If the “people’s forum” at the Rooty Hill showed anything it is that politicians should do more of these televised forums with voters.

Tony Abbott at the Rooty Hill RSL.

Describing them as a high-risk event when you have screened the audience beforehand is a bit of a stretch. OK, they have some risks compared to the usual levels of control campaign managers want to maintain on their leaders’ movements. But campaigining politicians spend hours each day talking to voters about their concerns so they are well practiced for this kind of event – taking questions from people.

So much campaign coverage is about polished lines and stage management that it’s easy to forget the real transactional business of politics – discussing people’s issues and concerns off the cuff – is sweaty, nuanced, civil and can be a lot of fun.

The Prime Minister and opposition leader agreeing to the televised forum with unscreened questions from voters meant knuckles tightening every time an audience member took the microphone. Next topic?

Tony Abbott got video games. Julia Gillard got citizen-initiated referendums.

She also got a confronting question about Labor’s use of attack ads on Tony Abbott which the Liberals say selectively quote Peter Costello. “If you don’t have integrity on that”, Eileen said, “such a small issue, why should I give you my vote?”

Applause.

Gillard forcefully defended herself, saying she could point to pages and pages of similar comments from Costello.

Julia Gillard on the stage with David Speers

The hour each that Gillard and Abbott spent talking to the audience was like a bottled version of their respective campaigns: Gillard was persuasive and methodical in the face of a long line of concerns; Abbott’s appearance had more of a carnival atmosphere.

Gillard was asked about same sex marriage by an angry young woman who wanted to marry her partner.

Abbott wrestled again with questions on the National Broadband Network, to some titters from the audience.

He also declared himself as “against the big end of town” when asked by one audience member if he was going to tackle bank profit gouging. “We love the banks when they are giving us money and we hate them when we have to give it back.” It was a knockabout line, part of his no-stage-for-me, I’m-one-of-you act for the night that won over the audience. (Participants placed chips in ballot boxes after the event and a clear majority indicated they had decided to vote Liberal.)

At the start of the night there were a handful of people in the audience who seemed like they had the potential to produce some serious heckling but it never materialised.

It was an evening of civil, reasonable conversations about problems facing the country. Gillard even asked people to say what was on their minds and shout out if they had a comment. Everyone sat and listened to the arguments.

At one point Abbott stuck his hands in his pockets. The Prime Minister wasn’t as witty as she was on Monday’s Q&A, but then nobody asked her whether she thought Mark Latham was a drongo.

It seems the swinging voters in the room found the event enormously helpful. At the end of the evening, asked to say if the event had helped make their minds up, almost the entire audience raised their hands.

One of them was Trevor Stevenson from Pendle Hill. He’s a storeman, an undecided voter. He got his electricity bill today – it was up, again – and his main concern was the cost of living. “Everything seems to be going up except for wages,” he said.

Making his mind up: Trevor Stevenson

He wasn’t sure who to vote at the start of the evening. Now he knows he’s going to vote for the Liberals.

If you are among the many people who has despair about the quality and methods of political debate during this campaign this was something that could start to change your mind.

What about you? Did it help you make your mind up?

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    • C1 says:

      10:49pm | 11/08/10

      I caught snippets of it in between dinner, herding children to bed and drinking heavily (they do that to you).

      I thought it was an excellent approach that showed what appeared to be genuine people asking questions in a polite manner. No self righteous agenda laden accusations from respective zealots (from both ends of the political spectrum) or smartass smirky digs by Young Liberal/Labourites or staffers.

      We need more of these events.

    • Naomi says:

      08:55am | 12/08/10

      What I want to know is what was the overall score with the voting tokens? None of the media are reporting it. Did it go that badly for the Labor party that the media are not allowed to even report it?

    • Barry says:

      09:04am | 12/08/10

      yes much better than Q&A - for all the reasons you just mentioned

    • Rae says:

      09:06am | 12/08/10

      C1 here here!  I had forgotten to eat dinner, very sad.  The questions were great and Tony Abbott was very congenial,  I was very impressed with him.

      Julia G however I thought she was more like a school teacher with children maybe it is all of the schools that she has been attending, poor kids!  I guess she is so used to speaking to the Fabian Society!

      Not a bad result for the Libs as they were in the middle of the Labour Electorate at Rooty Hill.

      I really enjoyed the idea of this forum rather than the Q&A on the ABC.

    • Daryl says:

      09:15am | 12/08/10

      Naomi, I read today that the tokens at the event went marginally to Abbott and the online poll went overwhelmingly to Abbott. I think it was the first time we have seen the real Julia this campaign. She didn’t do very well away from the script.

    • Chris says:

      09:35am | 12/08/10

      I’m told that the score was 79 for the Liberals and 51 for the ALP

    • Jane says:

      09:43am | 12/08/10

      Naomi - 71 Abbott, 59 Gillard…some still undecided.

      It was a knockout for Abbott. Engaged with the audience so much better than tetchy, argumentative Gillard who remained condescending and aloof atop her stage stool ( her request)
      The sore losers who refused to acknowledge that made claims of a ‘stacked’ audience. The heavily tatooed, punk lesbian was just so obviously a Liberal plant - yeah right. For every ‘maybe’ Liberal leaner ( sore losers called them ‘plants’) I could see at least 2 most likely Labor leaners just on sight value alone if you were choosing people. The ‘swingers’ were picked by Galaxy ...so a little more balanced methodology than your ABC qanda audiences or 9 worm audiences I’d say.

    • Brad Coward says:

      03:05pm | 12/08/10

      I was somewhat disappointed that nobody bothered to ask Julia “Sparkles” Gillard if the government had gotten itself “back on track” because she had been running the show for the last seven weeks.  Other than that, most of the questions asked of her were the same ones that she’d already answered on Q & A, the night before.  In some cases, the PM’s answer was repeated verbatim as per the night before.  Tony Abbott did well to physically have himself at the same level as those questioning.

    • Julie Coker-Godson says:

      03:22pm | 12/08/10

      @Naomi:  If someone else hasn’t told you already the gaming chip poll taken after the forum resulted in 26% Julia Gillard and 76% Tony Abbott.

    • BobM says:

      10:51pm | 11/08/10

      Tony creamed Julia. She didn’t have a hope without her ABC mates carefully vetted questions. And the big $20,000 plunge on Centrebet was obviously a very worried union placing a bet to prop up their girl, who is fast becoming a liability. Put your money on the Libs while you can get $3 - this is money for jam!

    • Phil says:

      08:17am | 12/08/10

      Bob Tony was a much more polished performance thats for sure. I am not sure its a shoe in just yet. Julia picked a dumb policy yesterday (rehashing an old worn out potential train line) and her sitting down as the queen bee compared to Tony coming down to her level could ultimately be vote winner.
      Julia was very negative in her answers, attacking Mr Rabbit all the time. (Not sure if the slang is deliberate or not)
      She looked tired and worn out. Might be the fact that she is unfit, mildly overweight and because she needs to be up 2 hours earlier for hair and make-up whilst he goes for a bike ride.
      Lets see. Last night will be watched by and televised for many it may win the election for the libs. Heres hoping.
      One thing for sure the bullshit device was off the scale when Julia was on.

    • Rae says:

      10:28am | 12/08/10

      Absolutely BobM the Q&A vetted questions makes by blood boil. 

      Good on Tony Abbott he is a decent human being, he has Catholic faith as we are a Christian country this is a good thing not negative.

      I am very concerned for our farmers so a similar event for the farmers to ask questions would be very good for Australia!

      I do hope you are right about putting money on the Libs.

    • Steven Kaye says:

      12:37pm | 12/08/10

      Totally agree, Bob, especially about the betting. These sudden plunges on Labor are such a transparent attempt to try to manipulate the atmospherics of the election campaign.

    • Robert Smissen, rural SA, God's own country says:

      04:38pm | 12/08/10

      Funny how well the Liberals go when Tony Jones the Red doesn’t get to pick which questions get asked. gilard is as phoney as her died red hair

    • Dean Hudson says:

      11:12pm | 11/08/10

      Gillard anyday. Tony may have looked more confident but then he should after all he cruised through with easier questions compared to what was asked of the PM, hardly fair or comparible. I simply dont trust Abbott on Health, brodband and the economy.

    • Tony of Poorakistan says:

      04:07am | 12/08/10

      Dean

      as someone who works in the field; it is the fibre backhaul to regional centres that is essential and that is covered under Abbott’s broadband plan. The thing that changes is that more people will be on high-speed wireless, a technology that is moving ahead in leaps and bounds.

      What he is not doing is digging trenches down every country road to lay your own personal fibre at phenomenal expense to the taxpayer.

    • Taxpayer says:

      07:06am | 12/08/10

      Gee Dean, In my over 60 years and 40 of it professional life, I do despair when hear folk like you.I am no lib,green nor labor, but rather evaluator and life auditor of all parties and who will do the right thing by my blessed country and you for that matter.Not who massages better.
      Information is so important and it seems people like you should channel inteligence into pregmatic and safe mode.Common sense and technology is available to all, use it to decide wisely.

    • farmer says:

      07:06am | 12/08/10

      @Dean: what is the big hang-up about broadband? Try living in a rural area & paying through the nose for it via satellite: if you use too much, your plan is ‘shaped’ - a polite word for restricted speed. Living in urban Australia gives you lots of attention - and therefore lots of spoiling. Sydney has cheap & fast broadband internet. Stop whining. This should not be an election issue.

      What should be an election issue is the mandatory filtering & recording of internet use Stephen Conroy is going to put in place. I guess this is a classic case of google vs China: you are guilty before the citizens assembly decides if you are fit to be innocent.

      On health: compare what Australian citizens have to other westernised countries. I am very safe with receiving health care here - not so in Canada or the US or Britain.

      The economy? Under KRUDD & Little Miss Fibber, we have no money - except for $900 each. End of story.

    • L. says:

      07:42am | 12/08/10

      “if you use too much, your plan is ‘shaped’ - a polite word for restricted speed.”

      You do realise that shaping isn’t going away with the NBN, right..? Shaping isn’t a delivery thing, it’s an ISP thing.

    • sue says:

      08:38am | 12/08/10

      @L we live in canberra and have fast optic fibre to the home, lucky us. Our cost is now under $30 per month.

    • Andrew says:

      09:15am | 12/08/10

      @farmer - I spend half my time in rural Australia and half my time in Sydney now, and if I go over the limit in Sydney, exactly the same thing happens as in rural areas! All plans are shaped, that’s the way they operate.

      I think an Abbott victory went from improbable to very much possible last night, it was a massive gaffe by Gillard to even consider announcing a rail line which was announced in 1998, and then canned and revived more times than the Rabbitohs.

      Siding with the NSW Govt is political suicide.

    • Daryl says:

      09:21am | 12/08/10

      Nah, Dean what you saw was the first time all campaign that Gillard had to think on her feet and had to move away from a carefully scripted event. And she failed badly. On the other hand, Abbott was in his element was articulate and honest and amoungst the people. Lets have more of these so we can see the real Joos and the real Tony.

    • Kirk says:

      09:45am | 12/08/10

      Broadband is better in the cities than it is in rural areas, therefore it’s not an issue?  How ridiculous.

    • Another bungle. says:

      11:11am | 12/08/10

      You should just see the bloody awful mess they are making in Tasmania with the broadband project. They’re stringing thick cables between telegraph poles and truly it is an aesthetic eyesore MESS.  In some places where underground access already existed, they’ve duplicated work (and cost) by running a second trench beside the first.
      The overhead cables look like the aerial conglomeration of a third world city.  They’re doing it the shoddy way because it’s going to be a massive white elephant. Fibre technology will be superceded sooner rather than later .

      They used Midway Point in Tasmania - a very pretty, small town part of the State as a trial run and for today’s NBN launch site.  If you ask Tasmanians how much the Gillard NBN “plan” is going to cost the ordinary householder, they will reply that they don’t know and they certainly are not being told. When the national costs blow out to twice the usual Labor prediction, it will be us taxpayers who pick up another bill, that’s for damn sure.
      Businesses might be able to afford $100+ per month, but families won’t.

    • Stephen says:

      11:29am | 12/08/10

      I cant believe the comments on this site. YES My Abbott was comfortable in the style of questioning, but Gillard handled the tough questions with grace and honesty. On the big issues .. Jobs, ecconomic stimulus, affordable paid maternity leave, broadband .. Labor have the right policies for the future.

      Also, Gillard has ALWAYS believed in fair workplaces, broadband, and paid maternity leave .. unlike Abbott the late bloomer.

      All Mr Abbott can talk about is boats, debt, and taxes. Even though he is the one putting taxes up!

      The Libs havant learnt the lessons of the last election yet.

    • Grumble says:

      01:01pm | 12/08/10

      The problem here is we have diehard liberals on one side and laborites on the other. With neither prepared to admit the other side had some good points. The problem as I see it was Abott went to the people where Gillard spoke down to the audience. This made a huge impact. There were areas that both did not handle well- Abbott did not answer broadband well. There were some specific questions at Gillard bumbled over and her facial expressions clearly gave her away. The other aspect that I did not like was THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. Saying this repeatedly was a total turn off. So the first part of her answer to a question was lost- Christ hearing this statement again. I do believe Abbott won however it was not by the margin that is being thrown around.

    • doug carpenter says:

      01:55am | 14/08/10

      my mother-in-law - almost hitting 90, would not know what broadband is, Could that be the name of a band that Bing Crosby used to sing for? P_S - she lives in Woy Woy and will be voting Liberal, although a pensioner. Watch out for mothers-in-law

    • Philip Crowley says:

      11:26pm | 11/08/10

      Abbott surprised me, to be honest. He came across as a man of the people, a view aided by stepping down from the stage to speak from the front of the audience. Gilllard, on the other hand managed to look aloof and imperious. I’m inclined to think ‘old Julia’ came back for the night. Abbott seems to handle the interaction with ordinary people better, and I’m inclined to think this flows from his involvement in sport and the CFS. I’m still leaning towards my local independent at this late stage, but Abbott is not far from my mind as a stable pair of hands. I’ll see what the next nine days throws up before I finally decide.

    • Barbara says:

      01:44am | 12/08/10

      I have a family member who lives in his electorate and she said that he did the exact same thing during a public forum there.  So it would seem that it wasn’t a stunt.  Apparently both leaders were asked at the start of the day whether they wanted to stand or sit.  We saw the results of that decision.

    • Polywatcher says:

      07:50am | 12/08/10

      Join the people on the floor certainly wasn’t a stunt. I witnessed his presence at a public forum in Seaforth (his electorate) where he was determined to remain in the body of the hall and not take a seat at the top table.  Last night’s choice by him to be with the people on the floor was no surprise to me.

    • The Rampant Fairy says:

      08:27am | 12/08/10

      The difference between Abbott and Gillard is that Abbott is a person of the community, whereas Gillard is just a student of it. His practical experience came in handy.

    • James Shaw says:

      09:45am | 12/08/10

      Agreed.

      I voted for Kevin07 in that presidential campaign they ran and can not believe that Labor used the old bait and switch to put in Julia Gillard. She is simply not up to the task and it does not feel as though she is one of the people.

      It was blatantly obvious that Abbott is one of the people. I’ll be voting for the Coalition after last night.

    • Graham says:

      10:10am | 12/08/10

      I to was impressed with Tony Abbott’s demeanour and his ability to comfortably handle that particular style of forum. If looks are anything to go by (readers of Womens Weekly) then i really like the look of Tony Abbott as a Prime Minister. He certainly has a presence about him and to represent Oz on the world stage he would be a fair choice. His ability to handle and arguably win both the televised debate and town hall forum seems to have taken the electorate by surprise. Win or lose next Saturday, he will have surprised many (particularly the Labour Party).

    • John says:

      12:30pm | 12/08/10

      Like Stephen, I am amazed by some of the comments on here, and always snigger when I recall Bob Hawke’s comment about Australia as the ‘clever country’ as it’s not reflected by forums such as these.  Is anyone seriously considering voting based on how a candidate appears, or how close they come to the audience?  Surely we need to consider their level of knowledge, principles, viewpoints, policies, professionalism and bias to action?  From my perspective I am looking to see who has the good and big ideas and the courage of their convictions to see them through, which is where Rudd failed to a degree.  I suspect Abbott needs to do more than talk about doing less with less, and valuing the taxpayer dollar, as running a household and a country are not the same thing.  Gillard still needs to convince us that she has the ‘balls’ to do the right (necessary, even if not popular) things and do them well, and this includes issues like tax reform (Henry Review) and mining super profits tax.  Let us judge in the areas that matter.

    • Richard M says:

      11:37pm | 11/08/10

      You can’t be serious.  This event, organised as it was by the Sydney Tele, whose campaign against Labor must be embarrassing even to their own journalists, and Sky News, the Liberal Party’s Official Election Channel, was a joke.  A complete farce.  The whole thing was so shamelessly rigged in favour of Abbott, , with its friendly questions and its fawning audience of Liberal stooges, even Sky may have gone too far this time. No intelligent person could take it seriously.  It proved nothing except that the Liberal Party’s mates will literally stop at nothing to push its interests, even rigging a nationally televised political debate.  No wonder Sky refused a feed to the ABC.

    • Sirro says:

      01:11am | 12/08/10

      What balony.

      I suppose they just planted that Lesbian Sheila to ask Jules a toughy on why Labor wont allow Gay marriage but is so keen to make sure they arnt discrimiated against.

      It seemed pretty fair and pretty square to me ... Im biased but I thought Gillard pretty much stuck to the normal Labor script (blame everything on everyone else and claim credit for saving 200K jobs by spending as much as possible).

      Abbot came accross as pretty genuine and straight. Said he wouldnt promise anything he couldnt deliver and pointed out that their is only so much money to go around.

    • elhombre says:

      01:15am | 12/08/10

      Hey Richard M, can you honestly believe that Labour, after all the waste, corruption, lies, internal hatred and sheer, breathtaking incompetence deserve to be voted back in?? What on earth can be going through your mind??

    • Warren says:

      01:48am | 12/08/10

      For a second there I thought you were describing the Q & A session on the ABC the other night.  Conspiracies abound when it doesn’t go well for Labor.  Keep blaming everyone else except your leader, and watch as your campaign goes down the toilet.

    • Denis A says:

      03:44am | 12/08/10

      Agree with you.
      Sky News is starting to resemble Fox news more and more.

    • Jacob M says:

      07:19am | 12/08/10

      can’t agree with you more and the sorry thing about it is that we pay for this garbage

    • Taxpayer says:

      07:43am | 12/08/10

      Rigging socialist ABC and Sky? You cant be serious. I managed Foreign correspondent business accounts some years ago for a short while and had to run run run- Richards :you need to either: changed chanel, go out a bit more or just stick to Comedy company. You are planting bad virus into obviously healthy brain.
      Change your social circle- sorry, I forgot you are public servant!

    • Joe Blow says:

      08:17am | 12/08/10

      @ Jacob M.  No Jacob we didn’t pay for this.  However, all taxpayers did pay for the hour-long Gillard campaign ad that was the ABC’s Q&A program!  You’re just a little mixed up, eh?

    • Jacob M says:

      08:50am | 12/08/10

      Joe Blow you sound like a bored school kid. I meant I pay my Foxtel Bill. The ABC is free to all. Foxtel charges. I gather you don’t pay your bill, if you have it!! Go ask Mummy and Daddy

    • Rob r Charteris says:

      08:57am | 12/08/10

      Richard M says:11:37pm; Couldn’t agree more with you it was a complete farce. I liked the way David Speers moved that questioner on as soon as it looked like rAbbott was about to stumble. I lady that was obviously offended by ALP advertising rAbbott economic credentials offer by Costello, you can’t tell me she was an undecided voter. rAbbott failed to answer the hard questions on his proposed cuts to Health, GP super clinics, Trade training centres, with his nearly $30 billion dollars of campaign spending, bring the budget back to surplus. In fact if he willing to spend so much the economy is hardly in the shape he seems to like to harp on about…etc…etc… it was a farce and rAbbott is just that a rabbit. You can always tell when he’s lying too, he stay smirking when he talks…. the classic was when he said “The name Work Choices is dead” he does this quite a bit. Now he is desperately trying to link Labor state government with federal government.

    • MarK says:

      09:09am | 12/08/10

      “organised as it was by the Sydney Tele, whose campaign against Labor must be embarrassing even to their own journalists”

      Kochie and Hartcher from channel 7 say Hi!!!

    • MarK says:

      09:19am | 12/08/10

      Lol rAbbott Rob. I don’t really get it but whatever.

      By the way Bitar - Arbib and the NSW right are up to their necks in the behind the scenes crap at federal level.

      Ther is no need to “desperately” link the two. The link is there.

      Deal with it. NSW has had to. All we can do is warn the country.

    • Dash says:

      09:26am | 12/08/10

      A massive taste of sour grapes here! You clearly didn’t enjoy seeing the REAL Julia for the first time this campaign Richard!

    • fehowarth says:

      09:34am | 12/08/10

      This is not an old fashion town hall event.  Old fashion town hall meetings were open to all comers.  I am suspicious of people who say they are swinging voters or that they are changing their votes.  I would rather see the audience made up of people who are rusted on to their party.  It would mean that both leaders would have a hard time.  It would lead to harder questions being asked.  It is amazing that the count after the show is very much like every poll on the Telegraph site.  (Give or take 20% Gillard.  80$ Abbott).  I do not know if this represents Telegraph readers or not.

    • Rob r Charteris says:

      10:06am | 12/08/10

      fehowarth says:09:34am; did you notice the questioners weren’t standing up from their seats and coming to the microphone? they were being scrutinised off camera and then sent to the seat next to the Lecturn to wait for their turn. Funny that eh’ naaaaah it wasn’t stacked at all, if you believe that then you’ll beleive anything or maybe Mr Peacock’s analogy might suit but I’m not liberal so would stoop that low.

      MarK, yes mark whatever you say mark.

    • All says:

      10:11am | 12/08/10

      Don,t panic, Q & A will get their revenge next Monday when Abbott is the guest.  Tony Jones, Gillard and the faceless men will have already chosen the ‘independent, unaligned’  audience and have handed out the questions to be asked. They are probably holding meetings right now to practice delivery, heckling and snickers.

    • Jason Smith says:

      10:14am | 12/08/10

      Sirro are you kidding or what.

      How come Tony wasn’t asked the same question about gay marriage?
      I don’t vote for either party but to say Abbot had the same scrutiny as Gillard in that debate is a screaming joke. Anyone here that says otherwise needs to get some balance in their thinking.

    • MarK says:

      10:20am | 12/08/10

      ”  MarK, yes mark whatever you say mark”

      Finally Rob you are coming around. Stick with me son and I will make you a star (with apologies to Cocktail and BBrown)

    • john says:

      10:32am | 12/08/10

      Thanks Richard M, I needed a laugh this morning, however, assuming you weren’t joking you have got to be kidding if you see Sky news is liberal leaning. It’s all in the eye of the beholder as when I watch sky news I could throw a brick at the telly due to their overt labour leaning.

    • jenni says:

      11:29am | 12/08/10

      And you are telling us that Q&A wasn’t a setup last Monday night?
      Or that the 7.30 report wasn’t loaded!
      Gillard was answering before the questions where even asked!
      So please don’t talk about bias to me.

    • Grumble says:

      01:27pm | 12/08/10

      I believe this issue goes far further than a so called set up. There are lessons for both leaders, Gillard is clearly in trouble when she cannot clearly control the situation. It was highly evident that she was clearly out of her confort zone with this type of discussion and she has to work on it. Perhaps she could pick a few cues on reviewing what Abbott did with the audience. On the other hand Abbott made a stuff up with the broadband issue. He knowing that his program was six bill for his proposal and labor was 43 bill. Blind freddie could clearly see he would be closely scrutinised on this. He handled the boat question well and he has still to be very careful on off hand remarks

    • Joe Blow says:

      01:39pm | 12/08/10

      Jacob M.  From your statement that the ABC is ‘free to all’ I can only assume that you do not pay any tax?  Or don’t understand where the government gets its money? Or perhaps you believe that the ABC is somehow funded by the big money tree at the bottom of Julia’s garden .....

    • Richard says:

      11:40pm | 11/08/10

      The twitter reactions were informative: “boo hoo hoo, Julia gets easy questions on #qanda n thats gr8 but when Tony gets easy questions @ #rooty its not fair!!” But really, who is suprised that Gillard is adored in her hometown and Tony has the rub of the green on his own home turf? We are a parochial species at heart. In my judgement Abbott clearly prevailed again, he is very impressive head to head against Gillard because he takes the time to respond directly to the question in most cases (even if it involves a few brain-farts “ummm… ahhhh”) whereas Gillard just drones on with empty rhetoric, promising the world but lacking the actual organisational ability to implement her gradiose schemes. Queensland, NSW and WA are deserting Labor in droves, but a sustained campaign by most twitter/facebook users + tv shows like the 7pm project/Chaser to portray Julia as cool and Tony as a lunatic should galvinise the vote for the government (just), although I won’t be buying into the trendy hipster frenzy about Abbott’s supposed distastefulness: I’ll wash my own brain thanks.

    • Jimmy No Shoes says:

      02:27am | 12/08/10

      Sounds like your brain is already as clean as a whistle.

    • Brad of Bentleigh says:

      01:02pm | 12/08/10

      Nice summary, Richard… more please, you make sense grin

    • Once was a GW prostitute says:

      11:44pm | 11/08/10

      Abbott cleaned up. He definitely has more natural rapport with the punters.

      No doubt he should take the debate with Gillard.

      He’s certainly growing into a leader. I’m a swinging voter and I find him more trustworthy than Gillard.

      Is she human?

    • farmer says:

      07:21am | 12/08/10

      Didn’t see the forum but from these comments I am surprised at the outcome. Held in sowtown rooty hill. I would have exepcted a different reaction. There’s hope for Australia yet!

    • Gregg says:

      11:50pm | 11/08/10

      Saw a bit on SBS, Gillard looking a bit drawn and knackered on the ropes when being grilled about trust on the rail announcement and she didn’t look too good right at that moment.
      Maybe she perked up a bit from there.

      Tony started his carnivale from the start getting down ” to be on the level “, maybe the old rugger club days making him feel at home but very pleasing he was able to relax for that’ll be more the true blue Tony for PM.

      Doesn’t matter if he knows nought about hooking up a computer, we sure need $43B expenditure with no business plan nor justification and no real detail anyway like a hole in the head.
      Ironically, it was the Red that was looking quite sickly tonight, nearly bad enough I’d not mind betting we’ll hear of him in an ambulance before too long.

    • Rob r Charteris says:

      09:45am | 12/08/10

      Gregg says:11:50pm; Nice to see you trot out the usual spin. Fact is the NBN will cost $43 Billion in total, the taxpayer portion is around $26 Billion, but dont let the truth get in the way of a good spin story. Oh didn’t know that? perhaps you should read the policy before blurting out and repeating the “I got a handle on it rAbbott” spin. and you reckong he has a handle on the economy pfffffft!!! I think not.

    • Brad of Bentleigh says:

      01:05pm | 12/08/10

      Hey Rob, go check the actual assesment report that was completed on the NBN… we’re talking potentially ~$80 billion of taxpayer coin… but hey, what are facts when you have an idealiogical point to make.

    • steve parker says:

      12:01am | 12/08/10

      How stupid, out of touch and patronising was that nonesense of Ms Gillard in getting battling Australians to raise their hands at the beginning of her speech. Words fail me - no wonder the consensus was against her.

    • Brian Taylor says:

      09:29am | 12/08/10

      I agree fully mate, she acted like a joke

    • Alfred Deakin says:

      12:33am | 12/08/10

      How did Joel Scalzi, Young LIberal member, and son of a former Liberal MP, get into this “undecided” audience, let alone be selected to ask a question? Excellent screening proceduress!

    • Norma says:

      08:32am | 12/08/10

      Perhaps he lied to Galaxy when he said he was undecided.
      Ever been polled? Always told the truth? Perhaps he said he was undecided to worry Labor? Or comfort the Libs. Who knows.
      As for getting to ask his question, put that down to luck.

    • JennyF says:

      08:45am | 12/08/10

      Alfred thanks for your sour grapes. Great to learn about Joel. He seems a fine looking eloquent young man, maybe we should mark him down as a future leader.
      Tony Abbott looked a leader whereas Julia Gillard looked a puppet trying to put down her Rabbit

    • Kirk says:

      09:51am | 12/08/10

      lol @JennyF - Yes, mark him down as a future leader.  We’ve currently resorted to an amateur triathelete and are in desperate need of real members.  This kid appeared on tv so is the goods!

    • All says:

      10:22am | 12/08/10

      How did a current NSW ALP candidate become a member of the swinging voter panel on the SBS show on Wednesday night?  He had plenty to say on the night in his guise as an undecided swinging voter. Why didn,t Simon Crean, who was a guest on the show, raise his hand and say “Sorry but that man is actually a member of the ALP and running for a seat in this election” ?

    • Bob says:

      12:47am | 12/08/10

      I saw the whole peoples forum and Abbott won hands down. He was much more engaging and not patronising like Gillard. He went out to the front and stayed out with the people and was not scripted like Gillard. He was more connected, refreshing and engaging. He showed that his policies were far superior to that of labor. Most importantly, he was not negative like Gillard. the negative metre for Gillard was 7/10 while for Abbott it was 2/10. I’m sure most people would have appreciated the less negativity. Abbott won hands down.

    • MarK says:

      12:56am | 12/08/10

      Abbott was so much better. Was more natural, down to earth and easy going.

      The real difference though was their tone. Gillard was so very negative. All the “why don’t you ask Mr Abbott that” trying to put questions in the peoples mouths was getting so old by the half way mark it was not funny. Any chance she got she just went negative.And if that didn’t work she got more negative. Same old same old…..bash Tony because he is “unelectable”.

      If she ever says “I am for jobs” one more time I will scream.

      It again highlighted spin vs substance. A performer vs someone happy to have a go off the cuff..

      Tony smashed her. He looked so much more the PM on the night and the it came as no surprise that that was the view of the audience.

      He is very electable. Actually has finally given me a sliver of hope he may well win.

    • Mhoram says:

      01:03am | 12/08/10

      Pity News Corp decided to block public broadcast of this event to a few thousand Pay TV subscribers (I hear it may have also been streamed over the net at the Tele’s website - nowhere near as accessible as TV), as it was an interesting concept that should have been broadcast live freely to all. The Daily Tele’s shameless plastering of its name across everything was quite pathetic, made it hard to see as an event with any real integrity.

      Good to see the folks giving Julia a tough time and making her answer uncomfortable questions - I thought she did well. She can certainly handle herself, but I think her handling of Mark “The Immeasurable Tool” Latham had already proved that.

      Tony Abbott stage-managed his “coming down to the people’s level” quite smartly - it almost looked genuine. He did pretty well too, although I was a bit sad to see he got nothing like the grilling Julia got, it was quite a nice little fan-fest for him really; not sure if Labor is just really that on the nose in that area, or News Corp stacked the room a bit. It seemed people had walked into that room with their minds already made up. It was telling tat afterwards Sky News were very quicky pointing the finger at Galaxy (who apparently picked the audience) and blaming them!

      Based on the questions and what they both had to face, I think Julia Gillard was the better of the two today. Would really like to see a couple more in different parts of the country, but freely broadcast, and hopefully one head-to-head.

    • sproket says:

      07:01am | 12/08/10

      What a delusional post…Julie was great because she did well because she, well, did well, and Tony was bad because he did things that made him look more comfortable and the crowd was rigged, man, its a conspiracy, man.

    • Nicole says:

      10:01am | 12/08/10

      @sproket, Jooolya did well? Take off those blinkers will ya. Yet again she treats people like they’re all stupid, talks down to them, refuses to keep an open mind and just says no. The woman is no leader, is certainly not fit to Govern and is nothing more than a puppet. Thank God she won’t sit on the throne for much longer.

    • sproket says:

      10:16am | 12/08/10

      lol Nichole, I was summarising Mhorams ridiculous post, don’t worry, I agree with you 100%

    • Nicole says:

      11:25am | 12/08/10

      OOOOpppssss. Sorry sproket. I’m now going to sit on the numpty step.

    • Super D says:

      05:31am | 12/08/10

      Abbott nailed it.  He’s never looked so good.  Gillard looked tired and matronly. 

      The audience was clearly open to a return of the Liberals.  They saw straight through the parrammatta epping rail announcement (which penbo so aptly named the bullshit express) and were clearly unimpressed with Gillards press conference style answers.

      The ALP will be screaming bias today and pointing out that the son of a former Liberal MP was one of the questioners.  They can blame galaxy for this, though never seem to have a problem when galaxy recruits ALP supporters to drive the worm during debates.

      Abbott will face a biased audience on Q&A next week where the audience is generally balanced between ALP supporters and Greens supporters and Tony Joned gets to know in advance exactly which tough questions will be asked.

    • Bob Evans says:

      06:21am | 12/08/10

      How rigged was that Rooty Hill event? I mean come on, for starters, it was organized by a conservative news outlet the daily telegraph. Undecided voters my #rse. So undecided that 90% of them stand & cheer when Tony Abbott walks into the room & golf claps when Julia does? Was the audience picked straight from the Liberal campaign launch? No wonder you guys want more of those “debates”. No doubt, organized by news ltd & stacked with “undecided” voters. What a sham.

    • Louis McLennan says:

      07:08am | 12/08/10

      Didn’t know we have a conservative news outlet in this country?

    • Bob Evans says:

      07:56am | 12/08/10

      Really Louis? I suppose you watch fox news, read the Australian, subscribe to quadrant & somehow think its all fair & balanced eh?

    • Super D says:

      08:03am | 12/08/10

      The audience was assembled by galaxy polling not news ltd.  Galaxy has in the past provided the ALP biased worm drivers. 

      Abbott will get a 50-50 audience at the ABC’s Q&A on Monday.  Nice and balanced at 50% ALP supporters and 50% Greens.

    • BobM says:

      08:24am | 12/08/10

      Aw Bob, Julia’s had the benefit of a stacked audience and soft questions from the media since she gabbed the PMs job. Tony Abbott has always had a lefty stacked audience and it will be no different on Q&A next week. In fact, the ABC is probably dusting off it’s best ‘unbiased’ bunch of Uni students, arties and greenies as we speak. No doubt a few former asylum seekers as well. And it just goes to show how desperate the union heavies are when they put a $20,000 bet on Labor on Centrebet straight after her pathetic performance, because they have to make their girl look good.  And as the people at Rooty Hill worked out last night, she ain’t no good.

    • Daryl says:

      09:31am | 12/08/10

      Yeah Bob Labor got shown up for what it really is and we saw the real Julia for the first time. Labor lost - must have been rigged! Do you want Gillard to go on all election in stage managed monologues reading from her script?

    • Bob Evans says:

      10:06am | 12/08/10

      Great, so you guys agree it was a Liberal stacked audience. Glad we could agree on something.

    • shabangabang signing off for good says:

      10:19am | 12/08/10

      Super D says: 08:03am | 12/08/10 ‘Nice and balanced’
      Geez I’m surprised you didn’t say ‘fair and balanced’, or is that trademarked by Fox USA. Perhaps Nice and Balanced is the Australian version. Wonder if Sky will give TAbbott a job like Fox gave Palin a job after the election? My bet is yes.
      Didn’t watch it and have no intention of ever doing so. For an organisation of any political leaning to hijack an election and corporatise it for whatever reasons (stacking, ratings, poke in the eye to ABC24, ego massage for Rupert) is to snub their noses at democracy. Not good enough, News Corp.

    • Greg Drake says:

      06:52am | 12/08/10

      Abbott is looking like a leader and trustworthy. Gillard is looking like Maggie Thatcher What’s going on?
      As a student I worked for Labor on polling booths and voted Labor.
      I have not voted for Labor since Hawke “knifed” Hayden.
      I have never voted Liberal in my life.
      Now? Abbott looks good - it’s the rest of the Parliamentary team that worries me - Pyne,Bishop(B1&B2;),Hockey et al.
      Gillard looked bad and it’s the rest of her Parliamentary team that worries me - Roxon, Albinese,Arbib et al.
      Rooty Hill confirmed that the public is sensible, polite and astute but it didn’t help me to decide my vote - except maybe for a Citizen Initiated Referendum.

    • Kirk says:

      09:59am | 12/08/10

      1996 - I have never voted Liberal in all my life but this time I’m going to vote for Howard.

      1998, 2001 - I have never voted Labor in all my life but this time I’m going to vote for Beazley

      2007 - I have never voted Labor in all my life but this time I’m going to vote for Rudd.

      2010 - I have never voted Liberal in all my life but this time I’m going to vote for Abbott.

      Pretty poor excuse for a comment, that one.

      I have never

    • Kareena says:

      07:04am | 12/08/10

      The audience was stacked, they cheered as Abbott came into the room, give me a break!! I turned it off and watched Animal Armageddon,  the rude woman who was belligerent as she asked about Peter Costello was enough for me. Typical Sky. Yet they take Labor voters money without any trouble

    • Joe Blow says:

      08:27am | 12/08/10

      “they take Labor voters money .....”
      You mean in the same way that the ABC takes Liberal voters’ money and then produces Q&A - easily mistaken for a Labor campaign launch.  Or the same way that Unions take Liberal voters’  membership fees (like mine) and plough them back into anti-Liberal TV commercials?

    • Bob Evans says:

      09:45am | 12/08/10

      If unions are so bad, pull your membership. How hypocritical.

    • Jane says:

      09:54am | 12/08/10

      They were actually cheering because Abbott came down off the stage!!
      Bit of honesty please.

    • Joe Blow says:

      01:45pm | 12/08/10

      @ Bob - Yes I should ... oh except for the small fact that I would be abused, threatened and railroaded out of my job.  I notice you didn’t disagree that unions use Liberal voters’ money to fund anti-Liberal ads -but I suppose this is fair and reasonable in your view?

    • Jb says:

      07:05am | 12/08/10

      Well I must be dumb because Gillard clearly lost that bout!
      She never listens she just talks.
      Bla bla bla giggle bla bla bla…
      Abbott on the other hand listens all you have to do is look at every nights news footage and watch that every conversation he has be it with a pensioner or child he listens intently and is not distracted by what’s going on around him.
      True blue Tony, I like that!

    • Louis McLennan says:

      07:06am | 12/08/10

      The girl who asked the question to Abbott about broadband clearly didn’t understand the mood at Rooty Hill the back and forth was ridiculous. Would have been fine on the ABC’s Q&A. However, it seemed like this was a more genuine event and had a good atmosphere.

      I’d be ashamed if Abbott and Gillard were tech nerds because tech nerds seem to be the most out of touch people in this whole election! It’s unfortunate that they live in the virtual world which grants unlimited freedom then go to the ballot box and vote for socialism. It’s both disturbing and annoying at how effective these votes are.

      The guy who asked the R18 rating question probably could have done better. I think the picture everyone got was that these R18 games are similar to that of an adult movie. I’d support R18 rating for games simply because it’s getting ridiculous and most of the a R18 movies over time seem to move down the ladder. However, computer games have a much shorter life span than that of a movie so it is inappropriate to hold them up for several years.

    • Kirk says:

      10:02am | 12/08/10

      They don’t ‘move down the ladder’ unless they are resubmitted for classification, which never happens unless there is some commercial reason (e.g. it has been edited to come in as MA15+ to get more teenage viewers).

    • TheRealDave says:

      11:18am | 12/08/10

      The girl who asked The Mad Monk the question about broadband clearly didn’t know what the hell she was asking about.  Staged fluff questions.

    • Bill says:

      07:08am | 12/08/10

      I’ve got to agree with you Richard M. This “event ” was never going to scale the heights of political enlightenment. All of the usual suspects were there. I was particularly intrigued with the, I suspect Young Lib, who when posing a question to Tony Abbott about the NBN, confused “Public ” enterprise with “Private” enterprise. Tonys vast experience with ‘Dorothy Dixers” over the years ensured that he understood what she really meant. The one highlight for me was that for the first time in his life, Tony was seen to be on the level, physically at least. Do we want more? If they are nationally televised and live. Yes. Another one like this one? I don’t think so. It would be interesting to see the criteria Galaxy used to select its uncommitted swinging voters. It has certainly made me more sceptical of Galaxy polls.

    • Allison says:

      07:17am | 12/08/10

      In my opinion the audience was rigged. Shame but it did make me decide to vote Labor. I felt very sorry for Julia Gillard, some of the audience members were very aggressive. I have friends who vote Liberal who are not at all rude and would ask the hard questions but treat Julia Gillard with respect . I don’t know where they find these people.

    • Once was a GW prostitute says:

      08:13am | 12/08/10

      Allison do you make the same complaint whenever you watch Q&A, 7.30 report, Lateline…its Left Wing ALP agenda every week.

      The Libs have to handle that kind of aggressive questioning all the time. What makes Labor so precious?

      As a Left Winger in my early life, it never ceases to amaze me how those on the left are incapable of handling criticism or challenge to their views. If don’t agree with them, you are subject to ridicule or dismissal.

      I have always found the Liberal party a more open and accepting culture - even encouraging dissent within its own ranks (Turnbull and the ETS were prime example of this). Labor however, does not permit any dissent or breaking of the party line.

      Doesn’t this remind you of something? Communism? Fascism? They all followed the same method of keeping their citizens in line.

      Surely those on the left are supposed to be “progressive” and encourage debate and dissent? 

      Why then Allison do you throw up your hands and give up at the first sign of a tough time? Is that leadership?

    • TrueOz says:

      08:26am | 12/08/10

      Allison, you’re feeling sorry for Joolya? You’ll be much sorrier if Joolya gets elected. How about actually THINKING IT THROUGH before you vote to install someone as PM on that basis of feeling sorry for her. In the case of Joolya, she just doesn’t deserve your sympathy - or mine - or anyone elses.

    • fairsfair says:

      08:38am | 12/08/10

      Allison, did you watch Q&A this week? It would have made you vote liberal love. The media is a disgrace in terms of how they coddle depending on mood and go about portraying the candidates as “people”. There have been a lot of comments here on how TA seemed like a “people’s person” and JG seemed “patronising and tired”. Line of questioning aside, I think that is down to the fact that we were FINALLY able to see them for who they are. Off the cuff and not being directed by an “impartial” MC. There was also no laughing at JG’s earlobes or making fun of the way that TA drinks his coffee and less about past leaders. These issues have been some of the most discussed this election and it is quite childish really - and in the context in which it is being done - a tad scary. This is our Country’s future and we treated MasterChef contestants with more respect (facebook hatepage aside!).

    • Rod says:

      09:57am | 12/08/10

      Interesting to see Liberal supporters trying to “soften up” things for Abbott’s appearance on Q&A next week by suggesting that the audiences there are “biased”. Anyone who has ever watched the show will know that this simply isn’t true. Conservative supporters there are invariably at least as numerous, and often far more raucous, than there opponents.

    • Colin says:

      09:59am | 12/08/10

      It’s a sad comment on Alison’s intelligence that her vote goes to the party - not with the better policies or anything substantial like that - but against the party with allegedly rude supporters at an event.

      Actually her comments stretch credulity. Are we really to think that somebody can be so facile?

    • Elizzie says:

      07:24am | 12/08/10

      Tony was the more genuine. He gave thoughtful responses rather than just throw away spin lines.Abbott is a man of the people he is a volunteer fir fighter,life saver & raises a lot of money doing ultra marathons with his ‘pollie pedal’ What does Julia give back to the community? He has energy to burn & in my view people who are disciplined enough to be able to ride 50km+ daily when they wake up are highly effective & organised in their work. Labor are so negative-they aren’t running ads about their record because we all know they can’t so they are attacking a decent opponent & trying to sneak in that way. I wish you and the Liberals well Tony..

    • Allison says:

      08:33am | 12/08/10

      Once was a GW prostitute
      I pay Foxtel for their services. The services on ABC are free to all. The ABC is far more dignified in its approach. Unless you wish to pay for my bill please don’t dictate to me what my opinion (you feel ) should be

    • Rush says:

      09:07am | 12/08/10

      Free ?  So you don’t pay any tax then ?

    • Eric says:

      09:26am | 12/08/10

      Oh Alison - getting a bit touchy I see.

    • Elizzie says:

      07:24am | 12/08/10

      Tony was the more genuine. He gave thoughtful responses rather than just throw away spin lines.Abbott is a man of the people he is a volunteer fir fighter,life saver & raises a lot of money doing ultra marathons with his ‘pollie pedal’ What does Julia give back to the community? He has energy to burn & in my view people who are disciplined enough to be able to ride 50km+ daily when they wake up are highly effective & organised in their work. Labor are so negative-they aren’t running ads about their record because we all know they can’t so they are attacking a decent opponent & trying to sneak in that way. I wish you and the Liberals well Tony..

    • Kirk says:

      10:13am | 12/08/10

      I reckon we should get Cadel Evans for PM.  He can ride way further than Tony Abbott.

    • thatmosis says:

      07:30am | 12/08/10

      What a laugh, here we have Joolia being asked the hard questions and floundering and the rusted on Labor Voters think it was rigged. Diddums. This is exactly what Tony and his Band of Happy campers have had to put up with from the ABC for months. grow a set. Joolia was beaten because the questions were not veted to show her in a good light and the peoples anger was evident towards her. She is a loser and the rusted on people better get used to it. Way to go Tony.

    • Andrew says:

      07:31am | 12/08/10

      How many people actually saw the stupid thing?

    • MarK says:

      08:21am | 12/08/10

      Me

      PS Tony was awesome

    • Dash says:

      09:33am | 12/08/10

      I watched it all and everyone should see it because it was the first time we saw the real Gillard and the real Abbott all campaign. And Mr Abbott was brilliant and Gillard looked lost without her script!

    • BHH says:

      05:05pm | 12/08/10

      Me too.
      Love it - up, close and personal. No BS from the ABC screen.

    • DougB says:

      07:37am | 12/08/10

      Interesting that you report that “(Participants placed chips in ballot boxes after the event and a clear majority indicated they had decided to vote Liberal.)” 
      Channel 10 early news this morning reported it as the chips were “Too close to call”.  I also notice that since the 7pm Project had Julia on the panel the other night, they have become much more “pro-Labor” and “anti Tony”.

    • Tarzan says:

      07:58am | 12/08/10

      7pm Project is as left as you can get.

    • Kirk says:

      08:16am | 12/08/10

      The chips were 71 lib vs 59 labor… If ch10 really said it was too close to call, then that’s pretty bad reporting.

      FWIW, I thought Abbot won the night easily, but Julia was asked tougher questions.  Her main problem though was long-winded waffling answers, and seeming to talk down to people.  Tony’s answers were more concise and down to earth, and so he seemed to answer a lot more questions in his hour, which also helped.

    • Harriet says:

      08:44am | 12/08/10

      @Kirk look at the real numbers. They don’t add up to your assumptions that Tony won . Sure Tony 71 Julia 59 but that leaves 70 unaccounted or swinging or green or whatever.

    • Bill says:

      12:23pm | 12/08/10

      Reality Check Time Folks
      Audience         200…..........100%
      Abbott               71….............35%
      Gillard             59….............30%
      UNDECIDED     70….............35%
      A win for Tony. I don’t think so. That’s why it won’t get too much publicity.
      If you are a betting person, take the $1.50 on offer for a Gillard Labor win on the 21st so that you’ll at least have something to celebrate on the 22nd. The Canberra to Bondi Triathlon starts 6.00am Monday 23rd August. Another Coalition wannabee bites the dust. Welcome back Malcolm.

    • Cecil says:

      07:41am | 12/08/10

      I am seriously wondering why I pay for the garbage on Foxtel and that debate last night was a prime example. To anyone other then dyed in the wool Liberals the Audience was rigged and I heard on ABC Breakfast that a young Liberal member asked Tony Abbott a question at The Rooty Hill Summit, that did not at all surprise me. I am sure there many more than one there. Be wary Australian’s do not like a stacked deck!!

    • Joe Blow says:

      08:35am | 12/08/10

      .... but you’re happy to pay for the ‘stacked decks’ of the ABC - Q&A, Lateline etc?  Oh, that’s right, they stack the deck in your favour, eh?

      BTW did ABC radio report that a recent SBS ‘election’ Q&A program actually had a current Labor candidate in the audience asking questions - you missed that right? 

      Labor’s modus operandi from Gillard down - it’s always someone else’s fault!!

    • Stewart Henstock says:

      09:50am | 12/08/10

      Real questions by real voters.
      What are you scared off?

    • Cecil says:

      11:37am | 12/08/10

      lol Stewart Henstock you can bet its not you!! whimpy Liberal nerds are nothing to worry about

    • Stewart Henstock says:

      07:52am | 12/08/10

      One of them was Trevor Stevenson from Pendle Hill. He’s a storeman, an undecided voter. He got his electricity bill today – it was up, again – and his main concern was the cost of living. “Everything seems to be going up except for wages,” he said.

      This is what NSW and in particular western Sydney really cares about, not boat people…not macro economic models that saved us from the GFC.

      We’ve had a gut full of the Labor lies.
      We’re tired of flogging our blue collar butts at work all week only to come home and find another increase in the gas bill or the electricity bill.
      We’re tired of sitting 2 -3 hrs on the M4 everyday because of the lack of infrastructure.
      We’re tired of waiting 2 hrs at the medical clinic to see a GP.
      We’re tired of being told you can’t see a GP after working hours because the daily quota has been filled.
      But most of all we’re tired of Labors broken promises.

    • Daniel says:

      08:40am | 12/08/10

      And you honestly believe the liberals can wave their magic wand and stop bills rising?

      Most of what you said is a direct result of 12 years of liberal neglect, did you expect it to be fixed so quick? The GP super clinic near me is amazing, but under the libs all that gets scrapped for more hospital beds. Goody.

    • MarK says:

      09:16am | 12/08/10

      Labor told us they could. The Liberals do not lie and spin that they can.

      So who would rather the guys that lie and waste a few million on “grocery choice” websites or the guys that will actual run the place?

      Protip - a carbon tax does not make this sheaper

    • Stewart Henstock says:

      09:46am | 12/08/10

      Daniel
      I don’t know what the Liberals can or can’t do but i sure do know what Labor has been doing to NSW.
      The mess we have in NSW is a direct result of Labor’s mismanagement.
      The same Labor which is running the country at Federal level.
      The ineffective GP clinics get scrapped under a Liberal Gov for more hospital beds?
      GREAT!!!
      Now i wont have to wait 2 hrs in emergency to get treated like i did when i had a kidney stone…there wasn’t even a seat to sit down in….woohoo

    • Daniel says:

      11:56am | 16/08/10

      Stewart, you realise you were probably waiting in Emergency for your kidney stone because people that could have gone to a GP superclinic instead were probably holding you up? You realise more beds in hospitals WON’T fix this?

    • Tarzan says:

      07:56am | 12/08/10

      I don’t think you can say it was rigged when the ABC is reporting this.
      “The Opposition Leader picked up 71 votes compared to Ms Gillard’s 59 in a gaming chip exit poll”

    • Rosie says:

      07:57am | 12/08/10

      Full marks to the organizers for the initiative. Give away those controlled timed debates because Politicians are not grilled like they were at Rooty Hill RSL. This was a forum of real people asking the real questions. It was the two leaders wary of the people, not the journos wary of the leaders like we see so often. Julia Gillard was out of her comfort zone and made worse when she chose to sit on the high stool and began the night in that ridiculous arm excercise like a teacher in control of her pupils. In contrast Tony Abbott came out and chose to be on a level platform with the auidence which made him more in touch with them.

      We were told before hand that it was a risk for the two leaders to take and so what? It wasn’t about them it was about the people who they as leaders will govern this country. The night showed the media up big time and we should have one of these forums in every state. The two leaders were never given a chance to fob off any of the questions like they do with the journos!

      Wouldn’t it be great to have one with Kevin Rudd??????????

      Tony Abbott as already mentioned found it a lot easier than the polished Julia Gillard and I would say it had a lot to do with his involvement with the Life Saving Club & CFS.

      Those that say that the easy questions shouldn’t be taken seriously are wrong because to think that, is undermining the people that were there.

      Julia Gillard’s answers were too long winded and tiring because of the comparison to Tony Abbott in just about all her answers. I don’t think Tony Abbott mentioned her name once and if he did probably only once.

    • Daniel says:

      07:58am | 12/08/10

      The Costello question is proof it was a farce. No one in their right unbiased mind would think the comments in that ad were taken out of context. Garbage.

    • Krista says:

      08:21am | 12/08/10

      Well said Daniel it was a disgraceful display Rooty Hill is a place I would avoid The Liberal voters there are extremely rude, and yes I believe after watching it many were Liberal voters!!

    • Joe Blow says:

      08:42am | 12/08/10

      The questioner initially asked if the ‘Costello comments’ in the ad were put together from 2 separate speeches - as claimed by Costello himself - and made to look like they were from a single speech.  If so, then of course this would mean they were ‘out of context’ and that the ad was deceptive.  Funnily enough, unlike the regular media that just rolls over - this questioner got a bit miffed when JuLIAR refused to answer the question ... rare, eh?

    • MarK says:

      09:12am | 12/08/10

      She never really answered the question did she?

      How negative was she during the whole thing? No wonder the audience got sick of it and got hostile. All we saw the one of the Julia’s spinning. I get so confused as to which turns up these days.

    • Holly says:

      08:06am | 12/08/10

      “Tony looked more relaxed,” “Tony looked more genuine” - pity Tony did not answer most of the questions with anything more than lengthy streams of drivel which wandered quite off the point.  By the time he got to the end of his answers I think most of the audience had forgotten what the question was.  His response to the question on health was unbelievably bad.

    • MarK says:

      08:23am | 12/08/10

      Yes.

      People often clap and cheer when they are bored and don’t like a response. Quite common at Rooty Hill. You must be a local I guess.

    • Joe Blow says:

      08:47am | 12/08/10

      Holly the swinging voter is back.  Very funny that you accuse Abbott of not answering the questions, when JuLIAR and Wayne haven’t answered a question between them in 4 weeks.  Oh that’s right, the answer to any probing question is ‘Cabinet in Confidence’, eh?

    • darryl says:

      08:57am | 12/08/10

      Holly even you must have cringed when headmistress Gillard asked the audience to put up their hands if they…...that works with grade one students but no so well with adults. She has spent to long in the company of teachers and the labor spin machine, she has lost touch with real Australians. Tony did answer the questions, I still wait to see how that useless senator Mark Abib is rewarded.

    • Greg says:

      09:38am | 12/08/10

      Rubbish Holly! Abbott was brilliant. We saw the real Julia for the first time this campaign and she was hopeless away from her stage managed script. Labor lost badly and was shown up for what a pathetic mob it really is. This was the first time we saw the real leaders and Tony Abbott was way better and won easily. Get over it!

    • Josephine says:

      08:07am | 12/08/10

      I remember as a teenager when town hall events were the norm, and not overly covered by the press, nor were they a news headline type of event.  Pollies need to get close and personal to the very people they claim to represent, and whose interests they promise to hold closest in their hearts and minds while doing their job.  I don’t know who to vote for in this election, but I also know who I am NOT going to vote for.

    • Halberstram says:

      08:27am | 12/08/10

      Here is a question I want to ask Abbott at the next one :

      “Tony, given you have stated in the recent past that you feel threatened by homosexuals, can you let us know if you feel threatened by your supporter Alan Jones.? . . . If not, why not?”

    • Jenny says:

      08:31am | 12/08/10

      Good to see the Liberals McMansion voters got to ask their questions. John Howard relied heavily on them and at each of his elections they were duly rewarded until next time. Then with the majority in the Senate, a lapse in political judgment and of course the backing of his Cabinet the nation was given Workchoices.  So yes Tony will have Cabinet solidarity as he was very much part of Howard’s Cabinet. So thanks Rooty Hill no doubt you will be needed in 3 years time.
      PS. McMansions was a phrase coined by the liberals.

    • Nicole says:

      08:36am | 12/08/10

      I didn’t think it was possible for me to despise Jooolya any more than I do, but last night proved me wrong. What a patronising, condescending woman she is. Sitting up there on her throne, talking down to everyone and treating them like school children just made me want to throw up. Abbott kicked her ass and once again showed that he’s a real person and is prepared to listen to people and their concerns. Queen Jooolya doesn’t give a toss about what people want, she just thrives on the power trip, is completely negative and just plain rude. Her true colours shine through more and more each day and just get uglier.

    • Daniel says:

      09:25am | 12/08/10

      Christ, at least do some basic research on the person you’re singing the praises of. Abbott hated everyone in that RSL. Labors focus is always the little guy, the liberal focus is always the big guy. A lot of the people in the room wouldn’t even have jobs under the libs.

    • Rosie says:

      09:26am | 12/08/10

      Nicole my sentiments exactly! At least Tony Abbott openly received wishes that they hoped he would win the election, Julia Gillard didn’t get any. How about the look on the lady that asked the first question when Gillard tried to cover up for Shorten & Ah Bib. That was my favourite bit, the look of digust that showed up the real Julia Gillard.

    • Lester Festus says:

      08:44am | 12/08/10

      Tony came across as ‘grand’ and a would-be great P.M.  It was somewhat disappointing that no one queried Julia as tow what effect being in bed with the Greens would have on the economy if in power.  It is a crucial problem, yes problem, given what one does know their idealism and agenda.  Disaster could be looming in the shadows.  This matter should be addressed.

    • jg says:

      08:47am | 12/08/10

      Whoops, the ALP rolled out the droning alien cyborg gillard in mistake, and not the real Gillard, I mean faux gillard, or whatever.

      She got creamed because all she could do was stick woodenly and patronisingly to the script.

    • Retired Soldier says:

      08:50am | 12/08/10

      Allison says:07:17am | 12/08/10: Allison , if this forum made you feel so sorry for Julia Gillard that you will, on that basis, vote Labor, then i feel sorry for this country. If you are so naive to cast a vote because you feel sorry for someone then let us hope like hell there are not too many of you out there in voting land. There is a lot more at stake in this election Allison than feeling sorry for Gillard, who I might add, has no sorrow for the man she stabbed to become a PM.

    • Jenny says:

      09:30am | 12/08/10

      Gee Retired Soldier at least the stabbing was metaphorical.  It was Howard that sent our soldiers to war on the so called evidence of Weapons of Mass Destruction. Were the voters asked or even consulted before our troops were committed?

    • BobM says:

      09:55pm | 14/08/10

      So Jenny, do you think we should have a ‘people’s forum’ to make every decision for Australia that you don’t approve of?  My son is in the Defence Force, and he, and his colleagues are proud to serve their country - unlike the rest of the gen y weenies whose biggest worry is their Internet speed.

    • casba says:

      09:03am | 12/08/10

      @Richard.

      Get a life-and a brian!

    • Richard says:

      11:18am | 12/08/10

      What is this, Monty Python?

    • Dash says:

      09:12am | 12/08/10

      This was the first time we have seen Gillard away from her stage managed monologues. It’s the first time she was unable to merely read from her script. And she failed massively and got hammered. We saw the real Gillard for the first time this election.The people from Western Sydney (traditional Labor heartland I might add), know what it is like to have a dud Labor government full of empty promises. They are sick of it and they no longer are falling for the lies and spin which this federal government has been feeding them for the last three years. They are looking to judge this government on what it does, not on what it says. Lets hope the people in S.A and Victoria do the same. Btw, Abbott was fantastic. Didn’t try to promise the world, was articulate open and honest. I agree, lets have more of the same so we can all see more of the real Julia and the real Abbott.

    • r3830 says:

      09:12am | 12/08/10

      I wonder if Julia can tell me the difference between Dial-up, ADSL, ADSL2 and ADSL2+ internet services? Should she be expected to know these things… or is that in the realm of her Comms Minister - who wants to censor the net and have it grind to a halt? So - why the criticism of Abbott on this issue? The Libs policy sees optical fibre (backbone) made available to all centres - but simply not available to every house in every street. My ADSL2+ service gives me 8MB/Sec…. great for streaming and anything else. Unlike the 100MB/Sec service - it doesn’t cost me $150 / month. Seems to me that people are grasping at straws.

    • heather says:

      12:20pm | 12/08/10

      I agree with you, and I *am* a tech head. Seriously, for the average punter, why on earth do they need 100MB/Sec internet? I can understand the need for business, government services (oxymoron?), hospitals etc, but I wouldn’t pay extra for much faster internet, ADSL2+ is fine for me, and I spend a LOT of time online, as part of my work. Why not deliver v. fast internet to corporates etc; and upgrade the exchanges for other areas without broadband…oh, yes, isn’t that the Coalition plan? Oh, and even my rusted on ALP supporter partner thought TA did better than JG. PS, why can’t we have some more of these forums, what about in Queensland?

    • Brian Taylor says:

      09:14am | 12/08/10

      what’s with the “holding your hands up” crap?
      Was Julia there as PM or as a school teacher?
      Not a good look Julia.

    • Barry says:

      09:17am | 12/08/10

      I could throw something at my TV screen listening to Gillard be so “patronising” all the time. Fake and scripted, thankyou for asking that question, I share your concern, rah rah rah over and over and over. Give us a break Gillard.

    • Margaret says:

      09:22am | 12/08/10

      I’m surprised Gillard didn’t get down and want to touch everyones hands and shoulders after she had her hour of patronising all who asked questions. Forget Princess Diana, we have Princess Julia.

    • Ian says:

      09:26am | 12/08/10

      Oh Julia!  That patronising “raise your hands” public speaking for dummies trick that opened your evening was stupid, insulting and unbelievably patronising.  It set the tone for the rest of your evening, and, along with your NSW Laboresque rail announcement, may have cost you the election.
      You lost last night because just don’t get it.  Voters are smater now, especially here in NSW where we’ve become immune to spin and crave politicians who are real without having to tell us about it.
      So here is your take-out from the People’s Forum…
      1) It’s our money.  Spend it wisely. And when you spend it, give us value for money.
      2) We don’t like fakes.  That you have to tell us about the “real” you tell us all we need to know.
      3) We don’t like people who take out choice away.  Getting rid of prime ministers who’ve let us down is our right, not yours.  How dare you take that away from us and how dare you try to tell us that it was all your idea without any help or prompting from the back room men.
      4) The people come first.  They party comes second.  You’re not the first Labor politician who’s got those the wrong way around of late.
      5) We don’t care what you think the other guy will do.  We want to know what you will do.  “Stopping the other guy” doesn’t qualify.
      6) Fire your spin doctors.  It’s not working any more because we see through it. 
      and finally…
      7) Answer the bloody question.  Have you listened to yourself?  Have you noticed, right through this campaign, that nearly every time someone asks you a question, you reply with your message instead of an answer?  Stop it.  If we wanted your message, we wouldn’t ask the questions.

    • Daniel says:

      10:43am | 12/08/10

      And Tony’s “I’m going to stand down here with the people” wasn’t condescending tripe?

      (1) Value for money was obtained by keeping thousands of Australians employed.
      (2) Be honest with yourself. Is anything Tony Abbott has said on this campaign been ‘the real Tony’?
      (3) You vote for the party, not the person. The liberals have had 3 leaders in 3 years, sound stable to you?
      (4) People come last for the Liberals, always have, Tony is no different. If he is, he wont last long as the leader
      (5) have you seen The Liberal Party mantra for this campaign that people are falling for? Stop the boats, pay off the debt, stop the spending, all slagging off Labor, and all complete non-issues.
      (6)(7) Ditto Tony Abbott.

    • MarK says:

      02:54pm | 12/08/10

      Hi Daniel.

      Abbott stands down with the people at his town hall meets as well. They had the choice. Julia could have walked down as well

      1. Not according to a member of the RBA board http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/pm-wrong-on-jobs-boost-claims/story-fn59niix-1225904135466

      2.Yes it has all been Tony. He is the candidate that HAS NOT had to admit to changing remember

      3. Yes and Labor just dumped the most popular ever don’t you know, have a former leader running around like a lunatic and have their former PM’s (recently knifed included) unable to be in the same room. Is that the stability you want? A leader tossed at us a month or so ago?

      4. Thanks for your opinion. Means nothing though

      5. Did you watch the Rooty Hill Julia fiasco? Have you seen the Labor attack TV ads? Name me a positive that Labor has brought to the table. Go on.

      6. & 7, See 4.

      Later Dan

    • Housewife49 says:

      09:27am | 12/08/10

      The same threadbare old over-blown exaggeration and personal spite.  No-one stabbed anyone. Rudd was tapped on the shoulder, took his time agonising, and in the end did the right thing - he didn’t nominate.

      I voted Labor because their programs were better, even if some could have been rather better delivered.

      I’ll be voting Labor for the way they handled the global economy melt-down.

      I’ll be voting Labor because their policies are better, for the country as a whole, not just my purse.

      I’ll be voting Labor and will be kicking ‘em firmly in the rear until they do something about climate change. Fat chance with that Abbott person.

      I’ll be voting Labor, knowing that Ms Gillard will do her absolute level best for all of us. Even you whining Liberals running around in circles here.

    • Brian Taylor says:

      10:00am | 12/08/10

      it’s a shame your vote will all for nothing on the 22nd eh lol

    • MarK says:

      10:15am | 12/08/10

      “Rudd was tapped on the shoulder, took his time agonising, and in the end did the right thing - he didn’t nominate.”

      Err you might want to check with Kevin on that one.

      Also stabbed in the back refers to a few of Julia’s comments like “i will playing full forward for the dogs before I challenge for PM” or “I will fly to the moon blah blah blah”.

      Kevin was tapped on the shoulder all right. By a foot long hunting knife wielded with precision and intent.

    • Taxpayer says:

      10:32am | 12/08/10

      Housewife, please please donate your brain for the research; I always wondered why you and I see and percieve situation so differently.Joollia from Laaibar pardy in fact is very inteligent, but very dishonest- such a shame.
      The Prime Minister’s bizarre “fair shake of the sauce bottle- remember !

    • Ray says:

      09:30am | 12/08/10

      Coming across as a “True Blue” Aussie does not mean the man knows how to govern our great country. He lies and puts on his “poor little underdog me” face and you all fall for it.
      A reminder, Julia did not stab KRudd in the back, the caucus did. I know she accepted, but wouldn’t you in the same circumstance?
      Get some sense all of you and stop your AUSSIE WINGING, your worse than the Poms.

    • Dash says:

      03:55pm | 12/08/10

      And Labor knows how to govern RAY??? School scheme rorts, insulation scheme fiasco, green loans, ETS backflip, Profit tax nonsense, record foreign debt, $40.4b defecit, increasing interest rates, unemployment rate higher than when they came into office, etc etc. And Labor hasn’t lied RAY???? Grocery Choice, Fuelwatch, “we wont touch the private health rebate”, “I’m a fiscal conservative”, 200+ childcare facilities, “more affordable housing”, “better cheaper childcare”, an East Timor solution which never existed etc. And people fell for it in 07 and there are still some people out there falling for the hollow promises again!

    • victor-g says:

      09:46am | 12/08/10

      Rigged or Not, Gillard chose the stool and made comment “Its is very high up here” thus building a brick wall between her and the crowd. Next Gillard asks the crowd to raise their hands for an insulting self-serving series or childish questions. Its like asking if you can survive without breathing-very condescending!!. Abbott on the other hand chose to stand with the crowd and engaged them at eye level thus dismantling the brick wall Gillard built. It is not surprising the crowd felt aggressive towards Gillard and warm towards Abbott. Abbott didn’t attack the government other then with hard facts, Gillard attacked the coalition with falsehoods and spin and in doing she insulted the intelligence of all Australian, unfortunately not all Australians would know it.

    • Sean says:

      09:47am | 12/08/10

      I thought Julia Gillard had changed but last night at the Rooty Hill forum she just seemed to talk about what she wanted to and not really answer questions.  I was starting to warm to the “new” Julia but last night I found her “on script” answers very annoying.  Just too much Tony Blair spin for my liking.

      I agree with some of the commentors above that Tony Abbott seemed to genuinely listen to peoples questions and try to answer them and avoid making shallow promises.

      I liked how Tony Abbott was willing to listen to the same-sex marriage questioner afterwards. It seemed to be a good conversation and I would be really interested in that questioner’s view of Tony Abbott and how she voted for the night.  Personally I agree with same-sex marriage and was very unimpressed with Julia Gillard’s response. The Greens may get my 1st preference but at this stage the Liberals will be my second.

    • Dash says:

      01:19pm | 12/08/10

      Sean, I spent a few years in London and the first time I saw Kevin Rudd I thought he was a clone of Tony Blair. So fake it wasn’t funny. I couldn’t work out how people couldn’t see through that. Now Gillard is following the same tune with “new Labor” spin and merely following the script. I really thought last night we saw for the first time, the real Gillard away from the comfort zone of her scripted lines. And she failed. I think Abbott is much better in these situations where they are forced to be natural. Also great to see a greens voter who thinks. If green preferences go the same way this election as they did at the last, Labor will be returned. Green voters need to decide if that’s what they really want I guess.

    • Gryphen says:

      09:48am | 12/08/10

      So did anyone ask Tony about Gay Marriage, did anyone ask him hard questions the same as they did Julia? Doesn’t sound like it. Sounds like an assasination rahter than a debate. It’s time the major parties got a shakeup, we need to vote for the lesser parties and send a clear message to the majors that their method of campaigning will no longer be tolerated. Seems from all the comments above that it was a personality fest and not as it should be a policy fest. We shouldn’t be voting one way or the other based upon personalities, so TOny got down near the crowd… WHO CARES… he’s not one of us, he’s a career politician, he has no idea what the average person goes through, it was all a performance for the cameras, as to Julia, who cares if she looked tired and matronly? Again it’s a perception of something that isn’t important. How about voting on the policies, the NBN will allow for growth in our businesses and allow all Aussies to enjoy what currently remains in the domain of city dwellers. Get rid of the filter, allow people to manage access for themselves, Allow ALL Australins the same rights as any other Aussie, stop this All Australians are equal, some arem ore equal than others Orwellian rubbish. Negative campaigning is a load of rubbish, we need to hear what they are going to do not what the others did, or mmight do, we need to read the things that are important and will make a difference. And to all the major parties, how can any of you honestly say you will reduce the boat people coming to Australia, when the reason they come isn’t related to the country they are coming to but rather the country they fled. Bopat people only make up a minority of the refugees we have arriving yearly in Australia, time to be honest. We signed us part of the UN Charter, and now wem ust handle the consequences. And whilst the rest of the country seems to be suffering from the aftereffects of the GFC, WA steam rolls ahead, the financial spend from the Feds did its work over here, we had about 2 weeks where people were worried, after that it was business as usual…

    • Dash says:

      09:58am | 12/08/10

      Gryphen, it sounds like you should have seen last night because it covered a lot of what you sound frustrated about. It was a chance to see the real Gillard and she failed! Badly! Oh and a vote for green above the line is a vote for Labor. Be very careful!

    • Brian Taylor says:

      10:03am | 12/08/10

      want some tissues lol

    • fred says:

      10:26am | 12/08/10

      Gryphen, I think Tony was right at home among the uninformed who don’t know the international obligations we have. Except HE does know, and his deceptive answer to the dignified lady who asked about asylum seekers and more compassion was totally dishonest and slid away from the fact that most of the asylum seekers from Afghanistan and Iran and Sri Lanka are escaping from danger and persecution. His sly comment put them in the same category as would- be migrants angling for a better life in the sun. It was a mistake that the moderator did not nail Tony and ask him what was compassionate about turning back boats when you are pretty sure the passengers include men women and children really fleeing persecution not just poverty. Few reporters today have picked up on that spin from Tony, their fellow journalist!

    • Gryphen says:

      10:26am | 12/08/10

      Dash, there are more minor parties than just the Greens, and I can choose who get my preferences by going below the line.

      Brian - you obviously can’t read, so instead of proffering me tissues go and buy some glasses you fool.

    • Rod says:

      09:50am | 12/08/10

      The biggest issue to arise from the night was the trustworthiness of Galaxy in the process of audience selection.  If the Joel Scarzi, the self confessed, Adelaide based,  Young Liberal son of a SA Liberal politician, can get chosen by them as an “uncommitted voter” then one can only wonder where the rest of them were dragged up from.  It certainly wasn’t a genuine “west Sydney” audience, and some members of it certainly weren’t “uncommitted”!

    • Tony says:

      09:52am | 12/08/10

      Unfortunately in Australia we usually don’t get the government we need - we get the government voted in by the stupidest people in the country. If Tony Abbott is elected 21 August, we will have done it again. Julia Gillard is far too intelligent for the morons in NSW and QLD who will ultimatley decide this election. If the Liberals win, I’m leaving!

    • fehowarth says:

      09:57am | 12/08/10

      I wonder what the outcome last night would have been if the audience was made up of Rooty Hill club members.

    • Scotty says:

      11:31am | 12/08/10

      A landslide to Abbott. They would have talked NSW Govt, Eddie obeid, Arbib, Rudd etc and the rail line. Like they did anyway. Just would have been more of it.

    • Stewart Henstock says:

      09:58am | 12/08/10

      I thought Julia was going to cry like a baby after the gay lady kept pushing her on gay marriage.
      For a left wing progressive, she couldn’t give a straight answer why she and the Labor Party are opposed to gay marriage.
      For Julia it’s all about getting the vote to stay in power.
      I thought her choice of sitting reflected Queen Julia (sitting on her throne) as Queen…no…Emperor of Australia while Tony by mixing with the masses depicted he was one of the people…or dare i say it…one of the small peoples.

    • Bob says:

      09:59am | 12/08/10

      I watched the whole people forum and Tony Abbott won the peoples forum hands down. Unlike Gillard who was very patronising and negative, Abbott was engaging, warm and natural. he didn’t harp on standard lines of policy and articulated how the coalition was better on health, education, boats, NBN and a whole host of things. What came over most of all was that people could see that he was the real deal, genuine which is something Gillard has a problem with. When one young woman asked Gillard why she put 2 separate quotes from Costello to look like one which took him out of context, Gillard defended the negative ad to the heckles from the audience.

    • Ray says:

      10:01am | 12/08/10

      It would be nice if you Liberal wingers would have to go to work and do a good days slog instead of spending your time winging and clogging these forums all day, go get a job like the rest of us you punces. RAbbott is as good as your past leader, old “frog” face, look at him now, he can’t even get a job running the ICCC.

    • Joe Blow says:

      02:01pm | 12/08/10

      Unfortunately some of us are stuck with whinging, mainly because we have difficulty coming up with the thought provoking and intellectually stimulating comments that you provide.

    • Bunch says:

      10:10am | 12/08/10

      In this thread: lifelong Labor supporters come up with lots of strange reasons why they’re going to vote Labor, as if there was ever any doubt.

    • Peter Kara says:

      10:11am | 12/08/10

      That girl who asked about the NBN is an embarrassment to my generation there are far more important agendas to take care of way before that!!
      Its a luxury to have super fast internet not a necessity!

      Voting shouldn’t be compulsory

    • mareve says:

      10:12am | 12/08/10

      If you had listened to David Spears he said that both leaders had the opportunity of whether they wanted to sit or stand.  Ms Gillard chose to sit and Mr Abbot chose to stand. I watched the whole forum, yes because I have Foxtel/Austar, and I thought that Ms Gillard was given what seemed more hard line questions, but it was more about why she and the backers did what they did to K Rudd.  She answered her questions all be a bit long winded, but did well.  Mr Abbot seemed to get the easier questions but it seemed he got through a lot more questions in the time.  Both leaders seemed to get a lot of questions on their previous portfolios (Education and Health).  I am still undecided on who to vote for in my electorate because that is who is going to represent us.  I dont believe that the forum was stacked but that is only my opinion and we all differ in how we see things and that is what makes this a democracy.  If you every get the opportunity you should watch Fox News AM and PM agenda programs where they have members of both political parties on discussing and giving their views on the days events and unbiased.

    • Peter P says:

      11:30am | 12/08/10

      I have fox and have watched them all including Paul Murray, he insists his show is an “opinions show”.. his!! and he sings a very Liberal tune. I suggest Labor voters give it a miss there is no fairness on Sky at all

    • Tails says:

      10:16am | 12/08/10

      If anyone saw Maxine McKew on Lateline last night, it’s pretty obvious where Julia has been getting her tips from: “Let me just say” “I believe” “Well I would respond to that by saying…”
      She appeared to really struggle against Turnbull. Especially when he cut her off mid-lie. At the end she was just throwing negative words out there hoping one of them would stick. It was all a bit embarrassing really.
      Luckily for her it wasn’t quite as embarrassing as wearing tennis shoes with suit pants.

    • Ray says:

      10:21am | 12/08/10

      Ask Tony RAbbott “will you allow Gay marriage” see what the mad monk says about that…..

    • Scotty says:

      11:28am | 12/08/10

      We already know. He is clear on it. Julia is less clear and seems to be trapped by spin all the time.

    • BobM says:

      10:06pm | 14/08/10

      If you’re proposing to Tony, Ray, sadly he’s already spoken for.

    • common sense says:

      10:23am | 12/08/10

      i can’t fathom how some voters still can’t decide….it’s simple & certainly not rocket science…let’s not spend our hard earned money on things that we simply can’t afford ie “NBN is a luxury…not a neccessity!!” ...perhaps look at it again in 10-15 yrs time after Libs pay pack the enormous debt that ALP have incurred thru their total mismanagementover recent yrs…Tony has real values & so much common sense!!!

    • Jim says:

      10:42am | 12/08/10

      Here’s my problem:

      Labor = Uncontrolled spending, spectacular failures

      Liberal = Workchoices

      Who wants to vote for either of those?  (No other party offers ‘stable’ minded candidates)

    • Daniel says:

      11:08am | 12/08/10

      But… We can afford it. You do realize both parties are saying the debt will be paid off in 3 years? Labor are doing it with gutting vital services and infrastructure.

    • Ian says:

      06:25am | 13/08/10

      No Daniel.
      Both parties are saying the “budget will be in surplus” in 3 years.  This is VERY different to “the debt will be repaid”.  That you don’t understand the difference is disturbing.
      Both parties are saying the government will stop borrowing money in 3 years.  Until then, they’re borrowing about a undred million dollars a day.
      In 3 years, the debt will still be there, and will take a generation to pay back.

    • TigerBob says:

      10:24am | 12/08/10

      If people vote green or labor, then the greens will control the senate and we will be in big trouble. The greens make the communist party look right wing. They want much higher taxes for everybody that earns over $50K per annum. They want more taxes on all goods and services, and a 10% increase in company tax, they want to establish herion injecting rooms everywhere, they want to pay salaries to inmates in jail and provide for criminals rights. They want to stop subsidies for non government schools including Catholic schools which would double or triple school fees. They are truly off the planet and not a party for families. Please give us a greens party that has good values for families without the radical left wing polices that came from a bygone era. No thanks.

    • Wilma J Craig says:

      10:33am | 12/08/10

      Paul Colgan, You are spot on with your headline!
      Why can’t we have more of these truly open public meetings throughout Australia?
      Our politicians love to hide themselves away behind battalions of minders, security, party officials, spin doctors so that we, the people who pay their wages, never actually get to come face to face with any of them.
      The Rooty Hill, love that name, event not only gave voters the chance to actually make their views & concerns known to a couple of politicians it gave those two politicians the opportunity to hear & understand what is on voter’s minds.
      Why should our pollies be protected from us? We may make them less secure in their seats but other than that we are no threat to any of them!
      Given that this early federal Election of Julia Gillard’s is totally concentrated within NSW & Qld those of us in the other, less marginal States & Territories are being ignored. If the likes of Abbott & Gillard actually paid us more than simply the pathetic lip-service visits they have we may just become every bit as marginal as NSW & Qld. This can only be good for the entire country.
      I hope that whoever wins this election will when the 2013 federal Election rolls round will make sure that these “Rooty Hill Forums” become not just a one-off event in every State & Territory but the people get numerous such meetings with as many people as possible being able to attend and that the organisers ensure that individuals are only allowed to attend one.
      Wasn’t Rooty Hill simply a new expression of grass-roots community political inclusion? That can only be good for Australian Democracy.

    • Sharon Jones says:

      10:41am | 12/08/10

      At the end of the day (to use a well-worn phrase) - a good politician can act like a “man of the people” and say all the right words to appeal to the ordinary voter. Basically, to be a good politician, it seems all you need to do is to be an extremely good actor.

      But the discerning voter needs to be aware of this, and not to be easily fooled by their charming words and folksy humour and mannerisms. A person needs to look at the deeds of the politician - do their actions truly reflect the words that they’re saying? Or are they simply accomplished liars but once they fooled you to get your vote and get into power they proceed to do things that make this country and your way of life decidedly worse off?

      For me, Tony Abbott is this kind of sleazy, smarmy, wily politician. He’s got all the right words to appeal to the ordinary folks. But I’ll not forget in a hurry that he was in the cabinet when John Howard was PM, and when they were there they brought in WorkChoices, taxed food and everyday household items by bringing in the (never ever) GST, and pretty much gave every possible benefit to high-income earners, whereas low-middle-income earners were made to carry the burden. The Liberals save a lot of money because they don’t believe in spending money for services. I don’t know about you but I believe in spending for services that benefit me and my family, such as health and education. The Liberals slash all funding in these areas, leaving this country the worse off in these areas. The poor and disabled are worse off under the Liberal government.

      The Labour government can be seen as wasteful, but I look at it as a natural consequence of their intention to spend money on much-needed services such as health and education. I can forgive them this. And Julia Gillard was the one who abolished WorkChoices, (which was Tony Abbott’s baby let’s not forget!) as soon as Labour ousted the Liberals. I don’t know about you, but WorkChoices was hell for me and my family. The thought that your employer can sack you without reason at all was terrifying. And you couldn’t do anything about it. Not while the Liberals were in power.

      But I did do something about it in 2007 and got rid of these b*stards. It now causes me a great deal of sorrow to think that people will vote for them again, forget all about the harm and damage that they caused to this country and its people, simply because Tony Abbott was wily enough to step off the stage at Rooty Hill RSL in order to look like a “man of the people”.

      There’s more to being a man of the people than simply saying that you are. And there’s more to being a great country than having lots of money in the coffers, in my humble opinion. The leaders should care about the needs of the ordinary people, the poor and disabled, and not simply favour the rich folks and big corporations and businesses.

      I know which government truly cares about the ordinary person. And it’s not the one who simply says that he does, but give him a chance and he will walk all over the ordinary person. Please for God’s sake, don’t give Tony Abbott and the Liberals this opportunity once more.

    • Tony says:

      11:04am | 12/08/10

      A voice of reason at last. So refreshing to hear from someone who actually thinks!

    • Brian says:

      11:27am | 12/08/10

      A nice editorial from Labor/Unions HQ.

      Whatever the name….just oppose it! Whatever ‘it’ is…just oppose it!

      Logical message that.

    • Daryl says:

      12:50pm | 12/08/10

      Sharon, It’s funny how people think differently. I would suggest that if people vote for what the government has done rather than what the government says, no one in their right mind would vote Labor at this election. Look at the 07 promises not delivered (grocery choice, fuelwatch, wont touch the private health rebate, 200+ child care facilities, more affordable housing, better cheaper childcare). Look at their actions (insulation scheme fiasco, school halls rip offs, green loans, ETS backflip, East Timor announcement, non-negotiable profits tax debacle). If you’re voting on action rather than words, that’s enough to not go anywhere near Labor at this election! Also, I find Gillard fake, scripted and a clever polititian. Her past can also be seen as sleazy and her radical self proclaimed feminist and Socialist Forum membership (which she was still a member of ‘till 2002 and lied about) don’t sit well with a lot of people. I thought last night we saw the real Julia and the real Abbott finally. And Abbott won by a huge margin and in traditional Labor heartland. I don’t think the country can afford another three years of failure and waste from Labor. And as a significant taxpayer, I am disgusted at the way the money has been p!ssed away by this incompetent government.

    • Wilma J Craig says:

      02:33pm | 12/08/10

      Maybe Tony Abbott is all you say BUT…the one & only difference between him & Gillard is gender.
      Who was it that said “Kevin Rudd is the BEST person to run the country? Gillard.
      Who was who said on 22 & 23 of June 2010 that Kevin Rudd had her total support? Gillard
      Who then on 24 June 2010 stabbed Kevin Rudd in the back? Gillard
      Who has, instead of waiting until it was actually due in November 2010, called this early Federal Election? Gillard
      Why did she do so? To satisfy her lust for personal power & she knew that if the polls kept going against her she, too, would have been stabbed in the back just as she did Kevin Rudd.
      Gillard=Abbott=Gillard. Both will walk all over the ordinary people. Both serve nameless, faceless masters & will do exactly as they are told.

    • Sharon Jones says:

      04:41pm | 12/08/10

      The Liberal spin doctors would have the public believe that the government’s wasteful spending is a major problem. But again, I prefer to take a look around me rather than believe their hype. Australia was protected from the Global Financial Crisis! This is such an extraordinary thing. Does anyone realise how Europe and America suffered and still suffer tremendously from the effects of the GFC, and yet here we are in Australia still living in relative comfort, having escaped the worst of it? So why should I care about the government spending money, if it meant bringing Australia out of the GFC? Clearly not all of it was a waste! Not too mention a government willing to spend $$ on education for my kids at last!

      As for judging the politician by their actions rather than words, it seems to me that Tony Abbott and every other Liberal politician will court and woo and charm the knickers off the average Aussie by promising them that they care about their issues, and how they’re average people too - but once they’ve hoodwinked these voters into voting for them they then proceed to do the exact opposite once in power. They serve every whim of the rich high income earners and big businesses instead, and yes, at the expense of the average Aussie. 

      I can certainly see through their ways. I’m a taxpayer too and I prefer that my taxes were spent on the people, what the majority of people need. Not just on the wealthy elite and big businesses, who are mostly just interested in protecting their own financial interests. The Liberals wil help them do it, but that’s not what a government is for, in my humble opinion, to serve the interests of the wealthy and privileged few. Meanwhile hoodwinking the rest of us into believing that they care about us, pretending that they care about issues that matter to us, so that foolishly we’d put them in power. Only to walk all over us and make our way of life more and more difficult, as if it weren’t difficult enough already. If you’re an average person like me, don’t let them fool you this time!

    • Ryan says:

      06:03pm | 12/08/10

      @Sharon Jones: clearly you have been suckered into believing the Labor spin. All I can say is thank the Liberal party who left the government with money in the bank and a good banking system to get us through the GFC… if there is a MKII we are in big trouble because of this Labor government.

    • Horthy says:

      06:13pm | 12/08/10

      If you were to back up your arguments with facts, Sharon, then possibly people would listen to you. As it stands yours words are merely bombastic and could be applicable for either of the two main parties.

    • Daryl says:

      09:04am | 13/08/10

      Yes Sharon, Australia was protected from the GFC because we had over $20billion in surplus and none of Labor’s debt left due to the financial management of the Howard LNP. And we had changes to the financial services legislation which meant we had the best regulated banking and Insurance industries in the world. This was also due to legislative reforms during the Howard era. Wake up! If we had a Labor government during those years, we would still have been in debt we wouldn’t have had a surplus and things would have been much much worse. And yes, as a significant taxpayer I object to Labor’s waste of our money! All the GST goes to the states and yet this government is campaigning on state issues of hospitals and schools. How much money did your state Labor government put into your children’s schools Sharon?

    • Academic Angel says:

      10:46am | 12/08/10

      Everyone is missing one point here…neither Tony Abbot nor Julia Gillard are elected by the people as a prime minister. We vote for the party who then select the prime minister. This is not America where the people’s vote elects the leader.

    • Jb says:

      10:50am | 12/08/10

      Earth to the Julias it’s not that we don’t want the NBN it’s that we don’t want YOU!
      Perhaps a little humility and less smugness may help and here’s a start stop saying ‘if I’m re-elected’ who the hell elected you the first time?
      One of the other julias perhaps?
      Please madam off the throne and forget being the real Julia be a real person…

    • Dan says:

      11:12am | 12/08/10

      You realize this person has to represent Australia on an international platform as well. Tony Abbott will be our George W Bush. A farce and an embarrassment.

    • Peter P says:

      11:34am | 12/08/10

      JB says you!! and of course that must make it right!! Must be comforting to know everyone in Australia!!

    • Daniel says:

      10:51am | 12/08/10

      I’d rather Laurie Oakes and Kerry O’brien sit down and ask them the questions. The average “Rooty Hill” punter is completely clueless and is only going to spout garbage headlines, rather than anything backed by research. Completely oblivious to the facts, oblivious to cause, oblivious to correlation, oblivious to context. Correcting the idiots during the questioning would only reflect poorly on Gillard/Abbott.

    • MarK says:

      11:18am | 12/08/10

      Are you seriously suggesting that O’Brien and Oakes on their enormous salaries, with their enormous egos, living in a political bubble have a better clue about what the “average” punter thinks or feels?

      Really?

    • BHH says:

      06:06pm | 12/08/10

      Oakes and O’Brien do not represent people of “Rooty Hill”, nor do you or I. Local people has their local issue and each individual is different. Gillard/Abbott or any politicians for that matter should address issues that concern me, not Oakes or O’Brien, as a voter. Election is not research science; it is a democratic process to select our local representative who is most likely to speak for us, not their political party.
      I watched the program last night and was impressed by the professionalism of Sky News, especially David Speers and Ashleigh Gillion. Abbott won last night - it is as clear as the sky.

    • Steven says:

      10:52am | 12/08/10

      For some reason Abbott reminds me of Bob Hawke. I just can’t put my finger on exactly what it is but the leader for the people thing could be it. He grabs his ear alot too.

    • ted says:

      11:11am | 12/08/10

      Except Abbott has morals.

      Bob Hawke’s “blokey” veneer was a great cover for the poor excuse for a human being. Look at the way he treated Hazel and then that 60 minutes piece on him and Blanche in his “budgie smugglers”. A true testament of the quality of JWH was when Hawke left Hazel, Howard, after all the sledging both Bob and Hazel gave him over the years, stopped the Treasury turning off HER pension when she needed it the most.

      Abbott won last night easily because he is AUTHENTIC. He has a wife, kids, a mortgage, volunteers at the beach, in the rural fire service amongst all the other charitable pursuits e.g. the Pollie Pedal.

      Gillard…...sad excuse for a leader, as was Rudd. Ben Chifley wouldn’t join today’s ALP.

    • TigerBob says:

      10:53am | 12/08/10

      Wilma J Craig
      I’m with you 100%
      Academic Angel
      Kevin Rudd was elected on a Labor organised “Kevin07” campaign. it doesnt get more presidential than that. Technically, the party does vote the leader. But morally and ethically, kevin was voted for and elected by the people. The same people who voted him in should have been given the right to either vote him in or out at the next election, not the faction bosses and unelected union leaders such as Paul Howes.

    • fehowarth says:

      10:53am | 12/08/10

      You need more to be PM than being s good bloke and one of the mob.  What mob will Mr.  Abbott be good for.  I am sure it will not be mine, an old age full pensioner.

    • Alan says:

      11:31am | 12/08/10

      Yeah OK and what did Gillard do with the question of raising the old-age pension??

      Quote “Don’t raise the pension, old people don’t vote Labor”.........hmmmm governing for all, I don’t think so.

    • Gary says:

      11:22am | 12/08/10

      As i saw it, Abbott had better handlers. They had the advantage of going second, evaluating the audience and Gillard’s performance, and made the decision to get their boy down in front of the mob like ‘a man of the people’. I think Abbott spoilt the effect initially, by smirking from the very moment he said he was going down off the stage.
      Score update, lib handlers (Crosby/Textor?) 1, Labor handlers 0.
      at the end of the night, audience of 200 votes Abbott 79, Gillard 51. That still left 70 undecided, not as clear cut as I thought.

    • Amber says:

      11:27am | 12/08/10

      Daryl, Tony Abbott IS an ordinary bloke who is life-saver and community minded. He lives in the most ordinary suburb of the north side and has three kids, a working wife, a mortgage, and a dog. How much more normal can you get than that? Julia on the other hand is not really the ‘‘norm’’ for a 50-year old woman, who claims to understand the plight of ‘‘ordinary Australians’‘.
      Tony, last night bridged a lot of the perceived chasm between the north and south sides of the Harbour. Both sides view each other as unknown, foreign territory.  Perhaps that was one of the more positive outcomes of last night.  The idea of us and them in politics (the unions’ biggest weapon)  needs to be broken down and I think it is finally happening. Ironically,  Tony Abbott is more likely to achieve that then the aloof, preachy Julia.

    • John says:

      11:34am | 12/08/10

      I think if they want to be leaders for all the people, they should refuse to a public debate which is only available for viewing by a selected group (ie paying TV customers)

    • Larson says:

      03:22pm | 12/08/10

      It wasn’t worth watching John the whole thing was a setup . It was rigged with Liberal voters, shame really because as a voter I wanted to see a fair event, I am undecided on the NBN. I can’t work out who’s plan is best. I own a small business and fast internet would sure be a help

    • Stewart Henstock says:

      11:35am | 12/08/10

      The NBN sounds good but is it?
      As a low income earner i’m restricted to dial up because of costs:$24.95 per month.
      How much will Julia’s broadband cost me to sign up each month?
      If Aust goes fiber optic….will dial up still exist?
      Can Aust afford $44 billion considering even tho Julia says a surplus budget is not too far away Aust will still be paying of millions in interest each day irrespective of having the budget in surplus?

      Anyone?

    • Gryphen says:

      01:31pm | 12/08/10

      Stewart, when dialup was all there was it was expensive, as the introduction of ADSL1 then ADSL2 has occured the price has been falling, limits growing etc, introduce the NBN and the prices will continue to fall whilst the usage allowances go up. Plus at the moment Telstra retains a stranglehold on the infrastructure, after all they own it, by introducing the NBN that balance of power and control gets shifted, no longer is Telstra taking their cut of all accounts, it is up to the provider to set their prices, and as the govt is paying via our taxes for the infrastructure there is less associated cost to pass onto the clients (us) so in the end it does get cheaper. If you checkout the cost in Tassie for the NBN accounts you can see that the price is in fact appreciably cheaper than the current ADSL2 accounts. The price is listed as $39.95 when bundled with a phone (transfer hoouse phone to same provider)(Telstra charges for the cheapest home phone $20.95 per month rental) so in other words your NBN connection would cost $19.95 a month for a BETTER THAN adsl2 connection and includes the wireless router and setup. So already it is moving the cost in the right direction.

    • Chris says:

      12:22pm | 12/08/10

      How could possibly need another one of these. We basically have the same pre-recorded messages on repeat from both side. If you don’t know what each side stands for by now you’re a dimwit.

    • Brad says:

      12:34pm | 12/08/10

      Tony is looking tired.  I think he is seeing the start of the end.  Good fighter but hopelessly out of his weight division.

      Should retire to being an occasional scrapper like Barnaby who throws haymakers and walks away !

    • Bryan says:

      12:48pm | 12/08/10

      I watched this online yesterday and could not have been more impressed with Abbott. Also, if this is how the people in Sydney feel about Gillard she is in big trouble. It is funny that not much has been made of this comminity debate. The ABC for instace made a couple of references to it and if you were watching online and then heard what the ABC said you could be forgiven for thinking that the ABC was either nowwhere near this event or chose not to advsie its viewers of what really happened. For me this was a turning point in the election.

    • MarK says:

      02:58pm | 12/08/10

      I keep saying it, NSW hates Labor at the moment.

      As soon as she was put on the spot about keeping promises she lost the audience.

      We have all been there and done that in NSW.

      It will not be pretty for them in this state.

    • Julie Coker-Godson says:

      03:37pm | 12/08/10

      @Bryhan:  Couldn’t agree more.  I watched this forum via computer live streaming and from the reportage this morning anyone would be forgiven for thinking we had watched entirely different programmes!  I have posted above what the percentages were online and I suspect that this is the reason why we are not getting the figures that were shown on computer screens last night.  I’ll repeat them: 26% Julia Gillard and 74% Tony Abbott for the online poll on Coveritlive.

    • Bruce says:

      03:14pm | 12/08/10

      Tony Abbott was very impresive. Joining the audience worked very well. Its a great approach to get up close to the people asking questions. Julia Gillard presentation felt more like a school maam pointing getting her children to put their hands up. While she answered questions reasonably, you could not help but feel more affinity with Tony Abbott. I hope the media does more of these events.

    • Blossom says:

      03:17pm | 12/08/10

      I see The Liberal hero Mark Latham has had a go at Tony Abbott, I wonder if you think he is so great now!!! He asked Abbott was he going to apologise for getting Pauline Hanson jailed!!  Abbott deserves what he gets and its about time Latham started acting like the Labor guy he really is. You didn’t seriously think he would vote Liberal did you?

    • BobM says:

      04:39pm | 12/08/10

      Who cares who Latham votes for - sure as hell won’t be Julia tho.

    • MarK says:

      05:02pm | 12/08/10

      We still hate Latham just as much as we did before.

      No more no less.

      What are you implying? That we think it is extremely funny am ex Labor leader is running around like a complete idiot and the person Labor has now put up as PM material was once one of greatest fans? If you are implying that then YES.

      We think it extremely amusing that Latham trashes the Labor by his mere presence.

      I really get bored with the continual repetition ogf the following though.

      The right wing people on this site

      DO

      NOT

      LIKE

      LATHAM

      Thank you for your time. You guys really need to keep up. He is your garbage. You are welcome to him.

    • Steven says:

      05:27pm | 12/08/10

      Will channel 9 apologise to Tony Abbott Blossom?

    • VENEER says:

      03:34pm | 12/08/10

      GILLARD is by far the most boring politician in years her handwaving drives people mad
      her mantra phrases eg more to be done mean what!
      Moving foward what does that mean?
      we dont beleive her words anymore so we will judge her by her actions and as of late her actions are that of lady macbeth and not st joan of arc
      in other words Gillard is all a veneer our for herslf not a team player but someone who thinks she is far better than she is well she thought she was better than Krudd but where is the irrefutable proof that is so?
      so where are the key indicators that will prove she was right to knife Rudd
      Ms Gillard would do well to act with a real genuine humility and to not just spout words that may be INEXACTITUDES!

    • Holly says:

      03:43pm | 12/08/10

      Blossom - That is one question I would have liked Tony Abbott to face last night but not a chance.  People have selective memories and some are too young to know about this rather sordid part of political history, but I would never support a person as prime minister who had been involved in the case against Pauline Hanson in the way that he was - despite the fact I do not support her views in any way..  When Tony was caught out, his response was to say that misleading the ABC ( i.e. the voting public ) was not as bad as misleading parliament.  That alone makes him unfit to lead the country.  The whole sorry record is available online if you care to look.

    • Joe Blow says:

      08:41am | 13/08/10

      But you would vote for someone who wanted Mark Latham to be Prime Minister of Australia?  You are a scream Holly, an absolute scream.

    • Danni says:

      04:54pm | 12/08/10

      How stacked was that audience. What a joke News Ltd is.

    • Duke says:

      07:14pm | 12/08/10

      Wow, the first 50 posta here are more stacked than the Rooty Hill Liberal Party branch meeting last night!

    • Christian Real says:

      04:35am | 13/08/10

      It was easy to tell that this Rooty Hill forum was stacked with Liberal stooges,as for being undecided voters, they were as phoney as Tony Abbott himself, and it was obvious that they were carefully handpicked to make Tony Abbott look good, when in fact he really isn’t.
      THe whistling, cheering and clapping when Tony Abbott made his enterance also gave it away that these ‘undecided voters, were in fact ,ring in’s,hard core Liberal supporters
      David Speers, SkyNews ,the Daily Telegraph and other News.com affliliated media seems to be well known for their Liberal support.

    • Greg says:

      09:14am | 13/08/10

      Ha, yeah Labor lost - must have been stacked eh Christian. I’d refer you to the editorials of the two main Sydney papers on the day of the 07 election. Then come back and tell me who the media supports.

 

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