Kevin Rudd is seriously re-considering an August election after previously dismissing the idea when polls showed he was on the slide. The next two or three polls could decide the matter.

Take your pick…Kev is currently poring over this.

The revived option comes amid a growing view that the Opposition’s resurgence since Tony Abbott took over may be stalling because he is not yet seen as genuine alternative prime minister.

The theory goes that Mr Abbott’s personal approval rating may be acting as a ceiling on the Coalition vote because undecided voters believe he’s still got the leadership training wheels on. But the situation may be temporary. The fear in the Government is that his stocks could improve if he has more time to convince wary voters.

The last two Saturdays in August (21st or 28th) have emerged as possibilities meaning the formal campaign period could begin from early to mid-July. It would also mean as few as three more parliamentary sitting weeks left this term.

September is widely regarded as a political no-go-zone due to football finals, leaving August or late October / November as the other alternatives. Another argument for August is to take advantage of any referred gravitas from the visit next month, of US President, Barack Obama.

But a winter poll carries some danger. First, it risks dragging grumpy voters out to the local school or church to cast their votes on a cold wet Saturday. Some may express their displeasure through the ballot box. Kevin Rudd reminded his MPs several months ago that it would take just two or three voters out of every hundred to change their minds to see the Government tossed out. Second, it involves the gamble of firing the starter’s gun while the Government is still effectively neck-and-neck with the Opposition in the polls. Governments prefer waiting until they’re confident of an advantage.

Advocates of an early poll say it would catch an under-prepared Opposition still short of the middle-ground support it needs to win.

A well placed source says the August option is ``back on the table’’ particularly because Mr Rudd’s confidence, shaken by the harsh voter-reaction to the home insulation debacle and his emissions trading scheme backdown, is returning.

``He (Mr Rudd) seemed to lose his nerve when he saw the pretty vicious reaction to the emissions trading backdown and those other decisions the Government took a couple of months back,’’ the source said.

``But now, after Abbott’s recent efforts, Kevin’s back to thinking he has his measure. Remember how he went in the health debate at the (National) Press Club, an early election was very possible then, but things went pear-shaped and the option died.’‘

If it was dead, it apparently wasn’t buried.

The Opposition’s bad fortnight, in which Mr Abbott admitted not always telling the truth under pressure; he and his treasury spokesman fluffed their Budget reply; and deputy leader, Julie Bishop botched her handling of the Israeli passports affair; has strengthened Mr Rudd’s belief that his opponent remains vulnerable under scrutiny. It has also raised doubts about the Opposition’s tactical judgment.

``He doesn’t want to give him time to learn on the job,’’ one insider said of the Mr Rudd.

Senior ministers however, believe an earlier-than necessary poll would be too risky and generally favour waiting as long as possible to give the Government time to rebuild its stocks with disgruntled and disillusioned voters.

That said, there is also a school of thought that support for the Opposition is ``theoretical’‘. That is, polls show what voters `say’ they would do rather than what they actually `would’ do when casting their vote.

The next Newspoll, due this Tuesday is being keenly awaited. Such is the importance now being placed on these regular measures and their influence on the political atmosphere, that both sides are engaging in strategies to get favourable results.

On Thursday, Mr Abbott, who just two days before had promised he would not be ``an action replay’’ of his mentor, John Howard, did exactly that by reviving the hardline ``Pacific solution’’ asylum seeker policy.

The policy itself, involving off-shore processing in third countries and towing boats back to Indonesia, is probably undeliverable but it will be popular with some.  Ditto Labor’s announcement yesterday that it would proceed with legal action against Japanese whaling. One wag quipped ``this is novel for Mr Rudd, an un-broken promise’‘.

Both announcements are seen as evidence of a new development in politics: ``Newspoll Friday’‘. If this one shows the Government coming back, Kevin Rudd may just decide an August election suddenly makes sense.

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    • Paul says:

      07:00am | 29/05/10

      If Rudd doesn’t have a bounce in the polls after the 2 weeks the Libs have just had, he has no chance of winning an election.

    • Steve says:

      04:47pm | 29/05/10

      I thought Labor had no chance in the last NSW election. Federal Labor is much less bad than in NSW. They’ll mount the mother of all fear campaigns against Abbott. They should win, regardless of what the polls show now.

    • Gary Cox says:

      07:38am | 31/05/10

      Yeah but NSW people aren’t that bright, I mean they couldn’t be could they to have put that government back in? Anyway luckily the rest of Australia is voting this time so maybe the average IQ will be higher.

    • Olga says:

      07:34am | 29/05/10

      I still think if the Liberals put Turnbull back in as Leader they would win the election. I’m sure the Liberals could win the election if they moved Abbott to deputy. Australians still aren’t prepared risk Abbott as PM but Turnbull I think they would. Abbott almost has the Libs there, but not quite and I don’t think he’ll be able to get them over the line at the end of the day.

    • persephone says:

      12:02pm | 29/05/10

      Sane people think like this, Olga.

      Unfortunately, as so often proven by comments on this blog, the Liberal party core voters are not sane.

      They really really really believe that Abbott is the best thing since sliced bread and that Turnbull is some kind of left wing fruitcake.

      So you know and I know that TA will implode beautifully in the run up to the election, when he actually does have to produce the policies which he doesn’t have (proven again yesterday by Dutton’s pathetic performance in the ‘Great Health Debate’ where it became once again apparent that the Lib’s policy on anything is opposing whatever Labor’s doing) but the true believers here will be telling us, right up to election day, that Tony will come out with the killer blow any time now…

    • Ben81 says:

      12:42pm | 29/05/10

      Why give Labor the distraction that they want and need with a sideshow of a leadership change, just to put a weak yes man in charge of the Liberal party?  No thanks, Abbott all the way.

    • Ryan says:

      01:18pm | 29/05/10

      I doubt it, perhaps he might appeal to those that are hardline Labor supporters that would ALWAYS vote Labor no matter how incompetent they have proven themselves to be so there is no point. Rudd lite (AKA Turnbull) is not what the Liberals want.

    • Rob r Charteris says:

      04:46pm | 29/05/10

      Peter Simmons says:01:33pm; You gat that right about the sane thing. The post following your (Ben81) is a classic case. All wind and no balls

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      06:24pm | 29/05/10

      persephone , the massive slump in Labor support has rattled the teeth out of the party apararchiks and after reading your comment here , i suspect the loss has finally filtered through to you.

      The $40 million political advertising campaign to denigrate Australian businessmen and women , should hammer home to the electorate just how desperate Rudd has become.

      The electorate’s hammer will fall heavily on Labor for the non-stop bungled programs , broken promises , backflips and the unstoppable slide into the debt abyss.
      pers , do you really believe that people will vote for Rudd given this unenviable record hangs round his neck and him promising three more years of the same.  No thanks. !

    • Rob r Charteris says:

      08:29pm | 29/05/10

      Wayne Fehlhaber says:06:24pm; you must really think the electorate is that dumb they haven’t seen the list of policies held up in the senate by the opposition that has stop a lot of those promises. What planet are you living on??? K-pax??? A good alternative opposition would not only oppose but actually propose alternative policies. You’ve got to stop drinking from that spin bottle son.

    • persephone says:

      08:56pm | 29/05/10

      Ryan

      But a Malcolm Turnbull, divested of any obligations to the rabid right, is what the Liberals need.

      You guys need to go into the wilderness for a term or so and rebuild. Yes, you’ll lose a couple of elections while you’re doing it, but you’ll be better off in the long run.

      Otherwise the Federal libs will end up looking like the State Opposition in Victoria.

      Wayne

      I can’t begin to describe to you how unrattled I am.

    • wayne Fehlhaber says:

      07:44am | 30/05/10

      Rob r Charteris , unfortunately for you and persephone , the electorate’s
      focus is on the failures of Rudd’s excuse for a government . Broken promises and bungled programs mean so much to the Australian voter
      and they feel so betrayed by Labor that the usual crap , dogma and spin
      from rusted on supporters just won’t cut through .

    • Christian Real says:

      01:44pm | 30/05/10

      Wayne Fehlhaber
      Newsflash Wayne, Labor may have got a slump in support as you say, but then again Wayne the Liberal coalition hasn’t gained any further support either. support has went to the minor parties instead.
      Persephone tips that Abbott will implodein the run up to the Election, but I am tipping that abbott will implode well before the run up to the election.
      Even if Tony abbott puts his promises in writing Wayne, one still can’t be sure whether he is actually telling the truth for a change or if it is just another one of his lies.

    • luke09 says:

      02:21pm | 30/05/10

      The only thing that matters on polling day is who the genuine swing voters vote for. I know a few swing voters who voted for Rudd because Howard had twelve years as PM and it was time for a change. Some have regreted voting for Rudd because some of his policies have caused more harm than good. Whether they swing back to the coalition won’t be known until the election night but the general mood is Rudd has been a huge disappointment.

    • Rob r Charteris says:

      02:40pm | 30/05/10

      Christian Real says:01:44pm; lol that’s about facts of it. But I think your preaching to ineptly stupid and delusional. They have a whiff of Rudd sliding in the polls and all of a sudden they’re running the country at the next election. But you see waffler wayne has these special powers as he seems to claim to know what everybody is thinks. The poor boy must have a serious headache.

    • Swinging Voter & Former snag says:

      05:15pm | 30/05/10

      @ Christian Real, Or should i say, Anti Christian Real, News Flash, 90% of those voting for minor parties at 2010, NEVER AGAIN, will be preferencing the conservatives.

      My own personal politics have always been centre left, i am no big fan of the liberal/national coalition, but these other “scumbags” (where have i heard that before) from the red/green/getup/labour coalition are way worse.

    • Rob r Charteris says:

      06:04pm | 30/05/10

      luke09 says:02:21pm; It makes me laugh how all these liberal supporters rant on about a long list of all these things they think the electorate is disappointed in Kev the man. There is only one thing that turned the tide on Kev’s personal stats. And that was putting the ETS on hold. As soon as Kev did that, the polls turned on him. And rightly so! I think when the electorate weigh everything up at election time and still see Abbott in the alternative seat. Then people will think differently. I know harden National voters that are reconsidering their vote for the Nationals will a vote for Abbott, people just don’t like him. Also as the poll turned on Kev, the goose we all knew was there came out of the opposition Abbott, Barnaby, Hockey and then the biggest goose of all Bishop. You have to ask yourself why are some many experienced liberals running from the ranks.

    • persephone says:

      06:04pm | 30/05/10

      luke

      the polls, however, are a good guide, and they seem to be showing a drift back to Labor.

      They certainly never demonstrated any real support for Abbott.

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      06:26pm | 30/05/10

      Rob r Charteris :  No Rob , i don’t think the electorate is dumb at all ,
      however ,  there sure are a few Labor twits submitting some really dumb contributions to these columns. Oh , incidently Rob , Christian does not deal in facts , only delusions brought on by long term Labor brain washes.
      Christian Real : Newsflash Christian , the larger part of the Primary vote is going to the Coalition and that is likely to increase in the lead up to election day . Rather a change around for an Opposition which was so far behind just six months ago , but easily understood when standing back surveying the Labor destruction of our economy and way of life.
      Christian , i can’t believe that you would place any faith in any tips from persephone , you are on a loser there old chum.

    • Thinking Voter says:

      07:46am | 29/05/10

      Why do journalists only talk about the two major parties who both poly waffle on mainly with votes in mind, not the people.  In my electorate I’m hoping for an Independent, a Green, and a Stop Population Growth Now or the Secular Humanist Party any other minority group.  At least in a Hung Parlianment, there will have to be concensus instead of the pathetic popcorn offered to voters now, each trying to out do the other.  I voted Kevin O7 in but I can vote Kevin Un-10-Able out but the options are terrifying.

    • Anthony says:

      02:59pm | 30/05/10

      Yes, they got a Green into the state lower house here in Fremantle…and look how that went!  The only Greens I know can afford to be green. They can certainly afford the diesel for their four-wheel-drive gas guzzlers. Malcolm Turnbull the Green Liberal (there’s an oxymoronic name for a political party) can certainly afford to tell us all to switch off our incandescent globes and buy expensive flouro globes.

    • Against the Man says:

      08:57am | 29/05/10

      http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/05/28/2911698.htm?section=justin

      The one line in this article that stands out - Mr Rudd has told Channel Seven the warnings were heeded but mistakes were made.

      Does that make sense to anyone? How could mistakes have been made when warnings were heeded? That is some spin indeed.

      If rudd wins the next election then it is the Australian people that will lose.

    • nosthow says:

      09:31am | 29/05/10

      Abbott has more than leadership training wheels on as you say Mark - hes positively out of his league altogether. No policies to speak of except those “borrowed” from Howard - he forgets that the Australian public not on judged Howard on those very policies but then went ahead and voted out Howards government and good old jackboot Johnny himself ! The Coalition have learnt absolutely nothing from the past and will be judged accordingly again by the astuts Australian people.

    • Ben81 says:

      12:33pm | 29/05/10

      If most Australian voters were truly astute Labor would have about a 5% approval rating right now, being one of the worst performing and most mediocre governments in the history of the country.  You’ll have a hard time convincing me that Labor voters from 2007 got anything like what they were voting for.  If those same voters go to the next election and vote Labor again based on what they delivered from the last election that doesn’t say much for them at all.  Face it, if this was a Liberal government there would be thousands of people protesting in the streets on just the internet filter issue alone.

      The coalition will continue to do whatever is right, even if that means you’re unhappy that they don’t become a carbon copy of the Labor party.  Using your logic I hope you’re consistent if Labor loses the next election or even the one after that, and say that Australians have judged them and they should let go of their ideology.

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      01:11pm | 29/05/10

      Nosthow , the Howard govt. was 12 years old , the electorate was bored
      and they had forgotten that Labor were the party that leaves them in deep debt in the case of every Labor govt. since Federation began.Over the past three years we have had a myriad of stark reminders on Labor’s incompetence . You are quite correct to say that Australians are astute , certainly astute enough to remove this useless bunch of Labor donkeys from office.

    • Gullible Idiot says:

      01:23pm | 29/05/10

      Kevin on the other hand, after 3 years in the job, is proving to be a strong, principled and capable leader who learns from his mistakes together with a strong team of empathetic doers with a gift for seamlessness in execution of their visionary strategies.

    • km says:

      09:45pm | 30/05/10

      “Yeah” So how’s that change you wanted ya??
      working out OK,

    • Wayne L Fehlhaber says:

      09:47am | 29/05/10

      There are far more lethal issues facing Rudd than those petty incidents you mention against the Coalition. The slump in government support has been building over a long period of time .  A loss of faith and credibility for Rudd :
      Broken promises :  Botched programs such as the $2.45 Billion Roofing Insulation Scheme :  Millions wasted on the School Buildings Program : Interest rate rises : Cost of living rises :  The abandonment of the Emission Trading Scheme :  A reversal of Asylum Seekers treatment :  The new $12 Billion tax on miner’s profits.
      The Rudd government will go to the election on this record , expecting to be given another three years for more of the same.
      The electorate will remember these matters over the media fueled nit picking with minor issues relating to Abbott and Bishop.
      August , September or October .  Bring it on !

    • PatC says:

      07:49am | 30/05/10

      It never ceases to amaze me at number of people who can in the same breath cheer on an emissions trading scheme and boohoo a RSPT. It shows a complete lack of understanding of both issues. If Australia introduced an ETS when the rest of the world was not it would drive up the relative cost of mining production and make investment in Australia much less attractive which is exactly the same claims being made about the RSPT. This post is just another example of short term tabloid headline thinking with no real understanding of the full impact of anything.

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      06:40pm | 30/05/10

      Pat C :  You have it all wrong Pat , i don’t support an E.T.S. at all .
      What i am pointing out is that it is just one more failure from Rudd’s promises closet . One more backflip away from what he promised those who voted for him on the basis of his E.T.S. proposal prior to the election.
      What i certainly oppose is the RSPT , the loss of investment , cancelled exploration and subsequent loss of potential jobs
      I can assure you that i have a full understanding of the impact an E.T.S. would have on the mining industry and i fully oppose what was put forward by the Rudd government. Maybe i should have been clearer in my comment. apologies.

    • Steve Putnam says:

      07:58pm | 30/05/10

      And the Abbott-led Liberals are proposing to do what exactly? A great big new tax on Australia’s 3,200 biggest companies is about all Abbott has come up with. Bring on the mining tax. The mining giants have got away with paying too little for too long. How can the Liberals be so anti the national interest as to mount a scare campaign on it? Besides anyone with any nous can see the mining companies really don’t have any other real options; we’ve got the best product and the most of it. Our workforce is highly trained, the infrastructure is in place and we have had the world’s best practice in handling transport of bulk ores for over thirty years. Where are you going to be on polling day waffler? Maybe we could meet somewhere and have a little wager on the outcome?

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      08:20am | 31/05/10

      Steve Putnam :  Rudd’s mining tax is a grab at refilling the nation’s coffers after Labor’s lunatic spending spree .  They are terrified of the unrest out in the electorate which has now fully realised that Australia is in debt to the eyeballs. To propose the destruction of Australian investment in resourses , mining exploration and expansion projects ,
      superannuation outcomes and potential jobs , is only a nightmare that could be dreamed up by Labor lunatics hell bent on destroying our way of life.
      Incidently Steve , i’d be really interested in having a shilling on the side
      with you on the election outcome . Do you have two sheckels to rub together or are you just another Labor loudmouth.  ?

    • Steve Putnam says:

      07:18pm | 31/05/10

      Replying to your reply Wayne L. I will be in the electorates of Sydney & Wentworth that day (whenever it is) working for the return of the Rudd Government, so would Redfern or Bondi Junction suit? I usually do these things per seat majority… anyway lets keep it civil. Did you see Emma-Kate Symons report in todays Australian; “Ailing France praises Australian ‘miracle’ “. Quoting directly from Le Monde it says: “Australia is in a situation that any country in Europe would envy- the economic stimulus plan of 2008 costing $42billion led to a deficit of 3.9%in 2009 but the country did not experience a recession…Australia astonishes, and not only because of its (low) unemployment rate…Why has Australia escaped the crisis?...many believe that the fiscal stimulus is the principal reason.” It would appear that although the Rudd Govt’s spending has not been above reproach, it has kept people in work & unlike virtually every other developed economy, none of our major financial institutions has gone under.That is what you do with an budget surpless - you don’t worship it like some sort of golden calf or do as the Howard Government did & use it as a bribe come election day.Lastly Wayne can you say with your hand on your heart that the $9billion tax that mining companies paid on an $80billion profit last decade is adequate recompense for the birth right of all Australians?

    • Byro says:

      10:15am | 29/05/10

      It would be great if Abbott could lose the extremist, unAustralian, smell of Howard and come up with some real policies, so some of us swinging voters and old-school - real “liberals”,  felt like we had some choice, something to vote for. Rather than an impulsive loud mouth in speedo’s or a compulsively lying bureaucrat who sits on his hands or their pathetic cat-fights between each other!

      Australia deserves better from these political parties and some democratic choices. If capitalism gives us the choice of 20 types of chocolate bars in a supermarket, why do we have to suffer the choice of but two power-addicted narcissists mostly copycatting each other?

    • Swinging Voter & Former snag says:

      12:31pm | 29/05/10

      @ Byro, “Seek & ye shall find”, “Ask & your prayers shall be answered”

      http://www.democrats.org.au/

      http://www.australiafirstparty.com.au/cms/

      http://www.ldp.org.au/

      The current incarnation of the red/green/getup/labour coalition is even worse than Whitlam, according to Malcolm Fraser. Vote Minor & only preference the LNP, TA is not that bad anyway, he could not possibly be worse than Krudd.

      Put the red/greens last, getup/labour second last, liberals third last, nationals fourth last & put all the Minor’s & Independents ahead of the 2 Major Mistakes, enjoy.

    • MatLon says:

      03:10pm | 29/05/10

      @Byro, I agree..

      The Liberal party has mostly forgotten what it is over the years. Instead of real Liberals, we get these nasty Old-boys who think the definition of conservatism is simply being tough on asylum seekers.

      Give me real conservatism, for the love of God, someone, please.

    • Joan says:

      10:51am | 29/05/10

      Bring it on - the sooner the better, Which seat is Ken Henry standing for?

    • stephen says:

      12:11pm | 29/05/10

      Dr. Henry is responding to impertinant and connotative questions from the Mining Lobby, and the inference that he is a mouth-piece of the ALP is only an impression.
      It is quite easy to ask a kind of question that when answered truthfully, would invariably give an indication of bias.
      The Mining Industry want it their way, and no other way. No compromises. If Labor wins here, there Budget Estimates stand, and their spending for the next election is assured. The Mining Industry is argueing now, by proxy, for a Coalition victory, and every Labor person, like myself, should know where we stand.

    • JenfromNanaGlen says:

      11:44am | 29/05/10

      Bring it on!  Hope this time the sycophantic media stop singing the praises of this most useless of all Federal governments!

    • Life on Mars says:

      01:00pm | 29/05/10

      Well, bring it on so we can dump these imbeciles and replace them with new imbeciles.

    • BobM says:

      10:04pm | 29/05/10

      Who? The Greens?

    • MD43 says:

      01:10pm | 29/05/10

      From memory Howard went into several elections behind in the polls, including 2004 which seems similar to this election - a Government that people don’t particularly like up with an unlikeable leader against an fractured Opposition with a charismatic leader that most people agree is either not ready to lead the country, is simply not PM material and/or is mentally unstable.

    • Professor Ceril Hardpipes says:

      01:50pm | 29/05/10

      Rudd should go early because the longer he waits the greater the hammering he will receive from a debt ridden electorate ...

    • Jason Bennett says:

      01:51pm | 29/05/10

      Finally I will have a chance to vote in this upcoming election, like many other Gen Y’ers.

      Rudd’s plan to censor the internet may go over the heads of many older voters, but the 100,000+ Australians who signed the petition against this will not be impressed with Rudd or his broken promises on the ETS.

    • persephone says:

      09:01pm | 29/05/10

      What - and vote for the Libs who don’t know what they’re doing on the internet policy and will dump the NBN - a far greater threat for any IT user than a filter they all tell us they’ll be able to get round in a jiffy - and who walked away from both their election promise and their promise to the government to support an ETS?

      You are not serious.

    • PatC says:

      07:59am | 30/05/10

      Spoken like a true Gen Y. One little thought bubble (or should that be tweet)  is the total substance of your well thought out argument. Kudos on actually spelling all your words correctly and getting some grammar into your post though.

    • Wake up Australia says:

      08:56am | 30/05/10

      Okay…...Labor has broken more election promises that any government in recent history. The ETS was abandoned by Labor once it didn’t involve Kevin running for a spot on the UN aka the impress my mates at Copenhagen agenda. Hell right now the Libs seem like the only choice from preventing a Labor government pushing Australia further down the spiral.

    • B says:

      10:06am | 30/05/10

      persephone says:

      You are SUCH a Ruddite.  Love him SO much you cannot see that his internet filter WOULD KILL the NBN anyway.

      I work for a a ISP, Major one at that.  I can tell you the internet filter IS WORSE than dropping the NBN.

      What would you want more?  Labor Goverment control over what information you can view(Ahhh No thanks!!!)?
      OR
      Just stick with your current internet speeds until SOMETHING workable is achieved.

      Funny how alot of ISP’s rejected the NBN because it was too costly.  I remember Optus winning a tender from the Howard Government in 2007 to build an increased capacity fibre network as a framework for a new national broadband network.  And what does your hero Dudd do?  Scratches the scheme, and calls it something else and says “look look what I have done!!!!  Arnt I great!!!!!!”

      And if you are a genuine IT user(I dont mean a IT phone support guy, reading off notes are we???), you would already understand all this and would be condeming rudd for his criminal attacks on freedom of information.

      Oh Oh Oh.  Who just walked away from “the greatest moral challenge of all time” !!! Dont tell me “he put it on the backburner”  because I could say that about anything and never do it.  Like RUDD does.

    • persephone says:

      06:12pm | 30/05/10

      B

      now, don’t hyperventilate there. Awful wiping all that spittle off the screen.

      Firstly, the NBN will increase broadband speeds tens of times more than the filter will affect it. After all, it’s not a case of every site you apply for having to be screened, which would be time consuming; it’s a comparitively few sites being blocked altogether.

      The Optus contract was broken simply because it could be - they couldn’t deliver what was promised. If it had been otherwise, there would have been a great big enormous court case, which Optus would have won. 

      Anyone who knew anything about IT knew that Optus wasn’t going to be able to deliver (which is why the maps showing their proposed internet coverage mysteriously vanished only days after they had been posted, as they strangely did not account for minor geographical features such as the Great Dividing Range).

      And it was the Liberals who walked away from the ETS - they even had a leadership spill in order to get out of keeping their promise to vote for it.

      Labor is still firmly committed to one, and to a minimum 5% target.

    • Clueles... says:

      09:44am | 31/05/10

      @Pers: “Firstly, the NBN will increase broadband speeds tens of times more than the filter will affect it. After all, it’s not a case of every site you apply for having to be screened, which would be time consuming; it’s a comparitively few sites being blocked altogether.”

      Taking this a little off topic, but if every site weren’t going to be screened, how would the filter know which sites to act upon?

      Just a tip, the reason it’s called a filter is because everything goes through it, then the ‘unwanted’ material gets filtered out… Otherwise it doesn’t work.

    • Jonno M says:

      03:33pm | 31/05/10

      This is the first time Ive seen Pers really rattled.

      Interesting really.

    • Phil says:

      02:09pm | 29/05/10

      Joan Ken will get a safe labor seat at the 2013 election, as their is no way the libs will keep him after his performance so far.

      August, September who cares the sooner the better for mind. If we get Rudd for another 3 years then those who vote for him deserve everything they get.

    • Jacob M says:

      02:44pm | 29/05/10

      The sooner the better, while Abbott’s comments on his lies, and Bishops big mouthed comments and Joe Hockey’s boring speech and shunting the actual budget figures onto Andrew Robb is still on everyone’s mind. Don’t leave it to long or the significance of former Prime minister Malcome Fraser defecting from The Liberal Party, will lose its shock value. Thank heavens Hawkie will always stand by us Labor voters. Abbott stinks of Howard hes a Howard clone, so have the election while everyone is aware of it.

    • Andy says:

      10:45pm | 29/05/10

      The problem with your argument Jacob is that many people, for whatever reason, are starting to look back on the Howard years as not so bad as they seemed in the heady times of the Union propaganda campaign against WorkChoices.

      Rudd will win the upcoming election but it will be despite Tony Abbott’s links to Howard, not because of them.

    • william says:

      03:39pm | 29/05/10

      I still Cannot believe that the media think and argue that the worst Government in Australia’s history can be re elected. One could bore your readers with the litany of failed policies the back downs and the gross waste of peoples taxes and the damage done to our image as a stable country in which investment is as safe as houses! Wake up Australia it is imperative that this Labor government is thrown out before they can do any further damage.

    • John A Neve says:

      04:44pm | 29/05/10

      William,

      It is people like you who make it possible for this or any government to be re-elected.
      Unless you are 300 years old, how could you possibly state “this is the worst government in Australia’s history”, sorry, but you are just a joke.

      Would you really have any idea how much money, this or any government wasted? Have you had a chance to look at the paper work or the budget costings?

      Tell us about the “damage done to our image”, do you really know what the governments or people of other countries think of us?
      Or in fact, are you just running off at the mouth?

      In the last fourty years I have yet to see a government that got it all right and that’s only my view. Twenty odd million other Australians probably founf fault with governments as well.

      Until we as a nation elect governments based on facts and not emotion we will go nowhere. Twenty five or six momths ago the electorate felt the othet lot needed scraping. Are you now going to re-elect them, what a waste of our time money and effort. You’d be wasting as much money proportionately as you claim this government has.

    • MD43 says:

      04:47pm | 29/05/10

      So your suggesting we vote out the worst Government in our history by voting for a mob that will easily be the worst Government in our history? Haha, no thanks…

    • B says:

      10:08am | 30/05/10

      John A Neve says:

      300 years old!!!!  I didnt think we became a country that long ago.  I remember federation being 1901.  So just tell me.  Who needs a history lesson?

    • John A Neve says:

      04:56pm | 30/05/10

      B,
      What a silly question!! You obviously have not read my post, read it again and try hard. You just might understand it this time. Failing that there is no hope for you.

    • Michael says:

      03:58pm | 29/05/10

      Whenever the election is held, the critical understanding every Australian voter has to grasp is that Abbott intends to “wipe” the existence of a Rudd government from legislative history. He intends to erase every change Rudd Labor has made. It is definitely a case of back to the Howard templates. And this most certainly will extend to WorkChoices. Anyone who believes a triumphantly elected Coalition under Abbott will not claim a “mandate” to do whatever they wish, scripted or not scripted, core promise or non-core, off the cuff or not, needs to very closely examine the deal I am offering here for a once off never to be repeated purchase of the Sydney Harbour Bridge.

    • Rudd is a bad PM says:

      04:01pm | 29/05/10

      Labor federal government led by Rudd is the worst in Australian history, no doubt what so ever. The longer Rudd waits the more exposed he will be as the opposition gains momentum in digging up the truth and exposing the numerous flaws of his government. A smart Rudd would have a election ASAP, fortunately for us he isn’t so smart!

    • persephone says:

      09:09pm | 29/05/10

      Nonsense. They got us through the GFC successfully. Very few governments across the world have managed this anywhere near as well.

      They undertook a major review of the health system and have laid out a reform plan for this.

      They have instituted major reforms in education, some of which - the National Curriculum and standardised testing - Howard promised for years but was unable to deliver.

      They were also able to deliver reforms to the Murray Darling system, again promised by Howard but not delivered.

      Of course the government has flaws - all do - but in many areas it has already achieved more than Howard.

    • Angry God says:

      07:58am | 30/05/10

      persephony, Keating, Howard and Costello had more to do with getting through the GFC (stage 1) than Rudds wasteful and poorly directed spending. That Swan/Rudd/Gillard/Henry blew our wealth in one shot by overspending on minor requirements has meant that should GFC2 (Greece is the real problem) hits anywhere as hard then our national will have little wriggle room left. The baby out with the bathwater solution is never intelligent. A minor recession is better than two lifetimes of debt.

      The health system review is a smoke and mirrors job designed to inflate the numbers of public servants and not beds or doctors. It is just an additional layer of useless morons holding positions that cost beds, doctors and nurses wages. That Doctor Death and Bipoloa Nicola want this is indeed a worry.

      The undelivered promises that you highlight from the Howard years were based on the obstructionism of state governments. You know this and it makes any future complaint about the Barnett Government rather infantile.

      The reforms in the Murray Darling are non existant. The only outcome looks to be the eradication of some small old towns as the farms that they supported are held as water rights and are now un-productive. In a world with a growing population the ability to produce food is important and management by intelligent use rather than landlocking would be more productive.

      This government has flaws, that you can only highlight three items and of those three only in the establishment of the NAPLAN testing can you actually claim any real success (but Julie Bishop was the real architect), highlights how much of a failure they have been.

      Their failures havee cost lives in the case of their open borders policy with more than 150 lives lost and insulation scheme that killed four workers, over a hundred houses and an industry. Wasted money with more than 30% of the BER being pocketed by the states and major contractors. Wasted lives and wasted money.

      We have gone from last labor debt, to strong surplus under Howard and Costello, to major major debt, and I cannot trust Wayne Swan to balance a chequebook let alone this nations accounts. 

      This government is an expensive failure, their minor achievements are not highlights, but window dressing to the cancer that is labor. The collapse in support for investment in this nation by the introduction of the worst tax in Australia’s history should have been enough for you to see through this bunch of wasteful incompetants.

      It is you who spout nonsense, your unblinkered defence on a daily basis of a government that even you must have noticed some of the damage done is obviously supplied as a paid service, because nobody (christian real excepted) can be this analy myopic in their observations.

    • persephone says:

      06:27pm | 30/05/10

      Angry God

      Sorry, but I can’t go through all of Labor’s achievements in the space allowed (I did try it once, but hit the word limit and the whole post got wiped!)

      The achievements I outlined are enough to disqualify any government from the ‘worst ever’ tag.

      After all, no matter what the health of Australia’s government going into the GFC, a truly incompetent government could have sent us into Depression.  A poor government would have squibbed health reform (after all, Howard didn’t do much in this area, and some of what he did do created some of the problems we have at present, most notably the lack of doctors), not got around to doing what it said it wanted to do in Education, and not been able to negotiate with the states to even begin to confront the problems of the Murray Darling.

      A really poor government might have been responsible for over 300 asylum seeker deaths, billions of money wasted on overseas assessment centres (when most of those held there ended up here anyway), the false imprisonment/deportation of Australian citizens, programs (like those highlighted in a recent Auditor General’s report) which overspent their budgets whilst only acheiving 30% of their stated aims, and would have wasted the proceeds from a mining boom on middle class welfare.

      A really poor government would have introduced draconian workplace laws without having the courage to take them to an election, would have had to sack several ministers because of their inability to adhere to some basic probity rules and would have sent us into an unnecessary war without any real reasons for doing so.

      A really poor government would have privatised essential services, despite knowing that the areas most dependent on these would not receive adequate services.

      And don’t get me started on how a really poor opposition would behave, because I really would break the word limit.

    • Democrat says:

      05:31pm | 29/05/10

      The longer the government waits the better as the more the electorate see and hear of Abbott the more they resile from him and the Party led by him.  If Turnbull were the leader I genuinely believe the Coalition would be returned to Office.  Looking at the respective Front Benches the government have the superior team-Rudd (with all his negatives)/Abbott, Gillard/Bishop, Swan/Hockey, Tanner/Robb.  Abbott is all about Back to the Future - the very future that the electorate rejected in 2007.

    • Joe says:

      05:33pm | 29/05/10

      Abbott would have a better chance if Turnbull quit for good. Turnbull is way out of touch with the Liberal base. It is only Labor voters who want Turnbull to lead the Libs, but they would never vote Liberal in their life.

    • stephen says:

      11:49pm | 29/05/10

      No. Laborites want equitable communities. That is, a level playing field, where good character and and energy and a fine will is taken note of, and rewarded.
      I suspect Mr. Turnbull wants the same thing.
      The important difference is the Liberals like to reward the fortunate, yet make no allowance for those who may fall by the way.
      Only the Labor Party encourages Capitalism, and at the same time offers a welfare system to pick up those who for, whatever reason, have not quite made the grade.
      This is what we call Humaness.

    • Nitzpicker says:

      06:02am | 30/05/10

      @ stephen you are so so wrong, labor wants big government, they want to control every aspect of your life while at the same time rewarding those that support their agenda they do not believe in equality, dont fool yourself, socialism and communism (which Gillard was a member of) believes in total control of your life, socialism and communism is a failure the world over, anywhere this type of government is there is suffering beyond belief. Russia, Nazi Germany, Pol Pot, China, N Korea,, list goes on and on. The family has never been better off in Australia then under a liberal government. Since Labor has been in power my bills have gone up over 30%... you know, for the good of us all, for the environment, you know, for sustainability.

    • persephone says:

      06:44pm | 30/05/10

      Nitzpicker

      before you remove the nits from other people’s hair, first remove the lice from your own (to paraphrase a great man).

      Firstly, Julia Gillard was not and never has been a communist. It’s like saying Alexander Downer is a racist because he once attended a meeting run by a racist organisation, or that Costello is a member of a fundamentalist church because he once addressed a revivalist meeting.

      And your electricity didn’t go up because of the ETS, because that hasn’t been introduced yet. It went up because your state government - not the Federal one -  put it up.

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      06:20pm | 29/05/10

      I would enjoy the Liberals winning the election. Jokes about the PM and the Vatican. No more frothing at the mouth on blogs from rabid Liberal supporters as we enter an earthly paradise. (of course a deficit will still be a deficit, we’ll still dig things up instead of make things, those refugee boats will still keep coming and The Punch will become bland, but hey that’s reality for ya.)

    • elhombre says:

      08:46pm | 29/05/10

      “Still dig things up rather than make things” .. typical infantile post from your average labour voter. Go and read up on the law of comparative advantage and rethink your ludicrous and 80 years out of date opinions.

    • Shane From Melbourne says:

      03:08am | 30/05/10

      “law of comparative advantage”- economics is not physics and there are no absolute laws no matter how much economists might wish it to be a science. BTW I’m not a Labor voter, so much for that assumption. Read up on history and learn that economics is what states make it. Ask a German how he feels about bailing out Greece. Ask an American about how he feels about bailing out the banks. Ask an Australian if he feels comfortable holding so much private debt to China. So much for “Comparative Advantage”.

    • Jeremy the Conservative says:

      06:45pm | 29/05/10

      Prepare yourself for dirty dirty tactics from Labor & the Unions in this upcoming campaign - the media will no doubt assist. The Coalition are a chance in this election - which is amazing in comparison to last years numbers.  Do not underestimate Tony Abbott - the “errors” so far picked up have been mountains made out of molehills - he WILL be focused.  His genuine manner & straight talking is refreshing and resonating in the community.  A change to Turnbull is not possible - he has his supporters - but he was NOT impressive as leader last year, thats the bottom line. 

      An inexperienced Kevin Rudd came into power on the back of a hype and he has proven to be a disaster & utterly incompetent - 2.5% swing to Coalition is all it takes - first term governments tend to suffer a swing against them - the Coalition are in the game,.

    • persephone says:

      09:20pm | 29/05/10

      I find the blind faith you display in Abbott touching, Jeremy, I really do.

      Like all true faiths, it has no evidence to support it.

      There have been no signs whatsoever that Abbott is learning from his mistakes. He still announces policies on the run, without consulting with the party room; he still shoots off at the mouth, and has to backtrack; he has no control over his colleagues, and no willingness to exert any, as the policy laziness exhibited most recently by Dutton and throughout the three budget replies indicates. His failure to discipline Julie Bishop also demonstrates a lack of leadership.

      That the parliamentary party itself lacks confidence in him is shown by their new Question Time strategy - in parliament this week, Tony Abbott only asked five questions, making him one of the most invisible Oppo Leaders ever.

      Malcolm Turnbull wasn’t impressive, I agree, but it was largely because he was hampered by a need to appease the rabid rightwingers whose support helped him become leader.  That said, I’d hazard a guess that the next Liberal PM isn’t in Parliament yet - or if they are, they’re a very junior backbencher.

    • B says:

      10:21am | 30/05/10

      Persephone

      Same could be said for Rudd.  Why do you blindly follow that which is SO obviously a liar and a fraud.

    • persephone says:

      06:50pm | 30/05/10

      B

      because he isn’t?

      My ‘faith’ in Rudd (which has never been that strong; I think he’s a very good politician, I’m a Labor party member, but am one because I know the party is flawed and needs people working from within to improve it) is based on evidence - what he has shown he wants to deliver and what he has delivered.

      In this imperfect world, inhabited by and governed by, imperfect humans, I expect to be disappointed occasionally!

    • fehowarth says:

      12:49pm | 31/05/10

      This is and will be a dirty campaign.  The dirt has been going on for months from many sources.  Mr. Abbott needs to remember that Labor is capable of lobbing back every serve of dirt they receive.  It is unlikely that Labor will sit quietly and take all that is dished out.

    • David R. says:

      07:24pm | 29/05/10

      I am a sub contractor whose living depends on a healthy building industry,while a lot of the world has suffered (gfc) I have not. Do not under estimate the importance of most average people not only surviving but prospering.The governments decision to spend money to cover the private sectors caution at the very least created a feeling that our economy was in with a chance,so maybe we can buy a new frig etc.How much responsibility the govt. can take for the cowboys(there are truckloads of them) taking advantage of the home insulation scheme(for example) who knows,but think about your dealings with your electricity provider,your phone co.how sharp you have to be to get a good deal buying a car,sometimes I wonder what the difference is between capitalism and theft,the land of the fair go is a myth.On the other hand,my biggest issue with both parties is their christian conservatism,modern society seems to be heading one way and “our” leaders another.Abbot the nearly monk and our friend Conroy the internet filter man for eg. The country needs good governance but how much interference in our private life do we need?

    • Eric says:

      08:10pm | 29/05/10

      Meh.

    • Bleeding Heart says:

      10:16pm | 29/05/10

      It might only be me but i reckon that this is an election that the opposition doesnt truly want to win.
      In another 3 years, unemployment will be up, incentive to work or employ will be low & small business will be competing against the government for whatever funds are in the maket place thus driving up interest rates and some of those who voted for the ALP experiencing really hard times rather than simply hearing about those times from their parents and disbelieving at the same time.
      That will be the election to worry about winning, this one is just a prelude.

    • PatC says:

      08:38am | 30/05/10

      I expect there is a far amount of truth here. The back room staff at the Liberal party don’t want or expect to win the election and that is why the put the Mad Monk up front. He’s a night watchman for this election while Joe Hockey gets a bit more experience and avoids the John Howard fallout. I think Joe will be elected leader some time in 2011 or 2012 at about the same time Julie Gillard takes over the reigns as PM. The Great Big New Variable would be - What if Father Abbott actual won?

    • persephone says:

      10:52am | 30/05/10

      Bleeding Heart

      Interestingly, you’re saying exactly the opposite to Treasury and - more importantly - international organisations such as the OECD and the IMF.

      The OECD’s May report

      http://www.oecd.org/document/15/0,3343,en_2649_34109_45268687_1_1_1_1,00.html

      states:

      ‘the Australian economy is projected to experience strong growth in 2010 and 2011, above its trend rate. Activity might expand by as much as 3¼ per cent and 3½ per cent in these two years, driven by booming exports and domestic demand. The unemployment rate is expected to fall below 5% by the end of 2011, in a context of moderate inflation.’

      An IMF working paper -

      http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/wp/2010/wp10127.pdf

      anticipates a:

      ‘medium-term potential growth of about 3 percent for Australia’

      and that

      “Demand for commodities from fast-growing emerging Asia, especially for Australia, is likely to raise the return on capital.’ and that: ‘Capital could also move to places such as Australia where higher returns are expected,’

      So both the OECD report and the IMF working paper anticipate that, over the next three years, unemployment will fall, growth will rise by about 3% (providing incentives for work and employment), and - although capital is scarce worldwide - Australia will be seen as a safe place to invest.

      Add to that a 2% cut in company taxes which (according to every businessperson on this planet when arguing for tax cuts) should lead to higher employment, increased business activity and lower prices for consumers, and Australia looks like its sitting pretty.

      Of course, these are experts talking, and I realise I’m expecting a bit much to expect anyone to listen to them.

    • Seano says:

      08:18am | 30/05/10

      I remember the conservatives being just as cocky before the last election. An election that saw the previously unbeatable coalition lose in a landslide 32 seat turn around.

      Now without the cunning Howard to pull the strings they’re expecting to turn Rudd into a one termer with the unelectable Abbott. A man without direction or policy who appeals in the main to the hard right wing nuts and turns an increasingly large segment of the electorate cold. A man who can’t even win a preferred PM poll within his own party against the now you see me, now you don’t, now you see me again Turnbull.

      Australia has had Howard and deserves something better from the Libs than Howard Lite.

    • PatC says:

      08:21am | 30/05/10

      To all you solid Liberal voters out there - you don’t have the power to change this Government.
      To all you solid Labor voters out there - you don’t have the power to keep this Government.
      You both gave up your power when you decided to “tow the party line”.
      The only people who have the power to determine the outcome of an election are swing voters in marginal seats.  All posts, bleating, verbal garbage, or whatever you or erstwhile opponents determine your comments to be are meaningless. It is only the votes of the swing voters in marginal seats that count. Oh and I am a swing voter in a marginal seat - so convince me. Which way should I vote?

    • TC says:

      02:32pm | 30/05/10

      Oh look. A marnial swinging voter who doesnt know what to do knocking everyone ese. Dont vote Pat, you’ll only get it wrong

    • Old Bert says:

      01:25pm | 30/05/10

      “In the light of present day developments, let me say right away, that I do not regard existing conditions lightly. On the contrary, I have always regarded them, as subjects of the gravest responsibility, and shall ever continue to do so. Indeed, I will even go further and state quite categorically, that I am more than sensible, of the definition, of the precise issues, which are, at this very moment, concerning us all. We must build, but we must build surely. Let me say just this. If any part of what I am saying is challenged, then I am more than ready to meet such a challenge. For I have no doubt whatsoever, that whatever I may have said in the past, or what I am saying now,  is the exact, literal, and absolute truth as to the state of the case.  I put it to you, that this is not the time for vague promises of better things to come. For if I were to convey to you, a spirit of false optimism, then I should be neither fair to you, nor true to myself. But does this mean, I hear you cry, that we can no longer look forward to the future that is to come? Certainly not. (What about the workers?)  What about the workers, indeed, Sir. Grasp, I beseech you, with both hands .I’m so sorry, I beg your pardon, Madame, the opportunities that are offered.  Let us assume a bold front, and go forward together. Let us carry the fight, ahh, against ignorance, to the four corners of the earth, because it is a fight that concerns us all.  And, now, finally, my friends, in conclusion, let me say just this.” Peter Sellers; equally as rivetting as this subject by Mark, and equally as edifying by posters, and Sellers’ brilliant humour.

    • chris lehmann says:

      01:39pm | 30/05/10

      persephone
      labor may of spent its way out of the GFC with money that was left to them, and avoided higher unemployment by the flexibility in the labour market as a result of workplace reform.  but there is no capacity for them to stimulate the economy if there is a double dip recession, if we catch the contagion brewing in europe.  ham stringing our most competitive and profitiable international sector at this time, is just madness!! 
      labor voters/members such as yourself would love us to have turnbull back as the leader because he was closest to your ideology.  you cannot ignore the fact that the coalition turned around its fortunes with the public, after they switched to about.  and i know that you lefties sneer at the stupidity of the man in the street, but the public has shifted its support away from the government, led by a venal, hollow leader, and towards a party led by a strong centred individual.
      your charge that “There have been no signs whatsoever that Abbott is learning from his mistakes. He still announces policies on the run, without consulting with the party room; he still shoots off at the mouth, and has to backtrack”  could just as easily apply to Rudd!!  I think you have a bit of transference going on there…...
      this “class war” strategy by the labor party with respect to the RSPT has the potential to send us back to the industrial mindset of the 70’s and 80’s.
      just admit that rudd was a failed experiment.

    • persephone says:

      07:02pm | 30/05/10

      No, alas, the credit is not Abbott’s but ours - we did shoot ourselves in the foot by a few unnecessary confessions.

      I will shock you all by criticising the Rudd government for—

      * not being on the attack enough, and thus letting good schemes like the insulation program be vilified to a point where they became indefensible, despite the fact that the government acted properly throughout (but now can’t say so, because it was silly enough to apologise for mistakes which weren’t its own).

      *not foreseeing that someone would realise the ETS had been placed on the backburner. An annoucement should have been made at a time of our own chosing, preferably after it had been voted down by the Senate, pointing out that its defeat necessarily meant a rearrangement of implementation schedules.

      Thus a perfectly sensible and foreseeable adjustment to the implementation timetable has been portrayed as a ‘backflip’ despite Labor’s ongoing commitment to an ETS.

      *failing to hammer home the faults of the Opposition, most recenlty by letting Julie Bishop’s security slip go uncensured. Sure, give Stephen Smith a nice opportunity to rant about her in parliament - but it should have been followed up with a censure motion the next day, when it became obvious Abbott was too weak to act.

      * failing to build the case prior to major announcements. For example, the mining tax could have been introduced after a few months of pointing out the needs of mining towns for infrastructure, the huge and unexpected profits being made, etc etc.

      As for Turnbull; the only hope the Libs have of regaining government any time soon, and not sinking into the kind of irrelevancy that they have at State level (OK, the cycle’s changing, but do you guys really want to wait a decade?) is to have a leader who is not in thrall to the hard right.

      The harder right the Libs go, the less electable they will become.

      I agree it probably isn’t Turnbull, but he’s the closest you have at present.

    • Anthony says:

      08:31pm | 30/05/10

      Persphone, glad to see you admit, “we did shoot ourselves…” It has got to be your job to back your failed leader, all sane people with out the vested interest, say like a salary, can at least see the mess Rudd and the labour government is in. There is a real anger out here in the real world to see the sheer waste of money, our money.

    • persephone says:

      07:35am | 31/05/10

      Anthony

      and many of those who have salaries now only have them because of the prompt action the government took regarding the GFC.

    • Anthony of WA says:

      08:49am | 31/05/10

      Persphone, I work in a productive pursuit of my salary unlike you working away to back up a failure who will cost honest hardworking australians there jobs, the value of their super and in the longer run higher taxes to pay off the debt that your failed leader, you blindly defend, has created, if you believe your own comments at least have the guts to put your own name to them.

    • Tails says:

      07:30pm | 30/05/10

      Persephone…what makes you think people care about your opinion so much? Stop replying 50 times to every thread. It’s boring. Go for a walk. Get some fresh air and perspective.

    • stephen says:

      09:15pm | 30/05/10

      Why Persephone replies to 50 or more of your messages, is because it takes 50 or more of you right-wingers to ‘wing’ her.
      She’s smart, and she can take you on.
      Get used to it.

      PS By the way Tails; I’d change yer ‘nick’ if i was you.

    • persephone says:

      11:13pm | 30/05/10

      Actually, Tails, you’ll find - as this is - that most of my posts are responses to people who begin theirs with “Persephone’.

      Politeness dictates to me that, when directly asked, I should answer.

      If you don’t want me here, don’t address posts to me, and that will dramatically reduce my quota.

      BTW, I don’t post on every thread (far from it) and was almost if not completely absent for about four days in the last week.

    • susan Q says:

      12:38am | 31/05/10

      I agree Tails and would urge other critical thinking bloggers to avoid engaging ‘persephone’ or one of the small group of ‘Kevin07’ stormtroopers at all costs.  Not only is it beneath us but will just elevate their sick views and warped ideals to a plane that is not of their level.

      To defend Rudd or his government now is simply illogical and displays irrational thinking or paid trolls.  (Most think the latter).

      Anyway this horrible govt is now deep into its last few days so we can all think positively of the future and get some pride back into this honest, hardworking and fair minded nation.

    • Seano says:

      06:51am | 31/05/10

      Persephone offers sensible and well researched argument, you’ve offered an ad hominem attack.

      I know who’s opinion I’d rather read.

    • Tails Tails Tails Tails says:

      09:34am | 31/05/10

      Stephen - I have no idea who you think I am, but I can assure you, you’re wrong. I have no political allegiance, I’m just a (formerly) interested observer, as I believe most in the public should be.
      And I don’t need a few ‘nick’ this one is just fine. Plus, it’s malleable.
      Persephone- I have no idea who you are or where you’re from but your access to info and instant recall are scary. But if you scroll up, you’ll see your own argument shot to smithereens. You start replies with words like ‘Tosh’ “Nonsense’ and ‘No’. You attack the validity of other people’s views just because they’re different to yours. You seem to be one of those really smart people who just aren’t people smart.
      Seano - if I knew who she was, I get the two of you a room.

    • Seano says:

      07:26pm | 31/05/10

      @Susan Q. I like the juxtaposition of “critical thinking” with your evaluation of those who disagree with your ideals as “sick” and warped”. Nice firm grip on reality there.

      @Tails. So in your world this passes for reasoned comment?

    • Sue says:

      09:30pm | 30/05/10

      Persephone might be a Labor plant whose job is to provide spin for the Punch forums. Desperate times call for desperate measures eh Mr Rudd?

    • Isabel says:

      08:47am | 31/05/10

      I marvel how accurately Persephone speaks for me and am grateful as I simply don’t have the time and energy to do the research she so obviously does. I wonder if we were in the same Argonauts boat?

    • Bleeding Heart says:

      12:39am | 31/05/10

      Pesephone; I remember when a “tax cut” was likened to not nearly enough to buy a sandwich & a milkshake when given to the average wage earner. I dont remember who said that, but Sharan Burrows of the ACTU comes to mind. I am still waiting for her to crawl out from under her rock on this issue but have been disappointed thus far.
      Yet, when 2% or more to the point 0.02c in the dollar is offered all business owners should be enthralled & that doesnt even cover 50% of small businesses in the country!
      Lets add that to the impost of more regulation to the employment market that treats all business as the same regardless of their size or their income.
      I cant wait to see what goodies my 2% will buy me but I am sure that the cost of gaining said 2% will be far greater than the return.
      Interesting articles in the links on your post yet it would surprise me if any of the people who submitted to those articles have ever lived under a labor govt in Australia.
      The ALP stands for wealth distribution over creation, welfare over work, and the fact that all are equal in the socialist way. If all arent equal when they come into govt all will be by the time they leave as they are not intent until they suck all incentive out of the marketplace.
      Strangely enough, all the experts were wrong when the ALP were in opposition yet now that the ALP are in power all the experts are right & you seem to forget that it was the experts that got us all into this mess in the first place.
      The LIBS dont need to win this one, the ALP can reap what they have sown in my opinion.

    • persephone says:

      08:00am | 31/05/10

      Er,no, Bleeding Heart - that was Amanda Vanstone, a Minister in the Liberal government at the time.

      She can’t crawl out from under her rock to comment because she’s serving as our ambassador in Italy, a cushy job Howard gave her to get her to retire from politics.

      You’re welcome to give the 2% back if it doesn’t help you; it’s 2% more than you’ll get under a Liberal government for several years, as Abbott has put tax cuts for business third in line after paying off the debt (which will take much longer under Abbott) and reducing income tax.

      And no, I don’t think anyone in the OECD or the IMF lives in Australia. They impartially assess all major nations (there’s 87 individual countries assessed on the OECD site), taking in a range of indicators.

      This sort of process is very necessary, as those living on the ground can be blinded by their individual politics to the bigger picture.

      Independent assessments can rise above poltiics and provide a more balanced snapshot of what’s happening.

    • Christian Real says:

      05:31am | 31/05/10

      Tails
      Persephone is entitled to have an opinion just like you or any other Australian citizen in this Country,and it shows the typical,arrogant, born to rule attitude problem that Liberals appear to have.
      Australia should never loose sight of the freedom of speech and the democratic Country that we all live in.
      Perhaps Tails, you just can’t handle the truth and that is why you appear to be trying to ‘dumb down’ Persephone’s comments.

    • casba says:

      07:56am | 31/05/10

      @Peresphone.
      Phoney Tony?
      Phone Perse?  Has a ring to it don’t you think?

    • Florence Howarth says:

      12:08pm | 31/05/10

      I am not sure that history will show this government as the worse.  I can think of some that would deserve this label, such as McMahon.  What I am sure of is that this opposition is the worse that I can recall in my 68 years.

    • Jim says:

      01:15pm | 31/05/10

      An August election, not likely more like an august assination, No? Well why did the Govt. release the details of the 7 insulation batt letters between Rudd &  the Rocker ???? Rudd said he knew nothing about the matter; lying to parliment??? I vote for a hung parliment ever time , Better than the defunct DLP &  its promoter Big Don. But not hung UK style. Lets cut the waffle and really keep the B——- S honest.  But after Krudd is gone.

    • just wondering ... says:

      02:46pm | 31/05/10

      Persephone,

      Do you work full time here at the punch forum for Labor?
      Or do you frequent many online discussion boards?
      You may have said so in previous posting here but I haven’t read it.
      I would seriously like to know because you are all facts and figures and seem to have an awful lot of time on your hands.

    • Anjuli says:

      02:29pm | 07/06/10

      I wish Rudd would end all our misery by calling it now ,before he does any more damage to our countries creditability .
      I would vote for an Abbott and Turnbull team , there is no one in the labor I can see as an alternative.

    • Diana says:

      03:31pm | 07/06/10

      tony Abbott doesn’t have to give his policies until Rudd calls an election which most of you who are writing in seem to forget.  If he gave his policies before Rudd   calls an election Mr. Me Too will only steal them as his ideas.

    • Don Clark says:

      09:34pm | 07/06/10

      Bleeding Heart says:12:39am | 31/05/10
      persephone says:08:00am | 31/05/10
      For once, Persephone is not quite right correct. But BH is plain wrong.

      The Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) and the International Monetary Fund (IMF)  are front-rank international organisations.  Australia is a member of both organisations, represented at each by the most senior levels of government. Both Agencies are at pains to gather data direct from member countries primary agencies, which the they analyses and report on independently, in reaching policy positions and international recommendations.

      The IMF was formed under the UN after World War II, charged with overseeing the international monetary system to ensure exchange rate stability. Now with 186 member countries, it is a specialized agency with its its own charter, governing structure, and finances. 

      Australia is a member country. As the IMF provisions require, the Board of Governors, the highest decision-making body,  consists of one governor and one alternate governor for each member country. Governors are appointed by member countries, commonly the minister of finance or the governor of the central bank. Right now, that is The Treasurer, Wayne Swan, and his alternate, the Secretary to the Treasury, Dr K Henry.

      Below the Board sit the 24 Executive Directors, responsible for conducting the day-to-day business of the IMF. Members are appointed or elected by member countries or by groups of countries. Australia’s interests are indirectly represented there, by the Korean delegate, with an Australian official as his alternate. 

      The OECD originally formed in 1961 as a group of mainly developed European countries, since expanding to a far more international scope. Australia has been a member since 1971, and maintains a Delegation to the OECD through the Dept of Foreign Affairs and Trade, at our Embassy in Paris. Like the IMF, as an OECD member Australia is obliged to provide data from its primary employment and statistical agencies to assist the work of the OECD, which has its own skilled staff to collate and analyse information and offering policy analysis.

      So it is utterly wrong to claim (as BH does) that “it would surprise me if any of the people who submitted to those articles have ever lived under a labor govt in Australia.”  We are members of both the OECD and IMF, and our interests are represented by senior Australian officials. The base information is supplied by our principal Agencies (Reserve Bank, Treasury, ABS, Employment etc Dept). As we have been for decades, under every government of every political colour.

      Persephone is for once not quite right either, in the sense that the Australian Delegation to the OECD are certainly Australian citizens, albeit posted to Paris, while our principal IMF officers are the Treasurer and his Secretary. Persephone is quite correct, however, in that the OECD and IMF are both impartial (and I might add, well qualified and very experienced, with deservedly high reputations for expert analysis). 

      All explained on the IMF and OECD sites, but see also
      the Dept of Foreign Affairs and Trade summary for the OECD
      http://www.dfat.gov.au/oecd
      and the Treasury summary for the IMF
      http://www.treasury.gov.au/contentlist.asp?classification=10&titl=Annual Reports

    • Don Clark says:

      07:00am | 08/06/10

      Amazing. The Treasury link works, though it looks busted. The Punch link parser is a bit quirky, pity there’s no preview on posts.

 

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