You learn a lot about people when the pressure is on.

Asylum seekers aboard the Tampa in 2001.

Some interesting facts emerged recently about what really happened during those extraordinary four weeks last year when the Oceanic Viking abandoned our Patagonian tooth fish to become home to 78 Tamil asylum seekers.

During these events the debate raged about who knew what and when. Where would they go and on what terms? The answers to many of these questions came to light during recent questioning in Senate estimates.

Of greatest significance was confirmation that the Prime Minister knew nothing of the special deal done with the Indonesian Government to get the 78 Tamils off the boat. Remember, this was the deal that offered a 12-week guarantee of processing, with settlement to a third country. Most refugees seeking third country re settlement in Indonesia wait five years.

There would be English lessons while they waited and the Australian Government would proceed to spend every diplomatic favour they had to convince other countries to take them on.

The bottom line was that Australia had twelve weeks to get them out of Indonesia and we had to take full responsibility for every last one of them.

The decision to agree to this special deal was taken by the Border Protection Committee of Cabinet chaired by the Minister for Immigration. Representing the Prime Minister on this committee was his National Security Adviser, who we were told that he or his deputy attended every meeting.

This was the ‘bloke’ the Prime Minister referred to in Parliament last year, smugly saying “there is a bloke called the national security adviser…he answers to me”.

All of this turned very sour when a few weeks after they got off the boat, ASIO had given four of the passengers, now official refugees, an adverse security assessment. They had failed the security test.

Normally if someone is given an adverse security clearance by ASIO, that is where their conversation with Australia ends. But not this time. Because of the special deal, they were now our problem, we were bound to take them.

As confirmed by the Department secretary, the 12 week deadline was approaching and we had no option than to take them. As a result the National Security Committee approved a decision to transfer four people with an adverse security finding from Indonesia to Australia in mid December.

Not only had this never occurred before, it had certainly never occurred as a result of a special deal with a foreign government.

Last time something even remotely like this happened was when one of the last detainees on Nauru was transferred to Australia under the special ‘transitory persons’ provision created under the Migration Act. The adverse assessment was revised by ASIO and the individual was then provided a visa.

There can be no doubt that the special deal with Indonesia compromised our national security. We had a basic passenger manifest of the names of who was on board, but they could have said their name was Charlie Brown at that stage of the process. ASIO had been given no access to the individuals until after they had disembarked the vessel.

The Rudd Government basically signed up blind to take responsibility for people they knew nothing about. I’m torn between what is worse. Knowingly taking this blatant security risk, or failing to even think about it. It’s still not clear whether this was a sin of omission or commission.

What is clear is that our Prime Minister, who promised national security would come first, did not want to know anything about it. Not only was he not told, he did not seek to inform himself. He did not even discuss the terms of the special deal with his own National Security Adviser.

I simply can’t imagine John Howard absenting himself from a such key decision. In fact, he didn’t.

While there will be endless debate over the Tampa, John Howard did not sit cowering away in his office trying to avoid eye contact with his Minsters or security advisers for fear of having to make a decision. He didn’t seek to use a Cabinet sub-committee as a human shield for his own accountability.

John Howard took control of the Tampa situation, took action and the rest is history – the boats stopped coming.

When presented with a similar situation with the Oceanic Viking, Kevin Rudd blinked and the people smugglers got the message. Since then another 40 boats have arrived.

“I knew nothing”, as Mr Rudd boasted in the Parliament, is not what you want to hear from your Prime Minister when national security is at stake.

This is the real problem with Kevin Rudd and Labor when it comes to border protection. Their heart is just not in it. Instead they pretend to be one thing, while failing to be another.

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    • Kevin says:

      07:05am | 08/03/10

      Totally agree. Rudd is a complete failure as PM.
      Nothing he has touched has worked.
      Also, I went to the airport yesterday and saw a large number of Somalians coming in. I have noticed this on several different occasions.
      There seems to be a programme of some sort, bringing in people from the third world.  Has there been a vote by the Australian people about these invasions?
      In fact, everywhere in the Western world, there seems to be vastly increased immigration from the third world countries. Has any western population ever been asked about whether they want this? Has there ever been a vote about this particular subject?
      Has no-one seen what happened in the former Yugoslavia?
      It seems to me that there exists a process of setting up those precise conditions. Many different ethnicities and cultures being brought together in close proximity. Is this likely to result in peace and harmony?
      Is there a plan to break down the homogeneity of the western populations?
      If so, what is its purpose?

    • stephen says:

      01:42pm | 08/03/10

      What is it’s purpose ?
      Invasion, my friend. Total and complete annihalation of the resident species from a star far, far away.
      (Or they could be here to help earth-girls celebrate there national day.)

    • Evan Findlay says:

      06:27pm | 08/03/10

      Kevin you need to get in touch with another usual blogger, formersnag. He specialises in conspiracy theories and the weird and the wonderful. He’s great entertainment and you two make a great act. Can I ask, where do you park the spaceship when you visit our planet?

    • Matt says:

      07:28pm | 08/03/10

      I for one welcome our new insect overlords.

    • marley says:

      10:34am | 09/03/10

      Oh for heavens’ sakes.  Australia has had an offshore humanitarian program to take people out of refugee camps for years.  It’s never been a secret.  Currently, most of these people are being taken out of the camps in Africa because that is the population in greatest need of resettlement.  The numbers are not enormous, by the way - the offshore program is something like 13,000 visas a year for the entire world - a drop in the bucket compared with the 100,000+ coming in under the skilled worker program.  And, unlike the Oceanic Viking group, the Somalis you see being brought in under the offshore program have all been vetted for security and medical issues first.

    • Darren says:

      07:54am | 08/03/10

      well said Scott- I am sure that Michael Towke will now allow you to actually join one of your local branches now!

    • Sam Chowder says:

      08:11am | 08/03/10

      That was in the days when refugees sat on deck in nice straight lines,  I doubt if they do that these days.

    • Michael says:

      08:11am | 08/03/10

      “Is there a plan to break down the homogeneity of the western populations?”
      Yes I believe there is a plan to break down the unity of western nations, and I can’t help but believe our own leaders are in on it when they are importing skills that can be trained here… well I dunno about trained here, I want to go to tafe and do a course in transport and logistics, nearest place the course is running is 300km south of me, yet we have a nation wide shortage.

      Of course if I wanted to train to work in a cafe there is no shortage of courses, it all seems very strange to me.

    • Paul H says:

      11:38am | 08/03/10

      Michael, have you not heard of OTEN? The Open Learning Institute, which was set up to cater for those who live some distance from a Tafe? You can do any course you need to by distance learning, either on-line or by correspondence. Look them up on the web, you might be surprised. There are also hundreds of Registered Training Organisations who can provide you with any course you need. Do some home work.

    • Charles says:

      08:16am | 08/03/10

      There is only one person happy with Kevin Rudd at the moment, and that is Gough, and the reasons do not need articulation.

      What this represents of course is the disorderly and chaotic situation of people of very uncertain character, forcing their way into our country by the simple expedience of paying money to do it.  All genuine refugees rotting in camps on the borders of their country stand no chance when faced with these cashed up illegal immigrants who are daring our government to stop them. 

      Kevin Rudd is unable to stop them because as nearly everyone knows, this is a PM who is of very weak character.

    • Scot says:

      01:14pm | 08/03/10

      Kevin,

      There is only one person happy with Rudd and that is Rudd himself. The past few weeks of more spin from Rudd is nauseating to say the least. He has failed the Australian people and he has admitted, Rudd is the most inept PM we have ever had. His next big disaster besides this one will be health. He has already ruined the superannuation system. The list along with NSW Labor is such a shame for us all internationally as he washes his ineptitude for all to see.

    • Evan Findlay says:

      06:28pm | 08/03/10

      And yet John Howard allowed 9000 refugees to enter our country. Your point being?

    • Paul says:

      08:54am | 08/03/10

      Scott do you actually have any policy and plans to deal with overcrowding in the cities, national population, housing affordability and infrastructure or do you yapping Abbott attack dogs expect us swingers to vote for the most ferocious hypocrites and spinners? It’s insulting. Show us what you are about for Australia in the 21st century and end this loud-mouthed Midget Wrestling of Liberal vs Labor please. At least for your kids sake. (And what about your wonky national security major test where the AWB supported terrorism much more than David Hicks. Yet how did the Liberal schizophrenic justice play out? Short convenient memory mate.)

    • George says:

      09:36am | 08/03/10

      @Paul 9 (a.k.a ALP stooge) first of all you should bill KRudd for your services.  There’s a bumper crop of ‘nuts’ like you this year, thanks to all the fertilizer KRudd spreads around.

      Secondly the article illuminates how the KRudd circus crumbled under pressure as the 78 Tamils held the Australian Government to ransom.  So it has come to this now that this great Nation of ours has become an easy target for illegal migration.

      Don’t blame the rest of us for KRudd, he is the PM he is responsible for Government Policy not the Opposition.

    • matt says:

      03:15pm | 08/03/10

      Hi George,

      Yes, there’s rather a lot of us nuts around.

      About 60 per cent of the voting population, I think.

      You lost. Get over it.

    • ace says:

      09:34am | 08/03/10

      Scott Morrison, at least you show your, and the coalition’s, true colours. TPVs won’t stop the boats, nor will more offshore processing centres, nor will kids in detention. What will stop boats is naval blockades. What will stop boats is turning them back to Indonesia, when found in our waters (a la the Tampa, that shameful moment in our nation’s past). Turning boats back when their cargo is persons to whom Australia should clearly afford protection is morally and legally bankrupt and something that I believe the majority of Australians will reject.

      Kevin says: 08:05am | 08/03/10

      ” Also, I went to the airport yesterday and saw a large number of Somalians coming in. I have noticed this on several different occasions.
      There seems to be a programme of some sort, bringing in people from the third world.  Has there been a vote by the Australian people about these invasions?”

      You’re a dill, Kevin. It’s called our offshore humanitarian visa program which has long term bipartisan support. Invasion? It’s nothing of the sort.

    • Super D says:

      10:15am | 08/03/10

      Actually Ace the overwhelming majority of Australians think the boats should be turned back to Indonesia.  I think you’ll find there is almost a majority and definitely a sizeable minority who think they should be sunk when they enter Australian waters. 

      My personal opinion, let them all in but forget about universal healthcare, unemployment benefits and age pensions.  I could use some cheap labor round at my place. 

      Though if you want to keep the generous welfare system we have, that means you can’t let people, no matter how grim their lives, self select coverage by it.

      Refugee policy can’t be isolated from general welfare policy which is what refugee advocates always seek to do and the Australian people have the common sense to see right through.

    • ace says:

      10:53am | 08/03/10

      Super D, I clarify: if asylum issues are properly explained to the majority, if they understand the situations people come from in their countries of origin, the conditions they face in countries which afford them little protection (like indonesia) and the high rates of refugee recognition for people arriving by boat, then they will reject the idea of turning boats back to Indonesia. That’s where the Rudd Govt is falling down at the moment - in failing to explain WHY they do not have a policy of turning boats back. This policy, combined with a robust screening and refugee status assessment process (and not even Mr Morrison challenges the robustness of the screening/RSA process as it is being implemented on Christmas Island) is the ONLY option that preserves our national security, our compliance with domestic and international law and that thing that we as Australians pride ourselves on: fairness.

    • ace says:

      10:55am | 08/03/10

      Super D, I clarify: if asylum issues are properly explained to the majority, if they understand the situations people come from in their countries of origin, the conditions they face in countries which afford them little protection (like indonesia) and the high rates of refugee recognition for people arriving by boat, then they will reject the idea of turning boats back to Indonesia. That’s where the Rudd Govt is falling down at the moment - in failing to explain WHY they do not have a policy of turning boats back. This policy, combined with a robust screening and refugee status assessment process (and not even Mr Morrison challenges the robustness of the screening/RSA process as it is being implemented on Christmas Island) is the ONLY option that preserves our national security, our compliance with domestic and international law and that thing that we as Australians pride ourselves on: fairness.

    • im says:

      12:06pm | 08/03/10

      They the Asylum seekers who cross borders to get to western countries because and only because we are seen as a soft touch. Unemployment benefits, baby bonus, free medical, all within 12 weeks maximum. The ability to claim family reunion, and the vast majority who arrive uninvited by boat do not believe in our systems of government being the arbiter of rules and law. The majority who arrive I assume if they want to work will find great difficulty in obtaining work. The Germans being a people who like to dot their I’s and cross their T’s in January released detail that less than 2% of all asylum seekers from third World countrys over the last 10 years have full time employment.

      Addendum com on Scott start doing your job please. Your silence has been deafening.

    • Jen from Nana Glen says:

      09:56am | 08/03/10

      That’s well and good Scott but we need you to come up with a policy to counter Rudd’s dud.  I think a lot of people would agree that processing them in Australia is not viable for a number of reasons.  Security and health are just two of many reasons off shore processing would be a better option.

      These people pay a lot of money to go by boat and queue jump ahead of genuine refugees who, is some cases, have been in camps for years and are in need of help.

      Let’s stop the boat people one way or another and control our immigration and not be dictated to by the UN.  Another organization similar to our Fed Govt - a bloated bureaucracy wasting billions of dollars, does a lot of media but little by way of direct action.

    • Charles says:

      10:38am | 08/03/10

      Very good point Jen, a lot of our problems arise from letting the UN decide on who are genuine refugees.  This is an organisation with no credibility, and who run on a strategy of bureaucratic convenience.  They also have ‘no skin’ in the game and do not care whether their assessments are correct or not.

      They are just as ineffective and incompetent as the Rudd government, and that is why this illegal immigration problem is such a disaster.

    • a says:

      10:42am | 08/03/10

      Jen from Nana Glen, over 90% of the people getting on boats are genuine refugees, and many of them HAVE been sitting in refugee camps for years. What would you do? Wait another 10 years for resettlement, or take the only chance you have and get on a boat? The resettlement system is broken and until it’s fixed we’re in no position to judge people for this decision.

    • Bruce says:

      11:26am | 08/03/10

      I would like to see a re-definition of what is a genuine refugee, no matter what country they come from.

    • a says:

      12:07pm | 08/03/10

      A well-founded fear of persecution for convention reasons + lack of state protection’s no good for you any more, eh Bruce? How exactly would you like to see it re-defined?

    • Lindy says:

      11:03am | 08/03/10

      Most of these people are NOT genuine refugees. If they were they’d head for their Tamil state in India which is adjacent to Sri Lanka. These people are after the good life & nothing more. I’ll vote for the party who stops this invasion.

    • iansand says:

      03:04pm | 08/03/10

      India, Burma, Thailand, Singapore, Malyasia and Indonesia are not signatories to the UN Refugee Conventions.  We are pretty much the first stop that is.

    • Lynne Mckay says:

      11:33am | 08/03/10

      For Heaven’s sake…Rudd and the Labor party want as many boat people as possible to come to Australia….they have this secret deal that each individual will be allowed into Australia provided they avow to VOTE LABOR…Once again, like the Stimulus Package(s) Rudd is Buying Votes…This is corruption, there is NO other name for it and Rudd should be brought to account for selling out Australia’s security and the Australian People!

    • Bluey says:

      04:37pm | 08/03/10

      Secret deal, eh. Yeah yeah yeah, sure.

      And you’ll be on the doorstep of the Electoral Office and the Fed Police first thing tomorrow,  with the certified copies of your evidince, won’t ya. Sure ya will.

      Who started this one, eh? What absolute total crap.

      By Crikey, you Liberal folks wouldn’t know truth if it bit ya on the bum.

    • John Jordan says:

      04:00pm | 08/03/10

      Rudd wont turn the boats back because if he does he wont get a seat on the UN and thats what he wants, until he gets a seat we will have to pay for these que jumpers, if these boat people have enough money to pay the the boats Captain they have enough money to come to Australia through the proper channels, Its about time Mr Rudd you stopped this.

    • Marilyn Shepherd says:

      01:09am | 14/03/10

      Are you a totally brainless fuckwit?  Afghans, Kurds, Iraqis, Iranians, they have to come the last leg by sea because if they asked us for a visa we would tell them to fuck off no matter how dangerous their own countries are.

      Now get a grip on reality.  99.999% of the world’s refugees do not come here.

      got that fuckwit?  How in god’s name you can still be so ignorant after the last 10 years of whining and carping about a few hundred refugees is beyond me but the law stands that it is legal to come here and ask for help.

      So fucking get over it.

    • Tranny says:

      10:33pm | 18/04/10

      Marilyn—is that male or female?  Opinions are like arseholes, you obviously have a very big one, but not necessary the right one.

    • Peter of Adelaide says:

      04:14pm | 08/03/10

      Kevin Rudd not only fails the Tampa test turning the asylum seeker issue into a debacle, but he has failed other tests including an unworkable scheme to improve our hospitals, the insulation debacle, the education revolution expensive debacle, including a dodgy curriculum, dodgy school halls, Libraries and plaques to glorify him and Julia Gillard and more strikes damaging our productivity.

      The GFC would have been a debacle if the Coalition had not provided the $billions and the sound financial system that saved us from the GFC, not Kevin Rudd.

      Figures indicate that world wide other countries have had only a 5% increase in asylum seekers, while Australia has had a 25% increase.

    • Fred Bloggs says:

      06:35pm | 08/03/10

      There you have it folks. It’s no damn good whingeing about what Krudd can do (nothing) and what he can’t do (everything). Come voting time just put your little tick where it’ll do him the most harm. He’s useless, self opinionated and bloody dangerous. Can’t see him getting a seat in the UN with all the adverse publicity he’s getting. Oh! I forgot - he’s a joke as well

    • Wilson says:

      09:01pm | 08/03/10

      To me, the most fundamental aspect of the asylum seeker debate is litterally never mentioned. There are tens of millions of potential refugees worldwide, and always circumstances creating waves of new ones. It has been and could be never ending. To let in a token amount at great expense per head and potential harm to our social fabric seems to seriously lack any appreciation of the bigger picture. Just some sort of feel good exercise ,imagining we,re actually making some sort of difference.
      Japan has by far the most realistic approach. Zero intake, so none bother arriving, and the money which would be otherwise spent on assimilation ( i wonder how much it costs us per head? ) spent on foreign aid projects which really do have a lasting and profound benefit . They punch above their weight in this field. Why don,t we do the same? The present approach just doesn,t stand up. So much money and drama for such a relatively small impact. On all counts it doesn,t make sense. Help far more people at the source than a token feel good number of lucky ones as we do now.
      And hey, didn,t our Kev do a ” me too ” on Howards stance before the last election?

    • Mariah Dan says:

      10:39pm | 08/03/10

      I couldn’t believe the increase in the number of refugee boats arriving into Australia after Rudd relaxed the laws.
      I am all for helping a true refugee, and I believe under Howard the process in place was working well.
      Right now, the number of boats being intercepted is inexusable. And, how many other boatloads have slipped in undetected?
      Just an instance of a government initiating something without a Plan B up there sleeve.
      Poor PM Rudd. ..ame across as a likeable type of nerdy fellow on Sunrise breakfast shows before he became PM but now he has the top job, he really shows how nerdy and wet-behind-the-ears he really is!
      Perhaps having a REAL day job before politics would have helped.

    • Sandy says:

      06:56am | 09/03/10

      Bluey scoffs at the “secret deal” comment. 
      Well, Bluey, why is that we have such a lot of blindly led labor voters who do not look past the spin that Rudd and his merry men spread?
      Never has there been so much spin as there is around since Beattie and this Queensland rabble started their run.  Beattie, Rudd and Swan - wow what a team and the country is gradually losing its once great standing!!!!

      If people do not wake up soon, we may as well all just go on the dole and stuff everyone.  The ones who do least get looked after best in this country and I do despair for my grandchildren and their children in the future.  It’ll be communism for them.

    • Bluey says:

      11:14am | 09/03/10

      Jeeze, Sandy, wake up to yaself. Watch what they do, not what they say.

      Tax cuts, economy on the go, unemployed doing OK, and done for less debt than anywhere.

      Jeeze, mate, you gotta get out more. No-one who knows anything about the country falls for that “commies” ranting, or for Barnaby’s dopey debt ranting, neither.  Fair go! Look around ya mate, We’re doing good.

    • David B says:

      12:33pm | 09/03/10

      Bluey -  you may recall the tax cuts were announced by labor during their 2007 election campaign on the back of the surplus that they inherited.  How about you stop for a minute and ask yourself the question as to why Rudd is deferring the release of the Henry tax report to the public?  You dont consider that it could have something to do with the fact that their are recommendations to significantly increase taxes? hmmmm..  i wonder.

    • Mr Subramanian says:

      11:02am | 09/03/10

      I’m very happy that Kevin Rudd has failed this “Tampa test” of yours, Scott, given that Tampa was when I decided that I could never, ever, in good conscience vote for John Howard again. Maybe Kevin Rudd will turn out to be just as cynically adroit at exploiting our basest fears and prejudices for the sake of re-election, but until then, I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

    • Bluey says:

      01:31pm | 09/03/10

      Shoulda mentioned low interest rates, too eh. Add that to the list

      And Dave B, Jeeze, mate, what part of “watch what they do not what they say” is givin’ you problems?

      Try it on old “Straight Shooter: Abbott mate. You’ll find out!

      Low debt, low interest, no Big New Tax. Look it up yaself instead of flippin out at the rants of the Tele.

    • David B says:

      02:11pm | 09/03/10

      Bluey -  clearly you have selective hearing.  Do you seriously think the Labor tax cuts were provided as a result of Labors sound economic management?  Jeeze, Bluey, they announced they were going to make tax cuts in their 2007 election campaign before they even took over and your putting it down to sound ALP management! The cuts were only possible due to the surplus and the position of the economy when they took over.  You also neglected to respond to my point that Labor has delayed the release of the Henry tax review for obvious reasons.  Mate, we will be paying for it thru our nose next year.  Wake up mate.

 

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