It was another poor week for the Government, and one in which the Opposition didn’t have to lift a finger.

Cartoon: Bill Leak


In fact, Tony Abbott just rode off into the sunset swapping the noisy “gutter politics” of the last weeks of Parliament for the majesty of the open road.  His lycra-clad parade along the 2011 Pollie Pedal charity bike ride gave us a new variant - gusset politics.

But Julia Gillard’s misfortune had nothing to do with nagging suspicions of where the alternative PM keeps his spare pair of socks.

Rather it was that yet another week had drifted by. Another week when the modest goal of simply being seen to govern was consumed by a faux “values” brawl with the Greens, and the continuing aftershocks of last June’s earthquake when she seized the prime ministership from Kevin Rudd.

Government MPs were mortified at their former leader’s blatant destabilisation when he appeared on the ABC’s Q&A to reveal some of his Cabinet colleagues - read Julia Gillard herself - had wanted not merely to delay the Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme, but to ``kill’’ it for good.

With Ms Gillard currently locked in an all-or-nothing battle to force a carbon price through parliament and claiming the moral high ground that she had “always” believed it was necessary, it was another surgically precise blow to her credibility.

Yet there was also an element of resignation within Labor. Ominously, despite one MP’s reported view that Mr Rudd was a ``selfish ego-maniac’‘, the ex-PM is unbowed, determinedly reserving the right to"correct the record” again if he deems it necessary.

This is Julia Gillard’s exquisite dilemma.

Kevin Rudd has her over a barrel. She simply cannot risk him leaving parliament because Labor might very well lose his seat in the subsequent by-election. And with that would go the ball-game. His Brisbane seat of Griffith would fall with a swing away greater than 8.5 per cent. That’s easily imaginable if he were not the candidate and is small beer compared to the anti-Labor swings we saw in NSW recently. The by-election would immediately be seen as a referendum on Ms Gillard’s government - and in Queensland of all places! This is Labor’s horror scenario.

What it means in practice is that Julia Gillard has no authority over her own Foreign Minister. That much was clear from his recent Libyan no-fly zone campaign where it was the PM who was forced to adopt the language of her Foreign Minister rather than the other way around.

His reaction to being disciplined by a woman he now despises could be anything from meek acceptance (unlikely) to blithely ignoring the request (highly likely) or even opting for more public candour (more than likely). And if she tried to sack him, he could walk, (game over).

So Labor is stuck with him despite what some of his colleagues now worry is his fall-back agenda - to regain the leadership in opposition and reprise his Kevin07 success.

This is a toxic environment. In terms of cabinet solidarity, the capacity for ministers to speak freely without fear of being quoted is fundamental to Westminster government. The Prime Minister must know this but is powerless to act.

One effect of the Q&A revelation is a renewed suspicion of the former PM’s connection to previous leaks. You will recall these unsourced leaks went to Ms Gillard’s alleged privately expressed opposition to lifting aged pensions (old people don’t vote for us anyway) and paid parental leave (stay-at-home mothers and older women will resent it).

With the events of this week, some in Labor thinks they see a pattern.

Exhibit one was Mr Rudd’s declaration to Caucus on the morning he was rolled, June 24, 2010. That was when he told his colleagues that the people to whom they were mistakenly turning, Julia Gillard and Wayne Swan, were the very two who had persuaded him to delay the Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme. It is of course, widely accepted that junking the CPRS was the moment when Kevin Rudd’s bond with voters was snapped.

Mr Rudd presumably knew at that late stage, that outing the architects of his decline could not save him. Indeed, he had probably already decided not to force a vote. But he wanted it on the public record.

The revelation hobbled Ms Gillard’s leadership from the get-go by neutering her ability to present as the new broom. She was left with the unconvincing assertion that “a good government had lost its way”.

The subsequent leaks in week two of the election campaign smashed her poll ratings, at a time of quite extraordinary popularity among female voters. Indeed, an Advertiser poll in marginal Kingston of 605 voters taken just before the leaks emerged showed her leading Mr Abbott as preferred prime minister by a massive 46 points with a 68 per cent approval rating to his 22 per cent. Among women, the difference was even starker with only 17 per cent of voters favouring Mr Abbott to Ms Gillard on 73 per cent.

Exhibit two came this week on national television. The point being that viewed as a job-lot, the three revelations have all had the same “MO”, to erode Ms Gillard’s credibility by highlighting at critical moments, alleged differences between her public and private positions.

The truth is, there is no evidence Kevin Rudd was the source of the election campaign leaks. But it no longer matters.

He has made it clear he intends to speak out whenever he deems it necessary - and there ain’t much Julia Gillard can do about it.

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    • Against the Man says:

      07:01am | 09/04/11

      Dysfunctional.

      That just about sums up fake PM Gilltard’s Federal ALP government.

      So what does it mean for us?

      The government isn’t developing or implementing policies. They are wasting money and so have to either slash election promises (bye, bye dental plan) or tax us (hello flood/carbon tax).

      So some people voted for Gilltard and right now Rudd/Brown have her on a very short leash smile

      C’mon guys are we really gonna let her last till June to collect that ill deserved pension. Waste more taxpayer monies? Revolution!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • TChong says:

      07:26am | 09/04/11

      Thats better AtM , back to your old self.
      Careful of the typos though AtM, as it appears you want a dental plan.
      You want the govt to give you something?
      Sounds like socialism to me.
      june rolution? you only ave about 6 weeks AtM, so get cracking on that , instead of just sitting around waiting for childless, atheist Gillard to give you a handout for your new dentures.
      See you at the barricades , comrade.  wink

    • Seano says:

      08:07am | 09/04/11

      “Revolution!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

      I’ve got a catch cry for you too.

      “We demand a government of the insane, by the insane, for the insane”.

      BTW - Welcome to constitutional democracy, see you in 2013 clown.

    • Zafa says:

      09:09am | 09/04/11

      No let us not Are you going to lead us into her dismissal Against the Man.

    • scubasteve says:

      09:23am | 09/04/11

      careful the typos TChong.

      should that be rollulution? 

      ? trainwreckulution.

    • Faz says:

      09:47am | 09/04/11

      You think the way HowHard ran his cabinet was all peaches and cream, AtM? There are always tensions where big egos are at play.

      The election’s been had, someone had to make a deal. We have to live with that deal because that’s how we voted.

      You’d have to suspend reality big time to imagine that Abbott would have handled it better or would have been less ‘dysfunctional’. He’d have presided over a coalition of Nats, Greens and Indies. Given he’s shown us that he’s as subtle as a brick outhouse, it wouldn’t have lasted weeks.

      A fundamental reason the indies went for Labor was stability. Julia is delivering that. You may argue ‘only just’, but it was clear then and it’s even clearer now, that Abbott just couldn’t convince them that he wasn’t looking for another election asap.

    • Against the Man says:

      10:10am | 09/04/11

      TChong and Seano, the true ALP stooges. Yes, I want something - results. But it seems you guys just keep talking away but can’t back up your arguments. Never mind I enjoy watching you guys flounder around. I beat up Seano so good in the last article he gave up. Yawn….and TChong is becoming more aggressive in his posts as he doesn’t seem to like being made a fool of. Look dude give me some cold hard facts and results and I’ll be impressed. Hey you guys gonna close your ANZ bank accounts? Seems I’m not the only one that thinks Gilltard is a useless waste of space.

      I’ll bet these 2 will respond with more blah, blah BS and zero facts or results to back them up. True recipients of the NATO (No Action Talk Only) Award!

      Let me leave you with some salt to rub in your wounds….......

      http://www.smh.com.au/national/research-cuts-put-lives-at-risk-say-medical-institutes-20110406-1d4kr.html

      I though the ALP were great economic managers. MuHaHAHa!

    • Viva le Revolution says:

      11:02am | 09/04/11

      It would seem Green/Labor Trolls have nothing constructive or intellectual to contribute to either side of the political debate,poor education and an inability to articulate anything but insults is testament to their poor grasp of an understanding of the westminster system and indeed ignorance is systemic in the rank and file, Irrational and non factual rantings clearly explains the erratic behaviour of both supporters and their chosen leaders,sadly, the mental health system has let them down.

    • Gerard says:

      11:52am | 09/04/11

      Expecting governments to provide a return to the public is Socialism, TChong? Presumably you think we should be serving the government instead? Sounds like a call for totalitarianism to me.

    • Against the Man says:

      01:01pm | 09/04/11

      I will throw down a challange to Seano and TChong! List 8 significant achievements by the ALP since coming to power in’07. Thats about 2 per year. If you can’t than this lays to rest in front of everyone here on the Punch that you guys are full of crap and your opinions are not worth dirt. If you can list them, I’ll leave this forum FOREVER!

      Oh and remember the Global Financial Crisis was prevented because the previous government left the ALP a strong economy and surplus even Swan admits that, so you can’t cheat and use that one smile

      Oh Hell I’ll give you guys the GFC, I’m a pretty nice guy and reasonable. Ok name 7 more….......smile

    • Seano says:

      01:36pm | 09/04/11

      I voted LNP in the state election. There’s only one stooge here and it ain’t me. Just like there’s only one sane person here and it ain’t you.

    • Rosie says:

      01:55pm | 09/04/11

      Gillard apologists know and I quote Paul Kelly, Australian; “Gillard’s credibility is in tatters and there is little she can do about it” because as he says in the heading of his article; “PM boxed in by Rudd on the rebound.

      The fact is we are being placed in this position is because of the way in which Julia Gillard allowed herself to knife Rudd and become PM. We were then given a Minority Govt where we have to guess their actions. Today it is like we are playing “charades” with a Govt, lead by a controversial PM who was voted in by two votes and not a usual mandate.

      Gillard with her front benches of the Labor caucus think they can do a “Marcel Marceau” presenting us with their self creation as possible, using their deluded imagination at full with whatever it takes to keep them in power.

      The difference with “Marcel Marceau” was he couldn’t talk but we all know he could talk and talk he could. Literally, Gillard is no doubt the best “talker” Australia has at the moment.  With all the “talking” she has done since she became PM we, except her apologists, have managed to work out what exactly is going through her ranga head and that is trying to make the “invisible visible”

      Unlike the great Marcel Marceau who was able to fascinate the world into mesmerization and great admiration, Gillard has managed to become a liar, spiteful to a strong Opposition who makes her and her Govt accountable, makes promises but doesn’t deliver and has proven that it didn’t pay to knife Rudd. To Rudd’s advantage Gillard has also managed to put him on a pedestal because she has no choice but allow him to do and say whatever he likes.

      Key to failure is trying to please everyone, Gillard is doing it to remain in power for as long as it takes. As she tries to survive, nothing with conviction will be done for the people and the country, wasting a lot of money, time and energy.

      A hint for Tony Abbott from Marcel Marceau; ” It’s good to shut up sometimes.” Lucky for him he is in the position to do so!

    • Against the Man says:

      02:53pm | 09/04/11

      So Seano has given us the great ALP cop out. You are not foolin’ anyone by saying you voted for the LIbs, blah, blah. We have seen your posts and know your real political leanings. Nice try, lost the challenge and called me names and insane but at the end of the day you lost. Happens to you a lot in real life huh Seano. Oh well another one bites the dust.

      If I’m insane and you couldn’t accept and win my challenge what does that say about you. HaHa I’m not insane and you’re not a man HaHAa smile

      Like Gilltard you are a disgrace Seano. You need to know that to debate with the men, you need facts and able to back up your views.

    • Steve says:

      03:40pm | 09/04/11

      ATM. Don’t concede them the GFC. When the economic revisionist historians finally realise that the stimulas was applied to one of the weakest downturns our economy has experienced you will regret that concession . The classic confusion of disease or cure. A downturn is the cure of an overheating economy. The bank guarantees were right. Rudd claimed to be a great student of the depression and convinced the already debt laden G20 members to go further into debt. What uniqely made the depression was the collapse of credit. In the USA 10,000 banks went broke. The situation was only worsened not created by Govt increasing taxes and reducing expenditure. Stimulas spending is about creating an optomistic mood rather than the effect of the dollars. Thus announcing good infastructure projects would have been better. The unprecedented flood of $100 cheques frightened the hell out of people and that fear is still eveident in reatil to this day long after those stimulas dollars have safely landed in China and Bintang brewery Bali.

    • Rosie says:

      03:47pm | 09/04/11

      Ooooooooops it should have been “trying to make the “visible invisible”

      “With all the “talking” she has done since she became PM we, except her apologists, have managed to work out what exactly is going through her ranga head and that is trying to make the “invisible visible”

    • Seano says:

      04:41pm | 09/04/11

      “So Seano has given us the great ALP cop out. You are not foolin’ anyone by saying you voted for the LIbs, blah, blah. We have seen your posts and know your real political leanings”

      Yes that’s why I said on numerous occasions before the election that I was going to look at voting LNP once they addressed a couple of issues (which they pretty much did). Go and look rather than just look silly. 

      That’s why I said on numerous occasions before the election that Labor in NSW where mixture of corrupt incompetents who did not deserve another chance.

      It really was clever of me to disguise my evil plan for Labor domination by bagging Labor and eventually begrudgingly recommending the LNP in NSW.

      You’re a loon AtM that can’t be disguised.

    • acotrel says:

      10:04am | 10/04/11

      I throw down the challenge to ATM!  Name eight major infrastructure projects any conservative government has initiated since 1788 ?

    • Against the Man says:

      11:14am | 10/04/11

      acotrel by challenging me you are saying the Gillard government is illegal? Because the last time I checked the Coalition was the opposition? But since Howard spent the 11years in government paying off ALP debts, once again it is the ALP’s fault. And the next Liberal government will be doing the same thing, cleaning up ALP’s mess. Hey remember the HUGE budget shortfall discovered after the NSW election? Mmmmm what was that all about?

      Remember if you have to talk about past governments as your only line of defense it is an instant lose for you smile

      I’m challenging the ALP hounds because not only have they not achieved anything they have wasted billions in the process. That is embarressing! And now they are cutting spending in every corner and taxing to get the budget on track. Great economic managers my foot, the people of this country should take a class action against these bunch of incompetents.

      Like I said acotrel nice try, don’t deflect answer the original challenge of the government in place now. Unless you are saying Gilltard is the illegal PM of this country smile

    • Against the Man says:

      11:14am | 10/04/11

      acotrel by challenging me you are saying the Gillard government is illegal? Because the last time I checked the Coalition was the opposition? But since Howard spent the 11years in government paying off ALP debts, once again it is the ALP’s fault. And the next Liberal government will be doing the same thing, cleaning up ALP’s mess. Hey remember the HUGE budget shortfall discovered after the NSW election? Mmmmm what was that all about?

      Remember if you have to talk about past governments as your only line of defense it is an instant lose for you smile

      I’m challenging the ALP hounds because not only have they not achieved anything they have wasted billions in the process. That is embarressing! And now they are cutting spending in every corner and taxing to get the budget on track. Great economic managers my foot, the people of this country should take a class action against these bunch of incompetents.

      Like I said acotrel nice try, don’t deflect answer the original challenge of the government in place now. Unless you are saying Gilltard is the illegal PM of this country smile

    • biff says:

      07:12am | 09/04/11

      Mr Rudd’s schadenfreude is quite palpable.

    • ZSRenn says:

      09:04am | 09/04/11

      I blame it on everybody having some kind of online dictionary and thesaurus but the impolite think it’s cool.

    • L. says:

      02:42pm | 09/04/11

      Actually ZSR, I think the word “schadenfreude” was made popular by Rose from 2 1/2 Men

      grin

    • ZSRenn says:

      03:18pm | 09/04/11

      Sorry I stand corrected.

      Who are these 2/ 12 men you speak of? Are they anything like the three wise men and one has a height dysfunction?

      Is Rose their leader?

      They must be truly learned people to have such vocabulary.

    • TimB says:

      04:48pm | 09/04/11

      I think I actually picked it up when I was a wee boy watching the Simpsons. The ep where Homer watches in glee as Flanders’ Leftorium store fails epically.

    • C says:

      10:35am | 10/04/11

      When was that Timb
      last year?

    • josh says:

      10:57am | 10/04/11

      I thought it was made popular by Alan from Boston Legal?

    • TimB says:

      06:00pm | 10/04/11

      Oh how clever C/Badger. Such a wit.

      Not that you deserve a serious answer, but given the ep aired in 1991, I would say early 90’s. Which would put me anywhere from 6-10 years old then, depending.

    • hot tub political machine says:

      12:19pm | 11/04/11

      A teacher in the early 90’s taught me about it.

    • michael j says:

      07:43am | 09/04/11

      The fact we live in the age of information and candid truth,and we can get the low down on cabinet meetings without waiting the previously required 30 years
      is a little bewildering for someone who was a true blue unionist during JOH,s
      reign of terror,,but to see the PM say she would not discuss cabinet meetings
      after Rudd’s crucifixion of her and Swanie on Q&A was perhaps a bit odd,
      while the PM tells us stuff we don’t know, ex dope smoker,,i am a liar, she is
      for the moment unwilling to discuss what Rudd claims to be the truth,,
      crash & burn, train wreck, its almost like Mark Lathan has a cubord full of voodoo dolls and is the real faceless man,,,,,,,,

    • commonsense says:

      02:47pm | 09/04/11

      Mark Latham might have some long pins, he reckons he hates well. I can’t wait for this awful lot to fall in a sobbing heap, couldn’t happen to a more deserving party

    • Steve says:

      04:08pm | 09/04/11

      My mind conjured a cartoon image of latham doing voodoo. You came up with a gem of a thought that was very amusing to me. I hope you keep credit for it if it gets promulgated amongst political cartoonists. Can you draw cartoons by the way?

    • michael j says:

      05:51pm | 09/04/11

      @Steve ,no after 50+yrs i still can’t make a stick figure,but before i die i will get this computer to do some things, when i feel ready i am going to have a go at y.tube

    • Robert Smissen, rural SA, God's own country says:

      12:46am | 10/04/11

      Commonsense you are wrong, Julia LOVES Mark Latham, after all she shivved Big Kymmie in the back & backed Latham to be PM in 2004

    • thatmosis says:

      08:04am | 09/04/11

      Im sorry people but we all know that itys not aking Jooliar who runs the country but Queen Bob so whatever Krudd says about the Labor Party is irrelevant isnt it. get your facts straight before making fools of yourselves, gee.

    • Grammar Nazi says:

      10:16am | 09/04/11

      Your ability to communicate is hampered by poor grammar. There is no point participating in name calling if the way you deliver the message just makes you look foolish. Get your grammar straight and maybe you will be taken seriously.

    • Simon LeGrande says:

      10:16am | 09/04/11

      yes thatmosis
      bob brown runs the country, now eat your porridge and have a nap.

    • ZSRenn says:

      02:52pm | 09/04/11

      Doesn’t anybody have internet Blog manners anymore?

      In the good old days it was impolite to correct someone’s grammar and spelling in a forum.

      It also makes you look like you are having a cheap shot and causes those less confident amongst us to be wary of posting and lose an opportunity to speak. 

      The use of thesauruses and word processors to look up the most obscure word available was another impoliteness and hampers your ability to communicate what you are saying.

      Ah the good old days of the internet!

      It was slow but at least you didn’t waste time being an arse and got on with the debate.

    • Zafa says:

      03:55pm | 09/04/11

      Like any child you should read over your work before you hand it in.  Otherwise no marks, sorry.

    • sir ronald bradnam says:

      04:36pm | 09/04/11

      SRZenn take note of what you said get on with the debate, I wouldnt have picked you as less confident anyone who bandishes the F word around as much as you dropping it into debate as frequently as you do.

    • Chris L says:

      05:27pm | 09/04/11

      ZSRenn, just because you have to look a word up in the dictionary doesn’t mean the person saying it had to.

    • Ryan says:

      10:12pm | 10/04/11

      @ZSRenn: No one even bothers with Grammar trolls, they are sad and have nothing to contribute to the actual conversation so instead hang around like a foul odour.

    • Ben in Canberra says:

      08:08am | 09/04/11

      It is becoming more unconvincing each time Gillard faces the media and giggles off a question about the discipline of her ministers. She has consistently stated that she won’t comment on the past nor comment on confidential cabinet discussions. The question then needs to be asked then if she won’t do it, why does she allow Rudd to? Resultantly, Mark you rightly point out that she is in a no win situation with regards to the real possibility of losing office should Rudd walk.

      The parlous state of politics in this country is palpable. On the other side of the house we have ambition steeped in the remnants of the Howard years but with no real clear vision, on the cross benches you have indulgent self interest, and soon to be in the senate you have a gross over-representation of the Greens.

      The best hope for the nation is a massive coup de dat on the conservative side of politics. Remove the fervent right wing element, install sensible politicians in shadow cabinet who are willing to engage in bi-partisanship, and take the fight to the government where it counts in the areas of immigration, carbon pollution and tax reform

    • mags says:

      08:30am | 09/04/11

      You forgot to mention one other factor that has contributed to the state of politics today - a complacent media that has failed to do its job by informing the public of the things that matter to them. Their failure to get real answers from anyone in government about anything they are doing or have done that needs to be told. In their ignorance many people cast votes for people that they would never have vote for if they knew all the facts. That’s why the state of the nation is so bad.

    • Caught in the spin says:

      10:21am | 09/04/11

      bullshit mags
      There is nothing wrong with the state of the nation.
      Looks like you got sucked into the conservative spin cycle.
      sorry, I can’t reach the off button, you’ll just have to keep spinning,

    • Ben in Canberra says:

      10:59am | 09/04/11

      Ha, caught in the spin, more like caught up in the bullshit. Open your eyes.

    • Gerard says:

      12:28pm | 09/04/11

      Good call mags, 100% correct. The very fact that populist crap like Q&A is considered a high point in political debate in Australia shows just how badly the media is failing in analysing and critiquing the performance of governments.

    • Mellors says:

      02:08pm | 09/04/11

      Well spoken Gerard, Q&A has the riveting tension of The Bold and the Beautiful, and is equally as important.

    • ZSRenn says:

      02:34pm | 09/04/11

      @ mags You just don’t get it do you there is no money in reporting Australia’s problems to it’s population.

      The money is in reporting how Paris Hilton’s dog just had a toe clip which cost $10,000

      You know the important stuff!

    • Zafa says:

      03:59pm | 09/04/11

      Which Puppetmaster advised her on the giggle.  It drives me crazy.  Giggling at the eloquent, deadly serious Assange was frowned upon by myself and anyone who had ever heard of the word ‘manners’.

    • Seano says:

      08:09am | 09/04/11

      That’s Tony Abbott all over, swapping gutter politics for nothing, he’s so very unpopular for good reason.

    • mags says:

      08:25am | 09/04/11

      How well informed your are Seano. Do you know what that particular bike ride is for? And how many politicians take part? Well it’s a charity bike ride that Tony Abbott has participated in for years. If you don’t know that, you really are ignorant. Plonker

    • Super D says:

      08:42am | 09/04/11

      What it demonstrates is without Abbott around the Canberra gallery can’t confect an outrage to provide a smokescreen for the disastrous government.

    • Joan says:

      08:45am | 09/04/11

      Pollie pedal raising money for charity is sure more healthy and sure beats Labor backstabbing and skulduggery any day. Sick Labor knows little about charity, honesty and healthy spirit. .... the sicker Labor get the more voters walk away

    • Denny Crane says:

      09:25am | 09/04/11

      I suppose its better than swapping gutter politics for even lower gutter politics. Gillard is exposing herself as a person with little or no ethics and devoid of any morality. he comments about the greens not loving their families was about as crude and rude as anything said in politics since Pauline was around. Not that the dimwitted rusted-on labor supported would admit this error.

      Expect the greens to be a lot less comprimising. Why would they concede anything to a woman who thinks they dont love their families. Each bit of green legislation will be far more extreme then the voter imagined and Gillard will be to blame. (mind you the media will probably try and blame Abbott)

      As each day passes the shallowness of Gillard is being exposed. On another front she is facing trouble with the undeliverable promise she made to Wilkie. Her lust for power overrode her commonsense and Wilkie may soon turn, although its doubtful as Abbott would not be so stupid as to agree to Wilkies stupid gambling reforms. But it will be interesting to watch.

    • Against the Man says:

      10:45am | 09/04/11

      Poor Seano, looks like I’m not the only one taking you down today. I admire your faithfulness to a sinking ALP ship. Dogs are really faithful pets (that one is for the clown comment )  smile

    • Seano says:

      10:55am | 09/04/11

      @mags - Of course I was speaking about Abbott being a policy vacuum not the bike ride. A bit silly to make snarky comments when you’ve missed the point being made.

      @Denny - And Abbott is the model of morals and ethics…give me a break. Abbott offers us no solutions, only more division and more negativity. IMO the LNP would romp it in if they dump Abbott before the next election. Abbott’s negativity and deservedly earned unpopularity will be the millstone that keeps them out of office for another three years. The same as unpopularity that saw him just miss out last time. The same unpopularity that saw him unable to negotiate a deal with only one of three conservative independents. The bloke is unelectable.

      @Joan - give it a rest Joan, the whole labor is evil thing is moronic, they’re all politicians after all and the difference between the majors isn’t that great.

      @Super D - LMAO. Trotting out the the great leftist media conspiracy stuff on a thread bagging Gillard, funny, funny stuff.

    • TimB says:

      11:58am | 09/04/11

      I I bet he does know that Mags. He just doesn’t care.

      Seano’s own irrational dislike of Tony Abbott is more than enough to condemn him no matter what good Tony actually does.

    • Ryan says:

      12:00pm | 09/04/11

      Don’t worry people, Seano hates surf lifesaving too.

    • Seano says:

      01:33pm | 09/04/11

      @Tiny Tim - oh how very brave you are once to chip in only once the hive thinking trolls are out in force. Lets not mention ignoring the point to play the man. How typically Timmy, how typically sad.

      @AtM - your jibber never equates to anything worthwhile, so right up to your usual standard. I’ll talk to you when you have something sensible to say. Ask the person reading this to you for help.

      @Ryan - Yes a complaint about a pollie constantly posing for the cameras in his budgie smugglers equated to hating the surf lifesavers. Even loopier than AtM champ and he sets the bar pretty high.

    • Eyes Green says:

      01:47pm | 09/04/11

      @ Seano - “Abbott’s negativity and deservedly earned unpopularity will be the millstone that keeps them out of office for another three years”

      Your observations about Abbott are only plain to see for people that don’t have their heads stuck in quicksand. Leave it be and they will find out how right you are.

    • Seano says:

      03:12pm | 09/04/11

      I was right at the election champ! Abbott couldnt get across the line in what should have been a walk following Labor’s self destruction. Perhaps you need to look at the polls where Abbott has been consistently unpopular. There is literally a vote bonaza for the LNP if they put up a leader with some positive ideas.

    • Freeman says:

      04:26pm | 09/04/11

      Mags, Joan, denny, Super D

      You’re wasting your time. Seano’s view of politics is based on nonesense. you should have seen his piece where he used the perceptions of his year six students to explain that Labor would not get wiped out in the recent state election. He argues that the libs would be better under Turnbull despite the fact turnbull was allowing Rudd to waltz toward victory. at least Abbott saw the end of Rudd and made the election a contest. based on recent polling he could even get over the line next time.

      Now all Abbott has to do is stand back and take the Barry O’Farrell approach of standing back and watching Labor embarress themselves back into opposition

    • TimB says:

      04:45pm | 09/04/11

      You wern’t right Seano. I have yet to see you be right. I love how you claim Abbott is so *deeply* unpopular, yet he went within a whisker of knocking off Gillard. So what does that say of your beloved ALP? Only slighty more popular than “very unpopular”? What a ringing endorsement.

      And now Abbott’s support is even better than it was at election time, meanwhile Gillard’s is crashing. And still you think Abbott is the liability. Logic really isn’t your strong point is it?

      It’s all about belief with you. Too bad that what you believe doesn’t reflect reality. But then I’ve told you this before. You were too arrogant to listen then and I doubt you’ll be smart enough to listen now. By all means though, continue to embarras yourself.

      I’ll be here waiting to point out how stupid you look.

    • Brad Coward says:

      05:24pm | 09/04/11

      Nobody hates better than Seano hates !  Remember the blood pressure, old fellow.  Remember the blood pressure.

      Each time I read one of Seano’s comments I’m reminded of the old adage about those you hate truly owing you, or something along those lines.  Seano, the LNP owns you.

    • Rosie says:

      05:58pm | 09/04/11

      Poor Seano and the likes of him are trapped from not only Gillard’s strange bedfellows but her lack of credibility!

      It is proving to be very interesting how supposedly “smart people” like Seano have taken themselves to this level of entrapment!

      The pshaw is so obvious with people like Seano trying deperately to change the mindset of those of us that are smart enough to know of an incompetent Govt lead by an unscrupulous PM when we see one. It therefore becomes crystal clear that all the justification mouthed, tweeted, blogged, facebooked etc by people like Seano will be vociferous and most of all hooey! We are dealing with the most desperate and for self satisfaction will target Tony Abbott, the person that has the potential to acquire a mandate to boot out a useless Govt.

      Australia is in limbo until we get rid of this Govt, the longer we wait the more likely we will get the same result as NSW, a result that only a Labor Govt deserves!

      Have pity on the poor soul!

      For the time being have pity on the poor souls!

    • Against the Man says:

      06:19pm | 09/04/11

      Poor Seano, I feel so sorry for you. Every one seems to be making an arse of you and your points of view.

      Funny you tell me - I’ll talk to you when you have something sensible to say.

      Okay you don’t like me bad mouthing your g-friend Gillard but fail to tell me why we have such a good PM. I mean do you like her or not? If you don’t we are on the same page, if you do tell me why.

      See young child you have a lot of growing up to do and once again I have you over the barrel smile

      ps: I smell fear and desperation in your responses, you need to pick up your game champ…..........

    • Seano says:

      10:13pm | 09/04/11

      @Freeman - What I actually was saying is that it was interesting that given the unpopularity of the Labor government in NSW and given that class themselves put forward the idea that Labor had done a “bad job” the biggest issue for them was “What will Barry do”, that is that they’d bought a fairly desperate piece of propoganda and ignored bigger issues.

      From that I supposed from this because (and this might be a big complex for you) children often repeat their parents views, is that a lot of people had bought into that same idea. And therefore election wasn’t going to be as bad as the most dire predictions, which bad as it was, turned out to be true. When many were considering that Labor would be “wiped out” and lucky to get into double digits that campaign likely saved a number of seats.

      If you honestly think that Abbotts nothing but negativity approach was the down fall of Rudd you’re a deluded revisionist.

      PS. Misrepresenting what I said doesn’t actually give you an argument, at best it’s childish at worst moronic. Grow up.

      @Tiny - Drawing the picture because you’re not too bright. My argument wasn’t that Gillard is popular but that Abbott is unpopular and further that his continued unpopularity in the face of a lacklustre Labor, his lack of ideas and his lack of positivity are going cost the LNP another election. Keep on trolling.

      @Brad Coward - so your agrument in opposition to mine is to point out how Abbott is positive, popular and has presented an inspired vision for our future? Ah no you can’t do that, so instead you have to lamely claim that people who don’t think with your hive mentality are haters. A truly brilliant argument, kudos.

    • Seano says:

      11:52pm | 09/04/11

      AtM - Yet more crazy jibberish.

      Rosie - Little better than AtM.

    • TimB says:

      07:49am | 10/04/11

      And your “argument” Shauna, is based on your own stupid irrational & biased viewpoint.

      Bacause the only actual representation of Abbott’s popularity that we have is preferred PM. So if you’re dumb enough (and I can only assume you are) to use that as your basis, you have to ask yourself why the PPM rating wasn’t reflected at the election.

      You also have to ask yourself why you believe that Tony’s PPM of mid 30’s somehow makes him less popular than Turnbull who had PPM ratings that ranged from 14%-26%. Far less than Tony.

      Here’s the facts Shauna. The Coalition didn’t lose the last election because of Tony. Rather the Coalition got as close as they did to winning BECAUSE of Tony. Turnbull wouldn’t have got anywhere near that result. He would have lost spectacularly. Anyone with even half a brain knows that.

      But if you want to let your personal hatred blind you from using facts and logic in your argument, go right ahead. We know it would kill you to actually give Abbott credit for anything.

      Like I said, I’ll be here to enjoy your misery when Tony eventually becomes PM.

    • acotrel says:

      08:28am | 10/04/11

      @ Green Eyes
      ‘“Abbott’s negativity and deservedly earned unpopularity will be the millstone that keeps them out of office for another three years”

      Your observations about Abbott are only plain to see for people that don’t have their heads stuck in quicksand. Leave it be and they will find out how right you are.’

      AND IN THE MEAN TIME, WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF US?

    • Seano says:

      09:27am | 10/04/11

      @Tiny Timmy… “Shauna” Bwhahaha…they say immitation is a form of flattery little Timmy, obviously I’m getting to you as evidenced by your ripping of my schtick. WIN!

      Oh and well done you for finally attempting (lamely of course) to actually argue a point rather than just play the man (but only with the support of the troll super friends be we are so very brave).

      Unfortunately you fail as usual. Tony Abbott won nothing at the last election, close is not a win no matter how wet with excitement it made you. He should have walked it but he failed, he should have been able to negotiate a minority government but he failed because he has the personality and diplomatic skills of a rabid pig dog.

      You supporters of One Nation Lite as the LNP have become under Abbott wont be enjoying any time in the lodge because Abbott is deservedly unpopular (spin it how you like), has not offered a vision for the future and those people who will make the diference come the next election will weigh those things, up look at Abbott’s tactic of constant negativity and they will vote accordingly. It’ll be close but no cigar again.

      Putting up a decent human being with some positive ideas for our future as alternative PM would likely get them home but with the right wing troll squad out inforce cheering One Nation Lite they wont be smart enough to do that. Suits me.

      “Shauna” LMAO..thanks again for the compliment Tiny. lol

    • Freeman says:

      09:43am | 10/04/11

      ah, Seano AGAIN claiming to be taken out of context. Seems to happen alot eh?

      I don’t need to misrepresent your astute political analysis in order
      to make you look the fool, it can still be found in it’s original form…

      “Today I asked a year 6 class who they would vote for. They overwhelmingly said the Greens, Labor and then Liberal. We then listed on the board as a class all the reasons they could think to vote for each party. Even after highlighting the “Labor has done a bad job” point was the main reason I was probably voting LNP this time round the best the Libs could do was second (so much for my influence). Although interestingly on the second vote it was Labor, Liberal, Greens.

      I do think Labor attacking the LNP over the issue of Barry keeping his cards to his chest has paid off for them, it was the first point the kids raised. Based on that I think the loss wont be as bad as predicted for Labor.”

      Sooooooo, based on this exercise YOU conducted with 11 year olds you concluded that the inevitable defeat “wont be as bad as predicted for Labor.”?

      Priceless

      the polls and predictions for Labor was a 17% swing against and to win between 14-20 seats which is destruction really. the predictions were spot on. no-one was surprised by the result.

      do you still claim to be right?

      I already know the answer to that, but your refusals to admitt when you’re wrong are always good value.

    • acotrel says:

      10:07am | 10/04/11

      @mags I hope he gets his appendage tangled in the chain!

    • Seano says:

      10:20am | 10/04/11

      @Freeman Wow…thanks for demonstrating that what I said was what I said. Brilliant. That it was interesting that the “What would Barry do?” ads had struck a cord despite even 11 yr olds knowing Labor had done a bad job.

      And of course when I was talking about Labor not doing as badly as predicted I was talking about the various pundits who said Labor was going to get completely wiped out and would lucky hit double figures. As was said on the night it could have been a lot worse.

      But hey if misrepresenting what I said over a fairly minor point makes you feel important then you go girl. I’m just touched that I make such a difference to some right wing ranters that they go to such lengths try to catch me out over something so trivial.

      Better luck next time hey champ.


      Thanks for also taking a fairly minor comment based around something I found interesting, that despite their bad performance Labor’s “What will Barry do?”

    • TimB says:

      11:24am | 10/04/11

      Oh so many words Seano. But unfortunately, no facts or indeed anything resembling any actual substance and logic. Just more baseless opinion and “playing the man” as you put it. No actual refutation of my argument at all.

      Oh and more of your legendary ego, claiming I “stole your schtick”. lol.

      Personally,  I would classify calling you a girls name as Dr Cox’s “schtick” (if anyone’s). But you seem to be labouring under the delusion that you’re so incredibly and brilliantly original that you were the first person anywhere to insult someone *ever*.

      But, because I’m nothing if not a kind and generous human being, I’ll let you have it. Cherish it Seano. Guard it with your life. Like a retarded man-child, clinging desperately to his favourite toy in the mistaken belief that everyone wishes to take it from him.

      Oh and what were you saying before the election? That Tony Abbott was unelectable? Now you’re trying to say he should have romped it home in the election? Does constantly tripping over your own contradictions bruise your ginormous ego? Must be painful.

      Luckily, the constant embarrassment that you suffer simply for being you translates in to hilarious entertainment for me. Keep it coming Seano by all means.

    • Seano says:

      01:01pm | 10/04/11

      Personally I always thought Tim was a girl’s name. Keep mimicking me it’s cute.

    • Freeman says:

      01:16pm | 10/04/11

      I agree Seano.

      it is both tedious and trivial. Somehow, I just can’t help myself. I take delight in pointing out such stupidity and now you can’t help but try to defend it. the best thing about you Seano is that you cannot ignore our jibes, returning again and again, twisting and turning and trying to change your position. it will be a sad day for many of us if you ever admit you’re wrong.

      perhaps some people did suggest Labor would win less than 10 seat. If so, I don’t know who they were and that certainly wasn’t the consensus. Broad opinion gave a swing of 17% against Labor and between 14-20 seats which was spot on. I wouldn’t bother arguing the point with anyone else but you are guaranteed to entertain such a pointless stoush to the death which amuses me.

      perhaps the funniest thing about it all is that you felt the need to conduct such a quaint experiment on these kids and then share the results with punch readers.

      I particularly like the bit where you say “the “What would Barry do?” ads had struck a cord despite even 11 yr olds knowing Labor had done a bad job”


      “struck a chord” LOL, you are asking 11 year olds for their thoughts on Labor V Lib and in return they’ve offered up what they saw on political adverts the night before as an answer.

      For a year 6 teacher you don’t seem to understand a childs mind very well.

    • Seano says:

      01:33pm | 10/04/11

      @Freeman -  funny how you spend so much time researching and writing about what a fairly innocous comment about the power of scare campaigns, I must really rock your world.

      “perhaps the funniest thing about it all is that you felt the need to conduct such a quaint experiment on these kids and then share the results with punch readers. “

      We had a last minute event cancelation and the election was the next day. It was a topical issue not an experiment, if you’re going to make your nasty little comments I suggest you stick to things you know about as limiting as that must be.

    • Ryan says:

      03:36pm | 10/04/11

      @Seano: the fact that you are a teacher explained everything, never been able to commit to anything substantial, never been able to get a real job and be a part of mainstream society, forever stuck in your high school infantile world. Keep at it though, it brings much amusement to us all, it does take all types and you make a great court jester.

    • Freeman says:

      04:32pm | 10/04/11

      “@Freeman -  funny how you spend so much time researching and writing about what a fairly innocous comment about the power of scare campaigns, I must really rock your world”

      You know it, Bud. If anyone else had written that crap I wouldn’t have read past the 1st paragraph. I quickly recognised the piece as one of the rare times you offer something other than hate, sarcasm or insults to punch readers, too bad it turned out to be of little value.

      To dual with Seano on “the punch” is to engage in childish squabbling.
      No doubt you hone your skills on your students who are dazzled by such whit, but in the adult world it’s kind of silly. Still, you have earned yourself a small group of followers at the punch who never tire of your antics. that self rightousness & stubborness, your lame ass insults, the hate you have for anything conservative, it just keeps us coming back.

      but you shouldn’t get too carried away with the popularity you’ve found here, I’d imagine your pompous ass nature must be a drag for those who have to deal to you on a daily basis.

    • TimB says:

      06:07pm | 10/04/11

      “Personally I always thought Tim was a girl’s name”

      And the winner for lamest comeback on The Punch goes to Seano.

      Congratulations!

    • Against the Man says:

      06:07pm | 10/04/11

      Look guys, it is fun making Seano look like a fool. The best part is he doesn’t realise it.

      A teacher huh? Interesting.  One would have not expected you to have that high a level of education.

    • Seano says:

      07:10pm | 10/04/11

      @Ryan - I know when it comes to the right wing morons who police this blog I know you’re special, but this ...even I’m impressed.

      “the fact that you are a teacher explained everything, never been able to commit to anything substantial, never been able to get a real job and be a part of mainstream society”

      Teaching children isn’t committing to anything substantial in your world? How sad are you? And what a sad place if low lifes like you had any more say than ranting spite on a blog. Just FYI before retraining as a teacher by choice I had an highly successful career that gave me opportunities to travel the globe and of course make bucket loads of cash. But then you know what happens when you assume? You just look like another right wing moron.

      @Freeman - so we’re in agreement. You’re yet another self important, self appointed right wing cyber bully policing this blog for those who can articulate their own ideas that scare them. How brave, what a hero.

    • Seano says:

      10:27pm | 10/04/11

      How amusing that the right wing troll squad have in their considerable efforts to police this blog largely not bothered to try to challenge my contention that Abbott’s unpopularity, negativity and lack of vision are a millstone around the neck of the LNP.

      Instead we’ve had personal attacks, bile, spite, ranting, people challenging arguments I didn’t make and misrepresenting in intent and importance arguments I did make on topics completely unrelated.

      How strong must be your convictions that one bloke with a differing view can generate so much pointless and bitter vitriol. The funny thing is you lot call those who disagree with you “haters”. My work here is done. WIN!

      You can rant on on your own now trolls.

    • TimB says:

      06:34am | 11/04/11

      You’re a liar Seano. I did challenge it, and challenged it successfully. Your “logic” is flawed as usual.

      Instead, YOU ignored the argument, and went into the personal attacks and bile mode that you so claim to despise.

      Another classic example of Seano’s utter hypocricy.

      Thanks for the win, chump.

    • Against the Man says:

      06:40am | 11/04/11

      Oh dear poor Seano, thinks he wins? And he calls me insane? Well I would say he needs some help but thanks to his idol Roxon, mental health funding has been cut to 6%, Zing, got in another valid point smile

      Reference:
      “We need government to find new resources to bring the mental health proportion of health budget, currently sinking from 8%  to 6%, up to 13%, closer to the proportion of health burden due to mental ill-health, as most other developed countries have done.”
      Professor Alan Rosen holds positions with the Brain & Mind Research Institute, University of Sydney, and School of Public Health, University of Wollongong

      You win Seano, winkwink, hope that makes your day smile

    • Ryan says:

      09:41am | 11/04/11

      @Seano: nope nothing still entertained though.

    • Freeman says:

      09:46am | 11/04/11

      “@Freeman - so we’re in agreement. You’re yet another self important, self appointed right wing cyber bully policing this blog for those who can articulate their own ideas that scare them. How brave, what a hero.”

      Oh Seano, where does one start? such hypocrisy. I can’t beleive the statement above came from yourself who routinley leaves snarky little pointless cheap shots against the well thought out comments of others. So when you get a taste of your of medicine you claim to be “bullied” by “self appointed police”.

      Scared by those who can articulate their ideas? LAUGH. Seriously, I have never seen you post a well structured, well thought out criticism of anything. the pointless sentence that started this thread is typical of your “ideas”. Really, what value do you think this adds? you think your thoughts challenge and scare us?? oh. I don’t know what to say.

      I don’t bully and I’m rarely the first to trade insults. every now and again
      one comes across a D@#$ head that just needs to be told.

      Regarding Abbott, the leader of the Liberal party is never popular. Who was the last liberal leader to have a high approval rating and popularity? whoever the leader is, he’s the guy the lefties love to hate, and that’s where you come in. Personally I’m looking forward to seeing Hockey, Pyne and one day Greg Hunt lead the libs (and when they do, their approval ratings will also be low)  but Abbott has earned his position and deserves to be there, He might ever be PM one day smile

    • Seano says:

      10:18am | 11/04/11

      Unfortunately I still had this thread open this morning or fortunately considering the silliness of the responses to my last comment.

      @AtM - well done on demonstrating my point regarding challenging arguments I haven’t made.

      @Tiny Timmy:

      “You’re a liar Seano. I did challenge it, and challenged it successfully.”

      Here’s your first comment verbatim:

      “I I bet he does know that Mags. He just doesn’t care.

      Seano’s own irrational dislike of Tony Abbott is more than enough to condemn him no matter what good Tony actually does.”

      There’s no challenge to my argument that Abbott is unpopular, negative and lacking there. No your FIRST priority is to launch a personal attack and to claim that any opinion on Abbott that YOU don’t agree with is merely “irrational” hate.

      And who could fail to miss the childishness of this on a completely unrelated thread:
      “think I’ll go read Seano’s whiny posts and have another chuckle.”

      Puerile.

      You’re yet another self-important, self-appointed, infantile, none too bright right wing cyber bully policing this blog with nothing to contribute.

      So yes definitely WIN!

      Now I’m making a point of closing the thread, WIN! intact.

    • TimB says:

      11:22am | 11/04/11

      Nice try Seano. But of course your selective arguments will only take you so far. Ignoring my other posts? You know the ones that rip your “Tony is unpopular” argument apart?

      You don’t nearly win an election if you’re “deeply unpopular”. And you sure as hell don’t have a better chance of winning it by installing an oppoosition leader (Turnbull) who had even worse popularity ratings during his tenure.

      Your argument is wrong, illogical, and based purely off the blind hatred you have for Tony Abbott. There’s isn’t a skerrick of intelligent thought in it.

      You can pretend otherwise all you like. You can continue to run and hide like a cowardly child (‘This argument is over because I say so!’). Facts will not change. You remain wrong. You will always remain wrong. And observers will see that no matter how much you try and delude yourself.

      And I will be here laughing at your constant embarrasment every step of the way.

    • hermes says:

      02:38pm | 11/04/11

      Seano = Persephone = Labor apologist

    • Seano says:

      03:37pm | 11/04/11

      @Little Timmy - so you admit you only lowered yourself to contributing to the conversation after your initial irrelevant personal attack. You’re not even smart enough to be a good troll and certainly not brave enough if you have to hide behind your lame after the fact arguments.

      @Hermes - another conservative who fails basic comprehension I can only assume. 1. I voted LNP in the NSW state election as I am on record as saying I would. 2. Being an ardent critic of the woeful Tony Abbott and the various conservative trolls that attempt to police this blog doesn’t exactly make me an apologist for anyone. Show me otherwise. Another genius playing the man instead of the ball. You conservatives must have wonderfully strong convictions if that’s the best you’ve got.

    • John A Neve says:

      08:21am | 09/04/11

      I find it sad that in a political scene where no one seems to tell the truth. When a politician appears to be correcting the record he is denigrated for his efforts!

      Either Rudd or Gillard is lying, if it’s Rudd it is now up to the PM to set the record straight, but she wont.  Just how much lower can politics go in this country?

    • Hutcho says:

      10:26am | 09/04/11

      Seriously who cares but rabid political fanboys and journalists looking for a story - any story.

      Not on the radar for most people.

    • Phil says:

      10:30am | 09/04/11

      John the problem is I doubt that Rudd is lying. As terrible as he was, and in my opinion he was bad, M/s Gillard is proving that Gough was in fact a genius and Kevin was awesome.
      What really pisses me off about Julia is her laugh when pressed with difficult questions. Its almost as bad as Kevin’s “And do you know what” style of press conference Q & A for one.
      No doubt Kevin wants her out, at this point I dount know who he thinks will get the job, my money is that Julia wont last 3 months, particularly if the polls keep going south, and with a tough budget that is likely.

    • Steve says:

      12:23pm | 09/04/11

      John A Neve. Abbott told ther truth when he said he didn’t always tell the truth. Whilst some people respected his honesty the was a net loss of credibility. He will be dogged with his honesty for the rest of his political career. We get the polititions we deserve. Those that tell the truth will weaken their reelection chances. You could argue that we want and expect to be lied to. Howard won an election on the back of the children overboard. By polling day most people could smell a rat but the ends justified the means. ” I am prepared to accept this lie because just turn back one boat and they will stop the rest” People who wanted to stop the boats put up with the lie. People who want a carbon tax have forgiven Gillards backflip. The policy outcome outwieighs the lie. Your next vote is decided by whether you liked the policy or not not whether the politition told a lie or not.

    • Bruce says:

      05:41pm | 09/04/11

      If Rudd is lying, he has everything the to loose, if he is telling the truth he has everything to gain. Juliar has been caught out again. The sound of deafening silence is very loud !!

    • G. JANSON says:

      08:30am | 09/04/11

      Rudd was backstabbed by Gillard and Swan. She now parades around like the saviour of the Earth, telling the Nation she is going to do something about urgent action that is needed on climate change, dangerous climate change.  She spew’s out lies with ease as if it’s totally acceptable for a Prime Minister. She’s a joke, she’s a liar, she’s deceiving, she’s fake and she’s two faced. I doubt Kevin Rudd even wants to be Prime Minister again, he wants the voters to know who the REAL Julia Gillard is. Whether he should say or not say is not the point for him, as long as we all know what he knows to set the record straight. Fair enough Rudd go for it I say. I want to know who the REAL Julia Gillard is to. Thanks again Kev, keep it coming, Australians deserve to know the truth.

    • hermes says:

      04:12pm | 09/04/11

      Totally agree. If I were Kevin (who is much much much much cleverer than Julia and Wayne put together), I’d be doing exactly the same thing. Jullia Gillard is a nothing person, who stands for nothing. I’ve an idea; it might be a bit odd; but what if we got the PEOPLE to vote for the next PM, instead of the caucus. You know, sort of like, what’s that thing? Oh yes. Democracy.

    • Super D says:

      08:31am | 09/04/11

      What the NSW election demonstrated is that voters don’t reward a failed Government’s ability to hang on.  It would actually be better for the federal ALP to take their electoral medicine sooner rather than later.  It’s delusional for anyone to think Gillard can win another election.  She’s already demonstrated to the electorate that she can’t be trusted.  She’s already given the Coalition all the footage they need.

    • John Taylor says:

      08:48am | 09/04/11

      Unemployment is falling,‘interest rates
      and inflation are stable, infrastructure projects are being created and the defecit is shrinking and heading for surplus. Our national debt is one of the lowest in the world and savings are growing exponentially. Yes folks this is surely the worst government on record and the country is going down the toilet. If only we didn’t make it through the GFC we would be in a much better state - wouldn’t we?

    • William F Buckley says:

      10:30am | 09/04/11

      We didn’t elect a conservative government, so we’ll never know what would have happened if we did nothing.
      I suspect we’d be in real strife

    • Felipe says:

      10:52am | 09/04/11

      You must admit John that this PM told everybody that Rudd’s government which included her “lost its way” an admission that a Labor government is not a safe pair of hands.  And that she now continues to struggle with policies that she re-wrote herself, e.g. Asylum, Fair Work and the great big new carbon tax.  Never has a PM been in so much strife with ordinary people and businesses.  Did you watch Lateline last night where this PM is labeled by businesses as weak.  As far as your attributes to this government of low employment, etc.  many of you,  labor supporters did not credit John Howard with his excellent economic handling of this nations finances you were telling us that Howard was just lucky because of the mining boom.  Well,  there’s your answer to your above statements the same excuse you used in Howard’ s case, the mining boom.  Lastly, you mentioned savings growing,  Can you point me to that fact please!!!!

    • Chris L says:

      11:41am | 09/04/11

      That’s a good point John. According to the conservatives Australia is sinking into the ocean, but really things are going quite well. If the worst they have to complain about is a He Said - She Said situation I think we’re cruising.

    • Aussie says:

      01:30pm | 09/04/11

      Exactly, John. Aussie jobless rate envy of world

      Even Tony Abbott has found something better to do than his fellow Chicken Littles. Could it really be that the sky isn’t falling ?

    • Eyes Green says:

      02:07pm | 09/04/11

      John Taylor - Where do you get such rubbish from? Wash your mouth out. I suppose you also believe we are the envy of most developed nations?

      The sky is falling, we’re all doomed, this dysfunctional government is destroying us, it should be remembered that no one can handle the economy like the LNP can, trust the LNP - sure can’t.

      What was it the LNP wanted to do, to get us through the GFC? - oh that’s right, I just remembered - NOTHING.

      What was it that Keating said about the LNP? - “you wouldn’t trust this mob with a jar full of five cent bits”

    • Brenda says:

      08:49am | 09/04/11

      Gillard during questioning: “claiming the moral high ground that she had ‘always’ believed it was necessary…” 
      Whenever Gillard claims she “always believed it was necessary”, and since Rudd has strongly implied she forced him otherwise, Gillard reinforces herself as an habitual liar. 
      Yes, Gillard is over the proverbial barrel and on that dirty disloyal night, I bet she didn’t see any of this coming. Delerious with ambition and intoxicated with the nearness of power, Gillard’s year-long campaign to de-throne Kevin Rudd were occasioned by an act of treachery so hideous it has destabilised the country, divided communities and permanently marked her as the most incompetent, distrusted Prime Minister in Labor history.
      There could not have been a more divisive choice for the first female Prime Minister.
      If Bob-Tax-Brown orders Gillard to “jump” simultaneously with a Kevin 07 order to “sit down”, it will all be over red rover.

    • Gregg says:

      08:57am | 09/04/11

      As much as Julia must loathe Rudd and has to put on the Julia act of he is part of her team, she is just making her and Labor more and more despicable with every day.
      We may be in a stalemate of Julia being unable to rein Rudd in and whilst Rudd is toying with her, the faceless men have not just lost their faces or have they for they may well realise that the low depths that Gillard and the Greens take this government to could well be not only an end of Labor for more terms of parliament the longer the circus continues but an end to their own parliamentary careers and aspirations of the same.

      The beautiful irony is that there will continue to be many dark thoughts about as one dark moment follows another and the only light they can think of is to re-impose Rudd and Rudd is astute enough to know it.
      He will probably be saviouring the outfall and happy to see it go on for a while yet so Julia consumes herself with indignation and lies to an extent that a there will come a knock on his door with a request that he returns to be PM.
      When Mark Kenny is prepared to lay it on the line about the Labor/green dysfunctionality, it is a sure sign that something could be happening soon enough.
      And then with the likes of a Seano and all there is,
      is:  ” That’s Tony Abbott all over, swapping gutter politics for nothing, he’s so very unpopular for good reason. ” you can see the morale and morals seeping into the gutters.

      The big question is whether Julia will stay on in politics or not and I suspect not and that in fact could see a byelection for her seat deciding government
      And then of course, there’re the two court jesters with supposed independent thoughts.
      How sweet it could all be.!

      Well it is already, kind of a more interesting ” days of our life ” viewing.

    • Seano says:

      10:38am | 09/04/11

      I’m not sure what the point of your boring ramble was champ. My point was simple, I’ll draw you a picture.

      Abbott is a devisive policy vaccum, he’s doing a a piss poor job and remains deservedly unpopular.  Removing Abbott is the only way the LNP can put forward a realistic alternative government.

    • Steve says:

      02:40pm | 09/04/11

      Seano, The LNP have tried a few different leaders. The one with the most popularity is Abbott. They are likely to stick with the one with most popularity in the electorate. Also the latest polls have the Lib/Nat coalition winning quite comfortably. I couldn’t see them changing leaders while in a winning position. Some people would never vote LNP and they probably really hate Abbott but the LNP is never going to get their vote. So minor hatred or rabid hatred is all the same - welded on Labor supporter taken for granted by the spin doctor.

    • Aasq says:

      02:55pm | 09/04/11

      Thanks to Tony Abbott, Steve, we were spared from a Coalition government last year. I hope they stick with him for as long as possible, even if his colleagues are even less popular.

    • Seano says:

      03:02pm | 09/04/11

      I voted LNP in the state election and other than one minor thing am happy with the energy Barry has started with. Even happier that the creep Labor elected leader will burn himself out before they have a real chance of being reelected.

      So you can pretend that disgust at Abbott and his performance is little more than hate but fact remains that the contempt the wider electorate holds for him has persisted for so long because it has been richly earned. Dissatisfaction with Labor will not translate to votes for the LNP come the election whilst ever Abbott remains in charge, on the negative and a policy vacuum.

    • Jezza says:

      04:19pm | 09/04/11

      The ramblings from Abbott haters comes from all ALP supporters because he is exposing Gillard and the ALP and it shows in the polls. The better job he does of that the louder they scream about him. As for Abbott being behind Gillard n the popularity stakes, that is usually the case for an opposition Leader against a sitting Prime Minister, They are desperate for a return of Turnbull so the polls will return to where they were when Turnbull was leader, in the wilderness.  It has to make you laugh.  Suck it up kids, cause Abbott ain’t going nowhere but to the Lodge. 10/10 for Tony Abbott, he’s doing a terrirfic job. ALP supporters comments prove this as do the polls.

    • Aasq says:

      05:40pm | 09/04/11

      That’s great news, Jezza. I continue to hope that they stick with Abbott for as long as possible.

    • Steve says:

      06:01pm | 09/04/11

      Aasq. Are you suggesting that another leader would have won the 2010 election for the LNP? All polling figures strongly suggest you are wrong.
      Who would this leader have been?

    • Seano says:

      09:52pm | 09/04/11

      Even with Labor struggling in the polls Abbott remains extremely unpopular. He is the millstone around the neck of the LNP federally. Whilst ever the LNP strive to be One Nation Lite then I agree with Aasq long may Abbott reign because they cannot win an election with him in charge.

    • Aasq says:

      12:24am | 10/04/11

      No, Steve. I don’t care who the Coalition lost with as their leader. Who would you suggest ?

    • The Galah from Hervey Bay says:

      09:14am | 09/04/11

      Look , maybe i’m wrong but does anyone else get the impression that Gillard simply is not capable of being a Prime Minister. ?
      More and more she has demonstrated that she lacks political nous , team leadership and vision.
      It is easy to come to a reasoning of Gillard having sullied the high office of Prime Minister.
      Surely the A.L.P. can see the irreparable damage being done , not only to Labor , but most concerningly to the country - socially , economically and productively , leaving the nation internationally bereft of respect.
      Not only has the government lost it’s way   -  Gillard , our Prime Minister , is adrift in a sea of her own fantasy . We are in strife.

    • MargD says:

      10:30am | 09/04/11

      Your comments are spot on Galah, it’s all about Gillard not the country.  I have always had respect for the office of Prime Minister regardless of who was was in power at the time but I have no respect for the current PM who in my opinion is the worst this country has ever seen. She is rude, inarticulate and has a vicious tongue which I liken to the likes of that foul mouthed Keating. The sooner we get rid of her the better.

    • Silly Galah has lost its way says:

      10:34am | 09/04/11

      Actually you are in strife, because you appear to live in a parallel universe where things seem to be the opposite of what they are.
      see John Taylor’s previous comment for the real situation.

    • Reginald says:

      10:59am | 09/04/11

      She either fell into the job or she was pushed into the job of Prime Minister by a desperate Labor Government on the nose. That is why she doesn’t have the goods to be Prime Minister. Another dumb move by Labor again. We have a novice, an amateur, a learner and a liar at the helm of the highest office in the land. It’s a disgrace and embarassing to watch.

    • james milton says:

      02:07pm | 09/04/11

      Gillard is truly an embarrassment. Her CV is full of failures, not a single success and she is the PM.. how on earth did this happen.

      Oh yeah, the country was sold out by Oakeshite and the other guy, even though they’re electorate were LNP, and they admitted as such. The Australian people will never forget the betrayal of these two turncoats.

      Gillard won’t last much longer, that’s the only silver lining on this cloud.

    • Aasq says:

      03:04pm | 09/04/11

      Becoming Prime Minister of Australia and winning a Federal election sound like successes, james. First you said the Prime Minister wouldn’t form Government, then she wouldn’t last a week, then it was a month, then it was until Xmas, and now in April, not “much longer”. You’re not very good at this, are you ?

    • The Galah from Hervey Bay says:

      06:35pm | 09/04/11

      Silly Galah :  Yes , i read John Taylor’s comment , seems both of you are deluding yourselves.
      The only reason Australia came through the GFC unscathed , was that the Howard/Costello government left the budget in surplus and the economy in a boom.  Interest rates are currently on hold but expected to increase along with the rise in inflation .
      Unemployment has been drifting around 5% since Labor gained office.
      To claim employment success on the back of .1 of 1% increase is laughable.
      The N.S.W. election made clear what the electorate thinks of independents supporting a Labor rump/Green left wing loonies in the federal sphere.

    • Zafa says:

      08:20pm | 09/04/11

      Yes yes and yes.

    • Rudd for UN secretary general says:

      09:17am | 09/04/11

      Rudd was treated appallingly and deserves to watch his betrayers squirm. He will give them a few turns on the rotisserie from time to time lest they forget who wears the pants. The public has a sentimental affection for old Krudd and would spank labor in a bielection held after his departure.

    • Steve says:

      05:34pm | 09/04/11

      I am a liberal supporter but with both eyes open I doubt that Rudd would have won the last election. The timing of Gillard replacing Rudd was perfect. ” I have come to salvage a good government that has lost it’s way” The upsurge in the polls lasted just long enough to hang on to a hung parliament which was better for ALP than outright loss. No doubt Rudd finds it appalling but you have to say that the strategy actually worked. As a liberal supporter I was very confident of a Rudd defeat but far less confident of a Gillard defeat. A desperate strategy and one you can’t get away with too often but it worked and for that it has my grudging admiration.

    • Bleary says:

      06:35pm | 09/04/11

      Steve is right on the money here,they were dead in the water with Rudd and they knew it.It was a calculated risk and worked in a fashion,problem is that the wheels are starting to really fall off now.
      Personally I cringe everytime Gillard comes on TV,she just does not have “it” and in my opinion is an international embarresment(and a bald faced liar)

    • Holly says:

      09:27am | 09/04/11

      I can’t for the life of me understand the total obsession with Rudd this week following his “performance” on Q and A.  I have thought for some weeks that he might be on medication, but perhaps his over the top garrulousness and bonhomie is just part of his regular persona when he is up, or perhaps when he is being applauded, or perhaps he just craves adulation.  Tony Jones performance in egging him on was cringeworthy.  However Rudd is not a “performer” he is our foreign minister. The media obsession with his titillating, but I thought somewhat childish comments is quite weird.  It proved a distraction when quite a lot of more important things were happening.  In the circumstances, Julia Gillard just seemed to be getting on with the job despite Ulman’s continued efforts to put words into her mouth during the 7.30 report interview.  What is it with media interviewers that they have to ask a question framed in perjoratives and interrupt incessantly when the interviewee attempts to answer, or if the answer doesn’t seem to be compliant with the interviewers interpretation?  Fran Kelly is another prime example of this annoying trait.

    • Sickemrex says:

      11:25am | 09/04/11

      I think it was because Gillard wouldn’t answer the bloody question!

    • Phil says:

      11:57am | 09/04/11

      Authorised and written by Holly for the ALP Canberra

      Your kidding right. Even TChong, Acotrel, Christian Real and The Badger would see Gillard as trying to make moves that clearly her ability does not allow.

      She is clearly out of her depth. Problem is the shelves are quite lean in labors ranks for who will take over the reigns.

    • AdamC says:

      10:13pm | 09/04/11

      “I can’t for the life of me understand the total obsession with Rudd this week following his “performance” on Q and A.”

      Then perhaps you should log onto iView and watch it again. 

      I’ll give you something of a hint. It has to do with Joo-Liar announcing a carbon tax/ETS after having convinced Kruddy to ditch the idea himself. The rest, I leave up to you!

    • stevie p says:

      09:35am | 09/04/11

      My God - you stagger me with those stats from Kingston prior to the election. Then local candidates have little influence on outcomes anymore for a quite niave, ill-informed and often poorly prepared member like Amanda Rishworth could never command figures like that off her own bat.

    • Malleeringneck says:

      10:21am | 09/04/11

      The women who were polled in Kingston and then most probably voted Labor must have very shallow reasoning if they voted for Labor because Gillard is a woman and once went to School in SA, as was reported at the time of the election.
      Surely policy etc are a more important issue on which to base a decision..

    • Mallard says:

      10:40am | 09/04/11

      Yes,
      Either shallow reasoning rt they noticed that she was running against Tony Abbott.
      The fact that Abbott might have been PM would be enough to turn off any reasonable voter.
      The conservatives need to lift their game and they can start by dumping Abbott and the rest of the Howard era miscreants.

    • Steve says:

      12:50pm | 09/04/11

      Queenslanders would support a party headed by a trained monkey if that trained monkey was a Queeenslaaaander. How many people voted for Obama because he is “African American” We lost a great PM prospect in Costello because when he smiled it looked like a smirk. Despite his policy platform that smile/smirk kept his popularity perennially low. Christopher Pine has potential but was recently voted the most annoying person in parliament. Just as ridiculas is judging Gillard by her hair colour or figure. JFK won a pivitol TV debate because he used makeup. Nixon looked sweaty and shifty because he didn’t wear makeup. Whilst it would be great to have the policies at the forefront Style will quite often beat substance.

    • Steve says:

      02:13pm | 09/04/11

      Mallard. The problem with your logic is that Abbot’s popularity is higher than his predecessors. Yes he has shifted the party to the right which means that the left hates him more than Turnbill. That hate still only gets to vote once. Those that would have preferred Turnbill or Hockey over Abbott but would never vote Libereal irrespective of leader don’t shape the party thinking. For the traditional consevatives a shift to the right is more palatable than the extreme left of a Labor/Greens coalition.
      Also Abbott lead the party to the last election in which a first term government lost their majority. Like him or hate him that is called getting results. I would prefer Rudd to Gillard but I still wouldn’t vote for Rudd so my opinion is irrelevant to the Labor party and their supporters.

    • Mallard says:

      02:31pm | 10/04/11

      No problem with my logic
      Both Rudd and Gillard score higher a preferred PM that Abbott does.
      Suck on that for while.

    • Steve says:

      04:37pm | 11/04/11

      Mallard. I sucked on your comment but got nothing out of it. You suggested that “the conservatives should get their act together by dumping Abbot” If you are going to dump someone you need a replacement. The popularity ratings of Gillard and Rudd won’t have any influence on who the Liberals choose as their leader. They will have a leader from the Liberal party not the ALP. The most recent polls have the coalition in an election winning position. I couldn’t see them changing leaders while in a winning position. Preferred PM and which party you intend to vote for at the next election are 2 seperate polls. Yes Gillard and Rudd have the edge over Abbott in preferred PM but on a 2 party preferrred basis the coalition, lead by Abbott, would win the election based on the most recent polls. The Libs think they are on a winner and logically that thinking can’t be faulted.

    • Ron E Coote says:

      11:14am | 09/04/11

      To implicate Rudd, as the main threat to Gillard pretty much ignores everything Gillard has done to herself, beginning with pulling out of the garbage bin the very policy she told Rudd to turf out, and pretend she’d in fact been it’s champion all along…
      If she’s got on with actually delivering on a few things all of the fuss would have died down by now, but Gillard is her own rolling national incompetence emergency. Truly, a force to be rockoned with when it comes to expectant policy failure, and the awful, grinding delivery of mindless platitudes.
      Someone should come to their senses, and put her (and by virtue of that, us) out of her misery. Labor is breaking new ground as far as laughing stocks go, and the executive need only look at NSW and VIC to see what has happened there, for a taste of what is to come federally should things continue on as they do now.

    • Steve says:

      01:22pm | 09/04/11

      The electorate is very forgiving. The last 6 months before the next election will count for more than the present debacle. It took 16 years to effect a change in NSW. In the UK after 13 years of fiscal mismanagement the labour party ran on a platform of “We created this mess so we must be the ones best placed to fix it” They were nearly able to cobble together a coalition. In Australia this is the worst Government since Whitlam. We even gave whitlam a second chance at the polls.

    • Ben81 says:

      11:53am | 09/04/11

      Everyone else is digging into the government with the obvious observations and rightly so, but because i’ve woken up in a good mood for some reason (I think because I realised it’s Saturday) i’ll just say that at this stage she could be dealing with a lot worse.
      Rudd isn’t the only one who could hold her ‘over a barrel’ at the moment under the current situation without fear of any real recourse, so I suppose you could say that at least most of them aren’t vindictive undiciplined opportunists.  Whether or not that’s what happened between her and the Greens over the carbon tax is another story.
      On the other hand it would be nice to have a few more Labor MP’s taking the opportunity to break the usual code of silence with ideas and opinions they hold without undermining discipline and the party line when it comes to the core issues.
      So I think what i’m trying to say is bugger the sideshow, it’s not as if there’s a lack of other more pressing things that deserve attention right now over some party political drama.  It would be nice if some people could apply that attitude to the Liberal party too.

      Love the cartoon BTW.

    • Steve says:

      01:08pm | 09/04/11

      The Libs are in opposition. Wilkie has stated that his reforms of the pokies are a deal breaker. That is a barrel.  What Rudd is doing is a very serious “party political drama” indeed. The strong inference is that Gillard caused the ETS to be dropped. Then instead of accepting responsinility for the party’s subsequent decline in the polls she took Rudd’s job. Rudd is after revenge. Also no sitting first term prime minister has ever been denied the chance of a second term. Unless he establishes a history and legacy he will over the longer term be remebered for that sacking. The sacking will be his legacy. Who cares what the policies were in 1933 when we had the last one term Government. The legacy of that Labor party is they were the only one term government since federation. In 80 years people might say “This hasn’t happened since Rudd in 2010”

    • Ben81 says:

      02:11pm | 09/04/11

      Yes Steve I didn’t mention the Independents but I don’t see that as the same thing, it was expected right from the start, that’s just holding the government to agreements that were set in stone in exchange for support as far as they were concerned after the election.
      On other issues they can choose to vote however they want, but doing something like threatening to withdraw support over something other than what was agreed would be opportunism.

      And agreed re. the rest, don’t have to convince me about any of that.

    • Steve says:

      03:24pm | 09/04/11

      Ben 81. What if Wilkie’s deal breaker is not acceptable to Windsor and Oakshot? Both of them have acknowledged that clubs are part of the fabric of the communities in ther electorates. Pokie regulation is probably a good thing but if it is effective clubs will probably close. I can only imagine the lobbying that is taking place to Windsor and Oakshot. If they can compromise something out of this then they will probably survive the whole 3 years. You are right of course that being put over a barrel from within the party is quite different. You know I have tried to put myself in Rudd’s shoes and have to admit I would probably be doing the same thing. Perhaps the only thing I would do differently is try to hide how much fun I was having!

    • sir ronald bradnam says:

      12:39pm | 09/04/11

      John Howard, Queen Elizabeth, and Vladimir Putin all die and go to hell.
      While there, they spy a red phone and ask what the phone is for. The devil tells them it is for calling back to Earth.
      Putin asks to call Russia and talks for 5 minutes. When he is finished the devil informs him that the cost is a million dollars, so Putin writes him a cheque.
      Next Queen Elizabeth calls England and talks for 30 minutes. When she is finished the devil informs her that the cost is 6 million dollars, so she writes him a cheque.
      Finally John Howard gets his turn and talks for 4 hours. When he is finished the devil informs him that the cost is $5.00.
      When Putin hears this he goes ballistic and asks the devil why Howard got to call Australia so cheaply.
      The devil smiles and replies: “Since Julia Gillard took over, the country has gone to hell, so it’s a local call.”

    • poa says:

      01:13pm | 09/04/11

      Rudd deliberately cut Gillard’s knees out from under her. Her Carbon tax is finished.
      “So you were against it when Rudd was PM, but now you are for it?” Give us a break Jooliar!
      Gillard is finished.
      And the ALP with it . They can’t keep coming up with a brand new messiah every few years The Aussie public has been sold lemons by the ALP’s media mates..they’ve had a gutfull.

    • Aussie says:

      02:03pm | 09/04/11

      That would have been funny if it weren’t so very sad.

    • Prudence says:

      02:00pm | 09/04/11

      If she had any conviction she would sack Rudd call an election and take her carbon tax to the people to decide. This minority Government is a joke as well. You also have the Prime Minister unable to assert her authority within her own cabinet, she has the Greens running her agenda and making her look like a fool, and she has the independents putting their hands out for tax payer dollars at every turn for their own electorates to save their own jobs. There is no Prime Minister in charge and no Leader of the country. It is a ridiculas situation for the country to be in. Gillard show some guts and sack Rudd now and call an election. To continue on the way things are is a soap opera and nothing is getting done. At least if she calls an election and loses she will have shown she had some conviction and save some integrity, And if she wins, well she’s a winner and hopefully we won’t finish up with a minority Government and finally the country will have a Leader in her/his own right. Call an election PLEASE.

    • Steve says:

      03:10pm | 09/04/11

      PM’s only go to the people early if they think they can win. ALP’s best bet is to tough it out and go to an election with shiny new legislation in place. If they time it right and the shiny legislation doesn’t tarnish too quickly and Rudd comes on board they could still pull it off at the next election. There are a few big ifs in that lot but a slim chance is better than none which is the chance they have if an early election was held.

    • Aasq says:

      03:28pm | 09/04/11

      In what way is “nothing getting done”, Prudence ?

    • TimB says:

      06:08pm | 09/04/11

      Lets see AASQ…

      No hospital deal. No Mining tax deal. No East Timor solution. NBN tender with massive issues. Everything that Labor say they’re going to do is “a plan”. Something that *might* happen in the future. Sometime. If we’re lucky.

      Kinda like the Epping-Parra rail link we were promised here in NSW for the last however many years by Labor.

      What’s happening *now*? Take your time AASQ.

    • Aasq says:

      12:33am | 10/04/11

      Everything, Tim.

    • TimB says:

      11:06am | 10/04/11

      Bit of a typo there AASQ. I think you meant to type “nothing”.

      Because ‘everything’, would normally come with examples. It’s only ‘nothing’ that comes with zero examples.

      There there AASQ. It’s ok to admit you lost. Again.

    • Aasq says:

      02:24pm | 10/04/11

      You think wrong, Tim, as usual.

      Good to see you still haven’t gotten over your humiliation, but as you’re still stuck in denial 8 months after the Coalition lost, that’s only to be expected. Sucks to be you.

      So, unless Prudence is one of your pseudonyms, despite her bizarre declaration, at least she apparently has more sense than to attempt to argue that something is actually nothing. Everything that is happening, is happening, and everything that isn’t, isn’t.

    • TimB says:

      06:04pm | 10/04/11

      I honestly have no idea what you’re talking about Aasq. “Everything” is happening yet you mysteriously cannot name this everything. How boring.

      I think I’ll go read Seano’s whiny posts and have another chuckle. Come back to me when you feel like going round again.

    • Aasq says:

      06:31pm | 11/04/11

      And so Tim wimps out yet again, this time using your standard I don’t know what you’re talking about excuse. In fact, it was you who came to me, by attempting to answer my question to Prudence.

    • TimB says:

      08:40pm | 11/04/11

      I answered your question AASQ. It was you who didn’t answer my counter-question. Well you tried, but it was a load of meaningless gibberish. Hence the me not knowing what the hell you’re on about.

      Any time you want to try an answer with substance, I’ll be right here.

    • Aasq says:

      09:54pm | 11/04/11

      Which part of the word everything don’t you understand ?

    • TimB says:

      10:21pm | 11/04/11

      “Everything” is a meaningless copout.

      Give me specific examples, or I assume you have nothing.

    • Aasq says:

      11:17pm | 11/04/11

      Thanks for waiting, although it’s sad you don’t have anything better to do. If that’s your definition of everything, you need a dictionary.

    • TimB says:

      06:06am | 12/04/11

      Alright AASQ, next time someone asks me what Tony Abbott’s policies are, I’m going to answer “everything”. Bet that goes down real well.

      Labor haven’t done ANYTHING. As per Prue’s original point. If they are, you could name something specific. Just one thing. I dare you.

      Stop being a disingenuous moron. If you can.

    • Aasq says:

      08:57am | 12/04/11

      Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery.

    • TimB says:

      11:32am | 12/04/11

      Yep, no answer of substance. Just like Gillard. No wonder you like her so much.

    • Fleeced says:

      02:24pm | 09/04/11

      “...nothing to do with nagging suspicions of where the alternative PM keeps his spare pair of socks.”

      Keep it classy, Mark. Keep it classy.

    • the Liberal Loafer says:

      03:27pm | 09/04/11

      very interesting but sexist.
      Sock it to me Julia Gillard.
      Male journalist hate female leaders.

    • Steve says:

      04:54pm | 09/04/11

      Rudd had a dream run in the media until the ETS pullout. I think however the opposition was dysfunctional at the time. It is no coincidence that Gillard has not been cut any slack in the media and the opposition being more effective and coherant that what Rudd enjoyed. Also by her own actions she presents as a media target. I doubt the male/female difference would impact on the way the media treat them. Gillard is lucky that at least the chaser program has wound up.

    • Deeman says:

      03:33pm | 09/04/11

      Liberal or Labor they are the biggest back stabbers in the game called politics. The back stabbing and whinging has gone on for years. Can someone tell me how many paying members there are for both the Liberal and Labor party? How many of you on here today are paid by the Liberal or Labor party. What I cant understand is we have people on both sides of politics that cant even organise a chook raffle yet we give them the power to run this country. Both the Liberal Party & Labor are crap but what the alternative do people have?

    • Steve says:

      04:21pm | 09/04/11

      I think it was Churchill who said” The Westminster system is far from perfect but it is the best system there is” Don’t look for perfection where it can’t be found.

    • Soames says:

      03:47pm | 09/04/11

      One has pondered, that if Rudd has Julia Gillard over a barrel,  what is his next move. One is deliberately expunging from one’s mind, what that tactic might be, given the heat generated by historical events.

    • Mekkors says:

      05:11pm | 09/04/11

      Soames,

      Sir,
      One must not, by one’s word of honour, not assume nefarious behaviour, by political HOG gossip, (that’s Heads of Government).  Indeed . Barrels, therefore, have no place in this topic. You owe an apology.

    • Billy says:

      03:52pm | 09/04/11

      Steve - “Queenslanders would support a party headed by a trained monkey if that trained monkey was a Queeenslaaaander”.  Absolute bollocks!  I am a Queenslander and wouldn’t vote for our Kev if your paid me.  I rest my case.

    • Steve says:

      04:44pm | 09/04/11

      My apologies to you Billy. I should have made my point clearer that I meant “queenslanders” as a state not every last individual. Despite being one of the working states Qld had a big (I say irrational) swing to Labor under Rudd in 2007. Most of that swing went back the other way under Gillard despite ALP running a campaign that if you retain ALP you will have a Queeenslaander in Swanny in Canberra. In 2007 the other ‘working sate” of WA was the only state in the country that actually had a swing to Liberal in 2007. If the same swing had occured in Qld in 2007 instead of the other way to Rudd the 2007 election would have been very close. I spent 3 years in PNG and made a lot of Queenslanders and had to watch Qld TV. Up untill that point I hadn,t realised that another state could be more parochial than WA. I was wrong of course. One day I hope WA can take that mantle back off Qld.

    • Marilyn Shepherd says:

      04:29pm | 09/04/11

      Isn’t there any real news?  He said he made a mistake.

      get over it.

      Nothing like bored PG to make a huge mountain about nothing.

    • TimB says:

      04:52pm | 09/04/11

      Not the point Marilyn, but I suspect you know that.

      The point is Gillard has been proven once and for all to be the opportunistic liar that many of us knew she was.

      ‘Committed to a carbon price’, please. Caucus minutes say otherwise Julia. What’s the next fairytale you’re going to spin us?

    • Steve says:

      05:02pm | 09/04/11

      You have got it wrong. It is Rudd who can’t get over his sacking. This is news and high drama for keen observers of politics. Nothing like a disgruntled Labor supporter to make a molehill out of a mountain.

    • Rubber Monkey says:

      01:07am | 11/04/11

      Oh TimB, your bubble has been burst!!!  A politician turns out to be an opportunistic liar.  Oh the shock and horror!!!

    • TimB says:

      06:30am | 11/04/11

      *sigh*. Another fool.

      I suppose you think it’s okay to steal elections off the back of a giant lie then. I suppose it’s also okay with you that said politician can force a useless pointless tax on people that they don’t want, whilst claiming that she was *always* comitted to doing so…even though she clearly wasn’t.

      Scale and perspective please. Understand them, if you can.

    • Interested observer says:

      04:32pm | 09/04/11

      To summarise from the point of view of one voter.
      Labor will not choose to go to an election where the polls tell them unequivocally they would lose their mandate.  Until a Labor MP retires/dies/accepts a UN posting Labor/independents/Green alliance have the majority vote in Parliament.  Ranting about early elections is a waste of breath.
      Tony Abbott is indeed electable and the personal venom directed towards him is political dirty tricks to change the leadership to somebody that is not electable.  Anybody indulging in this vitriol is not worthy of attention.
      Any Australian government will bow to pressure from the electorate to modify their decisions.  Although the media describes this as a “back flip”, it is a sign of a healthy democracy. 
      The Opposition is fulfilling its role in putting government decisions under the spotlight.  The recent campaign to review the decision to cut funding for eradication of the Asian bee was supported by Greens, Liberals and Independents.  Other policy decisions are also reversible when voters express outrage to their local members (particularly Labor, who are on a knife-edge at the moment).  Although I personally consider political lobbying as a soul destroying consumer of productive energy, there are issues on which I will express my views, as is my right as an Australian voter. 
      Finally - Punch is worth reading when the issues are analysed providing an educated discussion.  It is not worth reading when personal sniping monopolises postings.

    • Bris Jack says:

      05:43pm | 09/04/11

      His lycra-clad parade - gusset politics, where the alternative PM keeps his spare pair of socks.
      Do I suspect a small touch of jealousy.

    • Enrico says:

      07:48pm | 09/04/11

      Inept, incompetent, embarrassing - the only words one can use to describe the present Rudd/Gillard Labor Government.  The modern Labor Party is a complete disgrace, only able to appeal to lefty intellectual knobs and the brainless blue collar workers who still believe “Labor is for the workers.”

    • Aasq says:

      12:42am | 10/04/11

      That doesn’t say much for the last two Coalition Oppositions that they’ve defeated then, does it, Enrico ?

    • Enrico says:

      01:50pm | 10/04/11

      I don’t think it’s says that at all, Aasq.  More so, it tells us how stupid a good percentage of Australians are.

    • Aasq says:

      02:31pm | 10/04/11

      You should try You’re so stupid you should vote for us next time then, Enrico.

    • Enrico says:

      10:38pm | 10/04/11

      Keep dreaming, champion.  It might even be a wet dream, if you’re lucky.  You’ve just confirmed yourself as one of the aforementioned “knob or brainless” voters i described.

    • Aasq says:

      11:30am | 11/04/11

      That doesn’t say much for you whom we defeated then, does it, Enrico ?

    • Lord Boofhead says:

      09:17pm | 09/04/11

      Hmmm maybe K-Rudd should have a little chat with Harry Quick about what happens to rouge ALP MPs. Pre-selection isn’t a given in the ALP, even when you are a sitting member…

    • Lapun Pinis says:

      10:53pm | 09/04/11

      OMG!  The Headline for your article here conjures up one of the most ghastly images I could ever have imagined.    Oops!  Sorry - off to the bathroom to throw up!

    • Robert Smissen, rural SA, God's own country says:

      12:44am | 10/04/11

      Will Quentin Bryce as Her Majesty’s deputy in Oz do the right thing As Sir John Kerr did in 1975? ?

    • Govt @FauxCitizen says:

      12:54am | 10/04/11

      What a patsy Rudd is, he was the squeaky clean front man for scared shitless unions and ALP in 07 perfect for taking Howard out,  they used him up, chewd him up, and spat him out those nasty faceless men from the dark side of the grassy knoll, I reckon he knows it but loves his power trip of being a front bench minister so much more than being a rebel nobody, better not be too cocky Kev. or you might just get gunned down a second time without a soft place to land.

    • NESLIHAN KUROSAWA says:

      06:10am | 10/04/11

      Hi Mark,

      I personally know for sure that we all wanted and also expected a little bit more from the Federal Government of Australia.  We can not change the past, however we can all do something about the future.  The actual question is “how much do we all want to change for the better and in a positive way”??  I would certainly would like more mature attitude and a united front when it comes to all our Leaders and Federal Politicians.


      We do not have to go so far back in time, when we consider the fate as well as what has happened within our State Politics over time!!  All our Leaders are chosen by the Australian Public and serving the Public means just that.  I definitely would like see more trustworthy, honest and decisive actions, when it comes serious issues concerning all voters in Australia.  Not for some majority or minority but all Australians, hopefully in the near future!!  Best regards to your editors.

    • Terminator says:

      02:30pm | 10/04/11

      Hooray Hooray Kevin Rudd the terminator can give that Gillard the very same treatment she dolled out to him hey Gill ie (lethargic) ard you are moving Orstralia as you pronounce it backwards! Now Orstralai has no fewtcha as you say it ie future with you as PM so step down! Gillard resign you have no appeal as leader and all credibilty you have is blown away forever the way you shamelessly reneged on the carbon tax ! So Australians have wised up to you( latest Newspoll) so now you shoud wise up and resign pronto before you get in the neck in hopefully the same way that you axed K Rudd!  So what goes around comes around!

    • Gordicans says:

      06:04am | 11/04/11

      I don’t know what all the fuss is about.  The press making a story when the story is actually nothing.  I mean what have we got?  Rudd saying that he made a mistake, and that the cabinet was arguing. The second bit we already knew, the first bit is obvious.  So know we’ve got News Limited splashing all over the place that Rudd wants to be PM, Rudd has Gillard over a barrel, etc etc and the rest of the commentariate including the ABC taking News Limited’s lead (even the ABC commentary in the Drum said that Gillard should sack Rudd - so much for the left wing bias of the ABC).  It’s all rubbish.

      The real issue is the power elites in this country want an election so they can get rid of the two independents, hence all the fuss.  That doesn’t solve their problem though of the greens controlling the upper house.

 

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