“If you had asked me seven months ago if Rudd could lose, I would have asked you how much you’d had to drink,” says 65-year-old electrical engineer Robert Brown of North Ryde. “But now it is a real possibility.”

Bill Leak in The Weekend Australian on Saturday.

So it is. The assessment of Mr Brown is in keeping with the majority of the people we spoke to in our Punch street survey of voter sentiment going into this Federal Budget week. It’s a worrying trend for the PM, one which was born out by last week’s Newspoll, and today’s Nielsen poll in the Fairfax papers.

After looking set to coast to second term victory, Mr Rudd has taken a hammering in the polls. The disturbing thing for the PM is that many of the voters we met have a keen grasp of his backflips on the ETS, the insulation scheme, the school stimulus projects, and are now parrotting the Tony Abbott line that he is “all talk and no action.”

In what we’re billing as an el cheapo version of a professional focus group survey, The Punch team spent the past few days interviewing 40 voters in the seat of Cunningham (Wollongong), Bennelong (John Howard’s old seat on Sydney’s Lower North Shore), Roberston (held by disendorsed Labor MP Belinda Neal by the narrowest margin in the country) and in the Sydney CBD.  Most of them also gave the Government a score out of 10.

We are going to go back to the respondents after Tuesday’s Budget to see if there is anything in the financial documents to change their assessment of the Rudd Government.

The survey was by no means exhaustive. But it was framed around one simple and non-loaded question - what do you think of the job Kevin Rudd is doing as PM? - and the themes which came through will alarm the ALP.

Voters needed absolutely no prompting in declaring that Mr Rudd has not exactly set the world on fire in terms of delivering on his promises.

This is what Robert Brown went on to say in our interview at the North Ryde Shopping Centre.

“The only thing he has delivered are those grandiose things, the apology, ratifying Kyoto despite the disaster that Copenhagen turned out to be, but he hasn’t delivered on policy. This latest business with the mining tax is terrible for the economy and for superannuation.  And if I hear the term working families one more time we will have no radios left in the house because I will have smashed the last one.”

Mr Brown is keen to see Mr Rudd dumped - others less so, with many saying they will probably stick with Labor because they did the best job possible during the GFC, and others citing concerns with Tony Abbott’s style and lack of policy.

But overall the trend can best be characterised as a sense of disappointment, or of feeling let down, by the man who promised much more in his Kevin07 incarnation.

Rather than chopping and pasting their comments throughout this post, it is best if we take the quotes from the voters who kindly spoke to us, and let them speak for themselves.

Jonathan Dennaoui, 25, accounting graduate but now working as a barista:
“I feel at this time there are many issues that we have been bombarded with at the same time. The super tax on mining, reforms to the tax system, the state of the health system, investment in schools, our immigration policies, new tax on cigarettes, shelving of the ETS and scrapping of the child care centres just to name a few. Giving many interest groups reason to disagree with decisions being made. It is definitely one of the low points for the Rudd goverment. I still hold confidence in their decision making but have to say that there is reason for concern.” Score: 5/10

Rachel-Terese Goodwin, 19, Wollongong, looking for work:
“I do not think that they are doing a good job at all. From the point of view of my family we’re really struggling. It’s just really hard going and I don’t think they’re doing a good job of helping.” Score: 2/10

Michael Naughtin, 51, lawyer, Wollongong:
“They are doing their best to lose an election they shouldn’t lose. They ought to shoe it in because they opposition doesn’t have much. They are not selling their message, and Australians do not like the way he’s talking about the change he wants to make.”

Chantell Burnett, 18, community sector worker, Wollongong:
“Is he the one who raised smokes? Yea well I don’t like that. Private health cover is another one, the wait is really long right now, and if you have private health cover you get in first, so that seems unfair.”

Lorraine Moore, 53, office worker, Wollongong:
“At the moment I like Kevin Rudd. I mostly agree with what they are doing, it’s tough work. But I am more worried about them putting up the housing rates again.” Score: 8/10

Ashley Manne, 51, teacher, Wollongong:
“I think they are bloody awful. All rhetoric and no substance, then again, I didn’t vote for him. I’ll give them one point for getting there, one point for the MySchools website and one for the tax changes.” Score: 3/10

Julie Cario, married with four older children, small business owner:
“They’re not going too badly, but my husband has a small business and I am really concerned about he issues affecting that. It’s not entirely clear to me how these superannuation increases are going to work, which could be bad for small businesses.” Score: 7/10

Christine Riehl, 65, retired, Wollongong:
“Actually I have no complaints. I am a retiree with no kids at home, so it’s pretty good for me. But they have spent too much money on all these incentives, and he has gone back on his word on the ETS.” Score: 7/10

Des Mangar, 48, bank worker, Wollongong:
“Kevin Rudd actually lost it for me in that controversy around the Bill Henson pictures and the Chaser sketch. He came out and said “I think it’s appalling” and he hadn’t even seen them. Who does that? Plus you’re talking to a smoker here so I can’t be supportive of the tax hike in cigarettes. I want them to do better.” Score: 6/10

Georgina, Glebe:
There have been some positive changes since Rudd came to power: the apology, the stimulus package (which has impacted positively on Australia’s ability to pull through the GFC) and putting education, health and climate on the agenda. (With the budget) I’m hoping that there will be some measures implemented that limit excessive pay to executives, their ability to hide big bonuses and avoid tax. It’s obscene that those that earn the most are able to find loopholes in the system that minimises the taxes they pay. I’m hoping for a fairer system.” Score: 6/10

Caroline, Summer Hill
“They’re struggling. They have lost a lot of credibility through the failure of some of their major projects, the home insulation scheme, the environmental assessment scheme, and through their abandonment of the emissions trading scheme.  I don’t actually agree with the scheme as i don’t think it goes anywhere near far enough towards making a significant change to our carbon emissions, however to the public eye it comes across as though they have gone flaccid on one of their major election platforms and promises.  In the budget I’d like to see increased funding for mental health, paid parental leave, long term investment in renewable energy, higher tax on second properties so that people buying investment properties can’t negatively gear them while there aren’t enough to go around for first home buyers.“ Score: 7.5/10 

Ben, Berowra
“When Kevin Rudd was elected I hoped for a strong leader who would make a hard decision and actively steer the country, and a government much more in touch with the times and finally one with a moral compass. I feel he got off to a promising start, but has so far proven to be fairly poor at following through with meaningful change despite a lot of promises and failed attempts. I feel I fit fairly well into the much publicised ‘working family’ bracket (early 30’s, married, homeowner with mortgage, one child, single income), and as such I don’t expect the budget to have any significant new benefits for me. ‘Working families’ are fairly well catered for and I suspect will not be subject to significant changes in an election year. I would however like to see some means of spreading the responsibility for curbing the rising inflation rate to something other than simply repeatedly lifting interest rates. Whilst I admit to a limited knowledge of economics & agree it is generally effective, there are many that see little benefit from the profits of inflation yet bear a disproportionate cost from interest rate rises.” Score: “Relative to how it was when they inherited it ie 2007, 4/10. Relative to other countries after the smoke cleared from the GFC, 8/10.”

Judith, married with two school-aged children, New Farm, Queensland:
“I would like to see increased investment in public infrastructure particularly education, health and transport services that will prevent disadvantage in the long term. Many of these are currently state issues but the states are struggling with budgets that are just too small to do what needs to be done. In particular I want to see more investment in public education, particularly learning support in the early years, more investment in the public health system, including preventative health and reducing waiting times, and more infrastructure for growth corridors outside our major cities, particularly transport and social services.” Score: 6/10

Tim, married with two children, Caboolture, Qld
“I would like to see our environment, including better use of public transport, included in the budget. I would also like to see education as a major improver and not just building grants and computers but more trained teacher, smaller class sizes and proper resourcing of schools.” Score 6/10

Matthew, married, moderate dual income, 2 children, Fairfield, Qld:
“In the federal budget next week I would like to see a budget which
recognises and provides some assistance for the difficulties faced by
middle class families with children, and the extreme costs involved with
extra curricular activites, which ultimately benefit society later on,
through health and/ or knowledge benefits. I would like to see a broader approach to stimulus programs, targeting select groups eg. education buildings and insulation, has been somewhat a disaster and smacks of some sort of cronyism or narrowmindedness. Increase in subsidies for new businesses, research and infrastructure projects would be better in my opinion. Lastly I would like to see budget measures which discourage those who wish to burden society with their lack of self control and will to
contribute financially to the community as a whole, let’s face it most
things come back to money. The baby bonus encouraged whole swathes of
‘second class citizens’ to extend or start families, this is going to
cost us in the next decade, I’m unfortunately on the front line with
this, “Thanks Peter!!”. Whilst the seemingly never ending pool of
assistance to the long term unemployed or unemployable enable generation after generation of ‘bludgers’.” Score: 4/10

Bob, 39, Dulwich Hill:
“They did the business on the stimulus package even if they should have been a bit sharper on the follow up checks.  The last few weeks has shown a complete absence of political conviction in favour of electoral expediency. With the Budget they should reverse the ridiculous tax cut promises of the 07 election.  Apply the revenue to a gradual reduction in national debt (though we are nowhere near as bad as the Greece,  UK , Japan et al) and thoughtful (ie. long term) development of infrastructure (rail, health etc).  The budget should also be anticipating a carbon taxed economy, though that ship seems to have sailed.” Score: 5/10

Tony, 40, Sydney, married with three children:
As a Labor voter, albeit a critical one at times, I was elated when Kevin Rudd was elected, especially with Barack Obama being elected as well.  I am disappointed though that some of his initiatives have been watered down or dissolved.  We elected him because the Howard government wasn’t doing what we wanted it to do and now Mr Rudd is diluting the very things we wanted him to do because of “perceived” pressure from the very Opposition that we don’t want in power.  I wish Rudd would HTFU and get on with making some tough decisions. Despite all this, the big issue is the ridiculous three-year federal political terms we have in this country and the farcical amount of overgovernment.  Not a lot will change no matter who is in power until (as if) something is done to change both of these things.” Score: “An average of 9 - he’s not the Libs - and 5 - I wish he’d get on with it.”

Geoff, 42, single from Beaudesert, Qld
I’d like to see a clear commitment to paying off debt, new controls on the Finance Services Industry and a new financial scheme or plan for major polluters to pay for their emissions in some way.  

Alex, single, Noosa Heads
“I voted Labor last election. I won’t be in the next. They get a one only, for spin. The current performance can be summed up in two words: abject failure. What I don’t want to see in next week’s budget are any more handouts, any more useless programs or wasteful expenditure. God forbid we should deliver more GST revenue and the management of the health system to the Feds when they have made a ripe mess of everything else they have touched. Budget needs to focus on economic management/fiscal responsibility not inflationary stimulus measures. It needs to give confidence to the Reserve Bank so that it puts a hold on interest rate rises, and to business for sustainable growth and productivity.” Score: 1/10. 

John,single (divorced) of Kangaroo Point, Queensland.
“To encourage more Australians to save some of their income, I would like to see the federal budget change in the way bank interest is taxed from the maximum rate to the lowest rate i.e. 15%. It is difficult enough to save some of our hard earned money with inflation and loan interest rates increasing constantly but we also have to pay the maximum rate of tax on the bank interest we earn on those savings, The income tax rate on bank interest should be no more than that of the superannuation contribution tax- 15%.” Score: 7/10

Brian, approaching retirement age, runs a family business, Lawnton, Qld
“What I would like to see in the budget….Honest Governance…not ‘Green Wash’ spin….as we have seen on the Climate Change about turn. No more fast track schemes causing pain to good businesses (such as Insulation and Solar).An enforcement of rules pertaining to companies sub contracting to shonky businesses who are not skilling our workforce. This method of subbing is a total cop out for Entrepreneurs and ‘get rich quick’ jocks with no respect for training for long term gain.” Score: 4/10

Michael, 40, Ashbury, NSW:
“I’d like to see more income tax paid across the board by Australians, excluding low income earners. Less in the man bag, more in the communal purse.  What do people do with their money now?... they piss it up the wall or buy crap so they can get a brief feeling of perceived happiness.”

Barry Best, farmer Gilgandra, married with adult children:
“I don’t think they’ve thought it all out properly. They’ve done one thing after another and taken us deeper into debt. They’re spending money like water and now they want to tax everything. We’ll be the ones who end up paying for it. Kevin Rudd sounds impressive but I think he’s leaving a trail of destruction.” Score: 4/10

Tony Preston, construction, Terrigal, married with two kids.
“I think he’s getting us further into debt. Eventually we’ve got to try to get out of it and that usually takes a change of Government. Stimulus has come to an end and now there are lots of people who are out of work. I’m disappointed the Henry Review response didn’t go after state taxes and development costs. Building is the backbone of this area.” Score: 6/10
 
Dave Wallace, butcher, Karriong, married with one child:
“Terrible. Everything has gone bad since he got in. He’s spending too much money, just throwing it away. Bringing down Government debt has got to be the priority now.” Score: 3/10

Daniele Beauchamp, travel agent, Umina, partner with two kids:
“I thought that he was fine before. I voted for him but I’m not that happy any more. The stimulus package just tore through way too much of our surplus. I’ve just started working again. I’d love them to bring some kind of government child care in. About 50 per cent of our money goes on childcare. I’d like it to be subsidised rather than just refunded. It’s coming up with the cash up front that’s hard. Government debt is starting to get scary.” Score: 6/10

Emma, travel agent, Asquith, single.
“I’m quite forcefully opposed to most of the decisions he’s made. Especially in the past week on smoking and the mining tax. Mining will now be forced off shore. He’s spent all the money we had. I loved the $900 in my pocket but the funds have got to come from somewhere. The previous government worked to hard to pay off the debt and leave us with a surplus. I’m not expecting anything from the Budget. (When he was elected) Rudd was very appealing to the market, the problem is he’s got nothing to back it up. The public are starting to realise that now.” Score: 4/10.

Kate Sclavos, bookshop owner, Saratoga, single:
“I think that he’s trying to think outside the box to raise money but I don’t think it’s working. (As a small business owner) I’m very concerned about the changes to superannuation. I’m also wondering what the tax breaks for small business will be and what their effect will be. I’m also worried about them making any changes to the GST.” Score: 4/10

Peter Smith, salesman, Griffith, married:
“Not very good, and I don’t know what the stimulus package achieved. The home insulation thing has turned into a farce. The schools projects led to rip offs left right and centre. There’s no control. They need to enforce the rules. I’m not sure yet about the hospital take over but there needs to be more spending on hospitals. Score: 6/10

Bruce Kay, butcher, Bateau Bay, single
“I think he’s doing alright, considering how we’ve come through the Global Financial Crisis. I’d like to see more small business incentives. Swan said small business kept Australia going while the crisis was on. I’d like for the BAS to only be once a year instead of quarterly, and more on appreciation. At the moment they give with one hand and take with the other.” Score: 5/10

John Kennedy, retiree, Wangaratta:
“I think everything he’s touched is not working. The pink batts scandal, the ETS cancelled. I shudder to think how the hospitals thing will go and the schools package is a very grey area at the moment too. They promised everything but haven’t delivered, and squandered what the last government created. And Rudd is a bit too smooth.” Score: 4/10

Robert Bell, East Ryde
“He’s the worst prime minister we have ever had. Other than the fact that he could not lie straight in bed, there is no substance to him. I didn’t agree with the way he spent all of the money – the only reason we had that money was because of Howard and Costello, and now it’s gone. The stimulus spending, insulation, schools, it was a load of crap. And the great moral challenge of our time was climate change and now he’s abandoned that. I don’t know anyone who supports the job he is doing.”

Jill Neill, North Ryde
“I just feel that lying has become acceptable in this society, and he doesn’t think that it is a problem that he made all of these promises and failed to keep them. They have no idea of how fiscal policy works. Our economy was fantastic. He keeps blaming the GFC but really it comes down to his own mismanagement, we were in the best position of the world and we now have a debt that will take us generations to pay off. I got $900 from this government and I thought it was disgusting – I don’t even have a mortgage. It was a total waste of money. I hope that he loses the election, and I hope that he loses his own seat.”

Robert Russo, North Ryde
“I think he could probably be doing better. I think he has fallen down on the environment, and also by being a bit reactive generally with the shemozzle over the pink batts and all that. I think with the economy and the stimulus spending it was a little bit over the top, but we would probably be in a bit of a mess if they hadn’t done it. Obviously there have been a lot of builders who have made a killing but it was still good in theory.”

Jeff Gray, North Ryde, 37:
“He’s all talk and no action. The ETS, the insulation scheme, grocery watch, fuel watch - he doesn’t seem to follow through on anything.”    

Jill Brown, 62, office assistant, North Ryde:
“Absolutely hopeless…his arrogance, he’s got absolutely no idea. He is a one-man band, nothing he has done has been discussed with his ministers. From the day he got in I always said Australia would not be big enough for him.”

Robert Brown, electrical engineer, 65
“If you had asked me seven months ago if Rudd could lose I would have asked you how much you’d had to drink but now it is a real possibility. The only thing he has delivered are those grandiose things, the apology, ratifying Kyoto despite the disaster that Copenhagen turned out to be, but he hasn’t delivered on policy. This latest business with the mining tax is terrible for the economy and for superannuation.  And if I hear the term working families one more time we will have no radios left in the house because I will have smashed the last one.” Score: 1/10.

Janet McSpadden, 19, student, North Ryde:
“Kevin Rudd has not done anything to upset me and I don’t know anything about the other guy. I don’t really know who the other guy is. He will have to convince me during the campaign that he will make things better but he hasn’t done that yet. The fact that I don’t even know his name shows that.”

David Lovell, 29, chef, Parramatta:
“I don’t have too many problems with him. He promises a lot but he has not really delivered but the past couple of prime ministers have been like that too. I think we avoided the financial crisis pretty well, but apart from that he does not seem like he has done that much. I think the stimulus money needed to be spent but it probably got rushed which is why they have been having the problems they have had. But it wasn’t Kevin Rudd’s fault that things went wrong, just that there were not enough safeguards in place to stop the shonks rorting the system. I think he will get back in, only because Tony Abbott is not a very likeable person. And that’s pretty much what gets you in.”

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    • Bye bye Kevin says:

      02:09pm | 10/05/10

      Kevin Rudd is all facade. Classic obssessive-compulsive. Soon the cracks show. He will go. Aussies want genuine leaders. Kevin’s too hung up on hiding his real self. Bye Bye Kevin 10!

    • Bye bye Kevin says:

      02:32pm | 10/05/10

      Do I get a prize for being the first to comment?  Maybe a session with Kevin 10 explaining why Australians need real people to run the country and save taxpayers’ money by getting rid of all those useless spindoctors?

    • Tony says:

      06:13pm | 10/05/10

      Your’e spot on here. He’d be a good psych case, no substance at all - an absolute fraud of a character. I cringe everytime he rolls out “working families”. Has he ever met any? Sounds like he’s read it straight off autocue everytime…just awful

    • et Brute says:

      10:27pm | 10/05/10

      Well well well the penny drops The selectively indignant,The deeply betrayed green and the new media grubs are finally getting what they voted for,It would be advised that you look at The Greens in the same light as Kevvy and Julia, Please dont forget Julia,who by the way will Replace Kevvy at some stage and as we speak the Unions and PR policy makers have been taken off the Brumby and Keneally jobs to work on Julia so she comes across as a one of the Working Family types,she will be attending the opening of fridges and turning up anywhere the light is on with A special haircut and little else

    • Jane says:

      03:09pm | 11/05/10

      The amount of ignorance ( politically and in general) and factual apathy shown here by voting Australians is the real issue…and scary. Any wonder Labor pander to the lowest common denominator and are the masters of the 15 sec media soundbyte. Shows how easily people have been and are manipulated by their lies and deceit.
      Voters have become politically complacent over the last decade while experiencing the luxury of the good times. There is a whole generation who have not experienced or can’t remember Labor pain.

      Not just talking about Labor voters but ‘people’ in general’. They have the interest span towards politics and attention to it of a gnat….and Labor have harnessed that reality.

      Labor - excellent marketeers and snake oil merchants, Sh*thouse managers of the economy however…and that goes without saying..or should. :(

    • I want a real leader says:

      02:13pm | 10/05/10

      for gods sake, get a real man, a real leader. Someone who feels what it’s like to be a real battler. They have to battle with us. Stuff the spin waffle. It’s boring, those pathetic spin machines that dribble out rubbish. They are all full of it.

    • Matt says:

      02:38pm | 10/05/10

      ah but therein lies the problem. do we currently have one? if we do they’re doing an osama-esque job of hiding themselves

    • VOTE LABOR OUT says:

      02:19pm | 10/05/10

      If the Labor party were in private enterprise they would be facing prosecution, jail time, bankruptcy, and homelessness.
      They do not deserve to be re elected.
      Any Australian who gives Rudd labor more than 1/10 is asleep.

    • JohnnyBGood says:

      02:31pm | 10/05/10

      Wow you hit the nail right on the head! Labor/Rudd have done a terrible, terrible job in government. Rudd has nowhere to hide and he knows that people have found out that he truly is a fraud. He never had a plan for running this country, he used the media especially TV to create an image and spin to get him through the polls. Now when the public demand results he has nothing to show for it. Fair suck of the sauce bottle indeed Mr Millionaire PM!

    • Bruce says:

      03:16pm | 10/05/10

      Is it so much Rudd’s fault ? or is it the party behind him. Rudd does not make all the decisions, there have to be people advising him as well. So who are these useless people ?  This federal labor government has got to be one of the dumbest governments we have ever had.

    • Where are all the rational people gone says:

      06:14pm | 10/05/10

      I reckon the liberal party might be in the same problem werent they paying bribes and kickbacks to Saddam’s Iraq.

      Anyway, Ruddy needs to lift his game there is no doubt about it. I prefer my leaders to have a little spine

    • tony says:

      01:01pm | 11/05/10

      This mob have been a disgrace from day one. The man’s (KRudd) a bureaucrat who has a false smile, a filthy rich wife (& good on her) &  has no idea about mainstream issues. He speaks to we Australians in a very demeening way, as though we are stundents in Primary School. Well mate, don’t speak to me that way, in fact, don’t speak to me at all….come on fellow aussies lets have some fair dinkum people running this country, not Chairman Rudd his council…...

    • Scott Glennon says:

      02:21pm | 10/05/10

      They are right. Kevin, you are embarrasing.

    • Adam Diver says:

      06:55pm | 10/05/10

      I think the biggest issues is the stupidity of the population. I don’t think any politcial party in history should get more than a 5 and Rudd in particular is lucky to get 2. 8’s 7’s etc just reinforces my cynical belief that the majority are just plain stupid or completely ignorant.

      Compulsery voting has to go!!

    • Macon Paine says:

      01:03pm | 11/05/10

      “Compulsery voting has to go!!

      Bingo! Remove compulsary voting and a lot of the nitwits they interviewed wouldn’t burden us all with their idiocy.

    • sunny jay says:

      02:25pm | 10/05/10

      Go Robert Brown!! ” And if I hear the term working families one more time we will have no radios left in the house because I will have smashed the last one.” Hear, hear!
      Rudd’s hopeless.

    • Temerarious says:

      02:26pm | 10/05/10

      Tony Abbott just needs to get thousands of “Rudd the Dud” T-shirts made up for his campaign and he’ll be an absolute shoe-in!

    • Wayne L Fehlhaber says:

      02:29pm | 10/05/10

      There is no doubt that non-delivery programs and jetissoned policy has been the catalyst for Labor’s poor showing in Newspoll and the Nielsen poll.
      Ruud’s ability to spin has worn thin with an electorate searching for something tangible to justify the taxes paid to keep the nation functioning.
      The Rudd government is increasing an aura of incompetence and the Prime Minister appears unable to halt the bungling of programs from which the community has seen very little delivery.
      There is complacency within Labors support base and they continue with their blind faith in the re-election govt.  The restlessness in the Australian electorate highlights the real possibility of one term only for a Labor govt. which , at one stage , looked unbeatable.
      If Rudd loses the federal election , there is little chance of expressions of sympathy from an angry electorate.

    • Christian Real says:

      04:17pm | 10/05/10

      Wayne,
      If Australia had a decent Opposition, one that had real policies, not one running around in budgie smugglers, then some of these No-delivery programes may have been passed through the Senate. It is Abbott that is the disgrace, his idea of being opposition leader is to block everything through the Senate and to have no policies, no ideas and no direction.
      A minister of the former government that brought in work choices and the anti terrorism laws, both of these laws akin and appear to have been copied from aspects of hitlers enabling act.

    • Adam Diver says:

      06:57pm | 10/05/10

      Oh the irony of including “real” in your name. Rudd does not need the support of the coalition in the senate to get legislation passed. Apparently the minors and independants think the legislation is just as stupid as the coalition do.

    • Mark says:

      07:45pm | 10/05/10

      snicker…hitler….Godwins Law so early in a thread.

      Thanks for being pointless again Christian

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      08:21pm | 10/05/10

      Christian Real : Time to start facing reality Christian , even when it hurts like blazes. ! 
      Take heart in the fact that the Liberal party will clean up Labor’s mess ,
      again , as usual.

    • Alex says:

      02:32pm | 10/05/10

      Abbott is not doing to well in the polls either , trouble is hes just not liked!! Next time ask the question will you vote for Abbott? I bet many will answer NO

    • Peeved says:

      02:39pm | 10/05/10

      So if no one likes Rudd or Abbott, what hope does Australia have?

    • Brad Coward says:

      02:52pm | 10/05/10

      Instant poll in the making here, Alex.  Will I vote for Abbott….Yes !  Interesting to see what others think.  Cast your YES or NO vote to Alex’s comment.

    • Martin G says:

      04:23pm | 10/05/10

      YES, I will vote for Abbott.

      I will walk on hot coals before I vote for the Hollowman or the Greens.

      I’m just delighted you think the future of this country should be decided on who is more ‘likable’ as a person. Great political insight.

    • BobM says:

      04:29pm | 10/05/10

      I will be voting for Abbott.  Only psycho feminists don’t like him. His religious views are much the same as Rudds so don’t bother going there….. and at least he has the guts to give his opinion, unlike Rudd who has to wait for an opinion poll first.

    • nic says:

      04:38pm | 10/05/10

      As a Liberal voter, I would vote for Gillard as PM. I don’t think we should fall into the trap of ABK (Anyone But Kevin). I don’t believe that Abbott would be any better to tell you the truth.

    • Nathan says:

      04:39pm | 10/05/10

      Yes i would vote Abbott. All this talk about him having no policies is nonsence. He is the opposition, why should he be releasing his polocies now when the government can easily pinch then and say it was theirs? Policies will come out in good time.

    • cj says:

      04:59pm | 10/05/10

      NO.

      Voted Labor for first time at last election. Never again. Also won’t be voting for Coalition again any time soon. At this point I’m thinking of voting for the Greens (first time ever) and the Sex Party.

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      05:24pm | 10/05/10

      Yes i will vote for Tony Abbott

    • Helen says:

      05:44pm | 10/05/10

      Yes - I will be voting for Tony - I think he is terrific.  A true Australian and am sure he will do a great job.  Pity some of you are not prepared to give him a fair go.

      Nobody could be as bad or as incompetent as the PM and Cabinet.

    • John A Neve says:

      06:31pm | 10/05/10

      Wayne,
      Come on, you sound just as silly as the rest on them.
      Abbotts not even in your electorate,  If he and Rudd are that good?
      Why bother with the rest of them?
      How many of you who are going to vote for Abbott are in his electorate?
      What a pack of hams.

    • Wayne Fehlhaber says:

      08:14pm | 10/05/10

      John Neve , John i think you missed the point of Brad’s comment , he is clearly asking will you vote Liberal or Labor in the coming election.
      Peeved is clearly using Rudd and Abbott to indicate Labor or Liberal.
      Lighten up John !  you missed a very clear message.

    • Dingo says:

      08:18pm | 10/05/10

      Good point Martin G. We have gotten into dangerous territory now that people want to elect politicians that they “like”.

      If you needed brain surgery, you wouldn’t care about the neurosurgeons personality. You want the specialist with the best qualifications to do the operation. I think it should be similar with those we elect to run our States and our Nation.

      I’m not too keen on making Abbott my next best friend, and I don’t think he’ll say everything I want to hear, but I think he will do what he says he’ll do. That would be a vast improvement on Rudd.

      We all should have applied the old adage, if it sounds to good to be true it probably isn’t true - which really sums up this whole Rudd government.

    • TC says:

      09:24pm | 10/05/10

      Im with Dingo on this

    • Heather says:

      10:22pm | 10/05/10

      I’d vote for Abbott.

      CJ, while you’re considering, consider that the Greens were responsible for getting the Labor party over the mark in many of the borderline electorates last time around. A vote for the Greens is often a vote for Labor.

    • morph says:

      06:00am | 11/05/10

      I would vote for Mr Abbot.
      A man that can complete an ironman on his first go is not a quitter.
      A vote for the Greens = Vote for ALP

    • Lails says:

      10:01am | 11/05/10

      I will also be voting for Abbott!!

    • tony says:

      02:20pm | 11/05/10

      I agree with Nathan 10.5,.... why reveal Liberal policies at this stage , we all recall Krudd pinching John Howards’ lines & ideas leading up to 07’s poll because he absloutely had nothing original other than “hi I’m Kev & I am here to help” & I will enjoying playing with John Howards’ mind.
      Help he didn’t, & I would like to know how Kev’smind is right now.

    • Jane says:

      03:17pm | 11/05/10

      I’ll vote for Abbott. smile

      Hows that ‘ask the question’ scenario working for you Alex?

      ...asked my husband…Abbott…..asked the postie..Abbott….asked the shop assistant - Abbott…...oops….your point was?

    • Mike says:

      02:40pm | 10/05/10

      I hope more people get behind Tony Abbott and give him some credit, at the moment we just hear Rudd is a dudd and Rudd shouldn’t have changed his ETS rah rah rah. Hopefully when Abbott gets some policy’s out (asap) we will see more of a swing to Abbott, At the moment most media and commentators seem to always have a bit of a smirk on their faces and not really take him too seriously. C’mon Tones get some policy’s out sooner rather than later and you will be taken more seriously. T A for PM!

    • Brad Coward says:

      02:43pm | 10/05/10

      If your spouse, for the PC…partner,  was as wreckless with the housekeeping money as Mr Rudd and his team have been with the public’s money, you would have given him/her a black eye, filed for a divorce and gone after a replacement model !  I’m not advocating violence, though !

      Mr Rudd, the days of baffling with bulldust are over.  Time to start blinding with science !

    • SD says:

      02:52pm | 10/05/10

      So what was the average score?

    • DS says:

      10:58pm | 10/05/10

      5.04 - if you exclude the highest (8) and the lowest (1), to filter
      rusted-on lib / lab supporters then it rises to 5.25.  So overall it is a pass.

      The people who gave multiple scores had their scores averaged then that was added to the overall score.

    • Jim says:

      02:54pm | 10/05/10

      I don’t really like Abbott but there is absolutely no way I’m voting for Rudd. The amount of money he has wasted through stuff ups, poor policy and give aways is mind blowing. I look at my water, gas, electricity, tax, insurance, interest and food prices going up and I can’t help but think that there is a direct link between Rudd policy and these ever increasing expenses. We have to pay it back eventually and these guys are running out of money - just look at the Queensland Governent - they have sent a mining state broke!!

      I’m also convinced people that will vote Labor at the next election don’t actually read so these comments are probably wasted in this company.

    • green with rage says:

      02:58pm | 10/05/10

      Not one comment about this government intending to impose a false “religious based morality” on all of us plebs by way of an expensive, ineffective intenet filter that will impinge upon Australia’s freedom of speech for eternity.

      I have voted for the ALP all of of my life but I want these bastards gone.

    • Phil says:

      03:09pm | 10/05/10

      But will you vote for Abbott to replace Rudd or hope the greens will get enough to get a seat, which is unlikely and only chance Rudd the Dudd has of reelection. Someone wrote on here on another blog Kevin 07 not
      Rudd un10able

      As is written above, if they were in charge or a corporation many of them would now either be in front of ASIC or the courts. Misleading and deceptive conduct should be outlawed in politics. One strike and your out.

    • Angie says:

      03:03pm | 10/05/10

      Yes Abbott yes

    • John A Neve says:

      03:04pm | 10/05/10

      Reading the posts here is a worry.
      I am not interested in Rudd or Abbott as such. Rather what is good for our country. This ongoing Left, right, left right, swing is taking us nowhere.

      Wehat is required is a leader/party with a vision, where is Australia going to be next year and the year after that?

      We tinker with tax, we build a few school halls, we fight the unbeatable foe and build sports stadiums, ya beauty.

      But does either of the majors have a long term vision for our country?

      With out any shadow of doubt, Australia in the ‘60 & ‘70’s was a far, far better country for the average Joe Blow.

      Two party politics has killed this country.

    • Julie Coker-Godson says:

      04:25pm | 10/05/10

      Where is Sir Robert Menzies when you need him?

    • Jack says:

      03:05pm | 10/05/10

      Abbott is a natural leader, Rudd is a bureaucrat. I think it will come down to people’s judgement over pride, realising that those who voted for Rudd in 2007 now had admit their mistake…...a very costly mistake.

    • Ish says:

      04:12pm | 10/05/10

      What has Abbott come out with policy wise? Nothing he runs his mouth without thinking. Abbott seems to abide by the adage “What would Jesus do?” Also all he seems to do is poo-poo what the government comes out with. I’m pretty sure Australia needs a leader not a bishop. I think Rudd is the lesser of two evils. The schemes and all while half baked at least there was action, probably too quickly which is why they’re failing.
      I will probably throw away my vote again this year and amuse the vote counters with a drawing or a lymeric.

    • WayneT says:

      06:55pm | 10/05/10

      It’s Abbott’s job to oppose the Government, to hold up their policies to scrutiny.  If the Governments policy is good enough and right then it will survive otherwise it was ill thought out, as most of this Governments policy direction has been.  Why would Abbott release any policies before an election anyway, only to have Rudd use it as his policy backbone as he did last election?  The only thought that Labor had of their own last election was getting rid of Work choices.  Everything else has been a big FAIL.  They had no idea how to implement the coalition policies they stole.  Saying Sorry hasn’t benefited Aboriginals with any extra funding going their way, the money that has was from the previous government strategies.

    • Michael says:

      07:13pm | 10/05/10

      Ish since when has an opposition of either persuasion released policy before an election campaign officially starts. You’d be stark raving mad too!! Same applies in business, hold your cards close till the prize is up for grabs.

      Personally I don’t have faith in the broader Australian community to see through this incompetent show-phony Kevin Rudd ...... I think best Libs can do is hold onto the senate.and reduce the seat deficit in the House of Reps.

      Heres hoping Rudd falls on his sword within the ALP and we can start getting this beautiful country back on track.

    • luke09 says:

      03:09pm | 10/05/10

      Might be time for Julia Gillard to make a move if she has aspirations to be the Prime Minister of Australia. She will be taking a big chance of not being PM if she waits until after the federal election.

      People are saying kevin10 never again. It is starting to look ugly for the ALP.

    • Barry says:

      03:34pm | 10/05/10

      I think Guillard should consider it as Rudd is on the nose with alot of people at least Guillard is proactive.

    • Helen says:

      05:47pm | 10/05/10

      Gillard is no better than Rudd.  They are all incompetent , clueless, amateurs.

      None of them deserve a second term. 

      Looks like the Grim Reaper is on the way -  there is a smell of death in the air.

    • Tony says:

      03:10pm | 10/05/10

      It is easy to win votes with a ‘no limit Aussie credit card’. Now that all the bank savings that Costello put there have gone AND we are in massive debt, let’s see how Mr Rudd and colleagues plan to pay it back. Argh - another tax, that should work. Like most labour governments thay have no idea on how to operate a financial system because they can’t plan ahead. All I hear is figures and stats about job creation. Jobs for insulation installers - fail, jobs for school enhancement projects - rort, illegal immigrants means more jobs in the detention centres I suppose - no idea - more admin jobs in a failing health system - while many of the jobs in the mining sector will be the first to go with the super tax. Plenty of talk and presence but unfortunately no substance. Can’t control the country if you can’t control your own spending. Mr Rudd has been a diplomat and politician for his whole life and does not know what it means to have to EARN his living. And if I hear him say ” I make no apologies for that” ever again, I will scream even louder.

      I can’t recall too many one term prime minsiters in my life but I hope this is one.

    • Diamantina Dick says:

      03:13pm | 10/05/10

      As Winston Churchill said; “the best argument against Democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter”. IMHO the only ones giving Rudd a pass don’t seem to understand what the Government is responsible for. Love the one about people with private health cover getting preferential treatment not being fair!

      It’s less than 3 years but “It’s Time”.

    • BobM says:

      04:47pm | 10/05/10

      I agree. Typical Gen Y - got no idea.

    • Martin G says:

      05:41pm | 10/05/10

      Gen Y are learning, like the Baby Boomers have done (I think!). Doesn’t mean they are stupid, just naive.

      Most of them grew up with a Coalition Government and didn’t know any better. Hopefully they are paying attention now - Labor = debt and taxes.

    • Richard says:

      03:19pm | 10/05/10

      The one thing the Punch poll shows is how much the Punch comment contributors are biased. Above is a good selection of comments, a range of scores and views. Then you read the comments and it’s 100% anti. I’m beginning to think the Liberals spend all day writing comments. They’re certainly not reflective of the public view which is about 50-50 on all polls in the past week.
      Anyway, your street poll may not be representative, but made for interesting reading. Thanks Punch team

    • josh says:

      05:41pm | 10/05/10

      um…. RIchard I beg to differ, I do not know one person in my work and private life that is in support of Rudd or, for that matter, Labour. That’s a good 40-50 people, and not one!

    • TrueOz says:

      06:28pm | 10/05/10

      I’m with Josh - no one that I know supports Rudd - even the few imbeciles of my acquaintance who voted for him last time around. And to all the people considering voting for the Greens please remember this - a vote for the Greens is a vote for Kevin Rudd (thanks to our ridiculous preferences system). I dislike much of what the Monk stands for, but he’ll be getting my vote. I care too much about the future of my children to risk another term of the Ruddtard.

    • Peter says:

      03:20pm | 10/05/10

      The media don’t like talking about it, but Rudd would have taken a massive hit with his tobacco tax… Hopefully a future Government will learn from this.. Fancy raising prices by 25% on the “i just don’t like it” factor… On top of that, he has been useless. I suspect he knew of the dangers of the insulation problems and took the risk that people wouldn’t die… Now, where I work, if I had such advise, i’d be finished…

    • Gazza says:

      03:46pm | 10/05/10

      no you would be in prison.

    • demeter says:

      03:30pm | 10/05/10

      I think people forget the damage Howard and Co. did to this great country. Rudd and his team are doing a great job and are still finding thier feet. They have safely steared Australia through tough economic tiem and continue to implement some great policy. Not all policy will work as in the case of the ETS ( stopped by the Libs), BER rip off by greedy builders, Insulation scheme ( dodgey contractors) but at least they have been push through for the good of Australia. Rudd is hardly a nothing man, as shown he does take the hard road with the stimulas package. When every body advised agaisnt the spending being afraid of the inflation monest Rudd took the hard road.

    • Diamantina Dick says:

      03:59pm | 10/05/10

      Sounds like Rudd-itis is spreading, all failures are somebody else’s fault and spraying money around to building secotor union mates is now elevated to being the hard road. I’d like some more of that Howard damage please, particularly to the deficit.

    • JAS says:

      04:09pm | 10/05/10

      But dementer - I seem to recall Kevin Rudd saying that the buck stops with him??? If those nasty Libs (and Greens) won’t pass the ETS given that Rudd himself said that climate change was “the greatest moral challenge of our lifetime” why not call a double dissolution election and pass it when both houses sit together?? He really is a complete joke

    • Juju says:

      04:38pm | 10/05/10

      Your name should be ‘demented’ not dementer. You have got to be kidding - Rudd is an incompetent idiot and the Labor party has to go ASAP!  An election *now* please….

    • Bruce says:

      09:16pm | 10/05/10

      Demeter: Your are fishing arn’t you ? Damage to Australia, oh !!  I know, we were richer, had bigger superannuation funds, higher share values, had a huge surplus, low unemployment, tough international reputation, yep, there the damaging things we miss. ETS was a dog policy as it turns out.  Hard road with stimulus package?  he just spent our money, nothing tricky or complicated about that. Thats the way most bad business going bankrupt try to solve their problems. BER !! all it took was a strong documented set of policy and proceedures to stop the crooks from spending our money. Now we are stuck with paying it all back !!

    • Mark says:

      09:20pm | 10/05/10

      Well.

      Errrr.

      I have soooo much opportunity here I don’t know where to begin. I mean wow.

      Lets just keep it simple (like the posters politics) a certain leader of the Labor party said no blame game politics. Perhaps you should take that advice demeter.

      Funny thing is you quote three sources of “problems” or obstructions but in each case thread the common thread was Labor party (mis)management. Seems that the problem might lie there don’t you think?

    • Marilyn Shepherd says:

      03:40pm | 10/05/10

      The problem is the childlike and infantile “reportage” we have to contend with.

      1.  Anyone would believe the insulation program was a dud, but Hawke actually said it was a great success with massive ongoing benefits to 1.1 milion families for decades to come.
      2.  One would think the Australian would get over the BER because the ANAO showed they have been making up yarns - the billions they claimed was wasted had not even been allocated or spent at the time they claimed it was being wasted.  The ANAO report showed initial resistance to flexibility but detailed over many dozens of pages how things evolved into a very successful program overall.  But none in our media bothered to read it, just read the Australian’s headlines and ran with them.

      3.  We didn’t need the child care centres as Kate Ellis and the child care bosses explained - the ABC centers were largely bought by non-profit organisations and had a 20-30% vacancy on any given day.  It would have been a waste of money as Kate described if only someone had taken her seriously.  For her youth she is a senior member of the government but is treated by the media like a silly little girl.
      4.  My daughter and grand-daughter have both given up smoking now because of the new tax making it too expensive.  My daughter was always broke because she was spending $100 per week on toxins.
      5.  The miners will not leave the country because tax is higher in most others and the ore is here.  They can’t dig up the holes and move them off-shore.
      6.  The ongoing stupid beat up about refugees arriving is a media led load of old cobblers.  Anyone has the right under the law of the land to arrive and ask for your help under the refugee convention, it is not now and nor has it ever been illegal, they are not taking anyone else’s place simply because those other “refugees” are not entitled by law to help in this country.  If they leave their camps without their protection being withdrawn by their host countries we will send them back.

      If you want real waste and spin try Iraq and Howards human shredder or AWB and that $300 million stolen from the Iraqis.

      Hawke states “there was no economic optimism at the time of the stimulous package, the banks would not lend, there was a threat of 10% unemployment”.

      But what do pathetic Australians do?  They whine while under Howard they would have got a milk shake tax cut while Howard still would have had to borrow billions to pay for the taxes lost through the massive unemployment rate.

      Your problem is people you are ignorant tossers.

      I don’t like Rudd much but you are just fools.

      Or perhaps you would prefer to be like Greece, Spain, Ireland, Iceland, Portugal, the US, the UK and many others in the world who are technically broke while we power on.

    • luke09 says:

      04:09pm | 10/05/10

      A very hypothectical comment regarding what might have happened under Howard. We will never know, Rudd was lucky he inherited a government with a surplus.

    • Brad Coward says:

      04:13pm | 10/05/10

      Today Punchers, Persephone appears to be unwell and her understudy Marilyn Shepherd will play her part in this afternoon’s matinee performance.

      Break a leg, Mazza !  No…I really do mean, break a leg !  Break both !

    • Peter Simmons says:

      04:24pm | 10/05/10

      You wouldn’t be a Labor voter,  would you, Marilyn?

      Why is everyone who disagrees with your hero referred to tossers by you?

      I know who the ignorant tosser here.  Perhaps you should quit as head of the KRudd fan club.s

    • Aitch B says:

      04:36pm | 10/05/10

      And just where do you get off calling anybody who has a negative opinion of Rudd and the Labor government an ‘ignorant tosser’, Marilyn??  Personal abuse based upon your own politcal leanings is pretty weak and shows you up as one yourself.

    • Diamantina Dick says:

      04:39pm | 10/05/10

      1.  Insulation :Benefits<Cost, human and otherwise
      2. BER: Value for money not in terms of reference, money claimed as stimulus not actually spent.
      3.Child care centres: If not needed, why promise them?
      4. Smoking, you are joking right?
      5. Mining, wake up and smell the java.
      6. Boats: solution created a problem that did not exist.
      Iraq: Rudd claimed Saddam had WMD’s “without doubt”
      AWB: Roadkill on Rudd’s way to the lodge, ask shareholders.
      Stimulus: Cuts to Payroll tax, stamp duty etc are stimulus too, not just directly into Labor voter pockets. No economic optimism helped by Rudd/Swann press conferences. Bank Guarantee freezes all non bank funds, great.
      I would prefer not to be like Greece, Spain, UK etc and make left wing government as short as possible.

    • Darryl Price says:

      04:39pm | 10/05/10

      Marilyn,
      You left off point 7. “Because I say so on a forum, it must be true”. What a litany of crap. I particularly enjoyed your reference to ’ the law of the land’ which ‘allows people to arrive unannounced’. How then we are able to detain them lawfully is beyond me. Perhaps you can expand. RJ Hawke says the home insulation scheme was a “massive success” so thats it then; no doubt some comfort to the families of at least four men, and 120 homeowners.
      Persephone, consort of Hades, where are you? Hurry up and rustle up some links in defence of Marilyn, she is presently self immolating.

    • Martin G says:

      05:36pm | 10/05/10

      1.  The insulation program resulted in 4 deaths, 120 house fires and the resultant backflip will see millions of dollars being spent on inspecting those houses, as well as seeing insulation employees out of work and their bosses out of business, since they have no-one to buy their oversupply of stock. Fantastic policy. A case study for future Australian students on ‘how to kill an industry’.

      2.  If you think accepting a rate of 20% surcharge on building costs as management fees (far above the recommended 6%), cost blowouts of more than 100%, and giving principals the complete opposite of what their school needs, is effective policy and spending of taxpayer dollars, you need your head checked.

      3.  You’re right - we didn’t need those childcare places at all. So why did Rudd promise a lie? A bit like the ETS, right?

      4.  You would be well aware of how addictive cigarettes are. If the Government really wanted to help smokers, they would be considering subsidising ways of quitting (patches, etc). Problem is, this does not bring revenue into the Government coffers. To think this policy is anything other than blatant revenue raising for a government addicted to spending, is naive.

      5.  You claim the tax is higher on mining companies is higher overseas. I have not seen any evidence to back this argument up. Surely you have seen the recent announcements of mining companies canceling mining exploration projects - it isn’t cost-effective anymore. This means less tax dollars, less jobs, and less superranuation for your average Aussie worker. Not to mention the Rudd Government lied to the mining companies about what they would do as a result of the Henry Tax Review anyway. The pitch of ‘super-profits tax’ and calling mining companies ‘greedy’, when they have been a major tax-base and arguably saw us through the GFC with the mining boom, is class-war tactics at their worst.

      6.  What is your solution, let everyone in? Your mistake is characterising them all as ‘refugees’ - many of these asylum seekers are not. Your so-called ‘beat-up’ is anything but, it is actually based on real figures of arrival numbers before and after the Rudd Government’s law changes. The former ‘white-elephant’ (thankyou Rudd) Christmas Island is now overflowing, costing the taxpayer millions of dollars unnecessarily.

      Calling myself and other forum contributors ‘ignorant tossers’ and ‘fools’ (I would expect better from a grandparent!) will not help get your points across.

      As for your last paragraph, if our government continues to accumulate debt at the rate it has over the last 2 years, we will not be too far behind the countries you mention.

      Be fair - Rudd Labor was virtually given a free-run from the Australian press for 2 years. With our PM now performing more backflips than a gymnast, I think the Australian people, as well as the press gallery, have every right to be concerned - quite the opposite of ‘ignorant tossers’.

    • gavin says:

      05:37pm | 10/05/10

      Have Persephone and Marilyn Shepherd ever been seen in the same room together?

    • Andrew says:

      05:59pm | 10/05/10

      Nice work Marilyn.
      When the hateful responses come in thick and fast it means you’ve hit a nerve with the ignorant tossers.

    • freeman says:

      07:08pm | 10/05/10

      Lovely rant marilyn!
      I know that “bigot” is a slur usually thrown around by lefties to describe right punchers. but I think your point of view qualifies as just that, let’s see what the dictionary says; A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices. The correct use of the term requires the elements of obstinacy, irrationality, and animosity toward those of differing opinion.
      I think you tick all the box’s, Marilyn! there’s no point trying to change your mind but we can all have a giggle at how worked up you get!

    • Razor says:

      07:33pm | 10/05/10

      All that verbage from Ms Sheperd and not one word on the collapse of support for the “greatest moral challenge of our generation”.

    • Persephone says:

      08:11pm | 10/05/10

      I’m back.  Have spent a lot of time in thought today.

      Still love the ALP but I am now backing Gillard with Ferguson as deputy.  They must be installed rapidly to a allow a few months before the election.

    • freeman says:

      08:30pm | 10/05/10

      ahhhh,
      I had to read your whole tirade again, marilyn. It was even better the second time!
      I love how you quote Hawke, Twice in fact! as if his opinion is worth anything. hey why don’t we just ask whitlam and howard and latham what they think coz they’ll give an impartial opinion!

    • Super D says:

      03:43pm | 10/05/10

      When John Howard was PM many people hated everything he stood for.  At least they were able to get a fix on what he stood for. With the current PM you might disagree with him and then find down the track he didn’t really believe in his own policies anyway.  You don’t know what he stands for from one moment to the next and even if he does something you like you have no way of knowing whether there is a u-turn coming. 

      This is Rudd’s fatal flaw, basically you can’t trust a single focus group driven statement that the man utters.

    • Jonno M says:

      03:42pm | 10/05/10

      All those people out there calling for Rudd to be more active need thier head read. Have a look at anything he has touched!!!  Its gone pear shaped or some one has died. We should give the bloke a pat on the back for doing bugger all a least he cant cock any thing up. Pay him his pension and move him on, Greg Combet or Guillard would be better and less worried about hurting people feelings,.

    • julia says:

      03:48pm | 10/05/10

      Persephone is very quiet.

      For anyone who says that governments don’t lose after one election should have a chat to Rob Borbidge.

      It’s exactly the same feeling out there - but on the left side of the spectrum.

      I also get the feeling that miners resent being the target of the new tax. Not for any other reason than their forefathers suffered terrible working conditions and pay for two centuries at least, finally there is a generation of miners doing well, and this government wants to rip it from them.

      I’d be pleased to see Krudd lose. I’d even run a book as to how long after he loses an election it would take him to resign from parliament. 5mins? 10?

    • Fran says:

      04:00pm | 10/05/10

      shes too busy, theres an budget to deliver, no time for blogging.

    • BobM says:

      04:41pm | 10/05/10

      She/he/it may have had a name change - check out Marilyn Shepherd above.

    • All says:

      04:54pm | 10/05/10

      I think Persephone (hollowman) is working under the alias of Marilyn Shepherd today when reading that hollowman blog.

    • Nicole says:

      05:27pm | 10/05/10

      Sorry, but Persephone doesn’t spit venom and throw insults, like the lovely Mazza. If your opinion differs from hers, you’re a F***ing moron or a tosser etc. Isn’t she just delightful.

    • Gerry says:

      06:55pm | 10/05/10

      The proposed tax is not tax on miners ... where did you get that from. Its a rejigging of the tax paid by MINING COMPANIES for digging up and selling a commodity that belongs to all AUSTRALIANS.

    • persephone says:

      08:03pm | 10/05/10

      Sorry, busy weekend, still catching up.

      And Nicole’s right, I don’t do abuse.

    • Luke says:

      03:53pm | 10/05/10

      The reason this country did so well during the economic downtown was mainly due to the great shape the country was left in and the regulations put in force for the banks by Howard and Costello before Rudd took over. Don’t believe everything Rudd tells you dementer. The stimulus now looks like it was well and truly over done and it’s also been reported on the week end in a Laurie Oaks interview (through the freedom of information act) with Swan on Sunday that he was advised to “talk up” the financial disaster that Australia was heading for. Obviously to make them look like hero’s. You are believing Rudd and Swans spin dementer, these guys are not to be trusted.

    • WayneT says:

      07:16pm | 10/05/10

      The last GFC wasn’t ever a crisis for Australia.  Our financial system wasn’t tied up with the sub prime basket case in the states as much as they were.  What will be a real test for this Government is if another genuine financial crisis hits this country.  Now that there is no money left in the kitty, how well will this Government steer us out of a real crisis?  They won’t be able to just spend their way out of it.  This is the problem with a party run by ex-workers and union heavies, who for years have attacked big business.  The same big business that generates jobs in this country.

    • Temerarious says:

      12:20pm | 11/05/10

      So true, WayneT. If the EuroZone crisis becomes a GFC Mark II, we are absolutely screwed. Rudd the Dud has spent all our savings, and taken us $140 billion into debt.

      I also wonder how tonight’s Budget has any credibility at all, when a sizeable part of its revenue relies on a new tax that hasn’t even become law yet and will face huge opposition from a swathe of people?

      Good one, Kev.

    • George says:

      04:18pm | 10/05/10

      Rudd and his government have done terrible things to our country. Australians are not stupid and will take no more of the government spin with no action. Mind you some of the things they wanted to do would have bankrupt business’s. Get ride of them the next election and we can quickly get on the path to putting things back on a healthy road for this great country!

    • gavin says:

      04:28pm | 10/05/10

      Th real looser here is peter costello. If he did’nt throw a tanti and quit he could have taken the libs to victory and became PM.
      He must be seething with rage watching rudd implode!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Kate says:

      04:35pm | 10/05/10

      Marilyn…..“Your problem is people you are ignorant tossers.”

      Gee that is mature…..“My daughter and grand-daughter have both given up smoking now because of the new tax making it too expensive.  My daughter was always broke because she was spending $100 per week on toxins.”

      Unless you were completely feral that would make 60 ish? Nobody at that age calls people “tossers”, especially a female.

      ALP professional blogger Marilyn??

    • Henrietta says:

      08:33am | 11/05/10

      That tossers comment sounded very British to me. I have never called anyone a tosser and I am in my 50’s. They would prolly get the Aussie term from me using the W word!! I am a disgruntled Labor voter but no name calling from me. I think its rather unwise to alienate people who may vote for the party you like, also its just not putting across a good argument

    • fred says:

      04:36pm | 10/05/10

      Abbott?
      NEVER!
      Lots of crafty, needling words but where are the policies? OH, back to Howard and Ruddock et al. Nothing visionary, little new. The yellow peril is back - in the misinformation advertisement alarming us about the (now) red hordes ( all 5 00 of them)  sailing south towards our beaches…a THREAT to our national security, no less!  Focus is on the boats and the business moguls behind the Indonesia to Australia transportation traffic, but little thought for the passengers on board who might, if only we saw their faces and heard their claims of persecution, touch our generous hearts. Rudd is disgraceful for reacting to the pugilist jibes and punches about asylum seekers who cannot be illegal, who indeed have international legal coverage for an escape journey to safety. But Rudd did have a vision in 07 which was inspiring, a vision of a fairer, safer, prosperous and humane Australia. Bottom line, at the ballot box, a battered, hesitant vote for Labor.

    • Razor says:

      07:36pm | 10/05/10

      ahhh fred, if the illegal entants aren’t illegal how come we are sending so many back?

      Time to withdraw from the UN Convention on Refugees.

    • Holly says:

      04:51pm | 10/05/10

      Marilyn Shepherd - thank goodness a voice of sanity and I could not agree with you more.  I have tried to get positive comments re the Rudd government published on the Australian site and it would appear they don’t like to publish them.  I have no particular issues with what Rudd has done - I am tired of hearing about backflips - and nothing of the benefits his government has brought to our country.  I am embarrasssed by the amount of whingeing - Australians you are acting like a bunch of spoilt children.  I agree with you about the Howard government cup of coffee tax breaks for most workers - I think I got a total of about $10.00 worth over all those years - hardly compensation for the GST - when higher income earners got hundreds of dollars.  Meanwhile our infrastructure crumbled during the Howard years.  The schools rebuilding program has been a success according to 95% of principals and school communities. What more are you asking.  At last we have a government which is prepared to do something about health.  How about the media puts the blame for the ETS debacle firmly where it belongs at the feet of Abbott and the coalition.

      Finally I am totally distressed by the totally untruthful and xenophobic “immigration” advertisements which are being pushed by the coalition and Abbott.  They will be internationally embarrassing for Australia.  What a mean spirited country we have a chance of becoming again.

    • Martin G says:

      05:48pm | 10/05/10

      See me comments above about Marilyn Shepherd’s rant.

      That 95% figure with the principals is an outright lie. The figure I have seen is 40%.

      If you like backflips so much, then go see a circus because that’s where they belong. They aren’t okay in the mind of anyone with their head screwed on right.

      I’m sorry you are distressed. This is very cliche but appropriate - have a bex and a good lie down.

    • Kim says:

      11:15am | 11/05/10

      Notice all the bloggers in support of Rudd talk about all the WONDERFUL things this government has done for Australia, but can’t name one. Interesting

    • Your name:H.A says:

      01:11pm | 13/05/10

      “How about the media puts the blame for the ETS debacle firmly where it belongs at the feet of Abbott and the coalition.”

      I didn’t realize Abbot and the Coalition were the sole reason Copenhagen failed.

    • Angus says:

      04:54pm | 10/05/10

      Although opposed to Rudd when he was elected i honestly believed that he was a smart person who may do good for the country. I also admit that his stimulus package did help get us through the GFC virtually unscathed. What I see now though, is a man who measures political action by how much money you spend. His policies are also very reactionary and lack any long term vision which is very worrying as I am 22 and am just beginning my adventure into the Australian economy. I think we will see some disquiet in the Labor party if they do manage to scrap through this election with a win.

    • Diamantina Dick says:

      05:29pm | 10/05/10

      Question for punchers: Is levying higher taxes on companys because a proportion of the profits go overseas Xenophobic?

    • Andrew says:

      06:01pm | 10/05/10

      Yes that would be xenophobic, but the super duper tax is levied to all miners, irrespective of where the profits go, so your question is irrelevant.

    • Mr Daggy says:

      06:13pm | 10/05/10

      From all the people who don’t like Tony Abbott, I have not heard one reasonable reason why? The fact he likes exercise and going to church can’t be that bad can they? Hey, I like exercising and going to church. Any sensible opposition keeps the bulk of details close to their chest until they launch their election campaign. It makes sense. You don’t want the government taking your ideas. The fact is Tony would make a very good Prime Minister, it’s just a bit daggy to say so at the moment.

    • fred says:

      07:28pm | 10/05/10

      Mr daggy, i think Abbott is a hypocrite whose going to church means nothing when it comes to compassion for refugees. As a learned, trained Christian theologian , he spreads fear of “the other” and not love as his Jesus commanded. If he’s ever at home around the kitchen table I hope his children quiz him closely on the morality of turning back boats carrying asylum seekers who in all probability are real refugees, no different in their claims to those he would agree take from refugee camps, but not very many.

    • Mr Daggy says:

      10:23am | 11/05/10

      It’s more a matter of how the Liberals see best to address the issue Fred. Of course we should treat refugees with compassion. Tony’s idea of compassion is not one that encourages thousands of people to risk life and limb traveling on sub standard boats to get here. Jesus commanded a tough and sometimes unpopular love. I’m not saying Jesus endorses one policy over the other but sometimes the best intentions have unwanted consequences.

    • Kate says:

      06:21pm | 10/05/10

      If there was not foreign capital, how do you think these mining companies would get funding????

      Swan, Rudd and Bowen are so dim it is frightening - not one of them has worked in the private sector yet they are responsible for an economy the size of Australia. Very, very scary.

    • TrueOz says:

      07:03pm | 10/05/10

      Right on Kate! Mining projects require many billions of dollars in long-term capital, and shareholders (having assumed the risks of funding) rightly expect a reasonable return on their investment. Of course, Wayne, Kevin, Julia, Greg and their communist mates have never been responsible for finding the capital to fund a business, nor have they ever assumed the substantial risks that go hand in hand with running an enterprise that has to make a profit in order to justify its existence. The sooner this team of air thieves is tossed from office, the better off every Australian will be.

    • Holly says:

      06:35pm | 10/05/10

      Martin G - so the auditor general has lied in his report regarding the schools project?  He is independent of the government.  The vast majority of asylum seekers are proved to be genuine refugees. 
      Mining shares have risen quite sharply today.  I wonder who bought all the shares the mum and dad shareholders were scared into selling off, and have now made a handsome profit in three days.

    • from the trenches says:

      07:01pm | 10/05/10

      This government took office with an enormous groundswell of public and electoral support. Given their overall poor perfomance I suggest that the public in general and Labor voters in particular have every reason to feel let down by this government. Granted symbolic issues were to the fore and greeted with accalim. However deliverables in terms of policy outcomes have been a little short. The GFC was tackled with a sound Keynsian response helped by ready cash, but a Plan B is missing. So called health reform is thus far a revised funding agreement (with most states) but again, yet to be seen deliverables; one wonders where all these trained medical professionals are to found? One would like to give Rudd the benefit of the doubt…...but jees is a hard ask!

    • Against the Man says:

      07:35pm | 10/05/10

      Rudd is a big disappointment to this nation, he shouldn’t have been given a chance to ruin our country. Vote Rudd out. Everytime he talks about ‘working families’ it makes me sick knowing this millionaire has no idea what the average working families has to deal with on a daily basis.

    • Jeff says:

      06:15pm | 11/05/10

      Working families, get the balance right, fiscal conservative, greatest moral challenge of all time etc. They’re all bugging the hell out of me.

    • Qlder says:

      08:13pm | 10/05/10

      I note that all the QLD places have QLD after them (except for Noosa - everyone loves Noosa darling) whereas we are expected to know most of the ones from NSW. Typical of Sydney centric media - no wonder we don’t trust Canberra with more control.

      As for Rudd I give him 1/10. 1 for thankfully failing to implement his bunch of vague election promises. He is all spin and stands for nothing.

    • Gary Cox says:

      08:18pm | 10/05/10

      Interesting that Rudd’s handling of the GFC was mentioned a lot. I think that its now obvious that it was more of an AFC (Atlantic Financial Crisis) and that Rudd’s so called handling of it was a massive over reaction which we will be paying for for year. Why else would interest rates have been going up while the ‘stimulus’ was still being rolled out? The two policies are working against each other. If I were the Libs I’d be pointing this out more, because the handling of the GFC perception seems to be the only thing propping Rudd up with the voters.

    • Angus says:

      10:58pm | 10/05/10

      I like how Kevin Rudd has managed to make the mining companies the bad guys. Their investment in the economy kept QLD fairly unscathed by the GFC and helped the rest of the nation pull though. They are being accused of exploiting Australian resources and now every unemployed bum and underachiever wants “their share” of mining profits. If you want to be part of the boom then buy shares, get a job in the mining industry or get involved some other way, we live in a capitalist society people are starting to forget that. Australians would cry foul if our companies got over taxed overseas, it’d no doubt be labelled “un-Australian” or “not giving a fair go” or some other trash.

    • Try Harder says:

      07:58am | 11/05/10

      Yeah well, the mining magnates made ‘emselves the bad guys.

      Lots of hysterical bull about commies and socialists, while making $megabillion profits.

      Mine our country boys -  and pay your way. Ta.

    • Try Harder says:

      08:26am | 11/05/10

      Come off it, G Cox. Oz interest rates were dropped to 30 year lows to play a big part in seeing off the debacle.

      G Cox has forgotten already that our finance system almost froze over for 3 months. And beyond banking as such, private investment funds were frozen, for a year or more in some cases. We had a narrow escape and its no good at all pretending we didn’t.

      It may suit the media to call a .25ppt move a “rate hike” but its the smallest effective move you can make. A careful succession of RBA moves have brought our rates back to where they were before the meltdown - normal,  if you like.  Neutral, the RBA would say. 

      At normal levels, rates are neither braking nor accelerating the economy. They’re neutral. Oh, and at normal levels, if there is another international wobble, we have room to move swiftly down again, if we need to.

      People with mortgages have had a grand chance this past 2 years to get well ahead on payments. If they did the smart thing - kept the level up - they’ll be feeling no pain at all.

      We’ve had a tax cut, a tax rebate, unemployment rates at really exemplary lows, and employment well back in growth. Result, revenue rising and unemployment outlays falling.  We’ve seen some pensioners at last given proper adjustment of pensions, though two whole groups were dudded. 

      We’ve had over a million homes insulated and a swathe of schools up graded, despite the worst efforts of a handful of shonks.

      And for icing on the cake, despite the bulldust from the “CO2 is fertiliser”  lobby, and despite a lacklustre Copenhagen, despite the backsliding and backstabbing of the Liberals, no less than 60% of us still want an ETS now, and most of us would pay for it if we had to.

      There’s a chorus of catcalls from a pack of professional whingers, led by sloppy media reporting and sloppy thinking. Whinge whinge whinge they go, but facts are facts.

      The government and the Prime Minister may not look all that handsome at the moment, but they’ve done well in hard times on the basics.  Now they need to try harder on the big picture.

    • ccdce says:

      12:15pm | 11/05/10

      Not one person I know supports a ETS TAX.
      Not one.
      Who would want a TAX on EVERYTHING - FOREVER?
      Do the bankers need more money?
      Do Goldman Sachs need to be given even more control over the our economy? This is nothing but globalist money spinning - something Rudd is very good at.

    • R Gray says:

      09:03am | 11/05/10

      When all the BS is removed from Rudd, they will be able to bury him in a matchbox!

    • Vic says:

      10:25am | 11/05/10

      Wrkchoices is why I will never vote for Abbott. I am not going backward, I prefer to go forward and my job is my familes bread and butter. Governements come and go but I will always need to work until I retire

    • cerr says:

      12:09pm | 11/05/10

      Rudd Labor doesn’t support ‘working families” it has created ‘working debt slaves”. This Labor govt was on the verge of taxing EVERY item in your life though the ETS tax scam and you think Labor cares about you? Workchoices is not Liberal policy and Labor has made an avalanche of mistakes and is destroying this country policy mess after policy mess. Labor does not deserve to be re elected - it has not governed it has been a shambolic mess.

    • Angie says:

      01:39pm | 11/05/10

      Hey Vic, you have been conned. Wake up. The Unions own you.

    • Andrew Rae says:

      12:26pm | 11/05/10

      Kevin07 - workchoices gone - it’s union heaven
      Kevin08 - lies and spin - he’s doing just great
      Kevin09 - economy declines - Kevin loses his spine
      Kevin10 - Mr Bungles stinks - lets have the Libs again

    • Ben G says:

      01:48pm | 11/05/10

      “And if I hear the term working families one more time we will have no radios left in the house because I will have smashed the last one.”
      AHAHAHA! That is perfect! I knew I wasn’t the only one sick of hearing that.

    • Against the Man says:

      05:05pm | 11/05/10

      Rudd is the king of spin aka mr. repeat the key catch phrase to show people he is pretending to care. I am sick of watching him on tv shows like sunrise where he tries to ‘connect’ with the people. ruddy just still to doing your day job.
      ps: stop dreaming abt that job in the UN.

    • Thomas Wertheim says:

      03:16pm | 14/05/10

      The Libs are wrong about Kev and the Labor party,he is doing a bloody good job for the working class

    • Thomas Wertheim says:

      03:21pm | 14/05/10

      The Libs are wrong about Kev and the Labor party,he is doing a bloody good job for the working class.WHAT BLOODY ERRORS

 

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