The details of the crime are unspeakable. But we need to speak about them, or more precisely, the reasons why we continue to live in a world where a young woman can get viciously gang-raped on public transport, thrown out of a moving vehicle, and die of her injuries.

A vigil in India for the rape victim. Pic: AP

Earlier this month a 23-year-old woman was attacked on a bus in New Dehli. She was eventually flown to a Singapore hospital after a series of local operations in a desperate attempt to save her life from the injuries she sustained from allegedly being repeatedly raped by six men and then pushed from the bus.

The reaction in India and now around the world has been collective outrage. There have been high profile Indians expressing their anger, shame and disgust on Twitter, candle-light vigils, protests, and social media campaigns, all on a scale never before seen about an issue that is apparently endemic in the country.

And the state has at least made the appearance of responding to these calls to take the issue seriously. Officials from the Indian High Commission were at her bedside.

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh met her body at the airport when it was returned home this past Sunday. Police have announced the alleged offenders could face the death penalty if convicted.

The anger, fear and disgust that people express towards the accused is completely understandable. What is troubling is the attitude by many who automatically understood this act of sexual violence as having a ‘cultural context’ because of the ethnicity of the men.

The reality is all sexual violence against women has a ‘cultural context’.

When ‘Aussie’ men rape, particularly in groups, it isn’t simply as one-off instances of aberrant behaviour that can only be understood at the level of the individual. The occurrence of it may be different in degree in different societies, but it is not a difference in type. It is men expressing a form of hatred towards women (among other things) in whatever language you describe it.

This is not any arbitrary sort of violence – it is specifically gender-based. There is evidence to suggest that cultures with greater equality between genders generate less gender-specific violence.

And this is the unpalatable truth of sexual violence. Simply blaming individual perpetrators for such violence is not enough. I was sent a petition calling for harsher penalties for rapists in the wake of this horrific act. But as appalled as I am by the crime, I won’t be signing it. The problem is not merely one of individual punishment.

Of course if there are cultures whose laws don’t appreciate the seriousness of these crimes or there is an issue with the police not enforcing them (a common problem that India is only one example of), then that has to be urgently addressed.

Tragically, it has taken this case for India’s Prime Minister to make some admission of the role the broader culture plays in shaping attitudes and behaviours towards women generally.

But what we all have to do is to confront the brutal truth that this type of sexual violence doesn’t exist in a cultural vacuum anywhere. The culture is one in which our institutions and institutional practices and the attitudes they engender are inherently sexist and structure human relations in ways where women can be seen as objects to be used and abused.

Lengthier sentences may or may not be appropriate in particular cases, but only ever focusing on the responsibility of the individual fails to confront the underlying social and structural causes of sexual violence against women.

Ultimately, understanding responsibility in individualistic terms keeps us stuck at an ideological impasse where bleeding-heart liberals want to make excuses for perpetrators and shock jocks want to hang them from the nearest tree.

We all need to take some collective responsibility for being members of communities where sexual violence against women – committed by men cross-culturally – continues to exist.

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    • acotrel says:

      05:08am | 31/12/12

      I wonder if women being raped in India is regarded as seriously by the Indians, as Indian students being bashed in Australian cities ?

    • nihonin says:

      07:04am | 31/12/12

      +1

      Salient point acotrel.

    • OzTrucker says:

      07:49am | 31/12/12

      The very same thing crossed my mind.

    • stephen says:

      08:22am | 31/12/12

      It may be that India expects a higher standard of us because we, The West, like to huff and puff our way around Asia and Russia giving, rightly or wrongly, lessons on human rights.
      India, I’m sure, is well aware of its defect of castes and imbalances of social systems, but the initial response by the police to the the girl’s injuries was meagre, I suspect, because this kind of thing is commoner that everyone thinks and that it was only a recent realization that it is Christmas, when the locals got upset.
      This statement is not to harm the specific cultural perceptions in India of rape - though there will be an element of it here - but may reflect a worldwide failure to regard a sexual attack as unique to gender eg. a more general perception of value, and a very serious crime indeed - as the above writer is trying to state, I think - and not merely a smack against previous cultural traditions.
      This, I believe, is the recent realization of the Indian population’s revolt against this crime ; the culture there is changing right in front of our eyes.
      (Christmas may have its utility, after all.)

    • Borderer says:

      09:12am | 31/12/12

      @Acotrel
      A caste system will do that.

    • Really? says:

      11:29am | 31/12/12

      perhaps you should examine some of the links to the indian newspapers, or even read some of the articles in australian newspapers on this case to see the kind of response it has generated in india

    • Troy Flynn says:

      11:44am | 31/12/12

      You do have to wonder how seriously Indian authorities take these rapes. It was stated on Al Jazeera that a rape is reported in India every 20 minutes. And then there is the other current rape case where a 17 year old was raped by three men. The police tried to get her to drop the case and even had the audacity to suggest she pick one of the rapists to take as a husband!! She sadly poisoned herself rather than accept the police alternative to prosecuting her attackers.  But at least the police chief involved in suggesting she marry her attackers was stood down. Hope it’s permanent.

    • tez says:

      01:59pm | 31/12/12

      The Indian students that were bashed in Australia were male, of cause it was more serious

    • rotor says:

      02:15pm | 31/12/12

      Given the scale of the protests that occurred in India last week, the answer to your question is that this appalling rape/murder is regarded much more seriously than what ocurred to Indians in Australia. That said, the level of reported rape in India is lower than in Australia or most western countries.

    • Dr B S Goh Australian in Asia says:

      05:13am | 31/12/12

      Yes such things are very sad. As the writer states it is cultural. More serious issue is the fact that in many communities in Asia women are treated second class. Witness how women are treated in Afghanistan, China, India, Bangladesh, Pakistan etc.

      People who want to read the latest developments in India can read
      http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/

      In China the preference for males has produced 30 million more males in a population of 1.34 billion people.

      There is hope for the females through education. Now in many Asia countries there are more girls in universities than boys. This is even the case in Pakistan, except for the wild northwest where recently the Taliban tried to kill a young girl who was promoting education for young girls. Lucky she was flown to UK and survived and she was nominated to be a person of the year in the Time magazine, see http://poy.time.com/2012/12/19/runner-up-malala-yousafzai-the-fighter/

    • TChong says:

      09:02am | 31/12/12

      Doc
      I didnt read where you advocated removing females from the passengers in the boats you wanted to whole sale murder,last week.
      And you’re lecturing on how women are treated second class?
      See any inconsistancies there?
      ( I suppose, to be fair,  you were calling for all the boat people to be killed, - no discrimination on your part ) )
      Over to you, Doc.

    • Dr B Goh Australian in Asia says:

      09:52am | 31/12/12

      @ T Chong. The Punch has removed my comments which you refer to. But if you have read it carefully what I wrote I was stating very simply that we need to destroy now the entrenched popular belief in Asia that Australia welcomes boatpeople.

      I went on to write that future Australians will face a terrible choice if we do not destroy NOW this entrenched popular belief in Asia that Australia welcomes boatpeople. Will they have to use torpedo boats to sink the boats or face being conquered by a tsuanmi of millions of boatpeople? It was acotrel who twisted my words and claimed that I advocate killing boatpeople. On the contrary I am stating very simply we must not create the situation where future Australians are faced with such an impossible and cruel choice.

      I just saw the film Back to 1942 on the internet. This is about what happened in central China in 1942 when a famine killed 3m people. One of the saddest scene was about the army stopping a train with thousands of refugees and went on to kill many of them to drive them away from Shaanxi the neighbouring province of Henan with the famine. The reason why the troops did such a war crime was to stop the flow of refugees as Shaanxi by then had millions of these refugees.
      So my warnings to Australia on what can happen in future is not a crazy nightmare but something that can repeat a crime in history.

      Henan in China at the time of the 1942 famine had 30m people. It now has about 100m people and it is the province of China with the most people.

    • TChong says:

      11:24am | 31/12/12

      Doc
      The comment was removed, because advocating navy boats to sink a boatload of people, murdering them, is absolutely Himmler like loonacy, and you know it.
      I was dissapointed the post was lifted so quickly, denying others a chance to read your POV.

      You seem an intelligent person, Doc, so, why post it ?
      BTW - a harsh reality- there are quite a few caucasian ozzies who would probaly think you are a “reffo ” too ( assuming your Punch name bears some relation to your forebears ethnicity,), and believe there are too many asians in Oz , already ( a view I dont share)
      Pays to remember such an unsettling fact , from time to time, when advocating harsh treatment for “Them”.

    • willie says:

      12:29pm | 31/12/12

      I didn’t see the first post so maybe it was badly worded. The way the doc explains It here makes sense.
      The problem with taking the soft option now is it makes the next round of decisions harder. The doc explains this then gives an historical example.
      I feel you are only jumping on him because you are afraid what he is saying is true.

    • Dr B S Goh, Australian in Asia says:

      12:57pm | 31/12/12

      @ TChong. Thanks for your comments. Yes I am concerned that a regular contributor like yourself to The Punch could have got the impression that I was advocating the sinking of boats carrying people. It is certainly a crime to do so. I appreciate The Punch today to allow me to clarify what I wrote last week.

    • NESLIHAN KUROSAWA says:

      06:05am | 31/12/12

      Hi Carrie,

      Sexual violent acts committed against women isn’t anything new in India, Middle East region, Australia or the USA. Instead of trying to examine why and how it happens as well as making excuses for the perpetrators of such violent acts, we should be empowering and protecting the most vulnerable women before it ever happens. We should also look at the reasons what makes some women easy targets in the first place.

      Lets also face it at this age of feminism and so called equal rights, most rape cases may go unreported just the same.  And why?  Mostly just like you suggested rape can bring on feelings of shame and guilt to the actual victim and the victim’s family.  I am really tired of hearing the same old excuses of mental health issues being tagged to any kind of violent acts such as rape and murder.  Yes harsher penalties may serve as a deterrent.!

      However most unfortunately in places such as India and parts of Middle East region, most prosecutors and police officers mostly being men, would you think that anyone is actually out there trying to protect the rights of the victims of sexual violent acts?  Most definitely not!  As long as most law makers and judges happen to be men only and women still take a back seat to most decisions and policies concerning women’s welfare in general, I doubt that nothing will change for the better any time soon.  It is all about having a collective effort on all women’s side especially to stop this tragic and heart braking events from ever happening in the first place.

      Especially when such violent crimes are being committed in public places, you also have to wonder about the first reactions of the witnesses and by standers. In conclusion lets empower all women to begin by thinking that such horrific violent acts like gang rape aren’t acceptable even in such places as India.  The Indian women also have to question their own worth and place in the society and begin demand answers instead of being silent. Kind regards.

    • Mik says:

      07:00am | 31/12/12

      India has had and continues to have, many high profile female leaders. They, along with their male colleagues, have to publicly say that both parents have to teach their children that both sexes are equal, that “culture” is not an excuse for human rights abuses. Parents in the West too have an obligation to teach their children well. They have to also to look at those things which brought about this culture in the first place, eg the losing of daughters to the in-law family, the service of sons and their wives (slaves) to the son’s parents.The system has to be changed so that the parents do not have to degrade others so that they have security in their old age The cultural acceptance of violence and degradation of females is a learnt behaviour and can be changed. I believe there are many good men trapped in these cultures who are too afraid to speak out, because they too will be mutilated or killed.

    • NESLIHAN KUROSAWA says:

      08:16am | 31/12/12

      Hi Mik,

      Thanks for your enlightening views on the role of many prominent female leaders in India. However I would like to ask why it isn’t making any difference to the actual suffering of Indian women? Yes our own up bringing and family background may determine our true destiny in life. But on the other hand the general stereo types and preconceived ideas regarding women in the society may actually play a far greater role than any other. 

      Having female leaders aren’t really enough if they aren’t actively involved in bringing about any healthy changes to law and order issues. By that I mean setting good role models as law makers, judges and prosecutors as well as being actively involved law enforcement issues. Our family and cultural backgrounds maybe all important key factors however our living environment and available opportunities can truly shape us all into who we are and who we want to become eventually. Kind regards.

    • Tim says:

      06:07am | 31/12/12

      I don’t get this article.

      Is the author trying to say that everyone should take responsibility for the attack in India or that Australians should take responsibility for similar attacks here?

      Perhaps some examples of similar attacks recently in Australia might have been helpful to understand her point.

      Overall it seems the author is trying to use this specific act of violence to further her own ideological beliefs. I reject her assertion that anyone is to blame for acts like this other than those who committed them. Trying to blame society is a cop out that absolves the individual of their own choices.

      If broader society rejects rape as ours clearly does through our laws, how can it be to blame?

    • Tubesteak says:

      01:48pm | 31/12/12

      I think the author was trying to draw parallels with India and our society (she’s a feminist, after all, and must propagate the feminist victimhood myth). Namely that rape comes from a social hatred of women that men are indoctrinated in. It would be wrong to suggest that this exists in Australia with the reverence women are constantly held in here (look at any advertising where the male is the bumbling fool and the woman the hero or in schools where girls are told they are special and valuable simply because they are girls; but boys have to earn their place by being good at sports or work).

      Rape in our culture is the act of an aberrant individual. It has nothing to do with cultural influence and can only be extended to the male’s own failed upbringing if anything at all beyond himself.

      Rape in places like india can be said to be a product of society where women are not viewed as equals. The solution will not come from Australia or feminism. The solution comes from developing their economy and the attendant rise in education levels that it brings. The rise in education brings with it more liberal and egalitarian attitudes focused on the rights of individuals to participate in the economy (according to their abilities and choices) as an economy needs a well-educated populace to truly grow and function as efficiently as possible.

      This is a matter for India’s development and must grow on its own. It cannot be foisted from without.

    • Gregg says:

      07:12am | 31/12/12

      I am not too sure where you attempt to head with your intent Carrie for whilst you give both India and Australia a mention, to some extent it is a bit like comparing chalk and cheese.

      Sure, there are many countries where women may be in far greater danger than Australia though rapes do also happen here and I would expect that most when brought to the attention of police here in Australia do get an appropriate response.

      ” Tragically, it has taken this case for India’s Prime Minister to make some admission of the role the broader culture plays in shaping attitudes and behaviours towards women generally. “
      I would think the Indian PM is referring to the culture they have in India in that comment.

      ” But what we all have to do is to confront the brutal truth that this type of sexual violence doesn’t exist in a cultural vacuum anywhere. The culture is one in which our institutions and institutional practices and the attitudes they engender are inherently sexist and structure human relations in ways where women can be seen as objects to be used and abused. “
      Australia is becoming more and more multi-cultural and that may impose difficulties for some sections of our communities may be more closed off than others and knowing what may occur in respect to attitudes etc. may be quite difficult to really ascertain.
      We have certainly seen cross cultural actions and reactions and the Bondi riots in Sydney were a very open example of that on display and have had that reference to exposed meat or whatever.
      The Indian student community in Australia is probably somewhat renowned for exploitation, possibly by those of Indian descent in packing numbers of people into accommodation far greater than appropriate or likely legal,
      another form of cultural attitude.

      Indeed, alarm bells ring not just in Australia but as far as multi culturalism goes, experiences abroad too.

      ” Lengthier sentences may or may not be appropriate in particular cases, but only ever focusing on the responsibility of the individual fails to confront the underlying social and structural causes of sexual violence against women. “

      ” We all need to take some collective responsibility for being members of communities where sexual violence against women – committed by men cross-culturally – continues to exist. “

      Yes, there may be underlying social and structural causes, especially where there is a mix of cultures and an increasing mix may not be such a good trend.
      What are you in fact proposing community members do by taking collective responsibility?
      Should we establish community vigilante groups?

      For sure, it may be beyond time that we examine far more closely the impact on Australia of increased multi culturalism without it being labelled racist.

    • Ian1 says:

      07:32am | 31/12/12

      India’s problems are only just beginning to surface.  How can gender equality be meaningfully implemented in a caste society?  The West must give leeway to these developing Nations, cultural reform won’t happen overnight.  Expecting the Indian people to step up to widely held norms of social equality is a bit far-fetched. 

      As horrific as the attack on this couple was, there are orphans there who’ve been adopted only to have begging bowls rest where limbs used to be.  (http://www.dnaindia.com/bangalore/report_bangalore-melts-to-begging-bowls_1714914

      Plenty of cultural problems to address, to be sure.

    • Mik says:

      08:19am | 31/12/12

      Rape indicates moral impotency, of the individual, and where it applies, the culture - the practice and acceptance of rape is a weakness. Real men know how to control their sexual organs (any judge will tell you it is also about the sex, not only the power) and don’t use it to cover up their own issues. Real men don’t use the little girls and young women trapped in the sex holes of the world either pretending that they have given consent.
      Female rapists and trafficers are just as vile.

    • Mayday says:

      08:21am | 31/12/12

      Religion also has a great deal to answer when it comes to the role of women in society.

    • HC says:

      08:23am | 31/12/12

      These things aren’t cultural or whatever you label them with after the fact.  The simplest explanation of tragic circumstances like this (or worse) is that people aren’t that far removed from animals (in spite of our protestations about our big brains, civilisation and other steaming piles of sh!t) and some are even less removed from animals than others.

      People merely assign ‘cultural’ or other tags to events after they’ve occurred because we all seek meaning in a world that has none and look for excuses that make this behaviour seem more palatable than it is while we vainly hope that such a thing could never happen here or elsewhere because our ‘culture’ finds these things abhorrent.

    • Lola says:

      10:00am | 31/12/12

      Your argument would make sense if this ‘culture’ thing you mention had no correlation with anything eg. crime. But, of course it does, so it’s relevant to link it, discuss it and condemn it where it needs condemning. We’re not blameless in Australia, but miles ahead of a caste-based, misogynistic, ancient culture like India. I’d like to see figures on Indian sex-attacks in Australia - despite the press’s sanitisation of the issue, I think they’re over-represented. To claim every culture has moral equivalency is idiocy.

    • HC says:

      02:08pm | 31/12/12

      @Lola

      I’m not saying that all cultures are morally equivalent, hell I’m not even talking about cultures at all, all I’m saying is, if given the opportunity to get away with something like this, then this could happen anywhere.

      People blame cultures and other stupid little excuses (like the lack of gun control in the US caused all those school kids to get shot for example) to assign blame because people want to think that humans don’t behave badly without a reason determining their actions.

      All I’m saying is that people are animals and some animals like to behave worse than others.  There is no reason for it, it just is the way it is.  Laws and cultures and civilisation and society and other stuff like that just gloss over this fact.

    • Sickemrex says:

      08:34am | 31/12/12

      Perhaps the author is trying to say that moral relativism is a bad thing, that some acts are too horrific to be excused by cultural norms, but is to politically correct to say so?

    • St. Michael says:

      12:31pm | 31/12/12

      “Ultimately, understanding responsibility in individualistic terms keeps us stuck at an ideological impasse where bleeding-heart liberals want to make excuses for perpetrators and shock jocks want to hang them from the nearest tree.”

      I’d say you’re right, Sickemrex.  It’s hidden behind four-syllable words, but yes, the author’s trying to say she’s against moral relativism without actually saying so.

      “We all need to take some collective responsibility for being members of communities where sexual violence against women – committed by men cross-culturally – continues to exist.”

      No doubt sexual violence committed against women, cross-culturally, tends to be done by men.

      But sexual violence committed against men, cross-culturally, tends to be done by women.

      Let’s make sure both are stamped out, not one.  Thus far the penalties for the rape of males, even underage males, are far less than the penalties for the rape of women - in this country or elsewhere.

    • AllRapeIsWrong says:

      01:48pm | 31/12/12

      St Michael, you have a point, no doubt, that sexual violence committed on males is just as vile, agreed. However, what irks me on this site is how men feel the need to cry “don’t forget about the boys!” constantly, when this article (and others like it) is talking in particular about cultural attitudes towards women which result in rape being commonplace, in order to further oppress them.

      Rape is used as a weapon of subjugation in a society which is predicated upon “knowing your place” ie the caste system. The “place” of women in India (amongst Hindus, at least) is often below even the lowliest male, and it is reinforced with violence, including the sexual kind, up to and including murder. Please do not forget the main message of this peace in your rush to condemn moral relativism and include boys - who will grow up to be men with the same attitudes, if steps to rectify the common mind-set aren’t taken.

    • AllRapeIsWrong says:

      01:52pm | 31/12/12

      I meant “piece” of course. Interesting Freudian slip.

    • Sickemrex says:

      06:53pm | 31/12/12

      Until this year I considered myself to be as feminist as the next woman but after hearing that utter disgrace to humanity Greer refuse to condemn female genital mutilation and carry on about the PM’s arse I decided I am whatever the -ist is that wants all people to be treated decently.

    • Kath says:

      09:47am | 31/12/12

      Rape is pandemic. It’s not specific to culture, although some cultures are more overt in their hatred and oppression of the female sex. Religion is just one aspect of the primary cultural problem, ie. patriarchal culture, which persists to one degree or another in every country and society on earth. There is your problem.

    • Mephisto says:

      10:17am | 31/12/12

      Wow…. Way to make the world sound seem like an oppressive, hate filled open rape bonanza against the female species. Sexual violence is a serious issue but don’t you feel your statement is a little OTT?

    • Borderer says:

      10:25am | 31/12/12

      Pretty liberal with your branding there Kath, nice use of “pandemic” to try and rip in the shock value. Use of “overt” implies there is “covert” oppression everywhere else. Reference religeon to capitalise on ignorance though I can’t recall any religeon where rape is advocated. Finally you also bring in patriarchal culture to reinforce “oppression” two sentences before, overall 7/10.
      Despite your offensive beat up of the true state of affairs, decent men don’t commit rape and we are the overwhelming majority. In Australia, equity for genders is enshrined in law, what you do with that equity is your business, not society’s.

    • Tim says:

      10:32am | 31/12/12

      “patriarchal culture, which persists to one degree or another in every country and society on earth”

      Yes, to one degree or another.

      ie. In some countries not at all, and in others, completely dominant. Exactly the same as every other type of culture, well done.

      Although how you’ve linked this as the main cause of, or the whole problem itself, I don’t know. Those gender studies classes don’t seem to be paying off.

    • Empowered says:

      10:25am | 31/12/12

      Wasn’t it only a couple of hundred years ago that the first English children born here were of gang rape?  and rape/murders are still common?
      We should not obsess with other cultures and countries when our own is still flawed and complicated.

    • Borderer says:

      11:19am | 31/12/12

      Empowered
      Wasn’t it only a couple of hundred years ago that the first English children born here were of gang rape?
      Were you there? Let’s not bring any evidense to back things up, be free with wild conjecture… the governor also got first dibs….

      We should not obsess with other cultures and countries when our own is still flawed and complicated.
      Everyone loves a free ride on the band wagon and to sneer at other people, you just had a crack at the first white Australian’s….

      and rape/murders are still common?
      Since you’re asking a question, no, no they aren’t.

    • David V. says:

      10:49am | 31/12/12

      Unfortunately, we allow the importation of these cultural attitudes and practices, and hence we have cases like the Bilal Skaf case in our own country. Yet, we have the Left and their eggers on claiming that perpetrators are somehow victims of our allegedy wicked society.

    • Mattb says:

      11:56am | 31/12/12

      It’s all the lefts fault.. Blah, blah, blah…. Blame the left….Blah, blah, blah.

      David V, so divisive and full of hate that he uses the rape and murder of a defenceless human being as an opportunity to attack his political opposites. Not only that, its now two days in a row he’s used it. What a pathetic, ignorant little man..

    • David V. says:

      01:37pm | 31/12/12

      No, what’s truly pathetic is excuses being made for rapists and wife-beaters. Our culture is largely devoid of those sadistic practices because we are civilised. Moral relativism is a danger to freedom and humanity.

    • rotor says:

      02:22pm | 31/12/12

      David V is such a troll with his comments here that I am surprised that the comments are published. David V does nothing but damage the tone or quality of discussion here on The Drum.

    • Kipling says:

      03:27pm | 31/12/12

      A couple of points davidv.
      You appear to make the issue a political one. It seems that demonstrates a lack of empathy or compassion.
      Secondly: Who exactly has defended rapists?

    • Borderer says:

      04:13pm | 31/12/12

      As a righty it pains me to say it but Mattb is right, the damnable pinko….

    • Stephen says:

      10:54am | 31/12/12

      Here we go again…a vile and abhorrent crime against a female in India, and the local branch of the Feminazi Party leap on the issue to push their anti-male agenda in Australia and elsewhere.

      This is an INDIAN issue. It does not relate to, nor should be used as an example of what occurs in this country.

      The propensity of feminism to cite abhorrent behaviour in other countries to justify its existence in this one is a major deception.

      Using this barbaric incident to embark on yet another male bashing crusade is pathetic.

    • nihonin says:

      12:00pm | 31/12/12

      +1

      It’s their culture, their country, if the same attitude that allowed the rape to happen is brought to this country via immigration, then I’ll stand up and fight for all women who reside here. 

      In my opinion, if you stick your nose into another country’s culture and laws and demand they change to suit your opinion/ideology, then say that culture/country has no right to comment on our culture or country and our laws, you are a hypocrite.

    • M. Mouse says:

      11:42am | 31/12/12

      This could happen anywhere, the issue is partly as I understand it is the attitue of the police towards this sort of thing. If this terrible event does something to change that then perhaps there can be some positive change.
      Meanwhile this shows up the faux outrage about “misogyny” supposedly directed towards our poor victim female politicians for the pathetic sham it is when women all over the world are real victims. .

    • BLA says:

      02:20pm | 31/12/12

      Mouse - ‘This could happen anywhere’, yes, you are right. I recalled recent rapes by taxidrivers in Aus and a quick google search came up with this wonderful collection of ‘Australian’ cab rapists:

      1. Brisbane - Taxi driver Sunveer Jassar, 28, found guilty of raping inebriated female passenger, 27, under Story Bridge
      2. Brisbane - A former Brisbane taxi driver who raped a passed-out female passenger in the back seat of his cab last year has been sentenced to eight years imprisonment.  Former Yellow Cabs driver Gurpreet Singh, 24, ....
      3. WA - Meanwhile his friend and fellow taxi driver Amrit Pal Singh, 32, was convicted on one charge of raping a woman in her 20s in the back of his cab last year. Mr Rajan (an Indian in WA) wrote a paper, “Indians in Australia – a critical look at sexual assault issues”, which calls for greater training of taxi drivers to deal with the “sexual repression” they grew up with in India and give better education about the freedom and role of women in western cultures.
      4. Victoria - Pakistani taxi driver jailed for raping Victorian woman. Asad Ali, 48, formerly of Geelong, assaulted the woman, 18, as she lay alcohol-affected
      5. Vic - Cab driver Usman Safdar is alleged to have taken advantage of two drunk female passengers in separate incidents seven months apart by engaging them in conversation and then raping them in his taxi.

      I omitted similar articles from UK and USA…. It’s happening ‘anywhere’, because the west is taking ‘anyone’ in, no questions asked.

    • Levi says:

      04:17pm | 31/12/12

      Watch out. Mattb and other leftists like him will come up with a typically small minded retort when they lack a coherent opinion.

      See above:
      “It’s all the lefts fault.. Blah, blah, blah…. Blame the left….Blah, blah, blah.”

      It would be interesting to see if those girls were still raped if Bilal Skaf (or his parents) were denied access to Australia.

    • Jaqui says:

      11:56am | 31/12/12

      What I cannot understand is the lefties who fight for womens rights yet support cultures and questionable “religions” that have entrenched views on repressing women and any that step out of line are summarily raped, murdered or executed to a cheering audience.
      Most of these lovely lefties want this as the final solution for our daughters, hence their support for multiculturalism as opposed to integration, their support for open borders as opposed to protection to those in need.

      Perhaps it is that lefties just haven’t the spine to stand for what they spruik at their dinner parties or sipping their lattes in the inner city park with their other amoral friends.

    • M. Mouse says:

      12:54pm | 31/12/12

      Yes Jaqui it certainly is a paradox. How many of the front bench would be stoned for adultery in their brave new world?

      Or perhaps they are just too stupid to realise how contradictory their nonsense ideology is and this example shows how hollow thier rants are when comared to real victims in the real world.

    • Chris L says:

      01:34pm | 31/12/12

      Perhaps lefties believe that cultures and religions can outgrow their darker tendencies, the way our culture is still working to overcome old bigotries. If it were impossible for this to happen we’d have to ban Christianity for endorsing slavery and murder of people who wear differing cloths.

      What is it with people equating multiculturalism with rape anyway? Was there no such thing as rape in Australia before the term was invented?

    • nihonin says:

      04:32pm | 31/12/12

      I had the same problem, my ex accused me of supporting female circumcision in Muslim countries as I wouldn’t speak out on it.  It is their country, their culture and it’s not just men who hold the girls down (sorry sisterhood but that’s how it is).

      Bring it here to Australia, well that’s a different story.  chick chick wink  know what I mean!

    • Rossco says:

      12:06pm | 31/12/12

      “We all need to take some collective responsibility for being members of communities where sexual violence against women – committed by men cross-culturally – continues to exist. “

      We all need to take some collective responsibility for being members of communities where sexual violence against anyone - man, woman or child - committed by anyone cross-culturally - continues to exist.

      Fixed it for you Carrie.

    • waynevan says:

      01:38pm | 31/12/12

      In 1999 Dr Graham Staines, an Australian missionary, along with his 2 young sons were murdered by Hindu extremists who blew up the campervan they were sleeping in in Orissa state. The outrage and remorse over that crime has led to a significant decrease in violence carried out towards religious minorities. My hope is that this event will have the same effect when it comes to sexual violence however I’m not optimistic of it as this was a local woman where in Dr Staines’ case it was and international visitor which lent it extra siginificance to Indians in general. Either way it’s tragic that it takes something as shocking as this for change to come about.

    • chuck says:

      04:15pm | 31/12/12

      They have women only carriages on the Indian railways - now I know why!

    • chuck says:

      04:17pm | 31/12/12

      Temples with phallus and vagina worship - says a bit doesn’t it?

    • Anjuli says:

      05:36pm | 31/12/12

      It should not take the death of some ones beautiful daughter for India and other countries to treat their females with respect . How any one could do such is a thing is beyond comprehension ,those so called men were worse than a pack of wild animals.

 

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