Kevin Rudd’s proposed Resource Super Profits Tax on mining companies would raise $12 billion over the next four years, most of it in the fourth year. Pretty handy for a deficit-ravaged bottom-line but its true value is between now and the election. In other words, it’s political.

Maaaaaaate. Photo: Ray Strange

Wayne Swan’s third Budget and Tony Abbott’s only (he will be either PM or toast) Budget Reply have laid certain things bare.

First, that the Government is back arguing its claim to being fiscally conservative after a damaging, if economically successful multi-billion dollar foray into recession-proofing.

Second, that a Government, which has been pretty ratshit generally at communicating complex ideas, as shown with its emissions trading scheme, has a long way to go to convince people that its new super profits tax is sound policy. Even punters, whom Labor imagined would jump at a new slug on greedy corporations at the big end of town, appear sceptical.

Third, that Tony Abbott is as punchy as a prize-fighter and still knows just one mode: aggression.

Fourth, that for all his team-inspiring bravado, Mr Abbott has a credibility deficit of his own when it comes to detailed economic management.

And fifth, that Labor’s restraint has forced the Opposition to drop its strongest attack line, the charge that the Government had no path out of debt and deficit. The infamous `debt truck’ has been quietly garaged.

These are the rudiments of the coming election.

As recently as five or six months ago, there seemed little doubt it would be fought on the Government’s chosen ground of the environment. Since then, health has been pushed the fore and education as always is a safe bet for Labor.

Now it is clear the economy will be centre-stage.

The Budget was the last big set-piece for the year after the Inter-Generational Report on population, the politically charged COAG meeting over health and hospitals reform, two important state elections, and the Henry Review of taxation.

Now, there may now be as few as six parliamentary sitting weeks before the starter’s gun is fired.

The Government is pinning its hopes on fiscal rectitude, while the Opposition is committed to disproving it. The election will turn on which side prosecutes its most convincingly.

Profound economic reforms in the Hawke/Keating period notwithstanding, the Coalition has long held the edge with voters on economic management. This is why Peter Costello never stopped reminding voters about about Labor’s $10 billion ``black hole’’ and the $96 billion debt left on the books in 1996.

So deeply ingrained was the message that Mark Latham surrendered the economic fight in 2004 concluding he simply could not win on this ground. Wiser heads prevailed in 2007 but the taint of profligacy saw Kevin Rudd go to extraordinary lengths to neutralise the problem.

He wasn’t just proud to be an economic conservative, he bluffed John Howard to out-bribe him in the campaign and then declared ``this reckless spending must stop’‘. Sound familiar?

This reverse auction was a rarity in Australian politics but it’s back already in 2010. Messrs Rudd and Swan are asking voters to note the conspicuous absence of new spending and its corollary, the quick path back to surplus. Just over $2.5 billion in new spending in this pre-election Budget compares very favourably to nearly $25 billion in Mr Costello’s 2007 final effort. Mind you, one has no money while the other had an embarrassment of riches. Either way, in the wake of the bungled home insulation scheme, and wastage in the school halls program, voters, if anything, have spending fatigue. Now they are more interested in ensuring the economy’s in good hands.

This is Tony Abbott’s opportunity even though economics is not his strong suit. He needs to leverage the Coalition’s fiscal street cred while avoiding missteps like the silly error of putting Barnaby Joyce in finance. But he is yet to prove he fully understands the rigours of budget discipline. His Budget reply was long on rhetoric and light on detail. In a first or second year of a term, this approach might fly but this is the political equivalent of `DEFCON 2’. Electoral conflict is imminent.

Senior Rudd ministers were surprised he passed up the chance of demonstrating his economic credentials direct to voters branding it the ``I’ll get back to you,’’ Budget reply. Obviously, the Government knew he’d oppose the super tax which is why it specifically tied its revenue to funding the few upsides in the Budget: company tax cuts, other business concessions, and a hike in compulsory superannuation. But if this is the trap, it is one the brazen Mr Abbott was willing to walk into. ``The die is cast. Neither side will retreat. The only way to stop this great big new tax ... is to change the government,’’ he concluded. Fighting words indeed.

With big miners threatening a capital strike on one side and a much needed superannuation boost dangling before voters on the other, the stakes are genuinely high.

Get ready for an almighty battle of the sales pitches. At least on that front, Mr Abbott already has a score on the board: emissions trading.

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    • Super D says:

      06:14am | 15/05/10

      All Abbott needs to point out is that anyone who wants to contribute an extra 3% of their wages is free to do so and point out that they currently contribute 9% involuntarily. 

      The extra 3% or 6% super contributions could be mandated immediately by giving everyone a 3% or 6% cut to their take home pay.  Instead it is phased in over a decade to allow the 3% cut to be hidden over a number of years.

      The key issue for employers is total cost of employment.  They really don’t care how much goes in tax, how much to super and how much the employee gets to take home any more than they care how much of their employees’ take home pay is spent on rent, mortgage, booze or clothes.

    • persephone says:

      01:39pm | 15/05/10

      And in those years, whilst the super is being incrementally increased, small business will have received a 2% tax cut.

      If they can’t fund a super increase out of that, they probably shouldn’t be in business.

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      08:06pm | 15/05/10

      persephone : Superannuation won’t be worth a cracker anyway as most funds have heavily invested in resourses .  The share market has already indicated just what it thinks of the ” great big new tax “.
      Those who are about to retire have lots to thank Krazy Kev for.

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      08:53pm | 15/05/10

      persephone :  It seems the ” great big new tax ” on the mining industry has not gone down too well with the electorate . For your perusal , i have taken a few notes from The Australian’s Business Wall St. Journal.

      A special Morgan Poll - taken after the mining tax changed and last Tuesday’s budget and released yesterday-showed the Coalition would win a close election if it were held this weekend.
      The poll , conducted on Wednesday and Thursday nights found Labor’s primary votehad slumped 3.5 percentage pointsin a week to 36% , while the Coalition’s vote increased 1.5 points to 46% , giving the Opposition a two-party preferred lead of 52-48 over the government .

      This is a rather interesting indication from the poll that the electorate is concerned at a government move which they possibly perceive as damaging to investment in Australian resourses , jobs and the economy .
      As Tony Abbott stated in his Budget Reply address :  The die is cast . Neither side will retreat.  The only way to stop this great big new tax is to change the government .

    • Super D says:

      10:05pm | 15/05/10

      Once again demonstrating a complete lack of understanding of business cost structures.  A 3% increase in wage costs is not necessarily offset by a 2% tax cut.  In low margin, labour intensive enterprises a 2% tax cut will not come close to offsetting a 3% increase in employment costs.  The 3% increase in superannuation will result in lower take home pay and reduced employment opportunities for working families.  I don’t understand why the Labor Party has it in for workers.

    • John A Neve says:

      05:39am | 16/05/10

      Super D,

      Your comments on tax and super are flawed. Be it take home pay or a super contribution, the people will pay. The whole idea behind super is to reduce the demands on government eg pensions.

      Unless we address the issue now the demands on government will increase, resulting in increased taxation. The PAYE taxpayer carries this country now, do you want them to pay even more tax in the future?

      The real mistake here, is that Howard and his government failed to implement stage two of Keating’s super plan. Now we will all suffer as a result.

    • persephone says:

      11:10am | 16/05/10

      So it’s a courageous decision made in the best interests of all Australians, Wayne, by a PM who isn’t afraid to spend some political capital.

      Which sort of undermines your side’s mantra that he’s a wimp who won’t take unpopular decisions.

      Really, you guys have to stop blindly attacking and come up with some sort of consistent narrative. You have to do so many backflips and take up so many contradictory lines of attack, it’s embarrassing.

      Whereas, we know Abbott’s a weathervane, a self confessed economic dunce (look at this latest thought bubble, rightly rejected by Shadow Cabinet, who are still furious that they weren’t able to nip his Great Big New Tax on Everything for parental leave in the bud) and a wimp - again, by his own admission.

      Super D

      Didn’t say it offset, did I?

      I said that the 2% tax cut would help them with the adjustment, which is should do if they’re at all competent.

      They have several years of the 2% cut to their taxes before they have to implement the full 3% super rise, which gives them plenty of time to make sure their cost structures etc have factored this in.

    • Rob r Charteris says:

      12:01pm | 16/05/10

      Wayne Fehlhaber says:08:53pm perhaps you should go see what the poll in the SMH says about Abbott budget reply 13000+ people voted with nearly 80 percent thought (just like you comments here) was one big waffle of nothingness. But then again lib supporter love to run and hide behind “the I dont want to release it incase Labor steals it” which is same as him hidding behind Whinge , complain and bleat because I have no real policy on anything. It’s is just another political trick people will see through and are seeing through.

    • Rob r Charteris says:

      12:12pm | 16/05/10

      Wayne Fehlhaber says:08:06pm; more BS from the guru. The fact is it was the mining exec’s own mouths that did that. And when they realised what they did they tried to correct it as reflected in the market. Of course people like you would rather the mining industry gutted Australia’s resources and left us with nothing but big holes in the ground. I reackon it is about the they paid their share. They was an interesting piece in the media state how Queensland mining paid 7.5 billion in tax and royalties over the last 6 years, conveniently forgetting to state hows much money they made. They are full BS just like your biggot of a leader Abbott.

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      04:41pm | 16/05/10

      Rob r Charteris :  your 12.12 pm comment confirms your lack of business intelligence .  You want to bleat about the profits made by the mining industry but you don’t acknowlege the billions of dollars they have to invest to produce the resourses in the first place . No mention of the jobs created , the asociated wealth that is created , allied industries that are built and the creation of further jobs.
      Have you any idea at all just what type of capital is required to mine the resourses and just what the percentage ratio the profit is to those outlays. ?
      Have you any idea just how may billions has been paid to state governments in royalties over the past 40 years. ?
      They have fairly paid their share Rob and will continue to do so providing Labor governments don’t make the industry a low return investment with the arse taxed off.
      Wake up to yourself , you sound like a spoilt 8 year old brat and you display less intelligence.

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      04:55pm | 16/05/10

      persephone :  no pers , it was a foolish decision made by a frightened P.M. , a panicking P.M. thrashing around trying to find a way to put some money back into the nation’s coffers which he emptied during his ” drunken sailor ”  type of spending.
      The ” economic conservative ”  facade has been shattered , the ” reckless spending must stop ” advice rebounded on Krazy Kev in a big way.
      Your mention of backflips made me laugh heartily pers.  Where have you been while Krazy Kev has been outperforming a circus seal in backflips.

    • Rob r Charteris says:

      06:00pm | 16/05/10

      Wayne Fehlhaber says:04:41pm; Yes mister waffler, like i said earlier they loved to say how much they invest but never want to tell you how much they have made…. you dont have to be a business whiz kid to figure that out. It is quite obvious if your prepared to spend million investing your going to get a huge whack back. It doesn’t give you the right to rape the country side. Probably why BHP and Rio and the like are the biggest globally or the Chinese would of wanted to by into it.

    • Rob r Charteris says:

      06:36pm | 16/05/10

      Wayne Fehlhaber says:04:41pm ; gee wayne I guess Peter Dutton doesn’t think it’s all bad, he just brought shares in BHP. It makes your argument a lil pathetic, but I’m sure you’ll keep throwing out the cheap shots typical libarels tend to do that when their arguments are baseless commentary sponsered by liberal spin. Perhaps your the one that needs to grow up.

    • Christian Real says:

      06:20am | 17/05/10

      Wayne Fehlhaber,
      I suppose that you believe that the mining tax will be disasterous for the big mining companies, because Tony Abbott told you and the other faithful liberal supporters that this is the Gospel truth, and now you and other Liberal supporters in these blogs just continue to echo Abbott’s misleading diatribe.
      It also appears that you and others ( with the born to rule attitude problem) Liberals believe that you all have more knowledge and experience than Treasury Secretary, Ken Henry who was architect of the “Resource s Profits Tax”
      This is some of what Ken Henry had to say in the Courier Mail on Friday, May 14,2010:
      “It is the strong and clearly stated view of Treasury that the resource super profit tax will grow the mining sector and the economy”
      The tax was constructed on that basis,and the modeling released with the tax package clearly demonstrates it.”

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      08:44am | 17/05/10

      Christian Real :  I did not have to be told by anyone that Labor’s ” great big new tax ”  would have damaging consequences for the mining industry and Australia’s economy , it was a matter of common sense , something you don’t seem to possess. All you do is parrot off the same tired Labor dogma taught to you by John Neve and his likes.
      Have you yet worked out why the Mining Industry is reacting as we have seen ,  to Henry’s plan designed to tax the arse off them , or don’t you have a brain of your own to figure it out.  ?
      Learn to think for yourself Christian rather than repeat the brain wash mush served up by your Labor minions.

    • DWESt says:

      10:45am | 17/05/10

      Amongst all the Labor-is-less-dogey-than-Liberals teenage p&%sing contest I would like to ask you party robots a question:

      If my business has to pay 20-30% extra in price gouging from big business (petrol, overdraft fees, food, internet)  because Labor and the Liberals BOTH legitimise it,  then why shouldn’t big miners get slugged with a hefty tax too? Fairs fair! (Especially when demand is still superstrong for our minerals)

      It’s not like we live on a level playing field or “free” market, capitalistic economy is it? (I note China is bring in a resource tax too.)

    • Mark says:

      10:14pm | 17/05/10

      So much material below I will be brief but wow this girl is getting frantic.
        persephone says:

        11:10am | 16/05/10

      ” So it’s a courageous decision made in the best interests of all Australians, Wayne, by a PM who isn’t afraid to spend some political capital.”

      Err no. It was a gutless cop out to go after “big business”. He tried to play the xenophobia card. Didn’t work. I bet he was swearing like a ...well like a good church going “christian” labor leader.

        ” Which sort of undermines your side’s mantra that he’s a wimp who won’t take unpopular decisions.”

      He thought it would be popular you goose. That is why he took it. People are just sick of the spin and crap.

        ”  Really, you guys have to stop blindly attacking and come up with some sort of consistent narrative. You have to do so many backflips and take up so many contradictory lines of attack, it’s embarrassing.”

      Err sorry. LAWL.

      Grow up. That tactic is bad.

      ”  Whereas, we know Abbott’s a weathervane, a self confessed economic dunce (look at this latest thought bubble, rightly rejected by Shadow Cabinet, who are still furious that they weren’t able to nip his Great Big New Tax on Everything for parental leave in the bud) and a wimp - again, by his own admission.”

      All I read here is blah blah must discredit. Have nothing else. Play the man. Play the man. OMG look at the polls. Play the man quick.Spin Spin Spin. Quicker SPIN!


        Super D

        Didn’t say it offset, did I?

      ”  I said that the 2% tax cut would help them with the adjustment, which is should do if they’re at all competent.”

      Yes - you have run a small business I see.

        ” They have several years of the 2% cut to their taxes before they have to implement the full 3% super rise, which gives them plenty of time to make sure their cost structures etc have factored this in.”

      Are you really that dumb? Are you seriously trying to sell that crap?

      Get better. The stress is showing from the polls.

    • Luke says:

      06:42am | 15/05/10

      It’s interesting that accusing Abbott of being big on rhetoric and light on detail has any legs considering Rudds whole first term has been even bigger on rhetoric and very little detail to anything they have proposed so far. Big flashy announcements, with catchy titles and labels. Most of wich have been either ditched or have been complete failures (also a lot of negotiating going on still) and wasted billions of dollars in the process. A budget reply speech compared to 3 years of what I’ve just mentioned seems a like a weak comparison. Hockey still has more to announce at the presss club, and Abbott won’t be releasing too much policy or funding untiil closer to the election. I think it might be a little early to underestimate Tony Abbott, he still has time to prove he has the goods. Rudd obviously wants him to spill all his beans now so to have something to fight him back with. But Abbott isn’t going to fall for that trick. Should be intersting times not far away.

    • TC says:

      01:27pm | 15/05/10

      I suspect Abbott wants to give Hockey and a few of his senior people some airtime. The Libs manage themsleves differently to Labor and may want to present a leadership team rather than an individual. Its possibly a lower risk strategy too.
      At the moment however Rudd is Labor. He monopolises the spotlight and uses his people very differently.
      Unfortunately, I suspect that a large number of people vote for a personality but hope Im wrong.

    • persephone says:

      01:44pm | 15/05/10

      Keeping the nation out of recession during a GFC and being able to pay back the resulting spending in half the time forecast seem pretty neat tricks to me.

      And yes, Abbott is big on rhetoric and light on detail, which is why that particular line has legs.

      If Abbott - or indeed, any of his team - had any vision for the nation beyond ‘whatever Rudd’s doing is wrong’, any speech, budget or otherwise, should be a walk in the park.

      Noone expects nitty gritty details in these things. They do expect to get some idea of where the Opposition wants to take the nation in the future, what they stand for and will fight for.

      Abbott’s speech didn’t do any of these things - basically it boiled down to “I won’t do anything which might upset anyone and if anyone out there has any good ideas, please send them Joe as soon as possible, because he doesn’t have any.”

      It’s never too early to underestimate Tony Abbott, but it’s fairly obvious here that more than a few posters are over estimating him.

      The touching faith they show - “just wait to the election, he’ll come up with a policy then!” - makes me look like a hardened cynic.

    • Christian Real says:

      09:03am | 16/05/10

      Luke,
      The fact that Tony Abbott has left the alledged “policy announcements” up to Joe Hockey to deliver when Hockey gives a National press Club address, shows that Abbott is not a Leader and never will be, because he is still so use to being Howard’s attack dog over the 12 years of the previous Liberal government, and he hasn’t been trained to do anything else.
      The real Leader appears to be Joe Hockey who got overlooked in the partyroom as Leader.
      If Abbott had any real leadership qualities(which he hasn’t), he would have stepped up to the plate and announced and outlined his policies in his Budget reply Speech, instead of passing the baton over to Joe Hockey next week.

    • persephone says:

      11:13am | 16/05/10

      Now, now, Christian - they need a week to ask the public to make suggestions to them because they don’t have any ideas of their own, despite blathering on about waste and mismanagement for the last two years or so.

      I think they should offer a prize for the best spending cut suggested by a member of the public - one of Abbott’s old bikes, or something.

    • Adam Diver says:

      09:51am | 17/05/10

      “Keeping the nation out of recession during a GFC and being able to pay back the resulting spending in half the time forecast seem pretty neat tricks to me.”

      Labor forecast that they can pay back the debt in half the time originally forecasted. So the first forecast was wrong the second forecast will be correct because…

    • persephone says:

      11:08am | 17/05/10

      Adam

      You’re right - most economists think that Treasury is under estimating the rate of recovery, so chances are we’ll be able to get ‘back in the black’ even quicker - which is more than a brilliantly good thing.

      Treasury - and governments - like to be cautious about these sorts of things. I remember Costello coming out time and time again to point out that the economy was performing better than expected and thus his budget predictions were wrong (in a good way).

      In fact, I don’t think Costello ever got a budget prediction right, in that he always ended up with more money in hand than he expected - just like this government, which follows advice from the same Treasury he did.

      A much better mode of operation than over hyping government incomings, then finding that programs need to be cut in the middle of the year because the money isn’t there.

    • against the Man says:

      08:15am | 15/05/10

      To suggest rudd has dug himself a hole one would have to assume he was out of the hole in the 1st place. Wrong! Kevin ‘don’t make me angry’ rudd was in the hole from day one. Time for change!

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      09:41am | 15/05/10

      Unless Rudd can convince the electorate that the proposed ” super profits tax ” would not stifle one of Australia’s most prosperous industries , his chances of re-election will be seriously damaged. Australians are well aware that our resourses exports are virtually keeping this nation alive at a time when other countries teeter on the edge of bankruptcy .
      To shackle the nation’s ability to resist the economic contagion raging in Europe by foisting ” a great big new tax ” on the mining industry , is akin to putting the economy to bed with a ” typhoid carrier “.
      The Emissions Trading Scheme would have had a similar effect on Australian industries but the government was hell bent on a means to refill depleted coffers after the ” Krazy Kev ” style of spending the nation’s capital.
      Rudd’s own words ,  ”  this reckless spending must stop ” , will haunt him all the way to the ballot box.

    • Christian Real says:

      08:43am | 16/05/10

      Wayne,
              Treasury Secretary Ken Henry, the architect of the Rudd Government’s Resource Profits tax has even said that it will Boost growth rather than Threaten Growth in the Mining Sector.
              But then again Wayne I suppose that you and the other Liberal keyboard mining experts will have the audacity to say that Ken Henry is wrong, regardless of the fact that he is more qualified than all of you, and knows what he is talking about.

    • Rob r Charteris says:

      12:04pm | 16/05/10

      Wayne “Waffler” Fehlhaber strikes again!!!! on ya guru

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      08:48am | 17/05/10

      The Parrot and the Brat ride to Labor’s doubtful rescue. !

    • Rob r Charteris says:

      06:25pm | 18/05/10

      Better to be a brat than a Waffler

    • Andrew says:

      10:05am | 15/05/10

      It’s good to see TA is not allowing Rudd to dictate what he should be announcing. As hard as Labor try to push Abbott into announcing policy and detail he so far has avoided falling into Rudds trap and it is driving Labor crazy. They’ll just have to go back to attacking him about budgie smugglers and his fitness, the religion attack doesn’t seem to work and either did the women hate Abbott campaign they tried.

    • persephone says:

      01:49pm | 15/05/10

      Yes, the cunning ‘do nothing’ ‘lazy on policy’ strategy works well for him.

      Unfortunately, it’s actually the nature of the man, as his poorly thought out proposal to throw buckets of money at stay at home mums demonstrated.

      When even the fiscally challenged Shadow cabinet can tell something stinks, you’re really jumping the shark.

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      07:57pm | 15/05/10

      persephone :  Frustrating isn’t it luv   ?  Tony just won’t release what Labor would like to lift and name as their policy , will he ?  It’s just unfair pet.  !  that what it is luvvie , but don’t you worry dear , The Prime Monster will get a grab at those lovely Liberal policies real soon now.
      Don’t you worry about that duckie. !

    • Christian Real says:

      08:31am | 16/05/10

      Wayne,
      Abbott cannot release policies that he hasn’t got in the first place, he is an opportunist, a show pony, that has no policies, no ideas or no direction in which to take Australia or Australians now or in the near future.
      Abbott’s lack of policies showed badly when he failed to show that he had a Health policy, during the Health debate,and when he gave his Budget reply speech he again failed to show that he had any policies to put forward, instead passing the task of policies over to Joe Hockey to announce at his National Press club address.
      Abbott will no doubt have his opposition party searching for ideas and clues to even see if they can actually come up with credible policies in time for Joe Hockey’s National Press Club address next Tuesday.
      It appears Wayne, that the only thing that Abbott learnt in the almost 12 years of being a Minister in Howard’s government is how to be an attack dog, as for leadership qualities, Abbott just don’t make the grade.

    • Ryan says:

      10:23am | 16/05/10

      @pers: I am with Wayne on this, I think that the electorate are smart enough to know that the “once bitten, twice shy” Liberal party who had Mr Me Too steal their policies and claim then as his own are hardly the ‘do nothing’, ‘lazy on policy’ party, in fact I like many think that they are holding back until its too late for Labor to theive their policies as their own and only then reveal their hand. Speaking of ‘lazy on policy’ why don’t Labor wait and see rather than making themselves look ‘lazy on policy’ waiting for the Liberals to give them some policies that might actually work that you won’t need to backflip on as usual.

    • persephone says:

      03:36pm | 16/05/10

      Labor has shown no signs of wanting to steal anything from any of the (few) policies or thought bubbles Abbott has presented so far.

      I am increasingly loving the blind faith demonstrated on this site by Abbott’s supporters: he’s got policies, honestly he has, and they’re all costed, just you wait and see…..

      Yet, almost on a daily basis, we have it confirmed that he comes out with things on the spur of the moment, and then has to backtrack on them - either because his party room tells him too or because it’s obviously a silly idea.

      He wouldn’t be doing that if he had policies, or even some idea of a policy direction. He would either be playing a straight bat, giving out no ideas, and saying ‘wait until the election’ or he would be indicating in broad terms what sort of direction he wants the country to go.

      He doesn’t do either of these things, because he can’t. He has no idea.

      I’ve got evidence to back up what I say. People here that constantly spout the ‘Tony has got policies but he can’t put them out in case that big bad Mr Rudd steals them”——don’t.

      The Liberals weren’t even able to put together a decent budget reply, for Heaven’s sake.

      But go on believing—- it amuses me.

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      08:57am | 17/05/10

      Krazy Kev’s flip flop , flip flop flip flop’s and back flips and left right left right left right left right’s are enough to convince the electorate that the desperate P.M. will look at lifting Liberal policy as he did in 2007.
      Consistent polls are indicating that the voters are tired of Rudd’s crumbling ” economic conservative ” facade. Bring on the election. !

    • persephone says:

      11:10am | 17/05/10

      That’s right, Wayne - rely on faith.

      Evidence is just so passe.

    • Mark says:

      02:05pm | 17/05/10

      Awesome pers.

      Evidence is your new byline.

      I am loving it.

      Explain all the policies Labor has. List them.
      Go on.

      A change funding mix so more admin staff can be employed in health. Vastly different to what was promised. So different it bares no relationship to the original. Blame game, it lives on!!

      And tax the mining companies that actually are profitable when they earn the outrageous rate of return of 6%. Oh and subsidise the useless ones.

      Cut company tax rates.

      Raise Super.

      Four. Is that it? Three from the Henry review. You know the “root and branch” change to the tax system. Another war previously declared. Another one surrendered. What a joke.

      When the current Labor party says something you know it comes with the pet Garrett rider of “we will change it all up anyway”.

      So in my estimation they have four awesomely great policy things out there they will probably change up anyway. Four.

      And you want what from the Libs?

      PS the budget reply was great. Left no target for labor to hit. hence the good workchoices scare campaign being hastily regurgitated.

      Lol you lot in that much trouble? Really? Is that all you got.

      AHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA. I love it. The government that electrifies roofs, gives out cheques to dead people and foreigners, that can’t build a school hall on budget, that has back-flipped on everything it “promised” in 2007 resorts to a 2007 campaign.

      Makes sense. More of the same. I don’t believe them and neither do the Australian public. The reaching for straws you are doing only convinces me more the Libs are doing it right.

    • persephone says:

      05:33pm | 17/05/10

      Yes, Mark, because I’m tired of being the only one providing it.

      And because the whole ‘Abbott will bring out policies just before the election, just you wait and see’ belief is so touching it makes me feel all choked up here….the dear, innocent little souls, how have they been protected from reality for so long?

      It’s almost a shame to tell them that the fairy story isn’t real.

      But life is hard, life is earnest, life is real.

      Grownups understand this.

      Grown ups understand that, if someone has behaved a certain way most of their lives, they are going to continue to behave that way, especially when people spoil them and indulge them.

      Abbott has no record of performance - not in policy, not in delivering smaller governance, not in economic knowledge.

      I’m just pointing it out.

      How much evidence has been produced so far to refute me on this?

      .....................................none so far, but I’m patient. I’m sure, like Abbott’s policies, you guys’ll come up with something one day.

      Oh, as for Labor’s policies - gazillions of them, to use Barnaby-speak. A national broadband roll out; paid parental leave; a major overhaul of the health system, far beyond anything Abbott is proposing and far, far beyond anything he delivered as Minister; a restructure of the pension; a commitment to 20% renewable energy; successful buyback of Murray Darling water rights and investment in infrastructure to modernise the system; trial of new approach to drought management for farmers; a National Curriculum, MySchool website; free dental checks for teenagers; the BER; roll out of school computers; more investment in mental health; a mining policy which restructures the industry to encourage exploration, cuts to the company tax rate, increased super, simplified tax returns, e-health records, encouragement for individual savings through an interest write off….oh, for starters.

    • Seano says:

      10:15am | 15/05/10

      Without Howard to pull the strings Abbott has no chance. He’ll make a lot of noise but he’ll continue to be largely ineffective and he’ll continue to find groups of people to piss off. Howard’s old attack dog is unelectable as PM and really should have been put down quietly when his old man was booted off into retirement.

    • Christian Real says:

      09:09am | 16/05/10

      Seano,
              I agree, Abbott is still showing that his days of “Howard’s old attack dog” hasn’t left him and the Liberal party hasn’t retrained him to be anything else,and so he remains all bark, with no policies, no ideas, and no real leadership qualities either.

    • BobM says:

      11:07am | 16/05/10

      If that’s the case Seano, why is Labor down in the polls?  Abbott might be more electable than you seem to think.  Or maybe it’s just that Rudd stinks….

      From Roy Morgon Poll - Federal Poll : Finding No. 4499 : This telephone Morgan Poll was conducted on the evenings of May 12/13, 2010, with an Australia-wide cross section of 571 electors. Of all electors surveyed, 2.5% (down 1.5% from the telephone Morgan Poll conducted on the nights of May 4/5, 2010) did not name a party.

      This Face-to-Face Morgan Poll on Federal voting intention was conducted on the weekend of May 8/9, 2010, with an Australia-wide cross-section of 830 electors. Of all electors surveyed, 3.5% (down 1%) did not name a party. : May 14, 2010
      Today, following the proposed taxation changes and the Federal Budget, the L-NP Opposition would now win a close Federal Election.

      A special telephone Morgan Poll conducted over the last 2 nights (May 12/13, 2010) found support for the ALP 36% (down 3.5% in a week), L-NP 46% (up 1.5%), the Greens 11.5% (up 2.5%), Family First 2% (up 0.5%) and others 4.5% (down 1%). On a Two-Party preferred basis, the L-NP is now 52% (up 2%) to the ALP 48% (down 2%).

      In addition the more reliable weekly Face-to-Face Morgan Poll conducted last weekend (after the Rudd Government announced its Mining ‘Super Profits’ Tax but before the Federal Budget) also showed a drop in ALP support to 51.5% (down 2.5% in a week and down 4.5% in 4 weeks).

      Both Morgan Poll surveys are ‘bad news’ for the Rudd Government.

    • Seano says:

      02:13pm | 16/05/10

      BobM - isn’t it funny how the polls meant nothing to the conservatives for two and a half years and yet somehow now they are massively significant. Even funnier is the fact that Turnbull is still perfered to Abbott as PM (according to the polls).

      Abbott wont win because he is not smart nor disciplined enough to keep his ideology out of it, that and he has absolutely not substance, or policies for that matter. You can enjoy a few poll results here and there but Abbott still has to win this election and despite the hyperbole from the right he is not doing.

      Abbott remains unelectable to a vast segment of the population and it seems to be his personal mission to add people to that number.

    • Evan Findlay says:

      12:43pm | 15/05/10

      After witnessing the the cringeworthy interview between Tony Abbott and Neil Mitchell yesterday I now see why he put Barnaby into the financial portfolio. If ever there were two incompetent fools more uneducated or damaging to the economy I would never ever believe you. I thought Barnaby lacked any understanding of economies and this was no more obvious than when he made statements relating to economic matters but he was way out of his depth and no one took him seriously, well no one that mattered anyway. But after hearing that Tony Abbott proposed a $10,000 cash splash to stay at home mums to buy their votes my disbelief at his sheer lack of knowledge at the basic fundamentals of economics stooped to a new level. Throwing money around like a drunken sailor would only encourage the RBA to increase the cash rate. But Tony seems oblivious to the connection. During his budget rebuttal he stated that Mr Rudd’s reckless spending needs to stop. Compared to Mr Abbott’s idea of fiscal policy and his ridiculous tax to fund paid parental leave I think it’s obvious who is reckless. More middle class welfare to match his other unsustainable middle class welfare. God help this country if the Liberal Party gets voted back in and wastes another financial windfall from another resources boom.

      At least Tony revealed something more personal and closer to the truth during his interview with Neil Mitchell, a statement I could never disprove and that is that he is a disappointment and a whimp. But for Gods sake Tony lose the fake laughter, you sound like your trying too hard.

      And rumour has it that it was a prodigal son who revealed the rolling of Tony’s ridiculous cash splash to Neil Mitchell. After Tony was howled down for his stupidity and ignorance on all things economic during a caucaus meeting some of his colleagues may be having second thoughts and if this fellow colleague did reveal to Neil about the party room spat they obviously have it in for Tony because not only did he come across as a liar but the things he said and his whole demeanour was pathetic.  It appears that the knives might be out for Mr Abbott.

    • BobM says:

      11:10am | 16/05/10

      Evan Findlay - the polls don’t seem to indicate that Tony has a problem - unlike your hero.

      Morgan Research Poll: Federal Poll : Finding No. 4499 : This telephone Morgan Poll was conducted on the evenings of May 12/13, 2010, with an Australia-wide cross section of 571 electors. Of all electors surveyed, 2.5% (down 1.5% from the telephone Morgan Poll conducted on the nights of May 4/5, 2010) did not name a party.

      This Face-to-Face Morgan Poll on Federal voting intention was conducted on the weekend of May 8/9, 2010, with an Australia-wide cross-section of 830 electors. Of all electors surveyed, 3.5% (down 1%) did not name a party. : May 14, 2010
      Today, following the proposed taxation changes and the Federal Budget, the L-NP Opposition would now win a close Federal Election.

      A special telephone Morgan Poll conducted over the last 2 nights (May 12/13, 2010) found support for the ALP 36% (down 3.5% in a week), L-NP 46% (up 1.5%), the Greens 11.5% (up 2.5%), Family First 2% (up 0.5%) and others 4.5% (down 1%). On a Two-Party preferred basis, the L-NP is now 52% (up 2%) to the ALP 48% (down 2%).

      In addition the more reliable weekly Face-to-Face Morgan Poll conducted last weekend (after the Rudd Government announced its Mining ‘Super Profits’ Tax but before the Federal Budget) also showed a drop in ALP support to 51.5% (down 2.5% in a week and down 4.5% in 4 weeks).

      Both Morgan Poll surveys are ‘bad news’ for the Rudd Government.

    • Evan Findlay says:

      03:40pm | 16/05/10

      BobM, I am very impressed with your research and subsequently leads me to believe you don’t vote conservatively due to your diligent efforts to establish your argument and that you can admirably structure your sentences.

      But the problem with your statement is that while Mr Rudd, who is not my hero by the way, has lost some of his shine it has not been reciprocated in an upswing in Mr Abbott’s preferred Prime Minister rankings. Mr Abbott has improved by three percentage points on the last polling but Mr Rudd has tumbled by eight percentage points. At this point I would normally do the maths for a conservative voter to prove my point but since you seem to have a grasp of the Queens English, I will go out on a limb and presume that you are capable of basic calculus. I, and you might know different, know of no election where the preferred Prime Minister was voted out of government. So, by analizing your statistics, the electorate, or parts of the electorate, may prefer the coalition they are still unwilling to embrace Tony Abbott as their Prime Minister. Considering he is the leader of the opposition, and unless that changes between now and the election, you may find at polling day the electorate will stick to the devil they know rather than the devil they fear.

      And furthermore, Mr Abbott’s slight increase in preferred Prime Minister rankings could be argued as an aberration due to a protest vote. A message from the voters to smarten up! The proof wont come till polling day. Let’s not forget that two weeks out from Mr Howard’s re-election in 1999 he was behind in the polls, also an election fought on economic reform.

    • Jack says:

      01:09pm | 15/05/10

      Rudd digs the hole but Tony Abbott will be buried in it.

    • WKH says:

      01:48pm | 15/05/10

      Mark, you said
      ” With big miners threatening a capital strike on one side and a much needed superannuation boost dangling before voters on the other, the stakes are genuinely high”
      It was my impression the 2 are totally separate. Superannuation is being paid for out of our own pockets over a period of time and has nothing to do with this massive tax grab. This is the bit that confuses me. It seems to me that at the end of the day this is really a tax on the super funds. As major investors they earn from the profits of these mining companies. Rudd wants to take 40% of the top before it’s distributed back to the investors. The investors are you and me. Mining has been great for this nation and every one of us that has a super fund is a shareholder in these mining stocks.
      Rudd is carrying on like mining is bad for this country and therefore they should be punished and be made to pay a much higher share of tax than any other industry. Thats the tactic he is using on the smokers to try and claw back some of the billions, and I know that sounds bad but it’s a fact, BILLIONS of dollars this government has wasted. He can’t have it both ways.

    • persephone says:

      09:52pm | 15/05/10

      WKH

      the mining tax pays for the 2% tax break for business, which compensates them for the super rise (and they get the 2% long before the full super rise is imposed).

      Several of the major super funds have come out in the last week or so and said that they can’t see the tax impacting on their takings at all. Remember, theirs are long term investments; they are not phased by the day to day fluctuations on the stock market (and btw, I believe that mining stocks are recovering again, so maybe they’ve got over their ‘fright’).

      No, Rudd has never said, implied, hinted or alluded anything that suggests he has even the faintest inkling of a concept that mining is bad for the country. On the contrary, he has been saying how important it is.

      It’s simply that it won’t last forever and we need to make sure we get the best return for our resources while we have them.

      BTW, there are countries - like Norway - who tax their non renewables far more than even Rudd’s proposing. They are still seen as good places to invest and their economies seem to be doing fine.

      And the billions weren’t wasted, unless you really think creating huge numbers of unemployed, bankrupting industries and going into recession were going to be better alternatives.

    • Evan Findlay says:

      10:34am | 16/05/10

      It hasn’t stopped Peter Dutton from purchasing more stocks in BHP. He must still see it as a growth company that will make profits and improve his financial standing. So explain to me WKH how Peter can stand in parliament and stare down this tax and claim it will harm capital investment and shut down the mining industry and in the same breath inform his financial advisor to purchase more shares in mining companies! It just proves that the Liberal Party is the party of fear and scaremongering. You talk about shares in mining industry taking a hit but you fail to mention that whilst super funds have interests in mining stocks they also have interests in the financial sector, including banks. Since the announcement of this policy, shares in finance and banking have increased in value due extra capital that will fall their way due to the increase in compulsory contributions. Like your beloved Liberal Party you only see the glass as half empty!

      Also if you bothered to read the budget papers the government will be putting $500 into super accounts for those earning less than $35,000 per annum. This $500 will come from the Resource Rent Tax.

    • WKH says:

      12:59pm | 16/05/10

      So persephone you are saying that a raid on profits has no impact on anyone. How so? Who absorbs it so as it has no impact on investors? So now our resource sector need to make more money to make up for the loss that Krudd just stolen so that it will have no impact on investors. Now who pays for that? We do! Magic pudding economics. And as far as wasted billions, Krudd could have done all those things you say he has done but for many billions of dollars less. There is no excuse for waste. None what so ever and to try and justify it highlights what you are prepared to accept to try an protect the reputation of the worst prime minister this country has ever seen. Call Krudd for what he is and suggest better alternatives rather than justify his failings. Makes you look bad. Look what is happening to his standing among the young voters. They are seeing through him so why can’t you? I know you would never support my side of politics but be realistic when it comes to the failings of your own party. That’s how your lot will stay in power. Not by supporting utter incompetence when it is there in front of you in black and white.

    • persephone says:

      03:41pm | 16/05/10

      WKH - not according to the Auditor General.

      I remind people that the message about stimulus packages - from people who are supposed to know something about economics, from the IMF to the World Bank to the G20 - was that the money needed to get out there quickly to support jobs.

      The AG has found that yes, there were some problems, but that these were caused by the necessity for haste and that basically, given the constraints, the outcomes have been better than expected.

      And certainly the alternative - massive unemployment, negative growth, a rise in personal bankrupcies, defaults on mortgages, closure of industries - was far worse.

      And until your party realises what was wrong with Howard and why the Liberals got voted out, you’re not going anywhere either.

    • Jimbo says:

      05:42pm | 15/05/10

      All i remember of Abbot is him and Howard taking over that hospital in the back blacks of Tassie. Whatever happened that? I think that action sums up Abbot’s strongest trait - following a leader - in his adult life first it was jesus, then Howard, now ??mining companies??

    • Marilyn Shepherd says:

      06:03pm | 15/05/10

      Actually the mining story is nowhere near as big as they pretend it is.  Only 7% of the countries entire wealth is in mining and almost all of that goes offshore and into the pockets of the overseas mining moguls.

      They will not leave Australia though and threatening to do it and go to poor countries to exploit them doesn’t wash anymore as they are still supposed to be cleaning up the messes they made in New Guinea, large chunks of Africa and it will take a decade for the Mexican Gulf to recover not to mention the Timor Sea here.

      Don’t believe the lying liars in the mining industry, make them pay.

      After all they don’t own the damn stuff, it can only be mined once and we are practically giving it away.

      But ALL the little Murdoch hacks better get over Abbott and start remembering Bernie Banton instead because that is the true measure of Abbott.

    • Fed Up says:

      06:39pm | 15/05/10

      It is a bit rich to argue that TA should be giving details of his plan for his first year or his analysis of how best restructuring the country. On the contrary he should keep his plans well close to his heart. That way he will avoid Krudd’s me too strategy and giving himself time to organising his own plans and strategically releasing them.
      As for Kevin Rudd his great big new Tax on mining was a overreach and one that made Australia recoil. Coming straight from his backflip on the ETS is maybe the most damaging piece of policy he has now supported. He should know people would not go against mining which has helped this Country go through these hard times….but he thought that class warfare would help his case…..the punters hate big mining barons right?? Well that proved wrong!
      Another issue people are not talking about is that this clean the rack of hard policies we saw in the last few days and weeks really support the case of an unorganised government, one which appears to be drifting on issues…
      I think at this point TA has a good case to take to the electorate..who would have thought only in January that this would be the case???

    • Bradley says:

      07:03pm | 15/05/10

      I like what I see in the polls! Keep your foot on the throttle Tones.

    • S.L says:

      07:30pm | 15/05/10

      The statement the government has been pretty R S on communicating complex ideas is very accurate. Who are their media people (spin doctors)?
      Admittedly Mr Abbott doesn’t need to employ any. He just has to go on the Alan Jones show on 2GB in Sydney.
      I find one of the current governments biggest obstacles is the hostile commercial media. Atleast the ABC gives a more balanced view without taking sides in my opinion.

    • nosthow says:

      08:20pm | 15/05/10

      Tony Abbott going to bat for the big Mining companies is disgraceful and I think the Australian public will see that come election time. Australians own the resources being dug up and sold to China and others so why shouldnt we all share in the profits ? The Mining companies are just putting on a show because its election year - 1 or 2 years from now with the tax in place and Abbott only a distant memory Australians will be the winners and the Mining comapanies just as busy as ever!

    • saskia says:

      12:54pm | 16/05/10

      Soviet Bloc Socilaism 101.  You are clueless.

    • Dave says:

      09:31pm | 15/05/10

      Abbott will only announce his policies when there is little time for them to be analysed…as they never stand up to scrutiny! Don’t be fooled, he showed his true colors in the interview with Neil Mitchell on 3AW…listen for yourselves and then judge for yourselves.  Haven’t heard about it….wonder why the MSM doesn’t highlight it !!!

    • persephone says:

      09:59pm | 15/05/10

      Fed Up

      as I said before, the faith that there is something in Abbott’s cupboard, just waiting for an election to be called so it can be revealed, is almost touching.

      Abbott should rest assured: Rudd has shown no signs of wanting to ‘me too’ any of his ideas so far.

      Rudd showed no interest in nicking any aspect of Abbott’s ‘Divert Attention from Climate Change’ plan; he has not adopted Abbott’s parental leave plan with its Great Big New Tax on Everything; he is not jumping at the opportunity to take anyone under 30 off the dole; his local boards don’t look anything like Abbott’s and although he has guaranteed more hospital beds,  I don’t think this is because Abbott’s idea that these should be increased was exactly new or revolutionary.

      But, Fed Up, you go on believing that Abbott has lots and lots of policies, which he will release just before the election, because if you stop believing that, somewhere a fairy will die.

      And you wouldn’t want that on your conscience.

    • Willy K says:

      12:59pm | 16/05/10

      Give up on Rudd.  He’s gone.  Use the Kevin07 T shirt as a car washing rag and accept that the Christian Socialist experiment has been a failure.

    • Mark says:

      10:47pm | 17/05/10

      persephone says:

        09:59pm | 15/05/10

        ” Fed Up”

      Of your manipulations of facts and fantisies.

      Nah not really. Your increased desperation in justification is hilarious.

        ”  as I said before, the faith that there is something in Abbott’s cupboard, just waiting for an election to be called so it can be revealed, is almost touching.”

      Aww shucks honey how sweet.

        ”  Abbott should rest assured: Rudd has shown no signs of wanting to ‘me too’ any of his ideas so far.”

      Snicker. He will change it all up anyway and renege and back flip and spin disaster anyway. Who cares. Nobody believes the liar anymore. Look at ze polls. They tell ze story.

      ”  Rudd showed no interest in nicking any aspect of Abbott’s ‘Divert Attention from Climate Change’ plan; he has not adopted Abbott’s parental leave plan with its Great Big New Tax on Everything; he is not jumping at the opportunity to take anyone under 30 off the dole; his local boards don’t look anything like Abbott’s and although he has guaranteed more hospital beds,  I don’t think this is because Abbott’s idea that these should be increased was exactly new or revolutionary.”

      Bruhahahahaha. I smell desperation in the air. Playing blame game politics. Isn’t that below the good folk of the Labor party? LAWL. You really are grasping here. My god it must be awful in the bunker at the moment. Everything falling apart. the lies exposed. Julia and Combet sharpening the knives.


        ” But, Fed Up, you go on believing that Abbott has lots and lots of policies, which he will release just before the election, because if you stop believing that, somewhere a fairy will die.”

      Aww you are so sweet today. But utterly clueless still.

        “And you wouldn’t want that on your conscience.”

      Yeh. We like fairies. Like the policy fairies Rudd uses. the ones that sprinkle bullshit dust everywhere and when the going gets, well not tough anything other than msm approved, he starts running.

    • Democrat says:

      11:32pm | 15/05/10

      The Liberal Party apparatchiks are continuing with the line that the current government has nothing to show for it’s current term of office.  Lets review some facts.
      1.  Work Choices abolished;
      2.  $30.00 dollar per fortnight increase in the base rate of pension (the Coalition provided no increase in the base pension rate in their 12 years in office);
      3. A National Education curriculum;
      4. My Schools website - providing parents with information on schools;
      5. 50% increase in hospital funding (prior to the new agreement with most of the States);
      6. Abolition of the cap on the training of GP’s and provision of funding for 33% more GP Training places;
      7. Funding for the training of 1200 new nurses.
      Considering the above - not a bad effort for a government said to have done nothing - particulalry when looked at in the light of point eight (below).
      8. Implementing policies that saw Australia survive the recession that has devastated every developed country and coming out of it with the lowest level of debt, deficit and unemployment level compared with every other developed country.  Hundreds of thousands of workers would today be without jobs if the policies had not been implemented.
      Liberals and their coalition partners are a waste of space.

    • Rob r Charteris says:

      09:28am | 16/05/10

      Kev also appointed a national head nurse, something the nursing faternity had been screaming for, for years and brought that sector back out of the dark ages. Something that Abbott refused to do.

    • Ryan says:

      10:42am | 16/05/10

      @Democrat : is that it? I am pretty sure they promised a whole lot more than than and delivered 8 points. Also just so you get this straight in your head once and for all, there are many respected finance gurus that will explain to you (perhaps with pictures) that Australia ONLY survived the recession because of the mining sector, that would be the same mining sector that Labor wants to thank for their help (with a lovely super tax) in making them look like they actually did something other than spend over 100 billion dollars on absloultey nothing.

    • Saskia says:

      12:57pm | 16/05/10

      Is that it?  OMG!  Rudd has been even more of a disaster than I thought.

    • persephone says:

      03:57pm | 16/05/10

      Saskia

      given that 2, 3,& 4 were along the line of things that Howard kept promising but never delivered, obviously that means that Rudd has achieved more in 2 years than Rudd did in 12, not a bad effort.

      And 8. has seen us survive the worst economic downturn since the 1930s relatively unscathed and will (according to all predictions) see Australia’s economy outperforming almost every other in the developed world in the next few years - something Good Ol’ Tip Costello could never even dream of achieving.

      I think at this stage in his Prime Ministership all Howard had achieved was the sacking of several Ministers, which in turn led to him abandoning his pledge to improve parliamentary standards.

    • WKH says:

      04:19pm | 16/05/10

      Giggle giggle, embarrassing isn’t it Democrat? Best you could come up with hey? If you lot are going to win the next election and you most likely will for christ sake put someone more competent in charge. It’s the damage he has done implementing everything else that has led to the massive waste of tax payers money, money that could have solved our dental crisis was just pissed up the wall.

    • Mark says:

      11:39pm | 17/05/10

      1. So what?
      2. Yes
      3. Who cares
      4. Again so what. So successful that teachers are “cheating” to improve their schools standing. Awesome. It is a website. That is all.
      5. A lie. Check your facts sunshine.
      6. Maybe. At sometime in the future. You know….out there. 2014 perhaps. If they have the cash. if they can find the training space and teachers. And they don’t backflip. A Labor promise means nothing.
      7. Ditto this crap. Maybe in 2014. Promises promises.
      8. HAHAHAHAAH. Took over a economy in great shape. Spent some money. Maimed and killed some kids. Wasted billions. Mismanaged everything. Current polls suggest you are all wrong kid.

      So we have 2, sort of, things they have done. TWO.

      The rest is rubbish. Seriously son get a clue.

    • hot tub political machine says:

      11:19am | 17/05/10

      I find it interesting how on this thread a number of punchers have outed themselves.

      For all interested readers have a look up near the top of the thread and notice how, when certain punchers, when confronted with the fact that the Department of Treasury is probably better qualified than they are can only respond with ad hominems.

      Some advice from this amused watcher: If someone points out that you are in disagreement with the experts, and you respond by throwing names back at the person – you pretty much just lost all credibility with those watching the debate.

      But hey, if your more interested in getting the agro off your chest than persuading people……..

    • Carnegie says:

      12:34pm | 17/05/10

      Can anyone explain to me how the argument that “minerals in the ground belong to all Australians” is any different to the “4 pillars banking policy”. It occurs to me that the banks have “mined” super profits from Australians on the back of the protections provided by the 4 pillars policy. If it is appropriate to level an additional tax on miners, why is not equally appropriate to level a super profit tax from our government protected banks??

    • John A Neve says:

      12:58pm | 17/05/10

      Carnegie,

      I am sure you really know the answer, but just in case you don’t, I explain. Minerals are a finite resource, money isn’t. Once the mineral are gone, they are gone for good, unlike money, which of late we just print more of. Have you got the idea now?

    • Try Harder says:

      01:14pm | 17/05/10

      Certainly, Carnegie.

      Our minerals are a non-renewable national resource. Investment & savings are personal, and arent non-renewable - unless in greed you let the gnomes of Pitt St gamble it away for you.

      As far as I can see,  those touting anti mining-tax aggro here actually know nothing at all about how the tax will work. Couldn’t be bothered to check, as usual - though there’s plenty of well-informed, even-handed comment about it on the public record. Ho hum. What’s new!

      I’m happy to make several bets.

      There will be a mining tax pretty much as outlined, it will function reasonably well, and mining industry will prosper. See, eg Garnaut, Henry, and others.

      And our national deficit and debt, both quite unexceptional in proportion to our total economy now and historically, will turn out to have been a good investment and paid off in good time.

      I don’t do spoon feeding and I don’t do propaganda, so you’ll just have to spend a few minutes seeking out fresh reading yourselves from the hints above. You’ll find I’m right.

      It’s a shame that so many posts from the Right are made in a fog of rather unnecessary ignorance, and not a little silliness. We do have a rather uninspiring government. We would get rather more out of them by arguing from facts, rather than the forest of tosh and rant that is the stock in trade of most posters and far too many Punch authors.

      Call ‘em as I find ‘em. While on a long break, I’‘ve had a pretty fair go here the last few weeks on quite a few topics. Now my busy time is starting up. Dunno when I’ll be back. Perhaps if I need a good laugh…

 

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