Maybe he’s telling the truth but given his experience in the Queensland bureaucracy, it’s simply impossible to believe Kevin Rudd when he says he “didn’t properly estimate the complexity” of health reform.

Kevin Rudd at the Press Club yesterday

A few minutes talking to anyone involved in healthcare delivery is enough to know the sector is hopelessly complex, a spaghetti-bowl of accountability. Everybody’s hands are tied, it’s a black hole for money, it is impossible to please the stakeholders from state governments through doctors’ and nurses’ associations to the voting public, and the line of managers required to sign off on simple things stretches almost as far as the line of patients waiting for treatment at a hospital door.

What Rudd outlined yesterday is in some ways about changing which bank account gets debited for healthcare services. But most people don’t really care about structural reform – they just want to know Aunt Ethel doesn’t have to shuffle around on the bad hip for too long. And when she does, they want someone to blame. Now Rudd is saying you can blame him.

In his speech to the Press Club yesterday he said he was honouring a commitment that “the buck would stop with me”.

OK then. If Rudd wants his government to be responsible for healthcare delivery he needs to be prepared to take political responsibility for it too.

So the next time a woman miscarries in a hospital toilet, Rudd or at least his health minister Nicola Roxon should be ready for that phone call in the middle of the night looking for an explanation. And handle the calls for a public inquiry into service delivery at that hospital if they arise. (Many will recall this did happen in New South Wales three years ago.)

With Rudd taking control of how hospitals are funded and managed essentially out of their hands the state governments won’t want to be copping the political damage when the mines go off.

Rudd said there had been a mixed response when he talked to the state premiers about his plan yesterday morning. But surely the state governments must be inclined to relinquish control. They may even be enthusiastic about it, as they currently shoulder all the blame for problems but cannot raise any money to try and fix them.

And if you think the political blame game is dull you should try reading the policy document Rudd unveiled yesterday. Much of it is nothing new – bringing in old announcements under the umbrella of a bigger reform package – and two things you might expect in a major health reform are notable for their absence.

These are discussions of the needs of patients, and the skills and capabilities in hospitals.

Odd, perhaps, but it underscores that this is not a typical healthcare reform. This is not about taking better care of sick people – who doesn’t want that? – but the political and fiscal labyrinth that makes up how it is paid for and who is responsible for it.

The pointy end is addressed by the national standards which, at least according to the plan, will apply across the country. So if you are due for a hip replacement there will be a standard waiting time. There will also be standards for waiting times in emergency departments. 

If these standards are published and performance is reported on a regular basis – and the policy says they will be – it will set off a bomb in the health system. Think a hospital and GP clinic website from the people who brought you My School.

Rudd and Roxon said yesterday there would be a number of other health reform announcements in the coming weeks and months on hospitals (“especially public hospital emergency departments”), GP care, the health workforce and e-health.

These will be more familiar healthcare announcements – changes to front-line stuff, like reassurances that you’ll be able to see a doctor when you need to, and putting the training and recruitment plans in place to ensure there are enough doctors and nurses with the right kinds of skills.

For an indication of what’s in there you could look at the report of the National Health and Hospitals Reform Commission, which contains 123 recommendations. (There’s a link to it on yourhealth.gov.au.) What Rudd has announced this week is just laying the groundwork for delivering on them if they are to be made government policy.

One last little point. For all the talk about ending the buck-passing, there’s a little clause near the back that more than hints at what you might call wriggle-room. It says: “As part of its national leadership role the Commonwealth will be alerted to poorly performing hospitals … and require states to step in and fix these problems”.

To me this says when Aunt Ethel is still hobbling around and you ask the feds why she can’t get the hip fixed, they can tell you it’s up to your state government to lift its game. Sounds like a licence to pass that buck.

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    • @BlokesLib says:

      06:58am | 04/03/10

      I watched Kevin’s press club speech yesterday. If nothing else I have to at least give him credit for trying. Countless governments have put hospital reform into the “too hard pile” or simply tried to patch a broken system by throwing money at it. I guess the challenge that lies ahead for him now is to navigate his way through the people who knock it for the sake of knocking, journalists looking to sensationalise a story and public who live by headlines alone. He’s got a challenge ahead. Good on him for trying.

    • asdproella says:

      08:15am | 04/03/10

      He didn’t try it is all scripted for him ,even the questions from jurno’s were wrote out for him and he had the answers for them.Is it still a democracy when even jurno’s are tolsd what to ask .???

    • JR says:

      08:56am | 04/03/10

      Credit for trying? Are you serious? They are our government for goodness sakes. No wonder the private sector runs so much better, the people at the top don’t get points for trying, it’s get the results or get lost. Why should they be so different? Trying may make him a good person, but not a good PM. He set the agenda for himself, I won’t congratulate him for attempting but failing to meet his own goals.

    • persephone says:

      09:19am | 04/03/10

      Wow, adproella, the tin foil hat must be really hurting today!

    • annie says:

      09:30am | 04/03/10

      why do i get the impression that this has been put together in a rushed panic without due care. but what scares me most about this government is the looming finacial disaster called the NBN, another project done on the run with no forward planning. aargh

    • John A Neve says:

      09:52am | 04/03/10

      JR,
      Says “No wonder the private sector runs so much better”.  Electricity, costs up. Private roads, costs up. Private health funds, costs up.

      Tell us JR one privatized industry/business that has improved service or reduced costs?

    • persephone says:

      10:31am | 04/03/10

      Annie
      ‘Why do I get the impression that this has been put together in a rushed panic without due care…”

      Because you haven’t been paying attention, perhaps?

      This process started in 2007.  Consultation and investigation started in 2008.  The proposal has been released now, in 2010.

      There’s plenty of evidence of the detailed work that’s gone into putting this together.

      I’m amused at the crossed memes on this issue: on one hand, Rudd gets a pasting because delivery of the program has been delayed by 9 months; on the other, he’s rushing it out.

      Make up your mind, folks!!

    • JR says:

      10:37am | 04/03/10

      The Airline indusrty. Telecommunications (especially mobile phones). The internet industry.

      My point however was not whether these private business’ run better for us, but for themselves. If they are, as you state putting up prices without improving service or increasing costs, and continuing to make huge profits then I’d say their business is running pretty well, far better than our government who love to just burn money. Rudd likes to talk about the 50 billion he has put into the health indusrty, but where are the results? All i’ve heard him state is that 800 nursing places were created, out of the planned 8000. What sort of KPI’s have been shown to say that it was money well spent. If the Coalition did take out 1 billion for the same result, it shows that they ran the health system far more efficiently. But no, people who have this ’ at least he tried attitude’ seem to think its ok to throw money at problems without results. Not good enough.

      Thanks for bringing up the private health sector for my argument. Which runs better? The private or public hospitals?

    • Blossom says:

      10:42am | 04/03/10

      I agree, don’t worry about the Liberal knockers. All The Liberals seem to do is argue and say NO to everything and if they don’t like it they yell conspiracy

    • Seano says:

      11:17am | 04/03/10

      Well the Libs had 11 years under Howard and two years of opposition to come up with a plan. I’m undecided about whether Rudd’s plan will work, although I think that it’s a good sign that the AMA is fully on board. But the Liberals do nothing approach is clearly no longer an option.

    • John A Neve says:

      11:21am | 04/03/10

      JR,

      You really are having a loan of us, aren’t you?

      You cite telecommunications,  Internet and airline industries as shinning examples of privatization!!!

      Based on all I’ve read telecommunications and the internet industry have just about the highest complaint rate going.  As for the airline industry, it’s on it’s last legs in it’s current form. Financial downturns, bankruptcy and government bailouts.

      Come on JR, are these really your shinning examples?  If they are, God help the believers, I’ll just have another drink.

    • Juju says:

      11:50am | 04/03/10

      Seano says:11:17am | 04/03/10   - ‘Well the Libs had 11 years under Howard and two years of opposition to come up with a plan’ - Well Seano, have a look at what the great man himself said in The Australian newspaper today and I quote ’ Mr Rudd said that under current arrangements the commonwealth provided block hospital funding to states, which determined how and where money was spent. “That is like providing a blank cheque,” the Prime Minister said. “Neither the Australian taxpayer nor the Australian government had any idea where the money went or if it went to hospitals. This must stop.” - Read the last line again - blame the incompetent State governments for the condition of the hospital system.  Howard gave the States the GST money and they blew it!

    • John A Neve says:

      11:54am | 04/03/10

      JR,

      You ask “Which runs better, private or public hospitals?”

      Based on my limited dealings with both, are would be hard pressed to see any dfference, both treated me very well.

      Going on all I read and heard Australia has one of the best public health systems going.  Tell us JR, if you ever need treatment which country would you like us to send you to?

    • JR says:

      11:54am | 04/03/10

      Wow John A Neve. Just wow.
      Tell me how many $29 dollar flights you could get even 5 years ago? And that is with the price of fuel increasing.
      I pay $49 a month for over $500 worth of credit and 25c international texts. good luck finidng that deal 5 years ago.
      I pay $39 a month for my internet, I get 3G and dont get charged even if I go over. in 2000 my father was paying per usage rates at our house. his bills were around $70 a month and that was for less usage and about a 20th of the speed.
      And all those deals were given to me 2 years ago, they are better now.

      All you’ve read hey? Links thanks.

      Airline industry on it’s knees, you have got to be kidding. We used to have 2 local arlines. We now have 4 that i can think of, giving cheaper rates and better service.

      We used to have 2 telecommunications companies. We now have 5 that I can think of, with better rates at least. All I know is I haven’t had any issues with mine. Perhaps you saw a story on ACA about Telstra ripping someone off and that why you assume the service is worse.
      Same with the net.

      And after all these improvements for customers they are still runnning healthy profits.

      But even after all that, it wasnt even the point of my post. Even if the private secot still runs poorly, you need to show the government runs better with its, ‘well just give it a go’ mantra as opposed to private companies results based performance criteria. Good luck

      Good to see you didn’t bother to respond to the other parts of my reply either.

    • Henry says:

      12:01pm | 04/03/10

      Credit for trying????  Trying what?  Rudd promised this in 2009!  He ANNOUNCED something to make himself sound grand - with no consultation whatsoever with the states!  Geez you people have low bench marks.

      Rudd knows he will never have to deliver as this plan will never have sign off from the states or the upper house.  He won’t take it to a referendum as if state(s) are against it then the referendum will fail too.

      All in all another fake spin from the master of utter bullsh*t leading the party of utter incompetence.

      one tern in and the Rudd government has not achieved one single positive of note for the Australian people.  The worst government performance in our history.  Made all the worse by virtue of the massive headstart they were given with Costello’s coffers.

    • Macca says:

      12:01pm | 04/03/10

      @Seano, Abbott proposed to introduce Local Boards to hospitals 2 weeks before ago (before Rudd had reached his position).

      Rudd than stated that Local Boards would add another level of Bureaucracy and not help the system.

      2 Weeks later, he proposes a very similar thing, Regional Boards, looking after 1 - 4 hospitals.

      Seems a little like Groundhog Day with the previous election. Rudd copied Howard’s tax and Climate Change approach (remeber, ETS was originally Howard’s approach, irony in politics is never far away), and now he has done a similar thing with Health.

      It’s easy to say the Libs didn’t do anything with the blinkers on… (in saying that, the party I would traditionally trust more with Health would be labor, but its hard to say that living in NSW)

    • JR says:

      12:08pm | 04/03/10

      Cmon John, now you’ve lost credibility. So you are saying that the Private health system is going along very poorly?

      Otherwise, surely you disagree with the new health system reform put forward by the government, as why would we need such a change in a system that works perfectly fine?

      I dont understand why you even made these arguments in response to my first post. Why didn’t you just state.

      ‘No JR, I believe that as long as a politician attempts something, that is good enough for my vote, as it is better than basing performance on results’

    • Seano says:

      12:15pm | 04/03/10

      Juju - nice logic. Howard’s “solution” was to throw money at it with no attached responsibility and it’s not utilmately Howard’s fault that the money wasn’t spent wisely? Ah yeah….ok.

    • John A Neve says:

      12:19pm | 04/03/10

      JR,

      That’s your trouble, your eyesights failing, I have responded to all your comments. Wipe your eyes and have another look.

      Also take another look at the airline industry, the telecommunications ombudsmans site and financial journals.

    • Jack Thomas says:

      12:22pm | 04/03/10

      Kevin 07’s guide to being PM:

      1. Say sorry, mea culpa, I never promised to be any good, etc. No need to follow up with anything. 

      2. Blame the previous government. 2-3 years is nothing, State Labor in Victoria is still blaming the Libs from 12 years ago.

      3. Ignore your broken election promises, missed dates, etc. The media won’t pick it up, so why should you tell them?

      4. Spin spin and more spin. Hell, you haven’t actually done anything so it’s not like you can announce the completion of a project, etc.

      5. Make a disaster look like you are taking decisive action. A hasty scheme that cost 4 people their lives, still have hundreds of thousands of homes potential death traps, wasted millions in taxpayer money, and now will lead to the destruction of businesses is your case in point.

      6. Make an announcement of another pre-election promise, that is basically the same as your (broken) promise from last election. The media will lap it up, it’s like serving yesterday’s curry from the bay maree no one’s gonna know. Tack on a website and bingo, we’ve got another great thing to crow about.

      7. Get your media mates to start asking why the Libs don’t have a policy, ingoring the fact that they are actually an Opposition not a government.

    • JR says:

      12:23pm | 04/03/10

      Seano
      Howards solution was to throw money at it? I have heard Rudd state more than a couple of times that the Liberals pulled 1 billion out of the health system. Go to the ABC website and watch the Q & A ep with Rudd and the teenagers.

      So who is telling a lie? You or Rudd?

    • John A Neve says:

      12:31pm | 04/03/10

      JR,

      Well done, I see you have learnt the manual off by heart. You don’t answer question just trundle on with what you think I said.

      I never said our health system was fine or that the private system functioned poorly. Do you have trouble reading?

      What I said was both had treated me well. Also we have one of the best health systems in the world.

      I also asked which country you would rather be treated in, but that scared you off did it not?

    • Kim says:

      12:54pm | 04/03/10

      JR, I agree with you.  3 years ago, I took my child to the childrens hospital in Brisbane as he had come off his bike, broken a few teeth and had an inch gash under his chin.  It took the hospital 5 hours to even see him.  Then, a trainee doctor comes in and says, “It looks like he might have a fractured jaw.”  An hour later when the resident doctor saw him, she said: “No, it’s not fractured, take him up and stitch his chin.”  He finally had his chin stitched 2 hours later.  8 hours for 5 stiches.  Wonderful.  I then took my son to the dentist the following day to have his front teeth looked at.  She wouldn’t even touch his teeth as his jaw was fractured.  That was my public hospital experience.  They don’t give a sh*t and are also extremely rude..  Get them in and get them out again. 

      My private hospital experience though was quite different.  My eldest son was in a fight (kids who gatecrashed a party).  I took him to the hospital at 3am in the morning.  He was stitched up straight away.  We were in and out within an hour - including the paperwork.

      Are private hospitals better than public.  Definitely.  They are also cleaner and the doctors and staff there “do give a sh*t”.  I would never take my children to a public hospital again.

    • luke09 says:

      12:59pm | 04/03/10

      Annie, this is a rush policy because Kevin Rudd is looking more likely to losing the unlosable election and the wolves in his own party are probably circling him, with the new leader of the pack ready to pounce.

      Kevin Rudd is not only losing faith with the voters but possibly from within his own party.

    • JR says:

      01:45pm | 04/03/10

      i’m the one not answering questions John. I only didn’t answer one, which country I would rather get treated in. Well if it’s private health cover, America. For a public health system, probably Australia. What is your point? When did I say there was huge problems with the Public System here? You said that both Private and Public are as good as one another, so what are you saying? Are both poor, good or average?

      John A Neve says:11:54am | 04/03/10

      JR,

      You ask “Which runs better, private or public hospitals?”

      Based on my limited dealings with both, are would be hard pressed to see any dfference, both treated me very well.

      If you believe they are both good,  as you said then we dont require reform do we. Hope you remember that.


      John A Neve says:12:31pm | 04/03/10

      JR,

      Well done, I see you have learnt the manual off by heart. You don’t answer question just trundle on with what you think I said.

      I never said our health system was fine or that the private system functioned poorly. Do you have trouble reading?

      I refer you to your previous quote in this post. You obviously have trouble reading your own material. If you say that the health system isn’t fine, and that the private system didn’t function poorly, why did you state that you are hard pressed to find a distinction between the two?
      Ill leave whether or not the airlines, telecommunication companies and internet providers are functioning better to readers of the punch’s own experiences. Its a moot point anyway, as you have claimed that private systems do not run better due their execuitives performance being based on results, as opposed to letting people get away with just trying.

      @BlokesLib says:06:58am | 04/03/10

      I watched Kevin’s press club speech yesterday. If nothing else I have to at least give him credit for trying…....

      JR says:08:56am | 04/03/10

      Credit for trying? Are you serious? They are our government for goodness sakes. No wonder the private sector runs so much better, the people at the top don’t get points for trying, it’s get the results or get lost…...
      All I said, if you disagree with that, the I refer you to another post of mine.

      JR says:12:08pm | 04/03/10

      Cmon John, now you’ve ............I dont understand why you even made these arguments in response to my first post. Why didn’t you just state.

      ‘No JR, I believe that as long as a politician attempts something, that is good enough for my vote, as it is better than basing performance on results’

      You also gave no response in regard to KPI’s for the 50 billion this government has put into health care as Rudd has stated.

      Give em enough rope…..

    • annie says:

      01:57pm | 04/03/10

      Totally agree Luke this is all spin he knew before hand that the states would never agree to his plan and that any referendum held would fail. Since federation labor has got only 1 referendum past and that had bipartisan support in 1947. It’s a rushed job to take the pressure of election promises knowing nothing will happen. And if it’s been in the planning stages since 07 as mention the states at the time being all labor would have had some idea of it beforehand. It’s a plan that’s 2 weeks old maximum.

    • JR says:

      02:01pm | 04/03/10

      John A Neve says:01:12pm | 04/03/10

      Mike,

      I’ll take the last part of your post first; No, I am not a public servant and never have been.

      Now with regard to the industries you mention, what’s your point?

      And there it is. Now at least have the guts to apologise for claiming I cant see, and that I have read some sort of manual. Caught in your own spin. Is that you Kevin?

      Like I said. Give em enough rope….

    • Seano says:

      02:19pm | 04/03/10

      JR - For future reference it might be worthwhile reading the whole conversation before making accusations, you wouldn’t want to look like a goose would you?

      Macca - there’s a difference between a sound bite and a policy, someone should tell Abbott.

    • JR says:

      02:46pm | 04/03/10

      My apologies Seano. You were refering to the GST funds as a whole, not Health spending.

    • Macca says:

      02:53pm | 04/03/10

      @Seano “difference between Soundbite and Policy”...

      And where exactly has Rudd given us this? I’m still waiting on some details on the ETS. This policy similarly lacks detail.

      Seems hypocritical to me Seano

    • @BlokesLib says:

      05:57pm | 04/03/10

      All I know is that under the liberal party the hospital system was a total disaster. Under the labor party the same disaster has continued. Lives, yes real human lives are lost while the bun fights continue. I don’t care who the hell fixes it. Just so long as someone takes the reigns & does something about it.

    • Alice says:

      06:31pm | 04/03/10

      Annie
      You state that this has been rushed????
      Where have you been? The ALP have been working on this for over 2 years.
      MMMmmmmm….................

    • alice says:

      06:48pm | 04/03/10

      Henry
      Rudd actually is being consistent with policy announced in August, 2007.
      He and Nicola Roxon put out a statement making “A commitment that a Rudd Labor Government will seek to take financial control of Australia’s 750 public hospitals if State and Territory Governments have not begun implementing an agreed National Health Reform Plan by mid-2009.’’
      “Under a Commonwealth financing model, regional and local communities would directly participate in the management of public hospitals”.
      Never mind the states reaction what about Dutton’s.
      Dutton said the Coalition would block it before seeing the policy, only to change tack and state they’ll look at it first.
      Block, obstruct,bastardise.
      We all know why the ALP can’t implement policies.

    • steve says:

      07:18am | 04/03/10

      Let’s see
      On Sunday it was all Soooo hard to do what he promised during the election about Health, Hair shirt and big I’m Sorry. Then by Wednesday all done here you go Photo opportunity and smug smile. Oh by the way he has to get the State to give up 50Bill in GST hands up any State who is going to give up money? Yeah Right that is going to happen.

    • Margaret Dungan says:

      07:39am | 04/03/10

      Promises, promises..that’s all we get.  I for one am sick and tired of looking and listening to Rudd droning on & on.  How about you get yourself off TV and start doing some w ork for a change Mr Rudd; that’s what you get paid for, not getting your dial on tv YOU ARE NOT A CELEBRITY. Poor old Eddie has lost his throne, now it’s Kevin everywhere!  I would also like to know what he means when he says he wants to change the hospital system for “working families”.  What about the rest of us Mr Rudd? or don’t we count.

    • Alice says:

      06:51pm | 04/03/10

      And you won’t get anything compliments of the obstructionist Coalition party.
      They have made it impossible for a democratically elected government to govern.

    • Old Clive says:

      07:54am | 04/03/10

      Can any resonably thinking person believe in this man, he has picked another contentious issue to pursue, which he knows is going to divide the population again. He has not consulted with the Health Professional wholeheartedly on this issue, sure he commissioned an inquiry and based on that inquiry made a decision without working through the recommendations thoroughly. This man is a divider running a country on aind that doesn’t think things through before he opens his mouth. He is a diplomat through and through, talking, talking,talking, and still more talking.

    • Michael says:

      02:14pm | 04/03/10

      So what would you do if you were PM? Please be specific.

    • Ben says:

      02:50pm | 04/03/10

      Well done Michael, you’re on to something… you can just say that to anyone who criticises the PM’s performance in any area and you can feel all warm and smug without even having to bother with all that thinking crap!

    • Michael says:

      07:58pm | 04/03/10

      The reason I asked is that it takes very little thinking to criticise a decision, in fact it’s remarkably easy. Where it gets tough is suggesting practical ideas as an alternative to a course of action. Obviously asking Old Clive to specify his alternative plan was said with tongue in cheek, as it’s so complex and I know that Clive doesn’t try to prentend he has the answers. But the smugness of pure criticism of the people who need to drive these reforms (without themselves having an alternative suggestion) justifies my smug rhetorical question. Hell, can I be so smug as to suggest that Clive exercise his democratic right to run for Parliament and really take on the Prime Minister?

    • Virginia says:

      07:57am | 04/03/10

      Paul, you are the only journo who has obviously read the document fully. I saw that clause too, buried on page sixty something. Can you imagine the response when Rudd is “alerted” to a miscarriage in a toilet?

      “I will be talking to my state counterparts today to ensure this never happens ago.” And so the buck-passing continues!

      Health is emotive and complex - the reform is bold but it’s scant on detail and unclear on implentation.

    • formersnag not leftard or rightard but centerist. says:

      08:11am | 04/03/10

      this sounds exactly like the reforms introduced by Kruddy when he was QLD bureaucrat #1, Wayne Swan was apparatchik #1, Wayne Goss was premier, & they, known as “the troika” ruled QLD. Another layer of bureaucracy between the hospitals and QLD Health. Resulting later on in Dr Death from Blunderberg. But maybe there is a way, this could work.

      Will the LOCAL hospital board or NETWORK, correspond to local government boundaries? or perhaps federal electorate boundaries? is the best way to solve this, abolishing the states & territories altogether devolving power down to local government? or making your LOCAL MHR, more responsible for what happens, in their electorate?

    • stevem says:

      10:18am | 04/03/10

      That would be very bad indeed. Think of the possibility for abuse of the system. Limit funding to opposition held seats then, come election time, point to the local MP who has allowed their electorate to deteriorate. We’ve all seen this sort of favouritism at work in transport and other public infrastructure and health is too important to allow (more) politics in.

    • debbie says:

      08:20am | 04/03/10

      Obama brings out his health policy so does Rudd,Gordon Brown brings out a binge drinking policy so does Rudd,How far will this joker go…?

    • haydos says:

      04:51pm | 04/03/10

      the iraqi government release a budget, so does rudd… what a charlatan! i think you will find most governments have a health policy. even oppositions.

    • james says:

      08:42am | 04/03/10

      It is interesting how Rudd seems to think that if the process is correct, then the outcome doesn’t matter. I’m also cynical because his track record is terrible. Grocerywatch, fuelwatch, antiwhaling, broadband rollout, laptops, insulation, greenloans, ETS (the greatest moral dilemma of our times). The list is endless.

      One must also remember that he quite loudly trumpeted that he’d take over the hospitals mid 2009 yet when that date came around he dithered and spun and mumbled something about having an inquiry into the issue.

      In addition, why the threat of a referendum? One would suspect so that when it fails, and it will, he can then blame the states for the failure. After all, he wouldn’t go to a referendum on the ETS. One must ask why?

      More policy on the run, I’d hate to be a public servant trying to keep up with his manic schemes.

      Oh well, bring on a referendum and we’ll see what happens.

    • persephone says:

      09:22am | 04/03/10

      The promise was to come up with a reform package by mid 2009, put it to the states, and if they rejected it, have a referendum.

      It’s needed in this case because (under the Federal constitution) Health is a state responsibility and the Feds can’t dictate where the money goes or how health is organised without their consent, unless the constituion is changed via a referendum.

      As there’s nothing in the constitution about climate change or an ETS, it’s not possible to hold a referendum about the ETS.

    • formersnag, not leftard or rightard but centerist. says:

      09:28am | 04/03/10

      Morning james, thank you for earlier sentiments, did you see the comment or answer i gave to you yesterday with john a neve & persephone, please consider.

    • E says:

      11:20am | 04/03/10

      The reason Rudd did not threaten a referendum on ETS is beacuse the policy did not require a constitutional change.  The act of taking control of Health from the state government does - it requires a change to (if i recall correctly) section 51 of the constitution dealing with the powers of the Commonwealth.

    • rob brown says:

      08:42am | 04/03/10

      C’mon Ewan Lindsay, admit it. You are one of Kevin Rudd’s spin doctors…probably spend all day on the forums defending your boss…

    • biff says:

      08:43am | 04/03/10

      Given Mr Rudd’s encounter with Queensland Health when his father passed away he should be well acquainted with the complexities of the hospital system. Mr Rudd’s father’s passing and Mr Rudd’s many tales of his early life as a waif spent living in an FJ Holden should mean that he is unwavering in his commitment to reform the hospital system.

    • Hunter says:

      08:43am | 04/03/10

      I hope Julia is working on a “My Hospital” site so before fronting up at the emergency department the sick can be informed how their local hospital is performing compared to others all over Australia.

    • persephone says:

      09:25am | 04/03/10

      Don’t know about Julia, but it is part of the proposal to have the individual health statistics for each hospital published.

    • Steve says:

      09:05am | 04/03/10

      Now Rudd wants to make health the No 1 issue for this election, i want it to be Climate Change, i wnat to hear more from Rudd, how he was trying to sell us the great big Tax, how he used information that was corrupt, i want to know how he is going to explain this, i want this explained to each australian and broke down to know how much money it will cost, i want Rudd to explain why 2% of our GDP is to go to other countries, and explain why we would be giving money to say Burma, handing them money is basically supporting there regime

      I want to hear more about insulation, i want to hear exactly how much money is now being paid to check each and everyone of these houses, i want him to explain in detail to every australian the cost of this.

      I want Rudd to be interviewed by Alan Jones & Andrew Bolt, so the 7pm project.

      This all wont happen, as this man has no idea, is all spin.

      He talks about health reform, let us remember when he was involved with QLD govt when Goss was Premier it was Rudd that did away with the system and implemented the one that has caused all the problems now, so he is flip flopping yet again

    • Jonathan Appleyard says:

      09:20am | 04/03/10

      Surely Rudd can’t get away with such scant detail on this policy. If the Opposition tried to do this the media would be all over them.

      There is no detail on how this will actually work. What happens when local networks run out of money? Who kicks the can then or do they just keep on spending? And having a federal agency arbitrarily determine what an efficient cost of a hip replacement is a recipe for disaster.

      I don’t see the logic behind state government’s giving up a huge slice of GST revenue but still be required to fund 40% of hospitals, and possibly be exposed to meeting any shortfalls (and let’s face it, this is health so there will be) given the lack of detail in this policy.

      Finally, Rudd’s record shows he can’t be trusted to deliver. If the best achievement they can point to is a website (My School) then it is an absolutely woeful government he is leading.

    • persephone says:

      10:37am | 04/03/10

      JA

      the proposed funding system is exactly the same as the one we have in Victoria. The hospital bills the government for the services provided, and the government pays that bill.

      It does so on the same basis as Rudd proposes - that is, X treatment delivered receives Y dollars.

      It’s not rocket science, and it works.

      Keeping the State governments in the game is important. A regional health network in dispute with the Feds is at a serious disadvantage - the Feds will win everytime. Having the States there are well gives the regional network more muscle.

      Finally, Abbott’s record shows he can’t be trusted to deliver. We know that he is partly responsible for the state of hospitals now, having been Health Minister and having ripped billions out of the system.

      A man who can’t find his way around the desert can’t negotiate his way around a health policy.

    • Randal says:

      01:31pm | 04/03/10

      I would suggest persephone that a government who cannot roll out a simple insulation program without killing 4 people and burning down a hundred houses should be kept well clear of the nations health system.

    • Marie says:

      04:11pm | 04/03/10

      Randell. Your opinion is well said. But no doubt the “apologists” will cover yours and my statement with a cross purpose comment. What the apoligists do not seem to get, is that we all laughing at their comments…..yuk !  yuk !

    • persephone says:

      08:41am | 05/03/10

      Marie

      showing your true colours - the deaths of four people is only important as a political pawn, and are a source of amusement.

      Interesting.

    • Gloria says:

      09:27am | 04/03/10

      I have my doubts, everything Rudd and his Government touch seems to turn to sh@#. The devil will be in the detail I’m sure, and that’s still to come.

    • Joseph Logan says:

      09:28am | 04/03/10

      Whatever has happened to “Climate Change”?
      How can we even be concerned about hospitals if we are all going to fry and be flooded. Remember, diseases,floods,famines,starvation.
      This is the utter nonsense being rammed down our throats by this same man.
      Remember we have a moral responsibility?

      If the “buck stops with him” -why did he demote Peter Garrett, not himself.
      All I can say is “You voted him in”

      Would “little Kevvie” wish he had never heard of “Climate Change” (on a cool day) and “Global Warming” on a hot day?

    • Aitch B says:

      09:36am | 04/03/10

      Nicola Roxon’s interview with Neil Mitchell on 3AW this morning was pathetic. It appears that all they have come up with so far is how they want to fund it and who would administer it. According to her, this is the ‘first part’ of the plan. What the hell?? If you’re going to restructure something as big as national health then surely you have to have a plan in place that covers the entire scenario - not just ‘governance and finance’.

      They are going to release bits and pieces of the plan as time moves on - she said it herself this morning. No doubt the big lollies will conveniently come out of the bag right at the start of the election campaign.!

      This is policy on the run. “Hey, let’s announce it and sort out the details later”.

      PS, BlokesLib: Credit for trying? Sheesh!!

    • Andrew says:

      10:00am | 04/03/10

      Why does this Government keep most of the details in the top drawer? They have done this with the Henry Tax review. It’s in Swans office but the opposition aren’t allowed to see it, and the public are only allowed to hear what the Government decide to leak to the media but not the full detail. Now the health reform, they have finished it but will keep the details under lock and key for a few more weeks and just leak out bits and peices. It leaves me with the impression that they always tweet and change things as they get feed back first on how popular or unpopular it will be. It feels as though their not quite sure about anything they do. Are they just playing games with the opposition by not allowing them to know the full detail or is it because their really not too certain what the best approach is? Do you feel safe with Rudd and any of his ideas? I don’t.

    • Gavin says:

      02:08pm | 04/03/10

      If they only release a bit at a time, the media can only hysterically misrepresent the Government a bit at a time. As it is not a public document yet, they can source out approval or disapproval without the public and media overreaction, ETS style.

    • CherryTrees says:

      10:01am | 04/03/10

      Why do all ‘media hacks’ think that miscarrying in a hospital is sooo tragic.  Hey guys miscarriage happens all the time!! Get off your perch and stop parroting the same old, same old media spin and start reporting the evidence.  Would you like me to explain what this is to you!!!!!!!
      We all know something needs to happen in health and the Rudd factor is a great start!! It’s up to the Doctors to get off their high horses and work with all staff involved in the health sector and stop lining their pockets with gold!!!!!!!!! We also know that it wont be easy to reform.  Hey heres a thought- why doesn’t everybody get off their ‘fat’ backsides and take control over their life and understand the important role of preventative health!!!!!

    • Zeta says:

      10:47am | 04/03/10

      The problem wasn’t miscarriages. They are tragic, and they do happen all the time. The problem was a string of cases where over worked triage staff weren’t able to assess paitents in a waiting room who subsequently miscarried in a public toilet. In the second instance, the patient at least made it into the emergency ward, but then found her self unable to attract the attention of a nurse, so she also miscarried in the nearest toilet. In the third instance (because this is NSW, we need to re-enact tragedies until we get them right) a woman lost twins under the same circumstances, albeit in a different hospital.

      No matter which way you slice it, the string of failures that lead to women being poorly diagnosed and allowed to go to a toilet alone were a problem, and raising it as part of the current health care debate is justified.

      BTW: Exclamation marks are the dodgy Russian ecstacy of the grammar world. It doesn’t matter how many of them you use, the effect is the same, and you still look like an idiot.

    • Fred says:

      10:04am | 04/03/10

      Everyone here must be from the Liberal Party.

      So much negativity it’s not funny!!

      When will your Knight in shining armour come out with his half plan….oh he did for Climate change. Yep, just give them a smack on the wrist, that’ll do.
      What’s his plan for the crappy hosipital system… he’s got know idea.

    • EJ says:

      10:25am | 04/03/10

      The liberals have a health policy moron! It’s just been copied by Dudd!! The liberals have become very smart recently in NOT releasing their plans because they know Mr Me-Too Dudd will claim them as ihis own.

    • Policy tart says:

      10:40am | 04/03/10

      Fred obviously you need Julia Gillard’s Education revolution as then you may be able to spell!
      Your Knight is full of policy on the run and political spin to turn the media cycle!

    • Dennis says:

      10:45am | 04/03/10

      Theses tossers couldn’t even cope with the home insulation rollout so what hope do they have of handling the hospital system?? This is not to mention the broadband debacle, the schoolkids still waiting for their promised laptops. Party of broken promises. Rudd is a joke

    • Macca says:

      12:13pm | 04/03/10

      @Fred, The liberal Policy was to introduce Local Boards to control the budgets and requirements of Hospitals. They would be accountable

      Rudd has said “the buck stops with me”, while keeping the States in control

      All he is doing is alterting the way the Health System is financed, hardly a vision for increasing Doctors and reducing waiting lists.

      As for everyone here must be Liberal… that speaks volumes about your view of politics: Rudd is always right and Labor can never put a foot wrong.

      I’d like to think that an intelligent Australian would be able to constructively analyse whether they like a policy or not (For example as someone who would probably vote Liberal, their climate change policy is rubbish). Basically, if you’re happy to be a yes man, fantastic, but like the rest of the Punchers, I’m going to use my brain, regardless which side of the fence they wish to sit.

    • EJ says:

      10:21am | 04/03/10

      Well said Paul. I think though that nothing will work unless they stop immigration for a few years so that infrastructure can catch up. And we need some responsible state governments actually spending the tax payers money on this infra-structure & not on more sport stadiums , stainless steel roofing on railway stations & unnecessary fancy ticketing flops.

    • Marie says:

      10:28am | 04/03/10

      Why do I feel that this is just another failed initiative.

    • persephone says:

      01:12pm | 04/03/10

      Bec ause years of the Howard government have made you pessimistic about Federal government’s ability to deliver projects.

      Cheer up. Things have changed.

      It’ll now be cricket that gets used to a lot of flourishing but no delivery.

    • luke09 says:

      02:57pm | 04/03/10

      Marie, because two years of Kevin Rudd and all we have got are failures… grocery watch, fuel watch, whale watch, border control, insulation rorts, school building rorts, massive debt, cophenhagen, unfunded NBN and many more to come.

      On the bright side, it helps to experience failure at this level because it makes you appreciate the good management under previous government’s.

      Kevin Rudd has failed so miserably that our next government can’t fail.  wink

    • persephone says:

      08:44am | 05/03/10

      luke, you’re obviously too young to remember Howard’s first term.

      Talk about a shambles!

    • steve says:

      10:31am | 04/03/10

      What we really need is for Kevin Uh-Oh is to talk-talk-talk, prepare as many draft policy documents as he wants, set up new web flashy websites—but please, don’t actually attempt to IMPLEMENT anything program or reform of substance.

      Whidch means there will be a lot less mess to clean up later, and less of my hard earned tax contribution being tipped directly into the dumpster of government waste. 

      For a while there, everyone decried the fact that Kevin Uh-Oh wasn’t actually doing anything—which as it turns out now, is actually the best thing that could have happened.

    • passing wind says:

      10:53am | 04/03/10

      There will also be standards for waiting times in emergency departments. 

      How do you determine what is a reasonable period to wait on treatment? If an emergency requires extra time, what does the doctor do? Surely, there must be some leeway?

    • Seano says:

      11:13am | 04/03/10

      And of course when you have waiting room full of people who should be at medical centres and a genuine emergency patient comes in everyone gets kicked down the queue. So the waiting times seem worse than they are, depending on what the priorities are.

    • Kim says:

      02:01pm | 04/03/10

      Where else can you go in Queensland if not emergency?  We don’t have the Medical Centres in Qld like you do in NSW.

    • fred says:

      10:57am | 04/03/10

      I’m now a Moron beacause the Liberals Do have a Health Policy. “EJ”

      I haven’t heard it. Has anyone in Australia heard it? Maybe it’s just sitting on his a$$ a bit longer or
      Maybe they’re keeping it quiet as Abbots plan involves him going to all Hospitals, Standing infront of the Sick and Waving his hand in the Air. “You will all now be healed.”

    • Seano says:

      11:10am | 04/03/10

      Probably in his budgie smugglers.

    • EJ says:

      11:12am | 04/03/10

      Its a well known fact that the Libs have been talking about returning the hospitals to community based boards, even before the last election. I’ve heard it & I’m sure there are many others who will now come to my defence. Fred I know it must be hard for you died-in-the-wool laborites to see the debacle that is unfolding in Canberra, & being a swinging voter I bear some of the blame because I was sucked in by Rudd’s spin & voted for him….but enough is enough…..meaning that as much as I like Gillard & her social justice outlook, it’s just impossible for Labor to manage the countries budgets…..& that’s the bottom-line.  The country can’t be run of fresh-air mate!

    • Seano says:

      11:29am | 04/03/10

      11 years and they did nothing EJ. Plenty of time to do more than just talk.

      PS. I do enjoy a “swing” voter spouting Liberal party economic rhetoric.

    • persephone says:

      11:40am | 04/03/10

      EJ
      they’re only proposing to do this in two states, so how is that going to fix the problems?

      And it gives Victoria a free kick - we’ve had local hospital boards for the past decade, so by Abbott’s logic, we don’t have any problems with Health.
      ’ Brumby must be thanking Tony for the endorsement.

    • Randal says:

      01:59pm | 04/03/10

      Perse, you spin doctor of double speak, in the post above you say “the proposed funding system is exactly the same as the one we have in Victoria. The hospital bills the government for the services provided, and the government pays that bill.”

      So is not Rudd also endorsing the Victorian policy??

    • persephone says:

      03:18pm | 04/03/10

      Absolutely. One labor government endorsing another.

      Abbott’s stance, however, seriously undermines the Liberal party’s platform coming into the Victorian state election.

      Don’t worry, I’m not complaining about that.

    • Randal says:

      04:56pm | 04/03/10

      You are way off the mark there perse, the issues of the Victorian election will be around safety in the streets, Myki, failing public transport systems.

      There is no votes in health as the community believe that health is up the spout, and whilst it may be better in Victoria than some other States, that comparison is coming off a very low base.

      Any effort by the Victorian Government to put health as a success would be a disaster, hopefully that’s the road they go down as that will be the road to electoral doom.

      The ALP, despite and inneffective opposition leader,  is in desperate trouble in Victoria, you know it, I know it and the real concern for them from the Altona by-election is that votes moved directly from the ALP to the Libs, with little crossover to the Greens.

      If this happens across the State it will be a wipe out and that is why we have seem desperate policies such as today’s crackdown on knive’s, which only highlights what they have not done and will prompt a ‘too little to late’ response from the media and the community.

    • persephone says:

      08:52am | 05/03/10

      Randall, my point was that Abbott is tacitly admitting there are no problems with the Victorian health system.

      If you believe that simply appointing local boards will fix the problems - as you are suggesting - than, by definition, you believe that Victoria has no health problems, because they have had local boards for over a decade.

      I don’t believe Victoria’s health system is perfect, but who am I to argue with Tony Abbott?

    • Luke says:

      11:11am | 04/03/10

      This little beauty is worth nothing and means nothing, just words. Does anyone expect the states to all agree unamonously to give up 1/3 of their GST revenue? Of course not.  And if that happens there is no health reform as promised. All talk and no action once again. When there is no health reform Rudd can now blame the states. I guess it is one way to take focus off their insulation debacle.

    • The Watcher says:

      11:30am | 04/03/10

      He has just announced a plan. How surprising!!! did u leftards ever think that Lil Johnny Howard had to pay of the debt first. Cheer all you like for this load of crap called reform by this hallmark of incompetence we have for a PM. Saddled with debt and we are asking for more. Thats even more incompetent than Rudd.

    • Zeta says:

      12:02pm | 04/03/10

      As well as fixing hospitals, maybe we could also solve the Nation’s power woes as well by traveling to the leafy Tasmanian suburb of Sandy Bay, to Queensborough Cemetary; where we can attach a dynamo to the skeleton of Andrew Inglis Clark, the first drafter of our Constitution, now spinning so swiftly in his grave we could power his entire State.

      Imagine it, a whole network of dynamic power stations. Deakin in Melbourne, Parkes in NSW - Griffiths, Cockburn, Steere, Barton - churning up the earth with their undead outrage at the eroding of what they built over just two decades, what other country’s had fought wars over. Our constitution, which placed restraints on Federal power and enshrined Statehood as the very fabric of what it is to be Australian.

      I’ve had the morning to look at Rudd’s proposal in detail, and it will work, no doubt. But should it?

      Andrew Clark wrote our Constitution’s first draft after seeing first hand the administrations of Washington and Westminster. Australia’s first constitutional scholars recognised that to protect the Australian people, and the States to which they identified, that limits would have to be placed on Federal, and by extension Executive power.

      If Rudd can redistribute tax funds for hospitals, what next? Schools? Police? Judiciaries? Prisons?

      We have Federal and State checks and balances for a reason. Smarter men than Rudd put them in place a mere hundred years ago. Who is he to throw that out the window? We need a referendum on this even if the State’s do roll over and agree.

      And we should vote no.

    • John A Neve says:

      12:48pm | 04/03/10

      Zeta,

      Isn’t fair to say he succesive governments have eroded our constitution?

      I believe the water policy regarding the Murray River is the latest example.

      I would also point out unless I have a doctored copy there is no mention of the states in our constitution.

    • Zeta says:

      02:45pm | 04/03/10

      @ JAN - Yes, successive Governments have eroded the Constitution but that doesn’t make it right. By which I’m talking about the Corporations Acts which have seen the transferrence of IR responsibilities, and the very establishment of a Federal Department of Health extending beyond Quarantine. The Murray River is not an example of that. It’s a river, that runs through multiple States. It’s the very reason why we have a Federal Government, to administer things that cross State boundaries.

      Your copy of the Constitution must be doctored, because there is a whole chapter, 5, from memory, that constitutes the States in details. I think it’s even called ‘the States.’

      If you’re looking for things that aren’t in the Constitution, try the Prime Minister. There is no mention of him under The Executive, only that there shall be an Executive Council.

    • John A Neve says:

      03:35pm | 04/03/10

      Zeta,

      You are correct chapter 5, does talk about states. But this I believe is the trap. When written, states did not exist, colonies did. Could our founding fathers envisage states? I would suggest not and again you are correct, no mention of PM’s, political parties or women!!!

      The wording has, in my view, been altered and without any recourse to the people!!!!!

      Back to water; I refer you to clause 100 “Nor abridged right to use water” . Does planned policy not negate this clause?

    • Andy says:

      12:33pm | 04/03/10

      What Health Reform? There isn’t one until the states agree to give up part of their GST and this is unlikely. I guess Rudd thinks this will do for now, Joe public will think I’ve done something about Health until the election. We are waiting Mr Rudd for Health Reform,. He will take it to the states at the next COAG meeting which doesn’t even have a date set yet.

    • BobM says:

      12:36pm | 04/03/10

      Hey everyone - another Great Big Tax!  ‘The Federal Government has admitted taxpayers may be hit with higher taxes to pay for its landmark hospitals reform. Health Minister Nicola Roxon was forced to concede the shake-up - labelled health’s biggest reform since the introduction of Medicare in 1984 - may end up costing taxpayers. Asked if tax increases were on the cards, she replied: “It certainly means that there may be”. We have to be able to fund the delivery of services into the future,” she told ABC TV last night.

    • peter of Adelaide says:

      12:37pm | 04/03/10

      This latest attempt to fool the public is typical of the very empty and incompetent Kevin Rudd.  Voters are in effect again being told to trust the government.  It is not possible to trust Mr, Rudd as he is always full of feel good words for policies that may take effect after another election or two or three.  This hospital take-over proposal appears to be just another make believe promise. And is very scarce on important and critical details.

      People want the health system fixed, but as with everything else Rudd has touched he does not know how to do it.  Certainly not without some one to guide him. There is no one on the Labor side who has shown they can do that. The previous John Howard/Peter Costello Coalition Government provided the $billions to fix our minor Global Financial Crisis problems.

      Tony Abbott’s ideas to fix the health system will work. Rudd’s will not.

      It was very clear from watching and listening to Mr. Rudd at the Press Club yesterday 3/3/10 that Mr. Rudd just does not understand the enormity and complexity of taking over the hospitals. And obviously thinks he can continue to fool the public. The soft and often pointless questions from the Canberra Press gallery was typical.  It left many wondering what good they really are.  Rudd and some journalists treated it as a comedy show.

      Rudd did and does not understand what a disaster the Rudd/Garrett Insulation roll-out would be and was. We were very lucky that more than four lives were not lost etc. Mr. Rudd has not learned from that disaster. Nor will he ever learn. Rudd just has no reliability, commonsense or understanding. Nicola Roxon looked very concerned at Rudd’s proposals.

    • persephone says:

      08:57am | 05/03/10

      Correction - you mean Tony’s ‘idea’.

      He only has a two word solution to the problems of the health system, and one that only applies to two states anyway.

    • Mike says:

      01:01pm | 04/03/10

      John A Neve you are kidding me? How about the electronics industry, the telecommunications industry, the biomedical industry, the software industry, the Rubbish collection industry to name just a few, You are obviously a Public servant working in a department that mandates the need for 5 people to the job of 1. Just in case the other 4 Public servants need a break, need to go shopping, need a sickie or are on stress leave.

    • John A Neve says:

      01:12pm | 04/03/10

      Mike,

      I’ll take the last part of your post first; No, I am not a public servant and never have been.

      Now with regard to the industries you mention, what’s your point?

    • Cameron Price-Austin says:

      01:42pm | 04/03/10

      @John A Neve, you wrote at 9.52am:

      “Tell us JR one privatized industry/business that has improved service or reduced costs?

    • John A Neve says:

      02:31pm | 04/03/10

      Cameron Price-Austin,

      Just how stupid can you and JR be?

      I asked Mike, “what’s your point”. If he had been reading this site he’d know I had already answered those questions.

      Tell us Cameron, you are not a retired pollie are you?  All the indication are, that you were one.

    • Willy K says:

      02:42pm | 04/03/10

      I’m in the telecomms industy and I can tell you that as a private comp we run rings around Telstra in any field you wish to name - from ARPU to customer satisfaction.  John A Neve you seem to be a Rudd Govt apologist who seems to know zero of which he speaks and has no understanding that the free market drives the economy NOT govt.

      Maybe if you and the ALP tried to do what is right by the majority of people to make the country as a whole stronger rather than simply ‘whatever it takes’ to retain power this country would reach its potential.

      Kevin Rudd is a liar and deceiver of the likes this nation has never known. 

      Every fibre in his being is motivated to simply be popular and retain power at the cost of jobs, lives, security you name it.  He has not got a chalky conviction bone is his fat, bloated body.

    • JR says:

      02:44pm | 04/03/10

      No you haven’t John. You only asked me to name one private company(you actually said privatised, are you implying that only formally government run agencies should count?) that has improved its affordability/service. I named 3 that have improved affordability, then you just complained about their service conveiniently disregarding how much cheaper they are now. And whether there service has imporved is certainly debatable, I certinaly would say yes. Then Mike was nice enough to name another 4 for me, which you hadn’t rebutted. Just admit you were wrong.

    • Cameron Price-Austin says:

      03:00pm | 04/03/10

      @John A Neve,

      Simply answering your question. You asked Mike what his point was. He was responding to your question from earlier this morning.

      It also seems you’ve reneged on yesterday’s promise to not call me names.  smile

      No, I’m not a retired politician.

    • John A Neve says:

      03:14pm | 04/03/10

      Cameron Austin-Price,

      No, I have not gone back on my word, quite the opposite. Based on your posts, I feel you have all the attributes of a politician.

      Please tell, do you have a grey or dark blue suite?

    • Cameron Price-Austin says:

      03:52pm | 04/03/10

      @John A Neve

      I’m more a fan of earth tones.

      I’m not a politician, public servant, lobbyist or in any way involved with any local, state or federal government.

    • David B says:

      01:04pm | 04/03/10

      how can Labor be trusted to run the nation’s hospitals when it can’t deliver an insulation program.  The hospitals are a far more complex issue, Labor simply dont have the skill or backbone required to Manage this.

    • Willy K says:

      01:15pm | 04/03/10

      If Rudd Labor cannot handle a basic insulation project roll out then there is no way on Earth they can handle a health project on this scale.

      Kevin Rudd has even admitted it himself that he is a poor leader and the government has not got things right.

      No way will this ever happen.

    • Public Record says:

      03:48pm | 04/03/10

      The installation was carried out by the ever-efficient, always better private sector.

      “The Australian Bureau of Statistics reports that 61 per cent of dwellings, almost 3.2 million, had insulation in 2008, with 98 per cent of these having roof or ceiling insulation.

      Officials in Garrett’s department told a Senate committee hearing that the pre-program rate of installations was 65,000 to 70,000 a year, with 80 to 85 insulation-related fires a year. Roughly 30 per cent were linked to new installations, on industry estimates. The program insulated more than 1.1 million homes. If 94 fires have been linked to this, the implication is that the fire risk was roughly four times lower than before, even as the number of installations rose 15-fold.

      As for the four deaths of installers, one of them through heat exhaustion and another using foil insulation that Garrett had barred from the program months earlier, they are subject to coronial inquiries. The fact is, however, that the program introduced the first national training program for installers. Remember, this is a field in which foolhardy householders have a long DIY tradition and the insulation industry had been largely unregulated. Where was the concern about safety then?”
      SMH 4 March 2009

    • Henry says:

      05:06pm | 04/03/10

      The project was ‘managed’ by the ever-incompetent, always lazy ALP.

    • Cameron Price-Austin says:

      01:24pm | 04/03/10

      I know this seems like quite a basic question, but what exactly are we trying to achieve here?

      Shorter waiting lists? More beds? Shorter emergency department delays? GP/nurse/patient ratios? Centralized patient data?

      What is the problem with the current system?

      What constitutes a world-class health system?

      It seems to me that a well-defined problem statement and a vision for the solution should precede any proposed implementation and funding plan.

    • John A Neve says:

      02:16pm | 04/03/10

      Cameron Price-Austin,

      Good one Cameron, Now your thinking. “What exactly are we trying to achieve”?

      We have one of the best health systems in the world. Not perfect, nothing is. But one of the best. Problem, a lack of fully trained medical personnel, I am not apportioning blame, we all now who was in power for the last 12 years.

      To lift our health system will take not only money, but time. With the right program and 5-10 years we might have the health system we would all like.

      It would help if we scrapped the private health rebate and put the money saved into the public health system

    • Jenny S says:

      01:52pm | 04/03/10

      We are facing econcomic financial crisis globally, and it is still unstable, and domestically Australia is currently in fiscal budget deficit, we need stability, focus on economic, save money, do not create so many changes, as no one can guarantee such change can bring good, then lets save money in order to face the coming challenge, and focus on economic, make budget out of deficit first, talk more about economic. Funny things is usually under such economic crisis, the more popular person shown in TV screen normally is treasury, but in Australia, it is opposite, very funny to my knowledge.

    • Randal says:

      02:01pm | 04/03/10

      The program offers not one extra cent into the system, fails to address any aspect of patient care and only looks to create more public servants, now centrally based, getting in the way of the ill trying to get treatment.

      It does nothing to end the blame shifting from between the States and the Federal Government, in fact the document specifically states the State Governments remain responsible, confirmed by Roxon on 3AW this morning.

      All this program seeks to do is provide a distraction to the public in an election from the failures of the government and presents a health plan that has 0 new money, 0 new doctors, 0 new nurses, 0 new facilities… and accepts no responsibility of implementing any improvements as this will remain the fault of the States.

      Put simply a do nothing to approach to Health that is akin to moving the chairs around on the Titanic… A typical Rudd plan, do as little as you can whilst selling it as a major reform.

      No wonder the polls are turning!

    • persephone says:

      09:04am | 05/03/10

      Randall, it puts considerably more money into the system.

      The costs of the health system are rising faster than GST revenue, which the States rely on. This means the States can’t afford to meet ongoing health costs without cutting other services.

      The Feds have said that they will meet the gap between GST revenue and the needs of the system. They have also proposed the injection of extra funds in other areas.

      This is where the blame game ends. Any shortfall in funding will be the fault of the Federal government.

      You do, however, need to leave some checks and balances in the system, as local or even regional boards lack the clout to take on the Federal government if it comes to a stoush. Having the States with some ‘skin in the game’ will mean that these boards can appeal to the States if necessary.

      ‘All this program seeks to do’ is honour an election promise to review the health system and come up with suggested reforms.

      It has new money, as I’ve outlined. The Federal government is already working (and has already injected new money) into training/attracting/retaining health professionals in the areas where they’re needed.

      The Federal government has taken responsibility for improving the system, as they promised.

      As I’ve said previously, it’s a lot more complex and well thought out than Abbott’s two word solution which is only going to apply in two states and (from the two words I’ve read) doesn’t say a thing about funding.

    • Andy says:

      03:13pm | 04/03/10

      At last he has his golden opportunity to distance himself from the States. You watch him talk it up tough to them, it’s important in the lead up to an election not to look cosy especially with NSW State Government who is on the nose. It’s all an act.

    • Matt Stewart says:

      03:24pm | 04/03/10

      Kevin Rudd “didn’t properly estimate the complexity” of:
      -Health reform
      -ETS (what happened to the greatest moral challenge of our time?)
      -Tax reform (where’s the Henry report?)
      -Buying computers for schools
      -Fuel Pricing
      -Grocery pricing
      -Setting up websites (gillard manages this one okay)
      -Insulation schemes
      -Asylum seekers
      -Federalism
      -Infrastructure prioritisation
      -Our relationship with China
      -Broadband

      What have I missed?

    • persephone says:

      09:22am | 05/03/10

      An obstructionist Liberal Party in the Senate, who not only can’t keep their election promises but can’t keep promises they made after the election either.

    • Brian says:

      03:28pm | 04/03/10

      Diversion. Nice try PM or Bruce Hawker (the spin master).

      How about the insulation scheme? Who is fixing it? Anyone taking responsibility (with some action)?

      If this guy had any credibility he would follow Abbott’s call foir local boards to run hospitals - local people, vested interest. The only reason that would not work if the ALP got involved which would mean funding goes only to ALP and marginal seats, nothing for Liberal seats….....e.g. infrastructure North Shore and Northern beaches of Sydney neglected by ALP State and Federal.

    • David B says:

      04:20pm | 04/03/10

      I dont get it - apart from a couple of tolken achivements, ALP have delivered almost nothing, have no credibility but yet they are still raging favourites to win the election at $1.28.  Why is it that so many people continue to believe the dribble?  what is it that the masses see in these wood-ducks?

    • persephone says:

      09:25am | 05/03/10

      They still have jobs.

      Despite your slurring of the average Australian, they understand that the government was willing to take action to save Australia from the worst impacts of the GFC.

    • formersnag the swinging voter. says:

      01:58pm | 05/03/10

      http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/yes-minister-meets-alice-in-wonderland-20100220-omsa.html#comments

      No persephone, economic stimulus spending has delayed the onset of recession till after the next election. GFC series 2 is still coming anyway, along with international double dip recession. And it is also the reason why there is now little money left for health care & hospital reform.

      Not that much money is needed anyway. Vast amounts of taxpayers money state, federal has been wasted on health department bureaucracy & bogus building projects that provide kick backs.

    • David B says:

      02:09pm | 05/03/10

      Persephone - you dont consider that the reason we are in a better position than other countries is the fact that we had such a strong surplus at the beginning of the ALP takeover?  Unfortunately, we wont have that luxury in ALP’s next term.  As soon as the election is over we will see the reality set it as taxes are ramped up to pay for our masive debt.

    • Willlllllll says:

      06:40pm | 04/03/10

      The UK’s National Health Service has suffered because of goals and standards being set for waiting list sizes and durations and so on; some regions and hospitals found that changing the recommended treatment or rescheduling surgeries allowed them to move people off one waiting list onto another. This was tacitly encouraged from the top because as soon as waiting lists are visible they become a political football and top-level management want to reduce them, so the bean-counters start using the same kind of tactics that they use to hide budget overruns and tax dodges.

    • Red Barron says:

      06:47pm | 04/03/10

      Is there no end to the number of projects King Ruddy gets his hands on - and never finishes. Now hes picked the daddy of them all, Health,  and in an election year. Must be some method in his madness. Hes lost me !

    • craig says:

      08:11pm | 04/03/10

      Hey labor losers, watch team rudd fail in health reforms here’s why…...trying to tame health care is like trying to drain the oceans - impossible! A smart pm would have a 10 year plan with small achievable goals. This allows us to slowly chip away at the health monster and if you fail in one area you wouldn’t have wasted loads of money. Fix dental and surgery waiting list then move on to staffing ratios, then getting more nursing home beds to get rid of bed block. See even a lay person like myself can do a better job then roxon/rudd the dud duo! Big plans, little results with lots of wasted money - the perfect labor recipe for failure.

    • warren says:

      09:23pm | 04/03/10

      warren
      if this runs anything like the insulation scheme well have the most over regulated ,expensive and inefficient hospital system in the world
      once again like the ETS there is no mention of any improvement in service but just a further tax and power grab

    • Carl Palmer says:

      10:40pm | 04/03/10

      Nicola, please speak to Peter G before you throw the baby out with the bathwater, he may save you some heart ache.
      This is pure gold – ““As part of its national leadership role the Commonwealth will be alerted to poorly performing hospitals … and require states to step in and fix these problems”.

      The clock is ticking – I wonder what type of clock it is.

    • Fran says:

      11:17am | 05/03/10

      Oh dear. I have the sinking feeling again that this is a slapped together project that is design to stop the insulation fiasco being on the front pages.

      Do you think that they will listen to the local hospitals, AMA, senior health people, dare I say even the State Governments?

      Probably not…

      Tony Abbott doesnt have to do anything!!!  and believe me I do not delight in the demise of the health system…..nor should anyone.

      All the liberal bloggers on this site, take note, its not a good thing and you shouldnt delight in such outcomes. While you are laughing your family pays and probably the next generation. We need to hammer Rudd and Co on this and make sure he gets it right.

      Im in favour of a federal take over of hospitals and I think that Rudd is taking the rigth steps forward. ( But I am from Qld) . Im just not sure that he knows what he is doing or how to do it with out cocking it up.

    • Lew says:

      07:29pm | 05/03/10

      I seem to remember that it was goss and his then super advisor Rudd who killed off Queenslands once great and Free hospital system and turned it into the mess it is today, I guess it wont hurt to share it with the rest of Australia..

    • KD says:

      10:39pm | 05/03/10

      One quick point for the idiots who continue to complain about the delay in announcing the health plan….GFC !!! It took more than 5 minutes to solve and delayed a lot of plans, you know the ones that weren’t already being blocked by the LIbs in the senate so that they could say Rudd got nothing done! Is the “do nothing and see if the market fixes everything party” complaining about nothing being done…seriously…people in glass houses…

    • Principessa says:

      12:47pm | 07/03/10

      adsproella, you are so naive.

 

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