By now, Robert Ettinger should be well and truly frozen.

Enter the human iceblock capsule

At 92, the man widely credited as the founder of the cryogenics movement had already seen the some of the best and worse of the past century.

He died on Saturday and reportedly became the 106th patient at his Michigan-based Cryonics Institute, where he joins his mother and first two wives. I genuinely hope it all works out for him and that he lives long and prospers… again.

No doubt Ettinger will one day emerge from his cryogenic slumber to a world full of sexy robots, foot-massaging carpets and toothbrushes that play dubstep.

He does, of course, face the small hurdle of figuring out in which order he’ll thaw out his first and second wife, a task that will undoubtedly be awkward in any century.

Then there is the chance that our as-yet-unborn brethren simply don’t wake him up.

Why, for instance, would the future want to resurrect frozen old dudes? What’s in it for our white-coated descendants?

They would have nothing to gain, for example, from having Mel Gibson stumble around New York circa 2078, mumbling racist things under his breath, slapping random people and telling pigeons about the time Danny Glover bet he couldn’t escape a straight jacket in the office and then he totally did.

Yes, Ettinger and all those who await warmer days, are much braver than I will ever be.

My vision of the future is one plagued by Cameron-esque images of woe. There’s no way I would risk waking up in the middle of a robot war or a decade in which shoulder pads are back in fashion.

What if all the things I’m not good at - like quilting or darts - suddenly become insanely popular?

The future has the potential to be a very nasty place, indeed.

Everyone will moan about the day Facebook became self aware and changed everybody’s interests and religious views to “punching children” so they all lost their jobs.

The tax-which-shall-not-be-named will still be furiously debated by two fiercely competitive, automated recordings that loop at half-hour intervals and steadily increase in volume until they have to be locked in a titanium box at the bottom of the ocean.

Reality will be called “television” and Big Brother will most definitely be watching - even if he is mostly watching a 57m statue of Snooki mud-wrestling seven different incarnations of Jennifer Aniston’s hair.

The sky will be a brilliant pink, or green, or whatever they decide to paint the inside of the giant concrete dome that protects Earth from the possibility of Shia LaBeouf trying to return after realising his “moon mission” was an ingenious way of permanently jettisoning him into space.

There is one thing, however, that may not be entirely unfamiliar.

People will be both happy and sad, optimistic and fearful, blessed and cursed. Their dreams and nightmares will come true, and they’ll be loved and alone.

Above all, they’ll be people. That’s what, I think, cryogenics is really all about. Robert Ettinger’s bold decision to freeze death’s cold embrace stems not just from his wonderful sense of curiosity - but his faith in people.

His kind subscribe to the idea that people will always be people. They believe that the world that awaits them will be as familiar as it will be alien. It’s a sentiment that is both comforting and terrifying.

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    • TimB says:

      07:45am | 28/07/11

      “Why, for instance, would the future want to resurrect frozen old dudes? What’s in it for our white-coated descendants?”

      What’s in it for our descendants you ask? What happens if one of the frozen just happens to be missing the Delta brain wave? He’d the universe’s only hope against flying brainspawn and the Dark Ones.

      Come on Jason. Don’t doom humanity.

    • TChong says:

      08:17am | 28/07/11

      TimB
      A sci fi fan like you would be familiar with one Phillip J Fry.

    • TimB says:

      09:50am | 28/07/11

      Uh…yes. That was the allusion.

    • Thomas Anderson says:

      10:47am | 28/07/11

      Yeah, but imagine they brought back 2pac. How awesome would that be!?

    • Anne71 says:

      05:02pm | 28/07/11

      @TimB - “It’s a lesson in Don’t Change History from Mr I’m My Own Grandfather!”

    • jay-ded says:

      08:20am | 28/07/11

      Funneee Jason.  I would want to see the teleporters.  Beam me up Scotty!

    • Mark G says:

      08:43am | 28/07/11

      A very funny article. One you missed is that if his wives were frozen earlier, would they therefore be younger? Would these younger women now want to be married to a crusty old man?

      Despite the humour you ask some interesting questions. There are so many assumptions with cryogenics. Some you have missed.

      When you are thawed (if its ever found that that is possible) will you be the same person you were. I doubt recovery from cryogenics will ever be as simple as a defibrillator. You will need to completely rebuild tissue structure. When frozen, the body is preserved but the tissue and cell structure is damaged beyond normal repair. To reanimate (to use the popular expression) would require technology that can reconstruct this cell matter. We will probably one day have this tech but what you rebuild probably will not be his original body. If you rebuild the cell matter in his brain he will not retain the memories of his previous life. They were likely lost at death and not stored in his DNA (except for basic evolutionary type memories that everyone has at birth). This poses the question ‘what’s the point?’. If you end up with nothing more than a clone of yourself then why bother? You might as well just have some of your blood stored so your DNA can be used to make a clone later. It would be a lot cheaper. We almost have the technology to do that now.

      Mankind, with such research as stem cells, may find a way to restore the human body thus preventing aging (this is stuff of sci-fi at the moment though). This will effectively make us immortal from an aging perspective (you can still die just not from old age). If this is the way our technology goes then why would we then try and research a way to get these guys out of cryogenics? Cryogenics would be an obsolete tech before the experiment was even complete. Who would conduct this research? Who would even care? If we don’t go down this path of immortality for moral or religious reasons then why would we go down the path of researching cryogenics? There are so many flaws to the cryogenic argument. Being an atheist I haven’t even gotten into religious arguments about playing god.

    • Elphaba says:

      09:16am | 28/07/11

      Actually, you should have a read of Alcor’s site and see how they have rationalised the compatibility of cryonics and God.

      http://www.alcor.org/Library/html/frozensouls.html

      It’s quite possibly total balony, but it’s an interesting read.

    • jay-ded says:

      09:35am | 28/07/11

      Very interesting read Elphaba.  I query the entire process though.  He seems to be basing his theory on people that have been immersed in extremely cold fluid, thus dying for a period of time (66 minutes for a 3 year old child) and then being revived.

      Freezing someone after they’re already dead may prove different if they are ever to be revived.  Thoughts anyone?

    • Elphaba says:

      09:57am | 28/07/11

      @jay-ded, I strongly doubt that they will be able to revive anyone, ever.  Like you’re said, you’re frozen after your death.  Unless they find some way to store your personality on a disk like in ‘Dollhouse’ and upload you to a new body, I suspect this is a pipe dream.

      But if it gives people some comfort hat death is not then end, it’s their money.

      Read some more of the religious stuff, particularly the idea that cryonics is not holding your soul back from heaven, because in fact, no soul goes to heaven until after the Rapture.

    • Ben C says:

      10:19am | 28/07/11

      @ Elphaba

      You mean the same Rapture that was supposed to happen a couple of months ago but got pushed back?

    • Mark G says:

      01:54pm | 28/07/11

      Elphaba,

      That was a good read. thanks. I had as much of a chuckle at that as I did to this article.

    • Chris L says:

      02:39pm | 28/07/11

      I think cryogenics would be fully compatible with Christianity at least. If someone can die and come back three days later why not 100 years later?

    • Marta Sandberg says:

      03:10pm | 01/08/11

      Mark G says:
      08:23am | 29/07/11
      Marta,
      I would like to point out that rejuvenating live cells is completely different to rejuvenating dead or destroyed cell tissue. With things like stem cells we are not that far of being able to rejuvenate living cells now. Dead cell matter that has been frozen for decades, centuries or millennia is a completely different technology. This is reconstruction not rejuvenation. The flaw in Robert Ettinger’s theory is that he believes that once frozen the body is perfectly preserved (soul and all but we will not get into that.) Its not. Far from it. The cell matter is destroyed in the freezing process if it hasn’t already decayed. Therefore bringing someone out of Cryo is not as simple as unfreezing, resuscitating, curing and introducing them to the world of the future. This is why much of his theories are not taken that seriously buy most scientists. Otherwise this industry would be much bigger than one institute. The difference in technology is huge and once we can rejuvenate people why would we bother to continue research to thaw out these idiots. We are just as likely to start researching how to bring Egyptian mummies back to like because it would probably be a similar process.


      Dear Mark,

      Most scientists agree that long term memory and personality are not stored in your DNA; instead they are stored in the way your neurons are linked together.  These neurons and their connections are very durable and we know they survive even primitive freezing.  With modern suspension techniques the level of preservation is impressive.  The aim of cryonics is to preserve the person you where, not a DNA clone.

      As for the other objection.  Cryonicists do not rely on the charity of future scientist to research and reanimate us.  Cryonic organizations have always done cryonic-specific research in-house and funding for cryonic suspension includes some money set aside for future research.  It is amazing what compounded interest can do to $28,000

    • DH says:

      09:16am | 28/07/11

      There is so much great stuff in that, I don’t know where to begin. So I won’t. Suffice to say I LOL’d. And I don’t even like using the expression LOL.

    • RyaN says:

      09:58am | 28/07/11

      If I had the cash I would so be put on ice like this, what an awesome concept!

    • Marta Sandberg says:

      04:50pm | 28/07/11

      It isn’t that expensive - less than $30,000 and it can be financed by life insurance.

    • The righteous one says:

      10:10am | 28/07/11

      92, would tha make him a paddle pop

    • Rev says:

      11:01am | 28/07/11

      Dad joke of the day!

    • Marta Sandberg says:

      04:55pm | 28/07/11

      If you read up about cryonics, you’ll see that the same technology that might allow us to revive the frozen patients and cure them of whatever killed them in the first place will also allow us to rejuvenate the body.  He will come back in a youngish body.  I am a signed up cryonicists and every time something creaks or groans in my body I keep on thinking that old age is only a temporary thing with me.  One day I hope to come back in a young body.  It makes old age less depressing.

    • Mark G says:

      08:23am | 29/07/11

      Marta,

      I would like to point out that rejuvenating live cells is completely different to rejuvenating dead or destroyed cell tissue. With things like stem cells we are not that far of being able to rejuvenate living cells now. Dead cell matter that has been frozen for decades, centuries or millennia is a completely different technology. This is reconstruction not rejuvenation. The flaw in Robert Ettinger’s theory is that he believes that once frozen the body is perfectly preserved (soul and all but we will not get into that.) Its not. Far from it. The cell matter is destroyed in the freezing process if it hasn’t already decayed. Therefore bringing someone out of Cryo is not as simple as unfreezing, resuscitating, curing and introducing them to the world of the future. This is why much of his theories are not taken that seriously buy most scientists. Otherwise this industry would be much bigger than one institute. The difference in technology is huge and once we can rejuvenate people why would we bother to continue research to thaw out these idiots. We are just as likely to start researching how to bring Egyptian mummies back to like because it would probably be a similar process.

    • Dan says:

      10:26am | 28/07/11

      Unfortunately, shoulder pads are already back in fashion

    • DaveinPerth says:

      09:43pm | 28/07/11

      I LIVE for the day shoulder pads are back in fashion! Due to an unfortunate genetic quirk, I look like I’m in shoulder pads permanently.

    • Lesley Laurel says:

      12:15pm | 28/07/11

      Will Julia Gillard and / or Julia Bishop be frozen in this era so that they can become Prime Minister Of Australia in future eras ?

    • jg_rat says:

      12:50pm | 28/07/11

      It’s possible that Jason means straitjacket, not straight jacket. Not that Mel Gibson would wear a gay jacket, but ...

    • Emilia says:

      01:13pm | 28/07/11

      Best headline ever.

    • Chris L says:

      02:41pm | 28/07/11

      Is he trying to say he’s an @sshole? (as much as I hate using the American version of the word!)

    • Mike says:

      02:02pm | 28/07/11

      When you say Cameron-esque, do you mean James Camerons vision of the future in theTerminator. Or is it in reference to Cameron Frye, the Darkest of dark souls of the 80’s.

      Just trying to get my pop -culture references staight.

      And do you have to pay Denis Leary for the title? Or did he throw you a freebie?

    • Marta Sandberg says:

      03:01pm | 01/08/11

      It is easy to dismiss something if you haven’t taken the time to research it and, unfortunately, your comments show that you do not understand the basic of cryonics.  Before I signed up for cryonics I spent three years trying to debunk it.  In the end I had to reluctantly conclude that it might work.  That is when I and my husband signed up.  It is interesting to note that doctors and scientist make up a large number of cryonic members and if you look into the Scientific Advisory Boards of Cryonic Institute and Alcor (http://www.alcor.org/AboutAlcor/meetsciadvboard.html and http://www.cryonics.org/SAB.html) you will find a number of well-respected and well-known names.  Cryonics isn’t voodoo science – it is just science that people are not yet ready to take seriously because we are not yet ready to confront death head on.

 

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