that people are asking.

      Tony Abbott doesnt have to do much, if he keep to one storey keep the infigting to a minimum.  People will follow a leader and respect a person who makes up their mind. Howard wasnt well loved but rightly or wrongly made leadership choices. Im not saying he didnt changed his mind because often he did.

      The government have nothing to lose they should get back to governing stop pleasing the extreme left and the indi and go down with some respect. When asked why did they lose ? Tell it how it really is…...

      I watched Nick Minchin on the ABC with Wayne Swann on election night and Nick Minchin told it how it was. Basically saying that he coalition are crap and need to improve.

      The ALP need to be a solid and respectable party for the sake of all Australians. We deserve better government.

    • Dan says:

      12:46pm | 13/09/11

      The movement for a change is certainly growing. The idea has definitely crossed the minds of the Labor heavies. A quick change and a snap election is a pretty simple short term solution, but it’s got nothing for the longer term.

      Labor needs to resign itself to defeat, and take Joe Hildebrand’s advice. Start reforming. Get old school. Push ahead with the carbon tax, and make some real change while they’ve got the chance.

      They’re staring straight down the barrel of two terms of opposition, under PM Tony Abbott. Start making the sort of change he can’t simply unwind within days of taking office.

    • thatmosis says:

      01:40pm | 13/09/11

      A government which has lost its way, both its paddles, and has capsized its barbed-wire canoe in the deepest recesses of shit creek.
      That comment alone must be worth an award of some type. Can I use it when asked about this abysmal, incompetant, lieing, wasteful Government.
      Put Krudd back in and show Australians and the world what a bunch of losers the ALP has become. We already know but we should let the rest of the world know so that they can learn from our mistakes. This is the first tiem in my long life that i have heard the theory that replacing one loser for another would win anything except Loser of the century.

    • Travis says:

      01:42pm | 13/09/11

      I was glad to see the back of the snivelling twat. Labour has its own problems which can only be resolved by an election, but to even think about bringing krudd back is purely comical at best.

      Labour don’t have a clue on the requirements for quality politicians as seen by the clowns they trail out - however the liberal party and greens have nothing better to offer.

    • red dog says:

      01:47pm | 13/09/11

      Labor is a success story from start to finish.Labor is the future and the Coalition is the past. Labor has female leaders whilst the Coalition only have male leaders.Labor is tomorrow. The Coalition is yesterday.
      As far as Labor goes, Labor never fails regardless of mass media wisdom,the, daily opinion polls indicators ,election poll results , and Coalition Trolls .Labor will win the next federal election on Sept 8 2013!

    • RyaN says:

      09:59am | 14/09/11

      I love your sarcasm, its awesome!

    • Michael says:

      01:56pm | 13/09/11

      Can someone please explain to me how Labor’s polling can possibly go up with the (re)installation of Rudd? To do so requires the Labor Party to AGAIN stick a middle finger up at the Australian public who elected (sort of ) Gillard at the last election, only now to dump her the same way they did to Rudd after he convincingly won the 2007 election.

      Memo to the Australian voter - the ALP doesn’t give a rats clacker what you think to do wtih your vote, they’ll do what they damn well please anyway., so how can you possibly like them more if they double cross you (AGAIN).

    • Tony says:

      02:41pm | 13/09/11

      easy answer to that Michael, because the polls say more than 50% of the country wants Rudd back and have for months !!, which is more than what Julia and Abbott got at the last election !!! (Hence hung parliament !!)
      Labor is bad right now..

      No doubt !!!!  but the alternative PM, has no policy, no economic experience, and is not trusted by Australians!!!, that’s what happens when you were used purely as a head kicker in the Howard gov and NOT given any portfolio of economic substance !!!! that’s now come back to haunt him !!, and for Big Joe..he is like Beazley was….love to have him at a BBQ but do not let him near treasury .........

      Abbott great opposition leader, not trusted to be PM !!!

    • Martin says:

      04:26pm | 13/09/11

      Michael, you are confused about who you are voting for. You are voting for a political party, NOT for THE PRIME MINISTER. The political party which wins the election SELLECTS a person the party WANTS to be a Prime Minister. The same applies to the Liberal or any other party. Gillard might talk like people voted for me, but she knows it’s BS.

    • Matt says:

      02:16pm | 13/09/11

      Kevin Rudd was the worst PM ever elected, and Julia Gillard is the worst PM never elected! 

      They both led the same incompetent government with the same inept policies and woeful management.  The last 4 years will go down in history as the worst government in Australias history, and it was only through the good economic management of Howard and Costello, that provided such a massive surplus, that has kept us with our heads above water.

    • James says:

      04:34pm | 13/09/11

      Matt, Costello was a good manager but Howard was atrocious - creating huge middle class welfare and creating a structural deficit through tax cuts. Howard had an amazing opportunity to invest in this country’s productive infrastructure. He didn’t do that. Instead, he gave the money to the well off and reduced the government’s ability to fund that benificence. Sydney still has no second airport, Newcastle terminal is a massive export bottleneck, these could have been the Howard government’s legacy but instead we have hand-outs to those who need it least. At least Costello managed to resist some of the worst of Howard’s excesses, but never credit Howard as a good economic manager, he was a disastrous Treasurer and poor PM economically.

    • Saskia says:

      06:39pm | 13/09/11

      James - hilarious.

      Give it up trollster.  Howard was a superb PM.

      Tell us why you love the ALP/Gillard/Rudd?  Come on.

      2007 called and wants its issues back - move on.

    • Dementer says:

      02:52pm | 13/09/11

      Rudd totally lost his way and was not right for Australia, Gillard stepped in and has been filling the shoes and has been showing great leadership ever since. She has made some tough choices and had to work through alot of issue left over from the previous Howard government. Abbott continual negative comments undermine the government and destabilies Australia

    • hermes says:

      06:47pm | 13/09/11

      Get back to work Julia.

    • Jackie says:

      03:48pm | 13/09/11

      There is so much discussion about Labor’s dealings with the Greens…but no mention of the fact that the Liberal and National parties have long been a coalition

    • jf says:

      04:11pm | 13/09/11

      So what’s your point?

    • Dodge says:

      04:56pm | 13/09/11

      The point is libs are just as much in bed with the far right (tea party style as evidenced by recent protests) as Labor with the far left.

      Given the propensity for the far right to essentially ignore knowledge, science and facts, it’s an utterly disturbing trend in Australian Politics. Hopefully the many people disenchanted with the current Government wake up and smell the coffee like moderates in the US are beginning to understand about their far right there.

    • RyaN says:

      05:25pm | 13/09/11

      @Dodge: you mean the very fact that to date there is still not one peer reviewed article that definitively proves a human marker in global warming?

    • jf says:

      05:53pm | 13/09/11

      The Nationals may be socially conservative but economically they have tended towards being agrarian socialists and protectionists and in that respect as much aligned with the Greens as any party.

      That said, their influence on the Liberal Party is proportional to their representation. It is also a formal, transparent coalition rather than this loose arrangement that exists whereby the Government must toe the line set by a disproportionate rabble.

      So far as the Tea Party, I am not aware of any such party in Australia other than historically One Nation which was formed by a woman chucked out of the Liberal Party (that is after how the Liberal Party deals with repugnant people within its ranks - Craig Thomson). 

      More recently there is of course Bob Katter’s Australia Party which was also formed by someone who fell out with the Liberal Party because they were more economically and socially progressive than he was comfortable with.

      I am not aware of anyone in the Liberal Party that is ignoring any science or any facts.

    • Dodge says:

      06:35pm | 13/09/11

      Oh your so quaint Ryan… Your productivity must be sky high with the time you spend on here rabidly posting your right-wing rhetoric. As far as your claim, I wholeheartedly agree, the science on HUMAN global warming isn’t final, but certainly enough for your beloved liberals to draft flawed policy… Not that we’ll see you post about that, but c’est la vie. My approach is one of caution.

      jf: No I would reject your premise on their influence. The right in Australia is currently synonomous with denial of science and expertise in an exercise in the application of the dunning-Kruger effect.  We even had MT come out and reaffirm his stance in the face of his fellow front benchers. How many economic recommendations can one party ignore? I suppose when the polls turn on them?

      Recent protests were largely about financial management far more aligned with the front the liberals present than your examples of them aligning with the greens. Joining forces with farmers against miners is hardly a basis for announcing their fiscal liberalism, though I’m impressed you tried.

      It’s transparent to the point where indeed, their ideals are closely matched to the Liberal party… There is no ‘national party agenda’, it’s the liberal/national party agenda. Hence the question being raised by another poster - they’re always mentioned in the same breath, not as seperate entities.

      The influence of the tea party on US politics is palpable, and its infiltrating this wonderful country. I’m glad you mentioned Hanson was a former Liberal, saved me some verbiage. Compare the day of action by the greens and the far right, the hatred, ignorance and stupidity of the placards and related material was yet another example of this infiltration of un-Australian ideals.

      Katter, another former Liberal (do you see a trend?) aligned his house vote with conservatives, so… What was your point?

      You are not aware of liberals ignoring knowledge and expertise (science and economics among others).... How many links would you like? I suggest further research.

    • Jackie says:

      10:23pm | 13/09/11

      Thanks Dodge - my point exactly smile

    • RyaN says:

      09:57am | 14/09/11

      @Dodge: let me translate your post, “I have no response to the truth so I am just going to post a whole bunch of personal attacks”.
      The truth is the truth Dodge, suck it up, there is no evidence of the sky fairy and hence building an entire policy of taxing people on a theory is both fraudulent and a barefaced lie.

    • RyaN says:

      10:07am | 14/09/11

      @Dodge: “Compare the day of action by the greens and the far right, the hatred, ignorance and stupidity of the placards and ” Dodge, nothing making you look so completely irrelevant and discredited as being a complete and utter hypocrite.
      Was one of these you Dodge?
      http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/en/doc/2003-10/23/content_274795.htm

    • Dodge says:

      11:17am | 14/09/11

      Is that the best you could come up with? A 2003 article, do you want to appear as simple as possible? You’re achieving high marks.

      I can feel your border-line retarded anger welling up champ. Even promoting my post via displaying willful ignorance of science.

      Anyway, I’m disappointed RyaN, your shilling is usually far more inventive.

    • RyaN says:

      02:16pm | 14/09/11

      @Dodge: you sound angry Dodge, is it because of your 23% support? I understand mate, its hard supporting such complete and utter incompetence with a straight face but really you shouldn’t let it get to you. You seem to be projecting a bit, tell me where it hurts Dodge.

    • jf says:

      08:05pm | 14/09/11

      Dodge says: 11:17am | 14/09/11

      “I can feel your border-line retarded anger welling up champ”

      “Champ”?

      Seano, you’re back.

    • CJS says:

      04:13pm | 13/09/11

      It is amazing how many of the people commenting are oblivious to the difference between “Labor” and “Labour” ...

    • Jackie says:

      10:31pm | 13/09/11

      Shall we also comment on the difference between “Liberal” and “liberal”?

    • Pom says:

      04:39pm | 13/09/11

      Time for a legitimate third party, Malcom?

    • Kath Grant says:

      06:07pm | 13/09/11

      You’re quite right Mr Penberthy - now let’s not talk about it any more.

    • yvette,surrey downs says:

      06:21pm | 13/09/11

      All year you have been blowing Julias bags and policies in my local messenger.Changed your tune now.Maybe i will see you blowing Tony Abbotts bags doubt it though

    • Saskia says:

      06:22pm | 13/09/11

      As many others have noted; Kevin Rudd is a dangerous psychopath who has done untold damage to our economy, our standing amongst peers (China, Japan, USA), and was responsible for the deaths of young men trying to earn a few extra bucks installing insulation. He was a foul mouthed control freak who was loathed by his own party, staff and anyone who misplaced his hair dryer.  He was sacked by his own party for being incompetent.

      Please note his Twitter followers as a recent example:  Most are ‘paid for’ followers based OS that either he or his staff paid for in order to make himself look like a’big man’ in front of Gillard etc.

      He is a liar, a narcissist, and Australia does not want this creep ever again.

    • MP says:

      08:25pm | 13/09/11

      Saskia you sound very certain of your ‘facts’.  Maybe you should explain how you know that Kevin Rudd has ‘paid for’ twitter followers (to use your quotation marks.)

      In a court of law, anyone who cannot substantiate a claim is considered a….liar.  Opps.
      Also… how are you sure Rudd;s a pyschopath?  Are u a psychologist?

    • jf says:

      06:24pm | 13/09/11

      The man buys twitter followers to boost his online cred.

      My kids are laughing and calling him a loser.

      How embarrassing for him.

    • Dark Horse says:

      07:08pm | 13/09/11

      Kevin Rudd is a has-been. If Labor is to replace Gillard, they need to try to find someone with the acumen to do the job; to listen to the electorate. You know, the people who vote for them and perhaps, even those of us who don’t.

      Putting Rudd back in the seat will only make the situation worse as everyone sees it as a desperate move to save a sinking ship.

    • Sean says:

      02:42am | 14/09/11

      I’d definitely believe that the Australia public could be that stupid, to vote for Labor yet again after they’re rained nothing but shit on this country for four years.

    • Polly Waffle says:

      08:31am | 14/09/11

      Nick Xenaphon unfortunately is an Independent Senator - he would run rings around Rudd and Gillard and a pity he can’t be Prime Minister.  And nick off Abbott!  Let’s start again.

    • male cheer labor party (cheers!)leader says:

      02:20pm | 14/09/11

      2011 -  Missed Kev 07
      2012 - bring back the Kev !!

    • Rick says:

      04:43pm | 30/09/11

      Kevin Rudd is unstable and a halfpenny short of a shilling ... in a serious national crisis he’d go to pieces.

 

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