Relaxed and at lunch, Turnbull says he’ll survive

robdotcom71 says:

03:12pm | 27/11/09

He needs to do his cover version of gloria gaynor’s ” I will survive”

Anthony says:

03:13pm | 27/11/09

Typical elitist scum bankster having his wine and cheese.

We want your head on a pike Turnbull.

And shame on you David for believing in anthropogenic gloal warming. It is designed to undermine our sovereignty and force us to pay taxes to the United Nations.

james says:

03:15pm | 27/11/09

After the OzCar affair, this actually inspires me to really love Malcolm Turnbull’s character. He has far too much going for him than the Liberal Party.

Joe says:

03:16pm | 27/11/09

Delusional?

Jack from Perth says:

03:18pm | 27/11/09

I guess it’s not all bad for Mal than. All I had for lunch was a ham and cheese sandwich.

Peter Collinson says:

03:24pm | 27/11/09

Hey Anthony, what size is your tinfoil hat?

Felix says:

03:26pm | 27/11/09

Tony Abbott is going to end up looking the fool for trying to take over the liberal party in this manner. He thinks he will be Liberal leader ‘by Friday’, but most Liberal voters I have spoken to won’t vote for him if he was party leader… too much of an emphasis on religion.

I have a lot of respect for Malcolm Turnbull and I think it is a shame that his own party is acting this ridiculous because of greed and fear. He has balls. The question is whether they are big enough to crush his mutinous party members.

Rowdy says:

03:28pm | 27/11/09

Jack from Perth…....you got cheese???

Brendan Etches says:

03:31pm | 27/11/09

I actually think Malcolm Turnbull is showing the courage and strength desirable in a Prime Minister.  Standing on his beliefs, defying the all conquering right wing cabal- very impressive.  However, I don’t share his optimism, they will prevail.  History is on Turnbull’s side.  Turnbull should go down in glory, Abbott will lead the party to an absolute thrashing and lose the leadership in ignominy.  Turnbull will rise again during the the next Rudd government.

DigiDave says:

03:30pm | 27/11/09

QUOTE - “They are not representative of the party and they are out of step with the public”

Is Turnbull serious ?  Has he learnt nothing in the last few weeks ?  When even 57% of those polled on this site say the ETS should be delayed, how can Turnbull claim that a delay is out of step.  I thought he was a little dim earlier to misread public opinion, let alone Liberal supporters, but now he’s simply gone dillusional.

Does he really think Labor voters will turn to him when he simply mimicks Rudd ?  or that Liberal voters will now change their minds and fall into step ?  Turnbull will never ever be PM.

Daniel says:

03:33pm | 27/11/09

Well I have been to that restaurant Tabou. I find it a bit farfetched that you Pembo just happened to be in the same restaurant at the same time. On another note though. It is a great French restaurant and one of the great ones in the eastern suburbs. I love it there. Oh well if his leadership is nearly over I guess why not have a great lunch to relax and sooth the nerves. As they say: Cela est Malcolm de vie. Ne pas laisser les imbéciles politiques montent le sommet de vous. Avoir un autre vin.

Al says:

03:33pm | 27/11/09

Not agreeing with Malcolm is destroying the party?

How about Malcolm not understanding what his party is supposed to stand for.

I have no doubt the ALP stories about Malcolm wanting to join them are true.

He is the John Hewson of this century.

I hope the party learns from this.

BMJ says:

03:33pm | 27/11/09

Keep fighting Malcolm. What a warrior. His enthusiasm to try and change some of the Liberal Party’s dinosaur views is now legendary.

Julie says:

03:40pm | 27/11/09

I hope Turnbull hangs on and the other twits in his party resign.

mg says:

03:43pm | 27/11/09

@Peter Collinson, how deep is the sand your head is stuck in?

Dig deeper and you will see what is behind Copenhagen…

http://blogs.theaustralian.news.com.au/janetalbrechtsen/index.php/theaustralian/comments/beware_the_uns_copenhagen_plot/

Marc says:

03:44pm | 27/11/09

I reckon if Turnbull pulls through this one AGAIN, he is going to get alot more respect from the media and the voters. He has shown he’s got what it takes to be a Leader.

NCG says:

03:53pm | 27/11/09

“.....they are out of step with the public.” Are you kidding? The majority of the public don’t want this, at least in the current implementation or altogether. Its ridiculous and irresponsible to be trying to rush such a fundamental piece of legislation through both houses of Parliament on the pretence that “we must get it done before Copenhagen”.

stuart says:

03:54pm | 27/11/09

“We want your head on a pike Turnbull.”

Isnt this the sort of pyschopathic crap that should get someone banned from a forum?

Also its good to see Turnbull standing up to the denialists. It shows conviction and an understanding of the significance of the problem.

Craig Mc says:

03:55pm | 27/11/09

At least the condemned man ate a hearty meal then.

Eno says:

03:59pm | 27/11/09

ROFL @ Peter.

What would be an ideal end to this story for me would be for Malcolm and all the other sane (as opposed to right wing lunatic Born to Rule taking my bat and ball and going home cause I was out) liberals all put up the paperwork and be sitting on the government benches on Monday..

Anthony says:

03:59pm | 27/11/09

@Peter Collinson

It’s on page 18 of the treaty to be signed at Copenhagen

Download Here:

http://www.globalclimatescam.com/documents/un-fccc-copenhagen-2009.pdf

Charles says:

04:01pm | 27/11/09

Malcolm Turnbull has a lot in common with you journalists, too lazy or too stupid to actually find out what the status of climate change really is.  It appears you have forgotten what the Fourth Estate is supposed to do, deliver transparency on the activities of government for one thing, not regurgitate their propaganda.

The Medieval Warming Period occurred approximately 1000 years ago and was 3-4 C higher than today, how could this happen and did the world disappear?

If in my opinion that very unlikely prospect ever eventuates (journalists answering a reasonable question that is), you might then have a think about how the Greco-Roman warming period and Bronze Age warming period also occurred!

Andrew D says:

04:03pm | 27/11/09

They are all filth. But it’s those nine who have resigned that are the grubbiest. Ther resignation is a cynical act designed to appeal to their constituents so as to keep their seats at the next election. They would surely be aware the Coalition has zero chance of winning the next election, well, short of a catastrophy anyhow.

DigiDave says:

04:04pm | 27/11/09

For those that think that Turnbull is still speaking for the majority of Liberal supporters, here is yet another Poll that shows otherwise:

http://au.news.yahoo.com/polls/popup/-/poll_id/50265

Joe says:

04:03pm | 27/11/09

Rudd has doomed us all, the real losers in all of this is the australian people…....

Ian Mitchell says:

04:05pm | 27/11/09

Malcom Turnbull should be recognised as a leader who is learning quickly. For me he has been a success at his pre political life and will, by baptism of fire, become a good leader of a political party and a leader for the people. He stands up,  is heard and will eventually be listened to.He is creditable and at least is prepared to stand up to the hacks who think they are more important than the wishes of the general public. The general public is concerned over global warming and I would rather be over cautious and support the ETS as it is at least a start towards something tangible that will help the overall warming situation.

Picohloh says:

04:14pm | 27/11/09

Good on you Anthony!

We will decide what we pollute in this country and the circumstances in which pollution comes in.

Ken says:

04:15pm | 27/11/09

How are we ever going to get rid of Rudd with the opposition acting like this? Rudd will be PM for the next 25 years at this rate. What a hidious thought!

Glen says:

04:16pm | 27/11/09

I don’t care, as long as the ETS goes down and we eventually have someone in power that represents their electorate.  Ok maybe the last wish is too much to ask for.  If the last wish is too much how about we charge KRudd the Hypoctite with treason?  Can I shoot him?  Please!

Patrick says:

04:18pm | 27/11/09

Lovely, the tin foil hat brigade is out in force this afternoon. Columns from Intellectually dishonest, uber partisan hacks like Janet Albrechsten are all they need as evidence for insidous global communist plots to take over the world.

Rod J'That says:

04:19pm | 27/11/09

This summer’s hottest comedy! ‘Weekend at Malcolm’s’ stars a couple of wacky Liberal politicians who discover their boss is politically dead. Believing that they are responsible for his death, they attempt to convince people that he is still alive! Laugh out loud fun for the whole electorate.

JJ says:

04:22pm | 27/11/09

@Anthony

What exactly are we looking for on page 18? It looks pretty much in line with what I’d expect on the agreement.

You claim it’s “designed to undermine our sovereignty and force us to pay taxes to the United Nations”. What complete rubbish. I suppose you’ll be going on about Roswell next.

loving this mess says:

04:25pm | 27/11/09

yes, DigiDave. pop up self-selected internet polls on yahoo really are a valid cross section of the electorate. you people are going to get your asses handed to you on a platter at the next election.

Yep says:

04:32pm | 27/11/09

LTMS, quite right! Mark you, the SMH poll gives a nice counter-point, same warning applies.

Dunno where my settings do it, but I can vote on SMH, not The Punch, and not The Australian. And do I care? Pffffffffffft.

Lenny J says:

04:39pm | 27/11/09

I was impressed with the way Turnbull spoke last night on the TV and at what he said. I fail to believe that people on the land and in the carbon polluting industries who are well heeled and support the conservatives cannot understand the imperatives of the global warming situation as their supposed representatives seem to show.
Turnbull spoke passsionately and fluidly because he actually said some stuff he believes in and understands. The other right wing dolts in his leadership group (now defunct) clearly do not. I hope he survives. If he doesn’t, Rudd will offer him a job I am sure of it. The Liberal conservatives are seemingly heading for a slaughter at the next election but they are going down like Howard did, could not care less about the ship, glory is more important.

Lisa says:

04:42pm | 27/11/09

The deputy pm was on tv stating the libs are backing out on their ets promise,hello julia didn’t the rudd govt say they would take over healthcare in july if the states didn’t improve, yes my dear we all know what labor promises are like when it comes to doing stuff that requires results.

DigiDave says:

04:42pm | 27/11/09

@loving the mess,  “pop up self-selected” - not quite sure what you are referring to by self-selected. That was the 6th Poll I’ve seen from 6 different sites (including this one) in the last week, and they all have the same result.  It’s a far better cross section of the electorate than the few dozen or more bloggers here.

As someone who obviously wouldn’t vote Liberal, how on earth would you know what Liberal voters want anyway ?  I don’t pretend to know what Rudd should be doing as a Labor politician, as I don’t vote Labor.  But as a Liberal voter, I’m certainly going to fight when I strongly disagree with the Liberal leader.  Turnbull is wrong on this Policy issue as leader of the Liberals, and so far no one has shown me a Poll, or any evidence anywhere, to say most Liberal voters back his stance.  They don’t.

The only reason Liberal will be whalloped at the next election, is if Turnbull continues to lead, and sides with Rudd on passing the ETS now while Senate has only processed 10% of the amendments, and Copenhagen hasn’t happened yet.

Senate Watcher says:

04:44pm | 27/11/09

Pretty cute commentary.  A bulldust operator until the bitter end.  This lawyer has made Australian political history by having half his front bench resign over two days.  And he still doesn’t get it.  But the grassroots Party people get it.  Turnbull has been foisted on them & they know that Turnbull IS the next Rudd Govt.  So while Turnbull remains Coalition leader there will be no change of Government - ever. That is why Turnbull has to go - to give the electorate a policy choice.  No need for Turnbull when you have got Rudd - there is no difference.  IN WA the Liberal State Opposition Leader was changed 3 times in 3 years, & the election was still by the Libs.  NOBODY is irreplaceable.

Matt says:

05:24pm | 27/11/09

DigiDave - the problems with that poll are fairly obvious when you observe that the ALP’s primary vote is running at less than 30%.  That certainly hasn’t happened since before WWII - even when the party was split by Santamaria - and may never have happened (I can’t be bothered check).

Darren says:

05:26pm | 27/11/09

I want Tony Abbott as leader of the Liberal Party - that would guarantee the party is unelectable!

merek says:

05:40pm | 27/11/09

Well here’s a report from the grassroots - I spent the morning with a large group of people attending a social function in a very liberal electorate -a very unimpressed reaction from all those I spoke to - my own personal opinion is this -  every interview I have seen with Malcolm Turnbull on tv has left me with the impression of a man that knows what he is talking about and is prepared to say it openly - he sells the message - dont know what the story is behind the scenes but for the country’s sake stand down all the ambitious wanna be’s and support Turnbull or else risk annihilation at the next election.

Darryl Price says:

05:50pm | 27/11/09

How will the Prime Minister become Secretary General of the United Nations if he doesn’t rock up at Copenhagen with this CPRS under his arm? Gosh MT, get the Right in their place, behind KR’s plan, and quickly.

Dalma Smithy says:

05:51pm | 27/11/09

When is it all gonna end ? Tall poppy syndrome - bring it on. The grass root Party faithful are sick-an-tired of all the scuttlebut, innuendos, back-stabbing, bum-licking, mob juggling riff-raff who call themselves Ministerial material ( inbibe in all the lurks-an-perks of Office ) yet when it comes to the crunch, wimp their way out of solidarity, loyalty, and oath of Office, and Judas like, sacrificed their sworn Leader to oblivion, for much less than 30 dirty pieces of silver. Old Judas at least, had class.
In a word, they shamefully sold him down the proverbial drain. Boots, spats and all.  Brutus, on the other hand, possessed Honour - this mob have none, and the Electorate will rue the day and send them packing, come election time. Malcolm now know’s who his friends are, and those dyed-in-the wool Liberals, e,g Tuckey, Michin, Abbott, Mirabella,Andrews etc will have their day, at the ballot box. Pity, Kevin must be laughing all the way to Govt House, to seek his crony Gov-general Bryce to dissolve Parliament, to win another term in Office, without really trying. The ( What !! ) Opposition’s is in disarray, and judging by their purile antics are a rat-bag, kindergarden, self-serving, opportunistic syncopaths, fit for none other than the trash can of History. Serves them darn well right. How deserving.

Voxpop says:

05:52pm | 27/11/09

Kudos to Turnbull for standing up to the right wing nutters and sticking to his principles.  He’s definitely earned the respect of many after some ify showings in the past.

I come into contact with a lot of people in my job, part of which involves discussing current affairs and I’ve found that the news polls do not reflect the general concensus but rather the audience demographic.  Same as the talk back radio callers do not represent a balanced cross section of the community - I mean have you listened to them they sound like uneducated old rabble roused from their rocking chair nap by the word tax.

I sincerely hope that Turnbull survives and has a chance to select a better, more moderate and fresh team to replace the dangerous fools who’ve resigned.

cats says:

05:57pm | 27/11/09

I don’t agree with an ETS, but I am loving watching the Liberal party destroy themselves. I don’t let one policy dictate which party I vote for. I will never vote Liberal, ever. As there are many policies about the Liberal party I do not agree with. Just because they don’t support an ETS doesn’t mean I’m going to run to them and vote that way. The fact is, 70% of Australians believe the government needs to do something about the pollution we emit - regardless of whether they believe in global warming or not. And those people aren’t spending time on this website argueing about it.

I think Turnbull can see this and is doing what he can to get the public to vote for the party. Abbott wants to plunge Australia back into the good old days where we abused gay people on the streets and went to church every Sunday. He will NEVER win over the younger voters. Whether you dinosaurs like it or not, young people are Australia’s future.

TLC says:

06:18pm | 27/11/09

Malcolm, you are the true statesman and honorable man.
Not like the weasels around you,
At least we know who the honest and character people are.
Even if they dump you, we know that you did the best for the country and the party.
Those lying, cheating buffoons don’t deserve you.
If you stay, my best wishes.

Alfred Deakin says:

07:18pm | 27/11/09

Have the Liberals noticed that John Key and the National Party (clearly part of a left wing conspiracy!) in New Zealand have just passed an ETS??

Mark says:

08:02pm | 27/11/09

I am a life long greens supporter and Malcolm Turnbull has won my respect for his refusal to buckle to the deniers. I wish him well and don’t forget - even John Howard supported the ETS. So what is the problem when Malcolm continues this policy?

iansand says:

09:15pm | 27/11/09

Politics Rule 1:  If your leadership is under threat stay in your office and eat baked beans on toast.  White bread, of course, if you are in the Liberal Party.  Recommendations for party specific cereals available for a small consultancy fee.

DigiDave says:

10:00pm | 27/11/09

Matt, I accept that the Poll is probably flawed in that way, but my point still stands.  The majority of those who will vote Liberal, prefer that they oppose the introduction of the ETS.  Labor voters will vote Labor, and Labor has painted their colours to the wall.  Fine, I have no argument with that.  But Turnbull has wrongly claimed that his own party should back the ETS because that is what it’s members and Liberal voters want.  Clearly he is deluded.

stephen says:

02:04am | 28/11/09

Hell voxpop, where’ve yer been ? i remember you from the first blog on this site. (is that how yer say it ?) By the way, Malcolm’s not wrong, the Party is wrong. I remember when Global Warming became an issue, and everybody turned to each other and shook their heads in warm agreement. Then cost and money came up (make that sacrifice), and then suddenly every Capitalist and their dog (plus a scientist) had an argument to refute the science. Now i like capitalism, but it should stay away from Science, as much as the State should stay away from Religion. Possible, you think ?

Wayne H says:

06:15am | 28/11/09

Who gives two rats about what crap NZ have done. This is Australia.. no ETS!

Wayne Hutchins says:

06:45am | 28/11/09

You can’t email Malcom any more! Must have received too much advise to get the hell out of the way. He doesn’t listen to public opinion anyway and that has now become his undoing. Labor will learn the same thing down the track. I think we are all getting a little tired of being tainted as evil just because we think the new tax will do know good. Better than being a blinkered sucker that falls for anything I suppose…

Pollster says:

07:41am | 28/11/09

All such things a re very flawed. Suggest you all have a squizz at the SMH and Australian polls.  Different story.

Blogger says:

10:59am | 28/11/09

I guess the big mistake has been by both Labor and Lib. They both need to put out “A dummies Guide to Global Warming” and “A Dummies Guide to the ETS”.  The bull being shoved out by the anti-ETS lot is so bad, so inaccurate, so foolish, it should be an embarassment to every Liberal voter. Let alone the MPs we pay so handsomely.

But then, as I’ve said elsewhere, it seems the Far Right of the Liberal Party can’t abide elections. The Liberals took pretty much this revised ETS to the people at the last election. Now we have a small group making a lot of noise in a targetted campaign to try and overturn their Party’s word, by fear and lies. It’s rotten. This nasty little campaign running now is undemocratic to the last degree. Election by blog bile? Not in my country.

Neil says:

03:48pm | 28/11/09

DigiDave, the poll is screwed .. I just put 17 votes on Liberal with climate change in a row just by pressing resubmit, hardly an accurate measure.  Could easily be manipulated, where did you get the link from.. Andrew Bolt’s page perhaps

lovingthismess says:

04:43pm | 28/11/09

@digidave
you really are clueless. if you can find a real poll - I mean one where, oh, say random sampling and a few techniques that have been in fashion for the last century are used - that shows some groundswell in favour of knocking over the ets, good luck. if you want to spend your time clinging to user-generated polls on websites, then you are even more clueless than you sound.
trust me when I say this - you are heading for one of the largest electoral defeats your lot has ever, ever faced.

DigiDave says:

05:16pm | 28/11/09

@lovingthismess

So you are saying the Poll on this website (The Punch) today that has 60% wanting the ETS opposed is also wrong, or worthless ?  There is a groundswell against the ETS, and your continuing abusiveness and bullying shows that you are not coping with that fact very well at all.

Steve says:

07:06pm | 28/11/09

David , David , David,

You really are looking like the the Ostrich with his head in the sand.

The ground is changing.

You picked the mood when people got tired of Howard, why dig your heels in now and fight for dodgy science.

Can’t you read information?

Global warming was always was a con.

Rudd will take your money as well you know.

Angry Voter says:

07:26pm | 28/11/09

Far too late, given the your repeated abuse of both fact and person,  for digi dave to talk about abuse.

And here’s the latest on his “groundswell against the ETS”. Read with care, digidave - its from a major poll, no bulldust button pushing.

Australian, lunchtime today:
“According to Newspoll analysis, support for the government’s emissions trading scheme legislation is overwhelming among Coalition voters in metropolitan areas. Newspoll shows that 63 per cent of Coalition voters in the cities believe the government’s bill should be passed, while only 28 per cent think it should be opposed.

Election analyst Malcolm Mackerras said the Newspoll analysis is consistent with his own research, suggesting the Coalition would lose up to 20 seats, taking Labor’s majority from 26 to more than 40 seats.”

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/politics/liberals-facing-election-rout/story-e6frgczf-1225804771480

Groundswell indeed!

orangecrush says:

09:32pm | 28/11/09

But why would the deniers believe a well-respected poll when they can vote a hundred times each on a tim-pot web poll and then tell us that only 3 people in the world believe in climate change ......

DigiDave says:

09:07am | 29/11/09

Ok, does a Galaxy Poll out this morning count as ok ?

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sunday-telegraph/malcolm-turnbull-stance-cops-a-poll-axing/story-e6frewt0-1225804931828